View Full Version : petition to keep map software off red99
no chewie dont
05-02-2014, 10:11 AM
Bluebies like you have ruined your own lands, you'll not ruin mine!:mad:
disable logging if u have to plz
Kergan
05-02-2014, 10:16 AM
Would vote yes.
If I could.
no chewie dont
05-02-2014, 10:18 AM
Its one of those poll by post things thay are all the rage right now
Can't stop this unless you stop logging..
no chewie dont
05-02-2014, 10:37 AM
This is why we cant have nice things
Aussie
05-02-2014, 10:38 AM
Whats the difference with what this utility does to someone hitting /loc and then checking that position vs a printed map?
Scikala
05-02-2014, 10:40 AM
Looking away from your computer, slight afk and getting ganked? haha....I think?
no chewie dont
05-02-2014, 10:40 AM
One is classic and the other isnt...
srs?
Rettj
05-02-2014, 10:48 AM
Whats the difference with what this utility does to someone hitting /loc and then checking that position vs a printed map?
Lol?
LulzSect
05-02-2014, 11:00 AM
http://mixedreality.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/SGVhack18.gif
heartbrand
05-02-2014, 11:08 AM
o man first lulz post that ever made me laugh
Not_Kazowi
05-02-2014, 11:12 AM
Whats the difference with what this utility does to someone hitting /loc and then checking that position vs a printed map?
Forces people to learn zones which is important in pvp. You don't want to be pvping with someone on your team who relies on a map to figure out their location.
On blue this may be alright because there is no sense of urgency, but on red it isn't.
Also: not classic
LulzSect
05-02-2014, 11:14 AM
o man first lulz post that ever made me laugh
http://bks5.books.google.com/books?id=XxHfAAAACAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&imgtk=AFLRE72DmNOmCJmQNdl8Z1wlzDy2aso7UzfZK6HtHSY-XyO2wuvocLW71F1lgocv9UKbplxVCF746h8m_sw527HH24O9Gr 7UV_Ug1-1ISOjbPEIKq-2iFAOZiMbjqGc7DuKliyq7MisQ
Azure
05-02-2014, 11:24 AM
sad thing is this application was prob written using 1999's technology
chewie doesn't know computers, could easily be done with visual basic 4.0
chewie's and most of ya'lls insanity is in thinking you can 'force' players to play better thru pvp or other means.
only thing that will make players play better is players themselves wanting to play better
IMO we should disable pvp on chewie so he l2playnicer/better with others, then maybe he will factor in at some point on the server rather then just being in guk and mad
imagine a world were chewie would have to learn to make other players pvp for him indirectly
no chewie dont
05-02-2014, 11:37 AM
What the fuck are babbling about? Nvm im sure its retarded dont bother explaining
Azure
05-02-2014, 11:39 AM
logic
LulzSect
05-02-2014, 11:42 AM
http://www.gifgifgifgifgif.com/gif/565.gif
I mean it won't help that much.. on red your better off not using it, unless there is a way not to share your loc globally...
http://www.gifgifgifgifgif.com/gif/565.gif
feelsgoodman
Bardalicious
05-02-2014, 11:56 AM
It seems like something similar to this was around in 2000ish as well. But then again so was offset hacking, thanks especially to guys like soulzek and tux back then.
It's a neat loophole to the rules and it's cool that Deru has given a seal of approval, but honestly, they might as well re-enable in-game mapping if this is staff-condoned.
Biaxil
05-02-2014, 12:06 PM
One is classic and the other isnt...
srs?
Bardalicious
05-02-2014, 12:08 PM
Parsing the log file for information is certainly classic.
Rallyd
05-02-2014, 12:29 PM
Bind /loc to movements, parse log file real-time, update parse real-time to server, do this with entire guild, allow guild to log into server and view locations of all guild members, instant harry potter maps!
Dacuk
05-02-2014, 12:35 PM
Bluebies like you have ruined your own lands, you'll not ruin mine!:mad:
disable logging if u have to plz
didnt you quit? why do u care
mtb tripper
05-02-2014, 12:53 PM
Whats the difference with what this utility does to someone hitting /loc and then checking that position vs a printed map?
shits classic tho
MC Epic
05-02-2014, 12:55 PM
Bind /loc to movements, parse log file real-time, update parse real-time to server, do this with entire guild, allow guild to log into server and view locations of all guild members, instant harry potter maps!
Easy to do. If this is srsly staff condoned, I could build something like this and highlight specific characters to make it easy to follow the MAs, for instance. "Soandso is right here" would take on a new meaning.
It would be heavily imbalancing to the spirit of EQ PvP.
I think staff need to look closely at this can of worms before opening it.
If your going to allow this type of mapping solution, why not just enable in game maps?
Mesochrist
Azrael
BigHurb
05-02-2014, 12:56 PM
no chewie stop noooo
hey buddy i been workin on the farm past few days, too tired to log in. should have some time soon, going out of town tomorrow though..
on the plus side, the sour diesel and g13 kush starts look good
BigHurb
05-02-2014, 12:57 PM
these guys dont know what its like to live in a state where you are granted your god given right to use cannabis... liberty feels good, i suggest other states try it. slavery is bad mmmkay
no chewie dont
05-02-2014, 01:05 PM
didnt you quit? why do u care
Aren't you a complete nobody? Why are u addressing me
Agatha
05-02-2014, 01:08 PM
unless there is a way not to share your loc globally...
heh heh heh, you mean like a server that would compile all the logs that every user that is logged into and sends back to the user, basically a real time map of all you're friends...
no, no that certainly doesn't exist.
P.S. the log based maping thing has been around for a while, and if you ask jupe for his updated better one im sure he will give it to you. I personally don't run it though.
no chewie dont
05-02-2014, 01:11 PM
heh heh heh, you mean like a server that would compile all the logs that every user that is logged into and sends back to the user, basically a real time map of all you're friends...
no, no that certainly doesn't exist.
P.S. the log based maping thing has been around for a while, and if you ask jupe for his updated better one im sure he will give it to you. I personally don't run it though.
Always knew you two were cheating meatballs, gtfo
Dacuk
05-02-2014, 01:12 PM
Aren't you a complete nobody? Why are u addressing me
i may be a nobody, but at least im not a crybaby bitch that is obviously way too immersed in this game that sheds tears all over the forums 24/7.
Rettj
05-02-2014, 01:15 PM
heh heh heh, you mean like a server that would compile all the logs that every user that is logged into and sends back to the user, basically a real time map of all you're friends...
no, no that certainly doesn't exist.
P.S. the log based maping thing has been around for a while, and if you ask jupe for his updated better one im sure he will give it to you. I personally don't run it though.
