change the color con on target back please!

[11bangbang]

in the new update on 6/24/14, it changed the target box to no longer show what color con your mob is. please change this back to the way it was. im sure almost everyone on the server preferred it to show the color con. if im posting this is the wrong section let me know so i can post in the right location, thx!

[Shannacore]

NOT CLASSIC!

[11bangbang]

NOT CLASSIC!
yea i know, i remember it being like that when EQ came out. and even though its not classic, such a simple thing is really nice to have and plently of people agree. its shown the color con for so long why change it now?

[Argh]

why change it now?

Shit's classic.

[11bangbang]

Shit's classic.
shit's not showing my con...shit's irritating, lol.

[Kekephee]

NOT CLASSIC!


"Classic" has never and will never exist on a server where everyone knows the future. From the moment the first person said "manastones will go away so I will camp a ton of them and sell them for all the money in the world" classic was a myth. The devs have done a tremendous job giving us a game that's LIKE the game we were playing in 1999, but it's impossible for it to be exactly the same game so things that are impractical or detrimental or less useful for gameplay (bugs, exploitative mechanics, etc.) may as well be flushed down the toilet where they belong.


The real question is, is con-target one of those things?

[Shannacore]

"Classic" has never and will never exist on a server where everyone knows the future. From the moment the first person said "manastones will go away so I will camp a ton of them and sell them for all the money in the world" classic was a myth. The devs have done a tremendous job giving us a game that's LIKE the game we were playing in 1999, but it's impossible for it to be exactly the same game so things that are impractical or detrimental or less useful for gameplay (bugs, exploitative mechanics, etc.) may as well be flushed down the toilet where they belong.


The real question is, is con-target one of those things?

The point of the server is to get as close to classic everquest as possible. Obviously things are going to be slightly different when there is 15 years of hindsight to work with. With that said, if the point is to emulate classic everquest as best they can, this is another small thing that brings it one step closer, imo.

[Daldaen]

Is hitting the "C" key really all that tedious?

Just be glad you all have your new fancy UIs with percentages and multiple hotbars and medding without being blind.

One day, we will get cleansed of these horrible things that make players think they are better than classic. And all will be right in the world. Praise classic UI.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/EQ000070.jpg

[Ele]

End of Velious 11/2001
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20011107.html
We have changed the way the /consider command works and expanded the level range at which players are able to gain experience. We have added a 'light blue' area between green and blue. NPCs that used to /consider green but gave experience will now /consider light blue, as well as NPCs of slightly lower level than those greens. You will always get experience for something that is light blue. You will not receive experience for greens. At the same time, by including lower level NPCs in the light blue /consider, we have increased the range of lower level NPCs that will grant experience. This will be most noticeable for characters of higher level.

[11bangbang]

Is hitting the "C" key really all that tedious?

Just be glad you all have your new fancy UIs with percentages and multiple hotbars and medding without being blind.

One day, we will get cleansed of these horrible things that make players think they are better than classic. And all will be right in the world. Praise classic UI.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/EQ000070.jpg
Damn that UI to hell for eternity where it belongs.

[Ele]

Is hitting the "C" key really all that tedious?

Just be glad you all have your new fancy UIs with percentages and multiple hotbars and medding without being blind.

One day, we will get cleansed of these horrible things that make players think they are better than classic. And all will be right in the world. Praise classic UI.

Amen

We had target rings, maps, and compasses for years before the devs were able to remove them. People adapted to that, they can adapt to this.

Hopefully we can limit the UI to one text box next! That will be glorious.

[Halius]

Is hitting the "C" key really all that tedious?

Just be glad you all have your new fancy UIs with percentages and multiple hotbars and medding without being blind.

One day, we will get cleansed of these horrible things that make players think they are better than classic. And all will be right in the world. Praise classic UI.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/EQ000070.jpg

^^ This guy gets it.

End of Velious 11/2001
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20011107.html

Off topic, but personally the first part of those patch notes gets me excited. I really hope there is a way to implement project M here after Velious.

[Sirken]

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11114/111142124/3898460-8864152835-

[Splorf22]

Hopefully we can limit the UI to one text box next! That will be glorious.

If we are limited to one text box I would just quit. Over 50% of the reason I play this game is to chat with people.

[Sirken]

If we are limited to one text box I would just quit. Over 50% of the reason I play this game is to chat with people.

im with Splorf on that, i would never get anything done if i couldnt filter player spam into its own window :p

[Daldaen]

You could turn off certain text.

But god damn. Turn off Vent, Turn off TS, Turn off Skype. Get 1 chat box.

Now let's race to a dragon and get some FTEs and coordinate some heals and CC during the fight. Like classic was meant to be played.

/drools

[Wrench]

gonna laugh when this gets reenabled with a log parser

even a single text box is fixable with an overlay

[roofuz]

1999 wasn't that great. Stop pipe dreaming about useless shit.

[Tiggles]

Easy fix is to get lvl 60 and then you bascially know what 99% of the game will con to you.

Either Red or Blue.

[myriverse]

gonna laugh when this gets reenabled with a log parser

even a single text box is fixable with an overlay
Very good idea! I eagerly await.

[no chewie dont]

gonna laugh when this gets reenabled with a log parser

even a single text box is fixable with an overlay

[roofuz]

Remove ability to run this on Windows 7/8 environments, not classic.

[Darkyle]

I recently started using the Velious UI over a month ago and had to con things manually because the target bar on that doesn't show a con colour.

Glad I stuck with it because I'm already ahead now ^^

[Seredoc]

Remove ability to run this on Windows 7/8 environments, not classic.

WTB windows 98 and dial up modem

[Lisset]

The whole "classic" argument is bullshit. They went out of their way to make the boats in oot go the opposite directions. Regardless of whether it makes more sense, this is an obvious and intentional change to NOT be classic.

So yeah, the con color in target box (and light blue cons) could have been left alone. The "it's classic" argument simply has no relevance when they pick and choose what to mess with.

Likewise, saying that they're trying to make it as close to classic as possible is just a blatant lie.

[iruinedyourday]

I hope the old UI makes it back in, however I hope I can also tab out of it into a multi chat box window that I currently use.

But when I started on the server I was disappointed that it didn't have the old UI.

When did they first let you stop using the tiny window with the single chat box? I recall it being pretty early, before kunark.. But I have done no research. Has anyone on this thread seen this been discussed ad nauseum in threads before it? What was the answer?

[no chewie dont]

Why all the bluebies upset over this? Determining level of npc is so crucial you cant just hit 'c'?

[rekreant]

NOT CLASSIC!

Neither are years of Kunark. Please turn back on color con on target.

[Pyrocat]

Is hitting the "C" key really all that tedious?

[Invoke]

Why all the bluebies upset over this? Determining level of npc is so crucial you cant just hit 'c'?


http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/343/605/070.jpg

[nilbog]

http://media.giphy.com/media/kGirnWjxLimje/giphy.gif

[Daldaen]

Turn it back on, and add the custom "Cats in the Lost Dungeons of Norrath" expansion.

Also can we get an "item price" add on for EC? I hate having to look up average prices each time to work out what to offer a seller, its super inconvenient having to do that each time and impedes my TunnelQuest progress to the top of the ladder.

Took until post 4 on your new account to use TunnelQuest. I'm impressed.

[Uuruk]

Dont see any pussy threads in the red section like this.

[Haynar]

Maybe we can implement the bazaar trader code in EC too. That way ppl can set up afk traders around shady.

H

[Daldaen]

Maybe we can implement the bazaar trader code in EC too. That way ppl can set up afk traders around shady.

H

Oh lord Jesus. I'd love to not have to interact with people when trading <3. I just wish more stores and restaurants would do this. I hate people.

[Splorf22]

good movie, too

[Pyrocat]

Oh lord Jesus. I'd love to not have to interact with people when trading <3. I just wish more stores and restaurants would do this. I hate people.

Bargaining is half the fun!

[Varsha]

I recently joined the server, 3 months ago. While I understand the no 2 boxing, making it close to classic EQ. Butwhy remove something we had and that was working great for everyone?

As a cleric I cycle a lot through targets. Con color on the box helped a lot. Now I have to add hitting "C" to my cycling and keep healing people. Its pretty much like trading your cable connection and going back to 14k modem for "Classic".

A stupid change to "classic" that didnt need to be in the game at this point. Bring back the Con color box please <3 Its not game breaking, its not a threat to socialization, but its clearly a threat to enjoyment factor. Less enjoyment = less people in the community.

[Raistin]

Maybe we can implement the bazaar trader code in EC too. That way ppl can set up afk traders around shady.

H

Thats a stretch. Any word on when /who all LFG will be fixed or is that 'not classic'?

[HippoNipple]

I'm zoning way to fast. Is there a way to implement a static zone time on top of actual loading times to replicate my 1999 experience?

I would also like to look into random crashes on Sundays to represent my mom picking up the phone to make her weekly call to grammy and grampy resulting in a crash on my 56k modem connection.

[iruinedyourday]

what is this reddit day z? how many cooks do we need in this kitchen.

2, rogen and nilbog.

[Daldaen]

Explain to me why you need to con people you are healing.

If you're healing them, they are likely in your group. If they are in your group, they likely range between +/- 5 levels from your level. If they range +/- 5 levels then their HP relative to yours will be pretty similar. The main difference being gear and class. So knowing their class /who and inspecting them, are far better avenues to assess what amount of healing is necessary.

Or... You could just figure out class/level of everyone when joining the group then spend a few minutes feeling out their HP pools (Or just inspect them and see what kind of gear they have).

I really fail to understand the need for con being listed in your target window.

[no chewie dont]

I recently joined the server, 3 months ago. While I understand the no 2 boxing, making it close to classic EQ. Butwhy remove something we had and that was working great for everyone?

As a cleric I cycle a lot through targets. Con color on the box helped a lot. Now I have to add hitting "C" to my cycling and keep healing people. Its pretty much like trading your cable connection and going back to 14k modem for "Classic".

A stupid change to "classic" that didnt need to be in the game at this point. Bring back the Con color box please <3 Its not game breaking, its not a threat to socialization, but its clearly a threat to enjoyment factor. Less enjoyment = less people in the community.

rofl yeh if i cant see color of con in target window i quit too!!

