Red Players >Feedback< on /copy

[Turp_SmokinPurp]

i am, and have been, fighting for this. specifically a one time /copy, that allows you to copy over your toon from blue with only no-drop items (no coins, no droppable/tradeable items)

sadly, the powers that be continue to tell me this is a horrible idea, and promptly tell me to GTFO.

that said, i will never stop fighting for it because i believe its a good thing ;)

How do you guys feel about this? I am sure if you all was ok with it we can get it to happen.
Understandable if some do not want it. But I hope you do.

One thing that this will do is increase population and pvp on your server.

Think about it...
Post your thoughts.
The good the bad and the ugly, what will become if this happens.

[Vile]

Can't hurt.. best chance at getting enough toons here to get a 3rd guild potentially going imo..

[kildone]

It would be awesome if I could bring my 47 druid and 24 cleric from blue. Even completely nekkid. Got a level 4 cleric going on red.

[hivemind]

Is this some sort of a joke?

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Was worth it when there was no xp bonus.

Not sure it's worth it now. Especially without items/money.

[no chewie dont]

Hell no, absolutely ridiculous proposition

[Azure]

yes but it needs to be a move, not a copy

[Eslade]

gonna say no. the xp bonus makes it easy enough to level up a new toon in a short amount of time. People that haven't come to red yet don't want to at this point.

[no chewie dont]

Level 1 toon on a server thats safe to afk on and get 2 toons
pvp ur way up if u only want 1
Makes sense

[compulsion]

gonna say no. the xp bonus makes it easy enough to level up a new toon in a short amount of time. People that haven't come to red yet don't want to at this point.

^ The XP bonus makes leveling fun, easy, and gives people a chance to get to know the rest of the red community, both new players and old alts. Hopefully some of those players will guild up with a focus on enjoying the game and having fun.

Allowing blue transfers will just flood endgame with people looking for fast, easy pixels, and we all know where those people will end up. The last thing we need is more people who care only about finding the easiest way to fill inventory slots.

[Zalaerian]

For it. Let em come w all their droppables too. Who gives a shit.

[hivemind]

Judging by the posts in this thread, red99 is somehow more blue than even I imagined. Holy tits we gotta lotta carebears here with a desire for even more.

[Kergan]

Copy is a horrible idea. A bunch of blue players with free characters and no attachment to the server. A permanent move on the other hand has some potential.

How about free copy to blue? That way Nihilum can be the top geared guild on both servers.

[HippoNipple]

I would be okay with a permanent move with only no drop gear. Just be sure to move all your non no drop gear before the move so you can do blue to red transfer trades.

[Kergan]

I'm actually ok with droppables, not like we have an economy to ruin.

[Zalaerian]

Droppables if perm

[HippoNipple]

The entire blue economy would be duplicated and dumped on the red server. With the instant inflation the current players on red would be dirt poor compared to the people being copied over. In addition the RMT would be through the roof with people selling gear on a server they had no intention on playing in the first place.

[hivemind]

Droppables if perm

Not sure why blue players in a blue guild would be against having blue players from a blue server to come join them and the Duke.

[Kergan]

The entire blue economy would be duplicated and dumped on the red server. With the instant inflation the current players on red would be dirt poor compared to the people being copied over. In addition the RMT would be through the roof with people selling gear on a server they had no intention on playing in the first place.

I meant with a move not a copy, sorry.

[Turp_SmokinPurp]

Allowing blue transfers will just flood endgame with people looking for fast, easy pixels, and we all know where those people will end up. The last thing we need is more people who care only about finding the easiest way to fill inventory slots.
Agreed , and you will get some of these people. It is expected.
You on the other hand gain for sure a few groups of 60s (if not more). + the ones who are friends or guildys, you will have Bluebie gank squads to battle all over. Guaranteed. An it will last. Not just go away. We have plenty of spare time since this new raid scene. Raid on weekend only really. Lots of us do not like other games. An would be over there fighting with you more.
Understandable to not want this. But the good outweighs the bad at least from my point of view.
People that haven't come to red yet don't want to at this point.
I know I played up until level 11 but never seen anyone. it was not during this exp bonus.
I know i would copy over and a few other guildys too for the pvp experience.
Just for fights whenever we had time to log over an group up.

