Account banned for having a roommate?

[Cunyar]

Moved

[Daldaen]

Because him leaving to AFK for awhile makes it look exactly like you were boxing.

Should've told Eunomia to wait 1min while your roommate runs upstairs to perform her test.

[Doil_Boil]

This would be your roommate's bad for going afk while knowing the policies on boxing for the server.. If you're gonna be on the same IP, you need to be present.

[Derubael]

Did you think the "no two-box" rule was taken lightly?

Our Guide's don't just "show up" without observing first. Eunomia was likely watching for quite some time before revealing herself to you. She has a lot of experience dealing with two-boxing and has basically written the book on two-box procedure here on Project 1999.

SELECT * FROM `pc_login` where accid in (*ACCID'S REDACTED*) order by ts desc limit 0,5000

You had two clients open on one PC. As you can see above, I checked the login table in case an error was made. Eunomia did exactly what she was supposed to do and suspended you.

If you choose to play here in the future, please follow the rules. Also, if you'd like to protest a ban/suspension, use the petition forum. Making a post in server chat usually just makes your situation worse.

[Cunyar]

So, the two of us were banned because one person decided to refill an empty glass while the GM had him frozen in place? I'm not quite sure that I follow that logic.

It's actually pretty funny that out of the two of us, he had gear because I sold mine to get him stuff, when he never played EQ in the first place. Then, for whatever reason, a GM shows up and (after calling us retarded, mind you) decides that we're boxing. Good lord; it's a 16 year old game, there's no need, considering the majority of us playing have a good idea of where to go and what to do in the first place.

[Oleris]

Did you think the "no two-box" rule was taken lightly?

Our Guide's don't just "show up" without observing first. Eunomia was likely watching for quite some time before revealing herself to you. She has a lot of experience dealing with two-boxing and has basically written the book on two-box procedure here on Project 1999.

SELECT * FROM `pc_login` where accid in (*ACCID'S REDACTED*) order by ts desc limit 0,5000

You had two clients open on one PC. As you can see above, I checked the login table in case an error was made. Eunomia did exactly what she was supposed to do and suspended you.

If you choose to play here in the future, please follow the rules. Also, if you'd like to protest a ban/suspension, use the petition forum. Making a post in server chat usually just makes your situation worse.


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[Ele]

We were in blackburrow, when a GM (Euphora, or something along those lines) shows up and says she's checking for boxing. She proceeds to question both of us, and he /sits and goes downstairs to make a drink.

lolol

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

http://i.imgur.com/fXkRUq1.jpg?1

[gortimer]

epic haha. he kept arguing even after proof was posted by a GM haaaaa

[Nocsucow]

love these threads

[Visual]

So, the two of us were banned because one person decided to refill an empty glass while the GM had him frozen in place?

It's actually pretty funny that out of the two of us, he had gear because I sold mine to get him stuff, when he never played EQ in the first place. Then, for whatever reason, a GM shows up and (after calling us retarded, mind you) decides that we're boxing. Good lord; it's a 16 year old game, there's no need, considering the majority of us playing have a good idea of where to go and what to do in the first place.

Irrefutable proof my client is innocent. I demand this man be fully exonerated

Good testimony bro

[Glasken]

That was a good one OP. Sad to see you breaking the rules with that creation date. You know better.

[Nagash]

Did you think the "no two-box" rule was taken lightly?

Our Guide's don't just "show up" without observing first. Eunomia was likely watching for quite some time before revealing herself to you. She has a lot of experience dealing with two-boxing and has basically written the book on two-box procedure here on Project 1999.

SELECT * FROM `pc_login` where accid in (*ACCID'S REDACTED*) order by ts desc limit 0,5000

You had two clients open on one PC. As you can see above, I checked the login table in case an error was made. Eunomia did exactly what she was supposed to do and suspended you.

If you choose to play here in the future, please follow the rules. Also, if you'd like to protest a ban/suspension, use the petition forum. Making a post in server chat usually just makes your situation worse.

Owned :D

[iruinedyourday]

love these threads

[GinnasP99]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zagNR35teCY

[Tankdan]

This would be your roommate's bad for going afk while knowing the policies on boxing for the server.. If you're gonna be on the same IP, you need to be present.

Stop talking out of your rear end, please.

[forensic]

People pretending that their brother is the one ninja looting the item, scamming people, boxing, whatever: VERY CLASSIC

GMs swooping in and pwning them on their lies: NOT CLASSIC....sooo worth it

[derpcake]

Owned :D

They were just playing hotseat EQ I bet.

