Casinos

[zforrestal]

I lobby for a meat only exemption!

I agree, if anything should be allowed it should be meat spin and raffles! :)

[t3kn34k]

To whom it may concern,
With the recent news on the ban of Casinos, I am deeply saddened. As some of you may know, I am Tookie and I run a very high standard casino. I have been around since Nov. 27th, 2009 running a casino and have never run into a problem with the legitimacy of my casino. The sole reason I played EQ was to provide fun entertainment for everyone through running a casino, now this has been taken away due to the actions of a few "scammers". I fully understand both sides of the scale, and I still disagree on the matter. Antonican Gaming Commission was the 500th p99 guild, with the idea of putting all casinos under 1 reputable name.

I role play my ass off to provide fun, a good experience, to do free giveaways and bring something unique to EQ. So why are the actions of others prohibiting me from being able to provide this? Yet guilds disregard/break GM and player set rules, over and over again but we don't see full guilds getting banned for ruining your experience into the end game raid scene.

In this sense I feel discriminated against, I can't play the game how I'd like because of the actions of others and I'm being punished for it. Same thing when people say "Casinos should be at T2, or Shady because of all the Spam".. it's Rosa Parks all over again... You can just as easily TURN OFF random roll text as it is for me to walk to T2, this is PURE discrimination and I can not justify that. You don't like to gamble then don't otherwise get on with how you like to play the game, and I'll continue to play how I'd like to play.

Gambling at a casino for trusting someone to do an xfer for you that you don't fully trust, is AT YOUR OWN RISK, and that's how casinos should be handled. The GM's shouldn't be concerned with this issue, if you play at a casino and they "scam" you, well take note of it and don't play there again, same goes for people who say they'll do an xfer for you and run away with your stuff. I think you lose more players due to the end game raid scene and how the guilds handle that than you lose to "scammers".

To sum this up, I play EQ to provide this service so people can have some fun without the support of the players, I couldn't do any of the free giveaways or raffles, the things that are a true good service, without running a casino. So I'm asking you to re think your current ban on casinos. I already started and would be willing to be the representative of a reputable Casino guild. I'd really like to continue doing what I do best instead of uninstalling.

This:
Also, I personally have left the game pretty much.
I hit 60 a while ago and made a ton of alts to mess around on, but i found a couple areas where the game could provide more interesting avenues.

--I became a tunnel rat, making deals with people now that i had plat to throw around was fun, but could get boring during the downtimes, so i started running a very low stakes casino: 500p to 5k, though often times newbies would want to bet their 50pp, which i would usually either give back when they lost or give them cool mid grade items that people had bet with me since they were obviously new to the server. This casino that i ran gained a good reputation and TBH did not "earn" boatloads of money, but, because it was low stakes, provided fun and thrill.

--I also applied for GMship upon Eunomia's advice. My application to DONATE my time as a VOLUNTEER did not even get a response, though it took well over an hour to write. but that's okay.

The truth of P99 is this:
a small group of the player base ruins the endgame content for everyone else by hogging it for some reason or other (probably RMT since i haven't seen a wave of bannings like the one last spring since.... well last spring.)

Many of my friends have quit: because of this and because the general consensus is that the people running the show aren't doing their job (ethically), and clearly do not want help.

It seems that the server admins are most concerned with the issue with the "fungi roll" where Arrowed artificially LD'd after the 666.

One person fucking it up for everyone doesnt seem legit. Especially with overwhelming proof of the one person's fraudulent actions. You have enough information to remove the item from the offending player and even, i would say, award it to the player who it was promised to.

This all being said, i support the sanctioning of a guild for trading/gaming.

[harnold]

Gambling is immoral and illegal....shut it down!

[Derubael]

--I also applied for GMship upon Eunomia's advice. My application to DONATE my time as a VOLUNTEER did not even get a response, though it took well over an hour to write. but that's okay.

We usually don't respond to guide applications at all - when we are ready to pull someone in for an interview we usually PM them. Guide applications can often sit for months at a time before being called up. You can draw a parallel to applying for a job - rarely will you receive a response, unless the company hiring you is ready for an interview.


Many of my friends have quit: because of this and because the general consensus is that the people running the show aren't doing their job (ethically), and clearly do not want help.

