All these IB RNF's in the last day or so...

[Tasslehofp99]

Come on guys, we raided together for months during FE/Ib's alliance.

Truth: Before Getsome disrespected every member of FE by continually renegotiating the terms of our merger, we were all pretty close buds. :(


So you all have to realize how easy it is for former friends to see through your bullshit posts and see how mad/jelly you guys are, right? :(


Truth: You guys fucked up...and now you're paying the price for your pride. All this smear campaign is going to accomplish is embarrassment for you and your guildies. :(


Give it up while you're ahead.


Good luck in velious, IB. I hope that all the loot FE was gracious enough to share with you when you would show up with 1/5th of our raid forces numbers and refused to track anything continues to help you out moving forward. We treated you as equals, and let you have a fair shake on loot almost every single raid. You guys repaid us with disrespect and more or less backstabbed us when it mattered most, but I still consider many of you my friends. I only feel sorry for those of you without the guts to abandon the ones in your guild who've put you in the position to be unsuccessful.

[Pheer]

1/5th? wat.

One of the last repops before we stopped raiding together we had around 15+ more players at the raid than you guys did

[lilyanna]

Smoke some more Tass you know you always make more sense then.. oh wait.. no you dont

I know you well biggest bitch against TMO.. enjoy those pixels bro

[Cyrano]

Hey remember that time you made a guild to overthrow TMO and then joined them? Good times.

[Alarti0001]

Smoke some more Tass you know you always make more sense then.. oh wait.. no you dont

I know you well biggest bitch against TMO.. enjoy those pixels bro

Speak English.

[lilyanna]

Alarti given that my comprehension of English is better than yours.. pretty much /fail troll on your behalf :)

[Sajan]

[QUOTE=Tasslehofp99;1394449]:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :([QUOTE]

[Tasslehofp99]

1/5th? wat.

One of the last repops before we stopped raiding together we had around 15+ more players at the raid than you guys did


Cool, would you like to look at the comparison between numbers for the 6+ months we raided together before that? I assure you IB showed up with less than half the numbers FE had most times, including the first 3-4 months we raided together. During those months, we still let you guys have Donal's BPs and other nice loots, regardless of the fact that you all refused to track on top of your abysmally low numbers.


Hey remember that time you made a guild to overthrow TMO and then joined them? Good times.

Things change all the time.

[Zapatos]

Come on guys, we raided together for months during FE/Ib's alliance. You guys repaid us with disrespect and more or less backstabbed us when it mattered most

Actually, FE and TMO had discussed a merger about a month before it happened

Who backstabbed who again?

[captain]

These tears are delicious!
http://www.allfree-clipart.com/Smiley/yummy.png

[Vosooth316]

lol tasslehoff representing your guild...the perks of being TMO

[Pheer]

Cool, would you like to look at the comparison between numbers for the 6+ months we raided together before that? I assure you IB showed up with less than half the numbers FE had most times, including the first 3-4 months we raided together. During those months, we still let you guys have Donal's BPs and other nice loots, regardless of the fact that you all refused to track on top of your abysmally low numbers.

And then over time we got stronger and stronger while your guild's leadership continued to lean on the extra IB numbers like a crutch and forumquest against TMO members on the boards all day long instead of ensuring FE's future as a guild. You all praise your leadership for getting you into TMO but not a single one of you seems to care that your guild was literally run into the ground and forced to merge with somebody to survive.

[Rellapse40]

tmo tears

[Cyrano]

Cool, would you like to look at the comparison between numbers for the 6+ months we raided together before that? I assure you IB showed up with less than half the numbers FE had most times, including the first 3-4 months we raided together. During those months, we still let you guys have Donal's BPs and other nice loots, regardless of the fact that you all refused to track on top of your abysmally low numbers.




Things change all the time.

Yes, but values are supposed to remain consistent.

[Tasslehofp99]

Who backstabbed who again?

It was clear from the outset of any talks of merging that IB was set on strongarming FE into doing what was best for IB, and not FE/IB collectively. There was no negotiation in the sense that Getsome had his terms initially, and then kept changing them until eventually people in FE were unwilling to even share a tag with a "leader" such as him.

You and I both know that TMO isn't the same guild that WE battled together in VP under the same tag. We also both know that IB was a crippled guild in terms of raiding when they came back to P99. FE helped revive them, and also had no hard feelings when many longtime FE members jumped ship back to the IB tag. You guys couldn't even show us enough respect to have fair terms for a merger, or stick to your original proposals.

Stop making this about 1 line RNF quips when you know that theres a lot more to it than that.

[Cyrano]

It was clear from the outset of any talks of merging that IB was set on strongarming FE into doing what was best for IB, and not FE/IB collectively. There was no negotiation in the sense that Getsome had his terms initially, and then kept changing them until eventually people in FE were unwilling to even share a tag with a "leader" such as him.

You and I both know that TMO isn't the same guild that WE battled together in VP under the same tag. We also both know that IB was a crippled guild in terms of raiding when they came back to P99. FE helped revive them, and also had no hard feelings when many longtime FE members jumped ship back to the IB tag. You guys couldn't even show us enough respect to have fair terms for a merger, or stick to your original proposals.

Stop making this about 1 line RNF quips when you know that theres a lot more to it than that.

You took the exact same merger from TMO that we offered. 100% the exact same merger. Why is it disrespectful for us to decline co-leadership while giving you even officer count and full membership to all members but the same isn't true for TMO?

The simple truth is the FE leaders didn't deserve leadership of any raid guild and the fact that they aren't co-leader in TMO is further proof of this.

[Byrjun]

Cause fuck things like integrity and friendship, when you can bust open the loot pinatas with 70+ people.

The FE/IB merger terms were more than reasonable. Most guilds that absorb another guild would just expect them to immediate assimilate to their rules and culture. IB did a nice job of creating provisions to help the merger like the dual DKP/loot council system.

Let's cut the bullshit and be honest here, FE. In the end, it all came down to elf simulator pixels. It was straight up admitted to me by multiple friends in FE that when choosing between TMO and IB, the #1 factor was which guild would net the most Velious pixels.

Hypocrites.

Even if we lose some mobs, I'd rather kill Hoshkar with 30 than wipe to Nexona with 70. I've always been more motivated by challenge and competition than loot. Some people play solely for loot, and that's fine but, but let's be honest about it instead of blaming IB for some bullshit that never happened.

[Tasslehofp99]

Cause fuck things like integrity and friendship, when you can bust open the loot pinatas with 70+ people.

The FE/IB merger terms were more than reasonable. Most guilds that absorb another guild would just expect them to immediate assimilate to their rules and culture. IB did a nice job of creating provisions to help the merger like the dual DKP/loot council system.

Let's cut the bullshit and be honest here, FE. In the end, it all came down to elf simulator pixels. It was straight up admitted to me by multiple friends in FE that when choosing between TMO and IB, the #1 factor was which guild would net the most Velious pixels.

Hypocrites.

Even if we lose some mobs, I'd rather kill Hoshkar with 30 than wipe to Nexona with 70. I've always been more motivated by challenge and competition than loot. Some people play solely for loot, and that's fine but, but let's be honest about it instead of blaming IB for some bullshit that never happened.


This whole post is extremely hypocritical.

Weren't you in BDA?

[Tasslehofp99]

You took the exact same merger from TMO that we offered. 100% the exact same merger. Why is it disrespectful for us to decline co-leadership while giving you even officer count and full membership to all members but the same isn't true for TMO?

The simple truth is the FE leaders didn't deserve leadership of any raid guild and the fact that they aren't co-leader in TMO is further proof of this.

