Class Epic MQ's: Why are some outrageously priced?

[Ducket]

So far from what I've seen it is like this.

Monk epic MQ - FULL = 100k
Rogue epic MQ - FULL = 25-30k
Cleric epic MQ - FULL = 60k

Ranger epic MQ - Shattered Emerald of Corruption 300k, VS stone 250k
Druid epic MQ - Fay water 300k, VS stone 250k

Why are the prices of ranger and druid mq items so rediculously high in price? What makes them so special? I mean, I can only imagine guilds have quite a few of them just lying around. Do they hold on to them out of greed? I feel like every 50+ player on the server should have access to an epic just from what guilds are holding on to.

The thing that blows my mind the most is how they can expect any newer player(less than a year) to be able to afford 500k+ for TWO measley MQ items?

Please don't flame this thread, I would like to hear others thoughts on this topic and what they think a fix could be. Fix being other than waiting until epic mobs are triggerable a few months into Velious.

[Byrjun]

Partly because your prices aren't completely accurate and partly because some epics are more difficult to obtain than others.

The worst is the monk epic. About as easy as the rogue epic and 4x the price.

[Briscoe]

Look at the time derivative if you want to feel a little better: A year ago druid epic MQ was advertised at roughly 1 mil!

[Bboboo]

One can say that isn't a lot of PP tbh.

The thing that blows my mind the most is how they can expect any newer player(less than a year) to be able to afford 500k+ for TWO measley MQ items?


I was able to afford an MQ worth 30-70k within the first couple months of playing my Druid. If you wan't something in EQ you gotta work for it. This game balances on the fine line of hobby and job.

Bottom line is they're selling for that much because people will pay that much for it, also the amount of effort required to setup the MQ factors into this.

[Tann]

The thing that blows my mind the most is how they can expect any newer player(less than a year) to be able to afford 500k+ for TWO measley MQ items?

"They" don't expect a newer player(less than a year) to be able to afford it. Epics weren't meant for everyone, unless you were in a raiding guild on live and spent a plethora of time in game you never had a chance to get it done.

I don't think the gods intended MQs to be sold on the street, it was intended for fellow guildies who missed the encounter where ____ dropped.

[Ciroco]

Basic economic principles?

[Ducket]

Look at the time derivative if you want to feel a little better: A year ago druid epic MQ was advertised at roughly 1 mil!

Really? That is nuts. The only thing I can think of for a solo druid to make plat is by grinding seafuries. That would be roughly 1,000 hours of in game time spent killing them, assuming you had them to yourself for the duration of your time there.

Partly because your prices aren't completely accurate and partly because some epics are more difficult to obtain than others.

The worst is the monk epic. About as easy as the rogue epic and 4x the price.

If you have any corrections to what I posted please let me know, I'm curious anyways.

[Estu]

Really? That is nuts. The only thing I can think of for a solo druid to make plat is by grinding seafuries. That would be roughly 1,000 hours of in game time spent killing them, assuming you had them to yourself for the duration of your time there.

If you think seafuries are a druid's best option for making money, you haven't seen Daldaen post about his leet druid PLing services.

Also, epics aren't really meant for solo people to get in the first place. Join a guild and kill the monsters for your epic and you'll see why some are priced higher than others. Basically, some of them require monsters that are in extremely high demand because they drop a lot of great items and/or the epic drop is a rare one, so there are a ton of guilds competing for those monsters, and they don't spawn often. Others don't require such rare / sought-after mobs. The difference is huge. My main character is a 60 wizard and he's been level 60 for about a year. He doesn't have his epic and I don't expect he will anytime soon. My cleric, rogue, and shaman alts all have their epics and it was pretty easy for all three.

[Freakish]

I want to sell you a ragefire heart, demon fangs, etc. I do not want to sell you a vs stone or slime blood. So I price them differently.

[Kastro]

Reroll on RED, Join Holo, Level to 60, do some pvp, get epic. .. ezpz..


Or you can grind seafuries for the next year on blue and buy it...

[vid]

Cleric epic MQ is like 60k, not 150k+ or whatever you listed. Still expensive, but worth it I think.

[Kevris]

SEOC is expensive because it's difficult to come by. I can't remember if prior to the hate revamp the mini-bosses drop them, but I know that from all the time I spent soloing AA's up in hate with my paladin, I saw one emerald.

In this era, it may only drop from Inny.

