Is a leaf or plant a hard drugs?

[runlvlzero]

P99 community must be informed. Whats the hive mind consensus o borg queen of unimatrix zero. ;)

[Pint]

Isn't cocaine derived from a leaf/plant?

[iruinedyourday]

http://listverse.com/2011/07/02/top-10-plants-that-will-kill-you/

science

[Cecily]

The idea that plant drugs are somehow safer... It's all chemicals. Water is poisonous FFS.

[Glenzig]

The idea that plant drugs are somehow safer... It's all chemicals. Water is poisonous FFS.

You mean you can overdose on water right?

[Cecily]

It's the same thing. 'All things are poisons, for there is nothing without poisonous qualities. It is only the dose which makes a thing poison.' Paracelsus

[Estolcles]

Everything causes Cancer.

Except weed.

[Glenzig]

It's the same thing. 'All things are poisons, for there is nothing without poisonous qualities. It is only the dose which makes a thing poison.' Paracelsus

I think you're trying to explain toxicity.

[Cecily]

That's... poison. Gogo wikipedia: In the context of biology, poisons are substances that cause disturbances to organisms,[1] usually by chemical reaction or other activity on the molecular scale, when a sufficient quantity is absorbed by an organism.

Water is poisonous.

[paulgiamatti]

It's potentially poisonous, or potentially toxic. It's kind of a misuse of the word to say water is simply poisonous, though. We get it, but let's not abuse the English language here - everyone knows when we say something is "poisonous" or "toxic", we mean when it's taken in normal and non-excessive doses.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Everything causes Cancer.

Except weed.

Tell that to Bob Marley.

[Cecily]

It's potentially poisonous, or potentially toxic. It's kind of a misuse of the word to say water is simply poisonous, though. We get it, but let's not abuse the English language here - everyone knows when we say something is "poisonous" or "toxic", we mean when it's taken in normal and non-excessive doses.

So if someone shot you, you were attacked with a "potentially lethal weapon"? No. Every glass of water you drink is laced with dihydrogen monoxide, a deadly poison.

[Glenzig]

So if someone shot you, you were attacked with a "potentially lethal weapon"? No. Every glass of water you drink is laced with dihydrogen monoxide, a deadly poison.

Toxicity is the degree to which a substance can damage an organism. Toxicity can refer to the effect on a whole organism, such as an animal, bacterium, or plant, as well as the effect on a substructure of the organism, such as a cell (cytotoxicity) or an organ such as the liver (hepatotoxicity). By extension, the word may be metaphorically used to describe toxic effects on larger and more complex groups, such as the family unit or society at large.

A central concept of toxicology is that effects are dose-dependent; even water can lead to water intoxication when taken in too high a dose, whereas for even a very toxic substance such as snake venom there is a dose below which there is no detectable toxic effect.

[paulgiamatti]

So if someone shot you, you were attacked with a "potentially lethal weapon"?

Yes. Not everyone dies from a gunshot wound - it's potentially lethal, but I'm not going to correct someone that refers to a firearm as simply a lethal weapon.

Anything can kill you in excessive doses. Oxygen can kill you, but I'm not going to say it's poisonous. Same with water. If you want to go around calling literally everything poisonous, then by all means go right ahead.

[Cecily]

Exactly, water is poisonous.

[Glenzig]

Exactly, water is poisonous.

Toxicity.

[Cecily]

If you want to go around calling literally everything poisonous, then by all means go right ahead.

It is!

[YeOldeLordJiggz]

Yup, just chemicals, and concentration, if you think its a medicine, maybe too much of it is a poison.

Cocaine, tobacco, and herroin can be bad for you, but in reality do just as much or less damage then sugar, fat, or salt.

So does thinking it is bad for you really make it much worse?

Does thinking it isn't not?

sugar, caffeine, fat, salt, cocaine, tobacco, herroin, marijuana, water, air, protein, vitamins, minerals, opium, nicotine, .....all chemicals, what is a chemical, but a combination of atoms. What determines whether it is good or bad for you is what it will do to you when you have too little or too much of it.

sorry if my inaccurate whether those are exactly defined as chemicals, but all matter contains them so...

[paulgiamatti]

It's just an overstatement, it's silly. I mean, we should be careful not to be too euphemistic, but this is taking that line of thought too far. Like I said, we get it - but we're not living in a chemistry lab. Let's use words properly.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Jesus Christ, thought I was bored enough for RnF today and this thread proved me wrong. Tedious bitches...

[iruinedyourday]

Exactly, water is poisonous.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25736152/EQ/water2.gif

[runlvlzero]

I probably should just post this in other thread rather then derailing back to shit kills u.

But stress hormone is prob the #1 killer in america, linked to both heart disease, obesity, mental health issues like allzhimers, and cancer.

People just so mad as fuck. Need more plants in peoples lives IMO. Everyone can handle it nps.

[Sidelle]

We shouldn't forget the tragedies that occur because of alcohol consumption, which I think is worse than doing most drugs. How many perfectly good pizzas are tortured for hours in drunk people's ovens?

http://img2.m.owned.com/media/images/2/8/2/1/28211/drunk_shaming_big.jpg

[Cecily]

I did that with a chicken after a graveyard shift. Room mate was so pissed at me.

