staff run RMT

[Troubled]

Just when you thought p99 couldn't get any more corrupt and toxic, they keep piling it on.

Anyway, they've added a stretch goal of $17,500 from Welgrim's Extra Life charity that unlocks a Guise of the Deceiver. Help them hit the mark before 8am CST!

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169025

[Sirken]

just to make something very clear. nobody is able to buy any items for p99 here. players can donate for a chance to be entered into a raffle. and various community members have donated items and plat to be given away as prizes.

Norova is running a 24hr live charity stream over at: http://www.twitch.tv/norova

even if you cant donate, please stop by. higher view count will draw more attention, and that attention will hopefully bring in more donations to help dying children.

<3
Sirks

[iruinedyourday]

hbd sirks!

[Jaxon]

The geometry of RMT.

The Old RMT: God's Circle

Here we have the perfection and natural beauty of a circle; an all natural and 100% organic shape with goods and money flowing proportionally between buyer and seller. This is absolute verifiable truth and provable fact. This harmonious arrangement was declared illegal by the server staff, who have denied nature and defied the gods. They have stopped at nothing to disrupt the natural evolution of the economy.

http://i.imgur.com/ixILtma.gif


The New RMT: Satan's Open Triangle

This state of affairs could not last long. With the disruption of the RMT cycle the collapse of the server was imminent. Ultimately realizing their folly, the staff developed a new RMT scheme in an attempt to save the server, but it had a fatal flaw. Instead of returning to the rotating harmonic of circular RMT they have created the abomination of the "open triangle." This profane construction is an unsupported Satan shape. It breaks nature's LAW of simultaneous RMT enrichment. It is destined to collapse and will collapse.

http://i.imgur.com/ovTMXaR.gif

The Future RMT

When the staff realize the magnitude of their sin they will strive to prop open their foolish scheme with a third leg instead of returning to God's circle RMT. What hells lie in store for us in the future?

http://i.imgur.com/X8lL5Jo.png

[Joyelle]

The link between the Third Party and the Sellers in that last pic is the feel goods

<3

[Nocsucow]

OP is pretty dumb

[khanable]

The link between the Third Party and the Sellers in that last pic is the feel goods

<3

http://i.imgur.com/8hPBNr5.jpg

[Brad_mo123]

Just when you thought p99 couldn't get any more corrupt and toxic, they keep piling it on.

Anyway, they've added a stretch goal of $17,500 from Welgrim's Extra Life charity that unlocks a Guise of the Deceiver. Help them hit the mark before 8am CST!

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169025

It's for a good cause, no matter where the money comes from. There is a special place in hell for people like you who try to make a good thing into something bad.

[Barkingturtle]

The OP was promoting the event by raising awareness regarding the new stretch goal. I assume he made an attempt at humor because this is RnF.

There's a special place in hell for dumb shits who can't recognize a joke, imo.

[Sektor]

good topic, wish i would of seen this before.

[Relbaic]

It's for a good cause, no matter where the money comes from. There is a special place in hell for people like you who try to make a good thing into something bad.

Totally going against the entire nature of RnF by being helpful, but they're in the same guild.

[Troubled]

It's for a good cause, no matter where the money comes from. There is a special place in hell for people like you who try to make a good thing into something bad.

http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/images/1310502388044.jpg

[Clark]

The geometry of RMT.

The Old RMT: God's Circle

Here we have the perfection and natural beauty of a circle; an all natural and 100% organic shape with goods and money flowing proportionally between buyer and seller. This is absolute verifiable truth and provable fact. This harmonious arrangement was declared illegal by the server staff, who have denied nature and defied the gods. They have stopped at nothing to disrupt the natural evolution of the economy.

http://i.imgur.com/ixILtma.gif


The New RMT: Satan's Open Triangle

This state of affairs could not last long. With the disruption of the RMT cycle the collapse of the server was imminent. Ultimately realizing their folly, the staff developed a new RMT scheme in an attempt to save the server, but it had a fatal flaw. Instead of returning to the rotating harmonic of circular RMT they have created the abomination of the "open triangle." This profane construction is an unsupported Satan shape. It breaks nature's LAW of simultaneous RMT enrichment. It is destined to collapse and will collapse.

http://i.imgur.com/ovTMXaR.gif

The Future RMT

When the staff realize the magnitude of their sin they will strive to prop open their foolish scheme with a third leg instead of returning to God's circle RMT. What hells lie in store for us in the future?

http://i.imgur.com/X8lL5Jo.png

lol wtf

[Nivar Quartz]

It's for a good cause, no matter where the money comes from. There is a special place in hell for people like you who try to make a good thing into something bad.

