cani>click>cani>click

[iruinedyourday]

Hi, so I made a shaman! I just tried out using my batskull earring (the click grim aura) with cani, so i can chain cast cani.. but when I use the clicky, it refreshes the GCD on every spell except Cani.

So i cannot cani/click/cani :(

wut?

my friend just did it right in front of me with his 60 shaman - using cani 1 to test it, and it worked!

Is there like a level restriction? wut?

My sham is a barb level 24+ :(

sadface.

[Furniture]

You need to alternate with another canni spell

Canni 1, clickie, canni 2, clickie, canni 1, etc......


It only effects the global cooldown between casting different spells and not the cooldown for the individual spell

[iruinedyourday]

my friend just did it in front of me spamming cani1 only though.

[Daldaen]

Put Canni 1 in top slot. It may work then... Not sure if it bugs out in top slot or not.

[Thulack]

Put Canni 1 in top slot. It may work then... Not sure if it bugs out in top slot or not.

/nod you can do it if the spell is in the first slot.

[Estu]

Put Canni 1 in top slot. It may work then... Not sure if it bugs out in top slot or not.

Whoa, didn't know that. Crazy!

[Lojik]

Whoa, didn't know that. Crazy!

You can do it if it's in the top slot, but you still need to wait like 1/4 of a second. You can circumvent the GCD for starting spells, but you still need to meet the requirement by the time the spell ends.

[mgellan]

For a cheap clicky item you can use indoors get a tinkered Spyglass, effect Telescope. Cheaper than an invis to animals ring thats otherwise useless! Normally I use my clicky SOW boots but doesn't work indoors.

BTW that sig is epic Lojik :)

Regards,
Mg

[iruinedyourday]

Wow ok so that is it! If Cani is in Slot 1 - you can cani/click/cani/click till you are dead without anything stopping you!

But slot 2 ( i did not try other slots) it does not work, it will not refresh on click.

Wut?! I don't know why.

Odd thing is, I always have Stun on my enchanter in slot 1 - and (fortunately/unfortunately) clicking something will refresh the stun gem, but you will not be able to cast stun until the cool down time completes (it says this spell has not met its something or other, if you try).

Ok, so those are my stories! Thanks!

[quido]

sounds like an exploit

[iruinedyourday]

all the good shit is an exploit.

[Synthlol]

It's very simple.

#1 Using a instant click effect after casting a spell refreshes the global cooldown for the other 7 spell gems if the spell you casted was not cast from the first spell gem.

#2 Using a clickable effect after casting a spell refreshes the global cooldown for all 8 spell gems if the spell was cast from the first spell gem.

#3 Using an instant click effect also always refreshes the recast cooldown on the first spell gem. The recast delay must be met by the time the spellcast finishes for it to fire.

Rule #3 is useful for druids, who have many buff and port spells with a cast time longer than their recast delay. I have not been able to find many useful applications of this rule for clerics or necromancers.

[Korben]

You can always just use your highest canni in slot 1, click your clicky after it casts, wait like 2/3 second and cast again.

Biggest issue I found here is if you try to do it too quickly, you don't meet the recast delay of it so you just wasted 1/2 second plus cast time, plus time it takes you to realize that you now can cast the next one instantly(because by now recast delay is more than gone), and get back on to cycling slot 1.

Personally though I always prefer to have Canni 2 and Canni 3 on my bar, and a macro that is /cast 5 /cast 6 bound to my 5 key. I just hit earring after that so I'm only hitting 2 keys and don't have to watch/time recast delay on slot 1...

Which leaves slot 1 open for root because fuck there's been a lot of times that shit has saved my ass being able to spam root with no delay.

Now that I think about it though, I wonder if slow could go in slot 1 because the recast after a resist is like stupidly longer than I personally feel it should be.

[jcr4990]

While we're on this subject. Is it possible to top slot Canni 3 and fire off 2 of them between a single med tick? Also should you be starting your first canni after the +20 mana tick or the -1 mana tick? I've never been clear on that. I was told the -1 mana tick is the tick that syncs with the server and you should canni after that one. But I've always done it after the ~20 mana uptick and it seems to work fine /confused

[Nirgon]

sounds like an exploit

Sounds like all the spell slots need to work like this sir

Shit be classic

[Daldaen]

Sounds like all the spell slots need to work like this sir

Shit be classic

I think the verdict is still out on this.

Did Insta Clicky recharge remove the global recharge (2s) and leave the base spell recast?
Did it remove both?

I'd tend to say it should leave the base recast. If it were removing both wouldn't a wiz be able to chain harvest for example? I doubt it would remove the recast on normal spells but leave long durations in effected. And if it were insta Recharging DA or Harvest it would've been fixed sooner I think.

So yea, slot 1 removing base recast is an exploit I'm guessing.

[Nirgon]

I could recast any of my spells aside from things like harvest or ice spear of solist by jboot/tempflux refreshing on live. This I am sure of.

One thing I'm hazy on is if the item actually had to process its ability to grant the recast. I seem to remember that jboots indoors, for example, would refresh my spell gems. I'm not sure on that part.

[Daldaen]

I would be highly skeptical that harvest was instant recharged with this... that seems way OP. That would render Manna Robe / Epic irrelevant.

[Zulen]

I experimented with it for a few min.

