New map desktop app coming soon (as long as it's still kosher with p99 rules)

[HawkMasterson1999]

People will always have an "unfair" advantage over you in everything you do in life. Insider trading on the stock market, being born into wealth, having a connection with the CEO of a company to get a job...

People are using and getting away with hacks/exploits on every MMO, they can not and never will be weeded out. This app is a drop in a bucket.

My suggestion: play the game the way that makes you happy and stop worrying about others.

So... people are going to cheat no matter what so just let us cheat and don't complain about it? Seems legit

[Frug]

whats it like being so bad at a 15 year old mmo that you have to cheat?

Probably no different than calling something a cheat that isn't, and saying it'll poison/break the server when it wont; over and over and over and over.

[no chewie dont]

"legit" "classic" everquest
way to go

[Nirgon]

Chewie you can start work on the classic UI like how Telin did spells


no chewie dont
VIP / Contributor

[no chewie dont]

ill probably be on "plz chewie dont" by then but yes sounds good

[Glenzig]

You are confusing your nostalgia with the reality of how people play P99. The truth is that nobody is having exciting adventures being lost in Norrath anymore, most of the zones in this game are just big fucking rectangles where as long as you have sow, you can autorun your way to safety. The dungeons that people use are completely mapped out, well traveled and if you don't know where to go 9/10 of the people you encounter there will.

Really? Cause I played EQ live from 99-2001, and his description fits me to a tee. I still get confused in certain zones, and I still have to try to memorize which way I came in and the general direction of the nearest zoneline in case of trouble. Remember, not all classes get sow. I don't want a map ingame. I like having to memorize zone layouts. It makes me feel like I've accomplished something when I can remember the exact direction to run to reach X camp in whatever zone. Just because it would be trivial for some to have an I game map, doesn't mean it wouldn't take away from the overall classic eq experience for others.

[Mirana]

So... people are going to cheat no matter what so just let us cheat and don't complain about it? Seems legit

No, I'm saying that if someone cheating on an online game is enough to ruin it for you, than you should pick another hobby, because there will always be cheaters out there.

Whether you want to bitch and moan about something that is out of your control is your choice.

[triad]

Really? Cause I played EQ live from 99-2001, and his description fits me to a tee. I still get confused in certain zones, and I still have to try to memorize which way I came in and the general direction of the nearest zoneline in case of trouble. Remember, not all classes get sow. I don't want a map ingame. I like having to memorize zone layouts. It makes me feel like I've accomplished something when I can remember the exact direction to run to reach X camp in whatever zone. Just because it would be trivial for some to have an I game map, doesn't mean it wouldn't take away from the overall classic eq experience for others.

this... hitting things like droga without and drastic changes in direction first try always makes me happy

[LittleSorcerer7]

Yeah I've played since 2000 and pretty much every dungeon has areas I have no idea how to navigate.

Maps- not classic.

(They took em out for. A reason)

Also the guy who said it doesn't matter he has all the zones memorized and 9/10 people do too.... Then better keep em memorized bub cause guess what...... Maps-not classic

[LittleSorcerer7]

People will always have an "unfair" advantage over you in everything you do in life. Insider trading on the stock market, being born into wealth, having a connection with the CEO of a company to get a job...

People are using and getting away with hacks/exploits on every MMO, they can not and never will be weeded out. This app is a drop in a bucket.

My suggestion: play the game the way that makes you happy and stop worrying about others.

People are cheating everywhere better just get rid of all efforts to keep things legit. Seems legit.

News is in boys mirana says we don't need to care about insider trading and theft anymore.

[LittleSorcerer7]

No, I'm saying that if someone cheating on an online game is enough to ruin it for you, than you should pick another hobby, because there will always be cheaters out there.

Whether you want to bitch and moan about something that is out of your control is your choice.

We're not all playing pokemon on our own game boys by the way. It's not like awe man mirana bought a game shark and got all the good pokemon now I can't play my single player game and have fun!!!! :((( no it's a MULTIPLAYER game I think you might have forgotten.

[no chewie dont]

mirana sounds like a good candidate for that banhammer
trying to sweep cheating under the rug isn't taken kindly to around these parts

[Mirana]

People are cheating everywhere better just get rid of all efforts to keep things legit. Seems legit.

News is in boys mirana says we don't need to care about insider trading and theft anymore.

I have no idea how you could read my post and infer the Above, but based on your previous posts, i guess i shouldnt be surprised.

I really nees to stop engaging in these threads and expecting intelligent conversation...

[LittleSorcerer7]

I have no idea how you could read my post and infer the Above, but based on your previous posts, i guess i shouldnt be surprised.

News is in gents Mirana has no idea, Which means no one should have any ideas because if people having ideas ruins your fun you should just go play minesweeper.

[Ahldagor]

this still doesn't change the fact of time and movement through a zone. people gettin lazy like this isn't eq...

[lecompte]

Looking forward to giving this a try tonight. All good with GMs and such?

[no chewie dont]

Looking forward to giving this a try tonight. All good with GMs and such?

its still not ok to use 3rd party cheats.

[lecompte]

Uhh, this isn't a cheat. It doesn't interact with the game in any way, simply parses the log... which is permissible.

[no chewie dont]

you should be in the clear then
dont blame me when they ban you

ps whats it like being so bad you need map hacks?

[lecompte]

you should be in the clear then
dont blame me when they ban you

ps whats it like being so bad you need map hacks?

GTFO. We don't need troll shit like this in every fucking thread of the forums. Some people want to play the game and browse the forums for useful posts.
Aka, Keep it in RNF

[no chewie dont]

Asking a question that you are determined you already knew the answer to; perhaps you are the one trolling

[LittleSorcerer7]

GTFO. We don't need troll shit like this in every fucking thread of the forums. Some people want to play the game and browse the forums for useful posts.
Aka, Keep it in RNF

Thea not trolling and it does not belong in RnF. It doesn't just parse.... It gives you a working map. Pretty easy to understand this I'm sure you're not retarded irl, at least I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

[lecompte]

Thea not trolling and it does not belong in RnF. It doesn't just parse.... It gives you a working map. Pretty easy to understand this I'm sure you're not retarded irl, at least I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Wait, so it is more than just an overlay? Does it change the game files or send information to or from the server in anyway? Based on the OP, it reads parses for loc and updates your position on a map.

[Shamalam]

I still haven't used it, but if I understand correctly, this program:

1. Collects location information from the log file (legal)
2. Overlays that information on a client-side map (legal)
3. Communicates the same information to a 3rd party server so your friends can see your location, too (legal)
4. Does not interact with the game server, game files, or anything else directly related to p99 (legal)

Nobody is getting banned for this. The GMs already gave it their blessing. If you don't like people using it, tough shit. Everything (literally everything) that this program does could've been done the day EQ was released in '99, and it wouldn't have been bannable back then, either.

