Demand the Truth

[indiscriminate_hater]

Put down your crack pipes and your beer bongs and listen up

http://www.voicesofliberty.com/audio/exposing-the-truth-of-the-911-commission-report/

OK now u can blz it

[paulgiamatti]

Human beings are pattern-seeking mammals, which is a very good thing about us. However, this can lead oftentimes lead to people preferring a conspiracy theory over no theory at all; a very bad thing about us.

This is why the conspiracies surrounding 9/11 continually baffle me. There was never a question as to what happened - every reasonable person knew right away what we were dealing with here. Everyone knew immediately that this was the result of Islamic fundamentalists backed by theocratic Saddamist fascism. There wasn't even a whiff of a thought leading to anything else, save by a few stoners like Michael Moore and his legion of brain-dead followers.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Human beings are pattern-seeking mammals, which is a very good thing about us. However, this can lead oftentimes lead to people preferring a conspiracy theory over no theory at all; a very bad thing about us.

This is why the conspiracies surrounding 9/11 continually baffle me. There was never a question as to what happened - every reasonable person knew right away what we were dealing with here. Everyone knew immediately that this was the result of Islamic fundamentalists backed by theocratic Saddamist fascism. There wasn't even a whiff of a thought leading to anything else, save by a few stoners like Michael Moore and his legion of brain-dead followers.

So you have the answers to...

At what temperature does jet fuel burn? What temperature is the melting point in the steel used to construct the towers.

Explain tower 7?

[G13]

Human beings are pattern-seeking mammals, which is a very good thing about us. However, this can lead oftentimes lead to people preferring a conspiracy theory over no theory at all; a very bad thing about us.

This is why the conspiracies surrounding 9/11 continually baffle me. There was never a question as to what happened - every reasonable person knew right away what we were dealing with here. Everyone knew immediately that this was the result of Islamic fundamentalists backed by theocratic Saddamist fascism. There wasn't even a whiff of a thought leading to anything else, save by a few stoners like Michael Moore and his legion of brain-dead followers.

Then how do you explain all the predictive programming in cartoons, movies and TV shows leading up to 9/11

[Glenzig]

Human beings are pattern-seeking mammals, which is a very good thing about us. However, this can lead oftentimes lead to people preferring a conspiracy theory over no theory at all; a very bad thing about us.

This is why the conspiracies surrounding 9/11 continually baffle me. There was never a question as to what happened - every reasonable person knew right away what we were dealing with here. Everyone knew immediately that this was the result of Islamic fundamentalists backed by theocratic Saddamist fascism. There wasn't even a whiff of a thought leading to anything else, save by a few stoners like Michael Moore and his legion of brain-dead followers.

If there was no question there would be no conspiracy theories. I don't know what you're talking about.

[paulgiamatti]

The conspiracies are unreasonable and a waste of time and thought. Instead of scraping the barrel, looking endlessly for things to indict our government on - things which do not exist - why don't you do something about the state of Islam as it glares us in the face? While we're wasting our time on this, ISIS is increasing their numbers by proliferating propagandist videos worldwide to recruit more soldiers into their death cult, all in the name of the murder and slaughter of innocent civilians and the destruction of civilized society.

This nonsense is a distraction. I'm all about complexity - sure, the events leading up to 9/11 were complicated, but let's not ignore the obvious at the same time.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

The conspiracies are unreasonable and a waste of time and thought. Instead of scraping the barrel, looking endlessly for things to indict our government on - things which do not exist - why don't you do something about the state of Islam as it glares us in the face? While we're wasting our time on this, ISIS is increasing their numbers by proliferating propagandist videos worldwide to recruit more soldiers into their death cult, all in the name of the murder and slaughter of innocent civilians and the destruction of civilized society.

This nonsense is a distraction. I'm all about complexity - sure, the events leading up to 9/11 were complicated, but let's not ignore the obvious at the same time.

Or you could answer the question instead of "hey look over there!"

[G13]

The conspiracies are unreasonable and a waste of time and thought. Instead of scraping the barrel, looking endlessly for things to indict our government on - things which do not exist - why don't you do something about the state of Islam as it glares us in the face? While we're wasting our time on this, ISIS is increasing their numbers by proliferating propagandist videos worldwide to recruit more soldiers into their death cult, all in the name of the murder and slaughter of innocent civilians and the destruction of civilized society.

This nonsense is a distraction. I'm all about complexity - sure, the events leading up to 9/11 were complicated, but let's not ignore the obvious at the same time.

You realize that the ISIS beheading videos are 100% bullshit right?

False flag psyops

Propaganda

Complete bullshit

[paulgiamatti]

Because it never ends, kaga. There is an endless amount of convolution anyone that possesses their age for an IQ can draw up surrounding what could have possibly happened on 9/11. I'm not going there - it's an endless feedback loop and I've been caught in it before and it goes nowhere.

[G13]

Because it never ends, kaga. There is an endless amount of convolution anyone that possesses their age for an IQ can draw up surrounding what could have possibly happened on 9/11. I'm not going there - it's an endless feedback loop and I've been caught in it before and it goes nowhere.

How do you explain all the predictive programming leading up to 9/1

We're talking decades of predictive programming

How do you explain all these coincidences and references in one movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPJQ-1Y8jfY

[paulgiamatti]

Human beings are pattern-seeking mammals, which is a very good thing about us. However, this can oftentimes lead to people preferring a conspiracy theory over no theory at all; a very bad thing about us.

[G13]

You didn't want the video

Take your blinders off

[paulgiamatti]

I can say though, even though I think all conspiracy documentaries are a complete waste of time, I do like how they cut the shit and get straight to the point.

[indiscriminate_hater]

How do you explain all the predictive programming leading up to 9/1

We're talking decades of predictive programming

How do you explain all these coincidences and references in one movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPJQ-1Y8jfY

that video is incredible

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Because it never ends, kaga. There is an endless amount of convolution anyone that possesses their age for an IQ can draw up surrounding what could have possibly happened on 9/11. I'm not going there - it's an endless feedback loop and I've been caught in it before and it goes nowhere.

I don't care about any of that. I want to know physically how the towers collapsed. I want to know why there was controlled demolition of tower 7. Those are the only questions I want answered. I don't care about anything beyond those two specific issues.

Answer my questions please.

[Ahldagor]

Does a controlled detonation or not change reality? You're like HBB caroling Israeli foreign policy.

[paulgiamatti]

I'm not interested in those questions, it's just such a waste of time. Two airliner jets careened into the buildings, and they collapsed. Building 7 collapsed from damage. It didn't look like a controlled demolition to me.

This is where everyone posts a bunch of conspiracy videos and articles explaining why the buildings couldn't have collapsed on their own - I'm just not interested in it anymore. The United States government is not going to murder 3,000 civilians or conspiratorially demolish buildings.

If you want to indict the government for crimes against humanity or the violation of civil liberty, look at Henry Kissinger's record or the NSA wiretapping. Look at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay and the practice of waterboarding. For fuck's sake indict them on things they're actually doing and abandon this wasteful scrutiny of the fallen twin towers and building 7.

[Visual]

Human beings are pattern-seeking mammals, which is a very good thing about us. However, this can lead oftentimes lead to people preferring a conspiracy theory over no theory at all; a very bad thing about us.


You should steal more quotes like that (richard dawkins) and claim them as your own

[Nihilist_santa]

The United States government is not going to murder 3,000 civilians or conspiratorially demolish buildings.



Might I direct your attention to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Does a controlled detonation or not change reality? You're like HBB caroling Israeli foreign policy.
Huh? Where in this thread at all did I blame "Teh Guvernment"?
I'm not interested in those questions, it's just such a waste of time. Two airliner jets careened into the buildings, and they collapsed. Building 7 collapsed from damage. It didn't look like a controlled demolition to me.

This is where everyone posts a bunch of conspiracy videos and articles explaining why the buildings couldn't have collapsed on their own - I'm just not interested in it anymore. The United States government is not going to murder 3,000 civilians or conspiratorially demolish buildings.

If you want to indict the government for crimes against humanity or the violation of civil liberty, look at Henry Kissinger's record or the NSA wiretapping. Look at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay and the practice of waterboarding. For fuck's sake indict them on things they're actually doing and abandon this wasteful scrutiny of the fallen twin towers and building 7.

Actually I'm more concerned with the possibility of the people behind the construction of the towers lying about the materials/quality control. I'm not sure where the government conspiracy tangent came from though.

I honestly want to know how steel that takes ~2750 degrees F would lose structural integrity in temperatures barely half of that 1517 degrees F is the boiling point of jet fuel in atmospheric conditions.

As for tower 7, while you're entitled to your opinion, I'm still going to give more weight to the plethora of engineers who have a different one. :)

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Barely over half of that* :rolleyes:

[Sidelle]

I'm a fan of conspiracy theories because I love being freaked out about the possibilities of any number of horrors being unleashed on us innocent citizens. What can I say. I'm also a fan of horror books and movies. I like being scared and I love a good mystery; things that can't be explained. For example...

Wtf is up with the Denver International Airport? Here (http://thechive.com/2012/03/08/something-is-rotten-in-the-denver-airport-25-photos/) is an interesting post with pictures of the creepy murals and sculptures that many believe are clues about the impending mass genocide and the birth of the New World Order.

Clearly it's exactly the kind of art I wanna look at right before I board a flight. I think the gargoyle popping out of the suitcase is adorable, though.

What do you guys think?

http://files.ionosplatform.com/Files/Airports/DEN/en-us/Images/Gargoyletcm_8-34073.jpg

[iruinedyourday]

What do you guys think?



haha i think holy shit this mural is amazing lmao

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/denver-airport-4.jpg?w=1323&h=996

[Sidelle]

Lol @ that guy going "wtf?"

[iruinedyourday]

Lol @ that guy going "wtf?"

its like if the world looked like this lmao

http://cf.badassdigest.com/_uploads/images/18244/wizards6__span.jpg

[Sidelle]

Hahahaha!

[FoxxHound]

I still don't get the whole illumanati thing.

[valarmorghulis]

So you have the answers to...

At what temperature does jet fuel burn? What temperature is the melting point in the steel used to construct the towers.

Explain tower 7?

LOL so you believe 9/11 was an inside job but don't believe the government and pharmaceutical companies are poisoning us via vaccines/drugs etc. I just don't get people man.

[radditsu]

I still don't get the whole illumanati thing.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati_(comics)



They shot hulk into space.

[FoxxHound]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati_(comics)



They shot hulk into space.

Well that's not very polite. Is it?

[myriverse]

Then how do you explain all the predictive programming in cartoons, movies and TV shows leading up to 9/11
People predict things all the time.
Sometimes they come true.

[ManosMan]

I honestly want to know how steel that takes ~2750 degrees F would lose structural integrity in temperatures barely half of that 1517 degrees F is the boiling point of jet fuel in atmospheric conditions.
Try popular mechanics?

PopMechs (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center)

[myriverse]

If there was no question there would be no conspiracy theories. I don't know what you're talking about.
Conspiracy theories have nothing whatsoever to do with questions. They have to do with the theorist and his lack of self-worth.

[Nihilist_santa]

[QUOTE=myriverse;1619059]Conspiracy theories have nothing whatsoever to do with questions. They have to do with the theorist and his lack of self-worth.[/QUOTE

Try that again without employing logical fallacies. Try backing your claims up with something besides your limited perspective. Plenty of conspiracies have proven true. http://www.businessinsider.com/true-government-conspiracies-2013-12

[radditsu]

Well that's not very polite. Is it?

He got mad and went to a Planet and made the best Hulk book in the last few decades, fucked a bitch and made a son...who died(then got better). He then went back to earth, took over new york and made those assholes fight each other gladiator style until the Sentry went super sayian and they punched each other until their powers died.


Then Hercules took his book over and it was AMAZING.

It caused this meme to exist:

http://nerdbong.com/wp-content/uploads/cool-story-bro-500x499.jpg

[Azure]

Do you really want the truth?















Well, I got the truth for you right here!












The real reason that Classic and Wipe it Clean were banned was not because they were troll accounts.

it's because in this community you need multiple accounts to speak the truth and protect you're main forumquest levels.

Because Classic spoke the truth about rogue/sneak/hide bullshit.

And because Wipe it Clean spoke the truth about the deadness of the community.

R.I.P. P99/R99

I will miss you until the next turning of the wheel.

[FoxxHound]

He got mad and went to a Planet and made the best Hulk book in the last few decades, fucked a bitch and made a son...who died(then got better). He then went back to earth, took over new york and made those assholes fight each other gladiator style until the Sentry went super sayian and they punched each other until their powers died.


Then Hercules took his book over and it was AMAZING.

It caused this meme to exist:

http://nerdbong.com/wp-content/uploads/cool-story-bro-500x499.jpg

O shit son.

