why do we still have soul fires being broadcasted?

[Atalya]

I mean of all things to keep with a zone wide shout? Who the fuck cares that so and so monk/chanter/shaman just got a new soulfire to poopsock with... Seriously

[Thulack]

Classic

[indiscriminate_hater]

Classic

[Swish]

mad.gif

[Daldaen]

Classic

But is it? I don't really remember it, or remember seeing it. Especially a zonewide version of it.

[Somekid123]

Yes, it just wasn't done nearly as easy then as it is now, nor as known.

Its classic, that's why its in and will remain in.

Mad.

[myriverse]

But is it? I don't really remember it, or remember seeing it. Especially a zonewide version of it.
I remember it. I even remember congratzing people I never knew and never met for it.

[Obrae]

left over code pollution.

[Champion_Standing]

Item recharging, epic MQs, monks with CH, exp bonuses. We love the challenge of classic EQ.

[Clark]

Item recharging, epic MQs, monks with CH, exp bonuses. We love the challenge of classic EQ.

:D

[Ikonoclastia]

I was just reading Tiggles thread from 2010 about them lol. Lots of "classic" fans angry about the suggestion they be nerfed.

On live they were nerfed after 2 years for a very good reason, on here its going on 5 or more.

if you have a 20 man raid, each with the P1999 mandatory soulfire, that's 20 x 4k x 5 = 400,000hp worth of instant free heals

If your clerics were casting 10 CH on the main on live during an encounter that's the equivalent of having 10 clerics worth of healing just from soulfires if everyone has one in a 20 man raid.

about as classic as my asshole.

Edit; math

[Daldaen]

about as classic as my asshole.

You make some compelling points. However, I just wanted to quote this gem.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

So you can call IB faggots for getting all those soulfires.

And then 20 minutes later turn one in and let the hate rain down.

[clacbec]

about as classic as my asshole.
This

[indiscriminate_hater]

I was just reading Tiggles thread from 2010 about them lol. Lots of "classic" fans angry about the suggestion they be nerfed.

On live they were nerfed after 2 years for a very good reason, on here its going on 5 or more.

if you have a 20 man raid, each with the P1999 mandatory soulfire, that's 20 x 4k x 5 = 400,000hp worth of instant free heals

If your clerics were casting 10 CH on the main on live during an encounter that's the equivalent of having 10 clerics worth of healing just from soulfires if everyone has one in a 20 man raid.

about as classic as my asshole.

Edit; math


how long's it gonna take you to get 20 soulfires? do that math

[Visual]

my favorite is when people shout GRATS

[Pudge]

Soulfires can only be clicked by Paladins on the red server. #rediswinning

PS no item recharges either. #redpower

[t0lkien]

about as classic as my asshole.

We have very different memories of live, as asshole is totally classic.

[Pheer]

So you can call IB faggots for getting all those soulfires.

And then 20 minutes later turn one in and let the hate rain down.

ive actually been sitting on a compilation of TMO soulfire turn ins just waiting for alarti to mock someone for using them

[khanable]

I turned one in a few days ago

I got about 40 HAIL tells, and about 10 tells from lowly paladins asking why a warrior would do the quest

I couldn't bring it upon myself to explain to all them what they're used for..

so young, so naive.. it's beautiful, really

[Pheer]

i got 0 tells when i turned in mine

sad day

[khanable]

i got 0 tells when i turned in mine

sad day

:'(

[clacbec]

so young, so naive.. it's beautiful, really

[Ikonoclastia]

We have very different memories of live, as asshole is totally classic.

Yeah absolutely.

Must have been in different dimensions though.

Yours the one where the rogues, wars and wizzies where in the CH rotation, enchanters were Main and MA's and clerics were in EC LFG.