[no chewie dont]

I still haven't used it, but if I understand correctly, this program:

1. Collects location information from the log file (legal)
2. Overlays that information on a client-side map (legal)
3. Communicates the same information to a 3rd party server so your friends can see your location, too (legal)
4. Does not interact with the game server, game files, or anything else directly related to p99 (legal)

Nobody is getting banned for this. The GMs already gave it their blessing. If you don't like people using it, tough shit. Everything (literally everything) that this program does could've been done the day EQ was released in '99, and it wouldn't have been bannable back then, either.

what gms gave their blessing?
server rules clearly state no 3rd party programs to gain an advantage
server devs clearly removed in-game maps
is everyone taking crazy pills?

[Shamalam]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1429373&postcount=68

Show me where in the rules it says "no 3rd party programs to gain an advantage" please?

[Ahldagor]

From a third party program standpoint, this is legitimate. Doesn't manipulate the client, just reads from log file. Not comparable to SEQ or MQ2 as it doesn't share those programs advantages. As I've stated previously, in most cases, so long as a program doesn't manipulate the client itself and is only reading from a log file, it can be used on this server.

From a classic standpoint, also legitimate. The technology to do this was clearly present at the time of Everquest's release.

Investigations GM gives it the thumbs up. Unless management chimes in and says otherwise, this is fine.*

*Project 1999 does not endorse and is not affiliated with www.ahungry.com or any of the programs or services contained within that site. Please always use caution when browsing the internet, and use any programs you find not hosted on www.project1999.com at your own risk. The statements contained within this post are only valid as they pertain to these programs not getting you banned on Project 1999 for their use.

this, but it doesn't change the fact that nilbog can say, "get that shit out of here"; and it doesn't change the fact that peeps are getting too lazy to learn zone layouts by running through them. don't use the brain, you lose the brain.

[Shamalam]

what gms gave their blessing?
server rules clearly state no 3rd party programs to gain an advantage
server devs clearly removed in-game maps
is everyone taking crazy pills?

I guess you'd be talking about this:

"Any type of program or script that gives you an unfair advantage (eg. MacroQuest, ShowEQ or packet modification) will result in an instant ban with no lenience."

And I'll admit this is a bit of a grey area, but Derubael already said it was cool. This program doesn't give an "unfair advantage" because it uses information freely available to everyone at any point while playing the game. You could get the same result by binding /loc to a movement key and keeping an eqatlas map open on a second monitor. This program just does it automatically. It is hardly an advantage at all, IMO.

[no chewie dont]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1429373&postcount=68

Show me where in the rules it says "no 3rd party programs to gain an advantage" please?

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2651

Third Party Tools, Exploiting
We do not tolerate cheating on Project 1999. Any program that provides an unintended advantage or gleams access to information not otherwise available is very strictly prohibited. Please be aware that while other EQEmulator servers may allow the use of such programs, we do not. We have many systems in place to detect the presence and usage of these programs passively, with regular sweeps to purge users that have utilized them. This is typically a permanent ban.

whos words hold more weight? lord rogean or a new red server guide?

[Shamalam]

Originally Posted by Rogean
Third Party Tools, Exploiting
We do not tolerate cheating on Project 1999. Any program that provides an unintended advantage or gleams access to information not otherwise available is very strictly prohibited. Please be aware that while other EQEmulator servers may allow the use of such programs, we do not. We have many systems in place to detect the presence and usage of these programs passively, with regular sweeps to purge users that have utilized them. This is typically a permanent ban.

1. Not an advantage. The zones never change, anyone who has them memorized would get no benefit from this program at all. Maps are freely available online for anyone who wants them.
2. Not accessing information that is otherwise unavailable. /loc is a built in game feature. Log files are a built in feature. This is the only information the program uses.

I would be pretty surprised if Rogean or any other admin/dev came in and shut this down. It's just not a big deal.

[RiffDaemon]

whos words hold more weight? lord rogean or a new red server guide?

Holy hell, let's break this down.

"Any program that provides an unintended advantage"

It's not an advantage. It's been pointed out already, but here it is again: EVERYONE can use this utility!

"or gleams access to information not otherwise available. "We have many systems in place to detect the presence and usage of these programs passively, with regular sweeps to purge users that have utilized them."

This information is in the log. This is not hacking into packets or the client to get this info.



How the Hell is this so hard for you to understand?

[no chewie dont]

if everyone was supposed to use the 3rd party utility, they wouldnt have gone through the trouble of removing maps

THINK MCFLY THINK

[LittleSorcerer7]

Holy hell, let's break this down.

"Any program that provides an unintended advantage"

It's not an advantage. It's been pointed out already, but here it is again: EVERYONE can use this utility!

"or gleams access to information not otherwise available. "We have many systems in place to detect the presence and usage of these programs passively, with regular sweeps to purge users that have utilized them."

This information is in the log. This is not hacking into packets or the client to get this info.



How the Hell is this so hard for you to understand?

This just in everyone we "can't understand" that the gm's took maps out of the game and some random guy found a grey area to implement maps by means that individually are okay but when put together makes maps. Someone get this guy a new brain please.

[RiffDaemon]

if everyone was supposed to use the 3rd party utility, they wouldnt have gone through the trouble of removing maps

THINK MCFLY THINK

This just in everyone we "can't understand" that the gm's took maps out of the game and some random guy found a grey area to implement maps by means that individually are okay but when put together makes maps. Someone get this guy a new brain please.

If Lords Rogean and Nilbog want it prohibited, then that's on them to do it. I don't like this mapping utility either for the very reasons that Zuranthium stated time and time again. But to say this is against server rules? Naw.

But whatever. By all means, keep trolling.

[LittleSorcerer7]

If Lords Rogean and Nilbog want it prohibited, then that's on them to do it. I don't like this mapping utility either for the very reasons that Zuranthium stated time and time again. But to say this is against server rules? Naw.

But whatever. By all means, keep trolling.

This just in by riffdaemon, "giving your opinion is trolling". More momentarily when the new dumb thing is said in response.

[no chewie dont]

Lambthroat
Level 18 Troll Shammy
2011 forum account, RMT ban wave didnt hit ya hard enough so you tryin to catch the map-hack ban wave? ballsy

[Wrench]

havent been following last few pages, but thought id leave this here if it wasnt mentioned already

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=722090&postcount=5

[no chewie dont]

that was before in-game maps were removed
irrelevant
go circumvent rules on a different server imo

[Wrench]

that was before in-game maps were removed
irrelevant
go circumvent rules on a different server imo

3 posts up in the same thread

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=722084&postcount=3

your losin your mind choochoo

[LittleSorcerer7]

that was before in-game maps were removed
irrelevant
go circumvent rules on a different server imo

Boom.