Not sure I understand this part, but we offer even better CSR support than they did on live. We will do many things the CSR staff on live simply wouldn't do, with a smaller staff, and similar population. We try to adhere as closely as possible to the original Live CSR guidelines, but are quite a bit more lenient than the Live CSR's ever were. The only ethical motivation any of us have behind our work is to help make everyone's play experience as enjoyable as possible.

edit: and for the last time, casino's werent removed because that one guy got scammed. The timing was just coincidentally in-line with our GM meeting.

[Nekkojakk]

TLDR

Same three people whining and bitching about the change. Everyone else shrugging and moving on.

[DarkwingDuck]

"Use your best judgement" isn't really the best way to go about making new rules is it? Rules should be specific and allow for little player interpretation, or else you'll end up spending more time trying to enforce the vague rule than you ever did on the few scammers.

The point I was trying to get at is that all the things I listed were in essence the same. If you ban casinos (people using /random to take a chance at winning money/item), you have to ban rolling on loots as well. If you try to ban one without banning the other, you'll have to twist your logic to fit the inconsistency. I suspect this is why you say you want to leave it up to us, because there is no way you can be specific about what is allowed and what isn't without exposing that inconsistency.

You're an idiot and being difficult.
They are banning casinos due to scammers. End of discussion .
Be mad at the pathetic humans in existence who scam other people over pixels, and move on.

[DarkwingDuck]

You have just as many people arguing for the allowance of player run casinos as are opposed... A simple.. "Gamble at your own RISK' rule should be the implement not a Ban... Gamble at your OWN RISK relieves the GM's from having to deal with any issues regarding player run Casinos.. why can't you just say that please...


Move on.

Secondly -- what's with the raffle u have, where the same person has own three times...
And multiple people winning multiple times.

[DarkwingDuck]

I think you deserve to be bullied for comparing yourself to Rosa Parks. I mean, damn brah. Come on.

Haha ^

[DarkwingDuck]

That definition could be used to include:
Rolling for a piece of gear that just dropped
Attacking a blue con mob (it's quite a gamble, but you might win some loot)
Paying someone to camp a spawn for you (you're paying money and gambling that the mob will pop)

Without some kind of specificity in regards to what gambling means in EQ, the rule is overly vague and open to interpretation. Our laws are overly specific for a reason.


I wish I was a dev here, I would instant ban anyone and everyone this dumb.
If that meant me soloing for eternity than so be it,

Man relax rosa parks

[DarkwingDuck]

EVE developers strive to keep the "sandboxness" in tact and try to balance risk vs reward with each game-change, where as every other game the developers cave to the whiners and turn it into carebear themepark

Compare EVE to EQLive. One is still a strong sandbox MMO where things you achieved in the first year still mean something. where the other one has been butchered to shit

In EVE, you are never safe from other players. Whether that be getting your ship blown up or all of your $ scammed

EVE also sucks.

[DarkwingDuck]

SERIOUSLY HOW THE FUCK IS THIS LIKE CLASSIC? I was there. Classic memories discussed between me and my little brother for the last 15 years have always involved casinos. Don't make this a prison server man. It's all EQ has left. There's no where else for us hardcore players to go.

You think you're a hardcore player cause u wanna play ata casino?
Try pokerstars.net and /quit

[DarkwingDuck]

The casino ban to me is more than just a ban.. it an infringement on basic rights that should be applied even if it's just a video game...

Another lulz

[Olscratch]

This:
The truth of P99 is this:
a small group of the player base ruins the endgame content for everyone else by hogging it for some reason or other (probably RMT since i haven't seen a wave of bannings like the one last spring since.... well last spring.)

Many of my friends have quit: because of this and because the general consensus is that the people running the show aren't doing their job (ethically), and clearly do not want help.

It seems that the server admins are most concerned with the issue with the "fungi roll" where Arrowed artificially LD'd after the 666.

One person fucking it up for everyone doesnt seem legit. Especially with overwhelming proof of the one person's fraudulent actions. You have enough information to remove the item from the offending player and even, i would say, award it to the player who it was promised to.

This all being said, i support the sanctioning of a guild for trading/gaming.

Even Derubael somewhat supported legal authorized casinos for a while but I guess decided to take the easiest route possible to deal with non-existent problem.