Seems a lot of you support this. The ones who said no can you state why besides it is easy to get to 60. It is. But hard to regain all your loot over years period. Even just no drops.

Personally I would copy naked if I had to.
Just for the spells I've bought/earned.

[Fame]

Fuck it, why not?

[hivemind]

Fame, seriously? You been playing on blue too long, your brain is rotten and your heart corrupt.

[XiakenjaTZ]

/move not /copy

[hivemind]

The idea of letting someone transfer, copy, clone, whatever-the-hell a character that they leveled up on blue over to red is insane. I don't really think that even deserves an explanation. Doesn't that seem to give clear and distinct advantage to people who play on blue compared to people who are native to red? Can you imagine why anyone might prefer to level a character on blue, or transfer, copy, clone, whatever-the-hell their character of many years over to the red server? Whatever exp, items, spells that were achieved on that character were done solely on blue, without any of the added difficulties of red.

I thought the staff did a great job with the last patch in terms of helping bolster the red community and bring blue players over. If we can discern any sort of meaningful patterns or results of this patch, we can say that red population has increased significantly as a direct result of the staffs efforts and the changes implemented in the most recent patch. Each of these new players that have joined red in the last month (or whatever) have leveled up from 1 while enjoying quite a lovely exp bonus. This is proving to be incentive enough to help out with the server's population.

What I'm saying is this: don't take ridiculous measures that are are more imbalanced than your previous efforts in an attempt to bring more people to this server. This isn't some sort of beta server where you can just copy characters over...

Again, I can't even believe this is a non-troll thread.

[LulzSect]

http://i.imgur.com/1hk941D.gif

[Tewaz]

Do a move, but make all the characters level 1, with no drops only and no money. Could leave their spells intact also.

/Popcorn

[diplo]

if we're gonna let bluebies copy to red, then let me copy my red to blue.

i might only allow a permanent transfer, not a copy cuz then there's NO GOIN BACK after that; you stuck in this cesspool of scum.

[Colgate]

naw make them run the gauntlet

[Not_Kazowi]

Xp too fast now, so no. Level up a toon. Learn the server dynamics, pick a side, learn to pvp along the way

[Malone88]

Out of fairness to red folks who are here, strip no drop raid gear too.

Bringing over rogue with just epic would be fun...no other gear really
needed.

[Swish]

Hell no, absolutely ridiculous proposition

Level up on ezmode, then come over here and start at 60 etc? Shouldn't work that way, a lot of people would be pissed.

[kank]

Level up on ezmode

The bonus is much higher on red right now with group bonuses, isn't it? Is the hard part just levels 52+? Seems like it's faster to do 1-52 on red, there isn't enough pvp slowing you down at low levels to outweigh the bonus.

[Clark]

Droppables if perm

[hivemind]

The bonus is much higher on red right now with group bonuses, isn't it? Is the hard part just levels 52+? Seems like it's faster to do 1-52 on red, there isn't enough pvp slowing you down at low levels to outweigh the bonus.

I like where you are going with this... it's actually the case that leveling up on red is easy mode, not blue. The really hardcore people do all their leveling on blue, raid it up on blue, get their no drop gear and accumulate a shit ton of wealth. Then they "blewb" it up by transferring/copying/pasting their lvl 60 decked toon (no drops only, of course... the staff cares about balance!) over to red. A trade thread later and they have converted the bulk of their droppable wealth from blue to red.

So yeah, you're right Kank. I think that leveling on blue is definitely going to be the harder route. People who are native to red have the inherent advantage of this leveling bonus.

This thread serious? Are people seriously this dense?

[Softcore PK]

I said no in the other thread, but maybe yes if it leads to like an entire blue guild of 50+ people coming over. The Azrael/Nihi thing is so boring now.

Maybe allow them to copy over on the condition that they are hardcoded into a bluebie-themed guild for ~3ish months upon logging in. Keep them sort of segregated to make things interesting again.

