Sullon Zek Sunday [Archive]

Tiggles

09-02-2010, 07:38 PM

Last Sunday of every the month flag the entire server for no rules pvp for 24 hours.

It won't effect raids because if you know some guild is gunning for you, You wont raid on that day!

It is in advance so people can plan and be prepared but it isnt an all the time thing so people don't get griefed. Hell if your so adverse to pvp you can not even log on!

I also think it will calm down the player base and give them an outlet to settle personal grievences and/or guild drama.

This is just a rough draft that pop'd into my mind it could be turned into 100 different things

like a +-10 lvl range
Can't attack own guild members
Coin loot only/no looting at all.
need to be 6+ to engage in pvp (no looting of lvl 5 EC trader bots)

Every week I see at least 1 pvp post a week on the boards and instead of having our devs waste devolopment/gm time making a new pvp server/guildwar mechanic make it one day a month where people can let lose and have fun.

As a long Time Sullon Zek player and a long time VZ/TZ emu player I can tell you Everquest and to a greater extent EMU servers are far from hackproof. I think it is impossible to have a full time pvp server in this game due to all the undetectible hacking that would go on. You would need a full time GM in every zone to stop that and the population suffers when hackers drive out honest players. As a monthly fun pvp day I doubt many people would take the time to compile and load up MQ features such as gm speed warp etc and would engage in a honest battle.

Anyways My name is Tiggles Von'Iggles and I support Sullon Zek Sunday!

Braveguard

09-02-2010, 08:02 PM

I have absolutely zero interest in PVP on EQ. That would cut my playtime almost in half. If I want to play PvP, I'll play a game designed for PvP.

Tiggles

09-02-2010, 08:03 PM

I have absolutely zero interest in PVP on EQ. That would cut my playtime almost in half. If I want to play PvP, I'll play a game designed for PvP.

So you only play two days a month? and one of those days is always the last sunday of the month?

Or did you not read anything and just post instead?

Braveguard

09-02-2010, 08:09 PM

Sorry... in half for that week. I had edited that and left a line out that would have clarified a bit. Not relevant anyway. I wouldn't be in favor of a PvP switch if it were only one hour a month. Arena and /duel are there for a reason. Most people don't sign up with the Priest of Discord for a reason. Zero interest here and it would tick me off if I wanted to play and PvP were turned on server-wide.

Estu

09-02-2010, 08:18 PM

Yeah, not into it, not even with the given restrictions. I'd be fine with the devs releasing a PVP server, as this server is arguably getting a little crowded in proportion to the amount of content released (although, I'd be interested in seeing some numbers for what populations classic live servers had), as long as it didn't make GMs and devs unavailable to help the main server to a reasonable extent, but it seems like there isn't enough staff to make that work right now. Never been a PVP guy for EQ anyway.

Izzni

09-02-2010, 08:24 PM

PvP brings cheaters. Cheaters make servers die.

More importantly, I'm guessing the reason you want a forced PvP day is so that you can grief people who don't want to PvP, otherwise why would you need server support? Just tell everyone to turn their book in on that day.

dlunas

09-02-2010, 08:34 PM

I played Vallon Zek pvp from classic til they merged the servers into "Zek". No thanks :P

Sarkov

09-02-2010, 08:37 PM

What *would* be fun is a "rollback day" where mass pvp was enabled, mobs everywhere dropped insane god loot, etc etc. Then at 12:01am it rolls back 24 hours.

Last day before Kunark anyone?...

Cykubis

09-02-2010, 09:27 PM

I too played Rallos for several years and Sullon for a few months when it first opened and will have to go with the rest of the replies here and say that the idea is pretty bad.

It's not that pvp created some terrible environment or anything like that, I actually quite enjoyed the player base of Rallos and even Sullon before MQ became widespread. If you want a taste of what pvp is now in EQ, feel free to pay for a month of live and log into Zek (If the server even exists, last I heard a few months ago, they were looking to merge it into another blue server). No one gets into a pvp conflict without a massive rage about who is using hacks regardless if anyone is even doing so. I remember a guy putting it rather eloquently in general chat on Zek once, "Using hacks means that you won the fight".