[Varsha]

Explain to me why you need to con people you are healing.

If you're healing them, they are likely in your group. If they are in your group, they likely range between +/- 5 levels from your level. If they range +/- 5 levels then their HP relative to yours will be pretty similar. The main difference being gear and class. So knowing their class /who and inspecting them, are far better avenues to assess what amount of healing is necessary.

Or... You could just figure out class/level of everyone when joining the group then spend a few minutes feeling out their HP pools (Or just inspect them and see what kind of gear they have).

So Im assuming you don't heal people out of your group and you probably try to click your target and keep missing the one you really wanna get? :P

Since we not all 60 here, con is important to see if you healing a green pet or blue/red pet. Why heal a pet? If I know the chanter is next on aggro list, yes I will heal the red pet offtanking a mob ->protecting my chanter. If its green pet, I move to healing the chanter right away cause dmg will come in.

When you get lom, you wanna heal a lightblue target or a red one? Lets say you raid in PoH with some lowbies (like me), as a new player in the community and a cleric, I don't get to spend a few minutes "feeling out" their HP pools. I have to heal HERE AND NOW and be on the ball. So I choose my targets. Triage sucks but its an important part of keeping the core of a raid alive.

So con and cycling can make the difference between someone playing a cleric and someone who is a cleric.


<3 Bring back the con colored box~!

[Thulack]

So Im assuming you don't heal people out of your group and you probably try to click your target and keep missing the one you really wanna get? :P

Since we not all 60 here, con is important to see if you healing a green pet or blue/red pet. Why heal a pet? If I know the chanter is next on aggro list, yes I will heal the red pet offtanking a mob ->protecting my chanter. If its green pet, I move to healing the chanter right away cause dmg will come in.

When you get lom, you wanna heal a lightblue target or a red one? Lets say you raid in PoH with some lowbies (like me), as a new player in the community and a cleric, I don't get to spend a few minutes "feeling out" their HP pools. I have to heal HERE AND NOW and be on the ball. So I choose my targets. Triage sucks but its an important part of keeping the core of a raid alive.

So con and cycling can make the difference between someone playing a cleric and someone who is a cleric.


<3 Bring back the con colored box~!

Lol guess Dald's 2 main toons being a druid and cleric he doesn't know what he's talking about.......Or he does and you just giving stupid excuses as to why you need con's in target window. If your have green pets on your raids then someone else is doing something wrong.

[Daldaen]

Healing a pet sounds like a horrible idea...

If the mob doesn't summon, root it, save your mana healing pets and chanters.

If it does summon, get a knight or ranger to aggro it off enchanters (that's kind of their only role on a raid/in a group). Alternatively, use stuns to pull aggro/mitigate damage as a cleric since you can self heal and tank until said enchanter locks the mob down.

Every raid has downtime and you are often medding. Run up to someone, inspect them by right clicking (which may even con them for you) and check out what kind of gear they have. You'll figure out really quick who gets a remedy and who gets a complete heal.

And yes, I play 2 priests. I heal often in raids and occasionally if I group. I never found myself needing a con color indicator. I understand the need to heal here and now, but EQ really isn't a fast paced game. ESPECIALLY P99. You have time before the raid to figure out classes levels and gear quality of those you're raiding with, and if someone new or late arrives you can figure that stuff out in short order. Otherwise just Remedy til the cows come home.

[Splorf22]

Lol guess Dald's 2 main toons being a druid and cleric he doesn't know what he's talking about.......

Nah, he just likes trolling people about the classic ui

I don't see how anyone can seriously argue that the game would be more fun played with it.

[Xer0]

Is hitting the "C" key really all that tedious?

Just be glad you all have your new fancy UIs with percentages and multiple hotbars and medding without being blind.

One day, we will get cleansed of these horrible things that make players think they are better than classic. And all will be right in the world. Praise classic UI.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/EQ000070.jpg

is there any way to use this ui??? This is what it looked like during my first adventure into norrath as a halfling druid and even though duxa's cleans the ui up I still just want that little stone interface.

[Thulack]

Nah, he just likes trolling people about the classic ui

I don't see how anyone can seriously argue that the game would be more fun played with it.

Not fact of game being more fun. Fact of it being more classic. They already took away compass, con colors and other things that are help people for the sake of classic. Why would they not include classic UI.

[Xer0]

End of Velious 11/2001
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20011107.html

Then there is an error in the games mechanics, as I distinctly recall getting XP from a few greens throughout my time here.

Maybe we can implement the bazaar trader code in EC too. That way ppl can set up afk traders around shady.

H

That's a far cry from what op was saying. That's like saying "Oh you thought target rings made click targeting simpler? How about we put cats on the moon.

I think it was a pointless thing to remove tbh; as long as we're using these updated ui the game will never feel classic.

[Varsha]

Lol guess Dald's 2 main toons being a druid and cleric he doesn't know what he's talking about.......Or he does and you just giving stupid excuses as to why you need con's in target window. If your have green pets on your raids then someone else is doing something wrong.

Dude, like I said I started here 3 months ago. You could be King Hippo and have 5 lvl 60s, I don't care. Its not a testament of your skills, just shows how much time you have invested.

Cons just help as much as knowing the gear people have, buffs they have, class they play. Its another tool in the toolbox.

So yeah maybe Dald is good, I don't know, never played with him, don't know the guy. But I have to admit it doesn't start well when he talks about "failing" to understand the use of con and healing people "likely" in your group. To me that's a patcher.

Still want the con colored box back please <3

[Xer0]

I'm zoning way to fast. Is there a way to implement a static zone time on top of actual loading times to replicate my 1999 experience?

I would also like to look into random crashes on Sundays to represent my mom picking up the phone to make her weekly call to grammy and grampy resulting in a crash on my 56k modem connection.
:D

Seriously, fast load times are not classic as fuck.

[Lisset]

I don't want to hear any dev say "classic" until they put the boats in oot back the way they were. They're just being selective. Classic isn't nearly as important as drinking tears.

[heartbrand]

You could turn off certain text.

But god damn. Turn off Vent, Turn off TS, Turn off Skype. Get 1 chat box.

Now let's race to a dragon and get some FTEs and coordinate some heals and CC during the fight. Like classic was meant to be played.

/drools

I fucking HATE voice chat with classic eq, kills my immersion. Always impressed me that MS was still raiding end game EQ 10 years later using only guild chat, on complex scripted encounters, but yet here a simple Talendor fight is micromanaged with TS.

[Xer0]

I fucking HATE voice chat with classic eq, kills my immersion. Always impressed me that MS was still raiding end game EQ 10 years later using only guild chat, on complex scripted encounters, but yet here a simple Talendor fight is micromanaged with TS.

Is it really that impressive? THey've had how long to learn them? Probably memorized.

[heartbrand]

This was on cutting edge stuff

[Daldaen]

Is it really that impressive? THey've had how long to learn them? Probably memorized.

I was the raid leader in the guild heartbrand refers to. Until about 2012-13, Vent wasn't mandatory. We had Vent during that time but it was mostly used for bullshitting. The raids were also ridiculously more complex than classic EQ. However, one of the big reasons I got away with not using vent or even going over what we were doing in each event is because I wrote up how each event went that could be read in about 2-3 min so people knew WTF was up.

So we would just point apps and tards to our guild's wiki site, and they would know what was going on for the raid and then any raid directions that had to happen on the fly would be typed out by myself or were hotkeys. I probably had 40-50 raid hotkeys of things that I would have to regularly say, and didn't feel like typing. "Blow up red mushrooms!" For example.

Almost all of the raid wiki guides from UF, HoT and VoA were written by myself or another Druid officer at the time. This guide (http://elitegamerslounge.com/home/raidwiki/index.php?title=The_Triune_God) was good fun to write (although I got a bit too verbose with it). That raid was so very awesome. Even with all it's bugs. Atleast until you beat it a few times, then the 2 hour scripted event could die in a fire.

Voice chat I enjoy for Just talking/bullshitting. But for raids, I definitely prefer text. EQ lend itself to that pretty well too. Early on we only had guild chat / shout / OOC / auction to filter chat into. And raids were simple then. Raids got more complex, raid window is added as well as raid chat. Also chat channels come into being.

Everything, even in modern EQ, can be done easily without voice chat. Would be fun if All Vent and TS servers went down and we got a server repop. Just to see how confused people get.

[heartbrand]

TS just creates drama and makes the game feel like a job imho and encourages slacking + bad play

[iruinedyourday]

How do you unsubscribe from posts?

[Daldaen]

Nah, he just likes trolling people about the classic ui

I don't see how anyone can seriously argue that the game would be more fun played with it.

Well, I'll pull a page out of Swish's book and sort of quote the purpose of this server.

Something like "a server to relive the classic EverQuest experience."

People come here for nostalgia. Look helps facilitate that a lot. So does functionality. That UI is something most people identify with as a part of the classic EQ experience.

You like Classic EQ content, though maybe not the classic feeling as much. Cause I'm sure there were no 60 chanters soloing Drusella in classic. Or 60 shamans using puppet strings and 2 rooted pets to solo Sebilite Prot... Your version of fun isn't the same as others.

Plus... I get really tired of people saying how easy crap is with all their non-classic UI features that make the game far more fluid, when it was anything but back then. I'm sure quite a few people's solo artist challenge kills may have failed if they were limited to having a single bag open and limited visibility and a single chat box to watch for spell breaks...

[psway]

Aww man, the sad part is I just explained the conning system to my GF last night(she never played classic). While I played from 2001-2007, I still press "c". She fumbles with the controls from time to time and I finally had her working with the con system. This doesn't break the game but it'll probably break it to her. It's difficulty for the sake of being difficult. If target color is insignificant then why go through the trouble to break it?

[Xer0]

If target color is insignificant then why go through the trouble to break it?

My sentiments exactly. Sadly you're not likely to get more than "shits not classic" in response. bunch of drones.

[iruinedyourday]

I seriously hope rogan and nilbog and co are reading this thread and gonig like this:

http://media3.giphy.com/media/IxJMT1ugyBMdy/giphy.gif

Lets be honest folks.

These people are creating classic EQ... that means on a patch by patch basis, they have to ruin your fucking day.

if you played classic, you'd know that was the hole point of eq... to ruin your fucking life.

