Crag spiders in EK

[yorumi]

Are the crag spiders in EK considered a camp? I ask because I was just fighting them and had some anon caster, but red to me, show up pull every last one and then say "it's not a camp too bad."

They all spawn in a tight area and it sure seems like it's as much of a camp as orc highway or crocs in oasis. Just wondering if I can expect it to be stolen regularly or if this guy was just a dick?

[yorumi]

Oh good another one showed up. Guess this spot just attracts assholes. I wanted to do these for exp plus silk for tailoring but if this is going to be common place it's not worth it.

Where are some good places to get silk? Doesn't have to be this level I can wait till higher I just don't really know any silk camps besides these.

[Glenzig]

So he tells you its not capable, and then he proceeds to camp it? Great logic right there. Next time just grab the ones you can and take screenshots so you can submit a petition. The more people do this without getting petitioned the more prevalent it will become.

[kryptek]

Maybe we ran into the same guy.. some high level necro was dominating that camp yesterday =/ sucks for people who actually want to gain exp from them.

[yorumi]

It wasn't a necro near as I could tell. One was a 22 wizard, ulyssandra, at least she could get exp there but still there's only 4 spawns by the canyon. I think the other was a wizard too, he was anon and conned red, Belgrath. It's not so much they were camping it per se. It's that they were pulling everything so it was impossible to get anything. Being a chanted I need 2 mobs minimum and at best I could hope for was seeing one up on a spawn before one those two pulled it.

Both were using the same excuse "well it's not a real camp they're roamers." Considering they spawn in a very tight area, there arn't many, and don't move far from said area it's hard to believe anything in the game would be considered a camp under that logic. Perhaps it's not strictly considered a camp under the gm rules but it's still quite a dick move to pull.

I just gave up and switched to an alt, I'll probably just try to get it for a an hour or so before work everyday until I level beyond the spiders.

[Kaleadar]

Where are some good places to get silk? Doesn't have to be this level I can wait till higher I just don't really know any silk camps besides these.

Im so im going to give away my fav spot. Upper Guk Spiders

[Skinned]

Crag Spiders are blue at 22. The poor wizard was soloing low blues because high blues might break root and that equals death with no pet to hide behind or a snare to help get away.

If I see any mob roaming in an outdoor zone it is free game. Things are First Come First Serve as far as I know. Every roamer in an outdoor zone spawns somewhere.

It sucks when high level people are so bad they have to farm low level camps for money. And usually if I am going to farm low level trade skill components like spiderling silk or whatever, if it is camped by a lower level character I just offer to buy what I need. If they show up to XP while I'm farming I'll offer some buffs and either hang and buy whatever they get, or buff and come back later.

Some people just have poor manners, and the rest of us have to live with it. Don't worry, they are probably miserable people living miserable lives :)

[kaev]

Some people just have poor manners, and the rest of us have to live with it. Don't worry, they are probably miserable people living miserable lives :)

Nah, I'm sure he's got a ferarri and 3 corvettes (2 classic, one new) in the garage plus supermodel girlfriends in Paris, New York, and Hong Kong.

[Glenzig]

Nah, I'm sure he's got a ferarri and 3 corvettes (2 classic, one new) in the garage plus supermodel girlfriends in Paris, New York, and Hong Kong.

Most of the people on these forums do.

[captnamazing]

1) step one
step 2) go to a different area
# third) there's lots of this type of thread going around right now
quadronini- server is overpopulated

[Glenzig]

1) step one
step 2) go to a different area
# third) there's lots of this type of thread going around right now
quadronini- server is overpopulated

You're drunk Filbus. Go home.

[Aveenia]

I need spiders for Xp & crafting too, when I go over there I have had the Sam issue. At least I have track & can go someplace else easily as a druid. Ugh.

[yorumi]

Im so im going to give away my fav spot. Upper Guk Spiders

Thanks for that I'll have to give it a try sometime.

[Jimjam]

If you are an enc guk spiders might be a better spot as they drop a tonne of gems worth around five gold to several plat. Sometimes two per kill.

... Assuming you are into jewelcraft... or low weight, high value, stackable loot :P

[Vermicelli]

Oh good another one showed up. Guess this spot just attracts assholes.Consider yourself when complaining maybe?