Yikes
Do people not get how this will end up working?
The only people that will show up on the maps are the ones running it. You won't see people who aren't running the logging tool. That's some harry potter type shit.
If you run this on red I'd say you're pretty stupid, unless he builds it in a way your logs could go somewhere privately.. like for a group or guild.. but yea who knows.
no chewie dont
05-02-2014, 01:21 PM
Yeah only share hacks with guildies to loosely paraphrase vile
Yeah only share hacks with guildies to loosely paraphrase vile
Not sure how this is a hack?
You can share your /loc with anyone you want, whenever you want.
Just because someone is building a tool to overlay the data onto a map != a hack.
As said previously, this could have been easily done in 1999... the logic behind it is very simple.
I await your jimmies to be rustled, followed by a TLDR.
See ya around Chewster..
BigHurb
05-02-2014, 01:28 PM
i may be a nobody, but at least im not a crybaby bitch that is obviously way too immersed in this game that sheds tears all over the forums 24/7.
well you sound like a bloody vagina
BigHurb
05-02-2014, 01:29 PM
Yeah only share hacks with guildies to loosely paraphrase vile
welcome to p99
no chewie dont
05-02-2014, 01:29 PM
Vile, next time nirgons suckin your dick I hope he uses too much teeth for your unclassic views
Vile, next time nirgons suckin your dick I hope he uses too much teeth for your unclassic views
Made me lol..
It's all good Chewster!
Chronoburn
05-02-2014, 02:15 PM
classic ..
http://i.imgur.com/U6Mnux7.gif
Softcore PK
05-02-2014, 02:24 PM
I'm chronically lost, in game and IRL. Often the only reason I made it to raids on time on live was because Selo's. But I probably won't be able to figure out how to make this map thing work, especially while playing on OSX. Why allow an advantage to some but not all?
In-game maps++
Nig really lost his shit over +/- 4?
Potus
05-02-2014, 02:33 PM
While we are at can we please ban all non-classic UIs?
Sick of seeing these people with automated shit telling them when someone new zones in.
no chewie dont
05-02-2014, 02:43 PM
Game genie was around at the same time as sega
doesnt mean id wanna play mortal kombat against a cheater
rollin5k
05-02-2014, 02:46 PM
Down with map hack. shouldn't be supported imo.
Byrjun
05-02-2014, 02:57 PM
Also: not classic
Stop making this argument for everything you don't like.
The logging feature has always been in the game, and software that parses logs existed in classic.
(and if you really wanted classic everyone would just be using SEQ anyways)
I've actually developed a tic while im eqing that'll spam /zone for me without noticing
irl hacks
Rettj
05-02-2014, 03:10 PM
classic ..
http://i.imgur.com/U6Mnux7.gif
Show EQ is legal on r99
Eslade
05-02-2014, 03:17 PM
if there's something the staff can do to disable this, that would be awesome. if you can't read a simple y, x coordinate system then you deserve to get lost.
chew crying havin a hard time killin bluebies lol.
bloobs need every single advantage they can get they are easy enough to kill already.
prob should just give them the basic in game maps i need more of a challenge myself
HippoNipple
05-02-2014, 03:37 PM
Sounds lame but probably not any worse than allowing people to have custom UIs giving them extra hot keys, etc. As long as the maps only show the users location I don't really care.
no chewie dont
05-02-2014, 03:53 PM
chew crying havin a hard time killin bluebies lol.
bloobs need every single advantage they can get they are easy enough to kill already.
prob should just give them the basic in game maps i need more of a challenge myself
Being banned isnt a challenge enough?
no chewie dont
05-02-2014, 03:56 PM
Reminder: Maps were intentionally removed. Working around this via 3rd party software is 100% cheating. Keep that weak shit on blue idgaf
MC Epic
05-02-2014, 03:56 PM
I don't see a way staff could control this other than setting policy. Technically, using log parser has never drawn much attention as "third party programs". However, adding mapping to the equation is just a way to bypass something server staff already decided to remove from the client, and therefore my opinion is strongly of the "this is wrong" variety.
It would not be difficult to add a plugin to EQwatcher to send loc readings from multiple clients to a central mapping server, and then throw the whole thing on the Web behind a login for guild use.
So: at what point on the scale does this become a "cheat"?
Set policy against it, IMHO. It's not hard to look at p99 wiki and figure out where you are/need to be. Mapping software to circumvent the purposeful removal of a EQ client feature _is_ a third party software cheat.
phacemeltar
05-02-2014, 03:57 PM
chewie i dont know you but based on what you spew on the forums, players broadcasting their /loc on the interwebs to be easily retrieved by griefers/campers seems like something you would enjoy... if you had the technology
EDIT: especially since the source code is freely available, and most users will not change anything
no chewie dont
05-02-2014, 03:58 PM
If wanted to play hackfest non classic eq id go to a hackfest nonclassic server nameen
phacemeltar
05-02-2014, 04:00 PM
once xenow reads this im sure he will implement some changes
phacemeltar
05-02-2014, 04:02 PM
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/048/9/2/__it__s_a_trap___badge_by_kevinbolk-d39rd83.jpg
Agatha
05-02-2014, 04:02 PM
you guys are way to worried about stuff that skirts the MQ/showeq policy by using log based systems, you guys should be way more worried about like 3 or 4 of the ultra spergs here distroing undetectable MQ's.
Agatha
05-02-2014, 04:04 PM
from just playing recently, i see that a few people have gotten there hands on a tool that makes ghosting easyer, instead of the old method, they now have a tool bar slowing down the packets. which make it way better than just unplugging.
(you know who you are, can never hit you during a joust) pretty sure its hotkeyed to your joust macro
phacemeltar
05-02-2014, 04:05 PM
isnt hacking p99 a good way to get a permaban?
dethbringre
05-02-2014, 04:05 PM
I vote to keep maps OUT of Red. The damn game has been out for 15 years, if you haven't figured dungeons out by now.. eqatlas.com is all ya need :)
no chewie dont
05-02-2014, 04:09 PM
Anyone using/planning to use this let me know so I can blacklist you. Includes flowers, friends, whatever. No ports no rezzes no groups nothing
Agatha
05-02-2014, 04:10 PM
i have never used the loc maps thing, but it's not my fault my brother helped dev it.
crying about maps is pretty lol
SamwiseRed
05-02-2014, 04:16 PM
dont care about it but wont be using it either. gonna be interesting when a guild requires it so they can track you. didnt nilly already require logs to see who was afking during raids lol
Agatha
05-02-2014, 04:19 PM
i run gamparse during my exp grps and kick the retards who dont hit BS out. guilty of that.
