People still want to belong to Scientology?

[BigHurb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZXc_IcgV7Y

i mean, its like a tidal wave of dumb

[Sidelle]

I think Lron does.

[JackFlash]

All you have to do is pay.....

[BigHurb]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df2hkox4XX8

nifty birthday song

these people are out there ... save us jeb bush

[Rhambuk]

i mean, its like a tidal wave of dumb

(Scroll to my right so I can hit the quote key, damn your sig!)

Not very different than most religions honestly, if it started 2000 years ago it would be the #1 religion in america. Without a doubt

[myriverse]

Odd. There wasn't even an America 2000 years ago. And back then, Scientology would have never sought out religious status to avoid taxes.

And Scientology differs greatly from religions. It lacks doctrine, ritual, culture, and praxis. It's not about a belief system or worship of any kind. Calling it a religion is like calling Nihilism a religion.

[Rhambuk]

I just saw the similarity in a mass of blind followers.

[BigHurb]

well the more i compare it to organizations outside the actual military and the catholic church... they got the numbers figured out somehow, to be able to use every tax loophole while increasing real estate holdings and self-sufficient networks of travel and communication...

really kinda creeping me out that its NOT over yet... i believe people can be that weird but these mother fucikers might be a source of domestic terrorism or some other evil henchmen producing factory to go fight for shredder...

[Ahldagor]

well the more i compare it to organizations outside the actual military and the catholic church... they got the numbers figured out somehow, to be able to use every tax loophole while increasing real estate holdings and self-sufficient networks of travel and communication...

really kinda creeping me out that its NOT over yet... i believe people can be that weird but these mother fucikers might be a source of domestic terrorism or some other evil henchmen producing factory to go fight for shredder...

lotta celebs, money laundering, pedo cover ups, and slave labor proly

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/02/14/110214fa_fact_wright?currentPage=all

[BigHurb]

im jelly!

[BigHurb]

military aspects that work:

- PT
- volunteer contract
- uniformity
- diet control
- only able bodied
- drones who want to belong to feel ... a part of something

Church aspects that work
- unity of thought
- unity of purpose
- proclamations of faith
- drones who want to belong to feel ... a part of something

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what doesnt work:

real science is more exciting and powerful
lron hubbard is full of shit like most people
tax evasion will draw ire

[BigHurb]

you could use dianetics for toilet paper but it wont absorb any more feces


dont have the body thetans mock up and entheta while ur on the bridge and being the universal solvent over Matter Energy Space and Time but watch out for Xenu and his spaceships!! dont drawn in the bad thetans. the fourth dynamic engram was dropped in the wall of fire and you suffer for it. operating thetans can stop missiles with their powers.

[BigHurb]

oh no i just realized they will be the first with the money to colonize space!! ! sHIT

(parts made in China)

[Arclyte]

(Scroll to my right so I can hit the quote key, damn your sig!)

Not very different than most religions honestly, if it started 2000 years ago it would be the #1 religion in america. Without a doubt

oh man you're so edgy

I had to wear a pair of gloves just to quote you

(faggot)

[BigHurb]

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[Azure]

lron hubbard is full of shit like most people

Lron Hubbard is dead. Publicly admitted his church was originally just an experiment. Was most likely assassinated for control over the Church and to silence his family.

This comes from ex members who protested yearly near one of its founding worship centers. I distinctly remember listening to a journalist on a radio talk about how they had come into conflict with the Church and had been given special protection/consideration so long as they followed city ordinances.

[JayN]

like 40% of this country is nuts why do you think religions do so well

[BigHurb]

yea ive been naive im just not gonna worry about these people, they lock themselves up and away from me... good for them having fun! the original Larpers!

[Rhambuk]

oh man you're so edgy

I had to wear a pair of gloves just to quote you

(faggot)

with the 6th grade zinger

[Ahldagor]

anyone think that scientology is possibly a money hiding tool for members?

[Azure]

Probably. I believe the Catholic church has some aspects to it like this. Is the whole church corrupt? Naw. Is there someone somewhere in the catholic church using it to hide money. Very likely. Same goes for scientology. Not all scientologists are crazy (ok ok this is a stretch). Some are just interested in the ideas of Dianetics or whatever else it is they do. Lets call these scientoligists "researchers" or "explorers" who are exploring the faith rather than blindly following it.