[Bboboo]

Good lord.

Some of you people care too much about a video game.

[loramin]

Good lord.

Some of you people care too much about a video game.

/thread

... yes I know there are at least five more pages coming of Chewie, Masterson, and Sorceror bitching about how everyone (including GM Derubael) isn't playing the game they way they want. I know that they'll keep complaining endlessly because in their heads they can "win" by continually shouting down all opposition ... even though they've already lost.

But it really should be /thread.

[Reguiy]

Good lord.

Some of you people care too much about a video game.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDaGSDgJLZw

[Bboboo]

/thread

... yes I know there are at least five more pages coming of Chewie, Masterson, and Sorceror bitching about how everyone (including GM Derubael) isn't playing the game they way they want. I know that they'll keep complaining endlessly because in their heads they can "win" by continually shouting down all opposition ... even though they've already lost.

But it really should be /thread.

Who the fuck cares, just don't read it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDaGSDgJLZw

I remember this guy, Pure Pwnage was better at the time though =P

[myriverse]

that was before in-game maps were removed
irrelevant
go circumvent rules on a different server imo
Someone already created a log parsing mapper, about 6-9 months ago, and it got GM approval.

The only difference here is that you can share locs with friends.

S. T. F. U. now.

[triad]

might as well just put the maps back in.. glad they wasted their time taking them out..

[Bamz4l]

Red players document/report bugs and other unfair advantages because they know that it will be used against them in a player vs. player environment. Whereas blue players just try to leverage bugs for themselves as much as possible. That is why you have so many red players here disputing this crap. Bluiebies see it as a gift from the noob-god where Red sees it as an exploit.

[loramin]

I think Red players just like complaining ... or maybe they just like excuses to post in the Blue forum ;-)

[no chewie dont]

Whats it like being awful? I cant relate

[Rellapse40]

ty 4 your hard work OP

[no chewie dont]

rellapse definently in that target market for hacks: bad at eq + needs 3rd party help

[Rellapse40]

OP keep doing gods work anything that makes these ignorant drug addicts mad.. i support 100%

[Glenzig]

Someone already created a log parsing mapper, about 6-9 months ago, and it got GM approval.

The only difference here is that you can share locs with friends.

S. T. F. U. now.

I'm late to the party on all the details of said program. When you say that it shows you the /loc of your friends, what does that mean exactly? People on your in game friends list? Do they have to give you some form of consent to be on the list? Is it a 3rd party program that all have to be connected to to be considered as friends?

[drktmplr12]

Remember when ppl felt wary about visiting quest & loot spoiler sites way back when? Rule-abiding 3rd party spoilers came out *all the time* back in live

can anyone find a link describing or provide a reason why certain spoiler sites were in violation of EULA? or am I not reading this correctly?

[drktmplr12]

I'm late to the party on all the details of said program. When you say that it shows you the /loc of your friends, what does that mean exactly? People on your in game friends list? Do they have to give you some form of consent to be on the list? Is it a 3rd party program that all have to be connected to to be considered as friends?

Its like ahungry auction helper. Anyone connected to the webapp while logging their /loc should show up.

1. People log.

2. His program crawls the log.

3. Organize information into a standard syntax.

4. Uploads data to website.

5. Draw on canvas.

6. Upload result to users.

[Glenzig]

Its like ahungry auction helper. Anyone connected to the webapp while logging their /loc should show up.

1. People log.

2. His program crawls the log.

3. Organize information into a standard syntax.

4. Uploads data to website.

5. Draw on canvas.

6. Upload result to users.

So basically, you wouldn't want to use this on the Red server.

[loramin]

One would think there'd be some sort of "don't upload my location" option ...

[kaev]

One would think there'd be some sort of "don't upload my location" option ...

clearly it's time to make a bait alt on red

[LittleSorcerer7]

Whoever said it is right, talking about this is a waste of everyone's time at this point. It would be amazing if we could get nilbog to just drop in and say yay or nay. Then all the complaining and all the support could both just get over it.

[no chewie dont]

nilbog
nilbog
nilbog

everyone say his name 3 times in hopes it summons a response

[loramin]

Derubael already responded, pages and pages ago.

When I called y'all childish before I was referring to the lack of logic/reason in your posts. But now I swear you sound like little kids who didn't like the answer they got from Mom, so now they're running to Dad hoping to get a different answer.

[no chewie dont]

comparing a red server gm to mom is kinda weird imo but im not a doctor what do i know

[loramin]

Is Derubael a red-specific GM? I just assumed all the GMs worked both servers.

Learn something new every day ...

[Famous]

Love it so far, but it does have a little ways to go before it's as useful as the opposition here thinks it is. I do have a few suggestions that I think could help both the server and make it an even more useful program.

1. Make a global LFG list on the same page, afaik the /who LFG commands don't function as they did on live and it should be rather easy for the info to be grabbed from /who and from people going /lfg.

2. Have a "global" or lfg chat room on the same page. I know we already have the public mumble and the IRC, but they rarely get used and I think that a chat room on the map page would get a LOT more traffic.

3. Find some way for players to mark spawns, ie conning a mob and then doing a /loc so we could actually contribute to a real time map with all the mobs, their last kill time etc. This one is probably the most absurd, but hey...why not?

[Glenzig]

Derubael already responded, pages and pages ago.

When I called y'all childish before I was referring to the lack of logic/reason in your posts. But now I swear you sound like little kids who didn't like the answer they got from Mom, so now they're running to Dad hoping to get a different answer.

Derubael did respond and say he thought it was okay. But he did provide the caveat that there are people over his head that may not agree. So its definitely a start. But not a final answer by any means.

[Mirox]

Other than not wanting to bother with GTK overlay, immersion also played into the decision when I decided to draw the map in browser (where the user is already tabbing to to read map information from EQAtlas).

The play flow without the app was previously:

Do a /loc in game while auto-running the general direction
Check position on map in browser (note the destination coods)
Adjust X/Y and keep running until there


All this really does is combine into one action (two if you manually /loc).

The overlay map Mirox is working on steps into the bounds of what I considered risky from an add/app point of view (sure, it isn't rendering in the EQ client exe itself, or through the EQ UI elements, but it may as well be).

Synchronized friend locations was just a fun idea to expand since it is trivial to implement with the base setup (as soon as I decide to spend an hour or two on it).

Well, that is easily fixed with a transparent browser. :)

[Zuranthium]

You've ruined your own lands, you'll not ruin mine too.

[LittleSorcerer7]

You've ruined your own lands, you'll not ruin mine too.

^

[loramin]

Derubael did respond and say he thought it was okay. But he did provide the caveat that there are people over his head that may not agree. So its definitely a start. But not a final answer by any means.

