ragefire and cleric epic

[innocent51]

Hello everyone. I was wondering if there was a specific pnp rule around ragefire on the server. Is it on turn in is it on engage or is it plain ffa?

Also I am guessing it is widely farmed for red dragon loots. Do you think a high strong guild would take the offer of spawning it for the right to loot only the epic item (I mean I trigger, they kill, I get my epic and they grab the rest) ? Or are there way enough twinks or farmers being able to spawn the dragon?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Spawn is contested. Heart is worth ~ 40kish, bring the plat and I'm sure they'd let you loot it. First to turn in the pearl gets 20 minutes, but this shit is kinda hazy and usually once they've turned in the pearl barring a wipe and letting it sit for like 30+ minutes you usually don't touch it afterwards. Have pearl in hand when window is open and have friends nearby. Turn in and get em there asap :P Can be duo'd fairly easily by appropriate classes.

[Swish]

After turning in the pearl you get a 20 minute window to engage.

If the guild/group/etc wipes, then it turns FFA.

Yep I've seen people turn the pearl in and relinquish the loots to whoever is helping them so they can get their epic.

Personally I camped it for 15-16 hours, kept the TMO scouts at bay... and had people on call camped, and some waiting with me. Gave everyone who came to help a roll on the items (all greed for non-no drop stuff) :)

Was just happy to have the camp over and done with.

[Daldaen]

Spent probably 2-3 different 6 hour sessions and another 4-5 different 2 hour sessions at Ragefire.

Seen him spawn once and the pearl was turned in within the first second. I didn't even get a trade window opened hehe.

That camp blows so much balls. I was glad to see it was rotated back in the day on this server. Shame that ended and cleric MQ sales replaced it.

[innocent51]

So you dont consider possible that Pearl versus Heart (if they get all the rest) is a fair trade?

[Swish]

That camp blows so much balls. I was glad to see it was rotated back in the day on this server. Shame that ended and cleric MQ sales replaced it.

That's what makes it an unnecessary bottleneck, I think it's probably worse now than its ever been with the higher peak server pop.

Remove MQs, remove a lot of grief for a lot of people...and make people go through the processes they were meant to go through to get their epics etc.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

That's what makes it an unnecessary bottleneck, I think it's probably worse now than its ever been with the higher peak server pop.

Remove MQs, remove a lot of grief for a lot of people...and make people go through the processes they were meant to go through to get their epics etc.

Epic MQs are really, really bad :| Probs should be eliminated--is the cause of most of the cockblocking complaints we get in all of p99, really. I've made my fair share of epic mq cash, but yeah, it keeps them on permanent lockdown.

[khanable]

A lot of people camp RF for red armor, scales, and cloaks.

I'm sure if you talked to some of the more frequent pearl folks they'd be happy to do your deal.

[Pint]

So you dont consider possible that Pearl versus Heart (if they get all the rest) is a fair trade?

Depends entirely on who is camping it, me and my partner did this a handful of times, not having to sock it is worth forfeiting the heart

[Valere]

Depends entirely on who is camping it, me and my partner did this a handful of times, not having to sock it is worth forfeiting the heart

You sock it and I'll 100% log on to help you kill it for a chance at the non-heart stuff, as will most people.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Depends entirely on who is camping it, me and my partner did this a handful of times, not having to sock it is worth forfeiting the heart

Have to agree. Especially if they're fast on the pearl and can just text you when it's ready to die. But most just want to have the pearl and wait an hour for their buddies to show up...lol :p

[Daldaen]

You sock it and I'll 100% log on to help you kill it for a chance at the non-heart stuff, as will most people.

Some people will sit there and give you minute-by-minute updates of how much time you have left on your 20-min time to engage. Because young lawyers.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Some people will sit there and give you minute-by-minute updates of how much time you have left on your 20-min time to engage. Because young lawyers.

This isn't Nam, Daldaen, there are rules!

MARK IT 0!

[Valere]

Some people will sit there and give you minute-by-minute updates of how much time you have left on your 20-min time to engage. Because young lawyers.

More like because young stupid. If you actually were a young lawyer you would silently count down and engage the second their window closed, and at the same time send in a preemptive petition saying what you did and why and listing the window opening and close times. Then let them KS you if they go for it and collect your free loot later.

[Argh]

I've got an extra ragefire heart you can have.

[Swish]

Then let them KS you if they go for it and collect your free loot later.

Has happened before I know for a fact... total shitfest of a camp.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

More like because young stupid. If you actually were a young lawyer you would silently count down and engage the second their window closed, and at the same time send in a preemptive petition saying what you did and why and listing the window opening and close times. Then let them KS you if they go for it and collect your free loot later.

/logs on, always

fraps with that 30s to 1 min buffer in case they train / stall / kite. All standard procedure.