To say that this would reduce stress is laughable, far too many people take this game too seriously for that to be true. Did you seriously have more than a handful of people you pk give you some sort of positive response? Don't get me wrong, I saw a small minority of people act like grown ups and be cool about it - most everyone else reverted to derogatory statements, in game threats to log on their alts or even quite a few death threats, for myself and most of the people I knew that would actively pvp, this was a big part of the fun. You know as well as I, or anyone else who played pvp, that pvp was the single largest reason for drama on these servers. Personally, I loved it - the vast majority of the server that doesn't have a character on tz/vz will probably hate it and I know the GMs handling the crying petitions will hate it.

I really can't think of a single compelling reason that this should be added.

I guess when it comes down to it, the single, most stand out reason against this is the fact that it is really in no way classic. We already have arenas, we have duels, we have consensual pvp. There is no reason to implement a feature that existed on special rule set (and lowest populated) servers.

PS. I think your bashin' iggles friends accounted for a good 10-15% of my enchanter on Sullon's experience from me memblurring their mobs and KSing them whenever they'd come in with their stupid "Iggles Iggles Iggles" mantra.

mgellan

09-02-2010, 09:46 PM

Fuck no. Next question.

Regards,
Mg

Comfortably

09-02-2010, 10:13 PM

Played Rallos from its release till about Ldon. You claim you see a new post about pvp every week. Solution A. Write down the names of people you see who are pro pvp, schedule date, turn in book, have a field day. Hell i'd even join you. But no way will you ever get support via a concept that involves the WHOLE server being flagged.

Although, the idea about the 24 hour rollback before Kunark, that sounds like a blast.

yt2005

09-02-2010, 10:15 PM

This is not a fucking pvp server, get this idea out of your head guys.

I mean, I'm not saying I necessarily like or dislike the idea, but the reality is that any kind of forced PvP isn't happening, period.

PhelanKA

09-02-2010, 10:23 PM

I mean, I'm not saying I necessarily like or dislike the idea, but the reality is that any kind of forced PvP isn't happening, period.

I think that's the main thing that people don't realize. Any sort of PVP that is compulsory is out of bounds and just absolutely not happening. I think this owes to the possibility of bringing /guildwar into the realm of discussion but nothing further.

Anyone with experience from a non-pvp server that knows how /guildwars generally went down? I played on RZ so I have no clue tbh.

Tiggles

09-02-2010, 10:45 PM

Sorry, I was unaware that everyone was so afraid of pvp. Continue on poopsocking and complaining about camp stealers.

Tork

09-02-2010, 10:50 PM

It has nothing to do with being afraid of PvP - it's (mostly) preferring PvE, and (somewhat) disliking the PvP crowd who think preferring PvE makes you afraid of PvP.

Dislike doesn't preclude being afraid, nor vice versa, of course - but not in this instance.

At least that's the case with me.

PhelanKA

09-02-2010, 11:03 PM

Sorry, I was unaware that everyone was so afraid of pvp. Continue on poopsocking and complaining about camp stealers.

I don't think anyone in their sane mind on P1999 would appreciate compulsory EQ PVP being thrown on them. Trust me when I say that on Rallos Zek and I imagine especially on Sullon Zek that you got into certain habits by the time you were 50. A bunch of high level folks runnin around with not a fucking clue what they're doing is a recipe for disaster of near natural proportions. And I don't even think anyone that played on a PVP server back in the day would be comfortable under the Sullon Zek ruleset.

Izzni

09-02-2010, 11:11 PM

Sorry, I was unaware that everyone hates being greifed.

Fixed?

oldhead

09-02-2010, 11:17 PM

No.. how about you ask them to make a classic pvp server... And see how populated it doesnt get.