Many other members of the P99 team (not just Derubael) have already stated in numerous threads that log-reading apps are allowed. Derubael then specifically responded to concerns that somehow this app was different by essentially saying "no, it's not (but Rogean could always overrule me)." That seems pretty clear/final to me.

It's kinda like how every judge in the country essentially says "this is my ruling (but the Supreme Court could always overrule me)". For any given court case your chances of the Supreme Court intervening are virtual none: if the judge says you're going to jail, you're going to jail, and just because you don't like it doesn't mean Ruth Bader Ginsburg is going to come save you.

Same deal here: technically Rogean could overrule anything Derubael ever decides, but the odds are really against it. It certainly doesn't mean we should respond to everything Derubael says with a 50-page thread asking Rogean for a response just because we don't like Derubael's call (especially when his call was essentially just "the existing server policy remains the same").

[LittleSorcerer7]

Nilbog
Nilbog
Nilbog

[Ahldagor]

Red players document/report bugs and other unfair advantages because they know that it will be used against them in a player vs. player environment. Whereas blue players just try to leverage bugs for themselves as much as possible. That is why you have so many red players here disputing this crap. Bluiebies see it as a gift from the noob-god where Red sees it as an exploit.

/thread

... yes I know there are at least five more pages coming of Chewie, Masterson, and Sorceror bitching about how everyone (including GM Derubael) isn't playing the game they way they want. I know that they'll keep complaining endlessly because in their heads they can "win" by continually shouting down all opposition ... even though they've already lost.

But it really should be /thread.


wait wait wait wait wait. don't generalize me into that please. i don't like whiny, lazy players who don't know how to make mental maps when they travel. they're proly horrible drivers in RL that get lost consistently and have to rely on their gps or cell phone to get the directions they need instead of memorizing a map and knowing the roads. 1kth post time to make a new login i guess

[Bboboo]

wait wait wait wait wait. don't generalize me into that please. i don't like whiny, lazy players who...(continues to then whine about other people).

[Ahldagor]

i don't even misquote



come in here dear person and have a cigar
you're gonna fly high
you ain't never gonna die
you're gonna make if you try they gonna love you

everyone else is just green
have you seen the app?
oh an by the way who are you?

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/988/981/981988.gif

[kaev]

Pretty sure this post by Rogean has already been linked in this thread:
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=722090#post722090


For those too damned lazy to click the link, Rogean's post:
Programs that parse the log file are fine, as long as they do not do any type of automatic control/response/manipulation/macro on your character in place of manual control.

Oh look, from the OP:
For instance, my starter project would produce a map/maps of the zone you're in based on the 'you have entered' text, and /loc would blink that position onto the map.


But hey, it's only the guy who provides & runs the server, you know, the guy who is the ultimate authority here, so go ahead and continue to ignore it.

[Bboboo]

come in here dear person and have a cigar
you're gonna fly high
you ain't never gonna die
you're gonna make if you try they gonna love you

everyone else is just green
have you seen the app?
oh an by the way who are you?

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/988/981/981988.gif


Yes.

[Champion_Standing]

Pretty sure this post by Rogean has already been linked in this thread:
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=722090#post722090


For those too damned lazy to click the link, Rogean's post:


Oh look, from the OP:


But hey, it's only the guy who provides & runs the server, you know, the guy who is the ultimate authority here, so go ahead and continue to ignore it.

on your character

This app does nothing on or to your character. It doesn't automate anything.

Are you pretending to be a dumb ass or do you really think that this is against the current rules?

[tristantio]

Thanks for keepin this front page guys - new app build put up, sync is now enabled so you can see all your buds and where they're at.

Also, support for RED99 log files has been added, as well as a help page for people who fail to set uptheir eq path properly.

Keep up the great feedback!

[LittleSorcerer7]

Thanks for keepin this front page guys - new app build put up, sync is now enabled so you can see all your buds and where they're at.

Also, support for RED99 log files has been added, as well as a help page for people who fail to set uptheir eq path properly.

Keep up the great feedback!

I do appreciate your effort in trying to make the server better but in this case the feedback isn't so good :(

[Champion_Standing]

I do appreciate your effort in trying to make the server better but in this case the feedback isn't so good :(

Shut up.

The feedback is fine, you and the same few other people just keep spamming the thread with your bullshit.

[no chewie dont]

ah yes, i remember project1999, was great until some asshole publicly distributed map-hacks and other non classic shit

[LittleSorcerer7]

Shut up.

The feedback is fine, you and the same few other people just keep spamming the thread with your bullshit.

Ahh I remember the good ole days when I was 13 and when I got mad I thought the best thing to do was to tell people to shut up. Ahh memories. :)

[HawkMasterson1999]

Shut up.

The feedback is fine, you and the same few other people just keep spamming the thread with your bullshit.

If you were actually reading this thread, at least 18 different people are firmly against it. Thats quite a bit more than a "few" Nice try though.

[mipstien]

Thanks for keepin this front page guys - new app build put up, sync is now enabled so you can see all your buds and where they're at.

Also, support for RED99 log files has been added, as well as a help page for people who fail to set uptheir eq path properly.

Keep up the great feedback!

PR says any publicity is good publicity.:cool:

[TWDL_Prexus]

If you neckbeards don't like it, don't use it. Simple as that. Personally, I have no use for this app but some people may and who cares? People care way too much about the things other people do that has no effect on them.

Oh and thanks for the work you've done Tristantio.

[HawkMasterson1999]

If you think this couldn't effect other people you seriously suffer from a lack of insight and imagination. Its like steroids and pro sports. Let half the people do steroids and the other half not do them and see if they feel effected. Steroids against the rules? Lets do some HGH instead! Totally legal!

[Kika Maslyaka]

If you neckbeards don't like it, don't use it. Simple as that.

you do realize that exactly same thing could be said about:

-actual in-game maps
-compass
-Luclin models
-spell sets

Yet all of them were disabled. I wonder why?

[TWDL_Prexus]

you do realize that exactly same thing could be said about:

-actual in-game maps
-compass
-Luclin models
-spell sets

Yet all of them were disabled. I wonder why?

Those weren't in game at this time. This isn't in the game. There were parsers back then.

Technically this app is classic though, because I could have written the exact same app in 99 (had I been where I am now in my programming abilities) :)

[drktmplr12]

Pretty sure this post by Rogean has already been linked in this thread:
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=722090#post722090


For those too damned lazy to click the link, Rogean's post:


Oh look, from the OP:


But hey, it's only the guy who provides & runs the server, you know, the guy who is the ultimate authority here, so go ahead and continue to ignore it.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/custom/k/w/10223ae9ca.jpg

[Kika Maslyaka]

Those weren't in game at this time. This isn't in the game. There were parsers back then.