[myriverse]

Acid's Redacted -- cool band name.

[Champion_Standing]

Remove this mans suspension, he is clearly innocent.

[Sektor]

Remove this mans suspension, he is clearly innocent.

[Swish]

I'd still like to see all IP exemptions taken out for a 2 hour period and see how much quieter EC gets :p

My pet cat wouldn't be pleased though, he loves to TunnelQuest :(

[Dior]

We can safely assume this thread will go under the sig of that guy that puts backfire threads in his sig, ya?

You know, that guy.

[Baler]

What is a safe logged out period of time between two accounts being used separately from the same ip? I've read people saying to wait 1 minute in between using different accounts but is that enough time?

[myriverse]

As long as you're not logged in simultaneously, it shouldn't matter.

[Baler]

As long as you're not logged in simultaneously, it shouldn't matter.

The only reason I asked is because I read a staff post that said the system may think you're logged in twice if you attempt to log into another account immediately after logging out.

[Rais]

I'd still like to see all IP exemptions taken out for a 2 hour period and see how much quieter EC gets :p

My pet cat wouldn't be pleased though, he loves to TunnelQuest :(

this man lives in the woods and has no idea what vpns and wireless hotspots are.

[kaev]

The only reason I asked is because I read a staff post that said the system may think you're logged in twice if you attempt to log into another account immediately after logging out.

Should be zero issues if you log out (/camp desktop) and then restart client to log second acct.

[Swish]

this man lives in the woods and has no idea what vpns and wireless hotspots are.

"Hey, you in the bushes!"

[Nerfbat]

From the guide application:

"2 Players are being reported as being suspected of 2 boxing. How would you handle this situation?"

I would run the script:
SELECT * FROM `pc_login` where accid in (*ACCID'S REDACTED*) order by ts desc limit 0,5000

and have them run in opposite circles.

Boom - 1 question closer to finishing this guide application. Thanks guys.

[baalzy]

The only reason I asked is because I read a staff post that said the system may think you're logged in twice if you attempt to log into another account immediately after logging out.

The *worst* that happens is if you try to log in on another account too soon you get a message that says you're blocked at the moment. If you completely close EQ again and log back in, the message should be clear and theres no issue.

[khanable]

The only reason I asked is because I read a staff post that said the system may think you're logged in twice if you attempt to log into another account immediately after logging out.

I've Q'd out to switch accounts once and logged in another toon and saw my other toon standing there for a few seconds (I think it was a server hiccup or something)

I walked around looking over my shoulder for like a week

omg

[harnold]

its allright i used to piss on the heater all the time,sometimes i miss that wry smell of burning piss piercing ur nostrils

but i turned out ok

[Derubael]

From the guide application:

"2 Players are being reported as being suspected of 2 boxing. How would you handle this situation?"

I would run the script:
SELECT * FROM `pc_login` where accid in (*ACCID'S REDACTED*) order by ts desc limit 0,5000

and have them run in opposite circles.

Boom - 1 question closer to finishing this guide application. Thanks guys.

Unfortunately, besides Rogean and Nilbog, I'm the only one with access to that table :D

Guides work purely off the front-end interface (pre-constructed queries in a VGUI) and have no "back end" access (no pre-built queries, have to enter custom every time).

There are no "right answers" on the Guide application. It's there solely to help us ascertain what kind of person you are and how you think. We get even more in-depth if we pull you for an interview, but in order to get to that point we have to like what we see on your application!

[Jenithia]

The only reason I asked is because I read a staff post that said the system may think you're logged in twice if you attempt to log into another account immediately after logging out.

This! And especially if you are swapping toons and do so using the /ex command to get out faster. For an example, I was on Jenithia one night porting a guildee and as most of you druids know its almost impossible to do a full 30 second /camp at the rings in Feerott due to the mobs hitting you. So I /ex'd. I then switched to a cleric on a separate account. As soon as I was on the cleric I got a tell from Sirken asking why I was logged into Jenithia and the cleric at the same time briefly. I explained it and was told to always make sure you do a full /camp and exit properly, because if you don't, it will always appear as if you're 2 boxing. Learn from my mistake and exit properly if you are going to swap toons/accounts :)

[JackFlash]

Picturing two neckbeards time sharing one computer with two accts is hilarious.

[Aussie]

The only reason I asked is because I read a staff post that said the system may think you're logged in twice if you attempt to log into another account immediately after logging out.

