Trade etiquette: RESPOND if you're not interested.

[Smalls]

It is horrible etiquette to get an offer for something you're selling or a price for something you're looking for and then not respond to it. Even if you're not interested, you should always respond with a noty or something so the other person isn't sitting there waiting for an answer that will never come. That's considered extremely rude.

[Razn]

So is offering way below the asking price and expecting someone to take you serioiusly.

[daasgoot]

It is horrible etiquette to get an offer for something you're selling or a price for something you're looking for and then not respond to it. Even if you're not interested, you should always respond with a noty or something so the other person isn't sitting there waiting for an answer that will never come. That's considered extremely rude.

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[Brut]

Prefer the lack of answer over the "LOL NO WAY BRO" responses.

[tristantio]

I think an answer is polite - if someone were going to ask me to do something like summon their corpse, is it better for me to just ignore their /send entirely if I'm already busy?

[tekniq]

I disagree. Someone offered me 50K for a fungi and got mad that I didn't reply. I'm pretty sure he knows the going price of the fungi, so I don't reply back to egregious offers...he should know better. If I feel so offended, sometimes I'll just respond with an LOL.

[Yonkec]

I couldn't care less how many morons and rude assholes are on this server. You all know who you are. If you just said to yourself "hes certainly not talking about me", I am talking about you.

Honestly most people have absolutely no idea how to trade and barter here. Somewhere in the last 15 years you all went soft, being continuously stroked off by autistic auction houses and games that took messy "best in slot" loot shits all over your chests via daily missions. You have forgotten how to play a real game that has a socially based economy.

Sellers /auction an item, at a certain price. If that price is above what you wish to buy it for, try a fucking counteroffer. I have lost count of how many idiots ask the current asking price and then fuck off when I tell them. Play the game. Counteroffer with a lower price, I am ALWAYS going to accept less than the first asking price. There is ALWAYS a middle ground.

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I know many of you are trashy enough to be fans of Pawn Stars or Hardcore Pawn or whatever. I fucking am. Just pretend you are a bald obese middle aged white man who likes to play with medieval swords. It will take you far in life.

[Rararboker]

LOL. No.

[Kekephee]

I couldn't care less how many morons and rude assholes are on this server. You all know who you are. If you just said to yourself "hes certainly not talking about me", I am talking about you.

Honestly most people have absolutely no idea how to trade and barter here. Somewhere in the last 15 years you all went soft, being continuously stroked off by autistic auction houses and games that took messy "best in slot" loot shits all over your chests via daily missions. You have forgotten how to play a real game that has a socially based economy.

Sellers /auction an item, at a certain price. If that price is above what you wish to buy it for, try a fucking counteroffer. I have lost count of how many idiots ask the current asking price and then fuck off when I tell them. Play the game. Counteroffer with a lower price, I am ALWAYS going to accept less than the first asking price. There is ALWAYS a middle ground.


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I know many of you are trashy enough to be fans of Pawn Stars or Hardcore Pawn or whatever. I fucking am. Just pretend you are a bald obese middle aged white man who likes to play with medieval swords. It will take you far in life.




Fuck that. If someone wants to give me less than what I want for an item, I'm not selling it to them. If someone wants me to pay more for an item than I want to, I'm not buying it from them. I don't have time to play arbitrary haggling games where people expect to sell it for 200 so they offer it for 250. It's stupid. Conventionalized haggling is stupid. If everybody's doing it then it's pointless and you may as well skip the bullshit.

I get so tired of auctioning an item I want to get rid of for 500 plat less than it's worth just to sell it faster and having these fucking parasite career lowballers send me tells trying to get me to drop it 1k because they think I'm desperate or don't know the real price. It's already below price, get out of me you vermin swine

[Smalls]

It's called negotiating. You say 1k, they say 500, you both settle on 750p. If you don't like lowballing or haggling then DON'T TRADE. People are ALWAYS going to want a better deal.

[Yonkec]

Fuck that. If someone wants to give me less than what I want for an item, I'm not selling it to them. If someone wants me to pay more for an item than I want to, I'm not buying it from them. I don't have time to play arbitrary haggling games where people expect to sell it for 200 so they offer it for 250. It's stupid. Conventionalized haggling is stupid. If everybody's doing it then it's pointless and you may as well skip the bullshit.

I get so tired of auctioning an item I want to get rid of for 500 plat less than it's worth just to sell it faster and having these fucking parasite career lowballers send me tells trying to get me to drop it 1k because they think I'm desperate or don't know the real price. It's already below price, get out of me you vermin swine

Thanks for proving my first point. I guess I missed the memo where every item on this server has a hard coded price of which we are to advertise it? gg friend, may you go far in life.

[Kekephee]

"if you don't want to haggle don't trade" is pretty sensible, I definitely will take this advice


Or I'll just continue not selling people shit when they try to undercut my already reduced for the sake of I fucking hate trading and want to get out of there fast prices!

[Smalls]

"if you don't want to haggle don't trade" is pretty sensible, I definitely will take this advice


Or I'll just continue not selling people shit when they try to undercut my already reduced for the sake of I fucking hate trading and want to get out of there fast prices!

K, then I'll just throw your ass on ignore and continue searching for a better deal. There's bigger fish out there to hook.

[Kekephee]

Thanks for proving my first point. I guess I missed the memo where every item on this server has a hard coded price of which we are to advertise it? gg friend, may you go far in life.