[Vermicelli]

But for helpful, when I have a camp dispute, I /tell to the other person and let them know I am baller enough to take the whole spawn. It's understandable if they need a show of my bow bow. Ask them to watch your muscle and get it get it. If you can't get the whole camp, don't cry on my shoulder. Don't cry but hey, there's camps better suited to your character class or level or playstyle out there. If they still won't leave, maybe you can make a new friend? Trade some research words later on? If you are combative in your /tells, so will they be.

[talian21]

Consider yourself when complaining maybe?

What an asshole. Prolly the dickless loser that was griefing you. Just ignore.

[Vermicelli]

I'm helpful. Talk to the camp stealers instead of posting on the forum about it. I don't think that's so hard.

EK spiders are a popular camp for several classes in the L28 to early 30's. There's gonna be some contention and if you post about it on the forum instead of /telling the encroachers, yer gonna lose out on experience. Ignore the people who say *I* am the asshole. I could take the camp if yall don't want it. Get back to exterminatin'!

[yorumi]

Um I did talk to them, hence the part of my post where I was talking about their responses.

[Vermicelli]

If all you're going for is spider silks, you would do way better to bebop around West Karana or the East Commons tagging giant spiders. They are way lower level than crag spiders and drop the same loot, so you can smack em up way faster. If you are going for experience, there are super way OMG better camps for Enchanters. Yeah, I will agree that these other players were hogging spawns, but you got options dude.

[zanderklocke]

If all you're going for is spider silks, you would do way better to bebop around West Karana or the East Commons tagging giant spiders. They are way lower level than crag spiders and drop the same loot, so you can smack em up way faster. If you are going for experience, there are super way OMG better camps for Enchanters. Yeah, I will agree that these other players were hogging spawns, but you got options dude.

Don't crag spiders drop like 4-6 pieces of silk per kill if I recall?

It's pretty absurd.

[yorumi]

that's all kind of besides the point, and I know that. That's exactly what I've done when I've gotten there and found people camping them, or really any other camp in the game I wanted to try. WC sucks for silk, but again that's all besides the point, if I really wanted to I'd just level and buy it in tunnel. The thread is more to find out if it's a petitionable offense, and if this kind of douchery is what I can expect from this spot.

[yorumi]

Don't crag spiders drop like 4-6 pieces of silk per kill if I recall?

It's pretty absurd.

Yeah being I was charm killing I was getting a full stack of spider silk about ever 15 minutes. It's 2-7 per kill, more often than not 3+. comparing to WC most don't drop silk, and the max they can drop is 2. I spent about half a level killing them when I was lower and got 1 stack.

[Vermicelli]

No, it is not petitionable. Spiders, and most other outdoor camps are considered roamers. Even named mobs. Unless you are sitting on the spawn point or within aggro range, you are not camping the mob.

There will be b-holes on Project 1999 and most other points of life, but on P99 they are not the norm. You should not interpret anything I say as a-hole-ish. Please don't think I am just being a b-hole. I am a pretty nice n joky person. Most people on this server are also, but some folks like to pull up their rules lawyer belt and wreck yer fun. Please give P99 more chances and find some friends who are not concerned with minimum-maximum character creation. There is a lot of fun to be had here if you remember what makes exploring a fantasy realm good. I myself just log on my druid sometimes to warp around the world and run around with people =)

[yorumi]

I don't really know why you think I'm trying to draw some broad conclusion beyond the scope of this topic. It's a mid level camp so it's not like I havn't spent a good bit of time in the game. It's just the first time I've tried this particular camp. I've never before seen people in game with such a complete disregard for anyone else. Two total jerks show up within 15 minutes of each other and so I was wondering if it is typical of this camp. It was basically to find out if I should just pick up my bind point and move cause it's a camp that attracts a-holes.

[Vermicelli]

This camp? Yes. I was grouping at Castle Mistmoore when I was in the 30's.

[yorumi]

I'm 22, crag spiders are levels 19-21. The topic isn't really about other camps though, there are tons of leveling guides on the wiki and it's easy to travel as an enchanter. I can't find another camp for a group or solo exp that's not really at issue at all. The problem with the popular zones too is half the time you sit waiting for a group spot to open, and then compared to charm killing it's often times worse exp and WAY worse money.

It's not that I'm anti-social i've been in plenty of groups on various alts, it's just on a class like chanter at these levels I tend to find them fairly lacking.