I got a tell from Sirken asking why I was logged into Jenithia and the cleric at the same time briefly. I explained it and was told to always make sure you do a full /camp and exit properly, because if you don't, it will always appear as if you're 2 boxing. Learn from my mistake and exit properly if you are going to swap toons/accounts :)

Exactly what this poster says. Camp out correctly and you wont have an issue. /q out of the game and load up another toon straight away and we will be chasing you :)

[Jenithia]

Hi Geldohr :)

[Daldaen]

Exactly what this poster says. Camp out correctly and you wont have an issue. /q out of the game and load up another toon straight away and we will be chasing you :)

Oh so people who use IP exemptions to /q and log another character immediately do register as 2 boxing to you?

[Vladesch]

Trouble with this rule is it really only affects the ignorant. Duplicate ip addresses are easily avoided. I bet there's a ton of people 2 boxing with impunity.

Perhaps more than were 2 boxing back on classic live, since it was never disallowed in classic.

[Swish]

Oh so people who use IP exemptions to /q and log another character immediately do register as 2 boxing to you?

Moreso than people who don't have an IP exemption I'd imagine - good to see the exemptions being checked on and abuses of them resulting in suspensions etc.

[Ele]

Oh so people who use IP exemptions to /q and log another character immediately do register as 2 boxing to you?

It is considered an abuse of the IP exemption and has been admonished/punished in the past.

Wait 30 seconds before hitting enter world if you don't have aggro after a /q. Give it a few minutes if you did have aggro.

[Derubael]

Oh so people who use IP exemptions to /q and log another character immediately do register as 2 boxing to you?

For about 60 seconds, or however long it takes your account to clear out of the game which is usually 30 seconds to a minute.

[myriverse]

Trouble with this rule is it really only affects the ignorant. Duplicate ip addresses are easily avoided. I bet there's a ton of people 2 boxing with impunity.
Ah, but can they pass The Test™?

[Dillian]

Exactly what this poster says. Camp out correctly and you wont have an issue. /q out of the game and load up another toon straight away and we will be chasing you :)

Because /q isnt classic I suppose or something like that. Might need to do some more work on dsetup.dll to distinguish between someone that /q and someone that /camped out. Should be easy since the no response to packets sent thing should be the same from someone that /camp 'ed out and someone that /q.

[myriverse]

Not really about classic or not.

/q, by its nature, skips steps in the natural camping procedure that causes the system to delay notice.

[Furniture]

Because /q isnt classic I suppose or something like that. Might need to do some more work on dsetup.dll to distinguish between someone that /q and someone that /camped out. Should be easy since the no response to packets sent thing should be the same from someone that /camp 'ed out and someone that /q.


/q is classic

[Ele]

/q is fine to use, just give it a couple minutes between log ins or save yourself time and know for sure you are out of game with /camp

[Derubael]

Because /q isnt classic I suppose or something like that. Might need to do some more work on dsetup.dll to distinguish between someone that /q and someone that /camped out. Should be easy since the no response to packets sent thing should be the same from someone that /camp 'ed out and someone that /q.

Not really that big of a deal, and not really worth the effort to code. It's pretty clear who's boxing and who was just switching characters too fast.

If, as a player, you're concerned about it, simply wait a minute or two after /q'ing. It's never been an issue for us from a CSR standpoint, though.

[Dillian]

not condoning breaking the server rules. I hardly play anymore anyway. sometimes ill log in just to see if someone is on. Been kinda busy lately with people getting ready for fall and stuff.

[Eliseus]

Though OP is an idiot. Boxing is classic.

[iruinedyourday]

Though OP is an idiot. Boxing is classic.

not even close to the way its possible now so, no.

[kaev]

/q is classic

When 50+ chars were crowding South Karana before Kunark dropped, you would sometimes see:

Soandso says out of character, 'New UI command, type /quest for status on all your quests'

Saw people use that with surprising success.

[Eliseus]

not even close to the way its possible now so, no.

I'm not making any claims of the sort towards anything or to validate people breaking the rules, because they are the rules. Doesn't change boxing was classic. Just like item recharging wasn't a common practice like it is now, etc but I'm sure you will try to claim validity to those causes. Could go on, but I strongly do feel you know what I'm talking about and just choose to argue for some absurd reason.

[Ele]

When 50+ chars were crowding South Karana before Kunark dropped, you would sometimes see:

Soandso says out of character, 'New UI command, type /quest for status on all your quests'

Saw people use that with surprising success.

check your exp with /ex

[Sodapop]

what kind of person bitches and hates on the server staff when they are completely lying? im glad your gone dumbass.