SamwiseRed
05-02-2014, 04:20 PM
if you kick me in game you are gonna have to fite me in real life.
Skittlez
05-02-2014, 05:54 PM
If you play in windowed mode, could you bind your loc key, whatever that may be, to display the map over the EQ window? Maybe with some transparency settings for ultimate mapquest.
MC Epic
05-02-2014, 06:05 PM
i have never used the loc maps thing, but it's not my fault my brother helped dev it.
This attitude is why we can't have nice things.
At some point, the community has to realize we can't rely on server staff to make an enjoyable sandbox... we have to do it ourselves.
If my brother was working on something like this, I'd tell him "what a waste of time, go get a fucking job instead".
Recycled Children
05-02-2014, 06:14 PM
This attitude is why we can't have nice things.
At some point, the community has to realize we can't rely on server staff to make an enjoyable sandbox... we have to do it ourselves.
If my brother was working on something like this, I'd tell him "what a waste of time, go get a fucking job instead".
You're posting on a video game forum? What a waste of time, go get a fucking job instead.
See how stupid that sounds when you reverse the spotlight of criticism. Calm down Free Time Cop and stop trying to police what everyone does with their leisure by putting down what they do with it.
MC Epic
05-02-2014, 06:16 PM
You're posting on a video game forum? What a waste of time, go get a fucking job instead..
Unless i'm posting while at my job? :)
Rettj
05-02-2014, 06:17 PM
You're posting on a video game forum? What a waste of time, go get a fucking job instead.
See how stupid that sounds when you reverse the spotlight of criticism. Calm down Free Time Cop and stop trying to police what everyone does with their leisure by putting down what they do with it.
Lol free time cop
MC Epic
05-02-2014, 06:21 PM
But seriously, if I brought up in Teamspeak that I was going to take this mapping software, add a log parser plugin ODBC to a central database with different users, and then throw up a Harry Potter map on a web server for everyone in the guild to use (and see each other on)...
I fully expect to be kicked out of Teamspeak!
It's pretty sad that a chunk of the community sees nothing wrong with this, IMHO.
Recycled Children
05-02-2014, 06:28 PM
But seriously, if I brought up in Teamspeak that I was going to take this mapping software, add a log parser plugin ODBC to a central database with different users, and then throw up a Harry Potter map on a web server for everyone in the guild to use (and see each other on)...
I fully expect to be kicked out of Teamspeak!
It's pretty sad that a chunk of the community sees nothing wrong with this, IMHO.
I admire your creativity it's too bad your Teamspeak buddies don't. Get back to work chump.
I admire your creativity it's too bad your Teamspeak buddies don't. Get back to work chump.
you have no idea what you just did to your reputation
Xantille
05-02-2014, 06:34 PM
from just playing recently, i see that a few people have gotten there hands on a tool that makes ghosting easyer, instead of the old method, they now have a tool bar slowing down the packets. which make it way better than just unplugging.
(you know who you are, can never hit you during a joust) pretty sure its hotkeyed to your joust macro
lol
Rettj
05-02-2014, 06:34 PM
But seriously, if I brought up in Teamspeak that I was going to take this mapping software, add a log parser plugin ODBC to a central database with different users, and then throw up a Harry Potter map on a web server for everyone in the guild to use (and see each other on)...
I fully expect to be kicked out of Teamspeak!
It's pretty sad that a chunk of the community sees nothing wrong with this, IMHO.
Lite has 5 clients opened on 5 virtual machines
Take your head out of your ass
SamwiseRed
05-02-2014, 06:38 PM
only 5? newb
MC Epic
05-02-2014, 06:48 PM
OK and while we're at it:
We can pinpoint enemy locations on the Harry Potter map by parsing the Main Assist melee along with the /loc settings.
We can also make a parser plugin to send key-strokes... no need for MQ here!
We can automate CH rotations with that. An obvious must-have for Velious right?
Let's use that same plugin to refresh clickies whenever you're dispelled... no need for human reflexes when you have a log parser!
Let's add a mouse macro to auto-swap weapons (simply using X Y screen coordinate clicks).
How about we use that to also auto-swap potions and click them for you?
Are we playing WOW yet?
Azure
05-02-2014, 07:04 PM
IMO would be nice if YT tracked where and what zone /loc wise so we could compile a kewl battle map of battles that would play back server events in real time with neato CGI graphics from a 1980's movie
loramin
05-02-2014, 07:20 PM
OK and while we're at it:
We can pinpoint enemy locations on the Harry Potter map by parsing the Main Assist melee along with the /loc settings.
We can also make a parser plugin to send key-strokes... no need for MQ here!
We can automate CH rotations with that. An obvious must-have for Velious right?
Let's use that same plugin to refresh clickies whenever you're dispelled... no need for human reflexes when you have a log parser!
Let's add a mouse macro to auto-swap weapons (simply using X Y screen coordinate clicks).
How about we use that to also auto-swap potions and click them for you?
Are we playing WOW yet?
None of that will ever happen here. Why? Because everything on your list except the map app is a HACK: all of them would require automated interaction with the EQ client to work. The map app doesn't, which is why it is 100% classic, endorsed by the GMs, and not stoppable by the GMs even if they wanted to.
MC Epic
05-02-2014, 07:23 PM
nope; none of that would require any program direct interaction with eqclient.exe (like MQ withoffset hacking).
Eqclient will accept a keystroke, whether it's from a keyboard or something else - i.e. keyboard macros, autohotkey, etc.
It would also accept mouse clicks at x/y axis coordinates, whether from a mouse or something else.
Giovanni
05-02-2014, 07:26 PM
Whats the difference with what this utility does to someone hitting /loc and then checking that position vs a printed map?
Answer: You can't balance your checkbook with a map.
Any pals need help getting a better "overview of your financial position"?
http://i.imgur.com/6TKgBLs.jpg
Smedy
05-02-2014, 07:27 PM
we have much work to do meso, its time to automate this shit, imagine sitting at work reading nihilum tears when our bots are raping them
hoho
no srsly, brogean.dll ban all bad people who use map , ty <3
Bamz4l
05-02-2014, 07:30 PM
these guys dont know what its like to live in a state where you are granted your god given right to use cannabis... liberty feels good, i suggest other states try it. slavery is bad mmmkay
u allowed to grow too, or is that only in Alaska?
Rystar
05-02-2014, 07:51 PM
OK and while we're at it:
We can pinpoint enemy locations on the Harry Potter map by parsing the Main Assist melee along with the /loc settings.
We can also make a parser plugin to send key-strokes... no need for MQ here!
We can automate CH rotations with that. An obvious must-have for Velious right?