So was boxing.

But I get it, its the "technicality" ;)
But if technicality can break the "spirit" of the project's intent, then its no longer just a technicality. You may as well turn the in-game maps back on.

[TWDL_Prexus]

So was boxing.

But, I get its the "technicality" ;)
But if technicality can break the "spirit" of the project's intent, then its no longer just a technicality. You may as well turn the in-game maps back on.

I am really unsure how boxing(which was classic, and I used 2 pc's to box during Velious but really has no place on p1999) compares to this. Especially because this doesn't alter peoples game play, nor effect the game play of others. Something boxing would do.

[tristantio]

I think boxing limitations have more to do with hardware and resources and the complete lack of barrier to entry (to 6 box) as was present back in the day.

If you figure half the population would 6 box (if allowed) you'd see the server population balloon from ~1000 a night to at least ~4000 a night (then more if the remaining 500 non six boxers just boxed a single extra toon).

Boxing would be something that was allowed back in the day, but has special caveats here (whether hardware related, or to simulate the classic feel, or just to distinguish the server from all the other emu servers where people run around with 6 on auto follow).

Whether you like it or not, this app is no different than a damage parser or the auction tracker, they both read the /log file and do something with the available data outside of the game.

Also in game maps being disabled has more to do with disabling bigger cheat programs that hook into the in game maps than what is/isn't classic (if I had to guess).

Red people against this likely don't use my auction tracker (unless also playing on blue), but I wonder how many bluebies against the map program happily look for items on the auction tracker despite it being "not classic"?

[Champion_Standing]

Ahh I remember the good ole days when I was 13 and when I got mad I thought the best thing to do was to tell people to shut up. Ahh memories. :)

Do you ever stop whining?

[Champion_Standing]

If you were actually reading this thread, at least 18 different people are firmly against it. Thats quite a bit more than a "few" Nice try though.

18 people is in fact "a few people"

[loramin]

2-boxing simply isn't comparable. Live had paid 2-boxing, which required you to buy an extra computer (virtualization didn't really exist back then) and pay for an extra monthly account. Live never allowed free 2-boxing (or free 1-boxing for that matter; SOE liked getting paid).

But obviously we can't have paid 2-boxing here, for legal reasons, so the devs don't allow it. And the devs certainly aren't going to allow free 2-boxing when that was never a part of classic EQ.

[moklianne]

Then the 18 people don't have to use it. If it turns out that rogean or someone else with some actual say on the matter doesn't like it, then over 1000 people shouldn't and hopefully won't be able to use it.

[tristantio]

So far about 180 unique downloads of the app, so 18 people opposing is about 10% of the people aware of (one way or the other) the app.

[Supaskillz]

I like the ability to use logs for some purposes, but it does have a lot of automation ability that can lead to making the game a bit more easy mode.

Some ridiculous things off top of my head that could be done with just log information.
You could record when and where(or where they were first hit) npcs die in logs and store zone respawn timers in the program. Then the program you warn you when respawns are coming near your character.
Cleric could be autoplayed by logging dmg dealt to each player and hitting a macro to stand and heal and sit.
Guild could share data and with fast enough response time basically have a live aggro list based on dmg, procs, spells.

[kaev]

This app does nothing on or to your character. It doesn't automate anything.

Are you pretending to be a dumb ass or do you really think that this is against the current rules?

What the hell are you on about? I quoted Rogean saying an app like this completely legit and then FOR FUCKING CLARITY I quote the OP of that thread describing functionality identical to what's being discussed in this thread, what the fuck makes you think I'm saying it's against the rules? :boggle:

Please tell me you were drunk/high/overtired/distractedbyporn/whatever. My ignore list is getting annoyingly close to filling the screen

[edit2]
In case it's still unclear, Rogean responded to a question regarding the same functionality being discussed here, and I quote:
"Programs that parse the log file are fine, as long as they do not do any type of automatic control/response/manipulation/macro on your character in place of manual control."

see http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...090#post722090 for the entire discussion.

[no chewie dont]

So far about 180 unique downloads of the app, so 18 people opposing is about 10% of the people aware of (one way or the other) the app.

Name and shame

[loramin]

Some ridiculous things off top of my head that could be done with just log information.
You could record when and where(or where they were first hit) npcs die in logs and store zone respawn timers in the program. Then the program you warn you when respawns are coming near your character.
Something you can already do with a simple kitchen timer.

Cleric could be autoplayed by logging dmg dealt to each player and hitting a macro to stand and heal and sit.
If a program "hit a macro" then it would be a cheat program, and using it would be a bannable offense. And if the program isn't hitting the macro, aren't you basically just talking about playing a cleric (and looking at a log app vs. looking at your party's health)?

Guild could share data and with fast enough response time basically have a live aggro list based on dmg, procs, spells.
You can already get all of that except the "live" part with log parsers that have existed since 2000. Well, and maybe the agro list part, since that's not as simple as you make it sound (agro != just the damage done).

Look, log parsers have existed since just after the dawn of Everquest itself. They have always been legit, no matter who's running the server (SOE or Rogean). Yes we have faster internet now, and yes that allows for slightly more advanced uses of the log, but that doesn't change the fact that log parsers are/forever will be legit.

If you want to "fix" something like this app your only options are going back in time or somehow forcing every P99 player to use dial-up. Good luck.

[loramin]

Name and shame

Shame? By who, you, Sorceror and Hawk? I'm sure that will deeply hurt their feelings. Better put out a flood advisory first (for all the tears they'll be shedding after you shame them).

[HawkMasterson1999]

Thats 18 people just among those who have posted in this thread and I didn't count people who were still on the fence about it. The point is its more than just a few or "the same 4 people" as someone else suggested. You're trying to minimize our completely valid argument by saying we are just a minority. If you want to say that is just a few than only a few people are in favor of the map hacks as well. There is just as much anti as pro in here. Maybe even more.

[LittleSorcerer7]

Something you can already do with a simple kitchen timer.


If a program "hit a macro" then it would be a cheat program, and using it would be a bannable offense. And if the program isn't hitting the macro, aren't you basically just talking about playing a cleric (and looking at a log app vs. looking at your party's health)?


You can already get all of that except the "live" part with log parsers that have existed since 2000. Well, and maybe the agro list part, since that's not as simple as you make it sound (agro != just the damage done).

Look, log parsers have existed since just after the dawn of Everquest itself. They have always been legit, no matter who's running the server (SOE or Rogean). Yes we have faster internet now, and yes that allows for slightly more advanced uses of the log, but that doesn't change the fact that log parsers are/forever will be legit.

If you want to "fix" something like this app your only options are going back in time or somehow forcing every P99 player to use dial-up. Good luck.