[Nerosys]

So you dont consider possible that Pearl versus Heart (if they get all the rest) is a fair trade?

If i was around i would help you kill rage and you could have the heart all day... shit if i did the turn in and some random cleric came by and asked nicely i would prob give them the heart if im in a good mood. Find the right people we are not all greedy =P

[HeallunRumblebelly]

If i was around i would help you kill rage and you could have the heart all day... shit if i did the turn in and some random cleric came by and asked nicely i would prob give them the heart if im in a good mood. Find the right people we are not all greedy =P

Roto giving away my money again. So generous of him. Also we've done that in the past--iirc I MQ'd sodak's full epic to him just cuz i had it sitting around :P Miss that raging bastard sometimes. Is he back playing now?

[Freakish]

I would still sock him if they removed the ability to MQ the heart. The heart is the least desireable piece off ragefire. I am after that sexy looking red armor that only drops off your epic mob.

[cries4hardcore]

Bar epic mqs and for the most part this problem will be solved. So fuckin lame. I don't care if it's not classic, neither were level 1 clerics with epics. Unfortunately this will go on forever, so, stop being lame, don't purchase it, and do your epic yourself. Will destroy the market and you will have earned it. I mean, when else in your life are you going to earn your epic?

[Khaleesi]

If i was around i would help you kill rage and you could have the heart all day... shit if i did the turn in and some random cleric came by and asked nicely i would prob give them the heart if im in a good mood. Find the right people we are not all greedy =P

You heard it here first, in a thread about virulent Ragefire behavior.

Bar epic mqs and for the most part this problem will be solved. So fuckin lame. I don't care if it's not classic, neither were level 1 clerics with epics. Unfortunately this will go on forever, so, stop being lame, don't purchase it, and do your epic yourself. Will destroy the market and you will have earned it. I mean, when else in your life are you going to earn your epic?

All the potential problems associated with MQ were obvious to Rogean and posse from before this server existed. They choose to implement it knowing full well what type of player(s) it would attract and how they would behave. Like many things, it's another tool to garner interest in the server.

As far as I am concerned, they sold out so that others would buy in - and when questioned about it, they hide behind 'it's classic' argument every time. Meanwhile white knighters (whom are the very people benefiting from MQ the most) defend MQ and similar features, not for the purpose of staying 'classic,' but so they can keep raking in new assets.

If nothing else, remove MQ. It's not going to solve everything, but it's a start and it's a peace gesture from the team.

Meanwhile, open a new server without any of the nonsense and let the remaining greed machines go onto Velious on this server. They can all fight over pixels while the rest of us start fresh with good intentions.

[cries4hardcore]

I still get what is classic about level 1's running around with epics. Classic mechanics are important, I get it, but what's more important to me is a classic experience. Just further proof that we are incapable of self governing and self control. My question is how much is enough plat? Eh, whatever, time to get back to poop socking rage fire lol.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Except for a few small instances (ivandyr's hoop comes to mind :P) classic mechanics have always taken precedence over classic feel. Nilbro's rules.

edit: cuz classic feel is highly subjective, mechanics are not.

[cries4hardcore]

Ok, won't even start an argument there, cuz there is no end to it. What about the last question. How much is enough plat? I mean, once you get into the multi millions what is there to even do with it all?

[Nerosys]

Ok, won't even start an argument there, cuz there is no end to it. What about the last question. How much is enough plat? I mean, once you get into the multi millions what is there to even do with it all?

I think you assume too much. Alot of people have tons of alts that require alot of plat and administration to keep up with the raid scene, Recharges, consumables etc... Sometimes its hard just to maintain it all. Now you might be sitting there thinking first world problems and to an extent you are right but that's how i chose to play. You can ask the multitude of people that i have helped and given things to on the server including epics, items, plat, etc... just because people farm does not make them greedy, if i want more plat that's my business.

The great thing about everquest is it is open to alot of playstyles and it was never a game that was forgiving, no matter what you do it will always be about the Have's and the Have not's they have nerfed alot of different farming tools that i use to use and you know what ? i evolve and find something else. We all came back to this game for a reason, The epics being mqable might be your crusade today but keep in mind that it might bring someone else to the game that is expecting that because it was classic, who are you to tell them they are wrong for playing the way they want.

I hope this did not come off as hostile just a reminder we shouldn't be close minded to other peoples play-styles just because it does not always align with our own.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

I think you assume too much. Alot of people have tons of alts that require alot of plat and administration to keep up with the raid scene, Recharges, consumables etc... Sometimes its hard just to maintain it all. Now you might be sitting there thinking first world problems and to an extent you are right but that's how i chose to play. You can ask the multitude of people that i have helped and given things to on the server including epics, items, plat, etc... just because people farm does not make them greedy, if i want more plat that's my business.

