Chardok AoE Groups and the Rules

[Tooty]

I"m very confused how the Chardok AoE groups are not constantly breaking the rules stated in the guidebook:

Zone Disruptions
Disrupting the gameplay for others in a zone is not allowed. This can include, but is not limited to:

* Monopolizing/Engaging/Occupying most or all of the mobs in a non-raid area. This can be with or without intent to kill.
* Causing deaths / experience loss for other players (Blocking players, intentional training, etc).

I literally cannot camp any pather in the zone for my Chardok Pipe b/c every 20 minutes there's a giant train that takes almost every mob in the zone to the entrance simultaneously causing deaths intentionally (they know there are folks out there in the zone at risk) and monopolizing/engaging/occupying most or all of the mobs in a non-raid area.

I know I'm just one person and they are 10 or so for their AoE group, but why should 10 people be able to ruin the zone for everyone who wants to use it normally. I should note that I tried 5 times over a 13 hour period and every time there was an AoE group. I should also note I've petitioned about this in-game a number of times and have yet to get any response on it which is why I'm here asking.

-Tooty Mc'Frustrated

[bktroost]

If you have force to kill the Pipe mob in his room and they are also pulling that one you just need to fraps it. The puller will get banned. They cannot camp the pipe room and the rest of the zone if it is contested.

However, you have to ask them which they would prefer as it states in the PnP. These are 2 separate camps and they have the option (they will tell you to get lost). At that point you take your group down to the pipe room during their 20 minute med time and turn on the fraps!

1. no 1 person has any jurisdiction to interrupt any group event like that. You have to have force to be considered capable of taking the camp.
2. There will always be an AOE group in chardok (maybe 4am est-7am est there might be a lull)
3. Do not petition in game. They specifically ask you NOT to do that. Petition on the forums, but only when you have fraps and proof of someone training you and the SS of the conversation with you asking that person to allow your group the pipe camp.

When you follow GMs rules to a T, they will help you. They can sometimes be like the DMV.

[Tooty]

Sir there is no "pipe" room. Pipes mobs (ikar betrayers) spawn in place of pathers, but either all the mobs are dead b/c of a recent pull and so I have no idea where pathers spawn or I work my way about 1/3 of the way down there and then see about 150 mobs run by me which means I have to log/get lucky and find a 'safe' spot from the returning mobs/or die.

[Ele]

Sounds like you are trying to solo camp the betrayer?

Take a small group and go up through the levi tunnel and camp in the cubby on the left side. Pull the roamers from up and down that hall. Tell the AE group they can choose to go camp that hallway themselves or to adjust their pull so as not to train you. Or you could work out a deal for them to give you the next pipe that spawns and they get to keep pulling the levi tunnel, if you negotiate well.

[feanan]

I'm sure they'll be nice enough sell you one if you beg enough

/sarcasm off

[Juryiel]

0. Before following these steps, try working it out with the group, if the group is unwilling proceed.
1. Identify two areas that are RIGHT in the pull path of the AOE group, and as close to the AOE group's pull area as possible, but out of sight of the pull area and out of sight of each other (e.g. Area 1 is out of sight of Area 2, and both are out of sight of the AOE group camp). Make sure you can kill the mobs there with your killing force (group or solo if you can). It doesn't matter if these mobs drop pipe. Just make your intent to camp them for whatever reason (e.g. exp, or whatever) clear, but if they can spawn a pipe mob all the better.
2. Inform the AOE group that you want to camp one of the two spots, they have to give you one of the two at this point.
3. Kill in mobs in that spot to prevent the AOE group from pulling large pulls through you.
4. Revisit 0 to see if the AOE group will now work with you - if not, go to 5.
5. Play the waiting game, killing your mobs in your camp, until the AOE group and their proxies get bored of not being able to pull through you and leave. Now you can camp the pipe mobs. Or perhaps the AOE group will offer you a pipe.

You should have fraps on at all times throughout this process and taking logs / screenshots. Good luck.

Disclaimer: I am not a GM. I take no responsibility for the outcome of trying this :P Unless it works, then it was all me.

[Gimp]

Bring a kill force for the pipe and they'll just give you the next one that drops, guaranteed.

[Tooty]

Do I need a kill force if I'm a 60 shaman and can solo my way through the zone?

-Tooty

[Gimp]

Probably not. Just tell them you're heading down and to pull around you. 99% of the pullers there aren't capable of that, so they'll offer you a pipe to keep you from going down.

Or they'll just train you and get banned. Up to them I guess.

[Swish]

Bring a kill force for the pipe and they'll just give you the next one that drops, guaranteed.


I'm sure they'll be nice enough sell you one if you beg enough

/sarcasm off

No sarcasm, someone in my guild waited a few hours for a pipe to drop and was lawyered out of the idea that he could bring his own group and set something up.

The leader at the time said he could buy it... at the going rate.

After they get done with the casinos perhaps this is worth a look.

[Man0warr]

Chardok Pipe is barely worth 3k now, I'd sell you one for 2k on the spot if it meant I didn't have to corpse it and go through the hassle of MQing it. I don't even roll for them anymore.

[Krosan]

Let me first start with asking you why you're so dead-set on farming pipe to loot, as a Shaman? Are you looking to MQ it for a friend, or for an alt? If it's for an alt you realize it's going to be pretty difficult and risky to hand in the pipe to the charmed mob, then have to log over the monk, right? I'm sure you can avoid that by having someone you trust be logged in at the same time, but again, why not just buy the MQ? As a 60 shaman there's a ton of easier, safer and more productive camps to farm that will pay for the pipe and then some. It just seems to me like you're being very stubborn/hardheaded about it and causing yourself a lot of stress for no reason.

It's certainly your right to camp pipe yourself if you really want to, and if I am ever pulling chardok when you're around I will certainly try to accommodate you, but you don't have to always choose the hardest path to accomplish a goal.

[-TK-]

No sarcasm, someone in my guild waited a few hours for a pipe to drop and was lawyered out of the idea that he could bring his own group and set something up.

The leader at the time said he could buy it... at the going rate.

After they get done with the casinos perhaps this is worth a look.

Well, it sounds like this guy didn't even try to talk to anyone. Just came here to whine first.

I've personally witnessed the pipe being given to someone that was prepared to hunt it so your story really doesn't add anything. If he got lawyered out, then he needs to work on his lawyering skill (this is P99 after all), because if you run fraps, come with a force, you engage the PH before the pull, then when they pull and you die from the train I doubt there is a single guide/GM that is going to side with the chardok group. But all of this is moot if you don't even try to communicate first.

I would give a pipe to someone that needed it, assuming I won the roll, if they asked and had waited - meaning sat in zone and waited for drop. I'm not going to send a tell to your alt.

[Porz]

Bring a kill force for the pipe and they'll just give you the next one that drops, guaranteed.

Chardok pipes are worth less now then when I was farming this a year ago. Even back then when I was running groups if someone was there I would offer them the next pipe opposed to the drama of fighting over camps. Where did the respect on blue change so horribly.

[Tulnavara]

Where did the respect on blue change so horribly.
When people made a guild for it and decided they owned the zone even if they didn't have the group there and ready to do pulls. Blue is more toxic than red if you start jeopardizing people's precious pixels.

[Swish]

Blue is more toxic than red if you start jeopardizing people's precious pixels.

Certainly a lot of jaded players on blue, who then come on the forums and say how bad red is just from looking at a couple of posts about it.

[Troubled]

Certainly a lot of jaded players on blue, who then come on the forums and say how bad red is just from looking at a couple of posts about it.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162160

Red is for children.

[Swish]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162160

Red is for children.


Aww shit that moral high ground, how is the weather up there... oh wait, whats this? :p

Your testicles are more likely weeping because of aforementioned fat sluts.