PS.. I used to play on SZ a bit.

jyaku

09-02-2010, 11:24 PM

making everybody PVP is a bad idea, PVP should be a choice. if you where on a PVP server during live you made that choice

nalkin

09-02-2010, 11:48 PM

I like the idea. Its only 1 day a month, nothing crazy but it spices things up. People can afford to not play 1 day out of the month, plus the name has a catchy title. +1 vote from Nalkin

Kirdan

09-03-2010, 03:27 AM

SZ was definitely the best ~2 yrs of EQ for me. As much as I'd love to relive it, I don't think it's going to happen. There just aren't enough people like us that want it. If you didn't cheat, SZ was a masochist's version of a masochist's game.

liveitup1216

09-03-2010, 03:33 AM

Long live team neutral! Long live Tides of Wrath! You sir have my vote.

minhjn

09-03-2010, 03:48 AM

Fuck no. Next question.

Regards,
Mg

Braveguard

09-03-2010, 07:31 AM

Sorry, I was unaware that it's stupid to play PvP in a game designed for PvE.

Fixed

If you want PvP, go play Call of Duty or something. There are lots of games designed for PvP out there.

Tiggles

09-03-2010, 09:23 AM

I think that a large portion of the big guilds members would like this idea maybe to pacify some of the more vocal casual supports of non pvp we can make it so its only lvl 50 on 50!

What level are you braveguard?

Also wtf?

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Crash

09-03-2010, 09:48 AM

No thanks.

Messianic

09-03-2010, 10:23 AM

I also think it will calm down the player base and give them an outlet to settle personal grievences and/or guild drama.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

Or add more fuel to any grievances and up the stakes of said conflicts...

OngorDrakan

09-03-2010, 10:29 AM

I think people should just start lvl 1's or similar and be pvp themselves.

Extunarian

09-03-2010, 10:31 AM

I think Rogean is on the right track with the guildwar thing. This...not so much.

rockhopper

09-03-2010, 10:34 AM

No thank you.

However, if someone (hint OP) took the effort to make a decent (ie, with quality to match P1999's) SZ-type server I would play on it.

As anything in life: if you want it so badly, get to work.

yt2005

09-03-2010, 10:45 AM

Why are we still discussing something that really has no chance of happening? Seriously, if any idea involves forced PvP, it will be shot down.

Reposting the quote from before:
This is not a fucking pvp server, get this idea out of your head guys.

...and a new one (different thread):
Obviously this is not a pvp server and pvp solutions are pointless to post here

If you guys still think that somehow your idea can transcend that reality... whether you believe your idea is just so incredibly wonderful that it will simultaneously solve every issue that forced PvP brings and make this server a million better in the process, or even if you just think your idea is simply a worthwhile addition, directly ask Rogean what the odds are of any kind of forced PvP happening.

I mean, I can't speak for him, but I'm going to make an educated guess that the answer is 0%. Sullon Zek Sunday will not happen. You think you'll be able to drum up lots of support for the idea? It won't matter; even if you do, it will not be implemented.

Now, despite the first line of this post, you can of course keep discussing it. You might as well keep your mentality realistic, though; discuss it as something that you realize will remain only a dream, as far as this server is concerned.

Or, you can tweak your idea so it's not forced; for example, anyone that turns in their book only becomes red on Sunday. Sure, it's far from what you had in mind, but at least it's possible. Work with what you have!

Bigcountry23

09-03-2010, 11:05 AM

You want PVP, go play on a PVP server. NEXT!

Tallenn

09-03-2010, 11:21 AM

How hard is it actually to switch between red and blue? Honestly, I've never cared, so I truly don't know, that's why I'm asking.

If it's not that huge of a deal, how about all the people that want to PvP get together and decide on a day, however often they see fit, all change to red for however long seems approriate, then change back when their PvP fun is done? If you truly don't want to just grief people that don't want to PvP in the first place, this should be more than satisfactory.

If it's really difficult to switch, then perhaps a dev could look into a way to make it somewhat easier? I don't think anyone would have a problem with this, as long as it doesn't take too much of the dev's time.