[FoxxHound]

We shouldn't forget the tragedies that occur because of alcohol consumption, which I think is worse than doing most drugs. How many perfectly good pizzas are tortured for hours in drunk people's ovens?

http://img2.m.owned.com/media/images/2/8/2/1/28211/drunk_shaming_big.jpg

Ugh. One of my old roommates did that with nuggets and fries. Destroyed the fuck out of my pan. Smell about killed my sorry ass too!

[Pokesan]

hooray he got banned!

we should celebrate in game. it would be fun.

[Aviann]

hooray he got banned!

we should celebrate in game. it would be fun.

Let's do it! Omg this is a glorious day

[katrik]

The dream is real

[Aviann]

The dream is real

Let's hang out ingame and get drunk

[katrik]

Only if fox joins.

[FoxxHound]

Ohi. I might be down to get on stuffs or whatevers for a little while. We could do a skype parteh

[katrik]

Yessss..!

[FoxxHound]

Mainly cause I want to hear how hot Aviann sounds~
and ofc I miss my Katrik!

[katrik]

<3 tomorrow nite maybe..? Sleepy.

[FoxxHound]

I work tomorrow night.~

[Aviann]

Mainly cause I want to hear how hot Aviann sounds~
and ofc I miss my Katrik!

THEN ITS DONE!

[Aviann]

Oh shit wait. I have a costume party tomorrow... I will be home ultra late if you guys stay up like that....

[FoxxHound]

I'll be up all night tonight, but I won't be available tomorrow ~

[Aviann]

I'll be up all night tonight, but I won't be available tomorrow ~

PM me your char names sir

[Cistern]

Marijuana is a fucking drug. It alters your mind when introduced to heat. If you were to eat marijuana without somehow heating it beforehand or anything, you will not feel the effects(edibles etc all need to be baked or cooked in some fashion, you can't just stuff nugs in brownies obviously). I love marijuana but i'm not a faggot and I don't claim to be better than anyone else, it is a drug that I love.

other "drugs" that come from natural "plants":
Alcohol(Yeast / Barley)
Cocaine(Coca plants)
Heroin(Poppy)
Not to mention the bajillion psychedelic plants there are in existence.

tl;dr if you are one of those "weed is not a drug duuuude its a plant" faggots, then you are a complete faggot.

[Aviann]

Marijuana is a fucking drug. It alters your mind when introduced to heat. If you were to eat marijuana without somehow heating it beforehand or anything, you will not feel the effects(edibles etc all need to be baked or cooked in some fashion, you can't just stuff nugs in brownies obviously). I love marijuana but i'm not a faggot and I don't claim to be better than anyone else, it is a drug that I love.

other "drugs" that come from natural "plants":
Alcohol(Yeast / Barley)
Cocaine(Coca plants)
Heroin(Poppy)
Not to mention the bajillion psychedelic plants there are in existence.

tl;dr if you are one of those "weed is not a drug duuuude its a plant" faggots, then you are a complete faggot.

Marijuana will get you high by eating it, just not as much as smoking it. The THC levels in marijuana need oil or fat cells to basically combine with to cause you any effect, and any oils in your stomach or after, will cause the effects (not desired but what) you are looking for.

If you want to prove me wrong, try it.

[Cecily]

Shouldn't use it though. It's poisonous.

[Aviann]

Shouldn't use it though. It's poisonous.

I really just want to grow my own to eliminate the poison, but I need seeds from the perfect non-poisonous namebrand.

lol

[Rararboker]

Marijuana will get you high by eating it, just not as much as smoking it. The THC levels in marijuana need oil or fat cells to basically combine with to cause you any effect, and any oils in your stomach or after, will cause the effects (not desired but what) you are looking for.

If you want to prove me wrong, try it.

"What you are talking about is "decarboxylation". Some of the plant's THC is tied up as THC-COOH, an acid form that is not very psychoactive. Heating the cannabis to 220˚F drives off the COOH as carbon dioxide and water. This happens automatically if you smoke, vape, or cook with the weed. The process also occurs naturally as the marijuana dries and cures."

[Cistern]

Marijuana will get you high by eating it, just not as much as smoking it. The THC levels in marijuana need oil or fat cells to basically combine with to cause you any effect, and any oils in your stomach or after, will cause the effects (not desired but what) you are looking for.

If you want to prove me wrong, try it.

So the only point you proved me wrong is that marijuana needs heat to get you high. That doesn't disprove that is still a drug. Just like cocaine and heroin.

[Aviann]

So the only point you proved me wrong is that marijuana needs heat to get you high. That doesn't disprove that is still a drug. Just like cocaine and heroin.

I wasn't trying to prove you wrong on whether it is a drug or not. I believe it is both a drug, and a plant. A pretty harmless one aside from against someone's wallet or temporarily against their freedom (hoping this gets changed for a lot of people soon).

[Cistern]

I wasn't trying to prove you wrong on whether it is a drug or not. I believe it is both a drug, and a plant. A pretty harmless one aside from against someone's wallet or temporarily against their freedom (hoping this gets changed for a lot of people soon).

Couldn't agree with you more