[Splorf22]

Cause I'm sure there were no 60 chanters soloing Drusella in classic.

This is 5% UI and 95% game knowledge, though. Basically this boils down to you whining that people are playing the game better than you did in classic. Which isn't really surprising, given that we have had 4 years to figure out every tiny little min/max thing (and we all read the strategy guides and were smart enough not to roll druid).

TLDR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3A9rLoz_0o

[Champion_Standing]

irrelevant change, its going to take what all of 5 mins to get use to hitting C again on every mob, half of us probably do that already. Most UI changes are ultimately useless and do nothing to create or take away from a classic experience. L2Keyboard and stop whining.

[Ikonoclastia]

Is hitting the "C" key really all that tedious?

Just be glad you all have your new fancy UIs with percentages and multiple hotbars and medding without being blind.

One day, we will get cleansed of these horrible things that make players think they are better than classic. And all will be right in the world. Praise classic UI.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/EQ000070.jpg
That actually looks pretty neat and tidy. Totally forgotten about that ui lol. +1 for bringing that back.

[QuantumZebra]

http://media.giphy.com/media/kGirnWjxLimje/giphy.gif

#dead

[Thulack]

How do you unsubscribe from posts?

Go into User CP and edit options on the left side. one of the options is auto subscribe to threads.

[Ikonoclastia]

This is 5% UI and 95% game knowledge, though. Basically this boils down to you whining that people are playing the game better than you did in classic. Which isn't really surprising, given that we have had 4 years to figure out every tiny little min/max thing (and we all read the strategy guides and were smart enough not to roll druid).

TLDR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3A9rLoz_0o
Or soulfires and enchanters with 1 bajillion plats in gear.

[Softcore PK]

We can live without colored target windows. Let's just hope and pray they leave the best UI features until last...

Think this is bad? Just you wait :(

[Splorf22]

This thread has inspired me to watch highlights from classic 80s movies like Airplane. Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines! And stop calling me Shirley!

[Kegir]

http://media.giphy.com/media/kGirnWjxLimje/giphy.gif

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11114/111142124/3898460-8864152835-

Exactly how I pictured Staff's reaction to thread. Lol

[Varsha]

irrelevant change, its going to take what all of 5 mins to get use to hitting C again on every mob, half of us probably do that already. Most UI changes are ultimately useless and do nothing to create or take away from a classic experience. L2Keyboard and stop whining.


I have to waste time to con mobs, cant autorun/mousemove and target stuff to see what I need to avoid while I chat/interact with people and answer tells for rezzes. I have to stop and hit the C key! :P

But seriously, its a change that wasn't needed. Its a waste of time and a part of "classic" that I surely didn't miss.

[LulzSect]

NOT CLASSIC!

[Pyrocat]

I don't want to hear any dev say "classic" until they put the boats in oot back the way they were. They're just being selective. Classic isn't nearly as important as drinking tears.

Wow, could you be more ungrateful? They're being selective because they can't fix everything at the same time. They're doing all this work for free, so the argument "well X item isn't classic, how dare they fix Y item to be classic" is not only flawed, but deeply entitled.

[Daldaen]

This is 5% UI and 95% game knowledge, though. Basically this boils down to you whining that people are playing the game better than you did in classic. Which isn't really surprising, given that we have had 4 years to figure out every tiny little min/max thing (and we all read the strategy guides and were smart enough not to roll druid).

TLDR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3A9rLoz_0o

Maybe... but we won't know until people try to do solo challenges with a tiny view box and you can't have your bags of every clicky ever open and you have to spend time fumbling through your bags for your root nets or WC hat or invis ring or puppet strings or allure wand or potions etc.

I think people who play their classes to the max will be surprised how much a simple UI with limited space will hinder their ability to play quickly.

[iruinedyourday]

Wow, could you be more ungrateful? They're being selective because they can't fix everything at the same time. They're doing all this work for free, so the argument "well X item isn't classic, how dare they fix Y item to be classic" is not only flawed, but deeply entitled.

haha which is why I hope they're fist bumping about this.

This server is theirs, for them. We're just lucky enough that they like to share it with us.

One day on a stained glass window in a church of norathian in the year 2456 there will be two windows above the altar on either side of one with Brad Mquiad, one a cracked out Peter Griffan, the other a cartoonish looking borg I cannot yet make out precisely.

Also elonia would be like the mother teresa of this church.

also sirken would be somewhere above or next to the candles.

also durabael would be somewhere smoting some kneeling peasants.

also greengrocer would achieve sainthood.

also tiggles will be there I am sure.

[Lisset]

Wow, could you be more ungrateful? They're being selective because they can't fix everything at the same time. They're doing all this work for free, so the argument "well X item isn't classic, how dare they fix Y item to be classic" is not only flawed, but deeply entitled.

It's not just "item x isn't classic" it's "Item x was specifically and intentionally changed to not be classic and that's the why the "it's classic" argument is no longer relevant. They're not trying to make it as classic as possible as they've already intentionally implemented something so it specifically wouldn't be classic.

[iruinedyourday]

I just realized when they turn off shadows I will QQ :(

[Varsha]

Wow, could you be more ungrateful? They're being selective because they can't fix everything at the same time. They're doing all this work for free, so the argument "well X item isn't classic, how dare they fix Y item to be classic" is not only flawed, but deeply entitled.

There is a nice little box with a paypal link on the website. Its not because you too cheap to give that the whole community is.

How about making it optional? You want the crazy hit C to con shit load X files, you want colored con box load X files. What do you think?

[blondeattk]

Sad to see this server getting ruined by basement dwelling airheads.

Lets just go backwards all the time.....progress is bad....

SO sad to see promising stuff ruined by incompetence (

[Ikonoclastia]

There is a nice little box with a paypal link on the website. Its not because you too cheap to give that the whole community is.

How about making it optional? You want the crazy hit C to con shit load X files, you want colored con box load X files. What do you think?
It is optional. If you want con color displayed there are other servers.

[Bazia]

all it does is make pulling slightly less convenient

kinda surprised ppl actually care this much

[psway]

The classic argument is, while noble, is flawed. There is precedent for things being changed in terms of balance. See http://wiki.project1999.com/Ivandyr%27s_Hoop intentionally not classic, and im cool with that.Things being changed in for playability or yadda yadda.

I was hoping they would nerf soulfire. As in some other thread we know there is now potentially a lot more soul fires than existed in classic. Thats what I dont understand about trying to adhere to a timeline specifically the timeline and UI...

But in the end its their call, no logic needed, still beats progression servers hands down!

[Bazia]

why do u care so much

[Altair]

Classic is having to stare at your spellbook while ya med, God I hope they don't bring that 'feature' back too...

[iruinedyourday]

Classic is having to stare at your spellbook while ya med, God I hope they don't bring that 'feature' back too...

dude, level 35 never felt so good.

actually currently 35 is the worst.

it was originally the BEST!

[jettoki]

I love this server and I appreciate all the work that goes into it, but this is really a puzzling thing to waste effort on.

It's not a meaningful restriction of information like the classic spellbook or lack of item linking. It's just an arbitrary nerf to readability. It doesn't make the server more classic, it just makes the already broken UI feel more broken.

[Lisset]

It's just an arbitrary nerf to readability. It doesn't make the server more classic, it just makes the already broken UI feel more broken.

[zanderklocke]

Hey GMs, can we complain enough that you make a change to something just because we don't like that mechanic?

Oh, you won't change it?

Bummer.

;)

[Ahldagor]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/EQ000070.jpg

glorious ui

[Adolphus]

Yeah I agree, should change it back. It's been this way for 5 years on the server, really don't need to change something like this.

[Bboboo]

The only take away from this thread is Koreans put Blizzard on the map.

[Erati]

I hated this change however reading some of the QQ in this thread makes me want them to never give in to whining and keep this change in

GOOOOO CLASSIC

[iruinedyourday]

look at the bright side, you can set fade level to 0% now and not miss out on con indication!

[Arteker]

Is hitting the "C" key really all that tedious?

Just be glad you all have your new fancy UIs with percentages and multiple hotbars and medding without being blind.

One day, we will get cleansed of these horrible things that make players think they are better than classic. And all will be right in the world. Praise classic UI.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/EQ000070.jpg

to bad 65 druids are not classic

[maakur]

I'm not going to get dragged into yet another "shit's classic" trolling session, and just ask you to please please return the color con to the target box.

Please.

Seconded :(

[jcr4990]

I'm not trying to sound like a crybaby but I realize this post will probably come off that way to the die-hard p99 dev defenders. But this is just so completely unnecessary. I was kinda teetering on the edge of not playing anymore and this pretty much sealed the deal for me. I don't give 2 sh*ts about "Not Classic" this does nothing but make the game less fun.

[Daldaen]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/EQ0000000_zpsaf404b17.png

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/EQ000000_zps27f42d0c.png

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/EQ000001_zpsc811dd07.png

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/EQ000002_zpsd1fa5a07.png

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/EQ000003_zpsc520786d.png

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/EQ000004_zps2ccaec90.png

Really wish pulling this UI onto Titanium Client were more easily doable. The persona thing being bugged is sadface too.

[Erati]

omg look how the skills are listed !

[iruinedyourday]

this does nothing but make the game less fun.

XD how can this POSSIBLY be such an issue for people.

[Daldaen]

omg look how the skills are listed !

I know right. Can't even tell what your exact skill is at. Just awful and excellent.

God classic was so legit. Also note Heat Resist = Fire Resist

[Kevris]

Why all the mad, bros?

I wish they could put in the old-school night vision and the ancient stare at the book UI ...

[psway]

I remember continually using this UI untill I overherd people discussing the newer UI. For a while there was a command in game to switch back and forth between the classic UI and the velious UI.

[Lisset]

i actually wouldn't mind the old-school night darkness, this from someone who plays a human main.

[Dragonsblood1987]

Yeah, everyone agrees it should be changed back. Idk how, but this had to have benefited TMO in some fashion, as that's the only reason the gms do anything here.

[Ikonoclastia]

The classic argument is, while noble, is flawed. There is precedent for things being changed in terms of balance. See http://wiki.project1999.com/Ivandyr%27s_Hoop intentionally not classic, and im cool with that.Things being changed in for playability or yadda yadda.