Fearghus

09-03-2010, 11:26 AM

http://emu.pwned.com/ <-- there ya go fella.

Tiggles

09-03-2010, 11:29 AM

ok guys how about this?

Mith Marr Monday. Last mondday of the month where items have a 25% increased drop rate in dungeons and a 50% xp bonus for one day?

But in order to have Mith Marr Monday we have to have Sullon Zek Sunday.

Is your urge to camp loot greater then your fear of pvp?

I think thats a happy medium

Izzni

09-03-2010, 11:43 AM

Is your urge to camp loot greater then your fear of pvp?

You taunting everyone by saying we fear PvP makes me think you the exact kind of fucker that greifs and would make Sullon Zek Sunday = Easy Server Sunday.

Tallenn

09-03-2010, 12:48 PM

Messianic

09-03-2010, 01:08 PM

Apparently not desiring to be forced into PvP = afraid of PvP.

Interesting.

Cykubis

09-03-2010, 05:27 PM

Hey and after Mith Marr Monday, we can have Terrible Idea Tuesday in which you can come up with more dumb shit that's not happening.

mark1178

09-03-2010, 05:52 PM

I personally love pvp. I was on Vallon ever since it opened up. When the PVP merged into one and the rules changed, it was pure garbage. Ganking, zone/corpse camping, me killing healers during LDoN raids if they were halflings or gnomes (little people make me angry).

The merging of the servers brought out every little idiot with every hack and cheat because there were too many people for the GM's to handle, and most of the time it seemed like they didn't even care. Lord knows how many petitions I sent out because I saw a shadowknight moving faster than he should without a bard and or SoW.

On private servers on a few games that Ive played (mainly WoW...only played because I was made an admin there and I could ban people, which was fun, but only when they deserved it...not as fun but still), pvp will eventually have hackers, most of the time it's pretty easy to catch them, but there are those who dont get caught.

It would be best to make a server that's dedicated to PVP, because the people who are hardcore blubies (points and laughs) might not know a thing about PVP and get dominated by someone (like me...whenever I decide to get past lvl 3 and get all the rogue, sk and shammy gear...go darkies).

What makes it worse is that I hate bards in pvp, they take forever to kill you and you can almost not touch them if you're a pure melee toon. ive only killed 2 bards, one was afk and I was drunk, the other I caught offguard and it seems like he didnt know what he was doing...and I was drunk.

Rum is my Spinach.

Tiggles

09-03-2010, 06:28 PM

Hey and after Mith Marr Monday, we can have Terrible Idea Tuesday in which you can come up with more dumb shit that's not happening.

After that we can have Suck my -Edit- Saturday.

yt2005

09-03-2010, 06:50 PM

OK guys how about this?
(another suggestion which involves forced PvP)

You're really not getting this, are you? No matter how awesome your idea sounds, if it involves forced PvP it's not happening.

I'm not trying to ruin your fun or say that you shouldn't want it or even imply that it's a bad idea, just saying that it will not happen because it involves some form of forced PvP.

Move on.

Tiggles

09-03-2010, 06:55 PM

You're really not getting this, are you? No matter how awesome your idea sounds, if it involves forced PvP it's not happening.

I'm not trying to ruin your fun or say that you shouldn't want it or even imply that it's a bad idea, just saying that it will not happen because it involves some form of forced PvP.

Move on.

How about we set up a few zones around the world as the pvp hotspot? during the day.

Places that are not really thoroughfare zones but are not out of the way useless zones like the arena.

Tork

09-03-2010, 07:06 PM

You mean otherwise highly desirable places so you can have a large population to victimize with potentially unwanted PvP shenanigans?

Just like since page 1 of this thread - sounds awesome.

Or maybe the opposite of that.

Tiggles

09-03-2010, 07:11 PM

liveitup1216

09-03-2010, 07:22 PM

Tiggles

09-03-2010, 07:41 PM

sigh, atleast its fun to remember the days where instead of crying on a forum about a raid target, you just destroyed the opposing guild and hope to take it, or nobody would get it.

made raids a hell of a lot more rewarding.