"It's more like operating a liquor store. Or... a casino. In Vegas they are all strictly regulated and overseen by the NGC. If I wanted to set up a license system where no one could have a license (effectively banning casinos) I'd just ban the casinos - it really doesn't effect me, and banning them altogether is less work. This was just an alternative solution in case my peers have reservations about a full on ban when we hold our meeting." - Derubael


Not sure I understand this part, but we offer even better CSR support than they did on live. We will do many things the CSR staff on live simply wouldn't do, with a smaller staff, and similar population.

Just my opinion but you guys seem a lot more authoritative and ambitious about singlehandly shaping the server than the classic CSR.


edit: and for the last time, casino's werent removed because that one guy got scammed. The timing was just coincidentally in-line with our GM meeting.

What a weird coincidence that casinos are completely fine + classic for years then 2 weeks after Arrowed's "scam" all legit gambling and reputable casinos are put under prohibition with no explanation and no longer "in line with policies set during classic"! WOW! EXTREMELY COINCIDENTAL!


CONFIRMED EVIDENCE OF PLAYER RUN CASINOS SERVERS:
QUELLIOUS
VEESHAN
MORREL-THULE
ANTONIUS BAYLE
CAZIC-THULE
INNORUUK
THE SEVENTH HAMMER/LANYS T VYL
PREXUS
POVAR
XEGONY/ZEBUXORUK
FENNIN RO/TORVONNILOUS
BRISTLEBANE
DRINAL/TAREW MARR
MAELIN STARPYRE/VAZAELLE

CONFIRMED EVIDENCE OF GAMBLING PROHIBITION SERVERS:
PROJECT PROXYANDMQFEST

[Thulack]

Just my opinion but you guys seem a lot more authoritative and ambitious about singlehandly shaping the server than the classic CSR.


It's their server. They can do whatever the hell they want. If you don't like it no one stopping you from leaving.

[Olscratch]

It's their server. They can do whatever the hell they want. If you don't like it no one stopping you from leaving.

Omg I had no idea no one was stopping me from leaving. This is fantastic!

[Glenzig]

Omg I had no idea no one was stopping me from leaving. This is fantastic!

You're not going to make them reverse their decision. Posts like yours would only make me more resolute in my stance if I were a member of the staff. Casino's are banned. Its a done deal. Find a way to move on.

[scythic]

Have the GM's come down on player run Whore Houses? Can we get a ruling on this?

[Nineran]

Thank you, so much GMs. Great decision.

[t3kn34k]

cool, so you guys had a gm meeting. where was the discussion about the player-run monopolies on raid mobs

Edit: another reason i quit was the latest GM event--
here is the gist of it, in case you missed it...
the top raid guilds got extra targets this week. Its almost too much storyline to bear

[Rais]

cool, so you guys had a gm meeting. where was the discussion about the player-run monopolies on raid mobs

Edit: another reason i quit was the latest GM event--
here is the gist of it, in case you missed it...
the top raid guilds got extra targets this week. Its almost too much storyline to bear
Just end it quickly, no more posts please.

[drktmplr12]

came to read drama.

I was not disappointed.

glad i forum quest.



too long did not read.

gambling neck beards are butt hurt .

keep casinos banned.

[gildor]

Player run casinos might be classic, but so was paying $14.99 a month..

Actually...$9.99 and then an increase to $12.99 and eventually $14.99 was classic..not to split hairs

[kaev]

Actually...$9.99 and then an increase to $12.99 and eventually $14.99 was classic..not to split hairs

Get it right man, it started at $9.89 (remember 989 Studio? lol)

[JayN]

p99 cash shop for all the bads; and you guys get the money$$

[Danne]

Does this rule also apply to in-game prostitution?

[Nyze]

Casinos were banned after Luclin on live. That being said... hurray. Less annoying spam

[littlebobby3]

As a employee at a real casino all I can say it good on yall. yeah its there but who's to say it should be? People come in to make some money it's all rigged for you to lose but people still play thousands of dollars everyday. With a few winners here and there.

Sometimes i hate my job all i am providing to people is very expensive entertainment, and then I'm the bad guy when they don't win every hand (I'm a blackjack dealer)

Long story short gambling shouldn't be around period. It just destroys lives.

[Rais]

Do you ever blink to a normal who hangs at your table when you have 2 face cards, or 21 to buy insurance?