All irrelevant, you get a map when the gm's specs specifically disabled maps

[HawkMasterson1999]

To use a kitchen timer for spawns you have to be present and aware. With this app (used the way the creator is suggesting) any brain dead drunk drooling moron can know the exact moment the named is coming. Actually, you don't have to be at keyboard. You don't even have to be online! Just open your log hack and see whats due to spawn before you even open everquest.

[Supaskillz]

Something you can already do with a simple kitchen timer.


If a program "hit a macro" then it would be a cheat program, and using it would be a bannable offense. And if the program isn't hitting the macro, aren't you basically just talking about playing a cleric (and looking at a log app vs. looking at your party's health)?


You can already get all of that except the "live" part with log parsers that have existed since 2000. Well, and maybe the agro list part, since that's not as simple as you make it sound (agro != just the damage done).

Look, log parsers have existed since just after the dawn of Everquest itself. They have always been legit, no matter who's running the server (SOE or Rogean). Yes we have faster internet now, and yes that allows for slightly more advanced uses of the log, but that doesn't change the fact that log parsers are/forever will be legit.

If you want to "fix" something like this app your only options are going back in time or somehow forcing every P99 player to use dial-up. Good luck.

I am not saying it's easy to do any of these or that they are likely just that they are possible.

Kitchen timers are tough to use for every mob. Even people who time phs and room pops are disciplines player who make good group members. Automating this does detract something imo.

Can they stop you from using programmable keyboards? Hitting a number of the keyboard is all the software would have to do. Does not have to interface with client at all, not sure if this is allowed or detectable if not, but I hope it's not allowed.

I think map feature doesn't cross the line for most people, but more and more features are possible. Are we sure anything that just uses log info is acceptable?

I doubt any of this would make me quit or that I wouldn't even use it, but at some point some of the classic intent could be lost by the classic technicality that logs were available.

[fadetree]

All irrelevant, you get a map when the gm's specs specifically disabled maps

? You get maps anyways, check http://www.steveprutz.com/eq/

[loramin]

Kitchen timers are tough to use for every mob. Even people who time phs and room pops are disciplines player who make good group members. Automating this does detract something imo.

Your're missing the point, and that point is that log parsers have been around for 15 years. This isn't some new menace that ahungry has created that is now threatening our server, it's part of the game. And it's not anything to worry about because all log parsers can do is make things you can already do slightly easier ... in this case, pressing the "start timer 1" button for you when you kill mob X, vs. you having to alt+tab and click that button yourself (because presumably you're using a timer program that lets you run multiple timers, and not a literal kitchen timer).

Can they stop you from using programmable keyboards? Hitting a number of the keyboard is all the software would have to do. Does not have to interface with client at all, not sure if this is allowed or detectable if not, but I hope it's not allowed.

How about we do a little experiment: go buy a programmable keyboard use it for a bit, then come back here and tell us how it went. You'll need to create a new forum account though, because the one you're using now will be banned after you use a prohibited cheat program ;-)

Less sarcastic answer: yes they are detectable and bannable. I don't know exactly how the devs do the detection (I can think of a few ways myself), and I doubt they'd tell us, but that's a good thing because you want to keep the cheaters on their toes.


I think map feature doesn't cross the line for most people, but more and more features are possible. Are we sure anything that just uses log info is acceptable?

Yes we're sure. Numerous members of the staff, including Lord Rogean himself have stated so on multiple occasions. Some people (*cough* chewie, Sorceror, Hawk) just can't take no for an answer.

I doubt any of this would make me quit or that I wouldn't even use it, but at some point some of the classic intent could be lost by the classic technicality that logs were available.

Lots of classic intent has already been lost; you can't suck the knowledge of how to acquire an OT Hammer via Puppet Strings from peoples brains, so as a result P99 will always have way more OT Hammers than was ever classically intended. Nobody likes this fact, but there's nothing we can do about it, so we all have to settle for a P99 that has "the closest possible classic mechanics" even if that means not having the closest possible classic intent.

[loramin]

To use a kitchen timer for spawns you have to be present and aware. With this app (used the way the creator is suggesting) any brain dead drunk drooling moron can know the exact moment the named is coming. Actually, you don't have to be at keyboard. You don't even have to be online! Just open your log hack and see whats due to spawn before you even open everquest.

So much stupidity I don't know where to start.

A) You can do THE EXACT SAME THING with a timer program. The ONLY difference is that with the timer program you need four extra keypresses and a mouse click (ALT+TAB to the timer program, click to start the appropriate timer, ALT+TAB back).
B) You absolutely do have to be online; how could you possibly get log output if you're not logged in?
C) And no, you don't have to be at the keyboard, but then you don't have to with a timer program either (it will make noise that can summon you back to the keyboard).

So either we can all get irrationally fearful of things we don't understand, freak out about timer programs, and start a 30-page long thread about the unfair advantage they offer ... or we can say "hey this has been a part of the game for 15 years and the world hasn't ended; maybe, just maybe, it's not going to end now just because someone made a new log parser".

But of course that ain't happening, so commence with the irrational fearmongering you three.

[HawkMasterson1999]

So much stupidity I don't know where to start.

A) You can do THE EXACT SAME THING with a timer program. The ONLY difference is that with the timer program you need four extra keypresses and a mouse click (ALT+TAB to the timer program, click to start the appropriate timer, ALT+TAB back).
B) You absolutely do have to be online; how could you possibly get log output if you're not logged in?
C) And no, you don't have to be at the keyboard, but then you don't have to with a timer program either (it will make noise that can summon you back to the keyboard).

So either we can all get irrationally fearful of things we don't understand, freak out about timer programs, and start a 30-page long thread about the unfair advantage they offer ... or we can say "hey this has been a part of the game for 15 years and the world hasn't ended; maybe, just maybe, it's not going to end now just because someone made a new log parser".

But of course that ain't happening, so commence with the irrational fearmongering you three.


You're arguing in favor of a program and you don't even understand what it does. Everyone's log output goes to his server where its compiled into one output that goes back to to the mapper client. That means as long as SOMEBODY is logging an event than EVERYBODY using the prog could potentially get the information. Thats how you get dots with everyone elses loc.

[loramin]

If we're talking about the original idea of "you kill mob X, and your app tells you in an hour" then yes you have to be logged in and kill something for it to work. Maybe you don't have to be logged in after, but the same is true of a kitchen timer.

On the other hand, if we're talking about someone killing the mob you want to kill, then having their app tell the server "Mob X killed at 12:00", then yes in theory that app could alert you at 1:00 that "Mob X (or its placeholder) just spawned.