[Bboboo]

http://i.imgur.com/PFP8Wxa.jpg

[Ikonoclastia]

http://i.imgur.com/PFP8Wxa.jpg
http://www.opednews.com/populum/uploaded/nothing-20130324-179.jpg

http://www.opednews.com/Quicklink/What-is-nothing-Physicist-in-Sci_Tech-130324-889.html

[Swish]

Turning off the broadcasting doesnt make them go away.

[Tecmos Deception]

the rogues, wars and wizzies where in the CH rotation, enchanters were Main and MA's and clerics were in EC LFG.

:rolleyes:

I don't think you can replace healers with clicky items in WoW. You should check that out.

[Tecmos Deception]

Turning off the broadcasting doesnt make them go away.

Heh. I noticed this too. I moved shouts into a different window and brother Hayle was still "shouts"ing in my main chat.

[arsenalpow]

I turned one in a few days ago

I got about 40 HAIL tells, and about 10 tells from lowly paladins asking why a warrior would do the quest

I couldn't bring it upon myself to explain to all them what they're used for..

so young, so naive.. it's beautiful, really

When I turned in one a few weeks ago all the mad in norrath rained down upon me.

[thieros]

i send hate tells to every brother hayle shout that comes across... ZERG SLIME

[Naprox]

I mean of all things to keep with a zone wide shout? Who the fuck cares that so and so monk/chanter/shaman just got a new soulfire to poopsock with... Seriously

It was my understanding that Soulfire is a Paladin only weapon. How can a monk/chanter/shaman as quoted above have one?

[Daldaen]

SoulFire can be clicked by anyone from inventory.

People use them on raids to secure raid mob victories / successful pulls / stalls.

[Thulack]

:'(

I grats you on your soulfire. Don't even act like you didnt get any tells :D

[Ele]

SoulFire can be clicked by anyone from inventory.

People use them on raids to secure raid mob victories / successful pulls / stalls.


http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/50648675.jpg

[webrunner5]

I was just reading Tiggles thread from 2010 about them lol. Lots of "classic" fans angry about the suggestion they be nerfed.

On live they were nerfed after 2 years for a very good reason, on here its going on 5 or more.

if you have a 20 man raid, each with the P1999 mandatory soulfire, that's 20 x 4k x 5 = 400,000hp worth of instant free heals

If your clerics were casting 10 CH on the main on live during an encounter that's the equivalent of having 10 clerics worth of healing just from soulfires if everyone has one in a 20 man raid.

about as classic as my asshole.

Edit; math

This man knows his stuff. I play less and less on here because I am so sick of "oh its classic" shit. This server is not "classic" and never will be. I will give the Devs credit for trying to make it classic. But the timeline is screwed, the people that play on here know every trick in the book, and a few of them cheat like hell on top of it. So it will never ever be classic like it was in the beginning. We have all lost our virginity long ago. Its just a game now. A old game at that, that was very special at one time.

If you have never played EQ before in your life this server is pretty cool. But if you have played it for years and years like I have this server is really not classic.

[Ele]

this is more of a dynamic beta

[Daldaen]

Really should just make the clicks paladin only at this point in time.

Give some warning so people can do crazy stuff with their final SoulFires.

[Supaskillz]

Really should just make the clicks paladin only at this point in time.

Give some warning so people can do crazy stuff with their final SoulFires.

Finally people will roll paladins. Gotta have someone who can stall those raid mobs.

[Byrjun]

how long's it gonna take you to get 20 soulfires? do that math

Not long, depending on your class. It's a great utility item, especially for classes like shamans and enchanters. Those classes are known to be kinda useless for the majority of raids, so it's nice that they can solo this quest for a bit of utility. A shaman healing for 500 isn't going to do shit on a mob like Hoshkar, trust me.

Honestly, the raid atmosphere here balances it a bit. It's not like you can leave VP to go turn in another SoulFire, so you have a max of 5 clicks for a weekend.

And there's no rogue CH chain. The fights where SoulFire is useful (like Hoshkar and Nexona) are too hectic for a rogue to casually click tanks and stuff to see if they could use a CH. It's really just the job of bench classes like shaman, and even then most don't even bother with the quest.