You ask me what I want for an item. I tell you. You try to give me less. I tell you I don't want less, I want the amount that I told you I want. You piss and moan and tell me HAGGLING IS THE SPIRITS OF THE GAME. I continue not wanting less for the item and knowing someone else will eventually buy it for what I do want for it and don't sell it to you.


Isn't this the kind of free market you're getting so pissy about? Don't you have just as much ability to find some sap who WILL lower his price for you as I do to find some sap who will pay more for the item?

[phacemeltar]

not interested

[Kekephee]

K, then I'll just throw your ass on ignore and continue searching for a better deal. There's bigger fish out there to hook.

you're going to put someone on ignore for not wanting to sell you an item at the price you want? Jesus christ that's petty

[Smalls]

you're going to put someone on ignore for not wanting to sell you an item at the price you want? Jesus christ that's petty

Not as petty as refusing to reply to someone because they're not willing to pay what you want.

[Kekephee]

Not as petty as refusing to reply to someone because they're not willing to pay what you want.

???? Are you having some trouble reading the thread here? I never said anything about "not responding." I always respond. I just don't take the fucking offer.

[lecompte]

It's called negotiating. You say 1k, they say 500, you both settle on 750p. If you don't like lowballing or haggling then DON'T TRADE. People are ALWAYS going to want a better deal.

Prefer the lack of answer over the "LOL NO WAY BRO" responses.

People who don't haggle in real life, are often getting screwed or missing out on the deal they could have. People who haggle make more in their prospective fields and buy cars and other shit for less.

If you don't want to haggle, sell your 1k item for 600pp. Hell! Even then you'll get crazy offers but I feel a degree of public charity when I sell a crystaline shortsword for 80pp and 16 stacks of spiderling/spider silk.

[Supaskillz]

Some offers are insulting. I suspect people ignore these offers bc they don't want to waste their time with someone who is just trying to rip them off to resell it.

[Whirled]

Just give stuff away like i do and problem solved.... next?

[Kekephee]

People who don't haggle in real life, are often getting screwed or missing out on the deal they could have. People who haggle make more in their prospective fields and buy cars and other shit for less.

If you don't want to haggle, sell your 1k item for 600pp. Hell! Even then you'll get crazy offers but I feel a degree of public charity when I sell a crystaline shortsword for 80pp and 16 stacks of spiderling/spider silk.


This is my point, though. I reduce my price initially to avoid having to haggle because it's a waste of time. I'll sell a pair of eboots for 4500 instead of the average 5k- not a set price, but a usual one, one that is often met and clearly quite possible to get your item sold at. But then I"ll get these fucking ingrates trying to bring me down to 4k, 3.5k, and I'm like look, shitheel, I did your negotiating for you precisely so I won't have to deal with this. I am lowballing myself to make this go faster, please stop trying to lowball me more.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

I'm not interested in etiquette.

[Rararboker]

I feel like Kekephee is the only one making sense here.

[Yonkec]

You ask me what I want for an item. I tell you. You try to give me less. I tell you I don't want less, I want the amount that I told you I want. You piss and moan and tell me HAGGLING IS THE SPIRITS OF THE GAME. I continue not wanting less for the item and knowing someone else will eventually buy it for what I do want for it and don't sell it to you.


Isn't this the kind of free market you're getting so pissy about? Don't you have just as much ability to find some sap who WILL lower his price for you as I do to find some sap who will pay more for the item?

One day you will realize that you are not god. Items are not worth what you think they are worth, they are worth what the highest bidder will give you. You either take the best offer you can find, or you can sit on the item until the sun burns out. The rest of this discussion is just us throwing poo.

[Smalls]

This is my point, though. I reduce my price initially to avoid having to haggle because it's a waste of time. I'll sell a pair of eboots for 4500 instead of the average 5k- not a set price, but a usual one, one that is often met and clearly quite possible to get your item sold at. But then I"ll get these fucking ingrates trying to bring me down to 4k, 3.5k, and I'm like look, shitheel, I did your negotiating for you precisely so I won't have to deal with this. I am lowballing myself to make this go faster, please stop trying to lowball me more.

Some people don't know that you're already selling the price at a lower rate. And even still, trying to negotiate for a lower price even when the item is being sold cheaper than usual is NORMAL. People want to save money, they want better deals. Do you think most people go to the grocery store and buy all their shit wholesale? NO. They want for things to go on sale so they can get what they need and save money doing it.

How fucking thick can you be?

[Yonkec]

Some offers are insulting. I suspect people ignore these offers bc they don't want to waste their time with someone who is just trying to rip them off to resell it.

If someone offers you 50p for a 1k item they can most assuredly go fuck themselves, you dont owe respect when none is given in the first place. That is really all that we need to keep in mind here.

[lecompte]

SHow fucking thick can you be?

Hey Hey, all are valuable points ;p No need to personally attack.

[Supaskillz]

Haggle all you want but take your fucking medicine when you send insulting offers and get ignored.

[Kekephee]

One day you will realize that you are not god. Items are not worth what you think they are worth, they are worth what the highest bidder will give you. You either take the best offer you can find, or you can sit on the item until the sun burns out. The rest of this discussion is just us throwing poo.


Third option: I wait another day, maybe two, and someone else will buy the item for the price I want. HARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Some people don't know that you're already selling the price at a lower rate. And even still, trying to negotiate for a lower price even when the item is being sold cheaper than usual is NORMAL. People want to save money, they want better deals. Do you think most people go to the grocery store and buy all their shit wholesale? NO. They want for things to go on sale so they can get what they need and save money doing it.