IB should've treated FE as equals in any merger discussions. Especially after we revived your crippled guild and dealt with splitting loots evenly with an uneven amount of effort/numbers put forth from IB. The only one officer IB that ever went above and beyond the call of duty to do anything for either guild was Hokushin, the rest are just figureheads with well known names.

I honestly have pity for most members of IB, after what has happened. Many of us are/have been friends for years. It's pretty sad that poor leadership by IB's officers forces their members to suffer in such a way as this.

Alas, the past is the past. Time for you guys to move on even though you must be pretty salty that FE didn't just roll over for your guild leader's disrespect.

[Pheer]

IB should've treated FE as equals in any merger discussions. Especially after we revived your crippled guild and dealt with splitting loots evenly with an uneven amount of effort/numbers put forth from IB. The only one officer IB that ever went above and beyond the call of duty to do anything for either guild was Hokushin, the rest are just figureheads with well known names.

I honestly have pity for most members of IB, after what has happened. Many of us are/have been friends for years. It's pretty sad that poor leadership by IB's officers forces their members to suffer in such a way as this.

Alas, the past is the past. Time for you guys to move on even though you must be pretty salty that FE didn't just roll over for your guild leader's disrespect.

poor leadership by IB? LOL

Your guild leader ran your tag into the ground and literally put you in a position where you could no longer exist as Forceful Entry anymore. And you're thankful to him for it.

[Senix]

IB should've treated FE as equals in any merger discussions. Especially after we revived your crippled guild and dealt with splitting loots evenly with an uneven amount of effort/numbers put forth from IB. The only one officer IB that ever went above and beyond the call of duty to do anything for either guild was Hokushin, the rest are just figureheads with well known names.

I honestly have pity for most members of IB, after what has happened. Many of us are/have been friends for years. It's pretty sad that poor leadership by IB's officers forces their members to suffer in such a way as this.

Alas, the past is the past. Time for you guys to move on even though you must be pretty salty that FE didn't just roll over for your guild leader's disrespect.

Why did you quote that post if you arent going to address it?

[sanforce]

Hey remember that time you made a guild to overthrow TMO and then joined them? Good times.

Isn't your Rogue in TMO?

[Byrjun]

This whole post is extremely hypocritical.

Weren't you in BDA?

Please explain what I said that was hypocritical. Or did you just use that word because I called FE hypocrites?

I was never in BDA. The only guild I was in prior to IB was The A-Team.

[Alarti0001]

And then over time we got stronger and stronger while your guild's leadership continued to lean on the extra IB numbers like a crutch and forumquest against TMO members on the boards all day long instead of ensuring FE's future as a guild. You all praise your leadership for getting you into TMO but not a single one of you seems to care that your guild was literally run into the ground and forced to merge with somebody to survive.

Says the guild who was run into the ground and forced to RMT and play on EQmac.

[Ravager]

Come on guys, we raided together for months during FE/Ib's alliance.

Truth: Before Getsome disrespected every member of FE by continually renegotiating the terms of our merger, we were all pretty close buds. :(


So you all have to realize how easy it is for former friends to see through your bullshit posts and see how mad/jelly you guys are, right? :(


Truth: You guys fucked up...and now you're paying the price for your pride. All this smear campaign is going to accomplish is embarrassment for you and your guildies. :(


Give it up while you're ahead.


Good luck in velious, IB. I hope that all the loot FE was gracious enough to share with you when you would show up with 1/5th of our raid forces numbers and refused to track anything continues to help you out moving forward. We treated you as equals, and let you have a fair shake on loot almost every single raid. You guys repaid us with disrespect and more or less backstabbed us when it mattered most, but I still consider many of you my friends. I only feel sorry for those of you without the guts to abandon the ones in your guild who've put you in the position to be unsuccessful.

As an outsider who thinks competition in a PvE game is stupid as hell, yet a minority of the population insists that it happens, I'm wondering why a merger with anyone was a necessity? What was wrong with 3 guilds competing when competition is what those three guilds claimed to want?

[Tasslehofp99]

poor leadership by IB? LOL

Your guild leader ran your tag into the ground and literally put you in a position where you could no longer exist as Forceful Entry anymore. And you're thankful to him for it.

Not really true, many of FE's people were feeling pretty abused by IB and getsome's disrespect. At that point we kind of enjoyed the thought of watching IB burn, after them betraying us. It's pretty obvious to see how mad you guys are (that we wouldn't bend over for you guys) with just one look at RNF today ;)

[Senix]

Why did you quote that post if you arent going to address it?

[Byrjun]

As an outsider who thinks competition in a PvE game is stupid as hell, yet a minority of the population insists that it happens, I'm wondering why a merger with anyone was a necessity? What was wrong with 3 guilds competing when competition is what those three guilds claimed to want?

FE has/had no leadership capable of competing in a class C environment. I do like a lot of FE members, but without leeching off IB or TMO leadership, they'd have to go to class R.

[Cyrano]

As an outsider who thinks competition in a PvE game is stupid as hell, yet a minority of the population insists that it happens, I'm wondering why a merger with anyone was a necessity? What was wrong with 3 guilds competing when competition is what those three guilds claimed to want?

That's a great question. Can a former FE member explain why 3 raid guilds wasn't possible?

[Tasslehofp99]

That's a great question. Can a former FE member explain why 3 raid guilds wasn't possible?

Any great competitor knows that they stand the greatest chance of success if they eliminate their greatest enemies, either by annihilation or by making those enemies their friends.

[Cyrano]

Says the guild who was run into the ground and forced to RMT and play on EQmac.

Remember that time ~400 of your accounts were suspended for RMT and your guild disbanded?

[Alarti0001]

That's a great question. Can a former FE member explain why 3 raid guilds wasn't possible?

It was already 2 raid guilds.

[Cyrano]

Any great competitor knows that they stand the greatest chance of success if they eliminate their greatest enemies, either by annihilation or by making those enemies their friends.

Lol so now FE was full of "great competitors"?

[lilyanna]

Tasselhof you are misinformed and don't know what you are talking about.. seriously you are just making yourself look like a dick now.

[Pint]

Someone should post the merger terms everyone keeps complaining about, ppl should also stop pretending like they are making decisions to encourage competition lol

[Alarti0001]

Remember that time ~400 of your accounts were suspended for RMT and your guild disbanded?

Nope. Try again.

[Cyrano]

Also, what happened here? (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118937) Looks like your lack of consistency and values has history Tass.

[Alarti0001]

Any great competitor knows that they stand the greatest chance of success if they eliminate their greatest enemies, either by annihilation or by making those enemies their friends.

Civ 5 Diplomacy victory.

[kenzar]

Can anyone explain why the merger offer from IB was disrespect and the same merger offer from TMO is ok?

[Cyrano]

Someone should post the merger terms everyone keeps complaining about, ppl should also stop pretending like they are making decisions to encourage competition lol

Here (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145720)

[Alarti0001]

Can anyone explain why the merger offer from IB was disrespect and the same merger offer from TMO is ok?

Because the IB offer changed.

[kenzar]

http://i.imgur.com/QgXbaJq.png

[Alarti0001]

http://i.imgur.com/QgXbaJq.png

Nothing could happen in 10 days!