[Wenuven]

Really? That is nuts. The only thing I can think of for a solo druid to make plat is by grinding seafuries. That would be roughly 1,000 hours of in game time spent killing them, assuming you had them to yourself for the duration of your time there.

I started playing on this server again in mid August of this year, my druid was level 15 with no gear.

I just bought an Epic and a full suit of gear for my rogue the other day. Once you get to the higher levels, there are countless opportunities to make money.

That being said, anything worth 300k+ still seems absurd to me. The limits of my fortitude to farm plat are right around the point I can afford to twink an alt with a fungi. I'm guestimating that will take me a month or so of casual plat farming. Though I believe someone of the right class to farm HS or Seb could do it in a matter of a couple days.

Moral of the story: there are a lot of people on this server, who have been here for a while, that have the capacity to farm obscene amounts of plat rather easily. You just have to build the right foundation first.

[Pint]

Just keep shopping around, I bought a pair of vib gloves for 3 fungis and 10k then I traded them for vs/seoc and a tolans Bp, so I ended up paying like 220k which is pretty reasonable. If ppl are pricing their shit outrageously then just don't buy it and hold out.

[kennymack007]

TLDR version for any pricing questions;
Supply and Demand

[pharmakos]

I mean, I can only imagine guilds have quite a few of them just lying around. Do they hold on to them out of greed? I feel like every 50+ player on the server should have access to an epic just from what guilds are holding on to..

this is false. the rarer epic items get used up right away. using the warrior epic as an example --

severilous spawns about once a week. that's 52 severilouses a year. he doesn't drop the green dragon scale every time (i'm not sure of the exact drop rate but lets call it 2/3 of the time)... that's only about 35 green dragon scales per year. that means only 35 warriors per year can complete their epic.

there are a lot more than 35 level 50+ warriors on P99.

[Ducket]

this is false. the rarer epic items get used up right away. using the warrior epic as an example --

severilous spawns about once a week. that's 52 severilouses a year. he doesn't drop the green dragon scale every time (i'm not sure of the exact drop rate but lets call it 2/3 of the time)... that's only about 35 green dragon scales per year. that means only 35 warriors per year can complete their epic.

there are a lot more than 35 level 50+ warriors on P99.

So I looked up the green dragon scale and there was a quest added to convert red scales to green at some point in time. Is that quest added in velious with the other epic revamps? I know faydedar will be triggerable and VS can be spawned off of VSR(plus VS will be a 3 day respawn instead of 7-8).

[Ravager]

Partly because your prices aren't completely accurate and partly because some epics are more difficult to obtain than others.

The worst is the monk epic. About as easy as the rogue epic and 4x the price.

Monk epic is way harder. Rogue is literally pp two mobs, pick up a ground spawn and get a solid group+ to kill a triggered mob.

Monk epic there are 6 mobs you need to get a solid group for, not to mention the bother of finding the pipes and a book to mq if you don't loot them yourself. Even more of a bother if you don't kill q/z.

[Mendo]

I think I'm going to start rocking some monk epics. 100k for the effort is way better than 25k for the rogue epic. One group can do all the kills fairly easily. Chardok pipe is so easy to get. So challenge is the KC pipe (5k?) My guess is the monk epic will be the next to drop in price once people realize that its doable by one group of friends who are willing to share in the profits.

[pharmakos]

So I looked up the green dragon scale and there was a quest added to convert red scales to green at some point in time. Is that quest added in velious with the other epic revamps? I know faydedar will be triggerable and VS can be spawned off of VSR(plus VS will be a 3 day respawn instead of 7-8).

the scale conversion quest is outside of the scope of our timline as far as i know

[Ravager]

I think I'm going to start rocking some monk epics. 100k for the effort is way better than 25k for the rogue epic. One group can do all the kills fairly easily. Chardok pipe is so easy to get. So challenge is the KC pipe (5k?) My guess is the monk epic will be the next to drop in price once people realize that its doable by one group of friends who are willing to share in the profits.

If you can get the right group of people, for sure. Organizing it around everyone's time is the real battle.

[radda]

kbrown needs a war epic!

[holsteinrx7]

wtb sk epic 30k lol

[Doors]

Prices are insane because blues economy is so insanely inflated with platinum and items.

Also people sell those on red but not for nearly as much, and it's infinitely easier to get an epic on any class. Pure greed and an underground RMT market drive blues MQ epic prices.

[Thulack]

Prices are insane because blues economy is so insanely inflated with platinum and items.