[Swish]

Though OP is an idiot. Boxing is classic.

Did you play on the Sleeper server? Boxing was allowed there, and abused, and made for a lack of groups - SoloQuest can be found on every other EQemu server, go and 14 box like the rest of THF do if you want that kind of "classic" <3

[Vladesch]

Ah, but can they pass The Test™?

That raises other questions.
Do you ban someone because someone with a different ip address is afk.
Opening a can of worms with that one.

[Rais]

No they don't. Take off the tin foil hat.

[Dior]

Does the rule apply to the forums? What I mean is, is having multiple forum accounts that you post from against the rules? Is it a bannable offense?

I only ask because I'm a dickhead and want people to squirm a bit at the potential answer.

[Tankdan]

Does the rule apply to the forums? What I mean is, is having multiple forum accounts that you post from against the rules? Is it a bannable offense?

I only ask because I'm a dickhead and want people to squirm a bit at the potential answer.
Almost everybody has multiple forum accounts, shouldn't be an issue.

[myriverse]

Does the rule apply to the forums? What I mean is, is having multiple forum accounts that you post from against the rules? Is it a bannable offense?

I only ask because I'm a dickhead and want people to squirm a bit at the potential answer.
I think some people actually pride themselves on their multiple forum accounts.

[heartbrand]

Jibeknn of Red can teach you guys the finer points of multiple forum accounts (and multiple personalities). Guy even has conversations amongst his different forum accounts.

[Dior]

I think some people actually pride themselves on their multiple forum accounts.

Almost everybody has multiple forum accounts, shouldn't be an issue.

That's exactly why I asked. I would like to see the mods make a ruling one way or the other and change the course of forumquesting forever forever forever forever forever forever forever

[Kidneypunch]

I don't know much about coding, so I'm guessing from what I've read that means two EQ's were open on one machine?

[Eliseus]

Did you play on the Sleeper server? Boxing was allowed there, and abused, and made for a lack of groups - SoloQuest can be found on every other EQemu server, go and 14 box like the rest of THF do if you want that kind of "classic" <3

No, I 100% don't care for boxing, I just love the people in threads like this that will sit in their chair all high and mighty against someone that was boxing as if people didn't do it, but as soon as someone groups something else up in the same boat, they defend it like there is no tomorrow so that they can use and abuse said mechanics that did exist in the same form as boxing was in 1999 (for example, that's why I pointed out item recharging). Again though, I personally could care less for boxing, but I wouldn't jump as fast as I could to accuse someone of ruining the classic experience of the game for doing something, that well, existed during classic.

These rules are in place though, and should be followed no matter how much someone agrees with it or doesn't. The OP is dumb to not only try and get out of it like the staff is some kind of morons, but to keep arguing after someone on the staff pointed out how they know for certainty that they were boxing.

[webrunner5]

I am not saying this guy is innocent or not. Who knows for sure. But I have a IP exemption with my son and he is TERRIBLE for going afk for phone calls from his girlfriend, friends, going to take a crap for 15 minutes at a time, etc. you name it. I am amazed we haven't been banned.

I used to 6 box on live and loved it. Getting way too old to do that anymore, but I can see the Devs not wanting it on here, but boxing was classic like it or not. It would suck to get banned if you were innocent so it is sort of a he said, she said, thingy for sure.

I would be not be telling the truth if I said I never moved his toon out of harms way a few times when he was on the crapper. It is a slippery slope. But I hardly ever play anymore so no big deal to me. :o

[heartbrand]

You can always play on red where 2 boxing is legal

[Nirgon]

Meanwhile, barely anyone across the whole game was doing the item recharging with vendors stuff during this period. And yet it remains. That classic experience ya'll.

[Daldaen]

During Kunark it was uncommon, but Velious it was becoming common knowledge. To the point that they had to nerf darkness scepters sell back from the Warrens to prevent its use.

[picklefixer]

Is this Boxes toon? lol

<Insert SweetAss Sig Here>
Mrtwig

[rotenvok]

Did you think the "no two-box" rule was taken lightly?

Our Guide's don't just "show up" without observing first. Eunomia was likely watching for quite some time before revealing herself to you. She has a lot of experience dealing with two-boxing and has basically written the book on two-box procedure here on Project 1999.

SELECT * FROM `pc_login` where accid in (*ACCID'S REDACTED*) order by ts desc limit 0,5000

You had two clients open on one PC. As you can see above, I checked the login table in case an error was made. Eunomia did exactly what she was supposed to do and suspended you.