[Pheer]

Not really true, many of FE's people were feeling pretty abused by IB and getsome's disrespect. At that point we kind of enjoyed the thought of watching IB burn, after them betraying us. It's pretty obvious to see how mad you guys are (that we wouldn't bend over for you guys) with just one look at RNF today ;)

Yep we're really burning man, we're just falling apart

Also lol at "us betraying you" as if a merger was a sure thing or something. Your guild leadership placed you in the position where you were forced to merge with someone but you think we're the ones who fucked you over. Everytime we raided with FE there would be 6 FE officers in vent yelling out conflicting calls until sloan tells everyone to shut the fuck up and do one specific thing. No wonder you guys are having so much miscommunication these days.

[sanforce]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=FkFmrqGrnmJOJM&tbnid=9WHPz5jLnuM9hM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmy.englishclub.com%2Fprofiles%2Fb logs%2Fsilent-of-tears&ei=EEo7U9PvFu322AXUo4DQBg&bvm=bv.63934634,d.dGI&psig=AFQjCNF_uS2_HRagVUE7r22RTOUAXYWIMQ&ust=1396480894046675

[kenzar]

Nothing could happen in 10 days!

Seeing as I was an officer at the time and privilege to all the negotiations. No.

[Tasslehofp99]

Also, what happened here? (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118937) Looks like your lack of consistency and values has history Tass.

Lack of consistency maybe, values are very much so intact though.


Many things have changed around p99 raid scene; I've just adapted to the new environment, new guilds, and new politics. Apparently I've adjusted well enough though as I'm fairly comfortable with how things are now, can you IB folks say the same?

If so, I don't know whats with all the salty mofos in RNF today showing everyone otherwise ;)

[sanforce]

http://api.ning.com/files/21tNO5FzXGvgGrwb2dF*qdhMLp-*nO8p-7aJWWU2gUUnzBnMBbJXj20Mvj89EK9sRhre2MVmnUb7lGKscUI m6KSw*WLC0Een/tears10.jpg

[sanforce]

how is this not working?! i need more tears~

[kenzar]

Lack of consistency maybe, values are very much so intact though.


Many things have changed around p99 raid scene; I've just adapted to the new environment, new guilds, and new politics. Apparently I've adjusted well enough though as I'm fairly comfortable with how things are now, can you IB folks say the same?

If so, I don't know whats with all the salty mofos in RNF today showing everyone otherwise ;)

It couldn't be April 1st could it..naw that's not it. lol

[sanforce]

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2014-02-26-cryingeye-thumb.jpg

[Tasslehofp99]

I just want to log in and play my new enchanter alt.


Fuck these unknown errors for reducing me to forumquesting in the meantime.

[sanforce]

http://media.focusonthefamily.com/blogmedia/images/jim-daly/tears2.jpg

[sanforce]

http://images.idiva.com/media/content/2010/Oct/the_healing_power_of_tears.jpg

[chief]

Can't wait until my semester at Devry is done , so I can fully immerse myself and put my online degree to good use.

[sanforce]

http://skyranch.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Crying-Baby1.jpg

now im on a roll

[Klik]

I'm gonna let you finish...
I know you guys like tears and all, buuuut
dolj(Lord Bob) had the best RnF memes of all time.

Okay you guys can continue

[Byrjun]

If so, I don't know whats with all the salty mofos in RNF today showing everyone otherwise ;)

Think really hard about what day today is and how it's different from other days.

[Cecily]

It's all a big joke! They don't really hate you... Right?

[Cyrano]

It's all a big joke! They don't really hate you... Right?

QFT

[Cyrano]

Lack of consistency maybe, values are very much so intact though.


Many things have changed around p99 raid scene; I've just adapted to the new environment, new guilds, and new politics. Apparently I've adjusted well enough though as I'm fairly comfortable with how things are now, can you IB folks say the same?

If so, I don't know whats with all the salty mofos in RNF today showing everyone otherwise ;)

So I guess your values are "place blame upon competing guilds and play the victim"? First it was TMO. Now it's IB. Who's next?

[Tasslehofp99]

If I wasn't just able to log on in-game, I would post that gif of Knowshon Moreno crying in response to Sanforce.


see yas

[Jarnauga]

So let's actually say that Getsome actually fucked Unbrella's mom while robbing Tasslehoff's sister and that made the alliance fell apart. Ok.

So why didn't FE and their glorious leaders that won all these VP fights couldn't just go their own way, and beat us all ?

:rolleyes:

[Lazie]

Who backstabbed who again?

IB. I mean lets be honest. For most of the raid history together FE had the most numbers and it was still equal depending on the time of day up and till the end. FE built your guild with their numbers to what you are now. Even doing that your leader thought it was fair to give no assurances to FE via a co-leader. If you want to point the finger at anyone for why the merge did no happen /tell to Getsome. He made TMO the more reasonable choice with the way he conducted himself.

[Lazie]

So let's actually say that Getsome actually fucked Unbrella's mom while robbing Tasslehoff's sister and that made the alliance fell apart. Ok.

So why didn't FE and their glorious leaders that won all these VP fights couldn't just go their own way, and beat us all ?

:rolleyes:

I think you misunderstand just how unreasonable and plain disrespectful Getsome was in those discussions. He can deny it to you guys, but for those of us that witnessed it it was shocking how he was even a GL of a guild with how he conducted himself. Again his choice and you have to respect a man's choices. But he turned an ally into an enemy with his attitude.

[Cyrano]

IB. I mean lets be honest. For most of the raid history together FE had the most numbers and it was still equal depending on the time of day up and till the end. FE built your guild with their numbers to what you are now. Even doing that your leader thought it was fair to give no assurances to FE via a co-leader. If you want to point the finger at anyone for why the merge did no happen /tell to Getsome. He made TMO the more reasonable choice with the way he conducted himself.

I'm happy with the merger working out the way it did.

[Alarti0001]

So let's actually say that Getsome actually fucked Unbrella's mom while robbing Tasslehoff's sister and that made the alliance fell apart. Ok.

So why didn't FE and their glorious leaders that won all these VP fights couldn't just go their own way, and beat us all ?

:rolleyes:

Why couldn't you let Doljon be their own raid guild?

[Xerxes]

Lack of raid leadership. I challenge any one of you shit talkers to do what hokushin raden sloan shinko zeelot chest etc did/do for their guilds. It takes a certain personality to sucessfully lead a competitive raid guild. Lots of no lifers here but very few raid leaders. You can be the best at your class but if you cant lead a raid and lead it effectively under pressure from other guilds you lose. 20 people or 70 people it doesn't matter if you dont have that person its over.

[Jarnauga]

Lack of raid leadership. I challenge any one of you shit talkers to do what hokushin raden sloan shinko zeelot chest etc did/do for their guilds. It takes a certain personality to sucessfully lead a competitive raid guild. Lots of no lifers here but very few raid leaders. You can be the best at your class but if you cant lead a raid and lead it effectively under pressure from other guilds you lose. 20 people or 70 people it doesn't matter if you dont have that person its over.

Oh thanks for speaking the truth Xerxes.

So now that we all agreed that basically FE had no leader, give me one reason why any member of FE should be co-leader of IB.

i also wanna know why no FE member is co-leader of TMO.

[Lazie]

Cause fuck things like integrity and friendship, when you can bust open the loot pinatas with 70+ people.

The FE/IB merger terms were more than reasonable. Most guilds that absorb another guild would just expect them to immediate assimilate to their rules and culture. IB did a nice job of creating provisions to help the merger like the dual DKP/loot council system.

Let's cut the bullshit and be honest here, FE. In the end, it all came down to elf simulator pixels. It was straight up admitted to me by multiple friends in FE that when choosing between TMO and IB, the #1 factor was which guild would net the most Velious pixels.

Hypocrites.