Let's use that same plugin to refresh clickies whenever you're dispelled... no need for human reflexes when you have a log parser!
Let's add a mouse macro to auto-swap weapons (simply using X Y screen coordinate clicks).
How about we use that to also auto-swap potions and click them for you?
Are we playing WOW yet?
Are you crying about this because it would be more available to everyone vs the few who go the extra mile? I mean everything you are saying is already happening with a hand full of players.
P.S. Who gives a shit about maps, all the PvP happens in like 6-7 zones 95% of the time, and until a anti plug code right at the zone lines. Dont need a map to figure that shit out. Lets not make this bigger than it really is.
MC Epic
05-02-2014, 08:12 PM
Where, oh where should we draw the line then, oh massah Rystar?
I'm well aware of a certain rogue who has used things I mentioned above to swap items in jousts for an advantage. Incidentally, there were bans following that, for related offences.
My point is... if those "handful of of players" "who go the extra mile" were told by their peers that this was uncool behaviour and not tolerated, they'd quit the bad behaviour or quit the game (-1 toxic player, yay).
However, if the opposite happens, where instead the peers look the other way (or even adopt the "extra mile" that the "handful of players" have implemented), we fall into a downward spiral of: game-genie or don't compete.
In-short: throw away the game genie and
http://winthecustomer.com/wp-content/uploads/customer-service-skill-up.jpg
Pudge
05-02-2014, 08:15 PM
haven't read much of this thread. saw the one about the "map" software though. think it's ghey. i'll never use it.
1 reason to not care: is everyone going to have a dual monitor setup so that you can look at the map while you strafe run in pvp? No.
but the reason why it's ghey: if your entire guild uploads their location to a server, and the server relays the info back to everyone in guild (yea, the developer talked about this) then you can see yourself as well as all your guildmates running around on an overhead view of the map. and that shit is just retarded, when you consider PVP. then you'll have ppl trying ot hack / spy on map locations, guys who can't remember shit about the terrain just bee-lining towards their guildmates (who don't even need to describe their location), etc.
So i support disabling / making illegal this kind of thing. I don't know if it's possible to.. monitor the monitoring of the logfile? or just monitor whether this software is running on the PC (rogean's antihax are powerful, just to give you bros the inside scoop). So please, I vote to make this shit illegal on R99. It's just.............. NOT CLASSIC
Rettj
05-02-2014, 08:40 PM
Answer: You can't balance your checkbook with a map.
Any pals need help getting a better "overview of your financial position"?
http://i.imgur.com/6TKgBLs.jpg
Thanks for helping me get rid of my debt!
Azure
05-02-2014, 08:53 PM
grimtoad is pretty bad hacker and trainer of mobs like a pve bluebie, def need to ban his mapping software
Recycled Children
05-02-2014, 08:54 PM
you have no idea what you just did to your reputation
What have I done? All this stuff sounds fascinating.
Bardalicious
05-02-2014, 09:17 PM
nope; none of that would require any program direct interaction with eqclient.exe (like MQ withoffset hacking).
Eqclient will accept a keystroke, whether it's from a keyboard or something else - i.e. keyboard macros, autohotkey, etc.
It would also accept mouse clicks at x/y axis coordinates, whether from a mouse or something else.
Lol. Good luck with that buddy. You're making a pretty far reach from data parsing and display to in-game manipulation via software keystroke emulation.
Damage parsers: classic and legal.
Game text triggers: classic and legal.
Leaderboards: classic and legal.
Mapper app: classic and legal.
It's funny that the first three listed haven't had a public outcry against them yet they are exactly the same thing.
Personally, if it were up to me, we'd all be playing on Pentium 3 machines running Windows 98, 3dfx voodoo graphics cards and shitty dialup that cut out every few hours. But that's not realistic and this isn't fucking 1999 where nobody knows that 15_year_old_dragon023 drops 15_year_old_pixel132 from killing it 3219 times before.
SamwiseRed
05-02-2014, 09:18 PM
people use game text triggers on here?
yall sneaky mother fuckers.
Bardalicious
05-02-2014, 09:23 PM
Pretty good way to keep a visual reminder of the server tick imo.
MC Epic
05-02-2014, 09:33 PM
You're making a pretty far reach from data parsing and display to in-game manipulation via software keystroke emulation.
Never said anything about in-game manipulation.
Not hard to make a macro for left mouse click on screen at X=1540 Y=620 to pick up an item from a bag, left mouse click on screen at X= 540 Y=1000 to drop it in an inventory slot, right click X=540 Y=1000, etc etc etc. The same macro clicks the same spots in Microsoft Excel; has nothing to do with eqgame.
Anyhow, this is getting silly. Say "no" to Mapper app.
SamwiseRed
05-02-2014, 09:38 PM
/tin foil hat
does nilly already use something like this? i remember logging into TT to pvp one day and mendan or someone else said look at the guild map idiot to some other nilly. i didnt think much of it, thought it was some stupid map eldermoran made but maybe, just maybe this shit already up and running..
http://sandiegofreepress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/conspiracy.jpg
SamwiseRed
05-02-2014, 09:39 PM
*said in say, i happen to log in near them.
questions must be answered. what is this "guild map"
Rettj
05-02-2014, 09:55 PM
Guild map is the cloth map of norrath circa 1999
Guild req to post your clothie pinned to wall near monitor
Helps reduce muster time
SamwiseRed
05-02-2014, 09:56 PM
sounds pretty cool, can i join?
Rettj
05-02-2014, 10:03 PM
got prof?
thugcruncher
05-03-2014, 07:19 AM
While we are at can we please ban all non-classic UIs?
Sick of seeing these people with automated shit telling them when someone new zones in.
can we also ban resolutions higher than 640x480 if your enemy is larger than a pixel it's an unfair advantage and you need to eat a banhammer
JPMorgan
05-03-2014, 07:26 AM
Guild map is the cloth map of norrath circa 1999
Guild req to post your clothie pinned to wall near monitor
Helps reduce muster time
That is actually pretty cool in a nerdy, club-house, what's the password, ziggy-zoggy-ziigy-zoggy oy, oy, oy kind of way.
LostCause
05-03-2014, 07:59 AM
wait people are so bad they need maps?
no chewie dont
05-03-2014, 02:33 PM
wtb gm feedback
Softcore PK
05-03-2014, 02:35 PM
A REAL GM tho
Ouch, poor Gryk and Aussie :(
no chewie dont
05-03-2014, 03:05 PM
Whats the difference with what this utility does to someone hitting /loc and then checking that position vs a printed map?
:confused::confused::confused::confused:
yeh wuts the diff? lul
Rallyd
05-03-2014, 06:16 PM
Would never be used in this way though, because no matter what you do to try and secure something like this, it will leak out, and the enemy having the maps is worse than you having them.