I was hoping they would nerf soulfire. As in some other thread we know there is now potentially a lot more soul fires than existed in classic. Thats what I dont understand about trying to adhere to a timeline specifically the timeline and UI...

But in the end its their call, no logic needed, still beats progression servers hands down!
I think nerfing soulfires is something that should be looked into. Makes a lot of sense to stick with the real life timeline for nerfs of items. It was nerfed after 2 years should probably be nerfed after 2 years here too.

Same for CoS and other OP items imo.

While this change is not that big, it makes it more classic, as does the removal of non-pally soulfires and the tons of CoS and other items that far outnumber the number that dropped on live.

Classic feel > exact classic mechanics.

Someone will probably say some of the times that dropped in live when expansions came out would then not drop (like unnerfed CoS) but then many of the servers that were put up were put up after the nerfs so they never had unnerfed items anyway making that classic.

[skorge]

The real question is when are item links going to be removed from P99? How will those who keep arguing "it's classic" defend that? Nilbog needs to go ahead and get rid of in-game item links. Who cares what people think. He just took that mentality by removing the con color on target box (this was really convenient and now its gone).

I say get rid of in-game item links. We need to take it back to 1999 for real and manually type our item stats out.

Also ban people from making apps like REAL TIME AUCTION TRACKER, that's not classic. Pretty sure nobody had any such scripts back in 1999/2000 era.

Who's with me on this? lol

[Ikonoclastia]

The real question is when are item links going to be removed from P99? How will those who keep arguing "it's classic" defend that? Nilbog needs to go ahead and get rid of in-game item links. Who cares what people think. He just took that mentality by removing the con color on target box (this was really convenient and now its gone).

I say get rid of in-game item links. We need to take it back to 1999 for real and manually type our item stats out.

Also ban people from making apps like REAL TIME AUCTION TRACKER, that's not classic. Pretty sure nobody had any such scripts back in 1999/2000 era.

Who's with me on this? lol
I think links are part of the client.

[OriginalQin]

I can't recall: in classic Kunark era EQ, did mobs shout FTE announcements?

[jcr4990]

I can't recall: in classic Kunark era EQ, did mobs shout FTE announcements?Yeah they totally did. Also everyone had broadband internet connections and computers capable of running EQ at 100+ fps. Single chat box + stare at spellbook to med. List goes on and on and on. If you're gonna throw all convenience out the window and piss ppl off. Might as well go full steam ahead and just implement every shitty classic mechanic so people can quit and get it over with.

Serious question: How many people legit complained that con color on target window annoyed them cause it wasn't Classic? I'll bet money it wasn't very many...

[radda]

raiding end game EQ 10 years later using only guild chat, on complex scripted encounters, but yet here a simple Talendor fight is micromanaged with TS.

[Wonkie]

everyone is mine to torment

[jamsen]

Hey Devs,

My point is simple - this was an arbitrary change that did nothing to promote what the real classic experience is all about: needing to work together, your actions having consequences (factions/racial tensions), the adrenaline rush when your group over comes the train that some asshat bard dragged over your camp... this was the real classic experience, not some arbitrary recreation of meaningless UI tweaks for the sake of resurrecting limitations of technology in 1999/2000 only anger and annoy the new players who want to see what it was all about and only saves to feel the trolls in the forums who respond with "Shits Not Classic".

If you feel crappy 1999/2000 UI technology is really required to make the ultimate classic experience, then you should be focusing efforts on finding Velious CD's and make it to where I can play Project1999 on my Pentium 133 with my amazing 8MB video card and 128MB RAM on Windows 95 with 800x600 CRT VGA display and a 400x300 view port with static interface elsewhere. (yes, I have this machine in the closet.)

Congratulations, I hope the time invested in this UI tweak was worth it. Someone better get a ban hammer on the all the people developing custom UIs that add buff timers for the entire group and even have maps working again.

The reasons I listed above are the reason I keep coming back to Project 1999, not these pointless UI tweaks.

EDIT: I should add that I do feel you've done an amazing job with most of the game and for the love of the game. I just think changes like this are not really necessary and the time invested could be better invested elsewhere.

[iruinedyourday]

who cares who complained about con color, nil didnt like it so he got rid of it, suck it up bitches

[Taminy]

snip

But that's not the true classic UI. Only noobs played in that windowed mode. You could go full screen since day 1 (beta in fact):

This was it if you pressed F10:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/Kemadin/mm02.jpg

I'm not sure why everyone thinks you could only use the windowed one during classic.

[YoloSwag]

this change is stupid, but its not our server, so its not our rules. its just a burden we'll have to live with.

another reason why i wish soe would just release there own true classic server cause i know they wouldnt do stupid shit like this.

[iruinedyourday]

this change is stupid, but its not our server, so its not our rules. its just a burden we'll have to live with.

another reason why i wish soe would just release there own true classic server cause i know they wouldnt do stupid shit like this.

is this real life?

this mother fuckn thread is worse than a youtube comments section, why do I keep coming back smh

[Wonkie]

I AM SO MAD AT THIS FREE TO PLAY VIDEO GAME!!!

[YoloSwag]

is this real life?

this mother fuckn thread is worse than a youtube comments section, why do I keep coming back smh

then why do you keep posting? you contribute nothing. all you do is troll.

[Frogie305]

Is hitting the "C" key really all that tedious?

Just be glad you all have your new fancy UIs with percentages and multiple hotbars and medding without being blind.

One day, we will get cleansed of these horrible things that make players think they are better than classic. And all will be right in the world. Praise classic UI.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/EQ000070.jpg

how do i even set up this ui ?

[jcr4990]

All I want for Christmas is a EQ server with classic/kunark/velious content without the blatantly stupid classic mechanics just for the sake of "classic". Keep target rings and con colors and hell even maps are fine by me. The quality of life improvements to EQ weren't what ruined it the content and PoK/heavy instancing is what ruined EQ for me. Not whether or not I had a map or could easily tell what con a mob was without hitting C. All these classic changes lately serve no real purpose and the amount of people that hate the changes outweighs the people that like them "cause classic brah!" by prolly ~500-1.

[iruinedyourday]

then why do you keep posting? you contribute nothing. all you do is troll.

dude im the ony one here saying nice things about the devs XD

[Glenzig]

All I want for Christmas is a EQ server with classic/kunark/velious content without the blatantly stupid classic mechanics just for the sake of "classic". Keep target rings and con colors and hell even maps are fine by me. The quality of life improvements to EQ weren't what ruined it the content and PoK/heavy instancing is what ruined EQ for me. Not whether or not I had a map or could easily tell what con a mob was without hitting C. All these classic changes lately serve no real purpose and the amount of people that hate the changes outweighs the people that like them "cause classic brah!" by prolly ~500-1.

You should get to work on that right away.

[Haynar]

Running your own emu server is easy. Beware of the script kiddie asshats. They will ruin the fun.

H

[Shannacore]

People on P99 will always pick and choose what features should be implemented because "It's classic!" or "It's not fair!" or "That just makes the game unnecessarily harder!".

Quit QQing, dummies.

[YoloSwag]

People on P99 will always pick and choose what features should be implemented because "It's classic!" or "It's not fair!" or "That just makes the game unnecessarily harder!".

Quit QQing, dummies.

How are we dummies for preferring a feature that isn't game breaking or classic? I don't think people are asking to much.

I can only imagine how high on their horse the dev team is feeling right now.

[jcr4990]

We seem to be ignoring the fact that there's a very limited market of people that want to play old school EQ content. P99 is the most popular and regardless of whatever dumb changes happen will likely continue to have a stranglehold on the market to the point that no other server has much of a chance of having a semi-acceptable population. The only exception is if by some miracle SoE decided to launch their own classic server. That's the only thing that has any chance of dethroning P99. People are invested in their characters and would likely stay even if a mildly better server were to surface. So in conclusion "just make your own server" argument is pretty dumb.

[Ikonoclastia]

this change is stupid, but its not our server, so its not our rules. its just a burden we'll have to live with.

another reason why i wish soe would just release there own true classic server cause i know they wouldnt do stupid shit like this.
They wouldn't do it because they would want to pull from the casual crowd which is why they added all the bullshit they added that killed EQ.

Whine whine whine, camps too long, can't get a camp in 5 minutes, can't play ALL night like those pooples with great gear, staring at the spell book is too hard and dangerous, can't get a group, there aren't enough clerics, rangers suck really bad... for years the whining went on which encouraged Sony to 'fix' those things, including the ever so difficult to press C key.

Press C ffs.

[jcr4990]

They wouldn't do it because they would want to pull from the casual crowd which is why they added all the bullshit they added that killed EQ.

Whine whine whine, camps too long, can't get a camp in 5 minutes, can't play ALL night like those pooples with great gear, staring at the spell book is too hard and dangerous, can't get a group, there aren't enough clerics, rangers suck really bad... for years the whining went on which encouraged Sony to 'fix' those things, including the ever so difficult to press C key.

Press C ffs.You honestly can't see the difference between huge changes like PoK teleports making the world feel small and heavy instancing ruining the game and stuff like not being able to tell what green mobs give exp and which ones don't and whether or not you have to press C to see what con a mob is?

Hint: There's a big difference. Certain changes made the game better. Others made it worse. I don't get the mentality "Let's implement shitty changes nobody wants just so we can say "Classic gais!" I'm sure you'll reply with some tired old argument along the lines of "Well where do we draw the line then?!" but that's a cop out and you know it. I think the vast majority of people playing on this server would agree that being able to see con without hitting C isn't something they feel dumbs down the game or should be changed. Nor would they approve of getting rid of light blue and making all light blues green thereby eliminating any way of knowing which green mobs will give you exp and which ones won't. This isn't hard man.... Why can't we just make the game fun? Contrary to popular belief IT IS possible to have the benefits of Classic EQ without all the terrible game mechanics that went with it.

[Ikonoclastia]

You honestly can't see the difference between huge changes like PoK teleports making the world feel small and heavy instancing ruining the game and stuff like not being able to tell what green mobs give exp and which ones don't and whether or not you have to press C to see what con a mob is?

Hint: There's a big f***ing difference. Certain changes made the game better. Others made it worse.
Its more a matter of feature creep, a slippery slope thing. So they leave this one thing in then the next thing that wasn't classic gets left out because they left this in, and so and so on.