[Troubled]

Aww shit that moral high ground, how is the weather up there... oh wait, whats this? :p

Reference to Relapse. Red's poster child.

[Rhambuk]

Bring group to chardok, move past the ae group at zone in, set up at fort. When they train the shit out of you petition with fraps.

[Swish]

Reference to Relapse. Red's poster child.

oh ok, so that wasn't what you'd call a childish post then?

The point here, is that people slate red for being toxic, childish or whatever... while doing exactly the same thing themselves while they're queueing for pixels, trying to get a prime spot under T1 and racing to kill Lord Shin Ree before anyone else responds to the S.O.S...

Consider red ;)

[Tooty]

In response to Krosan: I like to camp my own stuff, and I dont think I should HAVE to pay someone for a drop I can easily solo when the zone isn't monopolized by the aoe group.

In response to -TK-: I talked with the a few groups each for a good while. No one offered me a free pipe. A few people offered me the pipe for 4k to 7k. I told them I'd rather camp it myself and would be happy to camp in a place they didnt pull. They basically stated that they don't know where all the mobs path so they cant guarantee I won't be trained.

[Tulnavara]

Certainly a lot of jaded players on blue, who then come on the forums and say how bad red is just from looking at a couple of posts about it.

I've played red. OOC definitely gets toxic, it really is just people fucking around but it can turn people off from it along with variance/wipeitclean thread #591821. Without those you'd get a lot more people over there probably because the rest of the community is pretty nice. Even the top jew that everyone loves to hate offered me a ton of help via items and PvP advice when I rolled over there. I quit when the xp bonus originally got yanked with no word on what was going on/if it would be back and the pop plummeted.

[Swish]

They basically stated that they don't know where all the mobs path so they cant guarantee I won't be trained.

I'd then go down there with the puller and work something out.

If nothing else I'd definitely make sure I was a thorn in their side until a pipe was given to me or until they respected my right to go down there.

That's good lawyering from them though, they can say they warned you etc so as not to be banned if you die...despite server rules to the contrary.

[Rhambuk]

In response to Krosan: I like to camp my own stuff, and I dont think I should HAVE to pay someone for a drop I can easily solo when the zone isn't monopolized by the aoe group.

In response to -TK-: I talked with the a few groups each for a good while. No one offered me a free pipe. A few people offered me the pipe for 4k to 7k. I told them I'd rather camp it myself and would be happy to camp in a place they didnt pull. They basically stated that they don't know where all the mobs path so they cant guarantee I won't be trained.

Run fraps and when they train you, they will, petition them. Not knowing how mobs are going to path is a bullshit excuse for training someone when really they should leave that whole area alone as to not train you but you know platinum and levels and fuck everyone else right

[Swish]

I've played red. OOC definitely gets toxic, it really is just people fucking around but it can turn people off from it along with variance/wipeitclean thread #591821. Without those you'd get a lot more people over there probably because the rest of the community is pretty nice. Even the top jew that everyone loves to hate offered me a ton of help via items and PvP advice when I rolled over there. I quit when the xp bonus originally got yanked with no word on what was going on/if it would be back and the pop plummeted.

Yeah there was, I'd argue some bad management over the XP rate/bonus originally. When it got accidentally put back in (which isn't as high as it is now), HB said he saw at least 30-35 people he hadn't seen in Red Dawn for ages.

Then they took it out again, down went the population and the bubble burst. Been trying to rebuild ever since, just need to find ways to keep red the "player's choice" ;)

[Rhambuk]

That's good lawyering from them though, they can say they warned you etc so as not to be banned if you die...despite server rules to the contrary.

Thats BS swish. "Were going to be pulling the entire zone all over the place so its your fault if we train you"

They shouldnt be pulling/going near that guy if theres a possibility of a train and if they do train they should be punished like anyone else who trains. Worse really since its basically intentional

[Swish]

Thats BS swish. "Were going to be pulling the entire zone all over the place so its your fault if we train you"

They shouldnt be pulling/going near that guy if theres a possibility of a train and if they do train they should be punished like anyone else who trains. Worse really since its basically intentional

I totally agree, but its instilling doubt/confidence in the interloper's mind... subtley encouraging him not to interfere.

I'd shut down Chardok AOE tomorrow, used to be a good zone to group in.

[bktroost]

Sounds like you are trying to solo camp the betrayer?

Take a small group and go up through the levi tunnel and camp in the cubby on the left side. Pull the roamers from up and down that hall. Tell the AE group they can choose to go camp that hallway themselves or to adjust their pull so as not to train you. Or you could work out a deal for them to give you the next pipe that spawns and they get to keep pulling the levi tunnel, if you negotiate well.

^--- This. There is a room safe from the AOE pulls and you can get the pathers dead before they pull their wave. Root them all or mezz them in your cubby and just start collecting them. They pull and you kill. You have 20 minutes to down them all and then the rotation starts again. No one is bothered if you do this, but you need a group.

[Tooty]

I've petitioned in game a few times, and no one has responded ever. I'm getting the video/log evidence now, but I'm beginning to think the GM's are some of the folks doing the chardok AoE group and don't want it to be illegal.

[Rhambuk]

I totally agree, but its instilling doubt/confidence in the interloper's mind... subtley encouraging him not to interfere.

I'd shut down Chardok AOE tomorrow, used to be a good zone to group in.

I gotcha now. I'd call it strongarming not rules lawyering :P

Lets start training royals on them!

[Ele]

I literally cannot camp any pather in the zone for my Chardok Pipe b/c every 20 minutes there's a giant train that takes almost every mob in the zone to the entrance simultaneously causing deaths intentionally (they know there are folks out there in the zone at risk) and monopolizing/engaging/occupying most or all of the mobs in a non-raid area.

I told them I'd rather camp it myself and would be happy to camp in a place they didnt pull. They basically stated that they don't know where all the mobs path so they cant guarantee I won't be trained.

You seem to be under the impression that any pather can spawn the betrayer, that is not the case. You need to set up in the levitate tunnel or the cubby (safespot) and clear the statics so you can pull the three roamers that go up and down that specific hallway to pop the betrayer.

The tunnel to the left up on the wall from the castle is the one you need to head toward and go down from there.

http://i.imgur.com/NdrNgSj.png

Pullers usually tag one of the mobs at the entrance of the levi tunnel as part of their pull and it causes it to path through the zone gathering up a ton of spawns (including your 3 roamers from the levi tunnel) to zone in.

[Swish]

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[Ele]

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[Rais]

I wouldn't recommend going down and sitting in the path of their pull. You getting ran over because of a tantrum won't work. Ask Taken about being ran over by Inny and his room when TMO were pulling him. Precedent is set on that already.

It's easy to camp the pipe if you want, even with them pulling. After they clear, move down and kill them as soon as they all respawn. Some maybe staggered, some not. I would say kill the ones at the top of the tunnel and work your way down, so when they pull nothing will agro you. Don't really even need to kill it all. Just keep the top few dead, so the roamer paths up to you to kill.

You could keep that area clear, and camp there. Highly doubtful you can solo the tunnel in this fashion, but you could be the best shaman ever and can.

Or sit at zone in and cry for no reason. Make threads crying over how unfair it is, when you can do the camp as you want in the first place.

[Tooty]

Rais this isn't a raid zone and according to the rules they are in different categories. So just because a guild was trained in a plane and nothing happen does not necessarily mean getting trained in a non-raid zone is considered the same. I suppose you are suggesting I invis and pray there is no chokidai when the remainder of the swarm returns to their spawns?

[Rais]

So then you are saying you have no way to get down there in the first place? What is the issue then? Either they wipe or they kill their pull. They kill it, no swarm will engulf and you move down. If they wipe, then you are stuck at zone in hoping no chokidai are up, and you are back at square one not being able to do what you want. And it isn't because of the aoe group.