Even if we lose some mobs, I'd rather kill Hoshkar with 30 than wipe to Nexona with 70. I've always been more motivated by challenge and competition than loot. Some people play solely for loot, and that's fine but, but let's be honest about it instead of blaming IB for some bullshit that never happened.

That's the thing IB expected us to just accept being absorbed and accept unreasonable terms. We were half of the raid force and most of the DPS at raids (Which has shown vibrantly true since the split). Getsome thought they were stronger than they were and assumed they would dictate terms to FE until they accepted. There was very little respect being shown and an ultimatum basically "that is happens this way or we stop raiding together".

He made the other options we had more admirable with his attitude. IB was in no position to demand terms to FE and "absorb" FE because we knew our options. We told him our options and he remained unreasonable. FE was not under pressure to be absorbed by IB instead of having equal footing. We actually wanted the merge to happen. Getsome set terms and had an attitude that wasn't respectful to anyone but himself. He made TMO the more appealing option by trying to strong arm FE into being absorbed without any of our concessions being met. If we wanted that we had other options stronger than IB.

BTW to all IB members who do not know this. During the last discussion FE had with Getsome about these concerns and stipulations of the merge...It was presented to him that he could even choose which FE officer would be co-leader... He said "IB will be raiding alone from this point forward" without even considering it. Your guild leader stopped all discussions at that moment. It was FE who stopped trying to negotiate.

[Lazie]

That's the thing IB expected us to just accept being absorbed and accept unreasonable terms. We were half of the raid force and most of the DPS at raids (Which has shown vibrantly true since the split). Getsome thought they were stronger than they were and assumed they would dictate terms to FE until they accepted. There was very little respect being shown and an ultimatum basically "that is happens this way or we stop raiding together".

He made the other options we had more admirable with his attitude. IB was in no position to demand terms to FE and "absorb" FE because we knew our options. We told him our options and he remained unreasonable. FE was not under pressure to be absorbed by IB instead of having equal footing. We actually wanted the merge to happen. Getsome set terms and had an attitude that wasn't respectful to anyone but himself. He made TMO the more appealing option by trying to strong arm FE into being absorbed without any of our concessions being met. If we wanted that we had other options stronger than IB.

BTW to all IB members who do not know this. During the last discussion FE had with Getsome about these concerns and stipulations of the merge...It was presented to him that he could even choose which FE officer would be co-leader... He said "IB will be raiding alone from this point forward" without even considering it. Your guild leader stopped all discussions at that moment. It wasn't FE who stopped trying to negotiate.

Fixed

[Pheer]

That's the thing IB expected us to just accept being absorbed and accept unreasonable terms. We were half of the raid force and most of the DPS at raids (Which has shown vibrantly true since the split). Getsome thought they were stronger than they were and assumed they would dictate terms to FE until they accepted. There was very little respect being shown and an ultimatum basically "that is happens this way or we stop raiding together".

Been show vibrantly true? We've killed Hoshkar with 30 and you struggle on him with 55+.

He made the other options we had more admirable with his attitude. IB was in no position to demand terms to FE and "absorb" FE because we knew our options. We told him our options and he remained unreasonable. FE was not under pressure to be absorbed by IB instead of having equal footing. We actually wanted the merge to happen. Getsome set terms and had an attitude that wasn't respectful to anyone but himself. He made TMO the more appealing option by trying to strong arm FE into being absorbed without any of our concessions being met. If we wanted that we had other options stronger than IB.

And still you don't address the fact that none of your options were "existing as a guild" you keep dodging the issue that you were forced to merge with someone else. Youve convinced yourselves you were in some kind of allstar freeagent situation where you could dictate your contract when in reality TMO never would've even gone for a merge with you guys if they knew FE wouldnt be merging with IB otherwise.

BTW to all IB members who do not know this. During the last discussion FE had with Getsome about these concerns and stipulations of the merge...It was presented to him that he could even choose which FE officer would be co-leader... He said "IB will be raiding alone from this point forward" without even considering it. Your guild leader stopped all discussions at that moment. It was FE who stopped trying to negotiate.

Literally everyone in IB knows this, but keep thinking theres some kind of coverup by Getsome.

BTW to all TMO members who dont know this, we regularly use Lazie's posts on your guild recruitment thread to get exact timers on mobs if we were too lazy to take note of it since he bumps your thread immediately every time a mob dies.

[Jarnauga]

http://i.imgur.com/0RCaOj2.png

Refused because no way we would have Unbrella as co-leader. I mean we're talking about Unbrella, the guy that trained his own guild on a unguilded monk to make belive it was TMO training them, LAL. or pretty much anyone from FE because:

Lack of raid leadership. I challenge any one of you shit talkers to do what hokushin raden sloan shinko zeelot chest etc did/do for their guilds. It takes a certain personality to sucessfully lead a competitive raid guild. Lots of no lifers here but very few raid leaders. You can be the best at your class but if you cant lead a raid and lead it effectively under pressure from other guilds you lose. 20 people or 70 people it doesn't matter if you dont have that person its over.

But TMO (see my signature's links for an update on the history of mutual respect and friendship between FE and TMO) was a better option because.. well because. Unbrella said it was. There. They never were that terrible. Alarti is just a tender heart, and Tiggles ? i always thought he was funny ! And co-leadership is over rated. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Eurasia/TMO has never been the enemy, Estasia/IB always has been !

:rolleyes:

[Byrjun]

IB. I mean lets be honest. Your leader thought it was fair to give no assurances to FE via a co-leader. If you want to point the finger at anyone for why the merge did no happen /tell to Getsome.

Laughable that you preface that with "let's be honest." Where is FE's co-leader within TMO? Oh that's right, you didn't get one.

So be honest yourself. This was 100% about loot, not integrity, or disrespect, or any of that bullshit. You picked TMO over IB for one reason: loot, and then tried to spin the decision on the forums. It's pretty hard to be dishonest about this when I've spoken to multiple people who said that FE decided to merge with TMO because they'd have more numbers and a better chance to kill Velious mobs.

[captain]

Why the fuck would IB agree to letting any leadership from FE become officers, when they let dumb shit happen. Like letting a monk loot a shroud? Hows that + mana going for you buddy? Please spin that one for me.

[sanforce]

http://images.gizmag.com/gallery_lrg/chemicals-1.jpg

[Lazie]

Been show vibrantly true? We've killed Hoshkar with 30 and you struggle on him with 55+.



And still you don't address the fact that none of your options were "existing as a guild" you keep dodging the issue that you were forced to merge with someone else. Youve convinced yourselves you were in some kind of allstar freeagent situation where you could dictate your contract when in reality TMO never would've even gone for a merge with you guys if they knew FE wouldnt be merging with IB otherwise.



Literally everyone in IB knows this, but keep thinking theres some kind of coverup by Getsome.

BTW to all TMO members who dont know this, we regularly use Lazie's posts on your guild recruitment thread to get exact timers on mobs if we were too lazy to take note of it since he bumps your thread immediately every time a mob dies.


When have we struggled with Hoshkar ? We had a complete desync on him when you guys camped out during an engage. The rest of the time we have engaged Hosh we killed him with minimal losses. You guys still struggle to get dps to login to kill the dragons you pull.

This is literally the truth.. There was more respect from TMO leadership shown than from Getsome. From the first conversations they were the more reasonable and even minded people that discussed things with our leadership. It makes a difference. Respect goes a long way. IB has some great players so don't take what I say as disrespect. But if it comes to being absorbed it is the weaker option overall especially when the leadership is giving literally zero respect during discussion or concessions to make things easier for everyone to accept. Simple answer for merging Velious is on the horizon our goal was always to form the strongest guild we could.

