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dalton1981
09-25-2014, 10:44 AM
Just turned 22 and plan on soloing with intimidation, serrated bone dirk (snare) and poisons. What are good lower level dmg poisons to start with?

I've found a list of poisons on the wiki, but none list what the effects are - ie. dmg per tick, how many ticks, and what stats they debuf etc.

here's the list (http://wiki.project1999.com/Skill_Make_Poison)i was referring to

Whirled
09-25-2014, 11:07 AM
fwiw, the spiders in Toxx Forest, aside from dropping poison sacs, are also nice enough to bottle their poison for you if you kill enough of them. Unsure if that is classic or an option for you but if you needed some spider poison pre-bottled it's there. It does not show up on the wiki as dropped by the spiders tho.

HeallunRumblebelly
09-25-2014, 11:16 AM
Poison is required for coldain ring 9. A few rogues on here make poisons--be sure to make some friends :P

Juevento
09-25-2014, 11:26 AM
Just turned 22 and plan on soloing with intimidation, serrated bone dirk (snare) and poisons. What are good lower level dmg poisons to start with?

I've found a list of poisons on the wiki, but none list what the effects are - ie. dmg per tick, how many ticks, and what stats they debuf etc.

here's the list (http://wiki.project1999.com/Skill_Make_Poison)i was referring to

Combine that table with the descriptor for each poison type (ie Feeble Mind I) which is above the ingredient table on that same page to see what each poison does.

A few rogues have their poison skill leveled. Using poison as a leveling tool will be both tedious and expensive as the components are not cheap. Even if you make your own vials, you'll be looking at 5-6p per attempt to make. Personally, I only use poisons for PvP and other non recurring activities.

And like Heallun said, the 8th ring needs a high level poison so a there should be a few rogues leveling their skill.

dalton1981
09-25-2014, 11:35 AM
Whats the 9th ring? a quest?
I was hoping some of the lesser poisons would be useful while soloing. wish they designed it that way.

Whirled
09-25-2014, 11:41 AM
http://wiki.project1999.com/Coldain_Ring_Quests

Clark
09-25-2014, 11:43 AM
Personally, I only use poisons for PvP

Titanx
09-25-2014, 12:07 PM
Poisons are not worthwhile unless for PvP.. between expense and time, it is a waste.

Only real use as mentioned above will be for codlain ring quest once Velious is out.

Daldaen
09-25-2014, 12:13 PM
Poisons are not worthwhile unless for PvP.. between expense and time, it is a waste.

Only real use as mentioned above will be for codlain ring quest once Velious is out.

Thus why I'm saving up my seahorse scales and looking very much forward to next patch when Droga will drop mnt death salts.

Cecily
09-25-2014, 08:47 PM
Just turned 22 and plan on soloing with intimidation, serrated bone dirk (snare) and poisons. What are good lower level dmg poisons to start with?

I've found a list of poisons on the wiki, but none list what the effects are - ie. dmg per tick, how many ticks, and what stats they debuf etc.

here's the list (http://wiki.project1999.com/Skill_Make_Poison)i was referring to

The poison effects are hidden in the section labeled "poison effects". Rogues...
Anyways, I personally much prefer this old poison making resource page from live that's still around: Kikys Poisonous Pages (http://kikyara.tripod.com/)

capco
09-26-2014, 09:07 AM
The poison effects are hidden in the section labeled "poison effects". Rogues...
Anyways, I personally much prefer this old poison making resource page from live that's still around: Kikys Poisonous Pages (http://kikyara.tripod.com/)

That is an excellent resource. Thank you Cecily :)

dalton1981
09-26-2014, 11:16 AM
The poison effects are hidden in the section labeled "poison effects". Rogues...
Anyways, I personally much prefer this old poison making resource page from live that's still around: Kikys Poisonous Pages (http://kikyara.tripod.com/)

Hah. i guess i missed that. But my question was, what are the first few poisons people tend to make? dd/dot ones are the most useful i'd assume.

Cecily
09-26-2014, 02:32 PM
Warlords Rage is my personal theoretical favorite. It's a massive str buff ( like 70) with some AC, but it deals 70 dd and 600 DoT in 30 seconds. I used that in the rogue BoTB first round and very nearly killed a person who played a rogue on red.

As far as practical poisons go, the root poison has a 50% slow in it. If you really wanted to solo, that would be the ideal one to go with.

The problem is the expense (6-10k pp to get 250 with high dex gear) and massive inventory crowding that poison making entails. It's really not a viable thing to use in PvE. Your role in a group is to deal a lot of damage, not to have utility. You deal a lot of damage for free, and no one would notice your awesome utility. They WOULD you sitting down for 10 seconds (apply poison timer) while they are fighting the mob and think you're an awful rogue, however.

pharmakos
09-27-2014, 12:43 AM
poisons could be situationally useful in PVE still, no? not for EXP grinding but if you're about to take on a boss mob? i.e. if you're in sebilis crypt just bust out poison for Emperor kills?

Cecily
09-27-2014, 12:50 AM
The higher end resistance debuff poison might be good for those situations. I have no idea on the land rate on those though. Poison activates on your first melee attack, which would concern me about aggro using high level DDs or debuffs.

Something I've always meant to do, but haven't tried out was to see if the resist debuff lands on dragons. -30 resist to everything but poison sounds kinda neat.

Cecily
09-27-2014, 01:11 AM
If you wanna level poison making, without doing the tedious farming, here's the trivial progression I used to get to 250 poison making using all vendor bought ingredients. I DID make 200 or so sealed vials with pottery because the cost becomes brutal at that point.

Spine Break 32, Gindlin Toxfodder in WK.
Athropic Sap 98, Gindlin Toxfodder in WK.
Aching Blood 108, Gindlin Toxfodder in WK.
Calcium Rot 172, Ennixy Frennor in Steamfont. *does not sell vials or suspension*
Spirit of Sloth 250, Brak Daggermist in FV.

Make sure you have as much possible dex as you can. That'll increase your odds of a skill up on a combine failure. Good luck to anyone who pursues poison making!

Treats
09-27-2014, 10:41 AM
The only poison I ever knew Rogues to use on high end NPC's was the Dex reducer to help with Procs/Rampage/Flurry