[Tongpow]

>Demand the Truth

https://akachela.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/n506f20a7dba0c.gif

[Grimjaw]

jesus Christ what did I find here - heighten the illusion of threat


http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/cuba_mis_cri/620219%20Memo%20for%20the%20Chief%20of%20Ops..pdf

[paulgiamatti]

As for tower 7, while you're entitled to your opinion, I'm still going to give more weight to the plethora of engineers who have a different one. :)

That's fair, that's all I ask really. I'm not claiming to know the answers here, I've just decided to make up my own mind about it. I've spent so many hours scrutinizing building 7, and at the end of the day I'm just not willing to say that enough thermite explosives could have been planted on the structural beams of the building to bring it down without anyone knowing about it. At the end of the day I'm just not willing to believe on a dime that it was demolished, or "pulled", just because some lease holder in a business suit said that might have happened, or because fucking Ron Paul says the government is being dishonest.

You should steal more quotes like that (richard dawkins) and claim them as your own

Ah, I'm glad someone caught this. It is an appropriation of something one of my heroes Christopher Hitchens said, who was very much influenced by Dawkins, so I'll only give you partial credit.

[valarmorghulis]

That's fair, that's all I ask really. I'm not claiming to know the answers here, I've just decided to make up my own mind about it. I've spent so many hours scrutinizing building 7, and at the end of the day I'm just not willing to say that enough thermite explosives could have been planted on the structural beams of the building to bring it down without anyone knowing about it. At the end of the day I'm just not willing to believe on a dime that it was demolished, or "pulled", just because some lease holder in a business suit said that might have happened, or because fucking Ron Paul says the government is being dishonest.



Ah, I'm glad someone caught this. It is an appropriation of something one of my heroes Christopher Hitchens said, who was very much influenced by Dawkins, so I'll only give you partial credit.

If you disagree that Building 7 was brought down with explosives then you disagree with the laws of physics. It's as simple as that. In order for an object to fall at the speed of gravity there must be zero resistance. This is in fact the case with building 7 and the twin towers. They fell at the speed of gravity which means all support was cut out simultaneously. Even just comparing it to videos of actual demolitions the similarities are painfully obvious.

Oh and people did state that in the months preceding 9/11, there was construction going on inside the building and when people went to the floors that work was supposedly being done on, they found nothing. Very strange.

Sorry but the fact is our government has been infiltrated and taken over by people who hate us and want to kill and control us. It's a hard truth to swallow but part of the reason why they are able to get away with this shit is because people refuse to accept the truth of their reality.

[Non Quixote]

The US government can't screen our phone calls and get away with it, can't spy on other countries and get away with it, can't build secret aircraft and get away with it, can't waterboard prisoners and get away with it, hell Clinton couldn't get a blow job in the Oval office and get away with it. But...

A secret operation involving hundreds if not thousands of people (including some kamikazes) for years blows up several huge buildings, including one of the most secure in the world, kills thousands of US citizens, disrupts the world economy, and not one peep from anyone? Buehler? Buehler?

If our government were a person, he or she would have trouble finding their ass with both hands.

It is hilarious though to see how deep the paranoia goes.

It does burn my ass though when the truthers claim that the planes were remotely flown with dead bodies inside. Despicably disrespectful to those who lost family on them.

[Nihilist_santa]

6 months before 9/11 a series created by Chris Carter as a spinoff to the X-Files called the lone gunmen aired its pilot in which the govt hijacks airplanes and flies them remotely. Also see my previous post and link regarding operation North Woods. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rsMG2hHsLo

Just because you perceive the govt to be inept does not mean that they are. There are countless secret operations performed daily. As to large scale events you realize the allies created an entire fake army to make the Germans think they were going to invade through Africa and Italy and not through France and it was kept entirely secret. Perhaps you are unaware that the atomic bomb was created entirely in secret as well. Just because you fail to believe something does not make it true. DUMB or bunkers have been kept secret for decades and require the use of many people to build. The Greenbriar Resort is one such place that was once secret.

Look at area 51. There are many theories about that location however there is little proof because *duh*secrecy. So those are just a handful of examples which sink those arguments.

[G13]

People predict things all the time.
Sometimes they come true.

I didn't say people predicted things. I said the media engages in "Predictive Programming" which is something entirely different altogether.

You are ignorant of what predictive programming is. The Elite that control media/sports/news/music/everything will telegraph what they plan through symbolism. Your reality is manufactured. Oh and the people that control this reality worship Lucifer/Satan/Baphomet FYI.

Here are some examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1aifunETmU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2PSX-GlYz0

Notice he uses the number 42

4 + 2 = 6

6 = The number of man

42 is also an angelic number

Numerology and Symbolism are rampant in movies/music/pop culture ect. You never notice it because you're not looking.

9/11 = IXXI = The 13th pillar

The 13th pillar = The AntiChrist

You really need to wake up out of your coma

The Boston Bombing/Sandy Hook/These recent BS fake beheading videos are all frauds. Deception. False Flag manipulation with the lying corrupt media as willing accomplishes. Your Government is run by a criminal cabal and they are slowly tightening the screws.

[Dr3am]

"I don't care about any of that. I want to know physically how the towers collapsed. I want to know why there was controlled demolition of tower 7. Those are the only questions I want answered. I don't care about anything beyond those two specific issues.

Answer my questions please."

I did a report on this for college years ago and I remember some of the details, so here goes. It has been a while so my details might be off here or there, but you get the picture.

1) Why did the steel girders melt at such low temperatures?
The answer to this lies within something called phase transitions when you heat metal. Sure the melting point of steel occurs much higher than jet fuel burns, but we don't need to melt the girders to make the building fall. At 700f industrial steel goes through its first phase transition and loses more than half of its tensile strength.
If you investigate the building itself you find that the steel coating the outside of the building is connected to a steel core in the middle of the building via steel trusses. These trusses keep the skin of the building in place, and as major wind forces hit the building it spreads the stress along the skin, through the trusses, and into the interior of the build. When the tensile strength of the buildings gave out, the trusses softened, causing the outside skin to buckle. Once this happened, the weigh to of the building above no longer was supported by the skin of the building in that area, resulting in the top of the building pushing down into nothing. This resulted in a collapse of the top of the building via the 6 stories of melted trusses. Look at it like a straw, and when you push straight down on the top of a straw it holds far more weight than it should due to the skin of the straw reinforcing itself throught its length. Now take the same straw and fold it then try to push down again- because the skin is no longer aligned the weight on top causes it to almost immediately give and no longer hold weight.

2) The buildings fell at the speed of freefall- had you dropped a penny from the top floor at the beginning of the collapse, it would impact the ground at the same time the top floor did.
This is true and the reasons behind it are amazing to consider. The building design (that I allude to above) was created for each floor to hold the static weight of all floors above it. In each case the buildings were struck with between 20 and 40 floors above them- and when they fell their weight became dynamic and not static. When that dynamic weight pushed on the floors below, it actually pulverized them because the static weight is nowhere near as immense as the dynamic weight. Bear in mind these buildings were not normal office buildings- they occupied an entire NY city block. Each. Their dynamic weight was so immense that the floors below could not even begin to resist it- they simply pulverized into dust. The forces involved when an entire city block sized 20 to 40 story building bears down on another force is hard to imagine much less calculate.

3) Tower 7 fell like a controlled demolition.
The lower floors of Tower 7 were completely obliterated by the falling debris by the trade centers, and all the load bearing structures on that floor were decimated. A key structural support that held the entire building together, at the center of the building, was destroyed. This is why the building was evacuated and expected to fall, and why it fell within its own footprint. It's actually a miracle that it stood as long as it did.

4) The twin towers fell like a controlled demolition.
http://www.cleveland.com/science/index.ssf/2011/08/a_decade_after_the_911_attacks.html
Halfway down on the right hand side you will see a picture of the second tower collapsing at the initiation of the collapse. You can clearly see from this picture that the tower top fell to the left and then down, because the plane hollowed out and softened the support structures on the left of that tower.

[Nihilist_santa]

Witnesses in building 7 claim to have heard explosions inside the building. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERhoNYj9_fg

[G13]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWfsOgRm-pk

Skull and Bones 322

322 = Genesis 3:22

Genesis 3:22 (KJV) - And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

[Ket]

"I don't care about any of that. I want to know physically how the towers collapsed. I want to know why there was controlled demolition of tower 7. Those are the only questions I want answered. I don't care about anything beyond those two specific issues.

Answer my questions please."

I did a report on this for college years ago and I remember some of the details, so here goes. It has been a while so my details might be off here or there, but you get the picture.

1) Why did the steel girders melt at such low temperatures?
The answer to this lies within something called phase transitions when you heat metal. Sure the melting point of steel occurs much higher than jet fuel burns, but we don't need to melt the girders to make the building fall. At 700f industrial steel goes through its first phase transition and loses more than half of its tensile strength.
If you investigate the building itself you find that the steel coating the outside of the building is connected to a steel core in the middle of the building via steel trusses. These trusses keep the skin of the building in place, and as major wind forces hit the building it spreads the stress along the skin, through the trusses, and into the interior of the build. When the tensile strength of the buildings gave out, the trusses softened, causing the outside skin to buckle. Once this happened, the weigh to of the building above no longer was supported by the skin of the building in that area, resulting in the top of the building pushing down into nothing. This resulted in a collapse of the top of the building via the 6 stories of melted trusses. Look at it like a straw, and when you push straight down on the top of a straw it holds far more weight than it should due to the skin of the straw reinforcing itself throught its length. Now take the same straw and fold it then try to push down again- because the skin is no longer aligned the weight on top causes it to almost immediately give and no longer hold weight.

2) The buildings fell at the speed of freefall- had you dropped a penny from the top floor at the beginning of the collapse, it would impact the ground at the same time the top floor did.
This is true and the reasons behind it are amazing to consider. The building design (that I allude to above) was created for each floor to hold the static weight of all floors above it. In each case the buildings were struck with between 20 and 40 floors above them- and when they fell their weight became dynamic and not static. When that dynamic weight pushed on the floors below, it actually pulverized them because the static weight is nowhere near as immense as the dynamic weight. Bear in mind these buildings were not normal office buildings- they occupied an entire NY city block. Each. Their dynamic weight was so immense that the floors below could not even begin to resist it- they simply pulverized into dust. The forces involved when an entire city block sized 20 to 40 story building bears down on another force is hard to imagine much less calculate.

3) Tower 7 fell like a controlled demolition.
The lower floors of Tower 7 were completely obliterated by the falling debris by the trade centers, and all the load bearing structures on that floor were decimated. A key structural support that held the entire building together, at the center of the building, was destroyed. This is why the building was evacuated and expected to fall, and why it fell within its own footprint. It's actually a miracle that it stood as long as it did.

4) The twin towers fell like a controlled demolition.
http://www.cleveland.com/science/index.ssf/2011/08/a_decade_after_the_911_attacks.html
Halfway down on the right hand side you will see a picture of the second tower collapsing at the initiation of the collapse. You can clearly see from this picture that the tower top fell to the left and then down, because the plane hollowed out and softened the support structures on the left of that tower.

The thing that keeps me coming back here is when someone, like the fella above, proposes concise arguments that get ignored for the sake of continuing whatever ridiculous argument happens to be going on.

But hey, keep on attempting to add excitement into your otherwise dull lives by fabricating conspiracy theories. Your like that chick I dated when I was a teenager who would lie about silly shit just to make herself seem more interesting.

Wait, hold on ...That was a lie. I don't know any women.

:(

-Ket

[Ket]

You're* - Damn the devil and his typos.

[G13]

The thing that keeps me coming back here is when someone, like the fella above, proposes concise arguments that get ignored for the sake of continuing whatever ridiculous argument happens to be going on.

But hey, keep on attempting to add excitement into your otherwise dull lives by fabricating conspiracy theories. Your like that chick I dated when I was a teenager who would lie about silly shit just to make herself seem more interesting.

Wait, hold on ...That was a lie. I don't know any women.

:(

-Ket

His arguments are just parroting the bogus NIST report/Popular mechanics smoke screen

The building fell at freefall speed within it's footprint

Physics > Lies

[paulgiamatti]

Well, there you have it folks. G13 obviously has way too much invested in his conspiracy fetish to consider any kind of capitulation to solid facts and research. His enjoyment of the conspiracy is much more important to him than boring, dull facts. I guess I can't really blame him too much, it is pretty boring.

[iruinedyourday]

G13 if you suicide you can find all the answers out immediately because of Jesus. I think you are onto something, I suggest getting to the bottom of this immediately!

[Fael]

Genuinely curious all the twin tower conspiracy people:

What does the melting point have to do with anything. The question I would think is at what temperature is the load bearing capacity of the steel degraded to the point of no longer be able to bear the weight.