[Ahldagor]

Probably. I believe the Catholic church has some aspects to it like this. Is the whole church corrupt? Naw. Is there someone somewhere in the catholic church using it to hide money. Very likely. Same goes for scientology. Not all scientologists are crazy (ok ok this is a stretch). Some are just interested in the ideas of Dianetics or whatever else it is they do. Lets call these scientoligists "researchers" or "explorers" who are exploring the faith rather than blindly following it.

really i just want all churches to pay taxes.

[BigHurb]

They use the Sea Org to maintain non-profit status, buy up real estate, and then get away with tax evasion... the upper tier gets to do whatever they want supported by the lower tier.


When i put it that way, its no different from everything else. Kudos to these LARPers

[Raavak]

And Scientology differs greatly from religions. It lacks doctrine, ritual, culture, and praxis.But it does have doctrine, ritual, culture, and praxis? Very different than any Abrahamic religion, but it has them nonetheless.

[Ahldagor]

They use the Sea Org to maintain non-profit status, buy up real estate, and then get away with tax evasion... the upper tier gets to do whatever they want supported by the lower tier.


When i put it that way, its no different from everything else. Kudos to these LARPers

check out that new yorker article i linked. they have re-education work camps

[Raavak]

check out that new yorker article i linked. they have re-education work campsI recently read an old story by a female ex-member who was sent to those "work camps" several times as punishment for various things she did. I wish I knew the link, it was a great read.

[moklianne]

They use the Sea Org to maintain non-profit status, buy up real estate, and then get away with tax evasion... the upper tier gets to do whatever they want supported by the lower tier.


When i put it that way, its no different from everything else. Kudos to these LARPers

Sounds like the Orthodox/Hasidim Jews or Catholicism

[Ahldagor]

Sounds like the Orthodox/Hasidim Jews or Catholicism

they all use it. pro sports leagues are nonprofit organizations too. odd parallel between sports teams and religious institutions in a public sphere tho.

[BigHurb]

the big difference though? the CoS may be the biggest latent domestic terrorist threat in the world by virtue of members access to govt positions while maintaining absolute loyalty to the "church"

its not like it hasnt happened before

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White

[myriverse]

But it does have doctrine, ritual, culture, and praxis? Very different than any Abrahamic religion, but it has them nonetheless.
No, it does not, not any more than Amway. It's all scam to avoid taxes. All. In some countries they are even still adamant about not having any of these things and not being a religion, because it suits their purpose there.

[BigHurb]

changing rules to suit your purpose.. avoiding taxes... having hardcore followers who blindly follow... id say it is a religion, for all purposes.

sad but true.. they taking advantage of the fact the Emperor Has NO Clothes...remember that story... pride is a mother fucker

im tempted myself to start a cult but i dont have a good memory, it would be too hard to be consistent in my lies

[BigHurb]

Everyone is getting over.. i wanna get some of this pie too... where can i sign up to break the rules for profit god damn it

"A government watchdog warned last June and again in January that non-U.S. citizens have registered 5,600 planes with the Federal Aviation Administration through trustees, concealing the owners' identities.

Under FAA regulations, this can be done by the owner creating an agreement to transfer the plane's title to a trustee that is a U.S. citizen. The trustee then registers the plane. The agreements provide little information on the identity of the owner or who uses the plane, according to a memorandum by the Department of Transportation's Office of Inspector General.

In 47 registrations closely examined by the inspector general, the non-U.S. citizen who created the trust had complete authority to remove the trustee, and thus control over the plane."

[Ahldagor]

Everyone is getting over.. i wanna get some of this pie too... where can i sign up to break the rules for profit god damn it

"A government watchdog warned last June and again in January that non-U.S. citizens have registered 5,600 planes with the Federal Aviation Administration through trustees, concealing the owners' identities.

Under FAA regulations, this can be done by the owner creating an agreement to transfer the plane's title to a trustee that is a U.S. citizen. The trustee then registers the plane. The agreements provide little information on the identity of the owner or who uses the plane, according to a memorandum by the Department of Transportation's Office of Inspector General.

In 47 registrations closely examined by the inspector general, the non-U.S. citizen who created the trust had complete authority to remove the trustee, and thus control over the plane."

similar thing to do to get a silencer. it's more likely that people are starting to realize that the laws themselves undermine the rule of law, but that's how it's always been in the us. usa hasn't had its stint of fascism, but we're for sale, politically, now.

