Tome of Discord Democratic Revolution, Class C?

[holsteinrx7]

red scare!!

so today i see all these BDA's that are red for funsies this week.

i always fantasized about a eq server that everyone decided to "turn it red" by turning in the books until if you didnt you wouldnt be able to get buffs and groups.

even tho thats a near impossiblity, do you guys think that class C should be red so they have to fight for spawns? :eek: would be epic. would be cooler than COTH FTE luls.

[Kekephee]

It would be a lot more competitive wouldn't it

[holsteinrx7]

yes. the class c guilds going red would make them a lot more competitive than COTH FTE nerd pillowfight.

[Kergan]

i always fantasized about a eq server that everyone decided to "turn it red"

That exists already. It's called R99.

[Oleris]

It's all fun and games as multiple red guilds fight over a spawn and a non PVP guild walks in and takes the kill :)

[FatMice]

It's all fun and games as multiple red guilds fight over a spawn and a non PVP guild walks in and takes the kill :)

Lol'd.

[holsteinrx7]

the gms do enforce the raid rules well.

non pvp guilds would, in this case, be on rotation. only class C guilds would "compete" for class C spawns.

i just dont get how poopsocking right next to eachother for hours on end and COTH into FTE call is considered "competitive", or anything more than boring and nerdy. its more like who is most alert at that given moment gets lucky. at least theyll have something fun to do while they are poopsocking.

why shouldnt class C guilds compete in combat for high raid targets?

they can always turn in a book of discord and revert back to nonpvp as needed.

i have thought for many years that the tome of discord has a special place in EQ and is probably the least utilized tool in the entire game.

the class C guilds do seem more Red oriented, and i do think this would make the server more interesting, with more structured and tiered raiding, and give guilds something to look forward to and work for.

i for one would LOVE to see this on p99. especially with the whole red's dead and blue's boring stigmas.

[Rooj]

I never understood why redders didn't just do this to begin with instead of starting over from scratch on a small population server. Like why did no one ever make actual PVP required guilds on blue? Not even one? (obviously you'd need at least 2!)

Maybe if someone made a detailed post about how all of it works (including how to go red and go back to blue, etc etc) people who don't normally PVP could get interested.

[Glasken]

Hitting a raid target? Cant be damaged or agroed unless by PVP tagged player. Bam, spice up the largely stagnant raid scene on blue.

[Herp]

I guess if I was in a guild that hasn't reached the final zone of an expansion after 4 years, I'd probably flag myself for pvp too.

[Swish]

That exists already. It's called R99.

Pretty much /thread, right there.

As fun as it would be to see on blue you can't make it happen - and if you're already winning in Class C, why would you care for this?

[Swish]

Also quite hypocritical from the OP, who posts up in any red threads full of hate for it...

http://i.imgur.com/WM3sU9p.gif

[Nirgon]

PvP code has a ways to go but the right guy on it

[Glenzig]

They don't want that type of competition. There would be no weeks long forum court after each spawn. Blue lawyers have to get paid. Turn class C guilds red and they would lose that retainer.

[Daldaen]

PvP in EQ is mostly based on luck. Who has worse luck on resists/misses and who doesn't.

Also in this case it would just be a numbers game, and very dumb.

Turning in time has it's novelty for about a day, until you realize how horrible PvP is in EQ.

[iruinedyourday]

PvP in EQ is mostly based on luck. Who has worse luck on resists/misses and who doesn't.

Also in this case it would just be a numbers game, and very dumb.

Turning in time has it's novelty for about a day, until you realize how horrible PvP is in EQ.

Nah not in 40 v 40 fights, which the thread is about.

[Daldaen]

Then it will come down to who has more of the OP classes and less of the useless ones.

PvP in EQ is still horrible and based on RNG. You want competition that is based on strategy and skill, not a series of dice rolls, you've come to the wrong game. Might I suggest Starcraft instead?

[holsteinrx7]

I believe that class c has by definition entered vp and seen the end of the game. That's why them going red makes sense, and would be fun.

Class r guilds would remain blue, as they're not at the games limits.

It makes sense and I'm glad a few people agree.

Let's keep this going and maybe there will be some more endgame on blue 99.

[Daldaen]

Or they could continue testing beta and get real classic endgame that the game was designed for.

[Colgate]

pvp code on blue is horrendous

[rubicaant]

I guess if I was in a guild that hasn't reached the final zone of an expansion after 4 years, I'd probably flag myself for pvp too.

Apply ointment directly to BURN!!!

[holsteinrx7]

This isn't about what top class c guild wants, that red exists, or the fact that I trash talk red server in hopes of a wipe.

This is about implementing a class competitive and free for all that's more than poopsocking into coth and fte's, which is totally bullshit.

Compare that to utilizing the tomes of discord for class c and I thnk there's no comparison.

If you disagree with this and still admit the raiding scene is like highschool, then I challenge you to come up with a better solution. I believe this is exactly what the high end scene requires, especially after four years of kunark.

If you want the current raid system after four years, I feel bad for you.

[Kergan]

pvp code on blue is horrendous

Naw, resistable dispels and unresistable stuns + 10 second tstaff procs is totally legit.

[skipdog]

I guess if I was in a guild that hasn't reached the final zone of an expansion after 4 years, I'd probably flag myself for pvp too.

rofl wow