But in that scenario, odds are the guy who killed the mob the first time is going to want to kill it again when it respawns (and thus probably wouldn't even have his app tell the server). And even if he doesn't, that's ultimately the same thing as having a forum thread where people can post "I killed mob X at 12:00, but I'm not planning to kill it again when it respawns at 1:00".

So I guess we have to ban the forums now huh? Damn, despite the idiots on them I rather liked them ...

[Kika Maslyaka]

2-boxing simply isn't comparable. Live had paid 2-boxing, which required you to buy an extra computer (virtualization didn't really exist back then) and pay for an extra monthly account. Live never allowed free 2-boxing (or free 1-boxing for that matter; SOE liked getting paid).

But obviously we can't have paid 2-boxing here, for legal reasons, so the devs don't allow it. And the devs certainly aren't going to allow free 2-boxing when that was never a part of classic EQ.

Now I got you :D

Boxing existed in 1999 - it was expensive ( at least to 99% of players), but available and legal.
The log reader program that can do map tracking was technicallypossible, but didn't actually existed. (or at least 99% of people never heard of it)
This puts them in the boat.

So we have Boxing which existed but was uncommon, and we have log-reader-map-builder which if fact didn't existed.

Therefore, neither auto-tracked maps (which were disabled by GMs intentionally), nor log-readers that could produce such a map are part of classical experience.

[HawkMasterson1999]

The forum isn't automated though. If I wanted I could just keep an afk toon hidden at a named mobs spawn and wait for whoever to kill it and log the event. Yes, I could do that without his app but I would have to load up my logs when i got home /find my keywords. With a log app like this you could just check mob spawns on your smartphone. Even if I thought the creator of this particular program was trustworthy there is nothing to stop other people from copying his app and using it ruthlessly.

[loramin]

Now I got you :D
...
Therefore, neither auto-tracked maps (which were disabled by GMs intentionally), nor log-readers that could produce such a map are part of classical experience.

Agreed. We can never truly have a 100% "classic experience", because nothing can ever truly be like it was 1999. No one is arguing that ahungry's apps (including the auction tracker everyone loves so much) existed back in 1999 . What we're saying is, the EQ server is working (almost) the same as it did in 1999, and so is the client (including the part about it writing logs). Since we can't control anything outside those two, there's no point getting bent out of shape when something outside is different than it was in 1999.

The forum isn't automated though. If I wanted I could just keep an afk toon hidden at a named mobs spawn and wait for whoever to kill it and log the event. Yes, I could do that without his app but I would have to load up my logs when i got home /find my keywords. With a log app like this you could just check mob spawns on your smartphone. Even if I thought the creator of this particular program was trustworthy there is nothing to stop other people from copying his app and using it ruthlessly.

No one needs to copy his app, there are hundreds of other log parsers out there they could copy instead if they want (remember: logs and log parsers have existed since the dawn of Everquest).

And yes, having a computer parse your log for you is faster/easier than using find on the file yourself ... that's kind of the point of having a log parser. It's also been the point for using a log parser for 15 years ... so what exactly is your point there?

[Supaskillz]

@loramin: you don't have to argue with me that this is not against the rules, I never contended that it was. I am merely trying to have a discussion on how we feel such programs and the potential for expanded utilities using logs could impact playing experience and how we feel about that.

The devs do make do make some concessions from classic mechanics. See variance on spawns, ivamders hoops, etc. If they believe it is sufficiently disruptive they can change things and have shown some Willingness to do so.

[loramin]

Can they stop you from using programmable keyboards? Hitting a number of the keyboard is all the software would have to do. Does not have to interface with client at all, not sure if this is allowed or detectable if not, but I hope it's not allowed.


@loramin: you don't have to argue with me that this is not against the rules, I never contended that it was. I am merely trying to have a discussion on how we feel such programs and the potential for expanded utilities using logs could impact playing experience and how we feel about that.

I have nothing against a discussion based on relevant facts ... but you entered a discussion about a log parsing map app with a point about programmable keyboards. Those keyboards have nothing whatsoever to do with log parsing map apps, and they are just as banned today as they were before ahungry created the map app.

[no chewie dont]

project1999: "legit" "classic" everquest

i remember when it turned to shit, has something to do with the OP

[loramin]

How many of these flash forwards do you plan on having Chewie?

[Gadwen]

Well I got it to open, but it always gives me an error stating "Error in your GUI XML Files"
The text file it references just says it can't find an XML that is very much there.

[no chewie dont]

hm have you tried uninstalling and never coming back?

[Gadwen]

hm have you tried uninstalling and never coming back?

Keep crying, If you keep it up I bet Nilbog will log on and be devastated at the potential loss of an asswipe like yourself and ban the app.

[no chewie dont]

oh no, some moran who can't even figure out how to install his hacks properly just called me an asswipe
how will i go on??

[Gadwen]

oh no, some moran who can't even figure out how to install his hacks properly just called me an asswipe
how will i go on??

http://www.elle.com/cm/elle/images/3r/Cryinggifs_01_1.gif

[LittleSorcerer7]

/thread

... yes I know there are at least five more pages coming of Chewie, Masterson, and Sorceror bitching about how everyone (including GM Derubael) isn't playing the game they way they want. I know that they'll keep complaining endlessly because in their heads they can "win" by continually shouting down all opposition ... even though they've already lost.

But it really should be /thread.

Sounds like loramin is bitching.... Don't be a hypocrite dude.

[loramin]

The only thing I'm bitching about is y'all's bitching; if that makes me a hypocrite then call me a hypocrite /shrug.

[LittleSorcerer7]

The only thing I'm bitching about is y'all's bitching; if that makes me a hypocrite then call me a hypocrite /shrug.

You know what, I'm a pos too I haven't even actually downloaded it and tried it out to see exactly what it is and does. I just heard gives you a map and I instantly started shit talking. Before I post anymore I'm
Gonna wait till I get home tonight do it see if it's what I think it is then ill bitch. Sorry everyone, for now anyways lol.

[Frug]

project1999: "legit" "classic" everquest

i remember when it turned to shit, has something to do with the OP

Can I have your stuff?

[Ahldagor]

this is nothing new folks. devs and gms will let this run. proly messing with it atm, and then all those using it will get banned after a warning has been issued about usage once they've mastered a way to track it. tool dependency isn't a good thing.

[tristantio]

this is nothing new folks. devs and gms will let this run. proly messing with it atm, and then all those using it will get banned after a warning has been issued about usage once they've mastered a way to track it. tool dependency isn't a good thing.

A good bait and switch if they did after saying it was fine :)

[Ahldagor]

A good bait and switch if they did after saying it was fine :)

From a third party program standpoint, this is legitimate. Doesn't manipulate the client, just reads from log file. Not comparable to SEQ or MQ2 as it doesn't share those programs advantages. As I've stated previously, in most cases, so long as a program doesn't manipulate the client itself and is only reading from a log file, it can be used on this server.