When IB slammed the door via Getsome thinking we had to accept his terms or else and we wouldn't and he basically quit discussions because of his stubborness. It made the decision easy. People in our guild let go of their grudges to do what was best for everyone going forward. They were reasonable even though it was hard for a few of the members to let go of some things. It's saying a lot when those same members were unwilling to except IB's, terms but would work with TMO.

[kenzar]

more desync than wipe

[Jarnauga]

When have we struggled with Hoshkar ? We had a complete desync on him when you guys camped out during an engage. The rest of the time we have engaged Hosh we killed him with minimal losses. You guys still struggle to get dps to login to kill the dragons you pull.

This is literally the truth.. There was more respect from TMO leadership shown than from Getsome. From the first conversations they were the more reasonable and even minded people that discussed things with our leadership. It makes a difference. Respect goes a long way. IB has some great players so don't take what I say as disrespect. But if it comes to being absorbed it is the weaker option overall especially when the leadership is giving literally zero respect during discussion or concessions to make things easier for everyone to accept. Simple answer for merging Velious is on the horizon our goal was always to form the strongest guild we could.

When IB slammed the door via Getsome thinking we had to accept his terms or else and we wouldn't and he basically quit discussions because of his stubborness. It made the decision easy. People in our guild let go of their grudges to do what was best for everyone going forward. They were reasonable even though it was hard for a few of the members to let go of some things. It's saying a lot when those same members were unwilling to except IB's, terms but would work with TMO.

But why not co-leader of TMO though ?

[Alarti0001]

http://i.imgur.com/0RCaOj2.png

Refused because no way we would have Unbrella as co-leader. I mean we're talking about Unbrella, the guy that trained his own guild on a unguilded monk to make belive it was TMO training them, LAL. or pretty much anyone from FE because:





LOL IB on a high horse? You mean like (officer) Perun using SEQ getting suspended and taken back.
Or Daliant RMT, or Kinsawt and a large portion of your guild RMTing with a staff member.
Oh wait.... gmVirtuosos soulfire heal/recharging on raids, gmCyrius suspending people at his camps gmXzerion using the dev environment to give IB a leg up prior to VP instead of "developing".

Please tell me more about your ethics.

[kenzar]

But why not co-leader of TMO though ?

[Alarti0001]

Derp

Because FE didn't have an active element in creating TMO. FE did have a large part of creating IB and without FE, Ib likely wouldn't have any ground to stand on right now.

[kenzar]

But why not co-leader of TMO though ?

[Lazie]

http://i.imgur.com/0RCaOj2.png

Refused because no way we would have Unbrella as co-leader. I mean we're talking about Unbrella, the guy that trained his own guild on a unguilded monk to make belive it was TMO training them, LAL. or pretty much anyone from FE because:



But TMO (see my signature's links for an update on the history of mutual respect and friendship between FE and TMO) was a better option because.. well because. Unbrella said it was. There. They never were that terrible. Alarti is just a tender heart, and Tiggles ? i always thought he was funny ! And co-leadership is over rated. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Eurasia/TMO has never been the enemy, Estasia/IB always has been !

:rolleyes:

BS Unbrella said to Getsome in Vent chat he could choose the co-leader from our officer core. That is all I will add to this to finish. IB while you have great players were in no position to force FE to do anything. We knew that. Getsome didn't. We asked for terms to make it equal and were told raiding together was finished. We sought out another option. Best of luck to IB I hold no grudges with you guys. Just telling the truth here.

[Hitpoint]

It's pretty hard to be dishonest about this when I've spoken to multiple people who said that FE decided to merge with TMO because they'd have more numbers and a better chance to kill Velious mobs.

This is true. But it's too simplistic to say we joined TMO for loot. We would have had the same advantaged with IB. We all wanted the merger with IB to happen, but was taken off the table.

I don't follow the logic of some of you. We lost our raid leader. And a week later you think it's okay to take complete advantage of your raiding allies at the negotiating table? What about the months before that? I'm not going to go through and quote people, but I've seen it stated that both guilds were on even footing until Sloan left. You think that makes it fair to try to force uneven terms?

[Hitpoint]

Because TMO had more to offer. Period.

We expected even terms from IB because we were on even footing. There wasn't that expectation when negotiating with tmo. And we were fine with it.

[Hitpoint]

But why not co-leader of TMO though ?

I meant to quote this for my second paragraph.

[Cecily]

So our merger was kind of a revenge fuck then? That's cool, I get it.

[Jarnauga]

LOL IB on a high horse? You mean like (officer) Perun using SEQ getting suspended and taken back.
Or Daliant RMT, or Kinsawt and a large portion of your guild RMTing with a staff member.
Oh wait.... gmVirtuosos soulfire heal/recharging on raids, gmCyrius suspending people at his camps gmXzerion using the dev environment to give IB a leg up prior to VP instead of "developing".

Please tell me more about your ethics.

Can't stay on topic, trying to divert on something else ? :rolleyes:

[Lazie]

So our merger was kind of a revenge fuck then? That's cool, I get it.

No in the terms Getsome was trying to set and being unreasonable and leaving the talks.. He made the next option a no brainer. If we are basically getting absorbed to build the strongest guild. One that has been respectful and stronger overall is the clear choice.

[Glenzig]

So being in a guild in this game is pretty much exactly like being in high school. That's pretty much what I'm getting from this garbage. A lot of people arguing about who did/said what to their best friends cousin, and giving each other internet swirlies. Way to look mature guys.

[Byrjun]

That's the thing IB expected us to just accept being absorbed and accept unreasonable terms.

The same exact unreasonable terms that TMO gave you, which suddenly became reasonable. 'Cause 70 man zerg raids and loot and shit, hell yea.

http://letschickchat.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Denial.jpg

[Cyrano]

Laughable that you preface that with "let's be honest." Where is FE's co-leader within TMO? Oh that's right, you didn't get one.

So be honest yourself. This was 100% about loot, not integrity, or disrespect, or any of that bullshit. You picked TMO over IB for one reason: loot, and then tried to spin the decision on the forums. It's pretty hard to be dishonest about this when I've spoken to multiple people who said that FE decided to merge with TMO because they'd have more numbers and a better chance to kill Velious mobs.

Realistically they did it out of spite because we wouldn't accept a FE co-leader or name change. When IB and FE were raiding we got the majority of the raid mobs.

[Byrjun]

Yea, and we're still waiting on The Mystical Entry with co-leader Unbrella.

Gonna be waiting awhile, I think.

[Cyrano]

BS Unbrella said to Getsome in Vent chat he could choose the co-leader from our officer core. That is all I will add to this to finish. IB while you have great players were in no position to force FE to do anything. We knew that. Getsome didn't. We asked for terms to make it equal and were told raiding together was finished. We sought out another option. Best of luck to IB I hold no grudges with you guys. Just telling the truth here.

No one in FE was a strong enough leader to be considered as a co-leader. I don't understand how this is confusing. That was the deal breaker, it was made clear that Getsome would be the sole leader if a merger were to occur yet you guys pushed under some "fairness" clause you made up. You guys say he was rude but how many times can he say "No we will not change guild names and no we will not accept a co-leader" before it becomes beating a dead horse?

You have some fanciful idea of how this merger went down. Final terms were offered, you guys wanted to negotiate for non-negotiable terms. He wasn't being stubborn, he wasn't being a dick. You guys didn't accept the terms so he walked away from the deal.