Here's ur Baseball Warren

http://i.imgur.com/8RrRy90.jpg

[Wookiewoowoo]

Real money donations for a chance at in game Items....

Every corner I look this server PILES on new ridiculous rules.
Yet they can't even follow their own.

[Godefroi]

The geometry of RMT.

The Old RMT: God's Circle

Here we have the perfection and natural beauty of a circle; an all natural and 100% organic shape with goods and money flowing proportionally between buyer and seller. This is absolute verifiable truth and provable fact. This harmonious arrangement was declared illegal by the server staff, who have denied nature and defied the gods. They have stopped at nothing to disrupt the natural evolution of the economy.

http://i.imgur.com/ixILtma.gif


The New RMT: Satan's Open Triangle

This state of affairs could not last long. With the disruption of the RMT cycle the collapse of the server was imminent. Ultimately realizing their folly, the staff developed a new RMT scheme in an attempt to save the server, but it had a fatal flaw. Instead of returning to the rotating harmonic of circular RMT they have created the abomination of the "open triangle." This profane construction is an unsupported Satan shape. It breaks nature's LAW of simultaneous RMT enrichment. It is destined to collapse and will collapse.

http://i.imgur.com/ovTMXaR.gif

The Future RMT

When the staff realize the magnitude of their sin they will strive to prop open their foolish scheme with a third leg instead of returning to God's circle RMT. What hells lie in store for us in the future?

http://i.imgur.com/X8lL5Jo.png

lol gold

[Orruar]

just to make something very clear. nobody is able to buy any items for p99 here. players can donate for a chance to be entered into a raffle. and various community members have donated items and plat to be given away as prizes.

Norova is running a 24hr live charity stream over at: http://www.twitch.tv/norova

even if you cant donate, please stop by. higher view count will draw more attention, and that attention will hopefully bring in more donations to help dying children.

<3
Sirks

So just to clarify.

RMT = bad
Casinos = bad

RMT + Casinos = good

[wwoneo]

just to make something very clear. nobody is able to buy any items for p99 here. players can donate for a chance to be entered into a raffle. and various community members have donated items and plat to be given away as prizes.

Norova is running a 24hr live charity stream over at: http://www.twitch.tv/norova

even if you cant donate, please stop by. higher view count will draw more attention, and that attention will hopefully bring in more donations to help dying children.

<3
Sirks

How do you not understand that this concept parallels the concept of RMT? This "charity" sounds a lot like something RMT sellers would come up with in order to launder their goods.

[khanable]

How do you not understand that this concept parallels the concept of RMT? This "charity" sounds a lot like something RMT sellers would come up with in order to launder their goods.

this guy hates children

[Jaxon]

How do you not understand that this concept parallels the concept of RMT? This "charity" sounds a lot like something RMT sellers would come up with in order to launder their goods.

Is it a crime to love children?

[Walth]

Is it a crime to love children?

Guess it depends on how you show that love...

[Derubael]

How do you not understand that this concept parallels the concept of RMT? This "charity" sounds a lot like something RMT sellers would come up with in order to launder their goods.

I hope posts like these are just trollin, or I am going to need to launch into a long explanation as to how this was verified and ensured to be legit - we went as far as requiring a donation list to be provided and took additional steps to ensure this list could not be forged.

It's not like this was just put on without being thoroughly vetted first, with a host of stipulations, rules, and regulations being applied in order for the event to be allowed. Norova can attest to how complete and inflexible his contract was - and needed to be - in order to put this fundraiser on. Really glad it turned out great and will continue to voice my support for more - despite having to do all the "RMT legwork" in order to ensure everything is legitimate. I am more than happy to do so if P99 and it's players can raise fifteen thousand dollars in a single day! I'm still shocked at this number, and will continue to be shocked until it's bested at the next fundraiser for dying children/dogs/moms/impoverished millionaires/whatever the next charity is. Cant wait for next time!

[iruinedyourday]

I hope posts like these are just trollin

My life here on p99 became considerably more tollerable once I read every post in RnF that wasn't directly positive, in a goofy sarcastic trolling voice in my head. :)

[wwoneo]

I hope posts like these are just trollin, or I am going to need to launch into a long explanation as to how this was verified and ensured to be legit - we went as far as requiring a donation list to be provided and took additional steps to ensure this list could not be forged.