Just go down there after they do an AoE pull and set up shop. Take advantage of their pull/clear.

A guild being trained for intentionally getting in the way of a pull, is the same thing as a player intentionally sitting in the way of a pull in a zone. This is mainly in reference of posts from uniformed people telling you to sit in the path at the fort just to get them in trouble. It is also with you starting off your first post stating how they are breaking server rules, when they are not. Being a raid or group/players having a pissing contest can be considered the same. I will bet you anything Sirken will rule the same way. He may come here just to say otherwise just to say I'm wrong tho. He can be devious.

If your hopes are just get people in trouble, you will end up on the wrong end of the stick. There is a workable situation to this and I laid it out for you.

The chardok aoe groups have always in my eyes as a player and former staff member worked with people. Most times I saw them just give the pipe away. If you want to claim not to want handouts, then just ask if you can pull him off the pull and solo kill it.


My previous post told you exactly how to kill the roamer/pipe mob without being trained while taking advantage of a successful aoe pull to do so. I have also warned you how trying to intentionally being killed will be bad for you. You can make it work, it isn't a huge mid life crisis.

[feanan]

If he sets up at fort, and pulls stuff there...he is at a camp. If you pull the rest of the zone through/around him, I'd think the AE group would be getting in some trouble.

Or are you are saying people can just set up at zone in anywhere and pull what they want with no issues? So, disco or chef to zone in seb, no issues with that? And if I die and the returning train kills other groups, not my problem?

Think we need a GM ruling on this one.

GM's...where are you?

[Tooty]

So explain to me how I can avoid being railed by the leftovers of a successful aoe. They never kill EVERY mob. Or haven't in the 15 or so pulls I've watched now. They also frequently wipe. If, as you suggest, I take their clear and move down to a good spot, how do I prevent these mobs coming back to their spawn points from raping me? Is there a spot you know of that's not on the pull path that has a pather that can be the Iksar Betrayer? Ele up there seems to think the levi tunnel is pretty much the only spot to get the betrayer... I'm not planning to intentionally die to a train. I have been in contact with the puller of the current group and he's leaving me a section up to kill. No group has ever offered to give a pipe just sell me one.

Also, just so you know I can without much difficulty solo my way through the zone so I'm confused by the "have no way to get down there" argument.

[Rhambuk]

If he sets up at fort, and pulls stuff there...he is at a camp. If you pull the rest of the zone through/around him, I'd think the AE group would be getting in some trouble.

[hitmanloki]

tooty clearly doesnt know what he's talking about and just wants to whine. If they successfully did chardok AE... that means they killed EVERY mob that was pulled. It's always been that way... trying being less of a nerd-rager and do what everyone has said. Communicate with the group you anti-social crybaby.

[hitmanloki]

oops, i thought this was RnF. lol

[Ele]

So explain to me how I can avoid being railed by the leftovers of a successful aoe. They never kill EVERY mob. Or haven't in the 15 or so pulls I've watched now. They also frequently wipe. If, as you suggest, I take their clear and move down to a good spot, how do I prevent these mobs coming back to their spawn points from raping me? Is there a spot you know of that's not on the pull path that has a pather that can be the Iksar Betrayer? Ele up there seems to think the levi tunnel is pretty much the only spot to get the betrayer... I'm not planning to intentionally die to a train. I have been in contact with the puller of the current group and he's leaving me a section up to kill. No group has ever offered to give a pipe just sell me one.

Also, just so you know I can without much difficulty solo my way through the zone so I'm confused by the "have no way to get down there" argument.

You can safely kill stuff if you pull it to the cubby in the levi tunnel it has slaves in it. If they gave you stuff to kill that is not in the levi tunnel, you are getting punked and wasting your time.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59705

[feanan]

Well, I just watched the AOE group wipe, and all the mobs went fleeing back home.

So, no, you can't count on them killing their pulls either.

[Tasslehofp99]

so I logged into chardok after seeing this post, here is what I logged into:


[Tue Aug 19 14:59:16 2014] Vidarr says, 'I dunno, I don't get involved in politics, I just pull mobs. just saying, there is a potential problem. he's camping as a shaman...'
[Tue Aug 19 14:59:37 2014] Vidarr says, 'he has no recourse if he gets agro, he will die'

[Tue Aug 19 14:59:43 2014] Zyryn says, 'im not sure a shammy can solo him'
[Tue Aug 19 14:59:50 2014] Klikz says, 'sooo hes gonna loot on monk or got puppet strings or gonna have someone charm for turn in?'

[Tue Aug 19 15:00:15 2014] Klikz says, 'personally idc, like i said, if anyone wants to establish camp we can work around it'
[Tue Aug 19 15:00:15 2014] Zyryn says, 'he cant camp the place if he cant hold the camp'

[Tue Aug 19 15:00:28 2014] Vidarr says, 'I have no idea, all I know is that a shaman is trying to camp the pipe, and he's throwing a tantrum on the forums cuz we're killing everything in the zone'
[Tue Aug 19 15:00:57 2014] Vidarr says, 'if he gets trained and if he dies and if the GMs take his side, things could get realy complicated'
[Tue Aug 19 15:00:59 2014] Rekles says, 'he can throw a tantrum, I don't read the forums. if it's a real issue, GMs will tell us'
[Tue Aug 19 15:01:04 2014] Zyryn says, 'i think you can pull without haveing to pull the train up to betrayer tunnnel'
[Tue Aug 19 15:01:05 2014] Rekles says, 'and they most likely won't'
[Tue Aug 19 15:01:26 2014] Klikz says, 'ya just skip betrayer tunnel if possible '
[Tue Aug 19 15:01:27 2014] Rekles says, 'how many mobs will we lose per pull?'
[Tue Aug 19 15:01:32 2014] Klikz says, '10-20?'
[Tue Aug 19 15:01:36 2014] Tabarnak begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Aug 19 15:01:37 2014] Zyryn says, 'like 15 or so'
[Tue Aug 19 15:01:39 2014] Rekles says, 'that's a lot'
[Tue Aug 19 15:01:43 2014] Vidarr says, 'so just keep doing what I've been doing then? if we skip the tunnel its about 20 mobs'
[Tue Aug 19 15:01:51 2014] Zyryn says, 'yeah'
[Tue Aug 19 15:01:55 2014] Tabarnak says, 'yea'
[Tue Aug 19 15:02:02 2014] Zyryn says, 'i don't think he can hold the camp solo'
[Tue Aug 19 15:02:03 2014] Rekles says, 'keep on. He's a shaman, he can easily earn 3k and buy a pipe'
[Tue Aug 19 15:02:24 2014] Rekles says, 'this is a very productive engine for a lot of people. 1 guy isn't going to shut it down'
[Tue Aug 19 15:02:27 2014] Klikz says, 'or offer him loot rights and keep pullin, idc'
[Tue Aug 19 15:02:39 2014] Rekles says, 'or reduce it's efficiency by 15&PCT;'
[Tue Aug 19 15:02:50 2014] Tabarnak says, 'yeah'
[Tue Aug 19 15:02:54 2014] Orrom says, 'a 60 shaman can hold betrayer camp easy'
[Tue Aug 19 15:02:54 2014] Tabarnak says, 'lets offer him the pipe'
[Tue Aug 19 15:02:56 2014] Tabarnak says, 'gonna be quick'
[Tue Aug 19 15:03:00 2014] Rekles says, 'loot rights = bad precedent. AoE groups sell loot rights'
[Tue Aug 19 15:03:08 2014] Rekles says, 'NEVER cave in to tantrums, parenting 101'
[Tue Aug 19 15:03:11 2014] Tabarnak says, 'we dont it's free'
[Tue Aug 19 15:03:32 2014] You say, 'Rekles you're missing the point, that shaman has every right to camp pipe if he wants to and can hold the camp'
[Tue Aug 19 15:03:32 2014] Tabarnak says, 'its only fair if the guy is camping it'
[Tue Aug 19 15:03:37 2014] Zyryn says, 'what he wants is for us to give him the pipe for free'
[Tue Aug 19 15:03:38 2014] Tabarnak says, 'we might as well take the xp'
[Tue Aug 19 15:03:44 2014] Klikz says, 'well if he established camp we can't train him'
[Tue Aug 19 15:03:46 2014] Zyryn says, 'its different if there was a group there'
[Tue Aug 19 15:04:00 2014] Rekles says, 'my bad, I thought we were already holdign that camp'
[Tue Aug 19 15:04:17 2014] Klikz says, 'we're monopolizing zone, part of play nice policy not to'
[Tue Aug 19 15:04:17 2014] Rekles says, 'does he have a problem with loot it here?'
[Tue Aug 19 15:05:06 2014] Yoldi says, 'missing 20 mobs isnt gonna hurt xp that much'
[Tue Aug 19 15:05:08 2014] Zyryn says, 'i would do a pull without the tunnel to see what the exp is like'
[Tue Aug 19 15:05:17 2014] Tabarnak says out of character, 'yo tooty'
[Tue Aug 19 15:05:20 2014] Klikz says, 'i just say offer him loot rights if you want all the xp, or skip it, regardless if he doesn't pay for it blacklist him from proxy'
[Tue Aug 19 15:05:26 2014] Tabarnak says out of character, 'how about you loot it when it spawn'
[Tue Aug 19 15:05:27 2014] Zyryn says, 'rather than have a rogue terrorist guilt us into a free pipe'
[Tue Aug 19 15:05:30 2014] Tabarnak says out of character, 'then let us go on :)'
[Tue Aug 19 15:05:40 2014] Tooty says out of character, 'I'd love that and thank you for the opportunity'
[Tue Aug 19 15:06:03 2014] Tooty says out of character, 'can I be of any assistance?'