From a classic standpoint, also legitimate. The technology to do this was clearly present at the time of Everquest's release.

Investigations GM gives it the thumbs up. Unless management chimes in and says otherwise, this is fine.*

*Project 1999 does not endorse and is not affiliated with www.ahungry.com or any of the programs or services contained within that site. Please always use caution when browsing the internet, and use any programs you find not hosted on www.project1999.com at your own risk. The statements contained within this post are only valid as they pertain to these programs not getting you banned on Project 1999 for their use.


dots on a map for pvp...
don't depend on tools to play or enjoy the project, mainly. got a brain, so use it. i've advocated mental maps the whole thread.

[loramin]

once they've mastered a way to track it. tool dependency isn't a good thing.

In order for the devs to "track it", they would have to install some creepy spyware which monitors any app that reads from the log file. Messing with files outside of the EQ exe would be VERY different from what they currently do.

I think it's more likely they'd disable/delay logging somehow, or disable /loc ... but I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for that either.

[Ahldagor]

In order for the devs to "track it", they would have to install some creepy spyware which monitors any app that reads from the log file. Messing with files outside of the EQ exe would be VERY different from what they currently do.

I think it's more likely they'd disable/delay logging somehow, or disable /loc ... but I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for that either.

however they do what they do i don't have but a small clue, and don't care about their methods. i seriously don't think this app will last because maps have been removed, deru's quote, and tool dependency.

[no chewie dont]

In order for the devs to "track it", they would have to install some creepy spyware which monitors any app that reads from the log file. Messing with files outside of the EQ exe would be VERY different from what they currently do.

I think it's more likely they'd disable/delay logging somehow, or disable /loc ... but I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for that either.

ooo u dont know bout the .dll huh
ur in for a rude awakening

[SamwiseRed]

ooo u dont know bout the .dll huh
ur in for a rude awakening

LOL that guys is in for a treat hehehhehehehe

[SamwiseRed]

you know its bad when the only people against unclassic maps is people from red. chewie fighting a battle with multiple fronts. i fear for his life but at least hell die a martar.

[Ahldagor]

you know its bad when the only people against unclassic maps is people from red. chewie fighting a battle with multiple fronts. i fear for his life but at least hell die a martar.

pure blue blood here my friend.

[loramin]

ooo u dont know bout the .dll huh
ur in for a rude awakening

I don't even know what this means. Do the devs patch the EQ code (including some dlls)? Sure. Can they run any code they want from in there? Most likely.

Is there a giant difference between patching a game to make it work more classically and installing code that monitors your system outside the confines of the game? Obviously, and that's why it's more likely that IF they were to "fix" this non-problem, they would take an approach that involves manipulating the game (eg. delaying log output) rather than playing NSA.

But if the devs want to ban log parsing after it's been a part of EQ for over 15 years, it's their world, we just play in it. /shrug

[myriverse]

I'm late to the party on all the details of said program. When you say that it shows you the /loc of your friends, what does that mean exactly? People on your in game friends list? Do they have to give you some form of consent to be on the list? Is it a 3rd party program that all have to be connected to to be considered as friends?
It only works for whomever is hooked into Tristantio's program and the info is only as good as their manually updating their loc information.

One would think there'd be some sort of "don't upload my location" option ...
There is: don't loc.

[tristantio]

It only works for whomever is hooked into Tristantio's program and the info is only as good as their manually updating their loc information.


There is: don't loc.

You can also just loop the sync-url back to itself (so you sync only with your own app) and not with another friend or central server:

(setf *sync-url* "http://localhost:4444")


Will make syncing inactive (essentially)

[Clark]

Hax

[Seredoc]

So I am trying to get this to run and for some reason when I load the .bat it throws an error in the cmd prompt and the page it loads in firefox gives a 404 not found message

Sifted through quite a few pages and couldn't find anything pointing to troubleshooting these issues

[Frug]

So I am trying to get this to run and for some reason when I load the .bat it throws an error in the cmd prompt and the page it loads in firefox gives a 404 not found message

Sifted through quite a few pages and couldn't find anything pointing to troubleshooting these issues

Me too - I'm corresponding with the author in PM's - maybe will bring it here for more to see. (Although he is being very helpful, just maybe more eyes on the problem might help?)

[tristantio]

Read the readme on github, but the main things are:

If you use a custom (non-standard) EQ path, make sure you update settings.lisp as such:


(setf *eq-path* "C:/Your/Custom/Path/With/Trailing/Slash/")


Feel free to remove the *junk-setting* (or leave in, but it's fine to remove).

Note that it is FORWARD not BACKWARD slashes.

After that, make sure you have a "Logs" directory and a "maps" directory.

Lastly, make sure you use case sensitive paths (don't do all lower case etc.).

Let me know if that helps.

[Seredoc]

Read the readme on github, but the main things are:

If you use a custom (non-standard) EQ path, make sure you update settings.lisp as such:


(setf *eq-path* "C:/Your/Custom/Path/With/Trailing/Slash/")


Feel free to remove the *junk-setting* (or leave in, but it's fine to remove).

Note that it is FORWARD not BACKWARD slashes.

After that, make sure you have a "Logs" directory and a "maps" directory.

Lastly, make sure you use case sensitive paths (don't do all lower case etc.).

Let me know if that helps.

Did so by un commenting the path, just changing the path, trying with no spaces and just adding a copy of your code under what was already there. nothing seems to be working

also tried erasing everything from file and placing just your code with my path, that did nothing to change what was alerady happening

Edit: think I may have found the problem. When I try to run everything I had one error come up stating that it could not find .net 4.5

Seeing as this computer runs xp that is a problem, as 4.5 will not run(well) on xp

Was really looking forward to using this, oh well, maybe once my good computer gets fixed and I have a reliable new Mint install going

[Droog007]

I haven't used it yet, but when I envisioned something similar, I thought it would be cool if it could use 2 or more locs to give you a vector drawn on the map...

Could be set up to parse for a specific phrase in "say", and then draw a line based on the next 2 or 3 /locs

[tristantio]

Did so by un commenting the path, just changing the path, trying with no spaces and just adding a copy of your code under what was already there. nothing seems to be working

also tried erasing everything from file and placing just your code with my path, that did nothing to change what was alerady happening

Edit: think I may have found the problem. When I try to run everything I had one error come up stating that it could not find .net 4.5

Seeing as this computer runs xp that is a problem, as 4.5 will not run(well) on xp

Was really looking forward to using this, oh well, maybe once my good computer gets fixed and I have a reliable new Mint install going

This doesn't use .net in any way (its using Steel Bank Common Lisp aka SBCL, which compiles down to a straight exe).