How fucking thick can you be?

Are you just fucking with me here? Do you go to the grocery store and say "oh, my, the milk's not on sale, I'd better either not buy milk for however many months until it goes on sale or try to wrestle a lower price out of someone"?

[Smalls]

Third option: I wait another day, maybe two, and someone else will buy the item for the price I want. HARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Are you just fucking with me here? Do you go to the grocery store and say "oh, my, the milk's not on sale, I'd better either not buy milk for however many months until it goes on sale or try to wrestle a lower price out of someone"?

If I have to, yes. I won't buy milk if its being inflated, I'll look for alternatives. If that means I have to go a few months eating dry wheaties, so be it.

[Thulack]

Sorry but i'll always try for a better deal on a item unless its super cheap then i'm trying to get my tell in before any other guy. And what you think a price isn't set in stone. And i'm the opposite of you. I will advertise something for more knowing i'll get haggled down some in the end but then again i like spending time in EC. Easy way to make money.

[Kekephee]

Well, most people who aren't insane are willing to spend an extra dollar rather than go months without drinking milk at all.

[Yonkec]

Third option: I wait another day, maybe two, and someone else will buy the item for the price I want. HARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nothing you said changes what I said. You are just talking one day vs another, I am talking the whole process together. If nobody wants to pay "your price" and you wont negotiate, the item never gets sold. My position is that you MUST be willing to negotiate on items unless you enjoy low balling yourself for no reason.

Prices on this server are arbitrary and constantly fluctuating. Most have an "WTS XXXX" price that varies 10-20% between people. One day someone auctions an item for 4.5k, another day its 7.5k. How are you to assure me your price is the correct one? You can not stand here and say "This item is worth this price 100% absolutely without a doubt". If nobody else on the server agrees with you, how do you intend to sell it?

Economics is a social science, not a mathematical formula. Don't forget that.

[Smalls]

Well, most people who aren't insane are willing to spend an extra dollar rather than go months without drinking milk at all.

Milk isnt a necessity. I can get my calcium other ways. I can find alternatives for my breakfast.

I'll spend the extra dollar if it's an absolutely necessity that I'm buying, like toilet paper.

[lecompte]

Are you just fucking with me here? Do you go to the grocery store and say "oh, my, the milk's not on sale, I'd better either not buy milk for however many months until it goes on sale or try to wrestle a lower price out of someone"?

or you can go up to the counter and ask if they price match, show them the price of said milk at the store 3 miles away and get the reduced price?

[Kekephee]

Sorry but i'll always try for a better deal on a item unless its super cheap then i'm trying to get my tell in before any other guy. And what you think a price isn't set in stone. And i'm the opposite of you. I will advertise something for more knowing i'll get haggled down some in the end but then again i like spending time in EC. Easy way to make money.


That's valid, and I can accept that. My issue is I just hate the haggling process. I don't to sit there "negotiating" in tells for ten minutes every time someone makes an offer on an item. That's the reason I lower my prices. If you're ok with haggling, and you jack up your prices anticipating it, more power to you. You and I will probably end up never sending each other tells in EC because I will think your prices are too high and you'll try to get me to lower mine and I'll just say no. It's not a big deal.


These guys are spazzing out and saying people don't "know how to play" because their way of doing it is different.

[Tzeriel]

Smalls, why don't you just RMT for the third or fourth time and just forgot trading completely?

[Bill Tetley]

I get shit for just saying "no" so now Ive stopped responding if your offer is already lower than the low price im asking. stop being cheap!

[Smalls]

Smalls, why don't you just RMT for the third or fourth time and just forgot trading completely?

Why would I sink to your level? I earn my plat legitimately now.

[Kekephee]

or you can go up to the counter and ask if they price match, show them the price of said milk at the store 3 miles away and get the reduced price?


That doesn't really work in EQ, does it? When someone tells me "Jackoff is selling that item for 50pp less than you :-( " I tell them to go ahead and buy it from Jackoff.

[lecompte]

... It does work though... Many times.

EDIT: And, I bet if you are selling a DA idol (just making shit up) and you are someone who drops prices just to get out of dodge, but you are selling yours for 400 and everyone else is 300. I would offer 300 and you may well take it just cause you wanna leave and go play the game.

[Smalls]

That doesn't really work in EQ, does it? When someone tells me "Jackoff is selling that item for 50pp less than you :-( " I tell them to go ahead and buy it from Jackoff.

You're losing money then, and time you could be spending farming and leveling, which would make you more money. Time that you can't get back.

[Tzeriel]

Why would I sink to your level? I earn my plat legitimately now.

So you had to get banned 3 times to start playing legit?

[Smalls]

So you had to get banned 3 times to start playing legit?

Some lessons take longer to learn than others. But I still think RMT should be allowed. I don't agree with that rule, but I'm forced to obey it for the privilege of playing here.

[Tzeriel]

Not really. The VAST majority of players learn to follow the rules while breaking them 0 times!

[Glenzig]

Why do I care if a confirmed multiple offense RMTer thinks it might be rude if I don't respond to him?

So I got curious and decided to look up Mr. Smalls here.

Banned in December of 2012 for RMT. Provided information for source of exchange, reduced to suspension and currency deleted.

Banned again in August of 2013 for similarily related activities.