After this point I moved down to betrayer hall to check out how tooty was doing. He was holding the camp himself solo perfectly fine and was clearing the pathers in the betrayer hall.



Incase anyone cares or was interested just wanted to post this.

[Ravager]

Exploiters gonna exploit. If Chardok was ae'd on live in Kunark to the degree it is here, you can bet there would be a Nerf. Too bad the devs don't dev like classic devs.

[Rais]

Exploiters gonna exploit. If Chardok was ae'd on live in Kunark to the degree it is here, you can bet there would be a Nerf. Too bad the devs don't dev like classic devs.

Too bad you don't know classic.

[Tenlaar]

[Tue Aug 19 15:02:03 2014] Rekles says, 'keep on. He's a shaman, he can easily earn 3k and buy a pipe'
[Tue Aug 19 15:02:24 2014] Rekles says, 'this is a very productive engine for a lot of people. 1 guy isn't going to shut it down'

[Tue Aug 19 15:03:00 2014] Rekles says, 'loot rights = bad precedent. AoE groups sell loot rights'
[Tue Aug 19 15:03:08 2014] Rekles says, 'NEVER cave in to tantrums, parenting 101'


These are disappointing to see.

[Orruar]

Just pull to the safe room and watch for when they are pulling. Use that time to get back some mana and pull when safe.

Though if you're overly concerned with see invis dogs, you likely don't have the necessary skills to hold the camp anyway.

[indiscriminate_hater]

still waiting for the p99 white knights that will hold down the 2-3 camps which will completely jam up chardok AOE

[hitmanloki]

ignants gonna be ignant... stop crying about the system.. chardok AE is an awesome thing, truly magnificent to behold. players learned how to do something awesome and some crybaby wants to complain about the entire system. please move along.

[Tasslehofp99]

These are disappointing to see.

I felt the same way. Atleast it looks like the situation has been resolved, for now atleast.

[Ele]

Exploiters gonna exploit. If Chardok was ae'd on live in Kunark to the degree it is here, you can bet there would be a Nerf. Too bad the devs don't dev like classic devs.

Classic

http://www.graffe.com/forums/showthread.php?5883-AE-Groups-for-Sorcerers

AE Guide posted before Luclin

Chardok
Very fun place to AE. You will never run out of mobs to pull, can use other AE tricks (like Fearing one so it brings back 30 others) and the loot/plat/xp is also excellent. Can AE right down to royals as well if your group can handle it. Fast repops, some HT's and alot of named piled in the trains can cause messy CR's.

[Ravager]

Too bad you don't know classic.

Maybe I don't. Can't imagine it was as bad as it is here as it was in 2000 with the hardware and client/server limitations though.

[Ravager]

ignants gonna be ignant... stop crying about the system.. chardok AE is an awesome thing, truly magnificent to behold. players learned how to do something awesome and some crybaby wants to complain about the entire system. please move along.

Or, if you want a trivialized game, there's WoW...

[Rais]

Seeing how people AoE'ed chardok and Sebilis during those days, I can see how.

[hitmanloki]

Or, if you want a trivialized game, there's WoW...

maybe it's you that should play another game. i don't have problems with this one. you clearly have a problem with the way the game is played.

[Ravager]

maybe it's you that should play another game. i don't have problems with this one. you clearly have a problem with the way the game is played.

No you.

[hitmanloki]

No you.

fair enough. i heard there's a good vanilla wow server but i've not gotten that desperate yet.

[Nirgon]

I see the anti-wizard community is coming together

Wizard so strong

[-TK-]

I see the anti-wizard community is coming together

Wizard so strong

Dem damn wiztards

[Rhambuk]

I see the anti-wizard community is coming together

Wizard so strong

Wizards get all the hate, I can only imagine the hate theyd get i they could do manaburn groups here

[Ele]

regardless if he doesn't pay for it blacklist him from proxy'

lol Chardok Mafia

[Rhambuk]

lol Chardok Mafia

pretty terrible attitude in this group all around

[Tenlaar]

Yeah, I meant to quote that line myself. Pretty bad. People get into an AE group and think they own the place.

[hitmanloki]

the bad attitude is being presented on this forum... as the group clearly stated they could just avoid pulling the tunnel pretty easily. chardok is RARELY ever used for anything but royals and AE. the reason people AE there is precisely because it is not contested.

however, the OP's first reaction was to forum warrior rather than try to communicate with the group and work out a deal. As the post showed, they are giving him a free pipe anyway DESPITE his poor attitude.

[Rhambuk]

the bad attitude is being presented on this forum... as the group clearly stated they could just avoid pulling the tunnel pretty easily.

they stated they could then immediately after said its not worth the loss of 20 mobs and he cant solo it so pull it anyway, then went on to be dicks

[Tasslehofp99]

While all this forumquesting is going on shaman is already down there clearing Ph's for the pipe and the AoE group wiped a few times.


Karma is a bitch lol

[hitmanloki]

did you even read it? here let me repost it since you want to waste time.

[Tue Aug 19 15:05:17 2014] Tabarnak says out of character, 'yo tooty'
[Tue Aug 19 15:05:20 2014] Klikz says, 'i just say offer him loot rights if you want all the xp, or skip it, regardless if he doesn't pay for it blacklist him from proxy'
[Tue Aug 19 15:05:26 2014] Tabarnak says out of character, 'how about you loot it when it spawn'
[Tue Aug 19 15:05:27 2014] Zyryn says, 'rather than have a rogue terrorist guilt us into a free pipe'
[Tue Aug 19 15:05:30 2014] Tabarnak says out of character, 'then let us go on '
[Tue Aug 19 15:05:40 2014] Tooty says out of character, 'I'd love that and thank you for the opportunity'
[Tue Aug 19 15:06:03 2014] Tooty says out of character, 'can I be of any assistance?'