There's already many posts on these forums that use that argument. IMO and its only my opinion, if it can be made classic easily (like this thing) then it should be regardless of whether its big or small.

And if its such a small thing then its really not worth worrying about now its been removed.

[jcr4990]

Its more a matter of feature creep, a slippery slope thing. So they leave this one thing in then the next thing that wasn't classic gets left out because they left this in, and so and so on.

There's already many posts on these forums that use that argument. IMO and its only my opinion, if it can be made classic easily (like this thing) then it should be regardless of whether its big or small.

And if its such a small thing then its really not worth worrying about now its been removed.Edited my previous post. Totally knew that you would respond with the slippery slope argument *sigh*

[utenan]

jeez, people didn't even complain this much when they took the target rings away : p

[blondeattk]

imo this should be voted on by the server.

the few simpletons `classic at all costs` will soon realise they are a minority and hopeful stop being a painin the ass.

However this server is run by mordor and not the parthenon.

dictators rulez i guess!

[OriginalQin]

I wish people who don't even play anymore and just troll p99 forums would stop weighing in. The changes in this patch have been very frustrating to deal with so far. Try cc'ing a caster that has a pet. All you see in the focus bar is "froglok dar sha". That could be the caster or its pet. Now the only way to tell is to try to find out which one hopping around on the screen has a brighter text color. This is a ridiculous level of difficulty only in place because of original developer oversight.

Try actually playing instead of being a weirdo who just trolls the forums 24/7. The changes are annoying as hell, add nothing to the game, and do not at all counterbalance the other non-classic changes still in game.

For example: Item links and multiple chat windows. Oh, what's that you say? Some people like GM Sirken enjoy the non-classic detail, so it stays? Come on. The rule is bogus and these idiotic gameplay-reducing changes need to be reversed.

[Ikonoclastia]

Edited my previous post. Totally knew that you would respond with the slippery slope argument *sigh*
Its a valid point. Consider is a command, much like hailing, its not supposed to be automatic. One thing though I'm not sure is working like classic is double clicking for consider. Doesn't seem to work but should.

Edit: you can just right click to consider so not much difference.

[Tongpow]

ITT people who think the devs actually give a shit what they think.

it's cute

[Seredoc]

inb4 rnf

edit:

also, I like the "internet tough guy" swanson, sending me a mesage then running away like a bitch

http://s18.postimg.org/86k8xkmo9/EQ000001.png (http://postimage.org/)

as I am zoning he messages me and then before I am done he is logged off. Man...you showed me for liking the changes to a more classic setting. And yes, I would sign such a petition for the old ui back. Item links too, cuz if we're going classic then let's make shit classic

[Millburn]

This thread is hilarious, all these young bloods bucking against the classic stallion.

Classic has and always will be the ultimate direction this server takes, sometimes it gets there slower for some things than others but it'll get there eventually. The server is free yo, if you don't like certain things you only have yourself to blame. You knew the M.O. before you even signed up.

[Seredoc]

This thread is hilarious, all these young bloods bucking against the classic stallion.

Classic has and always will be the ultimate direction this server takes, sometimes it gets there slower for some things than others but it'll get there eventually. The server is free yo, if you don't like certain things you only have yourself to blame. You knew the M.O. before you even signed up.

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4619969024/h4DCCA476/

[Eliseus]

I find it outstanding that the devs try and create a classic as possible server. I also find it asinine that people on this server really don't approve of quality of life adjustments on a server that is clearly not classic and will never be, not just because there is no way to replicate it fully 100%, but because things have already been changed from classic standpoints or other things blatantly won't be changed to classic.

Like someone else previously mentioned, it isn't some devastating change, and people will adjust, but the thought that this toxic community really spams "not classic" with the implication that this server will ever be what they had in 1999 shows how ignorant most of you really are.

[OriginalQin]

This thread is hilarious, all these young bloods bucking against the classic stallion.

I started playing in June 99 after my friend and I finally got our PCs upgraded enough to install EQ. I'm a young blood!

[Seredoc]

I find it outstanding that the devs try and create a classic as possible server. I also find it asinine that people on this server really don't approve of quality of life adjustments on a server that is clearly not classic and will never be, not just because there is no way to replicate it fully 100%, but because things have already been changed from classic standpoints or other things blatantly won't be changed to classic.

Like someone else previously mentioned, it isn't some devastating change, and people will adjust, but the thought that this toxic community really spams "not classic" with the implication that this server will ever be what they had in 1999 shows how ignorant most of you really are.
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSf4u1Dgv_zR6fUSDkbIhV2DBOqciTfC HzyKn20muG-KKd1LYpF

[Eliseus]

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSf4u1Dgv_zR6fUSDkbIhV2DBOqciTfC HzyKn20muG-KKd1LYpF

Cool

[Millburn]

but the thought that this toxic community really spams "not classic" with the implication that this server will ever be what they had in 1999 shows how ignorant most of you really are.

Well that's a giant fucking slap in Nilbog's face, stay classy man.

[iruinedyourday]

ITT people who think the devs actually give a shit what they think.

it's cute

I love how they think that thier opinion is equal to the peoples that work on it XD

oh sirkin like this so it stays? yet I do nothing and play this free game and I want X and i dont get it? its Bullshit!

lol so comedy.

[Eliseus]

Well that's a giant fucking slap in Nilbog's face, stay classy man.

Facts are facts. There is no intention to slap anyone in the face. Just pointing out the obvious. Like I mentioned in previous post and will mention again, it really is outstanding for the development team to create a server that is as close to that era as possible, but for the community to come a guns a blazing firing off "not classic" rounds at everything is asinine.

[Seredoc]

Facts are facts. There is no intention to slap anyone in the face. Just pointing out the obvious. Like I mentioned in previous post and will mention again, it really is outstanding for the development team to create a server that is as close to that era as possible, but for the community to come a guns a blazing firing off "not classic" rounds at everything is asinine.

https://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1386/29/1386292467165.gif

[iruinedyourday]

Well that's a giant fucking slap in Nilbog's face, stay classy man.

Im just curious but i cant figure out how this is a slap in nilbogs face? isnt he just saying that people are being toxic and shouldnt take his work for granted?

I stupid.

[Seredoc]

Im just curious but i cant figure out how this is a slap in nilbogs face? isnt he just saying that people are being toxic and shouldnt take his work for granted?

I stupid.

Ok, let's break this down then

I find it outstanding that the devs try and create a classic as possible server.

Good starting comment, the staff do really deserve thanks for their eforts

I also find it asinine that people on this server really don't approve of quality of life adjustments on a server that is clearly not classic and will never be...

slap # 1, both to Nilbog and to the community. Also, your quality of life is not classic which is 100% the purpose of the efforts of Rogean, Nilbog & co. here

...not just because there is no way to replicate it fully 100%, but because things have already been changed from classic standpoints or other things blatantly won't be changed to classic.

ad hominem, slap # 2

Like someone else previously mentioned, it isn't some devastating change...

Then why all the butthurt? Cry me a river...

...and people will adjust...

...build me a bridge...

but the thought that this toxic community really spams "not classic" with the implication that this server will ever be what they had in 1999 shows how ignorant most of you really are.

...and get over it.

"not classic" is the reason it was removed. Ignorant pretty well covers this posters mindset, along with self important, self righteous and ungrateful which is slap #3

Me, I am just an asshole, and proud of it.

[Bazia]

people complaining about classic features on a classic server

[11bangbang]

Wow, could you be more ungrateful? They're being selective because they can't fix everything at the same time. They're doing all this work for free, so the argument "well X item isn't classic, how dare they fix Y item to be classic" is not only flawed, but deeply entitled.
theyre not doing this shit for free. theyre fucking gods in norrath and were their slaves. im sure just like crooked cops they enjoy having a power play and control over 1000+ people whenever they log into this fucked up game.

[Ikonoclastia]

theyre not doing this shit for free. theyre fucking gods in norrath and were their slaves. im sure just like crooked cops they enjoy having a power play and control over 1000+ people whenever they log into this fucked up game.
That's a stretch. Why would you go to all the trouble to run an EMU when you could just kidnap a couple of girls and keep them in your basement for the same effect?

[skulldudes]

i'm real mad at this change because for some reason my crouch button is bound on the same key as my con button and i keep procrastinating fixing it

holy shit how is this 16 pages

[fastboy21]

That's a stretch. Why would you go to all the trouble to run an EMU when you could just kidnap a couple of girls and keep them in your basement for the same effect?

:eek:

oh my.

in a few weeks you all won't even remember this change took place...**waves hand like jedi**...the secret is there is no spoon...by the time you finish eating this cookie you'll have forgotten all about it...

[Varsha]

theyre not doing this shit for free. theyre fucking gods in norrath and were their slaves. im sure just like crooked cops they enjoy having a power play and control over 1000+ people whenever they log into this fucked up game.

I just want 5min with the guy who made the change, 5min and a gigantic buttpaddle. :p

[11bangbang]

i'm real mad at this change because for some reason my crouch button is bound on the same key as my con button and i keep procrastinating fixing it

holy shit how is this 16 pages
haha, yea when i made this thread i wasnt expecting to get but maybe few views.

[Glenzig]

theyre not doing this shit for free. theyre fucking gods in norrath and were their slaves. im sure just like crooked cops they enjoy having a power play and control over 1000+ people whenever they log into this fucked up game.

Make your own server the way you want and break the chains man. You only have yourself to blame for your continued servitude. Its a free server that you play because you enjoy it. Quit making ridiculous analogies.

[Daldaen]

But that's not the true classic UI. Only noobs played in that windowed mode. You could go full screen since day 1 (beta in fact):

This was it if you pressed F10:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/Kemadin/mm02.jpg

I'm not sure why everyone thinks you could only use the windowed one during classic.

Alloria a noob, I think not!

http://poopspant.com/vp/bank/eq000117.jpg

But the full screen mode one is acceptable too. Still limits to 6 hot button slots, 1 hot bar, and spell book blocks your view.