I would imagine those temperatures are vastly different.
Dolic

[indiscriminate_hater]

the speed of sound in steel is roughly 20,000 ft/sec. any impact on the base steel structure would have propagated to the base in less than 0.08 seconds.

and the dynamic impact is a great point that no one seems to care about. sure, you can piggyback a 200-pound person, but that person jumps off a roof onto your back, you're sure as hell not standing up after.

also, the burning temperature of jet fuel is its point of combustion, not how hot the surrounding environment can become due to this combustion. dry wood burns at around 450F, but house and brush fires can reach several thousand degrees. how do you think we're able to melt steel in the first place?

how fucking hard is that to understand?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

"I don't care about any of that. I want to know physically how the towers collapsed. I want to know why there was controlled demolition of tower 7. Those are the only questions I want answered. I don't care about anything beyond those two specific issues.

Answer my questions please."

I did a report on this for college years ago and I remember some of the details, so here goes. It has been a while so my details might be off here or there, but you get the picture.

1) Why did the steel girders melt at such low temperatures?
The answer to this lies within something called phase transitions when you heat metal. Sure the melting point of steel occurs much higher than jet fuel burns, but we don't need to melt the girders to make the building fall. At 700f industrial steel goes through its first phase transition and loses more than half of its tensile strength.
If you investigate the building itself you find that the steel coating the outside of the building is connected to a steel core in the middle of the building via steel trusses. These trusses keep the skin of the building in place, and as major wind forces hit the building it spreads the stress along the skin, through the trusses, and into the interior of the build. When the tensile strength of the buildings gave out, the trusses softened, causing the outside skin to buckle. Once this happened, the weigh to of the building above no longer was supported by the skin of the building in that area, resulting in the top of the building pushing down into nothing. This resulted in a collapse of the top of the building via the 6 stories of melted trusses. Look at it like a straw, and when you push straight down on the top of a straw it holds far more weight than it should due to the skin of the straw reinforcing itself throught its length. Now take the same straw and fold it then try to push down again- because the skin is no longer aligned the weight on top causes it to almost immediately give and no longer hold weight.

2) The buildings fell at the speed of freefall- had you dropped a penny from the top floor at the beginning of the collapse, it would impact the ground at the same time the top floor did.
This is true and the reasons behind it are amazing to consider. The building design (that I allude to above) was created for each floor to hold the static weight of all floors above it. In each case the buildings were struck with between 20 and 40 floors above them- and when they fell their weight became dynamic and not static. When that dynamic weight pushed on the floors below, it actually pulverized them because the static weight is nowhere near as immense as the dynamic weight. Bear in mind these buildings were not normal office buildings- they occupied an entire NY city block. Each. Their dynamic weight was so immense that the floors below could not even begin to resist it- they simply pulverized into dust. The forces involved when an entire city block sized 20 to 40 story building bears down on another force is hard to imagine much less calculate.

3) Tower 7 fell like a controlled demolition.
The lower floors of Tower 7 were completely obliterated by the falling debris by the trade centers, and all the load bearing structures on that floor were decimated. A key structural support that held the entire building together, at the center of the building, was destroyed. This is why the building was evacuated and expected to fall, and why it fell within its own footprint. It's actually a miracle that it stood as long as it did.

4) The twin towers fell like a controlled demolition.
http://www.cleveland.com/science/index.ssf/2011/08/a_decade_after_the_911_attacks.html
Halfway down on the right hand side you will see a picture of the second tower collapsing at the initiation of the collapse. You can clearly see from this picture that the tower top fell to the left and then down, because the plane hollowed out and softened the support structures on the left of that tower.

A plausible explanation. Exactly what I had asked for, thank you.

[Champion_Standing]

Alex Jones proved 9/11 was an inside job years ago.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Now another question. Without implying conspiracy but possibly implying government incompetence. Why were there no birds in the air in the just under eighteen minutes between tower one and tower two getting hit and then of course the Pentagon getting hit over a half hour later?

[ManosMan]

Again... READ THE POPULAR MECHANICS ARTICLE.

No Stand-Down Order
Claim: No fighter jets were scrambled from any of the 28 Air Force bases within close range of the four hijacked flights. "On 11 September Andrews had two squadrons of fighter jets with the job of protecting the skies over Washington D.C.," says the Web site emperors-clothes.com. "They failed to do their job." "There is only one explanation for this," writes Mark R. Elsis of StandDown.net. "Our Air Force was ordered to Stand Down on 9/11."

FACT: On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked—the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes.

Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them.

[G13]

Well, there you have it folks. G13 obviously has way too much invested in his conspiracy fetish to consider any kind of capitulation to solid facts and research. His enjoyment of the conspiracy is much more important to him than boring, dull facts. I guess I can't really blame him too much, it is pretty boring.

What facts?

The NIST Report is propaganda. Not facts.

Please show me any other tall building in history that ever collapsed within it's footprint (at freefall speed) due to fire

NIST never factored in fire accelerants in their report. This is standard for all building fire investigations.

More than 1000 architects and engineers disagree with NIST's claim that fires brought down building 7. That list is growing. No engineer peer reviewed the NIST report nor was the final report signed off by one. Go ahead. Read it. No engineer listed on the report was ever given all the evidence. On the contrary, the evidence was divided up between different groups of investigators/engineers who looked at individual evidence in a vacuum. Not within the context of a macro investigation as a whole.

The NIST computer model did not match the actual collapse

The NIST report ignored testimony from several key witnesses, such as Matthys Levy which contradicted their claims as to the actual time the fire started. This is crucial because their testimony confirms fires started in the building before the WTC collapse. Not after.

NIST lied about the duration and temperatures of the fires in their report

NIST has never published their modeling data. They also ignored all physical and eyewitness testimony that conflicted with their report

NIST never calculated thermal conductivity in their bogus models. Steel doesn't conduct heat? They also never calculated thermal expansion of the concrete floors as well. It's called "rigging the game" to achieve the desired results = propaganda and lies

NIST completely omitted sheer studs from their model. I can't tell you how critical this is and how that fact alone obliterates that bogus post you want to trumpet. In their original preliminary report they did in fact report these studs. They were omitted in the final report. This all has to do with their bogus theory regarding thermal expansion.

NIST completely ignored all eyewitness reports of explosions before the building came down

They had to do all this trickery to discover a "new kind of collapse" never seen before in the history of buildings

All your government ever does is lie to you

Wake up

[paulgiamatti]

Yeah yeah, and Robert Zemeckis somehow knew about the ghoulish plan to fly airliners into the world trade center and tried to warn us in Back to the Future. We get it. Can you just go back to getting high now?

[G13]

Yeah yeah, and Robert Zemeckis somehow knew about the ghoulish plan to fly airliners into the world trade center and tried to warn us in Back to the Future. We get it. Can you just go back to getting high now?

You're just trollin because you're living in denial and haven't woken up yet

/shrug

[paulgiamatti]

Yep, need to open my third eye and recognize the illuminati! You got me.

[G13]

Yep, need to open my third eye and recognize the illuminati! You got me.

No you need to wake up from your coma and stop believing what you see on TV and what the Government tells you.

Boston Bombing = Hoax

Foley beheading = Hoax

Sandy Hook = Hoax

Santa Barbara shooting = Hoax

All domestic false flag psyops using crisis actors to manipulate and control the public.

[iruinedyourday]

G13 you are an example of a bad person. You get freedom and safety from your government, but you denounce them and say they are evil and terrible and stupid.

you get NOTHING from your holy bible, and yo upraise it as the only true word and condemn anything you perceive it tells you to.

you're a taker, a beggar, and a liar.

[G13]

G13 you are an example of a bad person. You get freedom and safety from your government, but you denounce them and say they are evil and terrible and stupid.

you get NOTHING from your holy bible, and yo upraise it as the only true word and condemn anything you perceive it tells you to.

you're a taker, a beggar, and a liar.

I didn't say they were stupid

I'm just laying out the facts

Boston Bombing = Nobody died. Nobody lost their legs. False Flag Hoax. Domestic psyop.

Sandy Hook = Pure fakery and lies

Foley "Beheading" = 100% BS propaganda and lies

The list is endless

You can call me every name in the book

/shrug

Means nothing to me. There is Truth and there Untruth

[radditsu]

Now another question. Without implying conspiracy but possibly implying government incompetence. Why were there no birds in the air in the just under eighteen minutes between tower one and tower two getting hit and then of course the Pentagon getting hit over a half hour later?

It takes 30 mins to an hour to scramble jets. Plus travel time. Do you think assholes sleep next to planes in the zero previous times these things happen?

[radditsu]

No you need to wake up from your coma and stop believing what you see on TV and what the Government tells you.

Boston Bombing = Hoax

Foley beheading = Hoax

Sandy Hook = Hoax

Santa Barbara shooting = Hoax

All domestic false flag psyops using crisis actors to manipulate and control the public.


http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/2009/07/watchmen-squid.jpg

[paulgiamatti]

Boston Bombing = Nobody died. Nobody lost their legs. False Flag Hoax. Domestic psyop.

Sandy Hook = Pure fakery and lies

Foley "Beheading" = 100% BS propaganda and lies

This is such a fucking insult to everyone who lost their lives, their limbs, or their mental faculties from these events. You are nothing more than a smoked-retarded imbecile, a complete shit stain on the boots of society. All I can hope for at this point is for you to be caught in the middle of one of the atrocities where people actually do die, so that once you're dead we can give you an enema and fold your deflated corpse into a matchbox.

[G13]

It takes 30 mins to an hour to scramble jets. Plus travel time. Do you think assholes sleep next to planes in the zero previous times these things happen?

NORAD was actually fully prepared and running exercises that day

No response to Flight 11

After the first plane hit the building, they were ordered to stay in a holding pattern over Long Island. Why weren't they scrambled to protect NYC?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olF0RAI6ETE

[G13]

This is such a fucking insult to everyone who lost their lives, their limbs, or their mental faculties from these events. You are nothing more than a smoked-retarded imbecile, a complete shit stain on the boots of society. All I can hope for at this point is for you to be caught in the middle of one of the atrocities where people actually do die, so that once you're dead we can give you an enema and fold your deflated corpse into a matchbox.

Ahh the personal attacks begin as you hide behind fake deaths/emotion

Nobody died at The Boston Bombing

Nobody died at Sandy Hook

Foley Beheading Video is a fraud

Easily proven

Want to travel down that rabbit hole or are you still living in denial of reality?

[Ket]

....Is this the matrix?

[paulgiamatti]

Not a personal attack, merely a logical statement made from a conclusion that was easily reached.

[iruinedyourday]

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/05/25/arts/25LEFTOVER1/25LEFTOVER1-master1050-v2.jpg

[G13]

Not a personal attack, merely a logical statement made from a conclusion that was easily reached.

No it was a personal attack because you're getting all emo

Pick one of the BS Hoaxes I listed and let's go down the rabbit hole shall we?

Or are you a coward?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Nobody died at Sandy Hook

False.

I live near that area. Two girls my girlfriend used to teach Hebrew school to died in that shooting. I went to one of the funerals. Just stop posting already.

[Dr3am]

"Sandy Hook = Hoax"

I was going to reply to you intellectually and then you jumped way off the deep end and started posting the most vile things I've had the displeasure of reading.

Those were children and basically babies lying dead in that school. Families lost their children, and i would love for you to face a mother, father, sister or brother of one of those Families with your bullshit theory. To even suggest something this nuts removes you from consideration for intellectual conversation.

It boggles me that the tinfoil hats block so much common sense and that you drown out your own voice with how ridiculous your theory is. Rather than suggesting that the government LET it happen (despite seeing it coming) and even did things to sew confusion on that day, you instead suggest that the biggest hoax in history was perpetrated in the wide open.

-if bldg 7 was rigged to fall then where is the 5th plane that would have explained it? Hey boss we rigged this bldg to fall have we got a plane set to fly into it yet? No? Well let's demo it anyway and let people guess why it fell! Great idear!

You can't just base your theories on common sense because you have none. Clearly suggesting (in your parroting of Loose Change) that the deaths and phone calls from planes were faked and those broken family members are liars proves your madness.

You are the worst piece of garbage I've ever had the displeasure of interacting with.

[G13]

False.

I live near that area. Two girls my girlfriend used to teach Hebrew school to died in that shooting. I went to one of the funerals. Just stop posting already.

Lie

Nobody died

The shooting is a massive hoax

What were their names?

[G13]

"Sandy Hook = Hoax"

I was going to reply to you intellectually and then you jumped way off the deep end and started posting the most vile things I've had the displeasure of reading.

Those were children and basically babies lying dead in that school. Families lost their children, and i would love for you to face a mother, father, sister or brother of one of those Families with your bullshit theory. To even suggest something this nuts removes you from consideration for intellectual conversation.

It boggles me that the tinfoil hats block so much common sense and that you drown out your own voice with how ridiculous your theory is. Rather than suggesting that the government LET it happen (despite seeing it coming) and even did things to sew confusion on that day, you instead suggest that the biggest hoax in history was perpetrated in the wide open.