And just because you didn't know about SoulFire on live doesn't mean that people didn't use them. Can't even begin to count how many bugs/exploits were discussed daily in the crucible, stuff that will never exist here. P99 is much more hardcore, but at the same time it's a lot more fair than live ever was.

[Ahldagor]

We have all lost our virginity long ago. Its just a game now. A old game at that, that was very special at one time.

If you have never played EQ before in your life this server is pretty cool. But if you have played it for years and years like I have this server is really not classic.

i'm hitting that boredom wall with the box because of your points. the nostalgia wore off after a couple of months when i started, but now it's just me running around kunark zones on my shaman just because i can run around the zones. it's like a silent goodbye (depressing, realistic epiphany).

[Nirgon]

If you think boxing was a small part of the population in classic-Velious, the # of people who knew about item recharging was even smaller.

Remove item recharging for a more classic experience. Basically no one knew of it and it was quickly fixed after becoming wide spread.

Or allow boxing :P... both are detrimental to the experience and both were possible at the time.

Inb4 mad bluebies (I see you) tryna get ezmode pixels. Remove duck casting from blue too.

8)

[iruinedyourday]

I turned one in a few days ago

I got about 40 HAIL tells, and about 10 tells from lowly paladins asking why a warrior would do the quest

I couldn't bring it upon myself to explain to all them what they're used for..

so young, so naive.. it's beautiful, really

This is mutha fuckin claaaaasic Eq right here. This is why I believe it should remain in.

[Tecmos Deception]

But if you have played it for years and years like I have this server is really not classic.

The server is classic. The players are not.

[zanderklocke]

The server is classic. The players are not.

^ Level 1 cleric with Donal's BP and Cleric Epic. :D

[Tecmos Deception]

Hey, I didn't have epic until 11 or donals until like 43! :)

[zanderklocke]

Hey, I didn't have epic until 11 or donals until like 43! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNjysERQ4Oo

My mistake, Jacobim.

[Clark]

http://i.imgur.com/PFP8Wxa.jpg

lol

[Ikonoclastia]

Not long, depending on your class. It's a great utility item, especially for classes like shamans and enchanters. Those classes are known to be kinda useless for the majority of raids, so it's nice that they can solo this quest for a bit of utility. A shaman healing for 500 isn't going to do shit on a mob like Hoshkar, trust me.

Honestly, the raid atmosphere here balances it a bit. It's not like you can leave VP to go turn in another SoulFire, so you have a max of 5 clicks for a weekend.

And there's no rogue CH chain. The fights where SoulFire is useful (like Hoshkar and Nexona) are too hectic for a rogue to casually click tanks and stuff to see if they could use a CH. It's really just the job of bench classes like shaman, and even then most don't even bother with the quest.

And just because you didn't know about SoulFire on live doesn't mean that people didn't use them. Can't even begin to count how many bugs/exploits were discussed daily in the crucible, stuff that will never exist here. P99 is much more hardcore, but at the same time it's a lot more fair than live ever was.
If you're a good guild / raid leader and your focus is on progression then you won't be using your soulfire equipped members like clerics imo.

You'll have regular raid, with usual clerics (gotta have them for buffs anyway) but when things do go to shit which should be rarely in Kunark, you have lots of instant get of jail free (horrible corpserun) cards.

That's fair enough.

However,

On live between the time that EQ classic launched and Soulfires got nerfed there was a maximum (disregarding resets) 2000 soul fires on the server (2 years at 3 per day).

On P1999 between launch and now (assuming Luclin will never been implemented) there could be 6480 soulfires that have been created.

On P1999 between now and when ever the server is shut down there is a potential for as many soulfires as you like.

On Live you couldn't realistically own 80 accounts, on here you can, it would be have been very unlikely to have 80 with soulfires, not so much here if your thinking ahead to Velious.