Reguiy
05-03-2014, 06:25 PM
i may be a nobody, but at least im not a crybaby bitch that is obviously way too immersed in this game that sheds tears all over the forums 24/7.
Bahaha! This guy just won forumquest.
Clark
05-03-2014, 09:30 PM
This is why we cant have nice things
Lol
no chewie dont
05-05-2014, 08:31 AM
bump, any GMs awake that give a shit? open your eyes
August
05-05-2014, 06:49 PM
How would you propose banning a piece of software that only interacts with EQ via a logging (.txt) file?
Ignorance is bliss, eh?
MC Epic
05-05-2014, 07:08 PM
How would you propose banning a piece of software that only interacts with EQ via a logging (.txt) file?
Ignorance is bliss, eh?
Not sure if you followed the whole thread up until now, but I tried to bring up the idea for COMMUNITY to police ourselves.
I'm not talking about running to a GM to ban everyone you think breaks the rules; we've had enough of that on this server for a lifetime, and in fact I don't want to see anyone get banned (we're trying to promote server growth, not the opposite).
I'm talking about community standing up and saying "NO" to the use of third-party programs which provide an unintended advantage (by circumventing the purposeful removal of maps from the eqgame client) .
The very small portion of the player-base who currently indulge in these programs would quit if their peers stood up against it. The problem is if the offender's peers are inclined to "look the other way", or join the bad behaviour. Thus follows the downward spiral of cheat or be cheated.
Rogean has already set down the law with third party programs.
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2651
It's up to us, the community, to uphold the spirit of the rules; to stand up to the rule-breakers and refuse to associate with them unless they play legit.
August
05-05-2014, 07:13 PM
Not sure if you followed the whole thread up until now, but I tried to bring up the idea for COMMUNITY to police ourselves.
I'm not talking about running to a GM to ban everyone you think breaks the rules; we've had enough of that on this server for a lifetime, and in fact I don't want to see anyone get banned (we're trying to promote server growth, not the opposite).
I'm talking about community standing up and saying "NO" to the use of third-party programs which provide an unintended advantage (by circumventing the purposeful removal of maps from the eqgame client) .
The very small portion of the player-base who currently indulge in these programs would quit if their peers stood up against it. The problem is if the offender's peers are inclined to "look the other way", or join the bad behaviour. Thus follows the downward spiral of cheat or be cheated.
Rogean has already set down the law with third party programs.
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2651
It's up to us, the community, to uphold the spirit of the rules; to stand up to the rule-breakers and refuse to associate with them unless they play legit.
It's not providing any advantage undue to anyone else unless you consider using the wiki w/ it's maps and loc-grids as also unfair. This is literally just taking that map, and putting you on it instead of you looking at the numbers to figure it out.
Also, how would you enforce people using it / not using it? There is no way to tell.
3rd party programs typically interact with the program they are hacking either by injection or by man-in-the-middle. This does neither.
What you're suggesting is the equivalent of everyone refusing to use the wiki
MC Epic
05-05-2014, 07:26 PM
It's not providing any advantage undue to anyone else unless you consider using the wiki w/ it's maps and loc-grids as also unfair. This is literally just taking that map, and putting you on it instead of you looking at the numbers to figure it out.
It's providing a huge advantage. You are artificially circumventing the need to learn how to navigate zones, learn how to use /loc with map.
It takes a GREAT amount of time to learn every zone.
It's also EASY to get lost in the chaos of PvP; especially if you don't know the zone.
In the heat of PvP, there is NO WAY you can /loc and navigate your way on a map.
HOWEVER, with a 3rd party cheat, you can just have a live updated map of the zone and your location, and NEVER get lost.
Just Yondered half a zone away? NO WORRIES just glance over at your other monitor for your EXACT location.....
This doesn't sound like an unfair advantage to you?
Also, how would you enforce people using it / not using it? There is no way to tell.
I beg to differ. Already in this thread alone, Agatha has called out Jupe for developing this program. People talk, and let things slip. _All the time_.
3rd party programs typically interact with the program they are hacking either by injection or by man-in-the-middle. This does neither.
It's not your typical cheat? So? That fact doesn't change that it circumvents a feature which was purposefully removed from the client. I've already detailed many ways to use logging parser plug-ins to re-create MQ2 functionality... are those not cheats, simply because they don't use the most common methods of doing so?
What you're suggesting is the equivalent of everyone refusing to use the wiki
This is a large leap; I did not infer any such similarity.
On Wiki, YOU have to figure out your location, figure out your direction, and plot your course. With a 3rd party mapping program, you don't have to do any such thing.
Further, if you get attacked and run off to get lost in Emerald Jungle with me hot on your tail, I WELCOME you to alt tab to Wiki with your /loc and plot your escape.
//edited a spelling mistake.
MC Epic
05-05-2014, 07:30 PM
Guild PvP advantage:
Everyone uses this mapper app. Now, Officers call certain muster points, or target locations on the map... and what would otherwise take SKILL and KNOWLEDGE of a zone simply takes a second monitor.
Honestly, WHY do you think this type of program has been developed, except to obtain an artificial advantage in the "grey area" of /log parsing third party programs.
Agatha
05-05-2014, 07:40 PM
running game parsers, mq, and 3rd party programs are as classic as u can get sadly to say.
MC Epic
05-05-2014, 07:41 PM
running game parsers, mq, and 3rd party programs are as classic as u can get sadly to say.
Is that supposed to be a relevant argument?
August
05-05-2014, 07:42 PM
So what you're saying is, you want the barrier to entry on red to be even greater because you want to enforce having a lexical knowledge of every zone to be competitive?
It would only be unfair if I wrote the program and used it only for myself.
Anything that is not modifying the client is not a hack. If you can create MQ2 functionality from a log, then I'm assuming it's not doing anything that would be considered cheating.
Ames who?
05-05-2014, 07:49 PM
running game parsers, mq, and 3rd party programs are as classic as u can get sadly to say.
It is sad 2 say***
dem drugs
Rettj
05-05-2014, 08:04 PM
A real GM tho
MC Epic
05-05-2014, 08:43 PM
So what you're saying is, you want the barrier to entry on red to be even greater
Forgive the cut-sentence quote, but there is no barrier to entry on red. Quite the opposite, there is a stimulus to entry on red.
because you want to enforce having a lexical knowledge of every zone to be competitive?
EverQuest is ALL ABOUT that lexical knowledge. On both servers, it's what guilds wipe over and over again to acquire when facing new raid encounters. On both servers, it's what makes the difference between someone who is a Pro at his class versus one who got PowerLeveled to 60 and never learned the nuances of how to play. On both servers, learning these things is the point of playing the game, and what makes it such a great game.