[Tenlaar]

did you even read it? here let me repost it since you want to waste time.

[Tue Aug 19 15:05:20 2014] Klikz says, 'i just say offer him loot rights if you want all the xp, or skip it, regardless if he doesn't pay for it blacklist him from proxy'

Yep, no bad attitude there.

[Tooty]

the bad attitude is being presented on this forum... as the group clearly stated they could just avoid pulling the tunnel pretty easily. chardok is RARELY ever used for anything but royals and AE. the reason people AE there is precisely because it is not contested.

however, the OP's first reaction was to forum warrior rather than try to communicate with the group and work out a deal. As the post showed, they are giving him a free pipe anyway DESPITE his poor attitude.

Actually, I did talk to the group. Their recourse was to buy one or get lost. They weren't going to stop pulling mobs. They weren't going to let me have an area. They weren't going to compromise. I came to the forums to get some feedback from GM's b/c I couldn't get a response to my petitions in game (I guess you didn't read anything). Now, the group is letting me have the tunnel. They did say they would give a pipe, but then rescinded the offer opting to let me have the tunnel and lose about 10ish mobs per pull. Vidarr has been very nice. Kronas has helped setup my situation here too. You, however, are worthless and argumentative. I hope you have a nice day despite this.

-Tooty Mc'Lessfrustrated

[hitmanloki]

yea, chardok AE proxy is a sold service. you think they're going to offer that service to someone who hops in the zone and rages at them and complains that what they are doing is against server rules, when it's not? LOL

[Tenlaar]

yea, chardok AE proxy is a sold service. you think they're going to offer that service to someone who hops in the zone and rages at them and complains that what they are doing is against server rules, when it's not? LOL

Except that monopolizing a zone is, in fact, against server rules as soon as somebody else wants to be killing in there.

[Rhambuk]

100% against the rules, and the guy wasnt asking to join in for free he wanted to go down and camp it himself.

[hitmanloki]

Actually, I did talk to the group. Their recourse was to buy one or get lost. They weren't going to stop pulling mobs. They weren't going to let me have an area. They weren't going to compromise. I came to the forums to get some feedback from GM's b/c I couldn't get a response to my petitions in game (I guess you didn't read anything). Now, the group is letting me have the tunnel. They did say they would give a pipe, but then rescinded the offer opting to let me have the tunnel and lose about 10ish mobs per pull. Vidarr has been very nice. Kronas has helped setup my situation here too. You, however, are worthless and argumentative. I hope you have a nice day despite this.

-Tooty Mc'Lessfrustrated

they don't have to stop pulling mobs. i dont care about your wishes concerning my day. You are neither the victim nor the martyr so stop playing those awful cards.

[hitmanloki]

there is a place to post your petitions for GMs to see it. It's under.... petitions.... on these very same forums oddly enough.

[Tooty]

So which char are you in the Proxy? Why are you soo adamant that this is correct and I'm just a whiner? I"m guessing you profit from this and would be soooow angwy if you couldn't keep it going? Otherwise your two cents have been deposited.

[Swish]

pretty terrible attitude in this group all around

Anyone up for a standard Chardok group? I have a 58 rogue or 57 necro I can jump on.

Used to group in there before the AOE peeps turned up with their eyes on the TunnelQuest tokens.

[zanderklocke]

they don't have to stop pulling mobs. i dont care about your wishes concerning my day. You are neither the victim nor the martyr so stop playing those awful cards.

Actually, per the server rules, they do have to stop pulling mobs in his area/through him if he wants to set up camp.

GMs laid out a monopolizing rule on zones, but it isn't really enforced unless someone is getting their exp hindered. GMs don't care if you AoE all the mobs in a zone if no one else is there; why would they?

The minute someone wants to camp an area/mob, the group that is monopolizing the zone has to be accommodating, and the monopolization rule comes into effect. However, GMs would hope that players would work out these disputes among themselves because petitions like this are just a waste of everyone's time.

It's really easy to solve issues like this when people compromise instead of people on both sides getting worked up.

[indiscriminate_hater]

there is a place to post your petitions for GMs to see it. It's under.... petitions.... on these very same forums oddly enough.

man, 57 posts since 2010 and probably a quarter of those are on this thread. looks like we found ourselves a chardok AOEr

[hitmanloki]

So which char are you in the Proxy? Why are you soo adamant that this is correct and I'm just a whiner? I"m guessing you profit from this and would be soooow angwy if you couldn't keep it going? Otherwise your two cents have been deposited.

lol i'm not in the chardok group. your attitude is passive-aggressive and enfuriating. i see through the veil and into your soul and i know what you are. that is all.

[zanderklocke]

Used to group in there before the AOE peeps turned up with their eyes on the TunnelQuest tokens.

Can you blame them though, Swish?

This is the reason people play this game, to acquire stuff by repetitive grinding that makes your hp and attack numbers go up.

I mean EverQuest isn't altogether that entertaining by standards of many other games. Some people just like to carry out the process of acquisition more efficiently; I don't really see any issue with that unless it impedes other players in the process.

[zanderklocke]

man, 57 posts since 2010 and probably a quarter of those are on this thread. looks like we found ourselves a chardok AOEr

I think this is actually the new Quillmane guy based on his forum posts.

[Savok]

The other day Zander was AoEing down Sarnaks for power levelling in LOIO. I was in the Chancellor room killing single mobs trying to get a bracer and Earing on my rog and he had the audacity to send me a tell asking if I was camping drops. I said I was and he asked if I wanted to juse loot one from the pile in exchange for the exp off of the mobs.

The cheek of it!

He was all nice and agreeable about what my options were and was open to adapt depending on what I wanted to do.

Awful fellow.

[Swish]

I used to love being in there to just group, can't do it now really without looking like a troll trying to ruin the plat mine.

[Daldaen]

Wellp. Time to AE Sebilis guys. Get to it!

That zone is way less trafficked right?

[Rhambuk]

Wellp. Time to AE Sebilis guys. Get to it!

That zone is way less trafficked right?

It's about to be!

[hitmanloki]

I think this is actually the new Quillmane guy based on his forum posts.

that is correct. buy a peggy cloak from me so i can buy some chardok AE. or you may want to complain about me monopolizing the highly sought after roaming placeholders of south karana.

[Swish]

Wellp. Time to AE Sebilis guys. Get to it!

That zone is way less trafficked right?

Right! Meanwhile there's a bard trolling LOIO with bait comments like "dont i get a 'grats' for dinging 30?" while he vacuums up the zone lol

pras blue, what a lovely community <3

[zanderklocke]

that is correct. buy a peggy cloak from me so i can buy some chardok AE. or you may want to complain about me monopolizing the highly sought after roaming placeholders of south karana.

I think I'm good on cloaks.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1063641#post1063641

Quillmane is FTE mob unless someone at each spawn point, and no one cares about lionesses and calves ha. However, hopefully people are still courteous about Quillmane though and don't snipe her.

But seriously.

I don't care one way or the other about Chardok AoE; in fact, I'd probably pull with my monk if I was high enough. However, a person trying to camp an area in Chardok has priority over the AoE group per the server rules. Chardok AoE is not actively "maintaining presence" at a camp, and is monopolizing a large number of mobs. This does not matter though, until someone shows up such as this monk. Then the AoE group has to figure out how to compromise with the player. "Eff off" won't look to good with the GMs. Just stating the facts.

[Krosan]

Actually, I did talk to the group. Their recourse was to buy one or get lost. They weren't going to stop pulling mobs. They weren't going to let me have an area. They weren't going to compromise. I came to the forums to get some feedback from GM's b/c I couldn't get a response to my petitions in game (I guess you didn't read anything). Now, the group is letting me have the tunnel. They did say they would give a pipe, but then rescinded the offer opting to let me have the tunnel and lose about 10ish mobs per pull. Vidarr has been very nice. Kronas has helped setup my situation here too. You, however, are worthless and argumentative. I hope you have a nice day despite this.