What this means is good guild leaders / raid leaders would be silly not to stock up on soulfires prior to the release of Velious (Not classic) (depending on the mob being hit, a soulfire is as good as half to a whole cleric) it also means all the hard work and effort going into Velious is going to be trivialized by armies of soulfire wielding players (not classic) and that wiping on the new Velious content should be rare (not classic).

So I think its something that the developers should think about carefully. Do they have an item that can cause the server to veer right off the classic track and have all the content on farm rather than progression in a matter of weeks for the sake of keeping that one item classic.

Or do they change that one item which was changed 2 years after release (5 or 6 on this server now), though shortly after Luclin rather than prior to Velious to avoid all the above?

[Lagaidh]

just because i can run around the zones. it's like a silent goodbye (depressing, realistic epiphany).

I remember this moment on Live.

I'd been friends for years with a playing married couple. They had played in the early days and remembered the things of original EQ, the things that bring players here. Me and the husband were both tunnel rats and the real players. His wife, and mine were ancillary, but good support players.

I'd been out of the loop for a while with them. Joined a hardcore raid guild and all that. I burned out and hadn't played in a long time when I began to log in again.

I happened to see the wife one day in PoK, and I hadn't seen her or the husband in nearly a year. We talked in /t for a while and I asked where Gradey was (one of her husband's toons). That's when she'd told me they had suffered an armed break in. They shot him. He had died.

We chatted a while longer and I told her, "Let's go to EC and fire off an /auc for Gradey." We went over. East Commonlands had two players in it: us. We went over to the tunnel. EC had been revamped and it no longer looked the same. I had some item I intended to bazaar, and for old time's sake, I typed up an /auc line and repeated it a few times as we chatted and remembered.

I never felt so lonely in a virtual world before or since. I spent so much time in the tunnel, bursting with player life... and now it was dead and cold like my friend. It was the oddest fucking feeling...

A slow, sad goodbye.

(MAN was I happy when I found p99. I need to hit the tunnel!)

[Byrjun]

You'll have regular raid, with usual clerics (gotta have them for buffs anyway) but when things do go to shit which should be rarely in Kunark, you have lots of instant get of jail free (horrible corpserun) cards.

Uh, top guilds on the server are still wiping to shit mobs like Trakanon. Things go to shit several times a week, it's not rare in Kunark at all. There's no such thing as a smooth Hoshkar or Nexona unless you're bringing 70+ people and even then...

What this means is good guild leaders / raid leaders would be silly not to stock up on soulfires prior to the release of Velious (Not classic) (depending on the mob being hit, a soulfire is as good as half to a whole cleric) it also means all the hard work and effort going into Velious is going to be trivialized by armies of soulfire wielding players (not classic) and that wiping on the new Velious content should be rare (not classic).

SoulFires are much less useful in Velious. If you're wiping to an encounter, you're just gonna wipe to the encounter. No amount of SoulFires can unfuck the vast majority of Velious raid fights - they have to go 100% smoothly or you've lost. It's not even humanly possible to react to the damage output of mobs like AoW and Vyemm, which is why CH rotations became so critical. There will be plenty of wiping in Velious, don't worry.

I think people who aren't in Class C guilds have this vision of literally everyone clicking SoulFires in a rotation to kill every raid mob. This is pretty far from the truth.

Only a handful of people ever have SoulFires on hand, and even less actually use them. Like I said, there's only a couple people I know of in my guild that are adamant about always having charges on them, and they're classes that are less useful (shaman, enchanter). SoulFire is a good way for a solo-oriented class to have a role on raids besides buff botting.

SoulFire is not as big of a concern as most people think it is. 99% of the time I'm only blowing my charges on Hoshkar or Nexona fights, and I can only think of one Nexona fight where I think my SoulFire made a substantial difference. Who knows about the other fights; I have no knowledge of the exact moments that CHs are landing on tanks.