[littlebobby3]

No I blink when I normally blink my casino doesn't care about card counters because all of them suck bad at it

[Llodd]

We usually don't respond to guide applications at all - when we are ready to pull someone in for an interview we usually PM them. Guide applications can often sit for months at a time before being called up. You can draw a parallel to applying for a job - rarely will you receive a response, unless the company hiring you is ready for an interview.


Not sure I understand this part, but we offer even better CSR support than they did on live. We will do many things the CSR staff on live simply wouldn't do, with a smaller staff, and similar population. We try to adhere as closely as possible to the original Live CSR guidelines, but are quite a bit more lenient than the Live CSR's ever were. The only ethical motivation any of us have behind our work is to help make everyone's play experience as enjoyable as possible.


I think what he means is that you often say you have lots of work to get through, whilst not taking on more staff to alleviate that work.

[Llodd]

I can understand where you are coming from, but I think you overlook all of the level 1 rogues and clerics with their epics. Those low levels would not be able to compete for the relevant camps with their higher level counterparts. Similarly, I was in a KC group recently when a metal pipe dropped. Several people in the group wanted to random against the monk for the item because they could sell the MQ, when the monk himself needed the pipe to advance his epic quest. Eliminating MQs would indeed not eliminate overcrowded camps, but it would eliminate people camping enemies that ONLY drop epic pieces for other classes with MQing for plat in mind.

Not to mention that if I'm going to be cockblocked I'd much rather be cockblocked by someone who needs it rather than someone that's just selling it for pp.

[Derubael]

I think what he means is that you often say you have lots of work to get through, whilst not taking on more staff to alleviate that work.

We are in the process of bringing on more Guides to the staff.

The problem is it's extremely difficult to find people that:

1) We can trust. Most important thing.

2) Are willing to work, and treat the work like it's a legitimate job

3) Can be respectful and calm even when being threatened, insulted, or harassed.

4) Can put in 20+ hours a week minimum. Right now we aren't even looking at apps who don't have that much time to put in.

5) Won't burnout/leave/get frustrated within 6 months of joining. We've had 2 Guides turnover in the last few months because they got busy with RL/weren't prepared for the expectations we have of our Guides.

Ascertaining all of that from a single Guide app + interview is difficult, and that's why it takes so long to pick Guides.

All of that being said, apply to be a Guide today! We need YOU to help Norrath!

[littlebobby3]

We are in the process of bringing on more Guides to the staff.

The problem is it's extremely difficult to find people that:

1) We can trust. Most important thing.

2) Are willing to work, and treat the work like it's a legitimate job

3) Can be respectful and calm even when being threatened, insulted, or harassed.

4) Can put in 20+ hours a week minimum. Right now we aren't even looking at apps who don't have that much time to put in.

5) Won't burnout/leave/get frustrated within 6 months of joining. We've had 2 Guides turnover in the last few months because they got busy with RL/weren't prepared for the expectations we have of our Guides.

Ascertaining all of that from a single Guide app + interview is difficult, and that's why it takes so long to pick Guides.

All of that being said, apply to be a Guide today! We need YOU to help Norrath!

I always thought being a guide or a GM would be fun but like you said there is a lot of time involved. I considered applying after I watched the last stream sirken did but after reading this I may wait till my life settles down a bit.

If you don't mind me asking what is the issue with trust? Are guides abusing privileges?

[funhorroryes]

i bet there will be underground casinos now with higher rake and less win %

[Elerial]

We are in the process of bringing on more Guides to the staff.

The problem is it's extremely difficult to find people that:

1) We can trust. Most important thing.

2) Are willing to work, and treat the work like it's a legitimate job

3) Can be respectful and calm even when being threatened, insulted, or harassed.

4) Can put in 20+ hours a week minimum. Right now we aren't even looking at apps who don't have that much time to put in.

5) Won't burnout/leave/get frustrated within 6 months of joining. We've had 2 Guides turnover in the last few months because they got busy with RL/weren't prepared for the expectations we have of our Guides.

Ascertaining all of that from a single Guide app + interview is difficult, and that's why it takes so long to pick Guides.

All of that being said, apply to be a Guide today! We need YOU to help Norrath!

Sounds like Uncle Sam recruiting ;)

I'm sure people will apply and help.

But just as a side note, don't you think it's a bit discouraging to say "it took a year for my application to get approved, be patient" ?