-Tooty Mc'Lessfrustrated

Yes, Vidarr pulled around Tooty and now I have replaced him as puller and am doing the same. Like I said earlier if you're dead-set on farming pipe I will always try and work with you.

[Nitsude]

+10 would read again

Thanks for helping me pass away my time in Tunnel Questing.

[Derubael]

Didn't read through the thread, but this has been addressed before.

No, Chardok AOE groups cannot take up the whole zone/train you if you wish to camp something in Chardok. Yes, this means if a few groups posted up in Chardok, the AOE group would be forced to share. No, there are no special rules in Chardok protecting AOE groups, period. They need to share like everyone else.

If you have a problem, petition. If no one is available for immediate help, have someone fraps/record the incident and the situation will be dealt with. Or you are welcome to point people to this post to reinforce that you're allowed to camp mobs without being disturbed.

Someone did make a good point here though - you will need to talk with the Chardok group when you arrive and let them know you are interested in grouping down there. They will have to pick a camp. 99% of the time they will choose to continue AOE'ing around your camp.

[Tooty]

Thanks for the clarity Derubael, and thanks to Krosan for his awesomeness as a human being.

-edited to correct Krosan's name

[Rais]

Anyone up for a standard Chardok group? I have a 58 rogue or 57 necro I can jump on.

Used to group in there before the AOE peeps turned up with their eyes on the TunnelQuest tokens.

This is the attitude you get to see everyday on red. Watch and learn. Someone willing to work something out for both parties? Ok, but lets screw them over. It's more fun.

[Ele]

This is the attitude you get to see everyday on red. Watch and learn. Someone willing to work something out for both parties? Ok, but lets screw them over. It's more fun.

http://i.imgur.com/mlM2VGI.png

[sulpher01]

Love how the majority of the suggestions are how to grief the AE group into leaving... that is so p99 style.

[Estu]

I'm glad the situation here got resolved but I don't understand the hate for Chardok AE groups in general. Being able to take down a hundred mobs at once inside a high-level dungeon is really cool, the use of the various class abilities to accomplish it is really impressive, and frankly, I find the selling of proxy EXP spots completely innocuous. To me, an AE group is an extreme example of what's really amazing about EverQuest: the ability to use the mechanics of the game to accomplish feats that the developers never dreamed possible. If you really want to do a standard EXP group in Chardok for whatever reason then you can do it as per server rules, but to set one up solely to spite an AE group is completely absurd and childish.

[Juryiel]

These are disappointing to see.

Yeah that Reckles guy seems disappointing. Most of the others seem to be willing to give him the camp and miss out on the 10 - 15 mobs though, even if begrudgingly so, so actually a lot better than I expected.

[zyryn]

The ae group immediately worked out a solution to the conflict. Tasselhoff must have logged in the middle of our discussion on a remedy.

[Tue Aug 19 14:57:25 2014] Vidarr says, 'k, so this troll guy Tooty is in here trying to camp for the metal pipe thing, you guys know this?'
[Tue Aug 19 14:57:43 2014] Rekles says, 'was not aware of that'

Note the time stamp on the log. I'm not sure about others in the ae, but just like Rekles, I was not aware of the conflict until Vidarr mentioned. We immediately came up with a solution (with some complaints of course) and gave the tunnel to Tooty.

If the time stamping on this thread is accurate, the orignal post is HOURS before we were even notified that there was an issue. It's very difficult to come to a solution in game, when people choose to go to the forums rather than talk it out in game.

[Tooty]

I talked with Calias and Vidarr before resorting to forums. And, I said things in 'say' before that. The first reply was buy one for 4k. The second was bugger off. Eventually Vidarr and Calias sent me tells to figure out something. The reply was we'll work with you to find a place we aren't pulling. That didn't work out b/c there weren't any pathers for the ikky betrayer I need. Only after Vidarr found out about this thread was any real effort put forward to help me.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Love how the majority of the suggestions are how to grief the AE group into leaving... that is so p99 style.

So, they aoe'in, and people hatin, so for that reason they zone in to try to catch them playing dirty?

That's ludicrous.

[hitmanloki]

I talked with Calias and Vidarr before resorting to forums. And, I said things in 'say' before that. The first reply was buy one for 4k. The second was bugger off. Eventually Vidarr and Calias sent me tells to figure out something. The reply was we'll work with you to find a place we aren't pulling. That didn't work out b/c there weren't any pathers for the ikky betrayer I need. Only after Vidarr found out about this thread was any real effort put forward to help me.

tell us how you really feel though

[Tooty]

tell us how you really feel though

you sir are chalk-full of win.

[stakha]

So, they aoe'in, and people hatin, so for that reason they zone in to try to catch them playing dirty?

That's ludicrous.

haha

[Clark]

Umm...ya..

[Fiyero]

I'm glad the situation here got resolved but I don't understand the hate for Chardok AE groups in general. Being able to take down a hundred mobs at once inside a high-level dungeon is really cool, the use of the various class abilities to accomplish it is really impressive, and frankly, I find the selling of proxy EXP spots completely innocuous. To me, an AE group is an extreme example of what's really amazing about EverQuest: the ability to use the mechanics of the game to accomplish feats that the developers never dreamed possible. If you really want to do a standard EXP group in Chardok for whatever reason then you can do it as per server rules, but to set one up solely to spite an AE group is completely absurd and childish.

Well, kind of the same reason people hate Bards. They monopolize an entire zone.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Umm...ya..

Clark, you are my muse

[Clark]

Clark, you are my muse

Wtb 60 bards. :cool:

[Pringles]

Just make random mobs in chardok immune to stun (1 in 50 chance of stun immunity when they spawn).... profit.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Just make random mobs in chardok immune to stun (1 in 50 chance of stun immunity when they spawn).... profit.

[X] YES
[ ] NO

Would be ultra lulzy if it came with a ninja patch

[Traxan]

^^Choice;)

[Uuruk]

Just make random mobs in chardok immune to stun (1 in 50 chance of stun immunity when they spawn).... profit.

[Pringles]

SARKAN! Please make me GM for a day so I can give random mobs in chardok stun immunity!

[Tasslehofp99]

I think the major issue is that AE stuns on live were generally resisted a lot more often than they are here. That alone would make chardok AoE a lot harder to accomplish on p99 without bringing extra enchanters. The earliest AE groups I remember always had like 5-6 enchanters; anything less resulted in lots of wipes and wasted time.

[Pringles]

Root has a 1% chance to resist now or whatever, why not stuns?

[Gimp]

Stuns in Chardok still get resisted all the time. Mobs being immune to stun would be a different story, though.

[Kender]

My wife used to do AE groups on live all the time. they used 2 chanters with 3 chained stuns each. when one was casting the highest level stun the other was casting the lowest level stun in order to minimise the risk

[Tuljin]

Chardok AOE sux. I cant believe all the rule lawyering for something that's funded chiefly by RMT plat.

[Daldaen]

Really need to add a Bard AE and Chardok clause into the Play nice/Don't monopolize policy.

Just so these posts stop happening every week. Or atleast, to /end them by linking/quoting that thread.

[arsenalpow]

Even droga is a shitshow. I took some BDA to AE the zone yesterday and there were no less than 7 people who weren't invited that refused to leave because they wanted to mooch some faction hits on our pulls.

[tanknspank]

If Chardok was ae'd on live in Kunark to the degree it is here, you can bet there would be a Nerf. Too bad the devs don't dev like classic devs.
It wasn't done to the extent done here, but we did it plenty of time for fun or to help guildies get some XP.

