Osargen - HHK

[Iniaru]

I want to get an understanding of how things are understood here in P 1999 about 'using' Osargen as a means to level. I will honor the situation as it is and am leaving Osargen alone, but this situation has its arguments both sides.

Last night I went to HHK because I recalled Osargen was a viable camp for a soloing 23 mage to kill for a few hours and get level 24. When I got to the cell, every mob was gone, but no one was there, So I summoned a pet, burnout, and daggers, and settled in but was ready to move if anyone else came to kill him who claimed the camp. Sometimes you have to go replenish food and drink and other things.

Prisoner 1 popped, died, prisoner 2 popped, died, and then Osargen popped and he too died to my pet. I loot up and turn around and an Enchanter is sitting there saying he could have been pulled something but that would have made him a ****. I recalled that Enchanters can also use him as a charm pet to kill other mobs in the zone. Enchanter also used the phrase "been charming him all day for hours" (paraphrased) but conveyed he had the mob and was using it.

Well I walked away, we had some chuckles, and nothing bad happened.

Here's the thing though. I do not feel that I had done anything to "KS" a camp as no one was there to claim Osargen when I came in, and Osargen's timer is about 6ish minutes (as memory serves) and I waited most of that time for him to spawn.

It comes down to this - Mage killing Osargen vs Enchanter Charming him.

It seems to me the Enchanter lost the camp at that point for not being on site to charm him. But I did the right thing, the nice thing, and respected the player enough to not contest it.

But here I am 6 hours later, logging back in and the same player is there charming Osargen. remembering him say he had it "all day' for "hours" means to me if he does not watch it, someone (like me as I did it last night) will come along and kill Osargen fairly and there goes the charm kiting tool for Enchanter(s).

I am going to go elsewhere to get level 24, but this raises a question, situational as it is. Should Enchanter be on spawn point to keep Osargen as his 'camped' mob to charm or can Enchanter lose camp should an enterprising Mage(or other class) sit in the cell with Fluffy primed and ready to attack and make a kill?

I want to be a good member among our community but I really feel I could have claimed the camp at that point.

Flames and rants welcome.

[Teppler]

From what I understand, you have to be pretty much on the spawn point for it to be your mob. Otherwise its just a courtesy call to give someone a few minutes to do what they want to do.

[Kimja]

You can't charm camp Osargen. That's absurd. If an Enchanter has him in the basement, that's great. If he is up in the cell and you setup shop, he is yours to camp. When I was in HK and this happened, I would just grab a lookout instead.

[Swish]

http://i.imgur.com/9kuT2Jb.jpg

[myxomatosii]

Seems like you had the camp claimed fair and square.. if the chanter isn't good enough to keep his mob under check its open season.

Its *far from* the only mob in zone to charm, a good chanter uses a variety of pets and understands all of their strengths and weaknesses. I understand he's the in zone burst damage king (until you can charm Anna) but yeah, its not the end of the world for the chanter if you're camping osargen.

[freez]

some terrible blue toxicity, avoid like plauge

[radditsu]

Fix the shit pathing and it would not be an issue to keep him charmed.

[Swish]

Yeah but the other "pets" in the zone don't backstab for 200ish :p

I can see his frustration - looks like everyone will do anything for any shortcut in this game and get mad when they don't get it or get caught.

[myxomatosii]

Still tho, its like, there are two possible outcomes

1

enc does 90 dps
mag lfg doing nothing

2

enc does 60 dps
mag has a camp

in 1, one player is operating at 100% and the other at 0%
in 2, one player is operating at ~70% and the other at >0%

Even not considering the rules, option 2 seems better to me but that's just how I think.

[Swish]

More widely, I'd say as time has passed on P99 the spirit of EQ has been eroded just a little. Sure people still give out stuff to noobs, but there's certainly more assholes on blue than there ever was when I was first leveling.

Could be the pop growth/more camp disputes etc... but a lot of people seem to think its okay to turn into a douchebag when things aren't perfect.

Plus that recent Verina Tomb thing, real douchey.

[Man0warr]

Douchey on whose part? The ninjalooter?

[myxomatosii]

Douchey on whose part? The ninjalooter?

Nah, Verina. I heard she ate at a tavern in 3rd gate and didn't tip.

[Donruss]

Lol I may have been in the basement group at the time.

I benefited for the enchanter being allowed to charm osagren. Thank you for yielding to our enchanter, enwin or something? I can verify that this dude was in the group for 13+ hours yesterday so... He probably did have it "Charmed for hours" before you were there and again later on...

However, if it had been me. I would have prolly taken the osagren camp. Especially after you waited for almost an entire spawn cycle.

A similar thing happened to me in lguk recently. I dropped into the ass/sup camp and 2 frogs were up (supplier ph was down) so I killed the other 2 frogs and waited. Sure enough, a cleric walked in right b4 supplier and the troops. I must have killed these frogs like right after her because I waited almost a full spawn cycle. The cleric was annoyed when she saw me, but didn't contest the camp

[Frug]

More widely, I'd say as time has passed on P99 the spirit of EQ has been eroded just a little. Sure people still give out stuff to noobs, but there's certainly more assholes on blue than there ever was when I was first leveling.