[Vermicelli]

Dang dude, I don't know what to tell you. Make some friends who will invite you to group. A hefty /friend list is pretty useful. Wizards and Druids are especially useful. /tell people in grouping zones. In your level range that is Mistmoore, Cazic Temple, Droga, Kaesora, Upper Guk, some of Sol A, and Aviaks in South Karana among others I can't think of now. You got options. EverQuest is not about instant gratification. I have had to travel 30 minutes or more to get to a Sebilis group sometimes, depending on where I started to run from and whether or not I could get a port. Invest in some Journeyman's Boots or SoW potions http://wiki.project1999.com/Journeyman%27s_Boots_Quest

[yorumi]

I feel like you're not reading anything that's being said and just responding to what only you can see and no one else.

[Vermicelli]

I don't know what you want me to type. EverQuest is not EasyQuest. Enjoy being hard to satisfy. Try google. Get you some JBoots tho

[yorumi]

Try reading the posts, I never once talked about instant gratification, or wanting it to be easy, or not knowing where the camps are, or what quests are available or anything like that. I said exactly the opposite and you're basically treating me like I'm a moron.

[Man0warr]

Crag Spiders aren't a camp - there are like 8-10 of them roaming all over that area.

If you petitioned, a GM would just tell you to share.

[yorumi]

Crag Spiders aren't a camp - there are like 8-10 of them roaming all over that area.

If you petitioned, a GM would just tell you to share.

I would have been fine sharing but apparently I was the only one with the mentality. Kind of hard to share when a high level is pulling every single one and saying "too bad it's not a camp."

[SenoraRaton]

There will be b-holes on Project 1999 and most other points of life, but on P99 they are not the norm.


Uhmmmm, not sure what b-holes are, but pretty sure majority of population is.

[Jimjam]

Let me know if I have misunderstood the situation, but is a wizard pulling three or four to AoE kite really that much worse in principal than an enchanter pulling two to charm kill?

Your both just pulling the number of mobs that maximise the efficiency of your chosen strategy, the problem being these strategies combined are too efficient for the number of mobs available.

If you feel you should have access to all the mobs you are able to kill because you were there first, how would you feel if a bard was there before you arrive and that bard was kiting most of the zone?

It is important to try see the matter from the other perspective.

There isn't much more than you can do than keep on good terms and negotiate. If the result of those negotiations is they insist all the mobs are a free for all, well that is how you will have to play. Be aware, if they tag a mob you are fighting (or you do the same to them) that is a petionable offence, especially if it happens so much it becomes very disruptive.

Good luck.

[Clark]

Evil spider farmers!

[yorumi]

Your both just pulling the number of mobs that maximise the efficiency of your chosen strategy, the problem being these strategies combined are too efficient for the number of mobs available.

If you feel you should have access to all the mobs you are able to kill because you were there first, how would you feel if a bard was there before you arrive and that bard was kiting most of the zone?


Well what's you've exactly described is a camp. It's generally the rule of this game, and expected by everyone that if you're at a camp first you get to pull all the mobs. You don't get to walk into highpass and pull all the orc or gnolls out from under someone just because they walk around a bit. But then you take a spot in EK where all the mobs walk around a very tight area, there's enough around the canyon to realistically support one person. Now suddenly instead of first come first server it's a free for all of whoever can pull the most mobs the fastest regardless of level or when they arrived.

It's not like I'm trying to stake claim to every gorge hound in the entire zone here. We're talking about mobs that never even wander out of your line of sight. I get it this particular location isn't defined as a camp, though that seems kind of arbitrary to me. It's still a rather jerk move to say "well I can pull much faster than the person who was here first, and I know this camp only supports 1 person so I'll just pull everything so they get nothing until they decide to leave."

[Gregor]

I can certainly relate to this thread as I ran into my first jerk the other day.

I was camping the same halfling for 2 hours and some fully twinked Ogre Shadowknight named Heavyweapons comes by and takes it 10 seconds after it spawns then tries to pretend like I'm trying to KS him when I was clearly camping it. He then gave me a list of reasons for why that was ok, one of which included "because I hit it first."

He ran off with no remorse or apology given so tossed him on ignore and moved on but I'm still thankful I managed to go 32 levels before I finally ran into one bad apple.

[fadetree]

You don't need two as a charmer. Grab a dark stalker or a gorge hound, they will last long enough to get the spider down to where you can dot him out. If you're good you can get the exp from the stalker too.

There's also 3 spiders on the far side of the hill, 2 of which wander over towards the beach. Normally the campers dont bother with them, because they are afraid they'll miss a spawn of the four that are over by the ramp.