HELP ME ROGEAN!!

[Bardalicious]

Read Nilbog's recent post in this thread. Your argument has now been made invalid as he clearly stated that the rules would change.

Also to the OP. You are getting everything back you asked for minus a character name. Take that offer and stop posting.

/thread

Wrong. He has offered nothing to compensate my bard other than to change the PW for me, so that at any time he may change it back and steal it again. Why would I trust someone with such low moral standing to stay honest to his word and not mess with the account again?

Also, losing a name is far more important to me than losing the levels.

It's sad that so many of you have become this innately pessimistic about community interactions and caring for other players. It's even more sad that you can't see beyond the characters to the fact that someone out there (me) wasted quite a bit of real life time at this community to have it wrongfully taken away because of an arbitrary change to the system.

You can quote all of the "at your own risk" posts that you want. The fact of the matter is that there was no "risk" involved to those accounts with the system as it currently stood when I sold the eqemu account when it was not against the rules to do so. It came down to me losing my hard work because of a change you guys made to the system.

Even more so, it's really disheartening that someone like you nilbog, whom obviously shares the same love for classic pvp and everquest, could turn away from my pleas for help, when it became more about doing the right thing and less about rule lawyering as everyone here has become accustomed to do.

[Glenzig]

There was a risk. You're experiencing that right now. Its what everyone was warned could happen.

[Ele]

http://i.imgur.com/fyHJyuk.jpg

[Kushie]

Bardalicious doesn't deserve to be helped. I'm sure the GM's appreciate this huge waste of time though.


On that note, fuck Omni.

[Kika Maslyaka]

Seriously man. Read Nilbog's post from 2012 again real carefully. The warning was given that they would most likely be changing the way account info was handled. The warning was given that if you didn't have your account secure at the time that the changes went into effect, you would just have to eat it. What are you still going on about GM responsibility for? If people can't listen to warnings, how is anyone else responsible?

This actually supports my point even more. GMs KNEW that system will change so radically that all old expectations will be broken. Yet, they shown their indifference to account trading, essentially condoning it. What they have in fact told you is "We do not support account trading, but we do not forbid it neither. Do what you like". This is exactly why I claim they are responsible. They are the only ones with power to manage the server. They set the rules. They are responsible for what the rules are. Their 4 year long indifference to account trading only proves that they acted irresponsibly. The rule for account trading should have said "not allowed" from day 1, but instead it said "do what you like - we don't care". GMs are responsible for that. Not having a proper rule-set and ignorance of obviously troublesome situation just as bad as creating this situation themselves. GMs allowed account trading to run rampart because they didn't want to get involved, yet they did not had the will to ban them outright.
I judge others by the same criteria I judge myself. I would have ban account trading from the start. So would many people. But I would also take responsibility for what happened on my watch due to negligence of setting up proper rule-set.

[Glenzig]

This actually supports my point even more. GMs KNEW that system will change so radically that all old expectations will be broken. Yet, they shown their indifference to account trading, essentially condoning it. What they have in fact told you is "We do not support account trading, but we do not forbid it neither. Do what you like". This is exactly why I claim they are responsible. They are the only ones with power to manage the server. They set the rules. They are responsible for what the rules are. Their 4 year long indifference to account trading only proves that they acted irresponsibly. The rule for account trading should have said "not allowed" from day 1, but instead it said "do what you like - we don't care". GMs are responsible for that. Not having a proper rule-set and ignorance of obviously troublesome situation just as bad as creating this situation themselves. GMs allowed account trading to run rampart because they didn't want to get involved, yet they did not had the will to ban them outright.
I judge others by the same criteria I judge myself. I would have ban account trading from the start. So would many people. But I would also take responsibility for what happened on my watch due to negligence of setting up proper rule-set.

We get it. You think that the staff is totally responsible for the players poor decisions. The problem is that nothing you say actually makes any sense, or even matters. Its just your opinion. The fact is that they haven't gotten involved in these disputes in the past, and they aren't going to start now. And its also their server so....