[BigHurb]

shits crazy im glad i kinda figured out how to evade my loans... shit, its not like i have the money someone else does i didnt get to keep it, it just came through me because i had a body and a brain and now i have massive debt LOL guess not so smart when u add it up... i still got some time though

[Ahldagor]

shits crazy im glad i kinda figured out how to evade my loans... shit, its not like i have the money someone else does i didnt get to keep it, it just came through me because i had a body and a brain and now i have massive debt LOL guess not so smart when u add it up... i still got some time though

i've lucked out with no debt so far. the other hand is i'm 9hrs away from a bachelor's degree, and on a second academic suspension because i work a lot of hours in order to pay tuition. vicious cycle but it's the american dream, right?

[BigHurb]

they shouldve just called Academic Suspension ... ummm... "every other quarter"... got that sweet 2.7 major GPA.

life is good i just ate a pot cookie and played with the cats and dogs... i want it to be good for other people though

[Ahldagor]

they shouldve just called Academic Suspension ... ummm... "every other quarter"... got that sweet 2.7 major GPA.

life is good i just ate a pot cookie and played with the cats and dogs... i want it to be good for other people though

hehe part of it is that it's a literature degree, so i'm screwed in finding a decent job. realized that then hit cruise control. my grandpa is the only one that seems to understand, but he's one of them depression era guys that understands stagnant social mobility.

compare the positioning and shape of your cat's dewclaw to your thumb?

[BigHurb]

well, i know it goes Gorilla, _____ , Chimps/Human lines from _____.

considering the diaspora of people and the lands themselves over time, emerging adaptations to local environmental conditions and an obviously complex number of other factors, everything seems to match up... plus it all goes back to a universal common ancestor probably from the sky where the high speed collisions of particles in space created fundamental building blocks but then it starts to get a little iffy... why the conserved momentum?? the initial movement? thats so bizarre which is why the simulation is perfect... we could know and not even care or actually enjoy the knowledge in some way... but theres not enough time for one person to do it all.. so the more of us, the more computing power... haha 42

[Ahldagor]

well, i know it goes Gorilla, _____ , Chimps/Human lines from _____.

considering the diaspora of people and the lands themselves over time, emerging adaptations to local environmental conditions and an obviously complex number of other factors, everything seems to match up... plus it all goes back to a universal common ancestor probably from the sky where the high speed collisions of particles in space created fundamental building blocks but then it starts to get a little iffy... why the conserved momentum?? the initial movement? thats so bizarre which is why the simulation is perfect... we could know and not even care or actually enjoy the knowledge in some way... but theres not enough time for one person to do it all.. so the more of us, the more computing power... haha 42

the system was absurd to begin with. the dasein is where you be

[Raavak]

But it does have doctrine, ritual, culture, and praxis? Very different than any Abrahamic religion, but it has them nonetheless.
No, it does not, not any more than Amway. It's all scam to avoid taxes. All. In some countries they are even still adamant about not having any of these things and not being a religion, because it suits their purpose there.
No, it does not, not any more than Amway. It's all scam to avoid taxes. All. In some countries they are even still adamant about not having any of these things and not being a religion, because it suits their purpose there.
Doctrine: That people have thetan's attached to them that work against them succeeding in life. That these thetan's are there from out past experiences, plus thetans from the whole Xenu event. Goal of "Freeing the world".
Ritual: auditing
Culture: lots of culture
Praxis: auditing to remove thetans is a great example of praxis

I agree its declaration of being a religion is very weak, but it does fit these roles. Partially by design (just to be called a religion).

[moklianne]

anyone think that scientology is possibly a money hiding tool for members?

Most religions are at this point. I say tax them all. If it can survive on the support of its members alone than it deserves to survive, otherwise let them implode. There's no reason why I should have to subsidize them. Its bad enough I have to subsidize direct government programs I don't agree with.

[moklianne]

Probably. I believe the Catholic church has some aspects to it like this. Is the whole church corrupt? Naw. Is there someone somewhere in the catholic church using it to hide money. Very likely. Same goes for scientology. Not all scientologists are crazy (ok ok this is a stretch). Some are just interested in the ideas of Dianetics or whatever else it is they do. Lets call these scientoligists "researchers" or "explorers" who are exploring the faith rather than blindly following it.

The Catholic church hides money and pedophiles. That's their doctrine.

[Ahldagor]

Most religions are at this point. I say tax them all. If it can survive on the support of its members alone than it deserves to survive, otherwise let them implode. There's no reason why I should have to subsidize them. Its bad enough I have to subsidize direct government programs I don't agree with.

tax and purge

[mtb tripper]

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