[Roth]

I put some thought into this topic, here's why I think the change is actually good for the server long term:

First off, nothing happened that ruined the server. All it did was make the game harder to play. If you think about it, almost all classic mechanics just force the player to be more heavily invested in the game world and considering what to do or how to do it. Yes it is a simple thing, but it is another thing that prevents people from playing on auto pilot. Which I think is probably beneficial. If we had all "annoying" classic features removed I think people would faceroll through a lot of content without having to work as hard or put as much thought it. Eq is and was addictive because it is hard, so I think this is overall good because it is another obstacle for players to get through. If you want to go through the "time isn't skill" argument then soe has a nice server where you can buy an 85...

Second thing is I think change is beneficial for the server even if it's somewhat inconvenient or minor. Forcing people to play the game different kinda makes the game new... if they were to say "okay I guess it's good now" and not change anything else, it would get boring because you know nothing new is coming. I think that's why small changes like this and even keeping velious off for basically forever are good because people know the game is still gonna change at some point. That makes it more interesting overall.

Third is that anything that nerfs anything players are gonna complain about. People don't like to be made less powerful or to have something they had taken away. If this wasn't in the server from the start people wouldn't complain, they would accept it's how it is. Basically the devs did the right thing, and people are gonna cry and complain but it was still the right decision for the server. Ofc no one likes it, but we will adapt and the server will be better for it overall in the long run.

[Shannacore]

theyre not doing this shit for free. theyre fucking gods in norrath and were their slaves. im sure just like crooked cops they enjoy having a power play and control over 1000+ people whenever they log into this fucked up game.

hahahahahahahah you are dumb.

[Hailto]

P99 is never going to force that old shitty UI, deal with it.

[Daldaen]

Just you wait.

Playing with your non classic all 8 bags open, 4 hotbars with 10 hotbuttons each. Being able to memorize a spell while looking at your surroundings.

You will rue the way you were coddled into this easymode habit you call your P99 play. That all will come crashing down and when you are expected to play classic as it was meant to be played there will be tears. You may miss your min/max, FTE, SoulFire and Bladestopper spamfest you have now. But shit ain't classic.

Praise classic and Praise Nilbog/Rogean/Haynar's quest for pure classic.

Let's get on the eqw client that still has that classic UI. Oh lord Jesus there would be a fire of awesome.

[gprater]

The point of the server is to get as close to classic everquest as possible. Obviously things are going to be slightly different when there is 15 years of hindsight to work with. With that said, if the point is to emulate classic everquest as best they can, this is another small thing that brings it one step closer, imo.

I would say the point is more like "to re-live the glory days of a genre-defining game"

Now, personally i dont care if I see colors or not, but I do sometimes wonder if they are trying to see if they can duplicate conditions as they were in 99 or really are trying to re-create the fun that was had by so many. These 2 points of View are not one in the same.

my 2 cents worth....nothing more from me :)

[webrunner5]

You have to remember this game, "EQ" was originally designed to attract 12 to 15 years old boys, who did not really know their ass from a hole in the ground compared to an adult. to play this game., that lived in their mom's basement.

Well most adults which most of us are now, that have played this game for years know that the original Devs made a LOT of stupid mistakes that got corrected in later expansions. So we, me as an adult sort of is not going to "play" Classic in this day and age because it pretty much sucked at the time and with what I know and you know going back there totally is just crazy. Piss on everything being "classic". :eek:

[YoloSwag]

All these classic rebuttals are stupid. Having no con color in the target bar, no multiple chat windows, and no shared bank is not what makes this server classic. What makes the server classic is it going up to Velious, corpse runs, etc. Its the game play and the content. Not some simple UI twinks.

And for all the people saying "Go make your own server then HARHARHARHAR". Go fuck yourself!

[Ele]

All these classic rebuttals are stupid. Having no con color in the target bar, no multiple chat windows, and no shared bank is not what makes this server classic. What makes the server classic is it going up to Velious, corpse runs, etc. Its the game play and the content. Not some simple UI twinks.

And for all the people saying "Go make your own server then HARHARHARHAR". Go fuck yourself!

Wait until you have to pull your bags out of the bank to get an item out of them!

[harnold]

I was hitting the C button as said and my finger snapped right off. Posting from the hospital now I'll give periodic updates

[Glenzig]

All these classic rebuttals are stupid. Having no con color in the target bar, no multiple chat windows, and no shared bank is not what makes this server classic. What makes the server classic is it going up to Velious, corpse runs, etc. Its the game play and the content. Not some simple UI twinks.

And for all the people saying "Go make your own server then HARHARHARHAR". Go fuck yourself!

You should probably make your own server and then it can be just like you want it and you wont have to wear a bucket around your neck to catch all the tears.

[Eliseus]

Ok, let's break this down then



Good starting comment, the staff do really deserve thanks for their eforts



slap # 1, both to Nilbog and to the community. Also, your quality of life is not classic which is 100% the purpose of the efforts of Rogean, Nilbog & co. here



ad hominem, slap # 2



Then why all the butthurt? Cry me a river...



...build me a bridge...



...and get over it.

"not classic" is the reason it was removed. Ignorant pretty well covers this posters mindset, along with self important, self righteous and ungrateful which is slap #3

Me, I am just an asshole, and proud of it.

Don't construe my post to support your delusion.

[jcr4990]

You should probably make your own server and then it can be just like you want it and you wont have to wear a bucket around your neck to catch all the tears.Do you honestly believe "Just make your own server" is a valid alternative? P99 pretty much has a monopoly on the very small group of people that enjoy old school EQ content. You do realize that right? Can we at least admit that certain parts of "Classic EQ" were shit and never should have been the way they were? There are LOTS of things that "aren't classic" on this server but we let them slide. Why the pick and choose? Why can't the community vote on what they want implemented and what they don't? Is there ONE person that ACTUALLY PLAYS P99 that is happy about Light Blue no longer existing and no con color on their target window?

God damn I get sick of idiots making the same idiotic arguments over and over.

[no chewie dont]

I play and im happy
every change that brings us closer to classic classic is a+

[Glenzig]

Do you honestly believe "Just make your own server" is a valid alternative? P99 pretty much has a monopoly on the very small group of people that enjoy old school EQ content. You do realize that right? Can we at least admit that certain parts of "Classic EQ" were shit and never should have been the way they were? There are LOTS of things that "aren't classic" on this server but we let them slide. Why the pick and choose? Why can't the community vote on what they want implemented and what they don't? Is there ONE person that ACTUALLY PLAYS P99 that is happy about Light Blue no longer existing and no con color on their target window?

God damn I get sick of idiots making the same idiotic arguments over and over.

You could make your own server where everything gets put up for a vote.

[Glenzig]

So I just looked over in the Red section of the forums. Sure enough, not one post about the change. Wouldn't you think that it would be much more of an impact on a pvp server where everyone is anon? Yet, they aren't crying an ocean of tears. Take a lesson. Shut your mouths and be grateful for the free classic EQ server you can play on due to the free hard work that is done by the staff that has jobs and families.

[jcr4990]

You could make your own server where everything gets put up for a vote.and there would be NOBODY TO VOTE. Like I said P99 has a monopoly on this very small market. Even if a better server came along hardly anyone would play it cause they're invested in their characters here. Did you even read my post or are you just spewing nonsense?

So I just looked over in the Red section of the forums. Sure enough, not one post about the change. Wouldn't you think that it would be much more of an impact on a pvp server where everyone is anon? Yet, they aren't crying an ocean of tears. Take a lesson. Shut your mouths and be grateful for the free classic EQ server you can play on due to the free hard work that is done by the staff that has jobs and families.

Like 5 people play on Red. What exactly is your point?

[no chewie dont]

u mad bro?

[Tewaz]

On Red, a PC has a red name above their head if they are within your pvp range.

[Glenzig]

and there would be NOBODY TO VOTE. Like I said P99 has a monopoly on this very small market. Even if a better server came along hardly anyone would play it cause they're invested in their characters here. Did you even read my post or are you just spewing nonsense?



Like 5 people play on Red. What exactly is your point?

Yeah I read your nonsense. The point is though that you keep making posts with the view that what you feel was good classic content and what the people that actually run the server feel was good classic content should be the merged and compromised upon until everyone is satisfied. That doesn't actually matter, its their server and they feel the change needed to be made. You don't have to like it. If you want a server with all the classic feels you want with added bonuses from more current timelines that make your life easier, then you will ultimately have to either wait for that server to be made or make it yourself. Its not an absurd stance by any stretch of logic.

Also you and I both know that there are much more than 5 people on red, and that this is a much more impactful change for that server than it will ever be for blue. Don't act like its a null point.

[Glenzig]

On Red, a PC has a red name above their head if they are within your pvp range.

So how do you tell if they're yellow, white, or blue?

[Eliseus]

So I just looked over in the Red section of the forums. Sure enough, not one post about the change. Wouldn't you think that it would be much more of an impact on a pvp server where everyone is anon? Yet, they aren't crying an ocean of tears. Take a lesson. Shut your mouths and be grateful for the free classic EQ server you can play on due to the free hard work that is done by the staff that has jobs and families.

We should also be grateful to breath. The entire world should just stop looking for improvements in their life and just be glad that X thing lets them do what they do. It's a shame that mindsets like this exist. It would also be moronic to assume that the devs are really doing this for nothing. No one does anything for nothing, whether its physical tangible rewards, or some kind of mental gratification that they have thousands of people playing on their server. Their is a mission statement though when people come to this server, they already should know what to expect, so you somewhat head in the right direction, just very poorly.

I don't disagree with you at all, people should be more grateful for things like this, but just like the other White Knights in this thread like yourself, seem to confuse peoples attitudes like the OP for not being grateful.

[jcr4990]

Yeah I read your nonsense. The point is though that you keep making posts with the view that what you feel was good classic content and what the people that actually run the server feel was good classic content should be the merged and compromised upon until everyone is satisfied. That doesn't actually matter, its their server and they feel the change needed to be made. You don't have to like it. If you want a server with all the classic feels you want with added bonuses from more current timelines that make your life easier, then you will ultimately have to either wait for that server to be made or make it yourself. Its not an absurd stance by any stretch of logic.

Also you and I both know that there are much more than 5 people on red, and that this is a much more impactful change for that server than it will ever be for blue. Don't act like its a null point.It's a much more impactful change for 100 people. Sure. It's a super annoying change that honestly might be enough to break the camels back and make me not play anymore on blue where ~1500 people regularly play. I spent a lot of time soloing light blues cause it was most efficient for me. Now I have no way to tell. GG awesome "Classic" mechanics.