On red, there are many things to learn about every aspect of the game: how spells differ in PvP to PvE, how to use terrain and mobs to your advantage in PvP, maintaining buff order, how to react to different PvP situations, and YES: How to navigate zones without need for a map!
What I'm saying has nothing to do with what "I want". Third-party programs are against server rules. Period. Mapping functionality was purposefully removed from the client. Period. Using a third-party application to circumvent that fact is a violation of the spirit of server rules set forth by Rogean. Period.
Having said that, I will definitely and without remorse concede that "I want" to play on a legit server without third party hacks.
It would only be unfair if I wrote the program and used it only for myself.
Beautifully flawed logic.
Anything that is not modifying the client is not a hack. If you can create MQ2 functionality from a log, then I'm assuming it's not doing anything that would be considered cheating.
Respectfully, you are wrong. Also with respect, I must decide to not describe in detail (any more then I already have) the ways to cheat without hooking into the eqgame.exe client.
Rettj
05-05-2014, 08:44 PM
Ban Mc epic for hacking and bragging
We don't like ur kind round hur boy
MC Epic
05-05-2014, 08:45 PM
/golf clap
August
05-05-2014, 08:51 PM
If there wasn't a barrier of entry to red, you guys would be flush in population to Blue.
"Also with respect, I must decide to not describe in detail (any more then I already have) the ways to cheat without hooking into the eqgame.exe client. "
Uh-huh.
MC Epic
05-05-2014, 09:04 PM
If there wasn't a barrier of entry to red, you guys would be flush in population to Blue.
There have historically been many barriers to entry on red. Recent changes to server code and policy have eliminated or addressed these.
Not having a map hack has NEVER been a barrier to entry on red.
"Also with respect, I must decide to not describe in detail (any more then I already have) the ways to cheat without hooking into the eqgame.exe client. "
Uh-huh.
Please read the whole thread, and then form an intelligent reply.
no chewie dont
05-05-2014, 09:06 PM
So what you're saying is, you want the barrier to entry on red to be even greater because you want to enforce having a lexical knowledge of every zone to be competitive?
It would only be unfair if I wrote the program and used it only for myself.
Anything that is not modifying the client is not a hack. If you can create MQ2 functionality from a log, then I'm assuming it's not doing anything that would be considered cheating.
ur terrible
stay on blue
Agatha
05-05-2014, 09:15 PM
i have been just making shit up for the passed 3 pages, i apologize. Got carried away.
MC Epic
05-05-2014, 09:19 PM
http://i.imgur.com/ZMnmWN7.png
HippoNipple
05-05-2014, 09:50 PM
Is Cast back?
Sheriff
05-05-2014, 10:02 PM
i have been just making shit up for the passed 3 pages, i apologize. Got carried away.
What's new?
mrproudbeard
05-05-2014, 10:28 PM
ITT mad poor people who can't afford a 2nd monitor.
Aenor
05-06-2014, 06:29 AM
i have never used the loc maps thing, but it's not my fault my brother helped dev it.
So the shitty necro I owned repeatedly with a mage 6 levels lower develops hacks. /shocked
no chewie dont
05-06-2014, 09:11 AM
if they wanted us to use maps they wouldn't have disabled maps
Sheriff
05-06-2014, 10:27 AM
if they wanted us to use maps they wouldn't have disabled maps
Sound logic here pals.
Eslade
05-06-2014, 10:29 AM
if they wanted us to use maps they wouldn't have disabled maps
I won't use the app if only because I know how to read a damn map like a man.
Rettj
05-06-2014, 11:36 AM
does it have text to speech technology like a garmin?
August
05-06-2014, 11:59 AM
ur terrible
stay on blue
I was just about to roll Red until I saw this. Now I'm too offended.
God isn't it terrible when people who don't play on your server come in to your server's chat and try to force an ill-planned agenda? /boggle.
Sheriff
05-06-2014, 12:03 PM
I was just about to roll Red until I saw this. Now I'm too offended.
God isn't it terrible when people who don't play on your server come in to your server's chat and try to force an ill-planned agenda? /boggle.
You mad?
I was just about to roll Red until I saw this. Now I'm too offended.
God isn't it terrible when people who don't play on your server come in to your server's chat and try to force an ill-planned agenda? /boggle.
:p
MC Epic
05-06-2014, 12:28 PM
God isn't it terrible when people who don't play on your server come in to your server's chat and try to force an ill-planned agenda? /boggle.
Yup, you should try playing here for a year, and THEN feel free to come to server chat and attempt to force an ill-planned agenda.
See you then!
(no hard feelings towards the ignorants - feel free to /tell mesochrist if you need any newbie starting weapon).
EDIT: ^^ As long as you commit to not use 3rd party programs! Otherwise, I have no interest to help you.
I mean it won't help that much.. on red your better off not using it, unless there is a way not to share your loc globally...
There is a way to not share your loc globally. Basically, do NOTHING AT ALL, since your loc isn't shared globally.
There is a way to not share your loc globally. Basically, do NOTHING AT ALL, since your loc isn't shared globally.
That's what I amm saying.. people are thinking this is going to be some global map of everyone on the server.. whether they're running the app or not...
Silent
05-06-2014, 04:40 PM
Yeah because lets all compare ShowEQ to a simple VB program, I don't see pc/npc names, hp, levels, designations on this do you?
http://i.imgur.com/pDJ8B40.png
This simply parses a log file to look for a string for location(requires /log enabled, and you to keep using /loc in game to update your location) which then shows you on EQ-made maps where you are via a square color in relation to the zone. It doesn't inject into memory nor is it considered hacking. The GM's gave the greenlight that it was safe to use and would not be considered a hack long ago. This has been around for nearly a year, And honestly I don't even use it anymore because it was intended to help people who do not know their way around certain zones.
Chewie and anyone else who thinks this is 'hacking' is just plain stupid, it was created to help players find their way around nothing more. Once they learn how to get through a zone enough times they do not need it anymore.
Clearly this below is NOT legit amirite
classic ..
http://i.imgur.com/U6Mnux7.gif
Agatha
05-06-2014, 04:45 PM
push whistle so dirty. fuck sniffin packets, u can get everything u need from ingame.
LulzSect
05-06-2014, 04:47 PM
maps are for vaginas
MC Epic
05-06-2014, 05:09 PM
This simply parses a log file to look for a string for location(requires /log enabled, and you to keep using /loc in game to update your location) which then shows you on EQ-made maps where you are via a square color in relation to the zone. It doesn't inject into memory nor is it considered hacking. The GM's gave the greenlight that it was safe to use and would not be considered a hack long ago. This has been around for nearly a year, And honestly I don't even use it anymore because it was intended to help people who do not know their way around certain zones.