And yes, any good player/guild utilized recharging on live. It's not even entirely classic here, since the GMs have essentially blocked certain items like the rez stick from being recharged. On live, we had a few monks that always had charged rez sticks, but that's just not possible on P99. I think the devs are attempting to strike a happy balance between classicness and fairness and are mostly succeeding.

[Bboboo]

I have no idea what half the shit in this thread means.

[Ikonoclastia]

Uh, top guilds on the server are still wiping to shit mobs like Trakanon. Things go to shit several times a week, it's not rare in Kunark at all. There's no such thing as a smooth Hoshkar or Nexona unless you're bringing 70+ people and even then...



SoulFires are much less useful in Velious. If you're wiping to an encounter, you're just gonna wipe to the encounter. No amount of SoulFires can unfuck the vast majority of Velious raid fights - they have to go 100% smoothly or you've lost. It's not even humanly possible to react to the damage output of mobs like AoW and Vyemm, which is why CH rotations became so critical. There will be plenty of wiping in Velious, don't worry.

I think people who aren't in Class C guilds have this vision of literally everyone clicking SoulFires in a rotation to kill every raid mob. This is pretty far from the truth.

Only a handful of people ever have SoulFires on hand, and even less actually use them. Like I said, there's only a couple people I know of in my guild that are adamant about always having charges on them, and they're classes that are less useful (shaman, enchanter). SoulFire is a good way for a solo-oriented class to have a role on raids besides buff botting.

SoulFire is not as big of a concern as most people think it is. 99% of the time I'm only blowing my charges on Hoshkar or Nexona fights, and I can only think of one Nexona fight where I think my SoulFire made a substantial difference. Who knows about the other fights; I have no knowledge of the exact moments that CHs are landing on tanks.

And yes, any good player/guild utilized recharging on live. It's not even entirely classic here, since the GMs have essentially blocked certain items like the rez stick from being recharged. On live, we had a few monks that always had charged rez sticks, but that's just not possible on P99. I think the devs are attempting to strike a happy balance between classicness and fairness and are mostly succeeding.
^^ Don't know where to begin.

If your wiping in Kunark and you're a top guild... maybe ditch the soulfires and learn to play without them, skip the PL'ing and learn to play your class (instead of the tens of alts you don't know how to play).

We raided on live during Kunark and we rarely wiped after gearing up because we knew how to play our classes and we had a tightknit team.

If you're incapable of understanding how to incorporate instant charges of CH into a raid and incapable of understanding how every class being capable of 5 x Lay On Hands without delay at range is overpowered then fuck, what can I say to get it through to you.

The time between when people could get Soulfires, to the time they realised they were I Win buttons if most people in the guild had one, to the time they were nerfed was 2 years.

Pretending there 'aren't that many on the server' is horseshit. Brother Hayles shouting himself hoarse and its not paladins doing the turn in.

I think you're just a little afraid that IF they were nerfed to the proper timeline (2 years after release) you'd be investing in a shitton of jade coffins learning how to raid with the abilities of your classes rather than exploiting the abiities of other classes on OP items.

Amirite... yes I am.

[Tecmos Deception]

Ikon, you dumb.

[Ikonoclastia]

Ikon, you dumb.
Nah. Just not a bad.

[Tecmos Deception]

A-Team loves their clickies. Loraen said to me just a week or two ago that loving clickies should be a requirement for any app to the guild. But I can count on one hand the number of times I've felt that using a CH clicky on a tank in a raid was warranted (and then actually clicked it). And none of those times was it a soulfire that I used, since the first CH I use when needed is a reaper. I've never seen another guildie use a CH clicky in a raid.

On Kunark content, a tank can usually just use a few stinging wort clicks to buy time for the next CH to land or something. Most members of TMO and IB probably don't have a fully-charged soulfire ready on each character at any given time (even though it's a requirement for IB full members).

Few members of the class R guilds have any CH clicky available, and even fewer would think of and be willing to use it. Even in A-Team, a significant number of members don't recharge their own hats or regularly carry something like a charged mallet because of the cost... so you can bet your ass that the VAST majority of the server is not very likely to blow through charges of a soulfire, or even use the charge on a reaper, much if ever.