There was no forcing FE to do anything, stop acting like big, bad IB was pushing the innocent FE membership around. There was a bottom line and it was not acceptable to you guys which is totally fine. What is questionable is the way FE quickly joined TMO under the EXACT same merger stipulations while vilifying IB. Your guild identity became that of victims. First is TMO being horrible cheaters, and blah blah blah. Now it's IB.

At the end of the day stop making this about some issue of morals or us "forcing" you guys into a situation, this was all about spiting IB because you collectively felt wronged by our terms for the merger. You felt so scorned that you were willing to join your greatest competitor - the guild FE was supposedly created to topple - and sell out in the process.

[Cyrano]

No in the terms Getsome was trying to set and being unreasonable and leaving the talks.. He made the next option a no brainer. If we are basically getting absorbed to build the strongest guild. One that has been respectful and stronger overall is the clear choice.

You guys had years of TMO being disrespectful to FE. Why not grow a pair and stand on your own two feet instead of riding the coat tails of others?

[Cyrano]

This is true. But it's too simplistic to say we joined TMO for loot. We would have had the same advantaged with IB. We all wanted the merger with IB to happen, but was taken off the table.

I don't follow the logic of some of you. We lost our raid leader. And a week later you think it's okay to take complete advantage of your raiding allies at the negotiating table? What about the months before that? I'm not going to go through and quote people, but I've seen it stated that both guilds were on even footing until Sloan left. You think that makes it fair to try to force uneven terms?

Sloan would have been an acceptable co-leader and I think Getsome and the rest of IB would have accepted those terms so long as we merged under the IB tag. There's a difference between attempting to take advantage of you guys and realizing that partnering with a guild led by Unbrella & Co was a bad situation.

[Cyrano]

Because TMO had more to offer. Period.

We expected even terms from IB because we were on even footing. There wasn't that expectation when negotiating with tmo. And we were fine with it.

At least you admit you sold out unlike Tasslehoff and Lazie.

[Tasslehofp99]

triple posts!

why are you so concerned Cyrano?

[doraf]

Can anyone explain why the merger offer from IB was disrespect and the same merger offer from TMO is ok?

I could go on and on, but the main reason we went to TMO was that about 1/3 of our members absolutely refused to join IB even before Getsome came into vent and told everyone that the only reason he is talking to us is because his member would not let up. Basically, TMO offered a friendly raid atmosphere where people actually play the game to have fun.

Pixels were never a concern. Maintaining the core and having a home for all of our members including ones with limited play time was.

[Lazie]

No one in FE was a strong enough leader to be considered as a co-leader. I don't understand how this is confusing. That was the deal breaker, it was made clear that Getsome would be the sole leader if a merger were to occur yet you guys pushed under some "fairness" clause you made up. You guys say he was rude but how many times can he say "No we will not change guild names and no we will not accept a co-leader" before it becomes beating a dead horse?

You have some fanciful idea of how this merger went down. Final terms were offered, you guys wanted to negotiate for non-negotiable terms. He wasn't being stubborn, he wasn't being a dick. You guys didn't accept the terms so he walked away from the deal.

There was no forcing FE to do anything, stop acting like big, bad IB was pushing the innocent FE membership around. There was a bottom line and it was not acceptable to you guys which is totally fine. What is questionable is the way FE quickly joined TMO under the EXACT same merger stipulations while vilifying IB. Your guild identity became that of victims. First is TMO being horrible cheaters, and blah blah blah. Now it's IB.

At the end of the day stop making this about some issue of morals or us "forcing" you guys into a situation, this was all about spiting IB because you collectively felt wronged by our terms for the merger. You felt so scorned that you were willing to join your greatest competitor - the guild FE was supposedly created to topple - and sell out in the process.

Telling lies then believing them yourself is just sad. No one mentioned morals. We mentioned options and what carried more weight. Getsome overvalued himself and IB thinking he could force people into just accepting terms. Much like your attitude "you guys wanted to negotiate for non-negotiable terms" after saying you had the power to set the final terms (Which you guys never had a strong enough standing to do) is what killed the merger. There was absolutely no willingness to make the terms agreeable. So to us it seemed "Be absorbed or else". For that there was a stronger option out there.

[Hitpoint]

Sloan would have been an acceptable co-leader and I think Getsome and the rest of IB would have accepted those terms so long as we merged under the IB tag. There's a difference between attempting to take advantage of you guys and realizing that partnering with a guild led by Unbrella & Co was a bad situation.

Way back then, I remember talking to an IB person and asking if it would be acceptable if Getsome could be sole leader with the stipulation that if/when Sloan ever came back he could have Co-leader. I was told that was out of the question. This was when negotiations were just starting to deteriorate, but before TMO was being talked to seriously. I thought that was a reasonable compromise. Unbrella didn't even want co-guild leader for himself. We just wanted the leadership to be shared in some way.

There were three things that were even up for negotiation. Loot system, guild name, and guild leadership. You guys wouldn't budge on the first two. We just wanted you to meet us halfway on something. If our leaders were unacceptable. Why couldn't we compromise on a guild name?

[Splorf22]

So why did Sloan leave FE?

[Hitpoint]

So why did Sloan leave FE?

He's still in FE.

[Funkutron5000]

Sloan moved halfway across the country for a job and as such has been online for about 15 mins total since the beginning of February or so.

[getsome]

sloan was on all day yesterday.

[sulpher01]

How can anyone talk shit after merging with dolj?

[Ella`Ella]

No one in FE was a strong enough leader to be considered as a co-leader. I don't understand how this is confusing. That was the deal breaker, it was made clear that Getsome would be the sole leader if a merger were to occur yet you guys pushed under some "fairness" clause you made up. You guys say he was rude but how many times can he say "No we will not change guild names and no we will not accept a co-leader" before it becomes beating a dead horse?

You have some fanciful idea of how this merger went down. Final terms were offered, you guys wanted to negotiate for non-negotiable terms. He wasn't being stubborn, he wasn't being a dick. You guys didn't accept the terms so he walked away from the deal.

There was no forcing FE to do anything, stop acting like big, bad IB was pushing the innocent FE membership around. There was a bottom line and it was not acceptable to you guys which is totally fine. What is questionable is the way FE quickly joined TMO under the EXACT same merger stipulations while vilifying IB. Your guild identity became that of victims. First is TMO being horrible cheaters, and blah blah blah. Now it's IB.

At the end of the day stop making this about some issue of morals or us "forcing" you guys into a situation, this was all about spiting IB because you collectively felt wronged by our terms for the merger. You felt so scorned that you were willing to join your greatest competitor - the guild FE was supposedly created to topple - and sell out in the process.


Couple clarifications for the delusional...

FE did consider going on our own. Structural leadership was never a problem, raid leadership was once Sloan left (He moved across the country and took a full-time job, Splorf).

Actually, Getsome was willing to compromise on co-leader during our last negotiation, but by that time I had little interest in merging with IB, so I made the last clause of changing the name a non-negotiable deal breaker and I walked from the deal, not the other way around.

Getsome and I get along fine, we just don't see eye to eye on certain issues like guild mergers or training juggs over water.

I think an example of poor leadership would have been to accept any deal without knowing what all your options are. I would have been remiss to have not sought TMO as an option.

You ask why I'm not co-leader, or any other FE officer for that matter in TMO - I didn't ask. I didn't think it was necessary. In fact, TMO didn't make any terms. I told them exactly what I wanted for our members and they agreed with no amendments.