[Kika Maslyaka]

We get it. You think that the staff is totally responsible for the players poor decisions. The problem is that nothing you say actually makes any sense, or even matters. Its just your opinion. The fact is that they haven't gotten involved in these disputes in the past, and they aren't going to start now. And its also their server so....

Which is exactly my point - they do not want to take responsibility for situation they set up and allowed to deteriorate over years. By their negligence, they encouraged the detrimental behavior of the players. Once again - this is not a democracy - they set the rules - they bare full responsibility of those rules or the lack of them.
My ultimate point is - is there is blame to assign - all 3 sides are responsible, each in their own way.
And yeah, everything said here is just an opinion ;)

[Bardalicious]

We get it. You think that the staff is totally responsible for the players poor decisions. The problem is that nothing you say actually makes any sense, or even matters. Its just your opinion.

Your statement could be easily mirrored and applied back to you. You realize that, right?

And "the fact is" that there weren't disputes like these in the past because this dispute is a product of their making by recently changing the system.

[Bardalicious]

As for the car analogy, I may have left my windows down on my two porches in a crime-riddled neighborhood, but the robber didn't even need to break in or come through the windows because the dealership called him up and ended up handing him an extra set of keys to drive away in them clean and clear.

May have been an unwise initial decision to play two accounts on that eqemu, but it's a direct result of Rogean's change that resulted in my losses.

[Gaffin 7.0]

i petitioned about my account when this SMS shit came out, i lost my email pw and recovery doesnt work so im screwed on it

[Glenzig]

Your statement could be easily mirrored and applied back to you. You realize that, right?

And "the fact is" that there weren't disputes like these in the past because this dispute is a product of their making by recently changing the system.

Nope. Read Nilbog's post. It isn't just my opinion, its the actual stance of the staff.

[Bardalicious]

Rogean does a lot etc etc.

[Bardalicious]

Nope. Read Nilbog's post. It isn't just my opinion, its the actual stance of the staff.

Perhaps it's you that needs to read his post, because his generalized statement of disapproval towards character sales doesn't even BEGIN to encompass the nature of my issue.

I have always been opposed to characters being sold or traded.

Ok. That's great. Since the only character that was traded or sold in this case was Drowed, and since she's not in question here, what exactly are you on about? If you'd like to go back onto some tangent about the eqemu account, you can save it, because EQEmu is an entirely different entity than Project 1999 and shouldn't have functions to hijack accounts off of eqemu accounts to fucking begin with. Talk about irresponsible administration.

As for the rest of his post, he referenced implementing a system of prevention to being able to sell accounts, not introducing a shoddy half-assed password recovery system that would allow previously secure accounts to be taken over by people that shouldn't have been able to access them to begin with.

[Bazia]

u sold eqemu which includes all loginserver accts

move on and stop shit talking staff

[Bardalicious]

u sold eqemu which includes all loginserver accts

move on and stop shit talking staff

Obviously disgruntled from playing a dead-end pvp server full of 99 other assholes like himself.

[Derubael]

Bardalicious, I told you what you can do if you want a resolution to this. You are welcome to PM Rogean and ask him to split off the loginserver account to a new EQEmu, but there's a reason why we've never supported this kind of thing except in extreme cases where the mistake is ours (in this case, it most definitely is not ours).

We're happy to help in a huge range of situations here on Project 1999, but this simply isn't one of them. The reason why we haven't allowed account trades is because of situations like this and others.

Also keep in mind if this was Live and this sort of thing was brought to the attention of the live CSR staff, the accounts would likely just be banned. I think it's reasonable to accept the offer Cloki is giving. If you'd like some sort of security, I'd be willing to uphold a player made and signed agreement between the two of you in order to make sure your bard can't be stolen again.

If you'd be interested in attempting to sit down and secure something like this, both of you send me a PM. Otherwise bard, you can try your luck with Rogean. I recommend my suggestion so that you can get back to playing and put this behind you.

Locking the thread. This is my offer, I think it's a fair one. Take it, leave it, either way this matter is closed.

<3

Edit: I'll only uphold something you both agree to. My only capacity here is to make sure that agreement gets followed for the length of the Project.