Hayle shouts like 5-10 soulfires per day. Rarely is it the same person more than once a week. Etc etc.


On a non-raiding level: I bet I use CH clickies more than 99% of the server. But I'm only on my second soulfire in almost TWO YEARS on Tecmos (and it still has 3 charges I think), and I've probably recharged 7-8 reapers max.


Byrjun is spot on, imo. Imo, people who don't have experience with something on p99 get the most wacked-the-fuck-out idea in their head of what that something must be like.

[Ikonoclastia]

3 per day for 6 years is a shit ton of soulfires. Lets say 6000 vs on live a maximum of 2000 before they were nerfed.

When you have an unlimited supply of them, since if they're not pre-luclin nerfed they'll be available forever then why wouldn't you click them?

I'm not against using them I have some plans to farm things I otherwise couldn't farm as a necro with them, but I think they're going to make Velious boring as shit overall.

[Tecmos Deception]

It wasn't 3 per day for 6 years. A lot of people don't click them because it's annoying to get more (and because of reapers and stinging wort potions). They're only an unlimited supply if the server exists for all of eternity.

You honestly think that more than a handful of people on the server are willing to farm xicotl, watch for lucan, run around doing turnins... on a regular or frequent basis? Or pay Jygia to do that for them? Just to MAYBE be able to carry people who fuck something up to a success? No way, man.


Besides, I'm sure if CH clicks become so prevalent that they are trivializing raid content, the staff will ivandyr's hoop them.

[Daldaen]

It isn't a matter of guilds using SoulFire rotations to keep a tank alive against raid mobs.

It's a matter of using them as means to "tank" (aka stall) until you have a viable raid force there.

Same deal with Bladestoppers. Though those are exploited for their aggro purposes as well when splitting mobs from trains.

SoulFires wouldn't be a huge deal if FTE wasn't attainable by someone in zone when the mob spawns. This is specific to a few mobs like Naggy, VS, and Inny. Where the accepted strategy is to ignore all trash, train it with you, and Zerg DPS the boss down before the train wipes you (Inny) or the train kills someone else and you get petitioned (VS). In fairness though, guilds have gotten better about rooting every single mob and killing VS in 3 min before roots break.

[fastboy21]

I think the op was more interested in removing the world-wide announcement every time (some fool) completes the quest.

is there a date this was removed? my recollection is sometime between velious and luclin...but not sure if it ever came out during velious.

[Ikonoclastia]

It wasn't 3 per day for 6 years. A lot of people don't click them because it's annoying to get more (and because of reapers and stinging wort potions). They're only an unlimited supply if the server exists for all of eternity.

You honestly think that more than a handful of people on the server are willing to farm xicotl, watch for lucan, run around doing turnins... on a regular or frequent basis? Or pay Jygia to do that for them? Just to MAYBE be able to carry people who fuck something up to a success? No way, man.
They're of unlimited supply. The potential in terms of numbers has already exceeded 300% over what was maximally possible on live. Lets not play games with semantics.

And yes of course I think that and anyone who has ever been in a competitive mmo environment would know that too. When the mechanics offer a method for advancement above what was intended or should be possible leadership will always push and exploit that to the limit.

The odds are there are efforts underway to get as many soulfires as possible onto as many alts and mains for the race to trivialize as much content as fast as possible when Velious is released.

Wait a few days after Velious releases and check RnF for the whine threads about soulfire server firsts that should have taken months of progresssion to get server firsts on.

[Tecmos Deception]

3 per day maximum = unlimited. And I'm arguing semantics for suggesting otherwise. Ok.

[Ikonoclastia]

3 per day maximum = unlimited. And I'm arguing semantics for suggesting otherwise. Ok.
Yeah 3 per day is unlimited. Unlimited means there is no limit on the number you can obtain. Time to obtain them is a completely different variable.