I think the major issue is that AE stuns on live were generally resisted a lot more often than they are here. That alone would make chardok AoE a lot harder to accomplish on p99 without bringing extra enchanters.
We did it on live with 2 (maybe 3?) enchanters, back in the day. It was perfectly sustainable (ofc occasional deaths as with any AoEing). Reason it didn't happen more was it was something hardcore people were doing and we had better things to do since we were 1 guild taking all the raiding content, not splitting spawns between a whole pile of guilds here.

[sulpher01]

Even droga is a shitshow. I took some BDA to AE the zone yesterday and there were no less than 7 people who weren't invited that refused to leave because they wanted to mooch some faction hits on our pulls.

Who cares? Most people would just offer free faction...

[Juevento]

Who cares? Most people would just offer free faction...

Hi have you met Chest before?

[kaev]

Hi have you met Chest before?

Who is Chest?

[Man0warr]

I don't think Chest would have cared if it wasn't a bunch of TMO alts.

[Ele]

Maybe they thought you guys were going to wipe and were trying to save you?

[Freakish]

Even droga is a shitshow. I took some BDA to AE the zone yesterday and there were no less than 7 people who weren't invited that refused to leave because they wanted to mooch some faction hits on our pulls.

I was trying to organize an AE droga in guild chat about 30 minutes before I heard BDA was there already. Needed to find an enc, but was lacking one. Thats probably why.

[Nirgon]

Still waiting for the part of this thread where the scum here admits wizards are godly

[Ele]

Still waiting for the part of this thread where the scum here admits wizards are godly

for about 30 seconds, then they go back to being meek

[Tuljin]

^^^

The bl00b pov on wizards and hp/resist gear

[Nirgon]

Ya don't mind us wizards we just reduce entire zones to lootable corpses in a minute or two.

[Tuljin]

Before Chardok AOE became a highly organized racket there was a fraction of lvl 60 wiz on blue, and even still most of the new 60 wiz were plvled and AOEd alts. Id love to see how many of them have Concussion and Manasink in their spellbooks

[Nirgon]

Mine does

[Bohab]

Casinos are problematic for a number of reasons. Many people were getting scammed out of them as well as hiding other server forbidden activities behind them (use your imagination).

Safe to assume this proxy chardok AE garbage has it's fingers in the same kind of shady forbidden activities IMO. Ban chardok AE!

[Nirgon]

Rogue gets epic at lvl 1

Doesn't out level epicless wizard

Threads ensue

[Daldaen]

Lol... Manasink and concussion...

Just use a mallet and you don't have aggro issues. Learn2classic.

Concussion was balls until PoP when you got EP Pants and could click it inbetween each cast. Otherwise just DA Earring to reset aggro.

Damn, PoP was the shit...

[Nirgon]

Boxing is classic, but does not exist here to recreate the overall classic experience

Item recharging is classic but does exist here which does not recreate the overall classic experience

[Daldaen]

More complicated than that. People could have unlimited free boxes here. Is a big problem. And it changes the community dynamic.

Recharging doesn't.

There's a server that doesn't have recharging... Or a ton of other classic features, for those who wish to play on it.

[Tuljin]

When you actually play content instead of only zerg raid and AOE you use Concussion all the time - as well as Manasink. Manasink is key for mitigating some unresistable AOE spells on raid as well as staring an Ice Comet in the face when a Krup wizard resists your stun. Also, you'd run out of mallet charges real quick if that was the only thing you used. But again, everybody AOEs to 60 instead of actually playing the game.

[Nirgon]

More complicated than that. People could have unlimited free boxes here. Is a big problem. And it changes the community dynamic.

Recharging doesn't.

There's a server that doesn't have recharging... Or a ton of other classic features, for those who wish to play on it.

That server has duck casting correct. Comment?

[gwideon]

Id love to see how many of them have Concussion and Manasink in their spellbooks

I was shocked that the level 60, VP geared, wizard for Velious beta does not have a level 39 quest spell. Concussion was Wizard 101 at Graffe in the wizard community.

[Ele]

I was shocked that the level 60, VP geared, wizard for Velious beta does not have a level 39 quest spell. Concussion was Wizard 101 at Graffe in the wizard community.

doesn't reduce aggro in pvp, which the template was based, so there ya go

[Rais]

The fact you mention the Graffe community should revoke any wizard right you have. That place was a shit pile of pre emo, emos who would cut themselves everyday over how bad wizards were.

[Daldaen]

That server has duck casting correct. Comment?

Blue needs duck cast fixed. It's true. Not high on priority list but would be real cool to see.

But... We need not go into EXP bonus, global OOC/PvP text, coin loot only, clickies with non-classic cast times/restrictions... Etc.

[Ele]

The fact you mention the Graffe community should revoke any wizard right you have. That place was a shit pile of pre emo, emos who would cut themselves everyday over how bad wizards were.

EQ Clerics was a pile of crying clerics about how druids/shamans could do more.

EQDruids/DruidsGrove was a pile of crying druids about how clerics could heal better.

Every class was self loathing.

[Daldaen]

doesn't reduce aggro in pvp, which the template was based, so there ya go

This is also why a lot of those templates have random crappy fire and cold resist gear that no one cares about. Or has diamond jewelry.

EQ Clerics was a pile of crying clerics about how druids/shamans could do more.

EQDruids/DruidsGrove was a pile of crying druids about how clerics could heal better.

Every class was self loathing.

Lolololol this. Reading those posts about how giving Druids Nature's Touch and eventually Tunare's Renewal will make them OP are so ridiculous looking back. Clerics were so bad about over exaggerating it and failed to recognize that A single level 39 spell would keep them more valuable for quite a few years to come.

[ssfarmer]

EQ Clerics was a pile of crying clerics about how druids/shamans could do more.

EQDruids/DruidsGrove was a pile of crying druids about how clerics could heal better.

Every class was self loathing.

and the main shaman forum was just us bitching about being nerfed on a biweekly basis :)

(mostly upset that the strategies were there in beta and noone thought they were op until druids started complaining lol)

[Tuljin]

I was checking out the Graffe forums the other night, lots of hilarious self-loathing and it just seems like most people on the forums were nubs.

Clerics can do plenty, its just that most of them choose to be really good at making CH macros instead of being really good at stunning, root CCing, and taking agro when appropriate.

Speaking of random fire and cold gear nobody cares about I wear two diamond rings, Carmine Pants, and Loam Gloves all day and IDGAF Lol :-) I swap in Jasper rings and maybe other odd pieces for extra MR for Necro, Enchanter, SK, and Cleric mobs - elemental resist gear is key for all other caster types.

[kaev]

EQ Clerics was a pile of crying clerics about how druids/shamans could do more.

EQDruids/DruidsGrove was a pile of crying druids about how clerics could heal better.

Every class was self loathing.

I only really noticed that on the caster class sites. Steel Warriors spent a lot more energy hating on Paladins than themselves, Paladins of Norrath was full of loathing for warriors in general and outright hatred for Furor, SK site was such a cesspit I've suppressed any memory of its name but I certainly don't recall much "oh poor me" shit there when I did visit...

Caster class sites drew the proto-cutters, melee class sites drew the jerks. At least that's how I recall it.

[Ele]

I like the wild turns this thread has produced. :)

[arsenalpow]

Concussion doesn't seem to be that effective anyways.

[gwideon]

The fact you mention the Graffe community should revoke any wizard right you have. That place was a shit pile of pre emo, emos who would cut themselves everyday over how bad wizards were.

Graffe was one of the better early places to collect information on the class. Early quest spoilers, game mechanics measurements/parsing, and less class whining than most forums. It was the best class forum in the early days. That you didn't read it reflects more on you.

[Juevento]

Daldaen keeps bringing up the lack of item loot on red. As I remember it, the PvP server I spent my EQ live time on had item loot removed before Kunark came out. Seems classic to me.