Most of this servers pvp experience comes from logging on to a pvp server as a joke getting killed then raging becuse there micromanaging faux elitist mind cant handle being killed.

Bluebie pvp is battling on forums and pretending to be millionaire doctors lawyers etc to try and feel better about themselves at the expense of others. With the exception of my last posts I have been open to ideas and criticism but as you can see the mith marr forum warriors attack me and my ideas with cruel insults and taunts. People say that pvp players are the immature ones.

Tronjer

09-03-2010, 07:58 PM

If you want pvp, arrange an arena event for everybody interested in participating, but I don't see why it should get enforced to the rest.

I have a simple formula: pvp = no xp, no loot, no progression = don't bother.

Harrison

09-03-2010, 08:07 PM

Most of this servers pvp experience comes from logging on to a pvp server as a joke getting killed then raging becuse there micromanaging faux elitist mind cant handle being killed.

Bluebie pvp is battling on forums and pretending to be millionaire doctors lawyers etc to try and feel better about themselves at the expense of others. With the exception of my last posts I have been open to ideas and criticism but as you can see the mith marr forum warriors attack me and my ideas with cruel insults and taunts. People say that pvp players are the immature ones.

PVP players have a false sense of superiority over "bluebies". They are generally terrible, terrible, players with the worst personalities imaginable.

I wish VZ/TZ was still running so you terrible players would go there.

liveitup1216

09-03-2010, 09:11 PM

there's no possible argument to say that bluebie raiders are more talented than pvp raiders, pvper's accomplish the same task with the threat of other players.

sure we're more depraved and get jollies off ruining someone else's day, but we also do the same content you do, while being on the receiving end of someone else's depravity.

so yeah, people who pvp AND do raid content are superior, period.

Harrison

09-03-2010, 09:21 PM

If that's what you want to believe, go for it.

There is no place for PVP in EQ besides fun. It is terribly imbalanced. Itemization is not designed with it in mind. etc. etc. So being "good" at something that is broken, is moot. It's a monumental farce on real pvp.

How many times do we have to say it?

YendorLootmonkey

09-03-2010, 09:40 PM

so yeah, people who pvp AND do raid content are superior, period.

I have a job and I like to come home and relax and play a little EQ. It's difficult enough to get a group and find a XP spot or get a loot camp as it is, without the extra concern of some MQ-using cheater ganking me or the group's healer at an inopportune moment. Or finally getting to raid Fear and spending a bunch of time on the break-in, only to have it ruined by another guild running in and beating the shit out of us and then corpse-camping us. Not my idea of how I would like to spend my time each night, sorry. Does that make me a lesser player? If you say so.

I WOULD JUST PREFER NOT TO SHIT MY PANTS, MOUSELOOK AROUND FRANTICALLY, AND RUN FOR THE ZONE EVERY TIME I ACCIDENTALLY NUKE MYSELF. Is that so wrong?

liveitup1216

09-03-2010, 10:23 PM

I WOULD JUST PREFER NOT TO SHIT MY PANTS, MOUSELOOK AROUND FRANTICALLY, AND RUN FOR THE ZONE EVERY TIME I ACCIDENTALLY NUKE MYSELF. Is that so wrong?

hahahah its not wrong at all, and i dont blame anybody for not wanting to play like that, im just saying sometimes i do miss it, it was alot more intense, far more challenging, and far more rewarding. do i see it happening here? not at all. i myself dont even have the time it takes to invest in a server like that.

but i can promise you even the smallest victories in that environment trump anything you'll ever accomplish on this server or live. (in regards to the personal "fuck yes" feeling you get)

im just saying to the people going wah wah it was turrible, wahwah any blue guild would have wrecked it if they felt like going there, i call complete and utter bullshit. i just love this thread because its like nostaliga within nostalgia.