1) Gem slot 1 is important for spamming abilities. It wont refresh that Skill itself if its not in slot 1
2) Cast time must be greater than GCD
3) Cast time must be greater than Cooldown to work instantly. OR you must wait and time it so you finish the cast after the cooldown would expire (Example. Druid AoE 4.5s cast 6s CD. I have to wait 1.5s after i refresh the gem to begin casting the nuke so it goes off after its cooldown)

It probably works on any skill, but at best it can remove its cast time from the cooldown (So Harvest would become a 9:50s Cd if you hit it exactly at that time)

[Wrench]

So Harvest would become a 9:50s Cd if you hit it exactly at that time

that seems way OP

[Jimjam]

If you put harvest in slot one and press an instaclick although the gem looks like you can insta recast if you try it you get a message saying the spell isn't ready yet.

Not sure if I might have tested it wrong?

[Daldaen]

You tested it correctly, thats how it works on this server.

However the way I read Nirgon's post, he was claiming you could chain fire it I think... I highly doubt that live servers included the "spell isn't ready yet" bug.

[Raev]

Well if Enchanters can use global clickies to reset theft of thought, we might as well all go home now.

[Korben]

Well if Enchanters can use global clickies to reset theft of thought, we might as well all go home now.

People are grossly misinterpreting this mechanic.

The spell recast(recharge/cooldown) time is never circumvented or shortened.

The only thing that is shortened by this is the global cooldown aka recast delay between spells. About 1.5 seconds of wait time.

It's how a shaman can spam their highest 2 cannibalize spells, but not talisman etc that have a lengthy recast.

[Byrjun]

Protip: You can chain cast Canni 4 with no delay.

wtb Velious.

[Raev]

People are grossly misinterpreting this mechanic.

No, you are grossly misinterpreting my post, which was replying to Daldaen's suggestion that in true classic EverQuest you should be able to have one spell ignore the cooldown via a clicky.

[Korben]

No, you are grossly misinterpreting my post, which was replying to Daldaen's suggestion that in true classic EverQuest you should be able to have one spell ignore the cooldown via a clicky.

Well maybe there's that. Didn't know you were responding specifically to him and being sarcastic about it since no quote. Just figured a general response.

Poop.

[iruinedyourday]

Spell slot 1 info:

Spell in slot one has a 5 second Cool down 4 second cast.

Cast 1.

Click.

Pause 1 second.

Recast.

4 second cast time..

..spell fires at 5.01 seconds after first cast & succeeds.

If you did not pause 1 second spell would fire while the spell was "cooling down" and would not meet cool Dow requirements.

Without this slot 1 trick the 5 second cool down 4 second cast would require 9 seconds to fire twice.

You effectively are able to cast the spell every 5.01 seconds instead.

Hope that's clear!

[Daldaen]

Well if Enchanters can use global clickies to reset theft of thought, we might as well all go home now.

Or wizard harvest, or cleric DA, or any other spell that was balanced with a very long recast time.

Can you imagine being able to Chain ToT and chain dictate...

I think it's pretty clear this mechanic was not OP enough to remove the recast time of the spell itself, just the global recast time.

The slot 1 bug needs to get fixed. Allowing chain Canni or what have you is broken (just not nearly as broken as the spells listed above).

[iruinedyourday]

Or wizard harvest, or cleric DA, or any other spell that was balanced with a very long recast time.

Can you imagine being able to Chain ToT and chain dictate...

I think it's pretty clear this mechanic was not OP enough to remove the recast time of the spell itself, just the global recast time.

The slot 1 bug needs to get fixed. Allowing chain Canni or what have you is broken (just not nearly as broken as the spells listed above).

yea but was it broken in classic?

oooo...

[Daldaen]

yea but was it broken in classic?

oooo...

Something of that level of power needs proof in the affirmative. (I've looked and couldn't find any) Until then, logic and the clearly not brokenly OP mechanic should be implemented.

[iruinedyourday]

Something of that level of power needs proof in the affirmative. (I've looked and couldn't find any) Until then, logic and the clearly not brokenly OP mechanic should be implemented.

crap :mad:

[Technique]

One thing I'm hazy on is if the item actually had to process its ability to grant the recast. I seem to remember that jboots indoors, for example, would refresh my spell gems. I'm not sure on that part.From that RZ screenshot archive (http://facultas.50megs.com/): druid using jboots indoors to reset GCD.

http://i.imgur.com/itxakfV.jpg (http://facultas.50megs.com/cgi-bin/i/MIM/Hesikih01.jpg)

There are more if anyone wants to dig them up.

[Daldaen]

From that RZ screenshot archive (http://facultas.50megs.com/): druid using jboots indoors to reset GCD.

http://i.imgur.com/itxakfV.jpg (http://facultas.50megs.com/cgi-bin/i/MIM/Hesikih01.jpg)

There are more if anyone wants to dig them up.

That UI has me so immersed. I get misty eyed thinking of the day that UI will be required to play on this server.

[Nirgon]

bump for attempting to use an insta clicky should always refresh all spell gems (not just the top slot)

ie: jboot indoors

Also there's a bug with top slotted spell gems, if you use something with a very long cool down it will show that it is ready before you can cast it. Desired effect should be fix this bug with the top slot, then make all the spell gems work like it when an instant clicky is used.

glhf

[iruinedyourday]

That UI has me so immersed. I get misty eyed thinking of the day that UI will be required to play on this server.

Do you watch dualentity (http://www.twitch.tv/dualentity) stream? she has classic ui and it is awesome

[Gustoo]

Is she playing on blue99? I haven't seen full classic UI with good implementation? Is she just playing in tiny box?

[iruinedyourday]

Is she playing on blue99? I haven't seen full classic UI with good implementation? Is she just playing in tiny box?

you mised it, she quit EQ :( but she was playing on Blue.

[fishingme]

wait so you folks are saying that I got my shaman to 60 and i never knew there was a cooldown on cannibalize?