Also people sell those on red but not for nearly as much, and it's infinitely easier to get an epic on any class. Pure greed and an underground RMT market drive blues MQ epic prices.

Lol says the guy who steals peoples gear. :D

[zanderklocke]

Someone sell me a bladestopper for 300K. Is that an unreasonable price to be able to recharge mine?

[Ele]

Someone sell me a bladestopper for 300K. Is that an unreasonable price to be able to recharge mine?

Probably easier to lobby for removal of recharging. :p

[Kekephee]

"Why are the prices of epic multiquests so high" he asked in a game where entire epics were never meant to be mq'd and it's insane that level 1 rogues are walking around with epics

[Briscoe]

Prices are insane because blues economy is so insanely inflated with platinum and items.

Also people sell those on red but not for nearly as much, and it's infinitely easier to get an epic on any class. Pure greed and an underground RMT market drive blues MQ epic prices.

Prices across the board have been monotonically dropping this year on 99% of the things that can be sold on blue. Everything from an FBSS to even druid and ranger epic MQs are more affordable than ever.

[iruinedyourday]

Prices across the board have been monotonically dropping this year on 99% of the things that can be sold on blue. Everything from an FBSS to even druid and ranger epic MQs are more affordable than ever.

Yea, torp is down to like 20k!

if you have one ill do you the favor of offering this sweet price of 25k!

[Cecily]

Prices are insane because blues economy is so insanely inflated with platinum and items.

Also people sell those on red but not for nearly as much, and it's infinitely easier to get an epic on any class. Pure greed [lol] and an underground RMT market drive blues MQ epic prices.

Mr. Fungi thief, would please you mind not slandering our server on this board? We're not allowed to do it to you here.

[sulpher01]

Anyone else find it hilarious how much the red players post over here on blue? Even their forum is dead..

[JustinWK]

The epic result was never intended to be this common on Live, not even by half. It kind of takes the glory out of it. It's amazing (rather disappointing) these are even FOR sale.

We've been stalled in Kunark for so long, it's become trivial.

[Lord Traxor]

its not simple supply and demand that creates crazy pricing either, its that some folks are so connected/rich they can sit there forever with an insane price for things and never budge due to a near monopoly on certain mobs/content. Is what it is.

[chuggy]

RMT + MQ/Epic farmers selling plat....

infinite loop

[Giustin]

Are epic MQ’s too expensive? .. yes, no .. maybe. It’s a market economy so, if this is the way you want to complete this quest, then you pay what you can afford, or you go without. Pretty simple equation really. Epic MQ’s are classic.

Back in the day (2001), when I did my first epic on my main character on live, it was quested and completed with only the assistance of my guild. The sense of achievement from doing this quest .. the risk v reward … made it one of the best quests I have ever been involved in, and the ability to share that with my guildmates (as well as sharing their similar accomplishments) really made for a memorable period in EQ. To this day I still remember fondly the camps, the turn ins, the rare drops, finally achieving the goal. It was fun!

Fast forward to 2014 on P99. Sure, we are all playing a 15 year old elf sim, however reliving the “good old days” is one of the reasons we all play. Class epics quests are still one of (if not the most) crowning quest achievements any player can complete. Whilst I am sure I could farm the plat required to buy my epic .. I just don’t want to. I want to curse and swear at rare spawns .. I want to bore myself shedless camping greens for quest drops .. I want to feel the thrill of killing the boss mobs required to complete this quest, and I want to share this with my guildmates. I want to do it .. not buy it. If I wanted pay-to-win I would still be playing EQLive.

From my perspective the issue is not that these are too expensive, it’s more that they are seen as a way to farm plat. We all know that numerous epics are cockblocked poopsocked or whatever term you want to use by plat farmers that are not there for the quest or glory, they are simply there to farm plat. Whilst I am not yet at the stage that I need one of these mobs to complete my epic .. I am close enough to realise that even if I turn up with a group of guildmates ready to kill said spawn .. I will have another player standing in my way demanding I pay him for the privilege. Not the way that I .. or I assume most of the server .. want to complete their epic quest. This whole process feeds the RMT market which goes along way to spoiling the game experience for all of us.

I am assuming that during Velious many of the epic mobs will change to triggered spawns, and I assume this will relieve some of the issues. However it is likely that this will simply move the toll gates to a different part of the epic quest … some players on this server are very good at making sure they get their pocket full of plat.

How to fix it? .. absolutely no idea. Smarter minds than mine can surely come up with a way of allowing players that wish to quest the ability to do so.

/rant off.