-if bldg 7 was rigged to fall then where is the 5th plane that would have explained it? Hey boss we rigged this bldg to fall have we got a plane set to fly into it yet? No? Well let's demo it anyway and let people guess why it fell! Great idear!

You can't just base your theories on common sense because you have none. Clearly suggesting (in your parroting of Loose Change) that the deaths and phone calls from planes were faked and those broken family members are liars proves your madness.

You are the worst piece of garbage I've ever had the displeasure of interacting with.

BS Lie

Show me a picture of the crime scene at Sandy Hook

There isn't one

[paulgiamatti]

I wish he was just trolling. Something tells me otherwise, though. Something tells me people are actually this stupid.

[G13]

I wish he was just trolling. Something tells me otherwise, though. Something tells me people are actually this stupid.

You're just dodging and trolling

Go ahead

Pick one

Coward

[iruinedyourday]

You're trolling
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[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Lie

Nobody died

The shooting is a massive hoax

What were their names?

Yes, let's publicly out dead minors for your satisfaction. Or I won't. Even I'm not that vile and I honestly didn't give much of a fuck (shit happens) when the shooting even happened.

[G13]

Yes, let's publicly out dead minors for your satisfaction. Or I won't. Even I'm not that vile and I honestly didn't give much of a fuck (shit happens) when the shooting even happened.

You're lying and trying to hide behind phony outrage and emotion

Their names are already public record. Can't you simply confirm?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKWgCRBR5qE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYgKXr8vN-E

Sandy Hook = Staged Hoax

Take a look at this video of the Fire Station. Pay CAREFUL attention to what the people there are actually doing, which is walking around in circles doing absolutely nothing to give the appearance of bustling activity. Notice all the black card with tinted windows. Notice all the emergency response vehicles are blocked in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXBoW7Hsmjk

[iruinedyourday]

hey Kaga, you know how you feel right now? This is what it feels like when you argue with me about how a police officer 'might not be a racist murderer' for shooting a black teenager in cold blood and we should give him the benefit of the doubt...

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

hey Kaga, you know how you feel right now? This is what it feels like when you argue with me about how a police officer 'might not be a racist murderer' for shooting a black teenager in cold blood and we should give him the benefit of the doubt...

Don't conflate examining evidence in a disputed situation for what it is with calling a mass shooting a conspiracy. The two aren't in the same ballpark, probably not even the same sport.

[paulgiamatti]

G13 really has become the message board equivalent of sheer white noise. I don't even read his posts anymore, it's just a loud, static fuzz.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

You are also comparing the circumstances of someone we both agree had died to someone claiming that dead people didn't even die at all. Not the same sport for sure.

[Non Quixote]

Wow. He really is batshit. I just thought he was trolling.

[G13]

Oh hey look at 3:18 in the Firehouse Video

It's Gene Rosen

This guy. he's an obvious ACTOR. You morons are being bamboozled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igfczc6m5M4

http://realquestionsnow.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/sandyhookgenerosineverybodymustcheckin.jpg

If you check timestamps, you'll learn that Gene Rosen was actually at The Firehouse (proof in the circling video) at the exact same time he stated he was playing with children in his house.

The entire thing is a fraud. Yes your media and Government lie to you. Wake up

[G13]

You are also comparing the circumstances of someone we both agree had died to someone claiming that dead people didn't even die at all. Not the same sport for sure.

What are the names of these phantom people you claimed died?

You made a claim. Prove it.

[G13]

G13 really has become the message board equivalent of sheer white noise. I don't even read his posts anymore, it's just a loud, static fuzz.

Then leave the thread coward

[Non Quixote]

It's pretty entertaining when the completely batshit are so completely batshit that they don't even realize that they're completely batshit.

[G13]

Wow. He really is batshit. I just thought he was trolling.

100% BS and Lies to anyone with a brain

Do you have a brain?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

What are the names of these phantom people you claimed died?

You made a claim. Prove it.

It's up to my discretion and none of your goddamn business who I have personal ties with. I have enough Facebook stalkers from these boards.

[G13]

It's up to my discretion and none of your goddamn business who I have personal ties with. I have enough Facebook stalkers from these boards.

Lawl like I give a fuck about your Facebook

You're a lying fucking fraud

Admit it

[Non Quixote]

100% BS and Lies to anyone with a brain

Do you have a brain?Yep. And I'd say that mine is functioning a lot better than yours is.:D

[iruinedyourday]

It's up to my discretion and none of your goddamn business who I have personal ties with. I have enough Facebook stalkers from these boards.

sounds like when I'm talking to you about anita sarkeesian...

[G13]

Yep. And I'd say that mine is functioning a lot better than yours is.:D

Trolling noted

Feel free to call me more names. It will hurt my feelings =/

[iruinedyourday]

Trolling noted

Feel free to call me more names. It will hurt my feelings =/

you're a cock you're a cock you're a cock

[G13]

you're a cock you're a cock you're a cock

You have 1100 posts since April and do they even count posts in RnF?

Lawl

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

sounds like when I'm talking to you about anita sarkeesian...

You'd see correlation between anything if it'd suit your purposes.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Lawl like I give a fuck about your Facebook

You're a lying fucking fraud

Admit it

Yeah sure man. Deal with it?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Yeah sure man. Deal with it?

In fact I'm in on it. Made a fucking mint so far. If you think that's something just wait till the upcoming Halloween disaster in Vegas coming up. Shit will blow your mind.

[G13]

Yeah sure man. Deal with it?

You claimed to have a personal connection to an event that proves it really happened

Prove it

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

You claimed to have a personal connection to an event that proves it really happened

Prove it

Mishkan Israel was where she taught. That's all the info I'm gonna give you. If you can't connect the rest of the dots on your own that's on you.

[Patriam1066]

So you have the answers to...

At what temperature does jet fuel burn? What temperature is the melting point in the steel used to construct the towers.

Explain tower 7?

You realize that before steel actually becomes molten, it loses strength right? You realize that when you get steel to 700 degrees, it's not going to hold up a tower any longer? Go hang onto a street sign, and then raise the middle of the pole to 1500 degrees and see if it continues to hold you up. As for Tower 7, who the fuck knows. The planes registered a seismic impact, maybe they went down from that?

Main problem with 9/11 conspiracies:

You're telling me that EVERYONE in the NYPD and NYFD is a big piece of shit and was involved in some elaborate cover up. I get it, you think our incompetent dip shit government is capable of something nefarious and evil. You're probably thinking CIA. But fire departments, especially large ones, have investigators who aren't fucking idiots. They know arson. They know explosives. You're telling me that HUNDREDS of police officers and firefighters died and their brothers covered up a massive conspiracy that got them killed. Sorry, but fire departments wouldn't protect the CIA at the expense of their own. You've clearly never known any firemen.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

I guess all of those guys who took back the plane that went down in Pennsylvania were in on it too. They didn't love their families, they wanted to serve their country by being complicit to the murder of 3000 of their fellow citizens. So devoted to this cause were they, that they volunteered for a certain death.

9/11 wasn't an inside job. You know this too. You've implicitly denied the US' guilt by continuing to live here. If you truly believed this, you'd be moving to Canada, just like thousands did during Vietnam. Not to mention the numerous other countries you'd go to.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

You realize that before steel actually becomes molten, it loses strength right? You realize that when you get steel to 700 degrees, it's not going to hold up a tower any longer? Go hang onto a street sign, and then raise the middle of the pole to 1500 degrees and see if it continues to hold you up. As for Tower 7, who the fuck knows. The planes registered a seismic impact, maybe they went down from that?

Main problem with 9/11 conspiracies:

You're telling me that EVERYONE in the NYPD and NYFD is a big piece of shit and was involved in some elaborate cover up. I get it, you think our incompetent dip shit government is capable of something nefarious and evil. You're probably thinking CIA. But fire departments, especially large ones, have investigators who aren't fucking idiots. They know arson. They know explosives. You're telling me that HUNDREDS of police officers and firefighters died and their brothers covered up a massive conspiracy that got them killed. Sorry, but fire departments wouldn't protect the CIA at the expense of their own. You've clearly never known any firemen.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

I guess all of those guys who took back the plane that went down in Pennsylvania were in on it too. They didn't love their families, they wanted to serve their country by being complicit to the murder of 3000 of their fellow citizens. So devoted to this cause were they, that they volunteered for a certain death.

9/11 wasn't an inside job. You know this too. You've implicitly denied the US' guilt by continuing to live here. If you truly believed this, you'd be moving to Canada, just like thousands did during Vietnam. Not to mention the numerous other countries you'd go to.

Someone didn't read my later post clarifying the context. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm a skeptical individual who is interested in learning. When I ask why/how, I'm not asking because I dont believe you, I'm asking because I like to expand my knowlege.

[G13]

You realize that before steel actually becomes molten, it loses strength right? You realize that when you get steel to 700 degrees, it's not going to hold up a tower any longer? Go hang onto a street sign, and then raise the middle of the pole to 1500 degrees and see if it continues to hold you up. As for Tower 7, who the fuck knows. The planes registered a seismic impact, maybe they went down from that?

Main problem with 9/11 conspiracies:

You're telling me that EVERYONE in the NYPD and NYFD is a big piece of shit and was involved in some elaborate cover up. I get it, you think our incompetent dip shit government is capable of something nefarious and evil. You're probably thinking CIA. But fire departments, especially large ones, have investigators who aren't fucking idiots. They know arson. They know explosives. You're telling me that HUNDREDS of police officers and firefighters died and their brothers covered up a massive conspiracy that got them killed. Sorry, but fire departments wouldn't protect the CIA at the expense of their own. You've clearly never known any firemen.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

I guess all of those guys who took back the plane that went down in Pennsylvania were in on it too. They didn't love their families, they wanted to serve their country by being complicit to the murder of 3000 of their fellow citizens. So devoted to this cause were they, that they volunteered for a certain death.

9/11 wasn't an inside job. You know this too. You've implicitly denied the US' guilt by continuing to live here. If you truly believed this, you'd be moving to Canada, just like thousands did during Vietnam. Not to mention the numerous other countries you'd go to.

Except that steel and concrete also disperse heat. There were steel sheers also put in place to meld the steel beams and concrete floors together.

You're claims were already addressed and debunked in a previous post

[radditsu]

Ive seen a ton of maddox lately. Weird.

[G13]

Mishkan Israel was where she taught. That's all the info I'm gonna give you. If you can't connect the rest of the dots on your own that's on you.

The names are public record

Naming a public building in CT proves nothing

[JayN]

"V

TO ALL PATRIOTS:

SPEAK RADICALLY - SPEAK TRUTH.

REMEMBER:

REVOLUTION ALWAYS MEANS SACRIFICE.



IN 1776, THE REVOLUTION WAS JUSTIFIABLE,

IN 2014, EVEN MORE SO . . .

Our Forefathers knew what they had to do to root out corruption, to defend themselves against the encroachments to their Liberty, to defend against Tyranny.

THE TIME FOR TALK IS THROUGH!
OUR FOREFATHERS DEFENDED LIBERTY BY TAKING THE OFFENSE.

HAVE COURAGE, STAND STRONG, AND DO THE SAME.

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

A time to be born, and a time to die; A time to love, and a time to hate;

A TIME TO KILL

A TIME OF WAR

THAT TIME IS NOW.

SLUG THE SLUGS AND SLUG THEM NOW! TAKE THEM OUT!

OUR FOREFATHERS SACRIFICED THIER BLOOD FOR LIBERTY -

WILL YOU DO THE SAME?

AMERICA NEEDS YOU FOR SUCH A TIME AS THIS.

Again,

AMERICA NEEDS YOU. DEFEND HER. NOW IS THE TIME!

CURRENT LEADERS OF THE LIBERTY MOVEMENT ARE:

Dr. RON PAUL

Gov. JESSE VENTURA

LEW ROCKWELL

and, of course,

Revolutionary ALEX JONES

THESE MEN ARE TO BE COMMENDED AND HONORED FOR THIER WORK IN DEFENDING AND PROMOTING LIBERTY, BUT NOW, IN ADDITION, THE LIBERTY MOVEMENT NEEDS MILITARY LEADERS AND SOLDIERS.

Again,

(EVERY PART OF OUR SYSTEM HAS FAILED AND THERE IS SEVERE CORRUPTION AT ALL LEVELS)

THEREFORE, THE LIBERTY MOVEMENT NEEDS MILITARY LEADERS, STRATEGISTS, AND SOLDIERS WHO CAN BEGIN TO MOVE.

THAT MEANS:

FIRST AND FOREMOST - DECLARING INDEPENDENCE FROM WASHINGTON D.C., that is, DECLARING INDEPENDENCE FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT (INDIVIDUALLY and/or as INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITIES, and/or INDIVIDUAL STATES)

THAT ALSO MEANS:

TAKING THE OFFENSE.

ELIMINATING THE ENEMY

a. ELIMINATING CRIMINAL "LAW ENFORCEMENT" (including TSA)

b. ELIMINATING CRIMINAL SENATORS AND CONGRESSMAN

SECURING COMPOUNDS, TOWNS, COUNTIES, STATES, TERRITORIES, etc.