[Millburn]

It's a super annoying change that honestly might be enough to break the camels back and make me not play anymore on blue where ~1500 people regularly play. I spent a lot of time soloing light blues cause it was most efficient for me. Now I have no way to tell. GG awesome "Classic" mechanics.

You poor mistreated child, let's all shower you in the pity you deserve. Now now, it's okay...we won't let the terrible game breaking inconvenience hurt you any longer.

[Glenzig]

We should also be grateful to breath. The entire world should just stop looking for improvements in their life and just be glad that X thing lets them do what they do. It's a shame that mindsets like this exist. It would also be moronic to assume that the devs are really doing this for nothing. No one does anything for nothing, whether its physical tangible rewards, or some kind of mental gratification that they have thousands of people playing on their server. Their is a mission statement though when people come to this server, they already should know what to expect, so you somewhat head in the right direction, just very poorly.

I don't disagree with you at all, people should be more grateful for things like this, but just like the other White Knights in this thread like yourself, seem to confuse peoples attitudes like the OP for not being grateful.

Oh I'm sorry. I thought this was an internet game, not actual real life. You're right con color in target boxes are just like the polio vaccine.

[psway]

Yeah the server is theirs so really anything goes like RMTing for a fund raiser or nerfing the UI or nerfing Ivandyr's Hoop for the sake of balance. Their server their call.

But I would be willing to bet that more people would be willing to donate, in whatever means, if they felt like the server was a community. Instead of being reminded that nothing here belongs to them. Even though, a large amount of content is developed and maintained in conjunction with the user base testing and participating in the process. Things like this make you feel like a customer and customers don't give 2 shits about bugs or problems unless they affect them adversely.

Just an observation.

Doesn't some of these things come back in velious at some point anyways?

[Ele]

Oh I'm sorry. I thought this was an internet game, not actual real life. You're right con color in target boxes are just like the polio vaccine.

for real busted a gut laughing in my office

[Eliseus]

Oh I'm sorry. I thought this was an internet game, not actual real life. You're right con color in target boxes are just like the polio vaccine.

You have a stupid opinion, stick with that stupid opinion. Don't try and deter from it because someone else pointed out how stupid you are.

[Glenzig]

It's a much more impactful change for 100 people. Sure. It's a super annoying change that honestly might be enough to break the camels back and make me not play anymore on blue where ~1500 people regularly play. I spent a lot of time soloing light blues cause it was most efficient for me. Now I have no way to tell. GG awesome "Classic" mechanics.

That's 100 people who aren't complaining versus the 10 to 15 or so that keep whining on this server. You're already outvoted by your own argument.

[LulzSect]

u mad bro?

[Glenzig]

You have a stupid opinion, stick with that stupid opinion. Don't try and deter from it because someone else pointed out how stupid you are.

I don't view this game as seriously as real life and that's a stupid opinion? You're way over immersed my friend.

[jcr4990]

That's 100 people who aren't complaining versus the 10 to 15 or so that keep whining on this server. You're already outvoted by your own argument.So 10-15 whining out of 1500 and nobody whining out of 100 and this surprises you? Somehow makes me outvoted? Besides that you do know ppl that play Red post on server chat forums regularly right?

Holy shit lol. I don't get you man. Do you think before you speak at all?

[Glenzig]

So 10-15 whining out of 1500 and nobody whining out of 100 and this surprises you? Somehow makes me outvoted?

Holy shit lol. I don't get you man. Do you think before you speak at all?

You're the one that proposed a vote. And yes, if its such a game breaking change on blue, it should be an outrage on red. But it doesn't seem to be at all so far.

[Eliseus]

I don't view this game as seriously as real life and that's a stupid opinion? You're way over immersed my friend.

No one said the game is real life, I simply gave an example to refute your opinion that everyone should just be grateful for what they have. You are the one taking it to extra lengths without obviously even reading the rest of my post to try and validate some point you made that is irrelevant at this point just so you can keep arguing in some attempt to belittle someone else.

Congratulations though, I give you a 5/10 since you have been able to keep me responding to your posts.

[jcr4990]

You're the one that proposed a vote. And yes, if its such a game breaking change on blue, it should be an outrage on red. But it doesn't seem to be at all so far.I don't even... Is this real life? I legit don't even know how to talk to you dude lol. You're either trolling me or just unbelievably stupid.

[Eliseus]

I don't even... Is this real life? I legit don't even know how to talk to you dude lol. You're either trolling me or just unbelievably stupid.

It's both sadly.

[Glenzig]

No one said the game is real life, I simply gave an example to refute your opinion that everyone should just be grateful for what they have. You are the one taking it to extra lengths without obviously even reading the rest of my post to try and validate some point you made that is irrelevant at this point just so you can keep arguing in some attempt to belittle someone else.

Congratulations though, I give you a 5/10 since you have been able to keep me responding to your posts.

We should also be grateful to breath. The entire world should just stop looking for improvements in their life and just be glad that X thing lets them do what they do. It's a shame that mindsets like this exist.

Every counterargument given is a real life example. And obviously my mindset about a game is somehow reflective of my real life views on progress. What did I misunderstand in that?

[YoloSwag]

When I see Glenzig's pic it just makes me imagine that he's just some fat greezy fuck sitting behind a computer, kinda like the wow guy from south park.

[Eliseus]

Every counterargument given is a real life example. And obviously my mindset about a game is somehow reflective of my real life views on progress. What did I misunderstand in that?

No one said the game is real life, I simply gave an example to refute your opinion that everyone should just be grateful for what they have. You are the one taking it to extra lengths without obviously even reading the rest of my post to try and validate some point you made that is irrelevant at this point just so you can keep arguing in some attempt to belittle someone else.

Congratulations though, I give you a 5/10 since you have been able to keep me responding to your posts.

Stop being an idiot.

[YoloSwag]

I know its not our server. We're just voicing our opinion on a small minor change. I know everyone wants to keep the server as classic as possible and is scared that if they go back on something as minute as this change then what will be next.

What were asking really isn't a big deal.

[Glenzig]

When I see Glenzig's pic it just makes me imagine that he's just some fat greezy fuck sitting behind a computer, kinda like the wow guy from south park.

Nah. You would just like that to be true so that you could feel superior to me in some way.

[YoloSwag]

Nah. You would just like that to be true so that you could feel superior to me in some way.

I already do kid cause I'm not the one replying "its not classic" to every post.

[JayN]

you two should make out

[YoloSwag]

you two should make out

Only if you get in on it too JayN ;)

[Glenzig]

I already do kid cause I'm not the one replying "its not classic" to every post.

I actually haven't said that one time.

[Eliseus]

Nah. You would just like that to be true so that you could feel superior to me in some way.

Wow, this guy lol. The hypocrisy is strong with you young padawan.

[Glenzig]

you two should make out

Sounds hot.

[Brutal_X]

I love how there are people bitching over a free EQ server that they literally have put zero work into to keep up. I agree with Glenzig, if you don't appreciate the changes then go make your own server. You say there is a "monopoly" about P1999? Implying that P1999 appeared out of thin fucking air with zero competition. It's not our choice to decide what happens to the server and if you don't like it you can shut up and leave. Simple solution to simple problem.

[Glenzig]

I agree with Glenzig.

What an idiot. ;)

[jcr4990]

I love how there are people bitching over a free EQ server that they literally have put zero work into to keep up. I agree with Glenzig, if you don't appreciate the changes then go make your own server. You say there is a "monopoly" about P1999? Implying that P1999 appeared out of thin fucking air with zero competition. It's not our choice to decide what happens to the server and if you don't like it you can shut up and leave. Simple solution to simple problem.So nobody is allowed to voice concerns over anything that is free? That's pretty solid logic bro. You guys are something else. You're more brainwashed and defensive of P99 than most people are of their religions.

[Brutal_X]

So nobody is allowed to voice concerns over anything that is free? That's pretty solid logic bro. You guys are something else. You're more brainwashed and defensive of P99 than most people are of their religions.

I don't care if you voice your concern, that doesn't really matter to me.

It's when you insist other people who don't agree with you are stupid or ignorant. Then when people call you stupid or ignorant, you get really defensive. If you want to continue to post about something that will likely never be changed to the way you see "fit", then you may.

[jcr4990]

I don't care if you voice your concern, that doesn't really matter to me.

It's when you insist other people who don't agree with you are stupid or ignorant. Then when people call you stupid or ignorant, you get really defensive. If you want to continue to post about something that will likely never be changed to the way you see "fit", then you may.I never called anyone stupid or ignorant for disagreeing with me. I called them stupid or ignorant for being stupid or ignorant.

I know 6 year olds that could make arguments that make more sense than things I've seen Glenzig and others make today. Has nothing to do with whether they agree with me or not.

[Glenzig]

I never called anyone stupid or ignorant for disagreeing with me. I called them stupid or ignorant for being stupid or ignorant.

I know 6 year olds that could make arguments that make more sense than things I've seen Glenzig and others make today. Has nothing to do with whether they agree with me or not.

Don't lie. That's the only thing it has to do with.

[Brutal_X]

I never called anyone stupid or ignorant for disagreeing with me. I called them stupid or ignorant for being stupid or ignorant.

I know 6 year olds that could make arguments that make more sense than things I've seen Glenzig and others make today. Has nothing to do with whether they agree with me or not.

How have they been stupid or ignorant? As far as I can see, this thread hasn't derailed and has stayed pretty on topic.

I also think it's kind of funny that you are more than willing to take time out of your day to pointlessly argue, but you won't take the time to right click or press c on a mob.

[jcr4990]

How have they been stupid or ignorant? As far as I can see, this thread hasn't derailed and has stayed pretty on topic.

I also think it's kind of funny that you are more than willing to take time out of your day to pointlessly argue, but you won't take the time to right click or press c on a mob.Explain to me how I can tell which green mobs give exp and which don't. I can't wait to hear it.

[Glenzig]

How have they been stupid or ignorant? As far as I can see, this thread hasn't derailed and has stayed pretty on topic.

I also think it's kind of funny that you are more than willing to take time out of your day to pointlessly argue, but you won't take the time to right click or press c on a mob.

Pointlessly arguing is classic bro.