Chewie and anyone else who thinks this is 'hacking' is just plain stupid, it was created to help players find their way around nothing more. Once they learn how to get through a zone enough times they do not need it anymore.
This is plainly and clearly a Third Party Program being used to gain an unintended advantage of birds-eye vision of yourself on a map with live location update.
This is also plainly and clearly a violation of the spirit of server rules.
I've already explained how this is an artificial advantage (especially on Red server where it directly affects competitive game-play).
I strongly urge staff to make an declaration condemning the use of third party mapping programs.
Quoted from Rogean:
Third Party Tools, Exploiting
We do not tolerate cheating on Project 1999. Any program that provides an unintended advantage or gleams access to information not otherwise available is very strictly prohibited.
This program does both:
Provides an unintended advantage to players who are using this to circumvent a feature removal, AND gleams access to information not otherwise available (live updated 100% accurate map location at-a-glance).
If you can't see this is a clear violation of that ruleset, you fail. It doesn't not matter the method in which you hack the system, it's still a hack.
Additionally, the possibilities of this hack go beyond simply seeing yourself on the map; the backbone of this program is already in a format to incorporate more advanced functionality.
SET A PRECIDENT:
Players, Guides and GM's : Say "No" to third party programs.
Aussie
05-06-2014, 05:23 PM
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1429373&postcount=68
Nirgon
05-06-2014, 05:26 PM
I have a map that I draw a line across with a pencil as I traverse the zones.
Is this legal? I am using a number 2 pencil (classic as fuck).
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1429373&postcount=68
praZ
MC Epic
05-06-2014, 05:43 PM
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1429373&postcount=68
Respectfully, I would request an escalation of the findings of that investigation to Management.
I will be happy to discuss in private with Derubael why the findings of that investigation are flawed.
Basically, I'm seeing a GM message being delivered to the community:
"If it isn't MQ2, and it's not MySEQ or SEQ, then it's OK".
While the reality is: NO THIRD PARTY PROGRAM IS OK. Whether you're injecting to the eqgame client, using switch port mirroring for SEQ, or parsing logs into a third party program designed to provide functionality outside what is intended by server designers.... hacking is hacking, scripting is scripting, and using mods to add unintended features or to circumvent removed features is CHEATING.
MC Epic
05-06-2014, 05:47 PM
Besides, I believe my quote is sourced from a higher authority.
Third Party Tools, Exploiting
We do not tolerate cheating on Project 1999. Any program that provides an unintended advantage or gleams access to information not otherwise available is very strictly prohibited.
Mirox
05-06-2014, 06:13 PM
Besides, I believe my quote is sourced from a higher authority.
Any program that provides an unintended advantage or gleams access to information not otherwise available is very strictly prohibited.
Logs are available to everyone. This quote doesn't apply to logs. It applies to reading client memory or network streams like showeq does.
no chewie dont
05-06-2014, 06:49 PM
just wow
Rellapse40
05-06-2014, 07:01 PM
QQ shits classic go cry on the pokemon forums
Rettj
05-06-2014, 07:03 PM
Showeq also allowed according to Azrael TS
MC Epic
05-06-2014, 07:05 PM
Logs are available to everyone. This quote doesn't apply to logs. It applies to reading client memory or network streams like showeq does.
I'll address your first two sentences:
"Logs are available to everyone." - correct.
"This quote doesn't apply to logs." - correct.
And now your third sentence:
"It applies to reading client memory or network stream like showeq does." - Wrong.
Rogean's statement does not state that it is limited to third party programs which "read client memory or network stream". On the contrary, it states that any program that provides an unintended advantage or gleams access to information not otherwise available is very strictly prohibited.
I argue that this includes:
Programs which circumvent the removal of personal maps
Programs which automate gameplay without interacting with client memory or network stream
Programs which offer community maps of multiple players on the map (really guys - this would NOT be hard to do and would NOT be hard to control access to. I've developed a few programs for clients which essentially do the same thing but are designed for inventory control)
Programs which provide unintended advantage (oops that's a direct quote which fits each item in the list above).
I'm not saying /logging is wrong.
I'm saying that using a third party tool to UTILIZE logging in a way to circumvent the removal of in game maps is wrong.
Log to your hearts content. Parse logs for damage, fine, no complaints!
However, don't utilize third party software which exploits the logging function of EQ in order to gain access to a feature which is NOT ACCESSIBLE to everyone who chooses not to cheat.
Rellapse40
05-06-2014, 07:07 PM
lots of mad text spewing from nerds
who cares if some idiot has a map
Rellapse40
05-06-2014, 07:10 PM
Please read the first part here, it has been updated - the bottom part left in for
consistency:
UPDATE - APP EXE (executable) IS READY FOR DOWNLOAD AND USE (initial version)
Check it out!
https://github.com/ahungry/p99-patcher
Read the page there for help setting it up, the binary (exe file) can be found at:
http://ahungry.com/p99-patcher-min.7z
Just download, extract via 7-zip and you'll be able to double click the ".bat" file to launch it (it will open your default web browser to the patcher home page), you can then scroll down and click "Mapper" to open in a new tab the fun new map app!
Any and all feedback continues to be welcome! :)
You can edit the settings.lisp if you have trouble with a non-standard EQ path, but the easiest
fix is to create a shortcut/symlink from your non-standard EQ path to a standard path, so
going to C:\Program Files\Sony\EverQuest will end up taking you to the install directory of EQ.
Make sure you have a maps/ and logs/ directories or the program will run into issues.
In the next build I'll add some additional error handling so it doesn't just die under those conditions.
Original post below:
Hi all,
In an effort to add some utility to my p99-patcher (https://github.com/ahungry/p99-patcher) I have added a new map app.
The tool only reads your log data (similar to the auction tracker uploader) - it does not touch raw packets or any memory/p99 files, so should be legal per policy.
The app will look through your log file for the latest /loc you have done, and map your location on the zone you are currently in.
I have plans to expand and have shared maps (latest player locations stored on my server), so you could set up a shared map account for your guild, and be able to view any guildie's location (if they were using the app and a /loc macro bound to a movement key) in real time (even across zones).
The current maps include all the details the Sony maps do (and are drawn client side in your web browser at http://localhost:4444/mapper/?map-name=ecommons (or whatever zone)).
I have plans to go through the wiki/allakhazam/eqatlas and update the map files to include the location data for static camps, so you would see pinpoints on a map that include:
Your current location (thanks to a /loc macro)
Your friends/guildies current locations (or maybe a global shared loc list)
The data Sony provides (class trainer locations etc.)