DESTROYING ALL PUBLIC SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS, etc.

MANY POLICE ARE ARROGANT, LYING, SADISTIC SLUGS. Many of you know this from first hand experience.

Many of you know firsthand the State of Corruption within Law Enforcement.



In addition, HISTORY HAS SHOWN: THE CIA IS AN EVIL, CORRUPT ORGANIZATION -
WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THE CIA, TODAY?

ALL MILITARY LEADERS KNOW THIS: YOU AIM FOR THE HEAD.

DEFEND LIBERTY BY TAKING THE OFFENSE!

APPEAL TO HEAVEN! RISE UP! DEFEND LIBERTY!

REFER TO YOURSELF AS, "THE AMERICANS" AND LEAVE THE SIGN OF THE 'V' WHEREVER YOU ARE VICTORIOUS AND THE LANDS YOU CLAIM AND OCCUPY!

MAY GOD RICHLY BLESS YOU ALL IN THIS WAR TO SAVE THE REPUBLIC!



GOD SAVE OUR FUTURE! "

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[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

The names are public record

Naming a public building in CT proves nothing

It's called cross referencing the casualty report with the list of students. You are completely full of shit. I'm done with you now.

[G13]

Mishkan Israel was where she taught. That's all the info I'm gonna give you. If you can't connect the rest of the dots on your own that's on you.

There were 26 people that supposedly died at Sandy Hook

You claim to have a personal connection with (2)? which proves it really happened

Why are you lying?

[G13]

It's called cross referencing the casualty report with the list of students. You are completely full of shit. I'm done with you now.

You're just dodging because you are lying

Public record

2 names out of 26 right?

Which ones?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Kid can't figure out which two students whom died also attended the Hebrew school. It's not like you're sifting through thousands of names or anything.

Like I said. Done with you.

[G13]

Kid can't figure out which two students whom died also attended the Hebrew school. It's not like you're sifting through thousands of names or anything.

Like I said. Done with you.

You're a fraud and a liar

Here is the list of the 10 female child "victims"

1) Charlotte Bacon

2) Olivia Engel

3) Catherine Hubbard

4) Avielle Richman

5) Jessica Rekos

6) Josephine Gay

7) Caroline Previdi

8) Ana Marquez-Greene

9) Grace McDonnell

10) Emilie Parker

You claim to have a personal connection with two of these victims

Which two?

[radditsu]

Richman and...engel? Those seem mosesy

[G13]

Richman and...engel? Those seem mosesy

Still alive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv4-5yQL3-Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaLGKGYZLH0

Once you understand that the photos the media used of the "victims" were old and taken when these kids were a little younger, the pieces start to come together

That's the same Superbowl where the power went out at 13:22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiRyp_DMc4Y

Skull and Bones 322

As shown in The Dark Knight Rises

http://johnthewitness.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/batman07.jpg

Aurora also shown in the same movie

http://rense.com/general95/auroradarknight.jpg

Sandy Hook also shown in The Dark Knight Rises

http://rense.com/general95/hook%202.jpg

Wake the fuck up

[Patriam1066]

Still alive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv4-5yQL3-Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaLGKGYZLH0

Once you understand that the photos the media used of the "victims" were old and taken when these kids were a little younger, the pieces start to come together

That's the same Superbowl where the power went out at 13:22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiRyp_DMc4Y

Skull and Bones 322

As shown in The Dark Knight Rises

http://johnthewitness.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/batman07.jpg

Aurora also shown in the same movie

http://rense.com/general95/auroradarknight.jpg

Sandy Hook also shown in The Dark Knight Rises

http://rense.com/general95/hook%202.jpg

Wake the fuck up

The people in the lab coats are trying to help you.

Nostradamus also predicted 9/11 and Sandy Hook. I guess he was responsible.

Also maddox has some funny shit from time to time. He's too neurotic for me on most occasion though

[Tasslehofp99]

damn, this thread owns so far

[Tasslehofp99]

I'm into these conspiracy theories as well. I don't really know which ones I believe to be truth or not but there has to be something to at least SOME of them.


I for one don't believe Osama bin Laden was ever killed by navy seals in Pakistan.


What about you G13?

[iruinedyourday]

I'm into these conspiracy theories as well. I don't really know which ones I believe to be truth or not but there has to be something to at least SOME of them.


I for one don't believe Osama bin Laden was ever killed by navy seals in Pakistan.


What about you G13?

lmao

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40992000/jpg/_40992770_tim_moody.jpg

[radditsu]

The people in the lab coats are trying to help you.

Nostradamus also predicted 9/11 and Sandy Hook. I guess he was responsible.

Also maddox has some funny shit from time to time. He's too neurotic for me on most occasion though

His podcast is ok.

[iruinedyourday]

Maddox is a little like classic online nerd, 'I hate this, I hate that, dont tell me what to do, this is stupid, your a jerk, hes a jerk, q, q, q... ' but.. hes still funny so I'm glad hes getting some clicks on teh webz.

[ManosMan]

Why am I seeing articles that don't have an all black background? When did this happen? I don't like it.

[G13]

The people in the lab coats are trying to help you.

Nostradamus also predicted 9/11 and Sandy Hook. I guess he was responsible.

Also maddox has some funny shit from time to time. He's too neurotic for me on most occasion though

Herp Derp

Here is raw video of The Boston Bombing where fake blood powder is thrown over victims. Add water and viola. Fake bright red blood that never coagulates and turns dark. Keep rewinding the video at 41 seconds if you need to. It's damning proof it's a hoax

The guy even points at the camera because he realizes they are being filmed by an amateur cameraman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJFSjJKna70

More evidence of fake blood. It also shows the guy with torn clothes and no injuries running from the scene. Wake the fuck up dipshit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRrKSI4ex2o

Here are pictures of the Bombing Scene as it was happening. Proof it's an obvious hoax

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF4j8ywXYVQ

Torn clothes. No injuries

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/17/article-2310596-1954D90A000005DC-511_470x423.jpg

Runs away from scene. He shows up later walking around.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1092951/thumbs/o-BOSTON-MARATHON-BOMBING-RUNNING-MAN-570.jpg?2

Torn clothes. No injuries

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2013/04/16/1226621/843626-boston.jpg

Proof the military uses crisis actors to conduct drills

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSLm_yWqADc

No blood trail. Loose tourniquet. Both femoral arteries allegedly severed. Notice the healthy color of his lips. He is completely lucid. He is not in shock. He would have been dead in minutes in reality if both femoral arteries were severed. They would not have put a real amputee victim in a wheelchair sitting down. It's called gravity. Bone structure of the leg is also incorrect. It's a prop. He was already an amputee. Crisis Actor.

http://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/jeff-bauman-long-shot.jpeg

Here is a video where a cop stops the wheelchair and fixes his prop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj0-Jd3nwlo

Here is a video that completely exposes the woman who in the green stripe/prop purse that spilled fake blood everywhere. if you watch the first video you will see the tube coming out the purse. She also changes injury positions multiple times

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0mmLPzp7Zs

Fake blood packets

http://nodisinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/plasticbagblood.png

There is Truth and there is Untruth

You are being played. Now you can sit there and derp it up or use your tiny fucking brain and snap out of your coma. Choice is yours.

P.S. If you try and come back at me with some BS made up story that you have a personal connection with one of the "victims" of the fake Boston Bombing you can go fuck yourself

[iruinedyourday]

If youre this fucking dumb to believe all this stupid shit, why cant you just believe us when we say, you are fucking stupid as fuck and should just stick to porting in EQ?

[ManosMan]

I'm actually kinda giggling at the idea that the government would willingly kill thousands of people in 9/11 but then would go to extremely great lengths to fake the Boston bombing instead of just putting down a couple presser cookers and actually killing people.

[indiscriminate_hater]

I'm actually kinda giggling at the idea that the government would willingly kill thousands of people in 9/11 but then would go to extremely great lengths to fake the Boston bombing instead of just putting down a couple presser cookers and actually killing people.

Well duh nobody actually died in 9-11 the guhv just hired crisis actors and paid them to move to thailand and live the rest of their days there. Learn2truth

[indiscriminate_hater]

G13 is singlehandedly carrying this thread

[Dior]

What's the point? I mean, let's say 9/11 was indeed perpetrated by the G man. JFK was killed by the G man. Sandy Hook and the Boston bombing was a hoax perpetrated by the G man. What then would be your course of action? If you really do believe all these things to be incontrovertible truth, then why are you writing in a gaming forum, for a game very few people play, in the least serious of that forum? Are you trying to recruit people for some army? The whole "WAKE UP PEOPLES OMG" shtick is usually heard from people trying to sell something (ei Maddox, Limbaugh, Savage etc.) Unless your thing is on some hippy dippy "I just want to, you know, let people know about the man, man" shit, then fine. If not, what are you selling? What exactly is it you're trying to accomplish.

Further, why the fuck aren't you doing something about it? Scared? Too busy playing da vidyagames? What exactly is the point? Take down the gubments? Replace them with people you think are somehow incapable of doing the exact same shit?

Inquiring minds want to know

As a sidenote, any fuckface that says all these events are to "take mi wepons" is fucking autistic. Obama, along with Bush, have helped arms manufacturers out big time with their retarded rhetoric. Look at gun sales in the '90s and then compare them to post 9/11 sales. The best way to get people to buy shit is to scare them into thinking their toys will be taken away.

[iruinedyourday]

Well duh nobody actually died in 9-11 the guhv just hired crisis actors and paid them to move to thailand and live the rest of their days there. Learn2truth

actors are reliable secret keepers.

[iruinedyourday]

Especially unemployed ones that cant get a job & you've never heard of.

[Non Quixote]

Okay. The US government is actually run by an unknown conspiracy behind closed doors. Every mass murder and/or catastrophe in US history is fake (along with the moon landing). Elvis and JFK are alive and well, living la vida loca in an underground bunker at area 51 and jamming with all of the aliens that didn't get autopsied. At least half of the folks living in the US have been part of a government conspiracy at some point, and are keeping it mum.

Now what? Is there a plan to bring these horrible conspirators to their knees? Or should we all just build little compounds in Montana and hoard guns and ammo for the coming apocalypse?

Do tinfoil hats really work?

[Sidelle]

There were 26 people that supposedly died at Sandy Hook

You claim to have a personal connection with (2)? which proves it really happened

Why are you lying?

At first I was like "what a nutjob", but then I was like "what the fuck". Can someone explain why these dead children sang at the superbowl in february 2013, two months after they died? Not sure if I can believe what I'm seeing.

I even found a more in-depth examination and comparison of the kids' photos at the time of the shootings to the kids from Sandy Hook at the super bowl. They look like the same kids, only several years older... but they're supposed to have died only two months earlier? What's going on here? :confused:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GQVRlEe2A94

Not really sure what to think yet but I gotta admit this evidence is interesting (and kinda creepy).

[Lune]

At first I was like "what a nutjob", but then I was like "what the fuck". Can someone explain why these dead children sang at the superbowl in february 2013, two months after they died? Not sure if I can believe what I'm seeing.

I even found a more in-depth examination and comparison of the kids' photos at the time of the shootings to the kids from Sandy Hook at the super bowl. They look like the same kids, only several years older... but they're supposed to have died only two months earlier? What's going on here? :confused:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GQVRlEe2A94

Not really sure what to think yet but I gotta admit this evidence is interesting (and kinda creepy).

They didn't sing at the fucking super bowl, because they aren't the same children. He just cherry-picked some passing similarities.

HAY LUK GUIZE, the kid from Sixth Sense grew up to be Mac on It's Always Sunny!

CONSPIRACY

http://i.imgur.com/AadJH9f.jpg

The real Haley Joel Osment got fat years ago.

[myriverse]

They did not, in fact, sing anywhere after they died. Those kids do not look anything like those that died. "Several years older?" bwahahahaha

[FoxxHound]

I just want to poop without aliens or shadow governments bothering me. Is that so much to ask?

[Dior]

I mean I'm not sure what I believe on the boston bombing and shit like that but I do know without a doubt that the government has carried out countless operations that had no problem killing innocent people, evading their privacy, funding militant projects that are committing genocide to earn more money, and these are indisputable facts.



I would never recruit, I just know that you cannot trust your own government and human nature is typically shit. Out of all the government officials someone is always going to be corrupt, especially when it comes to money and power. The best plan of action is to spread word of mouth, hopefully the more people that realize our government isn't here to exactly benefit all the people in the United States but more of the elite few. Our Federal Reserve is privately funded for God's sake. I don't think myself or anyone else is "scared", its more of tactics and being smart. You know the Government is one of the most powerful, if not more powerful source in the world. It takes money and more of the public as one standing up against the government for anything effective, which most people are too stupid to see the difference or simply are too content with living a shitty life and don't comprehend freedom. When the government is telling you when you have to contribute, how you have to contribute, influencing media, politics, drafting people in previous wars, storing all your information, you really don't have freedom do you?