Could be the pop growth/more camp disputes etc... but a lot of people seem to think its okay to turn into a douchebag when things aren't perfect.

Plus that recent Verina Tomb thing, real douchey.


I suspect it's just population.

I found it interesting that in one of the "COME PLAY ON RED!" threads that someone said he's seen as much toxicity on blue as on red, as if that were something to be proud of. As much "toxicity" on a server with 10x the population still seems a lot less per capita, which is what I experienced.

[HawkMasterson1999]

As somebody who mains an enchanter, I've never considered the charmed pets spawn claimed just bc I had been charming it. If you lose the pet and make it back to the spawn point before it pops again then its yours by right. And so long as its charmed its considered engaged. Other than that if someone beats me to it I just say oh well and charm something else

[Ahldagor]

peeps just don't explore anymore

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Why anyone would camp and undercon for xp is beyond me. Osargen is a certified rapist - why do you think he's in prison?

You're supposed to fight WITH him not AGAINST him.

Unless I read the story incorrectly...

[myriverse]

Why anyone would camp and undercon for xp is beyond me. Osargen is a certified rapist - why do you think he's in prison?

You're supposed to fight WITH him not AGAINST him.

Unless I read the story incorrectly...
He exists. So, you're supposed to kill him.

[Swish]

peeps just don't explore anymore

How many people have properly camped Runnyeye/Nurga/etc in a group etc? Not many.

[Yonkec]

As somebody who mains an enchanter, I've never considered the charmed pets spawn claimed just bc I had been charming it. If you lose the pet and make it back to the spawn point before it pops again then its yours by right. And so long as its charmed its considered engaged. Other than that if someone beats me to it I just say oh well and charm something else

Yeah I main an enchanter and this is absolutely how it needs to be. Anyone who is going to sit here and "claim" a spawn because they charmed that mob earlier needs to either sit their ass on the spawn point like everyone else on the server, or gtfo and find a new mob. Is that too much to ask?

People deal with enough shit without having to /ooc HEY IS ANYONE CHARMING THIS MOB? every time they find an empty camp. Fuck that. Unless that enchanter was sitting on the spawn point when he spawned and waiting to recharm, the camp is ffa. Just like any other camp ever.

Politely decline their intrusion next time and enjoy your xp.



For the record I totally hit up dat Runnyeye.

[captnamazing]

How many people have properly camped Runnyeye/Nurga/etc in a group etc? Not many.

I've led a runnyeye camp, CT camp, kedge camp... people get broken and never want to return.

On the topic of Osargen, I first learned of this amazing trick watching Stembolt on his chanter. Then, I rolled a chanter and used him. Truly a huge boon to a goblin basement camp.

However, I came across mages camping Osargen. One time, they took the camp after I had sacrificed my Osargen. That was their camp. They were sitting at the camp, killing him. I was at the goblin camp. Sure, it sucked cause I love seeing Osargen beast down the goblin scum, but at the end of the day rules is rules and lets share :))

[Messianic]

some terrible blue toxicity, avoid like plauge

On soviet red server, Osargen backstabs you!

[Zuranthium]

How many people have properly camped Runnyeye/Nurga/etc in a group etc? Not many.

Nurga/Droga/Dalnir/Kaesora are fun. It's too bad there isn't more incentive to go there.

Runnyeye is not rewarding enough for the risk.

[Juevento]

Reasons for going to Droga...

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=12318

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=12316

[radditsu]

How many people have properly camped Runnyeye/Nurga/etc in a group etc? Not many.

Runnyeye fungus is goood exps.

[Clark]

You can't charm camp Osargen. That's absurd. If an Enchanter has him in the basement, that's great. If he is up in the cell and you setup shop, he is yours to camp.

[coki]

How many people have properly camped Runnyeye/Nurga/etc in a group etc? Not many.

Never been to either of these zones in 4 years on blue :(

I was in runneye 1 time when red server launched.

[webrunner5]

Runnyeye and Befallen are my two least favorite zones dying deep in. Man I hate them.

[jaybone]

Having Osargen on mobs that die in 10 seconds anyway is meh. Spend half your time down there waiting on spawns.

[Ahldagor]

How many people have properly camped Runnyeye/Nurga/etc in a group etc? Not many.

yup. runnyeye is a great zone. folks just looking for max lvl and coins like this is wow or something

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Having Osargen on mobs that die in 10 seconds anyway is meh. Spend half your time down there waiting on spawns.

Mobs die in 10 seconds because of Osargen...

[jaybone]

Mobs die in 10 seconds because of Osargen...

And you still wait on respawns

[HawkMasterson1999]

In general, if your group has more than 2 or 3 people you will clear all spawns and end up waiting. With Osargen/chanter and some kind of self healing puller you can duo it to great effect. I did this on my ranger with fear kite and it just felt like cheating.

[Swish]

And you still wait on respawns

Yep its the sad truth.

Unless you're a dark elf enchanter with no cares about killing the guards with an evil pal or two ;)