[gwideon]

Concussion doesn't seem to be that effective anyways.

Its not much, but it helps. Don't base the effectiveness off of the resist message.

[Tasslehofp99]

Concussion doesn't seem to be that effective anyways.

For raiding purposes I don't believe it is. All the mobs have 32k hps; by the time you can do enough damage to pull agro the mob is dead. Maybe in some instances of exp grinding groups I could see there being applications for the concussion spell.

I think when Velious comes out though people will realize why they need this spell.

[Whirled]

I like the wild turns this thread has produced. :)

http://www.beyond-black-friday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/George-Takei-Oh-Myy-ebook-cover.jpg

[Nirgon]

Blue needs duck cast fixed. It's true. Not high on priority list but would be real cool to see.

But... We need not go into EXP bonus, global OOC/PvP text, coin loot only, clickies with non-classic cast times/restrictions... Etc.

Then we are on the same page.

Minus recharging but I guess if red got item loot we could call it even.

Global ooc/xp shit I don't agree with but the less than 200 pop ain't classic either and these tried to help with that. Whattayagonnado I guess.

[Kender]

I only really noticed that on the caster class sites. Steel Warriors spent a lot more energy hating on Paladins than themselves, Paladins of Norrath was full of loathing for warriors in general and outright hatred for Furor, SK site was such a cesspit I've suppressed any memory of its name but I certainly don't recall much "oh poor me" shit there when I did visit...

Caster class sites drew the proto-cutters, melee class sites drew the jerks. At least that's how I recall it.

and monkeybusiness was all about how great monks were

[Ele]

Who remembers the monk sit-in protest?

http://i.imgur.com/EHbX8l4.jpg

[Clark]

Maybe they thought you guys were going to wipe and were trying to save you?

Lol

[Tuljin]

Concussion doesn't seem to be that effective anyways.

Concussion will reverse snap agro if it puts you off the top of the hate list - if it lands and bumps you off the top of the list the mob will instantly move to the next toon down. Its best used when you stun a mob when hes high HP either to interrupt a caster youre pulling or to stop a mob from beating on a group member he shouldn't. During the stun duration hit him with a concussion and you will get bumped down the list. Its also good when you have to chain nuke and you toss it in between to keep your hate down. Its only 25 mana and a very short cast time.

Its not really meant for instant agro drop. You have to use it preemptively. It doesn't work against Kunark raid mobs but it becomes useful in Velious raid. Its an awesome spell.

[Daldaen]

Wat? Concussion should remove aggro even if it resist. Atleast it did during PoP.

Time to investimagate.

[Ele]

Wat? Concussion should remove aggro even if it resist. Atleast it did during PoP.

Time to investimagate.

To the Research Mobile!

[Daldaen]

Daldaen keeps bringing up the lack of item loot on red. As I remember it, the PvP server I spent my EQ live time on had item loot removed before Kunark came out. Seems classic to me.

August 2004 Patch (http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20040811.html)

Players killed in PvP combat will now spawn in Shadowrest with full equipment. A naked corpse will remain in the location they died for 3 hours. Note that this effectively removes item loot from Rallos Zek. With the addition of no drop augments it became rather trivial to effectively remove item loot from the server anyway, and we felt the benefits of the new death system outweigh the benefits of an item loot system.

Item loot was removed after LDoN when people could put no drop augments in everything to prevent item loot all together...

Not Kunark. Not even close.

[Daldaen]

To the Research Mobile!

Eh I dunno, seems silly to even investigate. Think about it this way:

Do melee generate hate on swings that miss -- yes
Do casters generate hate on spells that resist -- yes

Ergo, concussion should reduce aggro even if resist. Aggro things factor in before resist check does. And for all I know it may function like that on this server... But it's a pointless spell for most purposes during Kunark since people can mallet or puppet strings on mobs that matter, and mobs that don't matter you aren't going to be burning so hard to pull aggro. But from 2003:

Graffe 2003 (http://www.graffe.com/forums/showthread.php?8643-The-Truth-about-concussion-(and-other-aggro))

Conclusion: I can now hope to conclude that, without a doubt, the concussion spell works even when resisted, to the full extent. This question should be answered for all wizards now and forever, without need for dispute. I intend to post screens/logs to amend the validity of this test, should it be needed.

[Duncon]

I played on a team PvP (TZ I think) server and item loot was removed before or during Velious as I never played long enough to see the next expansion.

[Tuljin]

Its a pain to test and not really worth it. I've been the only wizard on small sub-12 man raids many times and I've survived agro to finish off a boss thanks to rune and some awesome patch heals. With the 32k Hp mobs its easy to just start ripping lures at 50% or so and you'll be fine. On larger raids 18+ it changes a bit cause hate is spread out over more toons and its easier to be high on the hate list and catch agro, but still mobs drop fast enough its not too much of an issue. In dungeons I use it all the time.

[Kingore]

Even droga is a shitshow. I took some BDA to AE the zone yesterday and there were no less than 7 people who weren't invited that refused to leave because they wanted to mooch some faction hits on our pulls.

Can we go back to talking about how Chest refuses to help any non BDA? Cancer of the server, if you ask me.

[Juevento]

Can we go back to talking about how Chest refuses to help any non BDA? Cancer of the server, if you ask me.

Hi have you met Class R?

[Juevento]

August 2004 Patch (http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20040811.html)



Item loot was removed after LDoN when people could put no drop augments in everything to prevent item loot all together...

Not Kunark. Not even close.

Ok so it was June of 2000 shortly after Kunark.

"As we announced earlier this week, due to the number of people specifying interest in "coin-only" loot on Vallon Zek, versus those wishing to retain item- loot, we have implemented "coin-only" looting rules for PvP combat on Vallon Zek."

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000622.html

Edit: looks like TZ was changed to coin only back in February of 2000. So I stand by my statement.

[Daldaen]

I'm sorry, I don't see Team99. I see FFA PvP R99...

Correct me if I'm wrong - Vallon and Tallon were both teams servers right? DE/Troll/Ogre/Iksar v Erud/Barb/Human v Half/High/Wood Elf v Gnome/Dwarf/Halfling?

[loramin]

EQ Clerics was a pile of crying clerics about how druids/shamans could do more.

EQDruids/DruidsGrove was a pile of crying druids about how clerics could heal better.

Every class was self loathing.

I'm not so sure it was entirely self-loathing; there was also a meta-level to the griping. Basically the idea was to say "Class X is better than us because of _____ (so nerf class X and not us)" as loudly as possible, so the dev nerf hammer's agro would go to class X instead of your's.

[Kender]

back to the original topic at hand after the derailment.

I'm going to ask the questin everyone wants to know the answer too...

Did Tooty get his pipe?

[indiscriminate_hater]

Did Tooty get his pipe?


Dirty

[Sororf]

Pretty easy to tell Rekles and hitmanloki are giant faggots from this thread

[Swish]

Pretty easy to tell Rekles and hitmanloki are giant faggots from this thread

People trying to stop their flow of ez plat.

You have to remember how damn important it is to not be a victim of the economy here, and to really get ahead you need full TunnelQuest immersion, hitting F5 on ahungry every 60 seconds and 16 hours play time per day (at least).

If you can achieve that you'll be pixel rich/life poor in no time :p






Artist's impression of Rekles' desktop setup...

http://i.imgur.com/0KtXmDV.jpg

[Masq]

what are those cups in the bottom left, and are they opened upside down?

[Glenzig]

what are those cups in the bottom left, and are they opened upside down?

You've never seen Yoplait yogurt?

[Rhambuk]

definitely yoplait.

and wasn't this loly's desktop, or was that just a troll pic ;p

[Swish]

Just one of many from the internets :)