But for now, the smartest option is to try and decipher between truth and fiction for yourself. For me, I try to stay low key, I have no affiliation with any political branches nor give a shit about current political leaders. I make sure I never have any run ins with any government officials, I spread word of mouth to other people I know and take in their opinions on the matter. If a time came where there was an uprising and the government came in to take all freedoms away, I would do what I felt necessary. It really has nothing to do with being scared but being smart and this isn't the movies where some dude pops up and kills the whole corrupt government and has a coup. You have to bide time, and hope that the people don't trust the government anymore and want a change. And yes, I do agree that most likely that if this government was ever overthrown or another form of government was established then it would have corrupt people too and before long, it would be a similar situation. Majority of governments are corrupt, bottom line and human nature is shit.

Ill leave you with a line from one of my favorite movies, Killing them Softly-
My friend, Thomas Jefferson is an American saint because he wrote the words 'All men are created equal', words he clearly didn't believe since he allowed his own children to live in slavery. He's a rich white snob who's sick of paying taxes to the Brits. So, yeah, he writes some lovely words and aroused the rabble and they went and died for those words while he sat back and drank his wine and fucked his slave girl. This guy wants to tell me we're living in a community? Don't make me laugh. I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business. Now fuckin' pay me.

Jesus Christ stapled to a Christmas tree with dildos made of iron, you just said a whole lot of nothing. Just say you want to go the hippy dippy route instead of the long winded excuse.

My hope is that one day, one of you fine folk actually do something worth noting and they point to this thread as the impetus for the madness. When they interview me and ask me why I pushed someone to go nuts, I'll look directly at the camera and say "Everquest made me do it" and they ban Everquest from ever being played. That's my end game folks. To be bring our pixelated world down to the ground.

But since you put a quote fit for a fedora tipping m'lad, I'll respond in kind.

"Time to nut up or shut up" -The Greatest Actor Ever to Grace Your Eye Meat, Woody Harrelson as "Tallahasee" in Zombieland

[Misto]

To be bring our pixelated world down to the ground To be bring our pixelated world down to the ground To be bring our pixelated world down to the ground To be bring our pixelated world down to the ground To be bring our pixelated world down to the ground To be bring our pixelated world down to the ground To be bring our pixelated world down to the ground.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-M4WXov2lM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb0VQTMKNR8

[G13]

They didn't sing at the fucking super bowl, because they aren't the same children. He just cherry-picked some passing similarities.

HAY LUK GUIZE, the kid from Sixth Sense grew up to be Mac on It's Always Sunny!

CONSPIRACY

http://i.imgur.com/AadJH9f.jpg

The real Haley Joel Osment got fat years ago.

No kids died at Sandy Hook you bozo

It's all a scam. Use your brain. Instead of COTH ducking and farming pixels, take a step back and critically analyze shit. Stop being led around by your emotions like a dumb animal.

Adam Lanza weighed a buck twenty soaking wet. Do you actually believe this KID carried multiple weapons and massive amounts of ammo (more than a Navy Seal) and shot with 99% accuracy? With NO TRAINING? Not believable.

The Firehouse evidence alone at Sandy Hoax blows it wide open. They filmed a lot of the grief shots at the same spot. The crowd of people walking around in circles. They even used a green screen. The problem with that is it created several anomalies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbGfYMBh5Fo

This video is extremely important because it proves without any doubt CNN and other media outlets used a green screen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF_DK1g4OIA

Here is that corner from a different angle. Pay close attention to the guy in the blue jacket with the water bottle at 1:54. You will see him slide to right about a foot without moving a muscle. He magically glides over to the right. The evidence is overwhelming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64gK9z8HJdk

You have to take a step back and look at the evidence as a whole. When you do, shit doesn't add up at all. You have to understand, what you believe is energy. It molds and shapes the future. Your attention is energy. It molds and shapes the future. Objects that exist and move within the 3rd and 4th dimension create the future which is the 5th dimension. The elite that really control this world are harnessing that energy.

Sandy Hoax = Gun Grab

Boston Bombing Hoax = Dry run for nation wide martial law. Millions of sheep stayed in their homes as cops busted down doors, fully armed, without a warrant. They locked that entire city down. Millions complied without a whimper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03UMewFYD6w

Video of corrupt cops busting down doors without a warrant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MezLoczjfY

You've got to wake up. Stop with the attempts at being a bozo comedian. You look like a fucking retard.

The thing with the Boston Bombing is there are multiple shots and video of the raw blast scene. Clearly nobody is really injured. If a real bomb had gone off there, it would be absolute carnage. Pieces of flesh all over their bodies would have been ripped off. These bombs were supposedly filled with projectiles like nails. The nails wouldn't magically just target legs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lrwr34adgE

The evidence is all there. For instance people with no visible injuries were being treated before Bauman, who supposedly just had his legs blown off. Not believable. There is also a photo of Bauman which shows the strap on his fake blasted limb. It's all a fraud.

http://www.trentslist.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Jeff-or-nick.jpg

The windows at the store behind the fake explosion were blown out. Not blown in which would have been indicative of a concussive blast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOpMYz7bjuI

This video pretty much sums it up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj19I9OQ99k

Now if you want to reply with name calling or buffoonery feel free. It has zero effect on me. I've woken up and I'm trying to wake your dumb ass up. Humans have a herd mentality. For the most part we go along to get along. You're told how to think by Pop Culture, Government controlled indoctrination centers you call "school" and more and more lately by the sports "media". By controlling the way you think, these criminals control you.

As a parting gift, here is a video of James Foley's "siblings" being interviewed by Katie Couric. Smoking gun evidence is rampant. You'll notice that they are not in their home, even though that's what you're led to believe. It's a hastily constructed set. In the beginning of the interview one of the picture props falls off the wall and these two people don't even bat an eye. On the contrary, you will see the woman try really hard to hide her duping delight smiles.

Look at the lamp. Look at the furniture. Is that how two young sophisticated people would furnish their home? Not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv8oclY7h0Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmeDwsguvkA

[Lune]

It's all a scam. Use your brain. blablablabla

lol, learn some critical thinking skills. Clearly this was masterminded to look like a conspiracy to erode your trust in our national institutions. IE the boston bombers had a third accomplice who dumped red paint on the pavement after the bombing, so that the most clever among us would notice and blame the government.

I'd encourage you to learn about the devious lemurians who live under Mt. Shasta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemuria_%28continent%29#Lemuria_and_Mount_Shasta). On a clear moonlight night or still dawn you can see their ships leaving the mountain:

http://i.imgur.com/cMpnf9g.jpg

They are clearly responsible, because the less people trust our national institutions, the more vulnerable we are to Lemurian infiltration. Open your eyes you fucking sheep.

[G13]

lol, learn some critical thinking skills. Clearly this was masterminded to look like a conspiracy to erode your trust in our national institutions. IE the boston bombers had a third accomplice who dumped red paint on the pavement after the bombing, so that the most clever among us would notice and blame the government.

I'd encourage you to learn about the devious lemurians who live under Mt. Shasta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemuria_%28continent%29#Lemuria_and_Mount_Shasta). On a clear moonlight night or still dawn you can see their ships leaving the mountain:

http://i.imgur.com/cMpnf9g.jpg

They are clearly responsible, because the less people trust our national institutions, the more vulnerable we are to Lemurian infiltration. Open your eyes you fucking sheep.

Pure 100% Buffoonery

The evidence that these are hoaxes is undeniable. How long did it take you to come up with that nonsensical gibberish? What a joke.

Further proof. The evidence is undeniable. It's not my problem you are mouth breathing, knuckle dragging simpleton. Instead of trying to refute, you try to mock. It only makes you look like the fool to people in the know. I mean it's so laughably obvious these are hoaxes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbGfYMBh5Fo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgTpwqDCWmA

BTW where is that lying POS fraud who claimed to have a personal connection with the Sandy Hoax victims? Oh that's right, they put up a bunch of BS excuses using insults as smoke screen, turned tail and ran because they are a lying fucking fraud.

[Misto]

Haha.

Holy shit. The comment in that video.

At 3:15 the guy walking towards the guy in the blue jacket on the right side of the screen takes like 20 steps almost like he's on a treadmill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbGfYMBh5Fo

[Barkingturtle]

The question is, how can the Eagles make it impossible to listen to "One of the Nights" on Youtube, but the shadowy figures perpetrating these global conspiracies are helpless to have these links removed. Maybe we should take a long, har look at the Eagles.

The other question is, have any of you ever actually seen a sheep's eyes? I doubt it, because if you had you wouldn't want them opened. Sheeps have weird eyes.

[Misto]

Because the record companies would should so many lawyers up Youtubes ass that they'd get sepsis and die.

What is the United States government going to say to Google?

Start removing videos without their knowledgge? Or say, "Hey, we fucked up and our hoax got exposed. Remove pls catonkeyboardz."

[Misto]

should = shove

For the sake of spelling.

[Polyphemous]

So you have the answers to...

At what temperature does jet fuel burn? What temperature is the melting point in the steel used to construct the towers.

Explain tower 7?


Steel doesn't have to melt to lose strength. It can lose its temper far below its melting point, which is what happened to the structural steel in the towers.

[Polyphemous]

Then how do you explain all the predictive programming in cartoons, movies and TV shows leading up to 9/11


Pretty much every disaster that could happen, has happened in some form of media. If it wasn't iconic or gut-wrenching it wouldn't have been used by a writer, and it wouldn't have been used as a target. No one writes about or commits terrorism consisting of crashing a VW bug at 30 mph into a highway rest stop.

[Sidelle]

Holy shit, it's Barkingturtle! Seeing him again is like seeing a unicorn or bigfoot irl.

[Sidelle]

Barkingturtle = double rainbow.

[Azure]

Yeah, actively removing and censoring information created a Streisand effect. More widely distributing and preserving said information. The best thing for shifty hoaxsters to do is to ignore valid skeptism entirely. Or to subvert it with misinformation or trying to ridicule it covertly. Or to flood other more shiny information over the tubes.

All of wich happens. The tubes are specifcally flawed by design to facilitate this. My hunch is that in googles case this is purposeful. As well as obfuscated.

[Tasslehofp99]

Haha.

Holy shit. The comment in that video.

At 3:15 the guy walking towards the guy in the blue jacket on the right side of the screen takes like 20 steps almost like he's on a treadmill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbGfYMBh5Fo

lol holy shit I see what you're talking about, that is fucking weird

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Haha.

Holy shit. The comment in that video.

At 3:15 the guy walking towards the guy in the blue jacket on the right side of the screen takes like 20 steps almost like he's on a treadmill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbGfYMBh5Fo

lol holy shit I see what you're talking about, that is fucking weird

Regarding the giant cop, the treadmill man, the leg going through the wood and the people seemingly walking into the wall, as well as the distance to the shed I suggest you look into what happens when you take a wide-angle telephoto lens, tilt it at a downward angle and zoom. Suffice to say, depth perception nightmare is an understatement. The cop car on the furthest left in the background is easily over one hundred feet from the building but it doesn't look that way because of the angle, the same for people "walking through the wall", it's much more plausible to consider that there's another vehicle parked around the corner that people have to weave around to continue in that direction. Just look at this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64gK9z8HJdk) that claims the very same thing, pay attention to the second overhead shot, even with the black SUV 15 feet away from the wall, several people have to go around it to get where they are going, the angle in the rest of the video would not allow you to see anything that's there, otherwise you'd also be able to see the end of the building that finishes the L shape of the structure.

The blue hue on the house/pant leg could be explained by a green-screen, however it could also be explained by several other visual related phenomenon. Notice the man in blue right of center, when he turns, his water bottle and white skin on his hand do not exhibit the blue hue, only the left half of the recording suffers from this due to the distortion of the lens, it happens to everyone walking by and not just to lights/whites. On the topic of green screen, that wouldn't explain the woman's leg going through the wood, again it's simply an optical illusion.

There's a reason for everything that happens. Sometimes you just need to think about it for a few minutes instead of trying to jump to a conclusion (Steel beams melt at 2750F, that doesn't mean they are at 100% strength at 2749F *forehead smack*). You feel kind of silly when you realize things like that.

Since it's only a 40 minute drive for me, at some point in the near future I may even go to the site to photograph the area just to see with my own two eyes the optical illusion with that very same shed. I'd be doing that for me not for you guys though. :p

[Patriam1066]

The conspiracy goes back even further than you know G13:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saHs6J0OXVI

Holy shit Baphomet must be after us

[paulgiamatti]

Suffice to say, depth perception nightmare is an understatement.

The Michael Brown shooting, which to imbeciles like G13 is undoubtedly just another conspiracy, is also a great example where a distance seems very simple to determine on video but the angle makes it nearly impossible to come up with an accurate figure. Dozens of experts have been unable to square the distance between Brown and the police officers in that video.