On live the maximum possible limit was around 2000 soulfires. On P1999 we're already 3x that many with no limit on how many more can be quested and used by non-paladins assuming expansions stop at Velious.

[Tecmos Deception]

Like I said before, the staff will nerf CH clickies if they feel the need to.

[Ikonoclastia]

So your argument of "there's an unlimited supply of soulfires on p99" relies on the server existing for an infinite amount of time. And I'm the one arguing semantics. Ok.


Like I said before, the staff will nerf CH clickies if they feel the need to. And you dumb (and so am I, for clicking "view post" every time I see one of your posts instead of just leaving them ignored).
No that is your argument.

There's this wonderful thing called context that some people get, and apparently others do not.

When we're speaking about something that can only exist inside something else (like a computer program or OS) its usually automatically assumed that the former is reliant on the latter's positive state.

Here's an easy analogy. I can write a program to generate an unlimited amount of pseudo-random numbers. Most people would agree because they understand that in the context of the statement the computers on state is always positive. However now and then some miscreant will suggest this is not true because the computer can be switched off...

[Argh]

All the effort put into this thread could have yielded a soulfire for yourself.

[webrunner5]

^^ Don't know where to begin.

If your wiping in Kunark and you're a top guild... maybe ditch the soulfires and learn to play without them, skip the PL'ing and learn to play your class (instead of the tens of alts you don't know how to play).

We raided on live during Kunark and we rarely wiped after gearing up because we knew how to play our classes and we had a tightknit team.

If you're incapable of understanding how to incorporate instant charges of CH into a raid and incapable of understanding how every class being capable of 5 x Lay On Hands without delay at range is overpowered then fuck, what can I say to get it through to you.

The time between when people could get Soulfires, to the time they realised they were I Win buttons if most people in the guild had one, to the time they were nerfed was 2 years.

Pretending there 'aren't that many on the server' is horseshit. Brother Hayles shouting himself hoarse and its not paladins doing the turn in.

I think you're just a little afraid that IF they were nerfed to the proper timeline (2 years after release) you'd be investing in a shitton of jade coffins learning how to raid with the abilities of your classes rather than exploiting the abiities of other classes on OP items.

Amirite... yes I am.

Best post on here. IF you, in a top guild, after all these years, can not kill a raid mob with piss ass HP's and by having to "sort of cheat" instead of just getting off your ass and playing your class like he said, you just need to go back to WoW.

You know and I know that IF you really played EQ in the start that you had BETTER have a good friend that was a Necro, because you died, and died a lot because hardly anybody but the Main Tank had gear worth a shit. How many people had epics in Kunark, let alone at level 5. Get a grip. This game is sissy mode now. And I am guilty of it too. Lets not sugarcoat it. :(

[Peon25]

You know and I know that IF you really played EQ in the start that you had BETTER have a good friend that was a Necro, because you died, and died a lot because hardly anybody but the Main Tank had gear worth a shit. How many people had epics in Kunark, let alone at level 5. Get a grip. This game is sissy mode now. And I am guilty of it too. Lets not sugarcoat it. :(

True story, bro. I lost count to the number of "necro summoning the entire raid" corpse recoveries we had to do in Temple of Veeshan. No one had their epics before mid-low 50s, I believe I got my cleric epic at 54-55 and a Donal chestplate at 58; full Skyshrine gear at 60. Assuming factioning can be done in Kael at 1 (a couple of Vindicator hits really) you can probably have cleric group-heal-clicky pants at level 1 as well. I know on Firiona Vie they clicked at 1.

FYI - I do not recall epics being available until AFTER Scars of Velious was released -- people initially complained and thought they needed the latest expansion to complete their epic, which was not true. I may be wrong, or this may be a fantasy do-over of "classic EQ". ;)
Epics were also called "class FAs" (Fiery Avengers) initially as well. Everyone got their FA, not just Paladins who then were able to receive a Fiery Defender.