Harrison

09-03-2010, 10:25 PM

hahahah its not wrong at all, and i dont blame anybody for not wanting to play like that, im just saying sometimes i do miss it, it was alot more intense, far more challenging, and far more rewarding. do i see it happening here? not at all. i myself dont even have the time it takes to invest in a server like that.

but i can promise you even the smallest victories in that environment trump anything you'll ever accomplish on this server or live. (in regards to the personal "fuck yes" feeling you get)

im just saying to the people going wah wah it was turrible, wahwah any blue guild would have wrecked it if they felt like going there, i call complete and utter bullshit. i just love this thread because its like nostaliga within nostalgia.

Actually, this exact thing happened on SZ. I'll let you do the research so you can come to the realization that you are 100% wrong by yourself.

Tork

09-03-2010, 10:27 PM

I think the part about the worst possible personalities is spot on as to why I'm not a fan of EQ PvP - and that comes from someone who was in a guild full of loot whores, drama queens and raging a-type aholes.

Tork

09-03-2010, 10:29 PM

Lol Harrison - you beat me to it, I was going to post the exact same thing!

Toomuch

09-04-2010, 01:48 AM

I'd be 100% in support of some sort of good pvp solution that ISN'T VZ/TZ server and ISN'T forced pvp. Dueling is retarded, and arena is lame and stupidly out-of-the-way impractical. The Guild-War feature might have some solid potential however.

I as well had the best time I've ever had on any MMO playing on Sullon Zek, on the smallest/worst team, fewest zones "owned" with the biggest challenges to overcome. It was a blast. It was SUPER hard, a REAL challenge. But overcoming the odds and accomplishing already tough things like epics or taking down a tough raid mob despite actual intelligent player based resistance... just awesome.

im just saying sometimes i do miss it, it was alot more intense, far more challenging, and far more rewarding.... ...but i can promise you even the smallest victories in that environment trump anything you'll ever accomplish on this server or live. (in regards to the personal "fuck yes" feeling you get)

100% agree with this part of your post... but sadly I feel this is all wishful thinking. Hell I'd even volunteer part time as a guide or something if it'd help. My time on Sullon has forever inspired a deep hatred for the combination of hacks and pvp, so the hammer would come down quick and hard, but I'd be as fair as any guide would ever be. Sadly I have nowhere near the knowledge (or time to invest in learning) to start running something like this myself, but I'd be all about helping if it becomes possible.

reba

09-04-2010, 02:31 PM

i like it

Malrubius

09-04-2010, 02:42 PM

Why isn't this thread in R&F yet?

liveitup1216

09-04-2010, 03:34 PM

because it's been mostly friendly banter, besides the occasional raaaaaaaageiwanacampstuffnopvplawls.

Kastro

09-04-2010, 03:52 PM

Lord knows how many petitions I sent out because I saw a shadowknight moving faster than he should without a bard and or SoW.

.

AA Horse for the WIN.

Also as far as PVP goes I think p99 is hopeless.. Most PVpers do not have the attention span for such slow leveling...

A good PVP event would be like lets say the Halloween Event from I think it was 2001 in EK... Just make it PVP enabled.. and do it for lets say 6 hours every last sunday of the month... Unique loot.. Lots of mobs to fight over.. lots of cool loot... and it is not mandatory to take part... But if you want some of the cool loot you will be PVP flagged in that zone... no level restrictions.. ALL/ALL PVP on. Think it would be fun... Just make it a different zone every time... and just use old GM even loot from back in the day as rewards...( on the Boss mobs)

Japan

09-04-2010, 03:59 PM

what a terrible idea.

Ponden

09-04-2010, 04:20 PM

Go play VZ/TZ for PvP.

azxten

09-04-2010, 04:35 PM

Go play VZ/TZ for PvP.

As has been mentioned over and over again VZ/TZ is corrupt. The GMs there help their own guilds, etc. It's a complete mess. I fucking HATE when people try to use VZ/TZ and its unpopularity as a reason why PvP isn't popular or needed.

Imagine of Rogean was handing out items to people of a specific guild, summoning people in other guilds to their deaths, etc. No one would be playing P99 either if that was the case.