[G13]

Steel doesn't have to melt to lose strength. It can lose its temper far below its melting point, which is what happened to the structural steel in the towers.

Again, these bogus NIST report contentions have already been debunked in this thread

1) NIST only allowed 3 weeks for a public peer review of their bogus report. This was a report that consisted of 10K pages. It took years and over 200K man hours to produce this report. Yet they gave only 3 weeks to peer review it before proclaiming it was "case closed science"

2) The assumptions NIST used for when the fires started and how hot they were burning completely contradicted eyewitness reports

3) The NIST report also contradicts itself on when fires started on specific floors and what temperatures they were

4) NIST made wildly unsupported assumptions on how much flammable and combustable material actually occupied certain floors and relied upon eyewitness information to make these assumptions of people that didn't even work in these areas on those floors

5) NIST only assumed RDX was used an explosive. This is in violation of NFPA protocol. That's case closed right there that NIST is nothing more than a Government smoke screen

6) NIST wrote a legal disclaimer in their report which states engineers cannot be held responsible for falsifying evidence

7) NIST states in their report that no tall building had ever collapsed due to fire (which is true). Amazing that we had 3 major engineering structural firsts in the history of building making on 9/11) yet the media was reporting foreknowledge of these impending collapses before these building actually fell.

BBC even reported that building 7 collapsed when it was still standing. The reporter is reporting that it collapsed while you can still see building 7 standing in the background.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP2t9nq9fI

8) NIST acknowledges that the first 100 ft of the building 7 collapse happened at free fall speed. Fire cannot do this.

9) No engineer that worked on the report was ever given access to all of the information and all of the evidence. They were grouped in bubbles.

10) The NIST computer models of the collapse did not match the actual collapse

11) NIST has never published their modeling data. It has never been peer reviewed

12) NIST assumed no thermal conductivity of steel or concrete in their model. Steel doesn't conduct heat?

13) NIST doctored their model to get maximum thermal expansion. They never even calculated the concrete in their assumptions when concrete has the same thermal efficiency as steel. They expand at the same rate. Why do you think they reinforce steel with concrete in the first place? The concrete adds lateral support to resist thermal expansion

14) NIST completely the sheer studs that were used to reinforce the concrete and steel. Why would they do that?

15) NIST completely ignored eyewitness accounts of explosions

And to try to claim that all the 9/11 Predictive Programming (with very specific references to demolition and terrorism leading up to the false flag attack that are littered throughout all music/movies for literally decades) is just "coincidence theory" and laughably naive. 9/11 has to be the most popular date in movie history. What amazing accuracy. All random chance or something.

If you're a betting man you should ask The Beastie Boys who they like in the 5th

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/es5esx8xsow/0.jpg

[Dior]

Is flying a plane into a tower really that complicated of an idea?

Why would they have to blow the towers at all? There were no amount of firefighters that could have turned that inferno off, unless anyone is suggesting that the planes flying into the towers were also a gubment illusion, the amount of firefighters needed to turn that fire off would be massive. Them towers were coming down regardless. You think a tower that size would simply be swept up and put to working order again?

Also, why would they need to bring the towers down? Unless the head conspirator was Michael Bay, I don't see the need for anyone needing the towers to come down. The planes flying into the towers would be excuse enough for 'Murika to start another war on the world.

I know everyone is going for that 2006 gold standard of trolling here, but ya gotta bring something more than the stupid shit others have used before.

And I'm still waiting for one of you pussies to do something about DA GUBMENT CONTRLIN UR BRANS WIF THE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDIA. Please guys, make this thread amazing. Do something and record. Do it for me. Do it. For America.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Is flying a plane into a tower really that complicated of an idea?

Why would they have to blow the towers at all? There were no amount of firefighters that could have turned that inferno off, unless anyone is suggesting that the planes flying into the towers were also a gubment illusion, the amount of firefighters needed to turn that fire off would be massive. Them towers were coming down regardless. You think a tower that size would simply be swept up and put to working order again?

not always... (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-25_Empire_State_Building_crash)

[G13]

Regarding the giant cop, the treadmill man, the leg going through the wood and the people seemingly walking into the wall, as well as the distance to the shed I suggest you look into what happens when you take a wide-angle telephoto lens, tilt it at a downward angle and zoom. Suffice to say, depth perception nightmare is an understatement. The cop car on the furthest left in the background is easily over one hundred feet from the building but it doesn't look that way because of the angle, the same for people "walking through the wall", it's much more plausible to consider that there's another vehicle parked around the corner that people have to weave around to continue in that direction. Just look at this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64gK9z8HJdk) that claims the very same thing, pay attention to the second overhead shot, even with the black SUV 15 feet away from the wall, several people have to go around it to get where they are going, the angle in the rest of the video would not allow you to see anything that's there, otherwise you'd also be able to see the end of the building that finishes the L shape of the structure.

Oh hey it's the lying fucking fraud

/wave

Sorry, you can't debunk it. It clearly shows in the video how far away and what angle that shed was to the firehouse. The entire side of the firehouse is nowhere to be seen in the shot. Given the angle that's not possible.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/wncB44n_nqE/hqdefault.jpg

Look at the angle of the shot. Now look and see how far away the shed is. Stop being a lying fucking fraud pushing feeble attempts at debunking Truth

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/oTy2ZFC_sNA/maxresdefault.jpg

Look above their heads. It's completely washed out. Pay close attention to the branches in the planter. It's case closed that Sandy Hook is a fraud.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/3lbUM-go0r8/maxresdefault.jpg

This video is the smoking gun of a green screen. Specifically the part where you see the people walk literally through the car in the front of the shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_8rrTeWt_w

Go ahead and pause it at 1:43-1:45. Look at the right corner. You can't debunk that. Period.

Pause it at 2:35. You're telling me the guy doesn't budge? A car drives up behind you that close and you don't move a muscle? it's the camera lens right? You lying fucking fraud. Next you'll be claiming you have a personal connection that guy and talked to him and that there is nothing to see here move along.

The planter alone is also a smoking gun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3p66gbFAT4

Notice the branches during the green screen prop shots. See above picture

Pause it at 1:04 of this video. It's just dirt. You can't debunk that.

Watch this video from 30-48 seconds. You will see a clear distinction between the 2 planters. This is like catching the bank robber in the vault stuffing money in the bag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_8rrTeWt_w

Notice the complete lack of branches in the shots at the actual location

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2m8PkxcX8Tk/UTtzzJ1R8uI/AAAAAAAAPcs/KIQIiZ1o4dM/s1600/Capture555.JPG

No branches at the actual location. Just dirt. A lens do that too?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9rhMpRpbVPU/UT3xMGuGF8I/AAAAAAAAPgY/REDpRfS1Ldc/s1600/5.JPG

A clear difference between the two

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ozjRYrer5J4/UUdsz7QLraI/AAAAAAAAPkc/DbYxy9rw9ew/s1600/432+-+Copy.JPG

You can't debunk that. It's 100% case closed evidence of green screen fakery used. Sandy Hook is nothing but a hoax.

Here is an even bigger smoking gun. Here is an overhead shot of the firehouse the day of the shooting. This is as events are happening. Literally. No real concrete information was known. Look to the right. You will exactly 26 christmas trees neatly stacked and prepared because this entire hoax was a preplanned domestic psyop.

The media says the trees were donated by an anonymous source for a vigil that happened later. Amazing to know the exact body count and have all the trees cut and ready within a couple of hours of the first 911 call. A lens do that too?

https://www.metabunk.org/data/MetaMirrorCache/contrailscience.com_skitch_Sandy_Hook_News_Chopper _Helicopter_b45833aebd8b213394fe12f512c451a6.jpg

The blue hue on the house/pant leg could be explained by a green-screen, however it could also be explained by several other visual related phenomenon. Notice the man in blue right of center, when he turns, his water bottle and white skin on his hand do not exhibit the blue hue, only the left half of the recording suffers from this due to the distortion of the lens, it happens to everyone walking by and not just to lights/whites. On the topic of green screen, that wouldn't explain the woman's leg going through the wood, again it's simply an optical illusion.

Notice the man in blue with the water bottle glide to the right magically

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF_DK1g4OIA

Go ahead. Replay it over and over from 18-21 seconds. You can't debunk that.

There's a reason for everything that happens. Sometimes you just need to think about it for a few minutes instead of trying to jump to a conclusion (Steel beams melt at 2750F, that doesn't mean they are at 100% strength at 2749F *forehead smack*). You feel kind of silly when you realize things like that.

Since it's only a 40 minute drive for me, at some point in the near future I may even go to the site to photograph the area just to see with my own two eyes the optical illusion with that very same shed. I'd be doing that for me not for you guys though. :p

The entire thing is a lying fucking fraud just like you

[Dior]

not always... (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-25_Empire_State_Building_crash)

Can't compare a fire started in a building to a huge plane smashing into a building.

Firefighters could work their way up a building slowly because the building is mostly intact. When a plane SWEEPS THE LEG JOHNNY of a building, there ain't shit they can do.

[G13]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ozjRYrer5J4/UUdsz7QLraI/AAAAAAAAPkc/DbYxy9rw9ew/s640/432+-+Copy.JPG

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9uF1h80ZFTk/UT0AsikeQrI/AAAAAAAAPeU/3Hgh1-1so1Q/s640/5y+-+Copy.JPG

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9-c7wRJ13us/UTz8YfEezAI/AAAAAAAAPeA/9gsW1T6afj8/s640/blue+screen.JPG

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-H18MwJXKPHM/UT0BMELxhtI/AAAAAAAAPec/qVjWFhRuEy0/s640/hh.JPG

The people that are walking in and out of the video on the right are walking into this area

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kYsEoX3AqgY/UT0KUqUZiCI/AAAAAAAAPf4/IjpfJKn92zs/s640/1214_firehouse2+-+Copy.jpg

Go ahead. Debunk that.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-H18MwJXKPHM/UT0BMELxhtI/AAAAAAAAPec/qVjWFhRuEy0/s640/hh.JPG
This image is neither zoomed nor shot at a downward angle. The only thing that's bunk is your comparison.

It's funny that the same person who thinks literally everything is a conspiracy, believes without question that Jesus was the son of God and rose from his grave because some guys 200 years later decided to write a book about it.

[radditsu]

Lol

[Dior]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-H18MwJXKPHM/UT0BMELxhtI/AAAAAAAAPec/qVjWFhRuEy0/s640/hh.JPG
This image is neither zoomed nor shot at a downward angle. The only thing that's bunk is your comparison.

It's funny that the same person who thinks literally everything is a conspiracy, believes without question that Jesus was the son of God and rose from his grave because some guys 200 years later decided to write a book about it.

Whoa whoa now. Just because God raped his own mother to give birth to himself and then he died on the cross knowing he wouldn't die for your sins has nothing to do with conspiracies. It's a fact.

[radditsu]

Cameras are shitty when slowed down and analized.


Niccageyadontsay.jpg


Watch any football game on Saturday and Sunday. They zoom in or slow down the tape or use any sort of post processing effect and it looks a ton like all these video erroes we see. Cameras we use still are not near as fine tuned to the naked eye. Especially the shitty ones on helicopters and in the back of some jerkoffs news van.


Captain illusion away!

[G13]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-H18MwJXKPHM/UT0BMELxhtI/AAAAAAAAPec/qVjWFhRuEy0/s640/hh.JPG
This image is neither zoomed nor shot at a downward angle. The only thing that's bunk is your comparison.

It's funny that the same person who thinks literally everything is a conspiracy, believes without question that Jesus was the son of God and rose from his grave because some guys 200 years later decided to write a book about it.

Comically embarrassing response. You're wasting my time with your buffoonery.

Explain when they called in the landscapers to remove the branches in the planter. Was it before Rosen's interview at the Firehouse that day at around 10:40 AM which contradicts his testimony that he was with children in his house at that time, or did the landscapers remove the branches later for the mcdonnell fake grief scene? Did they plant some magical seeds to make branches grow in a matter of hours? What amazing technology!

See for yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lbUM-go0r8

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/3lbUM-go0r8/maxresdefault.jpg

See em? See how pretty that foliage is? How did it grow so fast from when Gene Rosen gave his interview? How does a zoom lens explain that? Also take note of where the camera is actually positioned. The guy in the blue jacket is right there to give you perspective. Pause the video at 14 seconds to see the shot.

Here is another shot of the real planter. Man those landscapers sure do work fast. Also take note of where the camera is positioned. You can see the white wall of the firehouse back there. They aren't using a zoom lens. It's completely debunks your flimsy strawman. Sandy Hook was a hoax.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9rhMpRpbVPU/UT3xMGuGF8I/AAAAAAAAPgY/REDpRfS1Ldc/s1600/5.JPG

Here is a picture of the planter. Note that it's just dirt.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/qw510c4cf4.jpg

Same angle. In this picture they are actually there at The Firehouse. See the white wall of the firehouse behind? You can't debunk it. Your claims that's it just a zoom lens is pure garbage that ignores mountains of evidence to the contrary. Note this same picture can be seen at a wider angle at 2:11 in the first video.

http://www.whale.to/c/mcdonnall6x5x5xNew%20Picture%20(1).jpg

You can't debunk it. The evidence is undeniable.