Derubael,

Regardless of the charities validity the buyer side of the transaction is still the same. They are paying money for virtual currency and/or items. Your focus is misplaced. The fact that the charity is real has nothing to do with the fact it's RMT. The only difference is where the money goes.

[arsenalpow]

Derubael,

Regardless of the charities validity the buyer side of the transaction is still the same. They are paying money for virtual currency and/or items. Your focus is misplaced. The fact that the charity is real has nothing to do with the fact it's RMT. The only difference is where the money goes.

It was a raffle. The process was random.

[Jaxon]

Gambling and RMT all in one package? Doubly guilty!

[iruinedyourday]

Derubael,

Regardless of the charities validity the buyer side of the transaction is still the same. They are paying money for virtual currency and/or items. Your focus is misplaced. The fact that the charity is real has nothing to do with the fact it's RMT. The only difference is where the money goes.

bears beets battlestar galactica

[Korben]

How do you not understand that this concept parallels the concept of RMT? This "charity" sounds a lot like something RMT sellers would come up with in order to launder their goods.

You're a retard.

Signed, the entire community.

[wwoneo]

It was a raffle. The process was random.

It doesn't matter if the process was random. They are still buying a statistical percentage of the prizes.

Hypothetical example:
They do 10 more charities and you enter 'X' number of more times. Your chance to receive a prize also rises. Eventually, it approaches the point where it will be equivalent to purchasing a prize, etc...

[iruinedyourday]

It doesn't matter if the process was random. They are still buying a statistical percentage of the prizes.

Hypothetical example:
They do 10 more charities and you enter 'X' number of more times. Your chance to receive a prize also rises. Eventually, it approaches the point where it will be equivalent to purchasing a prize, etc...

boo freekn hoo

[wwoneo]

You're a retard.

Signed, the entire community.

Spoken like a true academic.

[Korben]

It doesn't matter if the process was random. They are still buying a statistical percentage of the prizes.

Hypothetical example:
They do 10 more charities and you enter 'X' number of more times. Your chance to receive a prize also rises. Eventually, it approaches the point where it will be equivalent to purchasing a prize, etc...

ITT: People who are so callous and twisted that they can't differentiate between Platlord and charities.

Also, I really don't even want to bother but to counter your "buying a prize point", there's always an upper limit on how much could be spent to "buy the prize", or at least diminishing returns on investment far below what RMT is actually present. Are you really going to spend $219,055 for a 97% chance to win a Manastone?

Plot twist: You win the Manastone but you are so unable to reconcile donating $219,055 to a children's charity that you kill yourself.

[arsenalpow]

It doesn't matter if the process was random. They are still buying a statistical percentage of the prizes.

Hypothetical example:
They do 10 more charities and you enter 'X' number of more times. Your chance to receive a prize also rises. Eventually, it approaches the point where it will be equivalent to purchasing a prize, etc...

Juevento won the 280k with 5 entries, Anichek won but he had 380ish entries. Random.

[Derubael]

Derubael,

Regardless of the charities validity the buyer side of the transaction is still the same. They are paying money for virtual currency and/or items. Your focus is misplaced. The fact that the charity is real has nothing to do with the fact it's RMT. The only difference is where the money goes.

I've never debated it wasn't a form of RMT, as a matter of fact, as the GM who handles all RMT related violations, I was solely responsible for ensuring that the "limited RMT license" - though it wasn't called this publicly granted to Norova was followed to the letter so that all the money was properly donated to charity and that the raffle was done in a fair and legitimate way. If this had been, say, an auction, we may have not allowed it and instead requested a raffle (the direct 1:1 trade of an item for real life currency enters a grey area we'd rather not sail this ship through. But who knows, maybe it would be allowed - that would be a Server Administration level question).

So again, yes, we all acknowledge that RMT took place during the charity/donation drive. We all also acknowledge that raising a 15 grand from a 15 year old elfsim community is one hell of an achievement. Nobody here with their head on straight should be trying to go against, stifle, or otherwise devalue or even remove entirely this accomplishment or what it means for P99. We as a staff found it to be a very simple decision to allow this to be put on, and may allow similar events to be put on in the future, so long as we can properly vet all ends of the process to ensure it's legitimately done (ie, the money is going where it's supposed to be going, the items are not "rigged" or "pre-selected" for users who donate/pay the most, etc). As long as it all checks out, it's likely they'll be granted the same restrictive and thorough license I granted Norova and his project.