Originally, I thought that our members would be happiest with IB, however there was a lot more discontent than I thought when that merger was on the horizon. TMO had an overwhelming amount of support over IB, which guided our decision.

Yes, it is about pixels because that's why most of our members play. Pixels don't really interest me personally.

I didn't train my own guild to make them think it was TMO, derp. I trained TMO and FE happened to be down there as well. All in all, I died either way and we still got the VS - I'd call it a win/win. Also, Goodies down-leveled in the ordeal which was early restitution for her later stealing a Hand of the Maestro from FE and refusing to return it. Apparently, she did the exact same thing when she was leader of Acryd. IB - be wary letting her hold onto no-drops, she has a reputation as a repeat offender at this point.

[getsome]

The terms offered to FE by IB never changed. They were posted in writing to their guild, what you see in http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145720 were my words and never changed.

I put forth the best terms IB was willing to offer. I viewed the leadership of FE as dysfunctional at times and the feedback from all the ex FE who were in IB supported this sentiment. You call my unwillingness to negotiate a lack of respect, I feel I was looking out for the best interests of everyone involved. Unbrella has been involved in the RMT side of P99 for quite some time and I felt making him a co leader of any entity I was involved in would be a bad decision. If the folks from TMO want a to keep a clean whistle you may want to look more closely at who you just made an officer in your guild.

[Rellapse40]

obv Tmo does not care about their whistle look at the ban wave a couple times ago. LULZ

IB kept their integrity

FE never had any
Tmo still wipes with 70 people to 32k hp mobs

[Ella`Ella]

Says the guy who helped Kinsawt make off with the largest RMT sell off of a guild bank.

[Rellapse40]

Getsome still has 100% of the guild bank

Xzerion was the one who sold off his half of the guild bank learn your history fgt

or dont and keep making yourself look retarded

[Ella`Ella]

Getsome still has 100% of the guild bank

Xzerion was the one who sold off his half of the guild bank learn your history fgt

or dont and keep making yourself look retarded

So, you're saying the leader of your guild, or I guess heir apparent at that point, had no idea what was happening within his own guild?

[Rellapse40]

Prob not he has just moved to a 3rd world country

[Pheer]

looks like getsome struck a nerve, unbrella going super rage mode right now

[Lazie]

The terms offered to FE by IB never changed. They were posted in writing to their guild, what you see in http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145720 were my words and never changed.

I put forth the best terms IB was willing to offer. I viewed the leadership of FE as dysfunctional at times and the feedback from all the ex FE who were in IB supported this sentiment. You call my unwillingness to negotiate a lack of respect, I feel I was looking out for the best interests of everyone involved. Unbrella has been involved in the RMT side of P99 for quite some time and I felt making him a co leader of any entity I was involved in would be a bad decision. If the folks from TMO want a to keep a clean whistle you may want to look more closely at who you just made an officer in your guild.

Except you continuously leave out the fact that it was offered to you to choose one if Unbrella wasn't good for you. I mean your attitude in your post about terms is exactly what the problem was.. You seem to value yourself over everyone else instead of taking in the bigger picture and seeing what would be a better situation for yourself and everyone involved.

Shocker that ex members of a guild would talk poorly about their former leadership. That like never happens ever in EQ. A bigger shocker that you bring up RMT with the past history of IB (This was a big worry for a few about joining IB btw). We weren't assured the guild wouldn't just quit again at any point and leave the server again. There needed to be a co-leader to be there to ensure the guild wouldn't just collapse again when you guys decided you were through. The whole history of IB on the server showed these worries to have merit.

[kenzar]

looks like getsome struck a nerve, unbrella going super rage mode right now

[Loke]

Holy shit. I like a lot of you guys, but most of you are spouting off some retarded shit.

I'm joining <Dangerous Glitch>.

[Loke]

Also Lazie, you joined FE like last week and half the posts on this thread are from you. Chill man.

[Ungriim]

Rofl I was about to say the same thing Loke! That dude joined like during the joint raid era and wiped the raid twice in 15 minutes via trains at the Nexona engage spot

[Lazie]

Also Lazie, you joined FE like last week and half the posts on this thread are from you. Chill man.

More lies I joined FE in December.

[Pheer]

More lies I joined FE in December.

rofl

[Rellapse40]

Except you continuously leave out the fact that it was offered to you to choose one if Unbrella wasn't good for you. I mean your attitude in your post about terms is exactly what the problem was.. You seem to value yourself over everyone else instead of taking in the bigger picture and seeing what would be a better situation for yourself and everyone involved.

Shocker that ex members of a guild would talk poorly about their former leadership. That like never happens ever in EQ. .A bigger shocker that you bring up RMT with the past history of IB (This was a big worry for a few about joining IB btw) We weren't assured the guild wouldn't just quit again at any point and leave the server again. There needed to be a co-leader to be there to ensure the guild wouldn't just collapse again when you guys decided you were through. The whole history of IB on the server showed these worries to have merit.

You must be the new kid wearing the tin foil hat these days.

1) Have you looked at the server first thread? 1 IB = 15 of FE so yea, They are better than you.

2) Out of all the guilds..Getsome was the best

3) Getsome or the current leadership is not the same leadership that RMT'd back in the day. If Getsome had of been around none of us would of left to follow Xzerion and Nirron to Eqmac.

4) You're a fgt

[Loke]

More lies I joined FE in December.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole

[Heebee]

More lies I joined FE in December.

http://www.tkshare.com/pic/20100606/2010060623191988.jpeg

[Sckrilla]

TUnbrella has been involved in the RMT side of P99 for quite some time and I felt making him a co leader of any entity I was involved in would be a bad decision. If the folks from TMO want a to keep a clean whistle you may want to look more closely at who you just made an officer in your guild.


obv Tmo does not care about their whistle look at the ban wave a couple times ago. LULZ

IB kept their integrity
Fucking twilight zone up in this bitch!?

[Heebee]

More lies I joined FE in December.

Alternatively:

http://www.rottenecards.com/ecards/rottenecard_1182832_rp73vy3g8c.png

[hatelore]

obv Tmo does not care about their whistle look at the ban wave a couple times ago. LULZ

IB kept their integrity

FE never had any
Tmo still wipes with 70 people to 32k hp mobs


Best post in this entire thread. Fe sold out like pussies, with taselhoff leading the charge. The one that hated tmo the most. It truly is like highschool lol. Fake people abounds.

[doraf]

I just took a shit and it almost smelled like the pizza I ate yesterday. It didn't look anything like the pizza. It looked more like melted chocolate and almonds.

[Lazie]

http://www.tkshare.com/pic/20100606/2010060623191988.jpeg

=)

Not thick just could tell which was the better option in my 3 months raiding with IB. The leadership thinks they are the best. Which just isn't the case. Hoku is a great monk but a lot of the pulls broke down because he never had the raid force prepared for what to do once FTE was established. It took Bier,Hitpoint and a few others to make sure that happened.

When something went wrong he would spaz out and blame other people when it was his lack of communication that caused it. It still happens on their pulls in VP now. They get FTE and have no clue what to do after. It usually results in wipes or failed pulls. In which everyone is to blame but the guy who didn't give clear direction to his support.

[Nocsucow]

Another weak ass OP hiding tears behind negative remarks..... you can tell Tass is butt hurt having to wear that god awful tag... lashing out to hide real feels

[Heebee]

Not thick just could tell ... BLAH BLAH BLAH

My posts have nothing to do with any opinions you may hold (none of which I care even the slightest bit about), just simply because you took Loke's post literally and look like a complete muppet as a result.