Mob spawns (maybe paths mapped out sometime as well)
The mapping is 100% real time if you do continually use your /loc macro.
I have a little work to do on auto-detecting the player's current zone (will have to have users do a /who all themself, or see if a message is entered into log when zoning), at which point i'll put up a static windows exe for download/use (the p99 patcher exe I have right now available does not have these mapper updates).
You can get it early or review the source on my github at https://github.com/ahungry/p99-patcher
Screenshot:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ahungry/p99-patcher/master/p99-mapper.png
MC Epic
05-06-2014, 07:17 PM
SET A PRECIDENT:
Players, Guides and GM's : Say "No" to third party programs.
loramin
05-06-2014, 07:17 PM
Whether you're injecting to the eqgame client, using switch port mirroring for SEQ, or parsing logs into a third party program designed to provide functionality outside what is intended by server designers.... hacking is hacking, scripting is scripting, and using mods to add unintended features or to circumvent removed features is CHEATING.
You can certainly lump them together in your head ... if that makes you happy go for it. But to the only people that matter (the developers), they're very different.
injecting to the eqgame client, using switch port mirroring for SEQ
These require messing with the INPUTS to Everquest.
or parsing logs into a third party program designed to
This requires messing with the OUTPUT of Everquest.
Here's how the two interact with EQ:
INPUTS => [_EQ_] => OUTPUTSThe devs can detect, prevent, and ban anyone who messes with the INPUTs because that INPUT goes through their code (the "EQ" box above). They can't do anything about this app, or about any log-parsing app, because there's no line going from OUTPUTS back to the "EQ" box.
MC Epic
05-06-2014, 07:27 PM
I don't disagree with your final statement; just as they can't do anything about detecting ShowEQ on a mirrored switch port (luckily not available to everybody).
It's ultimately a community choice whether to associate a stigma with this behaviour, and I am but one voice who will refuse to associate with those who exhibit it.
Silent
05-06-2014, 07:35 PM
Think mesochrist is just trolling, Either that or has no concept of 3rd party tools what so ever. Would be the equivalent of saying gamparse/GTT is equal to MQ2/SEQ when all they too do is read logs nothing more. MQ2/SEQ and other hacks go far beyond reading logs and inject into everquests memory to alter and manipulate packets. But why am I explaining this to you, I truly believe you are just trolling for the hell of it. No one should be afraid of these map tools, anyone calling not classic is fooling themselves. With the exception of Chewie, we all know he can play classic UI and hit harm touch/bash on his dozens of SK alts just as easy with no actual setup or extra gear to swap in and out.
MC Epic
05-06-2014, 07:36 PM
not sure if srs or just didn't read the whole thread.
MC Epic
05-06-2014, 07:42 PM
Btw; not afraid of "these map tools", but am afraid of the precedent being set by supporting third party tools to circumvent purposefully removed features.
Honestly; if supported: why not just enable client maps, and make this whole argument moot.
LulzSect
05-06-2014, 07:50 PM
running game parsers, mq, and 3rd party programs are as classic as u can get sadly to say.
http://i.imgur.com/TOV622U.jpg
no chewie dont
05-06-2014, 07:56 PM
SET A PRECIDENT:
Players, Guides and GM's : Say "No" to third party programs.
^^^this^^^
lets nip this problem in the bud b4 we have to quotation marks around words like "classic" and "legit" when describing project1999
Aussie
05-06-2014, 07:57 PM
I think we should also stop the use of Vent, TS, Mumble and Skype.
That's definitely giving an unfair advantage to those players who are not using it.
It's definitely not classic either.
no chewie dont
05-06-2014, 07:58 PM
while i agree with you, i regret to inform you that you've been laughed out of this thread pages ago
thx for trying tho
LulzSect
05-06-2014, 07:58 PM
ban it all
Zuranthium
05-06-2014, 08:35 PM
I think we should also stop the use of Vent, TS, Mumble and Skype.
That's definitely giving an unfair advantage to those players who are not using it.
It's definitely not classic either.
Ideally voice chat programs wouldn't be used in this game.
Raids in Classic were fun. You had to actually coordinate and there was such a sense of anticipation and uncertainty. Whenever I've raided on this server it's a snooze.
This game is not hard (just time consuming). The way people continually dumb it down is so disappointing.
Plus it breaks the RPG element.
Rettj
05-06-2014, 10:40 PM
SET A PRECIDENT:
Players, Guides and GM's : Say "No" to third party programs.
Lite<Azrael>, your guild leader, is an avid user of vpn/mac spoofing virtual machine software
nobody takes what you say seriously
Colgate
05-06-2014, 10:47 PM
name spoof was prob my favorite broodwar/wc3 hack
gotta have dat rainbow name ya dig?
Rettj
05-06-2014, 11:20 PM
name spoof was prob my favorite broodwar/wc3 hack
gotta have dat rainbow name ya dig?
broodwar hacks were great
Potus
05-07-2014, 12:05 AM
ban it all
Zuranthium
05-07-2014, 12:29 AM
most raids had tons and tons of loot that rotted due to too much spam and no coordination
In 1999 I absolutely never recall any Dragon or Planes drop rotting. Everything got rolled for and there was always someone who could use it.
I'm not really sure what your point is anyway. Chaos is fun. If a group of people just slayed a Dragon and found awesome magical stuff I imagine there would be quite a clamor about who got to keep it.
Besides, tons of stuff rots on this server...
no chewie dont
05-07-2014, 09:09 AM
looks like all the big names want NO MAPS
and all the bluebie nobodies want them
keep em out
tristantio
05-12-2014, 04:49 PM
sad thing is this application was prob written using 1999's technology
chewie doesn't know computers, could easily be done with visual basic 4.0
chewie's and most of ya'lls insanity is in thinking you can 'force' players to play better thru pvp or other means.
only thing that will make players play better is players themselves wanting to play better
IMO we should disable pvp on chewie so he l2playnicer/better with others, then maybe he will factor in at some point on the server rather then just being in guk and mad
imagine a world were chewie would have to learn to make other players pvp for him indirectly
Written in Common Lisp actually, so 1960's tech :)
NotKringe
05-12-2014, 04:53 PM
I think we should also stop the use of Vent, TS, Mumble and Skype.
That's definitely giving an unfair advantage to those players who are not using it.
It's definitely not classic either.
Actually Roger Wilco was classic...
Not Salem
05-12-2014, 04:54 PM
Skimmed thread, only people who approve of 3rd party mapping program is the new GM trying to get blue players to play on red, blue players, and Jupe, HEH
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