People post an application, then don't hear from you for a few months and anyone would assume that the server doesn't actually _need_ Guides that much if it takes so long to respond.
Edit: You're comparing it to a legitimate job, but most people out there, who are willing to help you aren't willing to commit to another job. Therein might lie your problem of finding reliable people. Most people applying will already have one + a family to take care of. Not to mention some of them might delegate 3 hours a day to playing the game and becoming a Guide with 20+ minimum hours a week just became their play time is 0.
At the same time, you're scaring all those that would be willing to help in minor roles (live had relegated duties) for a minor time involvment with your "legitimate job routine" that you end up with.. well.. seeing how you complain all the time about being overworked. It's those people with jobs and families and whatnot that have put some life behind them that would probably fill that niche of being trustworthy AND have the patience of an IT professional behind a service desk.

And on the treating this thing as a legitimate job - those ussually pay. On Live, for all it being "volounteer" - we got free expansions and didn't need to pay our subscription, I presume you're not putting your highest hopes on the exquisite opportunity of dealing with asshats every day as your numero uno.
Edit: That isn't why I signed up for the Guide program on Live. The simple fact of helping keep the game smoother for everyone was payment enough. Not paying for expansions and subscriptions was just an added bonus. I did hate every minute of the tedious reporting of every single thing I did as a Guide. Not because I don't think what Guides do shouldn't be monitored and scrutinized but because the tools to do so were outdated + you had to double check if the report didn't mix something up and make you look like a mass murderer.


Have a nice day, I know mine already is.

[Derubael]

Sounds like Uncle Sam recruiting ;)

I'm sure people will apply and help.

But just as a side note, don't you think it's a bit discouraging to say "it took a year for my application to get approved, be patient" ?

People post an application, then don't hear from you for a few months and anyone would assume that the server doesn't actually _need_ Guides that much if it takes so long to respond.
Edit: You're comparing it to a legitimate job, but most people out there, who are willing to help you aren't willing to commit to another job. Therein might lie your problem of finding reliable people. Most people applying will already have one + a family to take care of. Not to mention some of them might delegate 3 hours a day to playing the game and becoming a Guide with 20+ minimum hours a week just became their play time is 0.
At the same time, you're scaring all those that would be willing to help in minor roles (live had relegated duties) for a minor time involvment with your "legitimate job routine" that you end up with.. well.. seeing how you complain all the time about being overworked. It's those people with jobs and families and whatnot that have put some life behind them that would probably fill that niche of being trustworthy AND have the patience of an IT professional behind a service desk.

And on the treating this thing as a legitimate job - those ussually pay. On Live, for all it being "volounteer" - we got free expansions and didn't need to pay our subscription, I presume you're not putting your highest hopes on the exquisite opportunity of dealing with asshats every day as your numero uno.
Edit: That isn't why I signed up for the Guide program on Live. The simple fact of helping keep the game smoother for everyone was payment enough. Not paying for expansions and subscriptions was just an added bonus. I did hate every minute of the tedious reporting of every single thing I did as a Guide. Not because I don't think what Guides do shouldn't be monitored and scrutinized but because the tools to do so were outdated + you had to double check if the report didn't mix something up and make you look like a mass murderer.


Have a nice day, I know mine already is.

We demand a lot of our Guides, and don't want to disillusion anyone over the work that will be required. There is a ton of fun and it's a rewarding position, but there are expectations and we do expect people to take the position very seriously.

I understand where you are coming from with your post, but we've had enough experience bringing on new staff members to recognize that it's extremely important we detail exactly what it is we're looking for so that people know what they are getting into.

As for mentioning that it took a year for me to get a response, again, I'd rather be honest than tell a lie to make things look "better". After you've put in a Guide application you could literally be pulled up for an interview at any minute.

Lastly, we really do want people to consider this position as a serious responsibility and privilege. We want people to understand what they are getting themselves into. Being a Guide is one of the most rewarding things you can do here on Project 1999, assuming you are that kind of person who wants to help the server more than anything else. If you are that kind of person, we want you to apply :)

It's a lot of fun and a ton of work, and if you can accept that, you won't find a better way to experience and help the server.

[Shannacore]

Does this include events such as the EQ Trivia Night I did a few weeks back?