A shame. =\

[Smalls]

Not really. The VAST majority of players learn to follow the rules while breaking them 0 times!

The vast majority aren't me. And anyway, I obey the rule now, so who cares? The past is the past.

[Glenzig]

Some lessons take longer to learn than others. But I still think RMT should be allowed. I don't agree with that rule, but I'm forced to obey it for the privilege of playing here.

Note to self, do not buy anything from, or sell anything to Smalls.

[SamIamLegend]

I find it hilarious this kid "ratted out" his source of exchange to get reduced to suspension - to only do it again. What a loser.

[RiffDaemon]

I feel like Kekephee is the only one making sense here.

+1

Unless the seller tags the auction with "OBO", I'm assuming that item is not open to haggling. And if I do make an offer and it gets refused because the price is firm, my jimmies remain calm.

That every item is supposed to be haggled is extreme to me.

[quido]

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[Smalls]

I'll just sell my shit to Jeremy Irons then.

[myriverse]

Are you just fucking with me here? Do you go to the grocery store and say "oh, my, the milk's not on sale, I'd better either not buy milk for however many months until it goes on sale or try to wrestle a lower price out of someone"?
Now, who are you fucking with? We're not talking about milk, here. We're talking about unnecessary things. So, yes, "don't but it or wrestle for a lower price."

[quido]

Milk and beef are getting expensive

It's a fucking travesty

[Smalls]

Let me put it this way. If someone were selling a FBSS for 1kpp, a ridiculously lowball price, I would STILL try and haggle that person for a better deal. Why? Because even though they're selling the item for ridiculously cheap, they may not know what the thing is worth and I might still be able to get a better price out of them.

The best traders haggle for every nickel and dime they can.

[quido]

Being the best trader makes you an annoying maggot. I have purposely rejected people outright for trying to further haggle with me when I'm offering something far below market value - even when they come up to my original price.

[Smalls]

Being the best trader makes you an annoying maggot. I have purposely rejected people outright for trying to further haggle with me when I'm offering something far below market value - even when they come up to my original price.

Well there's always another sucker to take advantage of. Buy as low as you can haggle for and then jack up the price and wait for an interested buyer to haggle you, and still make a solid profit.

[Champion_Standing]

Tunnel rats are scum that ruin the server

[Glenzig]

Let me put it this way. If someone were selling a FBSS for 1kpp, a ridiculously lowball price, I would STILL try and haggle that person for a better deal. Why? Because even though they're selling the item for ridiculously cheap, they may not know what the thing is worth and I might still be able to get a better price out of them.

The best traders haggle for every nickel and dime they can.

Nah. You just know how much cash that 1k plat costs. Tryin to save those RMT dollars.

[drktmplr12]

One day you will realize that you are not god. Items are not worth what you think they are worth, they are worth what the highest bidder will give you. You either take the best offer you can find, or you can sit on the item until the sun burns out. The rest of this discussion is just us throwing poo.

Fair market value (FMV) is an estimate of the market value of property, based on what a knowledgeable, willing, and unpressured buyer would probably pay to a knowledgeable, willing, and unpressured seller in the market.

Items are not simply worth what a buyer is willing to pay as you are suggesting.

They are also not worth what the auctioneer is willing to sell it for.

They are worth exactly the amount at the intersection where buyer and seller are willing to accept the amount.... markets are not one sided.

Also, I'm pretty sure he isn't claiming to be god by stating: I don't feel the need to negotiate my already fair price.

[quido]

yeah I dunno maybe I'm just fortunate enough to not need to maximize my gain at every opportunity

feels kind of good to say "that's a fair price, I'll take it" instead of haggling over 500 plat

[Smalls]

Nah. You just know how much cash that 1k plat costs. Tryin to save those RMT dollars.

You would know, you're the domain owner of platlord.com

[Smalls]

yeah I dunno maybe I'm just fortunate enough to not need to maximize my gain at every opportunity

feels kind of good to say "that's a fair price, I'll take it" instead of haggling over 500 plat

Well, you sell things like Trak guts and Pulsing Green Stone for 500kpp. Of course you don't need to nickel and dime your barters. Not everyone has a stranglehold on the servers economy like you.

[quido]

All those trades were on behalf of my guild. As far as trading my own items, I've always settled on and accepted non-exorbitant pricing, generally below market value. An extra hour of selling isn't worth an extra thousand plat or whatever if you have shit to do.

[Smalls]

All those trades were on behalf of my guild. As far as trading my own items, I've always settled on and accepted non-exorbitant pricing, generally below market value. An extra hour of selling isn't worth an extra thousand plat or whatever if you have shit to do.

Well, poopsocking tends to take away from trading time.

[drktmplr12]

Some people don't know that you're already selling the price at a lower rate. And even still, trying to negotiate for a lower price even when the item is being sold cheaper than usual is NORMAL. People want to save money, they want better deals. Do you think most people go to the grocery store and buy all their shit wholesale? NO. They want for things to go on sale so they can get what they need and save money doing it.

How fucking thick can you be?

you are the thick one, smalls. you just put your foot in your mouth and didn't even realize it.

first, if someone doesn't know the value of something they shouldn't be offering money for it.

second, wholesale means something different than how you are using it.

third, Keke already has it on sale (ie below market value). you are suggesting we take an item that's already on sale and offer to pay even less for it because we want a deal.

last, of course people want to buy things at below market value, that's why sales exist.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I couldn't care less how many morons and rude assholes are on this server. You all know who you are. If you just said to yourself "hes certainly not talking about me", I am talking about you.