Like someone stated above - pretty clear that everyone sees the difference between platlord and a charity for dying children here. If not then, well, you probably don't like dying children. I realize they make people feel depressed, but it's kinda fucked up to just give up on them altogether, you feel me?

One last congrats to Norova and everyone who donated to reach such an incredible amount of donations from such a small project - it makes me wonder what the largest ones were.. i'm sure some of the pro players from various games who participated made upwards of 40, 50k. Pretty fantastic that gamers could come together for a day and generate this kind of cash for good causes. Great day for gaming imo :)

[Lazie]

Yeah this is one thing you fools shouldn't be flaming about.

[wwoneo]

If this had been, say, an auction, we may have not allowed it and instead requested a raffle (the direct 1:1 trade of an item for real life currency enters a grey area we'd rather not sail this ship through. But who knows, maybe it would be allowed - that would be a Server Administration level question).

So, by your own admissions that means P99 does not condemn RMT transactions as long as the money is not used for selfish or immoral purposes? So, it would be okay to start a non-profit website that would buy AND sell p99 platinum at the same rate for no profit and bringing an RMT service to the p99 community?

[Korben]

So, by your own admissions that means P99 does not condemn RMT transactions as long as the money is not used for selfish or immoral purposes? So, it would be okay to start a non-profit website that would buy AND sell p99 platinum at the same rate for no profit and bringing an RMT service to the p99 community?

It means use common sense and stop trying to be a troll.

[iruinedyourday]

So, by your own admissions that means P99 does not condemn RMT transactions as long as the money is not used for selfish or immoral purposes? So, it would be okay to start a non-profit website that would buy AND sell p99 platinum at the same rate for no profit and bringing an RMT service to the p99 community?

I think it would be ok to RMT if the cause was to make you stop posting.

[wwoneo]

If the 1:1 ratio is a problem, what ratio would not cause problems? Where does p99 draw the line?

[Korben]

If the 1:1 ratio is a problem, what ratio would not cause problems? Where does p99 draw the line?

It draws the line at retard trolls trolling threads for no reason other than to troll

[wwoneo]

It means use common sense and stop trying to be a troll.

Wow, you respond quick.

[wwoneo]

It draws the line at retard trolls trolling threads for no reason other than to troll

My statements still hold validity. You may not care, but it's possible others do.

[Korben]

My statements still hold validity. You may not care, but it's possible others do.

Let's all wait patiently for them to reply then.

[wwoneo]

Let's all wait patiently for them to reply then.

And you call me the troll.

[norova]

wwoneo confirmed lead producer of 9/11: In Plane Site (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/911:_In_Plane_Site)

[wwoneo]

I've never debated it wasn't a form of RMT, as a matter of fact, as the GM who handles all RMT related violations, I was solely responsible for ensuring that the "limited RMT license" - though it wasn't called this publicly granted to Norova was followed to the letter so that all the money was properly donated to charity and that the raffle was done in a fair and legitimate way. If this had been, say, an auction, we may have not allowed it and instead requested a raffle (the direct 1:1 trade of an item for real life currency enters a grey area we'd rather not sail this ship through. But who knows, maybe it would be allowed - that would be a Server Administration level question).

So again, yes, we all acknowledge that RMT took place during the charity/donation drive. We all also acknowledge that raising a 15 grand from a 15 year old elfsim community is one hell of an achievement. Nobody here with their head on straight should be trying to go against, stifle, or otherwise devalue or even remove entirely this accomplishment or what it means for P99. We as a staff found it to be a very simple decision to allow this to be put on, and may allow similar events to be put on in the future, so long as we can properly vet all ends of the process to ensure it's legitimately done (ie, the money is going where it's supposed to be going, the items are not "rigged" or "pre-selected" for users who donate/pay the most, etc). As long as it all checks out, it's likely they'll be granted the same restrictive and thorough license I granted Norova and his project.

Like someone stated above - pretty clear that everyone sees the difference between platlord and a charity for dying children here. If not then, well, you probably don't like dying children. I realize they make people feel depressed, but it's kinda fucked up to just give up on them altogether, you feel me?