[Ataxio]

Perhaps... perhaps it's time I cleaned up that rough draft :F

[Brohl]

Wow drama central. After wading through this entire thread I must say I am entertained. First, kudos to the ban on all casinos! They are nothing but annoying spammers and add nothing to the game itself.
Being new here and thinking this whole concept is both novel and well thought out I am surprised that there is so much griefing over this simple rule. Really, no one HAS to play here. You all came here by choice through either nostalgia over the "good old days" or a desire to play EQ as it was back at the beginning. If you don't find it fun go play elsewhere.
Just few more off the cuff comments:
To the guy who keeps demanding that the rulings be "more specific". Yes, you can still /random for loot drops. And I believe no you cannot have a guild casino night or day. I would also imagine if you and a friend want to /random a dice game while waiting for a spawn no one will care, ever.
To the guy who was demanding his "basic rights" ...are you a nut? This is a game in case you failed to notice. Oh yes I almost forgot, I am planning on creating a guild that only Dark Elves can join. These are toons not actual people and unless you are having very very serious breaks from reality you can't "discriminate" against a toon.

Just my 2 cents...
Brohl
Formerly of Quellious Warlords of Order and Chaos!!!

[Elerial]

We demand a lot of our Guides, and don't want to disillusion anyone over the work that will be required. There is a ton of fun and it's a rewarding position, but there are expectations and we do expect people to take the position very seriously.

I understand where you are coming from with your post, but we've had enough experience bringing on new staff members to recognize that it's extremely important we detail exactly what it is we're looking for so that people know what they are getting into.

As for mentioning that it took a year for me to get a response, again, I'd rather be honest than tell a lie to make things look "better". After you've put in a Guide application you could literally be pulled up for an interview at any minute.

Lastly, we really do want people to consider this position as a serious responsibility and privilege. We want people to understand what they are getting themselves into. Being a Guide is one of the most rewarding things you can do here on Project 1999, assuming you are that kind of person who wants to help the server more than anything else. If you are that kind of person, we want you to apply :)

It's a lot of fun and a ton of work, and if you can accept that, you won't find a better way to experience and help the server.

I understand ful.. wait, no, actually I don't fully understand why you need to paint such a bleak picture, but given how hectic sometimes things were on live with server teams having up to 30 members + backing of 50something SWAT guides + GM's + DEV's or Guide/GM Liasons AND still managed to end up shits creek.

Honesty is the best policy. I'd rather have you tell me the truth than pretty it up so I fail to see that big bear trap with spikes on the bottom right in front of me. But I pointed out what I did for the simple reason that I can't be the only one thinking the entire thing might be a bit discouraging. Especially since I know quite some people who don't want to return to EQ/EVE "because they don't need another job".

Best of luck however in finding reliable people, if nothing else to relieve your shoulders from the weight of the world you're carrying (Server staff in general).

[Potus]

Fun fact: Highpass was originally supposed to be a casino and Verant never finished it. Of course the Casino would later be put in on Luclin.

Would be super cool to see the Highpass NPCs run some sort of ticket system for pre-nerf items.

[Atalya]

We are sorry for ruining your Everquest gambling experience. We realize that at this point in time the number of players we will lose due to this change may just vacate the box completely, but we vow to continue on despite the odds.

Can you seriously come off as any larger of a prick at times? Seriously just because your name is in green doesn't mean you can treat people like shit. Between this and your crusade to let red losers post whatever they want to antagonize blue players it's rediculous

[kaev]

Can you seriously come off as any larger of a prick at times? Seriously just because your name is in green doesn't mean you can treat people like shit. Between this and your crusade to let red losers post whatever they want to antagonize blue players it's rediculous

Oh get off. I got 99 bitches about Deru, but throwing a bit of snark in the face of some some annoying jerk who comes here to whine that his favorite way to be an annoying jerk has been outlawed is not one of them.

[Olscratch]

Oh get off. I got 99 bitches about Deru, but throwing a bit of snark in the face of some some annoying jerk who comes here to whine that his favorite way to be an annoying jerk has been outlawed is not one of them.

Because providing a wanted service for years without complaint or RMT suspicion, seldom spamming (not in shout) from T2, doing free transfers all day, and doing plat giveaways is being an annoying jerk. Derubael was being an ass and so are you.