Honestly most people have absolutely no idea how to trade and barter here. Somewhere in the last 15 years you all went soft, being continuously stroked off by autistic auction houses and games that took messy "best in slot" loot shits all over your chests via daily missions. You have forgotten how to play a real game that has a socially based economy.

Sellers /auction an item, at a certain price. If that price is above what you wish to buy it for, try a fucking counteroffer. I have lost count of how many idiots ask the current asking price and then fuck off when I tell them. Play the game. Counteroffer with a lower price, I am ALWAYS going to accept less than the first asking price. There is ALWAYS a middle ground.

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I know many of you are trashy enough to be fans of Pawn Stars or Hardcore Pawn or whatever. I fucking am. Just pretend you are a bald obese middle aged white man who likes to play with medieval swords. It will take you far in life.


This. As an African-American female ordained Episcopalian minister, I have indeed found that pretending I am a bald obese middle aged white man who likes to play with swords, has more times than I can count, facilitated my ability to fulfill my duties as a pastor, and more than that, enriched my interactions with my community overall. Not just my parishioners have benefited.

God bless,
Sadre

[Tzeriel]

We missing the point here. The multiple time RMTer is bothered by something. Shouldn't we simply be laughing and blacklisting him off the server?

[drktmplr12]

Let me put it this way. If someone were selling a FBSS for 1kpp, a ridiculously lowball price, I would STILL try and haggle that person for a better deal. Why? Because even though they're selling the item for ridiculously cheap, they may not know what the thing is worth and I might still be able to get a better price out of them.

The best traders haggle for every nickel and dime they can.

the best traders know that maintaining good relationships with customers and suppliers is important. people tend to avoid dealing with nickle-diming jewbags if they can help it.

Just cause someone can try and get something worth $10.00 for a jewish dollar versus a dollar, doesn't make them a good trader.

[Brut]

Let me put it this way. If someone were selling a FBSS for 1kpp, a ridiculously lowball price, I would STILL try and haggle that person for a better deal. Why? Because even though they're selling the item for ridiculously cheap, they may not know what the thing is worth and I might still be able to get a better price out of them.

Kinda cute that on the OP you go on about etiquette and how people should quit being rude, but then carry on how it's perfectly reasonable to lowball even the lowball price tags in hope that you can rip someone off.

[quido]

You guys remember Armani? Almost every respectable trader avoided dealing with that dumbfuck because trying to work out a deal with a price-gouging scumbag preying on ignorance is annoying. In the end, before he got banned, only dumb noobs would buy his shit.

[Smalls]

You guys remember Armani? Almost every respectable trader avoided dealing with that dumbfuck because trying to work out a deal with a price-gouging scumbag preying on ignorance is annoying. In the end, before he got banned, only dumb noobs would buy his shit.

Getting banned for trying to save pennys on the dollar?

[drktmplr12]

Getting banned for trying to save pennys on the dollar?

no getting banned for being scum. greasy people do greasy things, in general. nice try though.

[Smalls]

no getting banned for being scum. greasy people do greasy things, in general. nice try though.

If trying to save money is being scum then this server has pretty pathetic standards.

That's actually part of the reason I have yet to donate. But even so, I don't intend to donate until Rogean offers some sort of in-game benefit for doing so, like plat, items, etc.

[Ravager]

I always get the prices I want, whether I'm buying or selling. /auc long enough advertising what you want to pay for an item or what you want to get for an item and you'll eventually get it, if you're in the reasonable range. I'm not losing anything by not selling something, but I'm losing a shit ton giving in to lowball offers.

But I respond to all tells, most of the time it's a flat-out "no".

[HethGnome]

If trying to save money is being scum then this server has pretty pathetic standards.

That's actually part of the reason I have yet to donate. But even so, I don't intend to donate until Rogean offers some sort of in-game benefit for doing so, like plat, items, etc.

Would you consider getting to play the game an in-game benefit?

[feste]

I feel like Kekephee is the only one making sense here.

[Smalls]

Would you consider getting to play the game an in-game benefit?

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[Quineloe]

Not as petty as refusing to reply to someone because they're not willing to pay what you want.

you're putting someone on ignore who's already not sending you tells? how dumb is that?

[Smalls]

you're putting someone on ignore who's already not sending you tells? how dumb is that?

I reported him too.

[Yonkec]

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[Conscript]

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[Tzeriel]

you're putting someone on ignore who's already not sending you tells? how dumb is that?

He got caught RMTing three times. How smart did you expect him to be?

[Smalls]

He got caught RMTing three times. How smart did you expect him to be?

I still don't think it should be a bannable offense, but Rogean makes the rules, and I must obey.

Like a slave. I am subconsciously controlled by the words "Would you kindly?"

[drktmplr12]

If trying to save money is being scum then this server has pretty pathetic standards.

That's actually part of the reason I have yet to donate. But even so, I don't intend to donate until Rogean offers some sort of in-game benefit for doing so, like plat, items, etc.

I still don't think it should be a bannable offense, but Rogean makes the rules, and I must obey.

Like a slave. I am subconsciously controlled by the words "Would you kindly?"



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[Glenzig]

You would know, you're the domain owner of platlord.com

Uh uh. You are!

[Glenzig]

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Then why are you returning for the third time to play here. Go away.

[Tzeriel]

Then why are you returning for the third time to play here. Go away.