<Carebear's Revenge>

<Ame Damnee>

<Book of Order>

[R Flair]

Transfers would be great, but it should be only nodrop gear from uncontested content. Planar trash mobs set armor, dungeon and quest nodrop items.

Definitely NO god/dragon loot, definitely NO epics. Getting a transfer to red shouldn't allow players to circumvent the reason we play here, to compete over the progression.

[Bazia]

a bunch blacklisted blue server end game raiders would just copy here and immediately join Nihilum

bad idea

[Swish]

So I'll twink the shit out of something on blue then for cheap, then /copy come and melt faces with it all over here. Seems legit.

[Clark]

I said no in the other thread, but maybe yes if it leads to like an entire blue guild of 50+ people coming over. The Azrael/Nihi thing is so boring now.

Maybe allow them to copy over on the condition that they are hardcoded into a bluebie-themed guild for ~3ish months upon logging in. Keep them sort of segregated to make things interesting again.

<Carebear's Revenge>

<Ame Damnee>

<Book of Order>

:D

[Vakaz]

No.

[hivemind]

Why do people always frame everything in terms of Azrael vs Nihilum? I would say that this server at large would probably benefit more from therapy sessions than any other population of people I can think of. You guys have some deep seated emotional issues involving your arch-enemies on the elf sim.

There really only needs to be one reason why this shouldn't happen, even though there are a plethora. Why in the fuck would you allow someone who made a character on blue, leveled it up on blue, acquired gear and wealth on blue ... WHY WOULD YOU LET THAT CHARACTER COME TO RED IN ANY CAPACITY? What sort of sense does that make?

Can you not see the benefits of creating and playing a character on blue for years, only to move it over the the red server? Do people still not understand the fundamental differences between the two servers? I know our "red99" server is about as carebear as an EQ pvp server gets, but come the fuck on?

I said no in the other thread, but maybe yes if it leads to like an entire blue guild of 50+ people coming over. The Azrael/Nihi thing is so boring now.

Maybe allow them to copy over on the condition that they are hardcoded into a bluebie-themed guild for ~3ish months upon logging in. Keep them sort of segregated to make things interesting again.

<Carebear's Revenge>

<Ame Damnee>

<Book of Order>

And isn't this the poster who said that we should not be able to fear, feign-death, or otherwise use any abilities in pvp if our targets are located in the vicinity of pve? If you want this server to become more blue (in every way imaginable), I advise listening to people like the quoted poster above and at least half the people in this thread.

Let people bring everything they have from blue, sticky a thread in the blue forums informing all players about this feature, and start advertising to get as many geared bluebies copied over as we can. Who cares about levels 1-55 anyway? It's all about killing the dragons on Saturday for the mass pvp. More 60's coming over should be nice for everyone at the top since both guilds want to zerg recruit literally anyone high enough level to raid... so what's the problem again?

Oh, right. That detail about the entire existence of each of those characters being contained to the blue server -- and letting them move over to red. What an idea.

[hatelore]

Terrabad idea, earn it, through blood!





Or blue trades, hahah.

[hivemind]

Terrabad idea, earn it, through blood!





Or blue trades, hahah.

I met this guy recently on red server, a new red player from blue. Hatelore is one of many guys from blue that is giving red a shot, largely because of the exp bonus (correct me if I'm wrong). The big group bonus to exp has reduced the barrier of entry to this server (which helps to make it more competitive, btw) and gives curious players like Hatelore some sort of incentive to give it a shot.

I will say that Hatelore has some nice pieces of gear for only being here a week or so, and he is not alone. We have all seen quite a few decked out new red players (blue xfers), and we can also see a lot more people selling/trading their blue wealth for red wealth. Please understand that the combination of exp bonus + the ease of transferring wealth between servers already GREATLY reduces that barrier of entry for new players (especially people from blue who can take advantage of the transferring aspect).

The biggest appeal to some sort of /copy function like this thread is talking about, is that it would help bolster the population on red. At least I assume that is the main utility you guys think this would have, but I honestly don't recall reading the primary reason for this anywhere in the thread. All that said, I think it is 100% a terrible idea. The past patch was extremely successful (just look at the population numbers--that is how I am judging the "success") in attracting new players to red, a substantial portion which have seemed to come from blue. Do not fuck things up by implementing something ludicrous like blue to red character transfers.