EC now 50% more boring with no classic casinos but with added non-classic itemlink spam. Thanks derubael.

[kruptcy]

Because providing a wanted service for years without complaint or RMT suspicion, seldom spamming (not in shout) from T2, doing free transfers all day, and doing plat giveaways is being an annoying jerk. Derubael was being an ass and so are you.

EC now 50% more boring with no classic casinos but with added non-classic itemlink spam. Thanks derubael.

Completely agree, this is totally unacceptable. I think you should ask for a refund.

[Potus]

Why do people complain about Item Links? Do you want people to type out the stats on every item? I remember that, it was fucking awful. You'd get like 30 tells asking you what the AC was on various items, and they never bought the damn thing.

[Awwalike]

this is everquests 15th year, if you don't know what items have what stats or know how to use the wiki then u probably shouldn't be playing here

[-Alcoholic-]

this is everquests 15th year, if you don't know what items have what stats or know how to use the wiki then u probably shouldn't be playing here

By far and away the most ignorant thing i have read this week...this is tantamount to saying: "why would i want to know the exact number of hitpoints i have left?? i can see how much of my little green bar is left!"

[salimoneus]

The only thing that really bothered me about casinos was the roll spam, because morons do not have the common courtesy to move that shit farther back into the tunnels away from the main trading areas. I didn't even mind having to add a new casino to the ignore list every few days, big deal, as long as the list could grow as large as needed.

IMO if people are dumb enough to hand money over to someone with no reputation or accountability then that's pretty much on them, so have at it.

But as we can see, things on this server are trending towards more restrictions, more regulations, less personal liberties and freedoms, and socialism (loot rationing). Definitely not classic and definitely not based on the original design principles. Sound familiar?

[Doil_Boil]

this is everquests 15th year, if you don't know what items have what stats or know how to use the wiki then u probably shouldn't be playing here

Thankfully, not everyone has this attitude, which is why we continue to see players from live, and furthermore, brand new players joining up!

[PDX0621]

Seriously? Ya'll still talkin' bout casinos?

[PhilPhans]

Guess i should read the forums more often... didn't even know this happened.

I can't believe there is a 31 page thread complaining about the change or any change for that matter. This is a free server. They make the rules. it's a simple concept. If you don't like playing here under their rules for free. Then go elsewhere. I feel bad for the legit Casinos out there . I do. I am sure there were some cool people who ran them. But at the end of the day... We are in their world . With no expense to us. There might be a day where they make a change i don't like. Then it is up to me to decide whether it is a game breaker or not. But i can tell you i won't be complaining about it. i will simply leave. IF this were on Sony Live servers where you actually payed a sub .. i can see this thread existing. But not here.

[Portasaurus]

The tunnel has simply not been the same without the casinos. Thread deserves at least another 100 pages. Decisions like these turn greengrocer blue.

FREE TOOKIE! FREE REINCE! FREE MARIACHII! FREE DUNGEONMASTER (yes even dungeonmaster)!

Seriously, though... selling sandwiches is boring enough and then they take away my slot machines and trust me .. tunnel immersion levels are at an all-time-low.

Booze sales are already down 300% and I'm having a hard time paying my torch bill. Been visited twice by two big Ogres who keep asking when I'm going to have my "Ogguk security fee." I just don't know how much longer I can continue like this.

We might need to hold a rally in EC to bring back the casinos.

HANDS UP! DON'T BET!

WHAT DO WE WANT? (GAMBLING!) WHEN DO WE WANT IT? (SOON, PREFERABLY!)

[Orruar]

Need some guidance: If another shaman and I choose to have our dogs fight and we gamble over the outcome, is that considered a casino or is that just good wholesome fun?

[JayN]

Need some guidance: If another shaman and I choose to have our dogs fight and we gamble over the outcome, is that considered a casino or is that just good wholesome fun?

ban for mike vic here

[Portasaurus]

I've heard chatter from a few different folks who want to set up some sort of pet fighting ring and I love all of it. I hope it happens. If it does, I am willing and able to provide refreshments to the spectators.

"Hey, beer man!"

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[-Alcoholic-]

5480

Haha had to do it... this guys face is full of wisdom and understanding :p

[Blasted]

I didn't read a full 16 pages of this, but is it so difficult to understand that since 100% eradication of the RMT plat market is impossible, in-game gambling is a slippery slope to real money gambling? Even if you're hosting a game and have no ties to RMT, someone might be wagering plat they bought with real money and selling their winnings. If you're pretending not to understand this, you're either in denial, or guilty of RMT.