This. Leave.

[Smalls]

Because PEQ is worse than this.

[Glenzig]

Because PEQ is worse than this.

Then show an ounce of gratitude that you have this to play and quit being such a douche.

[Sarajo]

That feel when your privilege in real life doesn't get you special treatment in an MMO.
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[Kika Maslyaka]

someone on the forums has signature with a screenshot of in game text with following in it:

Player A: WTS Stein of Moggok 250pp
Player B: Thats way too much, they go for 100-150 max
Player C: I will take the stein!

;)

[Conscript]

My philosophy is:

As long as your conscious is clear you're doing the right thing.

In other words, don't worry about how other people do their business. Do things the way you see fit. This is how reputations are built. And reputations lead to fame. And fame leads to idols. And idols lead to morals. And morals lead to change.

[Glenzig]

My philosophy is:

As long as your conscious is clear you're doing the right thing.

In other words, don't worry about how other people do their business. Do things the way you see fit. This is how reputations are built. And reputations lead to fame. And fame leads to idols. And idols lead to morals. And morals lead to change.

That's like a serial killers mini handbook right there.

[Smalls]

Well done Glenzig, your parents must be proud knowing they raised another shining example of humanity. AKA another idiot.

Also, people don't tip for sow anymore?

[Sylexis]

I hesitate to bother responding, I've literally gotten a "well fuck you then" for turning someone's lowball offer down.

[Glenzig]

Well done Glenzig, your parents must be proud knowing they raised another shining example of humanity. AKA another idiot.

Also, people don't tip for sow anymore?

Man! You are just so witty!!! Can you be my dad?

[Smalls]

Man! You are just so witty!!! Can you be my dad?

We're gonna have that "talk" soon, son.

[Glenzig]

We're gonna have that "talk" soon, son.

Will you finally tell me why my pants keep getting tight when I'm around Debbie Sue?

[Smalls]

Will you finally tell me why my pants keep getting tight when I'm around Debbie Sue?

If you become bisexual you'll get twice as much sex.

[Blade]

Smalls just out of morbid curiosity, did you try haggling down Platlord or did you take his prices like a bitch.

[Erati]

Smalls quit forumquesting and get to actual questing

Finish your Priests of Life faction so I can sell you that Soulfire MQ you wanted :P

[Glenzig]

If you become bisexual you'll get twice as much sex.

Is that why you and your friend Dan are always having sleepovers?

[Smalls]

Is that why you and your friend Dan are always having sleepovers?

Well, we found out it only works for lesbians.

[Messianic]

The only reason I don't do this is because people get rude sometimes, even when I try my best to be polite... "Gotcha, ty anyway", "No, gl"...

[August]

I didn't read any of this thread so I'm sure to contribute right now.

I am a jeweler. I sell my jewelry every time i'm logged into my toon in EC.

When someone asks me for price on something, I have never varied in the 2+ years I've played here, or hell, even when I was on Fippy.

I do NOT haggle on my jewelry prices. If I tell you something (55hp/5ac rings) cost 250pp, if you counter-offer me, I'm not going to reply. Why?

Because I used to reply. I used to reply to every single one of you mongoloids telling you why it's not worth it for me to sell it to you for 175pp. Fire opals cost 550 gold from Genni in sol-ro temple. That's 55pp, but it's more than 55pp in trouble to go get, especially considering I have to use a ton of my time. I literally buy 200 when I go because it's going to take me 2+ hours to get that many fire opals.

Not to mention, even at 55pp, the bar is ~101pp, and my failure rate (at which I spent 10k+ to get to.., plus the time) is 5%. If you want to know precisely, my raw 'cost' per ring is 165.26pp - that's not including my time to go get the non-vendor bought FO, the cost of the port to get them (which you say oh, but you get 200 - yes, which means I have 200 x 55 = 11k in assets tied up in fire opals, which is also a cost).

So you can see why I don't type it all out, or even bother. The fact that I buy 200 at a time tells you the kind of thorough-put I get on them, at the standard price of 250pp. If you don't want to pay my price that I say, just don't say anything back. I'm not ripping you off, and I understand the idea of a secondary market in a game where items never go 'no drop'. If you want to wait and find somebody that is selling their old twink gear, be my guest.

[captnamazing]

Keke, we've discussed this issue a number of times in game. While this will resolve nothing, I feel inclined to point out your revulsion towards the opportunistic nature of the free market. I think you would be happier being able to sell your wares to a vendor at a set price to avoid the hassle of setting up shop. This is a personal preference, and understandable.

However, that is not the way the game is designed. As pointed out, no item has a set value. It fluctuates, based on expansions, current population, how often people farm the item.

Being a shitsucking, broke warrior for most of my time on the server, I spent plenty of days in EQ trying to lowball people for an item and resell it higher. Why? It's fun for some of us! It's a challenge. Also, you can make money*.

At my current point, I am more like you in that I desire to gtfo EC faster, because I can make more money getting back into a camp than I can spending an hour waiting for a deal that gives me an extra 500pp. Nevertheless, if I'm in EC, and I see someone selling an item at, say 70% of what I value it, I will DEFINITELY try to buy it from them, and you know what, I will try to buy it for less. This is opportunism. Maybe that person is like you and will get pissy because in their head, they are broadcasting to the world "LOOK THIS IS THE PRICE I REALLY WANT TO SELL IT FOR."