Pause the video at 19 seconds. Her face disappears on the far left. Look at how happy the Mcdonnell's look. It's Miller Time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbGfYMBh5Fo

Look at the clusterfuck of cars. What are they using the ambulance vehicles for? How are they going to get them out of that traffic jam to properly respond to a shooting?

http://riversong.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/fire-house-staging-area1.jpg

How does a zoom lens explain the magical slide by the guy in the blue jacket. You want to try and focus on shit in a vacuum instead of looking at the evidence from a macro perspective. I mean seriously? You're going to paste one picture and ignore everything else and whine about Jesus. Hilarious.

Here is the electric slide video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF_DK1g4OIA

Pay attention to the woman in the yellow jacket. As she passes the guy in the blue jacket watch him glide to the right. He just magically slides to the right. How does a zoom lens create that effect?

Here you can see it in another video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJXE6RS2lGU

1:46 - 1:51

You can't debunk that

Same video and a longer version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wncB44n_nqE

Explain how a zoom lens makes the guy in the blue jacket and water bottle glide to the right from 2:16 to 2:20. Use the woman in the yellow jacket as your guide. Also take note of the grieving couple doing the wonderful acting. People are walking by her and she's nearly fainting and stumbling. They don't even notice her. The guy in the blue jacket doesn't even turn around. The lady in the yellow jacket doesn't even look at her. Then they walk out of the shot to the left and through the wall.

How does a zoom lens explain that?

Here's an even better video of the same footage. Look at how close the cop car gets to that guy standing in the far back. He doesn't even move. How does a zoom lens explain that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64gK9z8HJdk

1:50 - 2:10 How does a zoom lens explain that? Watch him glide to the right without moving his legs. How does a zoom lens create that effect?

How does a zoom lens explain the 26 Christmas trees cut and neatly stacked in the back?

How does a zoom lens explain this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI0rBbLxYLo

Here is the Mcdonnell Anderson Cooper interview. That look and sound like a grieving parent to you? Why is everyone so happy? How does a zoom lens explain that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQNVJE4xgk

You can't debunk it. Sandy Hook was a hoax.

And did I mention you're a lying fucking fraud who lied about your personal connection to this hoax? Shameless and pathetic.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Uh huh.

All that and you still take the word of someone in A.D.200, that two centuries prior, someone went into Jesus's secret tomb and he wasn't there so he rose from the dead.

[G13]

Here's even better footage of the planter. Watch it from 1:00 - 1:10

Note it's just dirt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KErMmDXGk3U

Also listen as Rosen is fed his lines by a woman off camera. You can't debunk it. Sandy Hook was a hoax

Here is HD video chopper footage at around the same time that interview with Rosen was given in the above video. You can see the guys in the red and black shirt still sitting on the planter there. Note the lack of foliage.

Watch it from 4:28 - on. Note the absolute clusterfuck of grey cars blocking the roads and emergency vehicles from properly responding to the scene. Note the people wandering aimlessly in circles at the firehouse. Pause the video at 8:18 to see Rosen and the 2 jokers sitting on the planter.

Compare that with this

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/3lbUM-go0r8/maxresdefault.jpg

The evidence is undeniable that Sandy Hook was a hoax

[G13]

Uh huh.

All that and you still take the word of someone in A.D.200, that two centuries prior, someone went into Jesus's secret tomb and he wasn't there so he rose from the dead.

Dodging and buffoonery noted from a known liar and fraud

Why did you lie when you claimed to have a direct personal connection to Sandy Hook victims? Why are you a lying POS?

[G13]

HD Chopper footage ----------> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX2ITHV6k-U

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Implying I lied.
Implying I care what he thinks.
Greentext

[G13]

Implying I lied.
Implying I care what he thinks.
Greentext

I'm not implying anything

You lied and you're a fucking fraud

It's proven fact

[paulgiamatti]

Just let him have his conspiracies. He won't be bothering people with actually functional brains with actual real things to do while he wastes his time on this. The more time he spends on it the better.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Sure thing crazy.

[G13]

Sure thing crazy.

Aww you're hurting my feelings =/

You lied about your personal connection to this hoax. Why are you such a disgusting lying POS?

Calling me crazy can't change the fact that you're a proven liar

BTW how does a zoom lens explain this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igfczc6m5M4

He's obviously rehearsing his lines and he messes up at 30 seconds into the video. If you can't see that this is a hoax then I feel sorry for you.

[G13]

Just let him have his conspiracies. He won't be bothering people with actually functional brains with actual real things to do while he wastes his time on this. The more time he spends on it the better.

You're another proven coward

If you're so smart why can't you debunk any of the evidence?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I have you all the info you needed. Thou refused to cross reference the names. That's on you.

[G13]

I have you all the info you needed. Thou refused to cross reference the names. That's on you.

You're the one who made the claim. Prove it.

It's public information

2 names out of 10. I've got an idea. Give me the 5 names that you don't have any connection to. We can look at all the evidence that they never died. You realize there is mountains of evidence to prove that right? You won't need to give any public information out of fear of "Facebook stalking" (lawl lying manipulative fake POS)

Why are you a lying fucking fraud?

BTW look at this shitty actor changing his lines and fucking up his story. You know Sandy Hook is a hoax right? Knowing that it's a hoax, why did you get all emo drama queen and LIE about your connection to this hoax?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfuWAv33edA

How do you explain the 'Everyone must check in" sign?

You believe that fraud? How about Robbie Parker. How do you explain the laughing and grinning when he doesn't think he's being filmed? How do you explain him obviously getting into character to try and portray grief? It starts at 16 seconds. How does a zoom lens explain that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKWgCRBR5qE

You have no explanation and you can't debunk it. All you and that other cowardly stupid clown can do is lie and pretend.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I have you the name of the Hebrew school. Go look at their records yourself, or are you afraid of uncovering the truth?

[G13]

I have you the name of the Hebrew school. Go look at their records yourself, or are you afraid of uncovering the truth?

What truth?

You're lying

Every person that supposedly died during this Hoax had their name released with pictures. It's public record. Instead of acting like a normal person and saying "That's a lie! My friend taught so and so!" you're saying "That's a lie! My friend taught 2 children that went to this other school. Go cross reference the names and figure it out yourself because I don't want to be stalked on Facebook or something".

What a joke you are. I hope people are taking notice how much of a lying fraud and manipulator you are. I don't play games. if you're going to come at me and make claims. You better be prepared to prove it. This is not a fucking game. Your Government and Media are lying to you and manipulating you. That's the reality you are living in. Time to deal with it and wake up.

I mean seriously. What are the fucking odds that a Project 1999 pixel farmer playing a 15 year old MMO EMU would have a PERSONAL connection to alleged victims of Sandy Hook? Not only that, but you don't want to let anyone know which victims they were? How odd.

Just admit you lied and tried to use that emotional angle to shield yourself from actually having to debate the FACTS and discover the TRUTH. Send them to me in a PM. Prove your claims.

It's called Denial and you're living it. You can't objectively look at the evidence and not realize this Sandy Hook bullshit was all a massive fraud. When you look at the motive it becomes even more obvious. For instance in this Anderson Cooper CNN interview where his nose disappears in the green screen. Listen to the woman pushing the rehearsed lines to use emotion to psychologically manipulate you.

Here's the video. Another horrible ACTOR btw

Watch her obvious acting. Her son was allegedly just gunned down in cold blood by a 120 pound bad ass who was carrying 4 weapons and pounds and pounds of ammunition. More ammunition that a trained Navy Seal. This autistic 120 pound bad ass also shot with 99% accuracy in record time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxAWy_bUuio

"Im grieving. That's all." (Where are the tears?) She just shrugs "meh"

Dumb people like you are why this country is fucked up.

Sandy Hoax = Hoax

[Dior]

God dammit, you fucks still haven't done anything to stop the gubment from taking over our brains? You know the truth G13, and you do nothing! You sir, are the biggest of cowards!

Go now and defend our freedom or be condemned to the pits of Tumblr hippies that do nothing but complain on the interwebs! Go forth I say!

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Notice how none of his posts are "I looked through the records and I can't find any matches with the casualty report like you claimed there would be".

He's afraid to look. He's so set in his mind that if information isn't from a pre-existing anti-government conspiracy nut, he won't even acknowledge it's existence.

He's also lazy. He speaks as if he has authority and yet he has done none of this research on his own, yet given the opportunity he refuses to do so.

Who's the fraud?

[G13]

Notice how none of his posts are "I looked through the records and I can't find any matches with the casualty report like you claimed there would be".

He's afraid to look. He's so set in his mind that if information isn't from a pre-existing anti-government conspiracy nut, he won't even acknowledge it's existence.

He's also lazy. He speaks as if he has authority and yet he has done none of this research on his own, yet given the opportunity he refuses to do so.

Who's the fraud?

Afraid to look? After all the Truth and information I've given you in this thread? Bahahahahaha you're playing kids games.

Notice how you can't supply two names of public record. I've given you example after example with mountains of evidence to prove Sandy Hook is a fraud, yet you're hiding behind this lie and won't let anyone know who the victims were you supposedly had a personal connection with.

I know that no kids died that day at Sandy Hook. None. Zero. The entire thing is a fraud. There is no doubt that the entire thing is a staged hoax. I don't need to engage in your wild goose chase. Just give me the names. They are public record.

I'm going to give you examples that prove no children died at Sandy Hook.

If you check the unaltered Social Security Death Master File (updated Jan 2014) you'll find that no kids died that day at Sandy Hook

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btD5qv7ZtBg

How does a zoom lens explain the 26 christmas tree freshly cut and stacked in the back of the firehouse literally within an hour of the 9/11 call the day this hoax took place

http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/sh-christmas-trees.jpg

How does a zoom lens explain the Sandy Hook tribute video being put online Dec 10th before the hoax ever took place?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhpN4WWUuPc

You tried to shut me down with a BS emotional lie. Now you're backed in a corner and you have nowhere to go. 26 people were allegedly killed. 10 were young females. You claim to know 2 to have a connection to two out of that 10.

Prove it

Your buffoonery and obfuscation isn't going to work. It's not my job to prove your lies. It's your job to provide concrete evidence that proves your claim is true. All you have to do is give me their names. PM if you're so afraid of "stalking" (lol). You can't do it and you won't do it because you're a lying fucking fraud.

[myriverse]

You're the one who made the claim. Prove it.
No. You're the one making the claim which you cannot prove.

2 names out of 10. I've got an idea. Give me the 5 names that you don't have any connection to. We can look at all the evidence that they never died. You realize there is mountains of evidence to prove that right? You won't need to give any public information out of fear of "Facebook stalking" (lawl lying manipulative fake POS)
There is no mountain of evidence. There is zero.

[G13]

No. You're the one making the claim which you cannot prove.

Been proven within this very thread to anyone with a brain

Stop trying to white knight

There is no mountain of evidence. There is zero.

Obvious troll is obvious

[radditsu]

There is a mountain of evidence guys!

[Barnes]

So you have the answers to...

At what temperature does jet fuel burn? What temperature is the melting point in the steel used to construct the towers.

Explain tower 7?


Thanks for that =)

[Barnes]

Just ignore the zombies, they will be walking in circles listening to the propaganda till they drop. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows 911 was a fraud. There is no waking the zombies up STOP trying to! Let them salivate for popular mechanics (propaganda) and the dinosaur main stream media. They love there prison, so let them have it!

[iruinedyourday]

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m55wlto0ie1rojduwo1_400.gif

This thread.

[Barnes]

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m55wlto0ie1rojduwo1_400.gif

This thread.



Why post then ?

[G13]

Just ignore the zombies, they will be walking in circles listening to the propaganda till they drop. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows 911 was a fraud. There is no waking the zombies up STOP trying to! Let them salivate for popular mechanics (propaganda) and the dinosaur main stream media. They love there prison, so let them have it!

[Estolcles]

This thread is proof I really don't know if y'all be trollin' or are serious. This thread is such a serious shade of gray that it ain't funny.

[myriverse]

Obvious troll is obvious
I'm serious. Nothing you have presented is evidence of a single damned thing. All of it only works in your brain.

[capco]

If you have 5 hours of time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1GCeuSr3Mk

[G13]

I'm serious. Nothing you have presented is evidence of a single damned thing. All of it only works in your brain.

You're a serious troll

That's about it

[iruinedyourday]

Why post then ?

cus

http://mbworld.org/forums/attachments/off-topic/26656d1058731776-ban-viper-thisthreadsucksbj.gif

[indiscriminate_hater]

My first 20 pager thanks to these clowns