If you choose to play here in the future, please follow the rules. Also, if you'd like to protest a ban/suspension, use the petition forum. Making a post in server chat usually just makes your situation worse.

sweet, sweet OWNED :D

[GnashingOfTeeth]

The moral of the story is, use 2 different IP's from 2 different ISP's and noone will even think you are 2 boxing... plenty of folks doing that on p99, hell some run even more than 2.

[mgellan]

I am not saying this guy is innocent or not. Who knows for sure. But I have a IP exemption with my son and he is TERRIBLE for going afk for phone calls from his girlfriend, friends, going to take a crap for 15 minutes at a time, etc. you name it. I am amazed we haven't been banned.

My kids are the same, in a group and the kid playing a cleric, start shouting HEAL and they say "I wuz swapped out playing Minecraft..." - like WTF? Attention spans of newts... I make them log out if they're not actually playing the toon actively.

Regards,
Mg

[xexbis0]

Perfectly plausible that they sit in each other's laps to play EQ.

[Eunomia]

The moral of the story is, use 2 different IP's from 2 different ISP's and noone will even think you are 2 boxing... plenty of folks doing that on p99, hell some run even more than 2.


Wrong

If you are boxing, you will be caught. Maybe it won't be today. Maybe it will be when you've invested a lot of time in your characters.

[Eunomia]

My kids are the same, in a group and the kid playing a cleric, start shouting HEAL and they say "I wuz swapped out playing Minecraft..." - like WTF? Attention spans of newts... I make them log out if they're not actually playing the toon actively.

Regards,
Mg

If your children go afk, you should make sure they at least log to character select. If they can't do that, I would suggest removing the IP Exemption. They are putting your account as risk by going afk for more than 3 minutes.

[mgellan]

If your children go afk, you should make sure they at least log to character select. If they can't do that, I would suggest removing the IP Exemption. They are putting your account as risk by going afk for more than 3 minutes.

Yup, thats absolutely fair ball, and why I tell them to log out completely if they're not actively playing, including going for a dump or whatever. Point taken!

Regards,
Mg

[Mockba1980]

The moral of the story is, use 2 different IP's from 2 different ISP's and noone will even think you are 2 boxing... plenty of folks doing that on p99, hell some run even more than 2.

I feel sad for people doing that lol, paying extra dollars for geting 2nd isp just for boxing eq.

But some people are so dumb, guessing it's real

[Naprox]

Almost everybody has multiple forum accounts, shouldn't be an issue.

Only cowards who want to hide their true identity have more than one account.

[Daldaen]

Only cowards who want to hide their true identity hidden have more than one account.

This

[Kayso]

If your children go afk, you should make sure they at least log to character select. If they can't do that, I would suggest removing the IP Exemption. They are putting your account as risk by going afk for more than 3 minutes.

Can we consider 3 minutes to be the rule? And I'm not talking about quick item transfers or logging in and out a buff bot... Clearly exploits.

If I am playing in a group with my kids and they get up to pee or let the dog out, do we have 3 mins for one of us to AFK?

[Clark]

Only cowards who want to hide their true identity have more than one account.

[arsenalpow]

aren't you the guy with the red account? pretty sure you were also cimarec for a minute.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

My younger brother was in a surfing accident several years ago when he wiped out really bad, and was under water for nearly 10 minutes and repeatedly stung by jellyfish.

Since then, I've tried to live up to the motto from the greatest film of all time, New Jack City: I AM my brother's keeper.

He is still paralyzed from all the many jellyfish stings he suffered that day, but I take care of him, and I play his favorite game with him, Everquest.

Due to his paralysis, and the fact his hands are still swollen 10x normal size because of the sheer number of jellyfish stings he had suffered (this was a few years ago), he cannot control his character, but he communicates to me by winking the one eye that is not paralyzed -- "C-O-M-P-L-E-T-E _ H-E-A-L _ I-N-C" he'll blink at me in Morse code, and that is how I know I am supposed to have his char cast complete heal on me so I don't die.

After we kill a mob, he blinks Y-A-A-A-A-A-S-S-S at me, and let me tell you, I wouldn't trade that feeling for a million dollars.

So, GM's, this is what you have ruined. My brother woke up and winked at me this morning, "M-A-Y-B-E _ T-H-E-R-E _ I-S _ N-O _ G-O-D."

So, thanks gm's. Thanks.

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[Kreylyn]

So, thanks gm's. Thanks.

[/IMG]

Cool story bro!

Krey