Which is reasonable. But it's not a fixed market economy, so it presents people with a deal, which, with a simple question, could turn into a better deal! Some of us are willing to gamble with the investment, whereas people like you wanna get in, get fucked, and get out. We want to stay in the orgy.

I love the auction/haggling system. A lot of the time pieces of shit will lowball me. I can't hate too hard, I tried it for a while.

So here's a thought. If you are trying to sell, for instance, GEBs at 4.5k when you know 5k is a very common asking price, and want to cut out the haggling session (let me remind you here - a lot of people enjoy haggling - it is a far from obsolete concept), then put it up like this: WTS GEBs 4.5k FIRM - NOT GOING LOWER!! Or, to avoid EC altogether, post it to the EC tunnel forum.

Anyway

people should respond
people should be more open to the idea of haggling and not respond like an angsty 13 y.o. girl who just found out her best friend barbara sucked her boyfriend's pee-pee for an icecream cone under the campus bleachers
if you are talking to a crafter, it's safe to assume their wares are a safe price
everyone chilll the fuck out
come rub me nips

[Champion_Standing]

WTS GEBS 5k, hagglers will be /ignored

Now that's how you do it.

[Yonkec]

I didn't read any of this thread so I'm sure to contribute right now.

I am a jeweler. I sell my jewelry every time i'm logged into my toon in EC.

When someone asks me for price on something, I have never varied in the 2+ years I've played here, or hell, even when I was on Fippy.

I do NOT haggle on my jewelry prices. If I tell you something (55hp/5ac rings) cost 250pp, if you counter-offer me, I'm not going to reply. Why?

Because I used to reply. I used to reply to every single one of you mongoloids telling you why it's not worth it for me to sell it to you for 175pp. Fire opals cost 550 gold from Genni in sol-ro temple. That's 55pp, but it's more than 55pp in trouble to go get, especially considering I have to use a ton of my time. I literally buy 200 when I go because it's going to take me 2+ hours to get that many fire opals.

Not to mention, even at 55pp, the bar is ~101pp, and my failure rate (at which I spent 10k+ to get to.., plus the time) is 5%. If you want to know precisely, my raw 'cost' per ring is 165.26pp - that's not including my time to go get the non-vendor bought FO, the cost of the port to get them (which you say oh, but you get 200 - yes, which means I have 200 x 55 = 11k in assets tied up in fire opals, which is also a cost).

So you can see why I don't type it all out, or even bother. The fact that I buy 200 at a time tells you the kind of thorough-put I get on them, at the standard price of 250pp. If you don't want to pay my price that I say, just don't say anything back. I'm not ripping you off, and I understand the idea of a secondary market in a game where items never go 'no drop'. If you want to wait and find somebody that is selling their old twink gear, be my guest.

I hear you, but what happens when your co-jeweler friends try to sell their PFWRings for 275pp or 300pp each? Are we are expected to just fuck off because if that is your position you need to take a step back from this game. Or do we offer them 250pp which I agree is absolutely a reasonable price? You must admit that there are two sides to this and many sellers are just as delusional as are many prospective buyers.

Many of you are taking offense because you have met some dipshit people who do nothing but send lowball tells to people for way below a fair price. Other dipships buy items at a fair price and try to flip them for some bullshit markup.

I am here to discuss those fucknuts, not you and others who do as you do.

[August]

I hear you, but what happens when your co-jeweler friends try to sell their PFWRings for 275pp or 300pp each? Are we are expected to just fuck off because if that is your position you need to take a step back from this game. Or do we offer them 250pp which I agree is absolutely a reasonable price? You must admit that there are two sides to this and many sellers are just as delusional as are many prospective buyers.

Many of you are taking offense because you have met some dipshit people who do nothing but send lowball tells to people for way below a fair price. Other dipships buy items at a fair price and try to flip them for some bullshit markup.

I am here to discuss those fucknuts, not you and others who do as you do.

To this I say - I have been selling the JC items at the exact same price point for several years. If you are paying 275pp, 300pp, it is because you are not aware of the market. Consumers keep the market in check.

For what it's worth, I don't think 275pp or 300pp is 'out of the ballpark' for what the rings actually do for a character and their cost of acquisition.

Platinum Ruby Veils (7 str /wis) sell for 350pp alllll day long and cost me 252pp on average and I make 98pp in profit. Platinum sapphire necks (7 str / int) cost me 219pp to make and I sell them for 300pp to make a 81pp profit.

PFWR cost me 162pp and I sell them for 250pp, making me 88pp in profit. It's also way more hassle to get you a 55hp/5ac ring considering PRV/PSN are completely storebought.

I wish common sense ruled the market, but alas it does not.

[Blade]

I usually sell shit lower than normal, and I'll usually buy something even if I know it's more expensive than usual, simply because I just want to sell/buy and gtfo out of EC.

I'm the worst kind of person.

[BigHurb]

Hello,

I am not interested in Trade Etiquette



wait am i getting this wrong

[Khaleesi]

I disagree. Someone offered me 50K for a fungi and got mad that I didn't reply. I'm pretty sure he knows the going price of the fungi, so I don't reply back to egregious offers...he should know better. If I feel so offended, sometimes I'll just respond with an LOL.

You'd fail at customer relations. Great business men can talk through any situation. Ignoring someone or being rude in return means either you aren't good at what you do, or you have nothing of interest to offer.

To this I say - I have been selling the JC items at the exact same price point for several years. If you are paying 275pp, 300pp, it is because you are not aware of the market. Consumers keep the market in check.