[Rellapse40]

=)

Not thick just could tell which was the better option in my 3 months raiding with IB. The leadership thinks they are the best. Which just isn't the case.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3518&highlight=Server

looks to me that they are indeed the best

[Ungriim]

=)

Not thick just could tell which was the better option in my 3 months raiding with IB. The leadership thinks they are the best. Which just isn't the case. Hoku is a great monk but a lot of the pulls broke down because he never had the raid force prepared for what to do once FTE was established. It took Bier,Hitpoint and a few others to make sure that happened.

When something went wrong he would spaz out and blame other people when it was his lack of communication that caused it. It still happens on their pulls in VP now. They get FTE and have no clue what to do after. It usually results in wipes or failed pulls. In which everyone is to blame but the guy who didn't give clear direction to his support.

You killed the whole raid pulling corpses twice brah. CORPSES

[quido]

How your accounts holding up, Supremacy?

[Ungriim]

Meh, not good right now. Will let you know more when Derubad actually replies to a PM.

[Shinko]

HEY GUYS

[Lazie]

You killed the whole raid pulling corpses twice brah. CORPSES

That is an interesting fantasy. But it wasn't me. I don't think anyone from either guild ever did that in VP.

[Shinko]

all guilds i have been in have failed

[greenblze420]

ib and knights who say ni should merge then atleast ib will have some decent numbers online

[greenblze420]

ib and knights who say ni should merge then atleast ib will have some decent numbers online

and obviously knights would take leadership of such merge

[Cyrano]

and obviously knights would take leadership of such merge

It's only fair

[Nocsucow]

all guilds i have been in have failed

this is true... maybe shinko is the key to destroying TMO once and for all

[Alarti0001]

Also Lazie, you joined FE like last week and half the posts on this thread are from you. Chill man.

Rofl I was about to say the same thing Loke! That dude joined like during the joint raid era and wiped the raid twice in 15 minutes via trains at the Nexona engage spot

Ya listen to these 2 banned guys.

[Rellapse40]

Ya listen to these 2 banned guys.

Or you could listen to the guy who had 86 accounts banned in his guild at one time

[Loke]

Ya listen to these 2 banned guys.

Like Jeremy, I've never been banned, only suspended. Once in over 4 years.

Also, how does it feel to know that most of your guild probably likes me more than you? I had an open invite to TMO and decided to go back to IB. Pretty sure you couldn't say the same. Eventually my FE bros will figure it out... no truce with the shadow.

[JayN]

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[HeallunRumblebelly]

obv Tmo does not care about their whistle look at the ban wave a couple times ago. LULZ

IB kept their integrity

FE never had any
Tmo still wipes with 70 people to 32k hp mobs

Both guilds do, bcuz desync :( Sometimes because shitty warriors, too :p

[quido]

I blame Zagum

[Lazie]

Rofl I was about to say the same thing Loke! That dude joined like during the joint raid era and wiped the raid twice in 15 minutes via trains at the Nexona engage spot

This never happened by the way to be clear. I do not know what jumbled your brain, but I never trained anything at Nexona that wiped the raid. If you are talking about when we were splitting mobs with TMO and the wipe we had at Nexona that was traced back to an IB person via logs... As usual when we raided together most of the mistakes that were made were traced back to people with IB tags.

It was funny watching people from IB get mad and try to blame someone outside their guild then have to respond "Oh.." and then handle it. Look at the VP results of IB right now. The same mistakes are still happening. Mobs getting pulled onto your engages. Heck Silverwing on top of PD this past weekend. When the guild you tried to blame for all the problems is gone and your problems keep happening.. You can no longer point the finger of that guild. It's time for you to spend time in reality.

[Alarti0001]

Like Jeremy, I've never been banned, only suspended. Once in over 4 years.

Also, how does it feel to know that most of your guild probably likes me more than you? I had an open invite to TMO and decided to go back to IB. Pretty sure you couldn't say the same. Eventually my FE bros will figure it out... no truce with the shadow.

Loke is on a 3 year "suspension"

[Ungriim]

This never happened by the way to be clear. I do not know what jumbled your brain, but I never trained anything at Nexona that wiped the raid. If you are talking about when we were splitting mobs with TMO and the wipe we had at Nexona that was traced back to an IB person via logs... As usual when we raided together most of the mistakes that were made were traced back to people with IB tags.

It was funny watching people from IB get mad and try to blame someone outside their guild then have to respond "Oh.." and then handle it. Look at the VP results of IB right now. The same mistakes are still happening. Mobs getting pulled onto your engages. Heck Silverwing on top of PD this past weekend. When the guild you tried to blame for all the problems is gone and your problems keep happening.. You can no longer point the finger of that guild. It's time for you to spend time in reality.

No, I was talking about the time when we moved to the bottom of the ramp right before Nexona, and we mysteriously wiped to some monk not clearing agro and bringing a huge train - which we all had a hunch was your doing. Then I watched you run off and come back with 2 corpses, both of the drakes, and 3 wurms during our CR. Obviously you wouldn't remember this situation because you wouldn't have done it to your own guild had you known it was happening. But, regardless of that fact your situational awareness is poor - hence everyone asking "Aye Bee Layze" to do things rather than "Eff Ee Lazie" in vent.

[Origin]

The terms offered to FE by IB never changed. They were posted in writing to their guild, what you see in http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145720 were my words and never changed.

I put forth the best terms IB was willing to offer. I viewed the leadership of FE as dysfunctional at times and the feedback from all the ex FE who were in IB supported this sentiment. You call my unwillingness to negotiate a lack of respect, I feel I was looking out for the best interests of everyone involved. Unbrella has been involved in the RMT side of P99 for quite some time and I felt making him a co leader of any entity I was involved in would be a bad decision. If the folks from TMO want a to keep a clean whistle you may want to look more closely at who you just made an officer in your guild.

Yo.... if you haven't read this post by IBs #2 wiz and are posting in this thread: Read it.

[Lazie]

No, I was talking about the time when we moved to the bottom of the ramp right before Nexona, and we mysteriously wiped to some monk not clearing agro and bringing a huge train - which we all had a hunch was your doing. Then I watched you run off and come back with 2 corpses, both of the drakes, and 3 wurms during our CR. Obviously you wouldn't remember this situation because you wouldn't have done it to your own guild had you known it was happening. But, regardless of that fact your situational awareness is poor - hence everyone asking "Aye Bee Layze" to do things rather than "Eff Ee Lazie" in vent.


Again I never trained that Nexona although I do laugh at your need to try to blame someone besides your own guild. It was actually a Warrior from IB who came through thinking he was invis and trained the raid with wurms. The monks who trained those wurms away while cleric's camped were the ones who didn't reset their aggro and stood up and brought them back a second time. I /q'ed immediately and came back in game to the 2nd wave of aggro and pulled 1 wurm off the raid then /q'ed again. The warriors name was said in vent btw. He was an Ogre as a hint. Either way neither of those was people dragging corpses. It was people not aware they had aggro or still had aggro. Neither of which were me.

As for any IB puller asked to help and disregarding any of FE's pullers.. That was 75% of the problems on those pulls. They didn't use the assets they had. I mean we lost a lot of pulls by not having the proper support mapped out ahead of time. It got to the point 4 people talked in vent while they tracked to improve it and it did. You saw it each week as we got more and more VP dragons. It's no big surprise now that 3 of those 4 people are no longer raiding with you guys and your same problems returned.

[Ravager]

all guilds i have been in have failed

I like where this is going.

[CharlesBarkley]

Everyone wants to fucking kiss each other

[thefloydian]

Nerds.