[Glenzig]

Explain to me how I can tell which green mobs give exp and which don't. I can't wait to hear it.

Kill them all. Plus that's not what this thread was about.

[Tewaz]

This argument is classic. Not EQ Live classic, but P99 classic.

[no chewie dont]

Light blue con might as well be luclin models, both are an affront to my senses
will not miss

[jcr4990]

Kill them all. Plus that's not what this thread was about.It's part of what I've been talking about this whole time. The removal of LB cons is a bigger deal to me than removing con color on target. While both of them are super annoying and unnecessary. The removal of LB cons makes soloing much more difficult for no good reason. I'm 100% sure that somebody will develop a 3rd party app that reads log when you press C and changes color on/near your target window to circumvent that change anyway. It's dumb that the change even got made but I'm sure there will be a workaround. There's already apps that give maps with locations and syncs with other users.etc that basically gives us map functionality back. But the LB con removal can't be fixed and ruins a lot of peoples every day gameplay.

[no chewie dont]

Gameplay RUINED lol

[jcr4990]

Gameplay RUINED lolNot everyone is lvl 60. I primarily solo'd LB con mobs to lvl up as it was the most efficient. Is that not ruined now? Do I not matter cause I'm not 60? My bad I forgot.

[no chewie dont]

O u matter bro ur a real unique snowflake

[Brutal_X]

It's part of what I've been talking about this whole time. The removal of LB cons is a bigger deal to me than removing con color on target. While both of them are super annoying and unnecessary. The removal of LB cons makes soloing much more difficult for no good reason. I'm 100% sure that somebody will develop a 3rd party app that reads log when you press C and changes color on/near your target window to circumvent that change anyway. It's dumb that the change even got made but I'm sure there will be a workaround. There's already apps that give maps with locations and syncs with other users.etc that basically gives us map functionality back. But the LB con removal can't be fixed and ruins a lot of peoples every day gameplay.

If you want to be spoon fed with easy pixels, go play WoW. This isn't supposed to be easy and it never was in 1999. I was under the impression that this server was supposed to be as classic as possible, hence the name "P1999". This change isn't necessarily "convenient" for anyone, but we deal with it.

[jcr4990]

Ugh.. I can't take all the white knighting anymore. This is worse than arguing with religious ppl. Whatever guys. You win. These changes are awesome and I'm glad we're implementing classic mechanics that the majority of players dislike. I hope it keeps going to the point that nobody wants to play anymore. Then it can truly be "Classic"

Later dudes.

[Glenzig]

Not everyone is lvl 60. I primarily solo'd LB con mobs to lvl up as it was the most efficient. Is that not ruined now? Do I not matter cause I'm not 60? My bad I forgot.

Its not ruined at all actually. Just kill all the green mobs, about half of them should still give you XP.

[Millburn]

You win.


Yay we win.

[Brutal_X]

Ugh.. I can't take all the white knighting anymore. This is worse than arguing with religious ppl. Whatever guys. You win. These changes are awesome and I'm glad we're implementing classic mechanics that the majority of players dislike. I hope it keeps going to the point that nobody wants to play anymore. Then it can truly be "Classic"

Later dudes.

Still acts as if this "white knighting" is a coincidence and we are still all wrong even though the majority agrees with the change. Have a good day, sir.

[jcr4990]

Its not ruined at all actually. Just kill all the green mobs, about half of them should still give you XP.Effectively cutting my exp rate in half.... Yeah.. Not ruined at all..

[jcr4990]

Still acts as if this "white knighting" is a coincidence and we are still all wrong even though the majority agrees with the change. Have a good day, sir.LOL majority agrees hahahah. Man I wish there was a vote for this that everyone that plays P99 participated in. Instead of just white knight forum trolls.

[Millburn]

white knight forum trolls.

Shit's classic
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk)

[drktmplr12]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Computer_keyboard_German-key-C.svg/118px-Computer_keyboard_German-key-C.svg.png

[skulldudes]

lbs give shit experience anyway

[Brutal_X]

LOL majority agrees hahahah. Man I wish there was a vote for this that everyone that plays P99 participated in. Instead of just white knight forum trolls.

You're free to go make a poll thread and prove me wrong. In any case, I thought we won and you were leaving. Why do you keep talking.

[no chewie dont]

Effectively cutting my exp rate in half.... Yeah.. Not ruined at all..

Sorry that your uneffective leveling strategy is now less effective than ever

[jcr4990]

You're free to go make a poll thread and prove me wrong. In any case, I thought we won and you were leaving. Why do you keep talking.Won't prove anything cause probly less than 50% of the people that actually play the game regularly read the forums. If you honestly think the majority of people playing the game support these recent changes you're high on some kinda crazy drug I've never even heard of.

[Brutal_X]

Won't prove anything cause probly less than 50% of the people that actually play the game regularly read the forums. If you honestly think the majority of people playing the game support these recent changes you're high on some kinda crazy drug I've never even heard of.

Make more excuses as to how I am ultimately wrong and you are right. Lol, you're a hoot.

[Millburn]

Won't prove anything cause probly less than 50% of the people that actually play the game regularly read the forums. If you honestly think the majority of people playing the game support these recent changes you're high on some kinda crazy drug I've never even heard of.

Unsubstantiated premise is still unsubstantiated. In the end it doesn't matter though, shit's classic. Deal with it.

[myxomatosii]

This reminds me of when they took the compass away.

People whined and whined and whined.

Just keep whining, you'll get this back. Just like the compass.

[Glenzig]

This reminds me of when they took the compass away.

People whined and whined and whined.

Just keep whining, you'll get this back. Just like the compass.

But the compass never came bac....oh.

[jcr4990]

I don't think anything I say here is going to ultimately change anything. I don't expect these changes to be reverted. I'm simply voicing my concerns and how the changes negatively impacted me. Not ONLY these changes but the cumulative effect of the changes that have been made over the past year or so have made it so I almost don't even want to play anymore and that makes me really sad and I truly do believe the majority of players would agree with me on a lot of these changes but that's besides the point. Sorry for having strong feelings about the game I love. I'll try not to do that in the future.

[Millburn]

I don't think anything I say here is going to ultimately change anything. I don't expect these changes to be reverted. I'm simply voicing my concerns and how the changes negatively impacted me. Not ONLY these changes but the cumulative effect of the changes that have been made over the past year or so have made it so I almost don't even want to play anymore and that makes me really sad and I truly do believe the majority of players would agree with me on a lot of these changes but that's besides the point. Sorry for having strong feelings about the game I love. I'll try not to do that in the future.

"Relive the classic Everquest MMORPG Gaming Experience as it was in 1999 and onward. Project 1999 is a free to play Emulated Everquest Server giving Players the opportunity to experience Classic EQ Once again, currently in the Kunark expansion and a max level of 60, with the look and feel of the old interface and several modifications making game mechanics similar to how the game used to be."

Straight from the front page, stop playing the victim.

[Leeyuuduu]

I'm simply voicing my concerns and how the changes negatively impacted me. Not ONLY these changes but the cumulative effect of the changes that have been made over the past year or so have made it so I almost don't even want to play anymore and that makes me really sad and I truly do believe the majority of players would agree with me on a lot of these changes but that's besides the point.

The server population has only been increasing over the past year despite content stagnation and mass bannings, so chances are that people
like the changes
don't care
or they don't like them but not enough to quit

In addition, there are several free EQ servers out there with a moderate playbase, such as Shards of Dalaya, but people are basically voting with their feet in that they want classic EQ, or something close to classic EQ, by crowding onto P1999

[Glenzig]

The server population has only been increasing over the past year despite content stagnation and mass bannings, so chances are that people
like the changes
don't care
or they don't like them but not enough to quit

In addition, there are several free EQ servers out there with a moderate playbase, such as Shards of Dalaya, but people are basically voting with their feet in that they want classic EQ, or something close to classic EQ, by crowding onto P1999

He's gonna tell you yore dumb.

[jcr4990]

No he's not dumb. He's 100% right. I think people do want an experience close to Classic EQ. But I believe there are certain classic EQ mechanics that serve no real purpose other than to be a nuisance and we are better off without them. I think the majority of people crave classic EQ content and gameplay. They don't want a lot of the classic EQ UI faults and oversights. Besides "It's Classic brah!" what reason is there to have green mobs that give exp and green mobs that don't give exp? Doesn't Light Blue make more sense purely logically?

Just saying. You can have the feel of classic EQ without the bullshit annoyances.


Edit: I chose "don't like them but not enough to quit"

[LulzSect]

lol what a crybaby faggot

[jcr4990]

"Relive the classic Everquest MMORPG Gaming Experience as it was in 1999 and onward. Project 1999 is a free to play Emulated Everquest Server giving Players the opportunity to experience Classic EQ Once again, currently in the Kunark expansion and a max level of 60, with the look and feel of the old interface and several modifications making game mechanics similar to how the game used to be."

Straight from the front page, stop playing the victim.Since you seem to enjoy repeating yourself ad nauseum. I never doubted that any of these changes were "Not Classic" nor did I doubt that P99 strives to be "Classic" I simply stated that these changes are stupid now and were stupid then and we'd be better off without them. You can have the fun of classic EQ gameplay without all the dumb shit.

[Nirgon]

Damn that UI to hell for eternity where it belongs.

I don't like you. At all.

[Leeyuuduu]

what reason is there to have green mobs that give exp and green mobs that don't give exp? Doesn't Light Blue make more sense purely logically?


There's no reason at all, it's completely illogical and stupid.
But for many veterans, that is part of classic EQ's rustic charm. We love the game not just for its perfections but for its imperfections. On a fundamental level, telling classic vets that the con changes make no sense or that targeting rings are better is like telling someone their baby is ugly (even if it is).

[iruinedyourday]

There's no reason at all, it's completely illogical and stupid.
But for many veterans, that is part of classic EQ's rustic charm. We love the game not just for its perfections but for its imperfections. On a fundamental level, telling classic vets that the con changes make no sense or that targeting rings are better is like telling someone their baby is ugly (even if it is).

Kill some rando green mob, got xp message.

http://blogote.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/yes-baby-recruited.png

[fadetree]

THREAD DELIVERS!

[Kevris]

Why the hell would you level up on light blue mobs, anyway? That's asinine.