[hatelore]

Hivemind wuzzap! Appreciate your help since I'v arrived on red, bloodlet moar~!

[Softcore PK]

Let's change the PnP to include pvp as an offense. Three strikes then permaban rule imo.

[Portasaurus]

I've got it: Only allow the copy of edible items.

Sorted.

[hivemind]

I've got it: Only allow the copy of edible items.

Sorted.

+1 for the Redgrocer. Post count @ 420 so you know this man knows his priorities, especially as it pertains to "edible items."

[Clark]

Terrabad idea, earn it, through blood!





Or blue trades, hahah.

lol

[Gaffin 7.0]

No.

[Kergan]

The biggest appeal to some sort of /copy function like this thread is talking about, is that it would help bolster the population on red. At least I assume that is the main utility you guys think this would have, but I honestly don't recall reading the primary reason for this anywhere in the thread. All that said, I think it is 100% a terrible idea. The past patch was extremely successful (just look at the population numbers--that is how I am judging the "success") in attracting new players to red, a substantial portion which have seemed to come from blue. Do not fuck things up by implementing something ludicrous like blue to red character transfers.

Do you consider the current population ideal for this server?

[Koota]

No.

[Telron]

100% for a blue to red /copy. No gear. No Money.

[Kergan]

Why would someone want a naked level 60 on a PVP server? Copy just can't happen, period. There is nothing lost from doing it, it is a free character. There will be no commitment to the server whatsoever with a copy and therefor no advantage to R99.

It's /move or nothing, and even that is very questionable.

[Nirgon]

No drop sounds fine

Adding item loot and allowing droppables sounds better

[Kergan]

Item loot will never happen, focus your energies on something more construction man. :)

Well, not on R99 anyway. Maybe if T99 with confirmed item loot is a roaring success then that particular aspect will survive the eventual merger.

So ETA ~2 years on possible item loot. :)

[gnomishfirework]

Dude, its fucking got a huge XP bonus. Fuck off with this bullshit.

[Gaffin 7.0]

shouldnt be a copy ever, transfer yes. consequences for joining red not just a "oh yeah let me log on my copy character to kill someone" shits dumb.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Dude, its fucking got a huge XP bonus. Fuck off with this bullshit.

Pretty much this.

If you can't level with this bonus then you probably won't make it with a copied character. Or anywhere for that matter.

[Nirgon]

And yet there would be many more players if this was allowed.

Something something good of the server without selfish pixel interests in mind something something Sirken agrees and has no pixel holdings on red.

[Kergan]

I don't really have a problem with transfers, with a limited window. There is 0 reason to not do a copy though if its an option, and without anything to tie you the the server it'll just lead to a lot of scumbags who want to do nothing but grief and a lot of people 2 boxing a farming character on red to make money off the blue/red currency exchange. Not the kind of population I want.

[Mac Drettj]

Fully gear xfer

With item loot

[Sektor]

a bunch blacklisted blue server end game raiders would just copy here and immediately join Nihilum

bad idea

[Kergan]

And they would be welcomed with open arms. We support giving people a second chance, it's just a game ya know?

[hivemind]

And they would be welcomed with open arms. We support giving people a second chance, it's just a game ya know?

It's just a zerg, ya know?

[bigshowtime]

Hivemind seems quite salty over end game pvp guilds when he is level 25

[gnomishfirework]

Personally I would copy naked if I had to.
Just for the spells I've bought/earned.

You havent earned shit on red.

[Eslade]

on second thought, I'd be for the copy idea if the copy was flagged for all items transferred to be lootable. That would make it a severe enough penalty for transferring that bis 60.

[Silent]

Negative, never, no chance, ever, please don't. leveling up is easy right now, no reason blue players should be able to copy to red. If it were added, we should be able to copy red to blue too. C wut i did thur

[LulzSect]

wipe it clean

[Clark]

wipe it clean