The great thing about everquest is it is open to alot of playstyles and it was never a game that was forgiving, no matter what you do it will always be about the Have's and the Have not's they have nerfed alot of different farming tools that i use to use and you know what ? i evolve and find something else. We all came back to this game for a reason, The epics being mqable might be your crusade today but keep in mind that it might bring someone else to the game that is expecting that because it was classic, who are you to tell them they are wrong for playing the way they want.

I hope this did not come off as hostile just a reminder we shouldn't be close minded to other peoples play-styles just because it does not always align with our own.


This kid doesn't even have a set of bladestoppers to pull with. Fucking, casual.

[Yonkec]

There comes a point where you must either declare cult status for "preserving classic eq in any way possible" as you stroke off McQuaid in the back seat of his minivan, or you admit that a lot of classic mechanics are fucking pathetic and should have been fixed 15 years ago. Did you miss the part about the original devs admitting as much?

This is NOT classic EQ, this server is NOT classic EQ, we are not living in the year 2000 playing on our 15" CRTs spraying out eye cancer during our 4am play sesh's. I am not rocking a 500mhz P3 and a gateway mechanical mouse that can barely scroll sideways on account of the multiple layers of encrusted spunk on the wheel. I don't have to refer to printed/hand drawn maps to navigate any zone this side of Velious. I do not hail the efreeti in ToSR. Classic EQ involved gathering a huge group of friends and trying your best to down some difficult epic content, spending long hours camping rare named spawns as you slammed your face against the wall because your classes version of Raster would not spawn. People did not MQ their epics when Kunark was released.

Most of us earning it with "how much plat do I need to shit out to make that happen?" All I see are Karnors groups that tell their epicless monk puller to go fuck himself six ways from Tuesday because the pipe is greed and they are going to MQ it. Usually the monk loses the roll. I have seen Mistmoore groups reject a rogue from joining because they didn't have their epic at lvl 23. I have seen people camping one of their epic named have the camp stolen by another class who wants the MQ platz. If this is classic EQ, then Im not sure what I was playing back in 1999-2000.

[drktmplr12]

words

classic mechanics, unclassic player base.

[Yonkec]

classic mechanics, unclassic player base.

*sniff* It gets mightly lonely camping rogue MQs all day.

Does classic mechanics + unclassic playerbase = classic "server" though? Or is there a medium that we have yet to reach for optimal classic fappibility?

[Ahldagor]

patience goes a long way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i36Rcdevw44

[Artaenc]

Hello everyone. I was wondering if there was a specific pnp rule around ragefire on the server. Is it on turn in is it on engage or is it plain ffa?

Also I am guessing it is widely farmed for red dragon loots. Do you think a high strong guild would take the offer of spawning it for the right to loot only the epic item (I mean I trigger, they kill, I get my epic and they grab the rest) ? Or are there way enough twinks or farmers being able to spawn the dragon?

I've seen some people show up farming it that's asking the cleric that needs the epic to make a deal like you're talking about. Basically they promise to allow the cleric to turn in the pearl uncontested and loot the heart in exchange for the ransom of taking everything else that drops.

[kaev]

... If this is classic EQ, then Im not sure what I was playing back in 1999-2000.

That's some quality sig material there.

[Erydan Ouragan]

I've seen some people show up farming it that's asking the cleric that needs the epic to make a deal like you're talking about. Basically they promise to allow the cleric to turn in the pearl uncontested and loot the heart in exchange for the ransom of taking everything else that drops.

It's a sweet deal in my opinion.

The cleric epic is the most important one in the game. Clearing that bottleneck should be your main concern, even at the cost of the red dragon armor of whatever. The other loot dropped by the mob shouldn't even be in your thoughts at this point.

But no, it's not enough. Having your epic is not enough, they want the loot as well!

Last night, Argh from <A-Team> was running around giving money to lowbies. I don't know how much he gave in total, but he gave me, personally, 1k. Considering i had 1k in the bank, he doubled my total amount of money. I can't describe how happy i was. To give you a good idea; i'll never raid, i'll never get my epic. I'm still wearing some banded at lvl 41, i quested my lambent armor minus one piece. Breath of Harmony and Guardians Mace are going to be my end-game weapons. All of this to say, this was huge for me.

Then a few minutes later, a guy i know sends me a tell "This guy just gave me 1k!" and i replied "Yep, he's running around lowbie zones and gives money to lowbies :)" and then came the reply that made my jaw drop:

"Damn i wish he gave me enough plat to buy a CoS"

I really like the guy, good player and good conversation, but seriously, what is wrong with people? 1k just appears magically in your hands and you're not thinking about how awesome it is but how awesomer it would be if you had more!. Why the loot and plat fever? It sucks =/

[Cecily]

I do not hail the efreeti in ToSR.

I do.