EC casinos were fun, but I was always surprised they were allowed to exist at all.

[Atalya]

Or............... It was the last avenue for people not associated with the gms/staff to sell RMT and by doing this they've effectively closed all competition. Platlord I mean Derubael wins

[kaev]

Epic tinfoil there, never stop posting!

[PDX0621]

Is this really still a thing?

[kruptcy]

Is this really still a thing?

Shut up, Platlord!

[Portasaurus]

Platlord should write a book. Confessions of an RMT Kingpin. Has a nice ring to it...

In the meantime, BRING BACK CASINOS! Tunnel boredom levels are off the *charts.

WTB roll spam.

:(

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[Krazl]

It was verified that meat spin is still allowed right? I have a backpack of various meats waiting to be cooked or lost to the Grocer.

[Olscratch]

In the meantime, BRING BACK CASINOS! Tunnel boredom levels are off the *charts.

WTB roll spam.

:(

[Mac Drettj]

hey olscratch, u gonna play devnoob new velious/guild war box?

[Portasaurus]

It was verified that meat spin is still allowed right? I have a backpack of various meats waiting to be cooked or lost to the Grocer.

The meat spin game is authorized by verbal decree of GMs as it is a game of skill and is not considered to truly be gambling.

Almost all credit for this wondrous decision goes to Juntsie of Grobb, Professional Troll Lawyer, Esquire LLC who was critical in the success of this appeal (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162472).

Long story short: Juntsie is the best / Juntsie for box president 2014 / have you hugged a Juntsie today?

[Olscratch]

hey olscratch, u gonna play devnoob new velious/guild war box?

Though I love FFA, probably not after seeing what happened on his last box.

Playing/enjoying ArcheAge right now since Derubael ruined p99 for me.

[Valoril]

what about casino license? you can earn it, you can lose it, bit of work for the staff, but clean server....

This. Problem solved and everyone is happy.

Catching up on last dramas after 6 months absence.
Even if I never played in Casinos, I find it fun and it was bringing life to EC.
I had the same opinion 14 years ago on Bristlebane - a good idea and fun to watch.

On P99 it seems to be banned now but I don't buy one second the RMT pretext.
There are thousand different ways to do RMT if somone really needs platinum on short notice and 999 of them have nothing to do with Casinos.
For instance I have witnessed what I was almost sure to be RMT involving MQ and these still stay legal ...

Anyway this is just an example of "We do it because we can.", has little impact on gameplay, none on RMT, p....s off a few dozens of serious and legitimate players but ultimately nobody cares much beyond some posts on a forum :)

[orsk]

lol typical american style rulemaking, people too dumb to take care of themselves so big brother needs to step in. sad.

Dude this is actually very un-american this ban is totally against the spirit of what ever quest is as well. Its pitfalls and grinds and learning experiences. I get that the staff has the power to do as they so choose but to be so final on this and uncaring just because it could possibly help with rmt doesn't equate. I think RMT is the bigger evil here obviously. This is the same lame thinking as the account trading ban. Doesn't do shit to the scumbags who will continue to opporate and oppresses the good guys.

[nderi1977]

i have tried everything that i have found in the instructions to get this running, eq titanium unpatched, winzip files, deleting files, cant get it running, please help me, chrisbeaver_4@msn.com

[frantz256255]

i have tried everything that i have found in the instructions to get this running, eq titanium unpatched, winzip files, deleting files, cant get it running, please help me, chrisbeaver_4@msn.com

you wrote on the wront subjet man

[Kender]

maybe he's gambling that someone could help him

[baalzy]

i have tried everything that i have found in the instructions to get this running, eq titanium unpatched, winzip files, deleting files, cant get it running, please help me, chrisbeaver_4@msn.com

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28335
Use this tool.

Then download the latest spell files from here:
http://www.project1999.com/files/P99Files33.zip

Extract the file into your Everquest directory and have it replace the existing files.

Also go to the Technical Discussion sub forum in the future if you need help.

[fzzzt]

I <3 anything that takes PP out of the economy. Nilbog and I are big fans of fighting inflation.

Not classic. :P