One last congrats to Norova and everyone who donated to reach such an incredible amount of donations from such a small project - it makes me wonder what the largest ones were.. i'm sure some of the pro players from various games who participated made upwards of 40, 50k. Pretty fantastic that gamers could come together for a day and generate this kind of cash for good causes. Great day for gaming imo :)

Okay, I think I've got it. Let's say I hypothetically start a non-profit website that sells platinum to the community. You pay 'X' number of dollars and you get a RANDOM chance at receiving 50%, 75%, 90% etc (up to the ratio deemed allowable by p99 staff) of a stated amount of platinum. The site will also buy platinum. For example, someone donates 100$ and gets a chance at winning some percentage of 50k platinum based on a random number generator (let's say this person wins 50% of 50k: 25k). This site will also buy 25k platinum in a different transaction for 50$. Meaning there is an outstanding 50$ balance. That 50$ gets donated to a legitimate charity... let's say for starving children. Would p99 accept this charitable site? I'm sure there would be a great number of people interested as long as it would be run legitimately, and it follows along the lines of all of your criteria.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

lol

[YendorLootmonkey]

Okay, I think I've got it. Let's say I hypothetically start a non-profit website that sells platinum to the community. You pay 'X' number of dollars and you get a RANDOM chance at receiving 50%, 75%, 90% etc (up to the ratio deemed allowable by p99 staff) of a stated amount of platinum. The site will also buy platinum. For example, someone donates 100$ and gets a chance at winning some percentage of 50k platinum based on a random number generator (let's say this person wins 50% of 50k: 25k). This site will also buy 25k platinum in a different transaction for 50$. Meaning there is an outstanding 50$ balance. That 50$ gets donated to a legitimate charity... let's say for starving children. Would p99 accept this charitable site? I'm sure there would be a great number of people interested as long as it would be run legitimately, and it follows along the lines of all of your criteria.

I was wondering, good sir... Do you look at yourself in the mirror with any contempt/disgust after you finish rules-lawyering ways to leverage the plight of dying children for pixels, or do you just have no conscience or morality at all?

[iruinedyourday]

Okay, I think I've got it. Let's say I hypothetically start a non-profit website that sells platinum to the community. You pay 'X' number of dollars and you get a RANDOM chance at receiving 50%, 75%, 90% etc (up to the ratio deemed allowable by p99 staff) of a stated amount of platinum. The site will also buy platinum. For example, someone donates 100$ and gets a chance at winning some percentage of 50k platinum based on a random number generator (let's say this person wins 50% of 50k: 25k). This site will also buy 25k platinum in a different transaction for 50$. Meaning there is an outstanding 50$ balance. That 50$ gets donated to a legitimate charity... let's say for starving children. Would p99 accept this charitable site? I'm sure there would be a great number of people interested as long as it would be run legitimately, and it follows along the lines of all of your criteria.

hows it feel out of all of us that play p99, to be confirmed the stupidest mother fucker on the server?

[wwoneo]

I was wondering, good sir... Do you look at yourself in the mirror with any contempt/disgust after you finish rules-lawyering ways to leverage the plight of dying children for pixels, or do you just have no conscience or morality at all?

DO YOU NOT CARE ABOUT ALL THE POTENTIAL STARVING CHILDREN THIS COULD SAVE!?

[wwoneo]

hows it feel out of all of us that play p99, to be confirmed the stupidest mother fucker on the server?

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?

[Estolcles]

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?

http://www.memegene.net/media/created/7ta6py.jpg

[iruinedyourday]

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?

i am very :D

[Wookiewoowoo]

I hope posts like these are just trollin, or I am going to need to launch into a long explanation as to how this was verified and ensured to be legit - we went as far as requiring a donation list to be provided and took additional steps to ensure this list could not be forged.

It's not like this was just put on without being thoroughly vetted first, with a host of stipulations, rules, and regulations being applied in order for the event to be allowed. Norova can attest to how complete and inflexible his contract was - and needed to be - in order to put this fundraiser on. Really glad it turned out great and will continue to voice my support for more - despite having to do all the "RMT legwork" in order to ensure everything is legitimate. I am more than happy to do so if P99 and it's players can raise fifteen thousand dollars in a single day! I'm still shocked at this number, and will continue to be shocked until it's bested at the next fundraiser for dying children/dogs/moms/impoverished millionaires/whatever the next charity is. Cant wait for next time!