Ignorant consumers is a massive problem in the marketplace both in-game and real world. And can you blame them? With the advent of the internet, the ease of access to find yourself buying fake, second hand or cheap products, is unavoidable.

Now add in that the game world is virtual and money is not as valued as in the real world, you have a market place of different perceptions. A lot of what you think applies in a real economy, does not have the same effect in the game world.

Point in case is your comment about how consumers keep the market in check. Have you seen the prices people pay for items that were 1/3 higher than the 'real' value? This is because they are impatient, ignorant, or can throw money away, which they wouldn't normally do.

Sellers are always going to ask extortionate prices for things, but it's the dumb buyers who set the ultimate value.


Consider the Fungi Tunic. After the King nerf, the price went up another 1/3 of it's value, from roughly 60k to 100k. Sellers do this because they consider the item more difficult to acquire. Buyers go along with this because they think it's only logical. Here's what each side fails to realize :

A) The original tunics were acquired under more favorable conditions (invis pulling). This is akin to having a gentle winter when farming. You had favorable conditions and thus reaped a good harvest. As a seller/farmer, that's a case of 'you win some, you lose some.' This should have no bearing on the market, that's expecting a long standing traditional price.

B) Sellers and buyers fall victim to this idea that the item suddenly carries more value because it's more difficult to obtain, despite it being the same item and having the same effect when using it.

C) The aspect of supply and demand is falsified here because
1. There are /were already tunics in circulation from before the nerf, this is known as aged stock. In the real world, you make every effort to shift aged stock off your shelves first and foremost to avoid risk of cost variance in the future. In the game world, not all items were bought for the purpose of reselling. Thus they have no 'owned' value and the concept of aged stock is lost on people.
2. Just because something is more difficult to obtain, does not mean it's difficult to the point where the average stock levels on the server will see a significant change - and as for this item in particular, it hasn't. EC sales have just as many Fungis now as they did before the patch.


Despite this, the price continues to be more than the item is actually worth and it's the sellers whom have dictated this, to buyers who believe it and support it by spending the asking price.

In this thread we've had people whom are in possession of aged stock, whom possibly didn't even loot it themselves (bought it cheap or got gift from friend). These same sellers will 'lol' or ignore someone requesting 50-60k for a Fungi.
Why should they now be in position to gain almost twice the item value and 100% profit for something they didn't even do? Law of averages? Luck of the draw?

Maybe, but that works both ways - stop being ignorant consumers.

[Dirtnap]

Its just easier to be a shitbag. This server is full of people who have been through the whole song and dance 1000 times, and are just plain tired of being polite. So instead they either ignore you, or try to mock you.

They assume everyone else is just like they are, a shitbag.

[Yonkec]

Despite this, the price continues to be more than the item is actually worth and it's the sellers whom have dictated this, to buyers who believe it and support it by spending the asking price.

Yeah, except there is no such thing as inherent item value with imaginary pixel items in a fantasy elf simulator. The items are worth one of two sums: 1) what an npc will buy it for 2) what the average buyer will pay you for it when you wish to sell it. If you don't like what the item is "worth" that day, you can either swallow your pride and sell it, or you can sit on it and hope that people value it more the next day.

Fungi tunics are worth EXACTLY what the average player will pay, not what the average player wishes to pay. They are not "inherently" say 50k. How can you even support that claim outside of "its my opinion"? If the buyers on this server are willing to pay 100k for a tunic nine times out of ten then tunics are worth 100k within that time frame.

There are no such thing as "aged" pixels on this server. We all know exactly what items are, where they come from, how relatively difficult they are to obtain between the "uncommon vs rare vs ultrarare" drop chance, the level of the mob, the rarity of the mob itself, the difficulty of the game, how useful or not useful the item is to the average player, how much an NPC will pay for it, how many people on the server actually want one for a main vs an alt. We know what items will upgrade them in the ONLY future expansion, we know what nerfs will or will not befall them in the future. Perhaps the ONLY thing we do not know for certain is the current total sum of a particular item, outside of some more legendary ones. There are no variables that we have not already taken into account. We are omnipotent in this, for the time being. This is not real life my friend, your intricate economic theories and concepts have no power here.

[BigHurb]

Hello,

I am still not interested in Trade Etiquette; responding per OP request.

[Smalls]

Hello,

I am still not interested in Trade Etiquette; responding per OP request.

It's fine, I bought more plat from platlord, so no need to trade anymore.

[citizen1080]

124 posts in 24 days. Well played sir

On topic: I feel a response is polite. Even if that response is not polite. I've told more than a few people to go fuck themselves, but at least I responded! But if I send someone a tell regarding a item I expect a response one way or the other. It's just good manners.

[Swish]

Too many EC fat cats in this thread butthurt over lower prices lately. Dr Swish suggests leaving EC and playing EverQuest for a while, or even going outside... even if you're using ahungry on your mobile.

[Quineloe]

You'd fail at customer relations. Great business men can talk through any situation.

To people with a moral compass, this feels like a compliment.

[Magikarp]

so much mad

i reserve the right to stop replying to whoever i want whenever i want

esp if ur price is shitty

[Supaskillz]

Smalls, advocate of ninja looting, complains about etiquette

[Kika Maslyaka]

I always respond to people even if all I say is "Sorry, No"
If they keep pestering me after that, then I ignore them (I mean stop answering, not put them on /ignore)