The server demands zero RMT.
Yet a RMR (real money raffle) was setup. It doesn't matter who the money was for, REAL money was used for a in game item raffle.
If the raffle was for items OUTSIDE of the game this would have been fine (new laptop,tablet, etc...).
Just because the raffle has a "good cause" doesn't change the rules and make it right.
There are a trillion of charities on the internet. Anybody can donate to what ever cause they want at any time. The fact that a item raffle was approved to bring in more donators to this particular "good cause" shows that the people who approved this raffle believe the in game items have REAL money value. Just as any other raffle is.
The people who are in charge of any raffle have items for people to win. People generally donate/play at a chance to win these items of value (granted some do it out of the kindness of their heart but that isn't the majority).
I'm not against this raffle, what I am against is people who make a MEGA FUCK TON LOAD of rules and then when they want turn their head on them it seems to be no problem~

[Korben]

Just because the raffle has a "good cause" doesn't change the rules and make it right.


As it turns out, the staff can do whatever the fuck they want with their server

[Shinko]

why do i pay an subscription for p99 for all these babies?

[Jimjam]

I imagine charity raffles were outside the scope of consideration when the RMT rules were drafted.

As such, when the suggestion was made to had one it made sense for the rules had to be reevaluated under that lense rather than applying rules to a situation they were not designed to govern.

[Barkingturtle]

It's really easy to identify the posters who have been banned for RMT.

I pray they manage to get future charitable activities on P99 outlawed just in time for their own children to develop leukemia.

[norova]

I pray they manage to get future charitable activities on P99 outlawed just in time for their own children to develop leukemia.

I know this is RnF and all, but this makes me sad. :(

[Korben]

It's really easy to identify the posters who have been banned for RMT.

I pray they manage to get future charitable activities on P99 outlawed just in time for their own children to develop leukemia.

Implying someone would breed with these trolls

[Barkingturtle]

I know this is RnF and all, but this makes me sad. :(

I'm sorry. If it's any consolation, I was just kidding.

I mean, I don't actually pray.

[Barkingturtle]

Also, thanks for doing this, Norova. It has been inspirational. I'm already thinking of what game I want to stream myself next year.

[Secrets]

There's a difference between RMT and a raffle. You DONATE money for a CHANCE of winning an item. You do not SPEND MONEY FOR A DIRECT DEPOSIT OF ITEMS TO YOUR ACCOUNT.

Hell, he could have trolled everyone, took your money, and not given items away in a raffle - and there would have been nothing you could do unless you're some kind of scumbag that takes from dying kids.

[norova]

Hell, he could have trolled everyone, took your money, and not given items away in a raffle - and there would have been nothing you could do unless you're some kind of scumbag that takes from dying kids.

Heh yeah.. definitely didn't d

[norova]

do that

[norova]

Sorry, the WiFi on this flight to Fiji is pretty spotty, but I should have a more stable connection at the cottage I'm renting for a month.

thx for the vacation suckerz! 8)

[HeallunRumblebelly]

There's a difference between RMT and a raffle. You DONATE money for a CHANCE of winning an item. You do not SPEND MONEY FOR A DIRECT DEPOSIT OF ITEMS TO YOUR ACCOUNT.

Hell, he could have trolled everyone, took your money, and not given items away in a raffle - and there would have been nothing you could do unless you're some kind of scumbag that takes from dying kids.

Can we start our own RL money for items raffles then and post them in EC tunnel? Because we can't even do casinos now in EC tunnel with platinum and this just feels like an extension of that.

[norova]

Can we start our own RL money for items raffles then and post them in EC tunnel? Because we can't even do casinos now in EC tunnel with platinum and this just feels like an extension of that.

I know you're not as stupid as your question makes you seem. Go get some more sleep, bud.

[wwoneo]

Can we start our own RL money for items raffles then and post them in EC tunnel? Because we can't even do casinos now in EC tunnel with platinum and this just feels like an extension of that.

I think it's a fair question. However, I think the answer would be something like this, "No you can't make your own raffles. Why you ask? Because it's our server and we can do w/e the fuck we want. If you don't like it play somewhere else."

[Jimjam]

Can we start our own RL money for items raffles then and post them in EC tunnel? Because we can't even do casinos now in EC tunnel with platinum and this just feels like an extension of that.

As long as proceeds go towards a Non Profit Organisation, such as the Russel Jimmy's charity, 'For Addicted Gamers', then I don't see why the staff would have a problem.

[Derubael]

The server demands zero RMT.
Yet a RMR (real money raffle) was setup. It doesn't matter who the money was for, REAL money was used for a in game item raffle.
If the raffle was for items OUTSIDE of the game this would have been fine (new laptop,tablet, etc...).
Just because the raffle has a "good cause" doesn't change the rules and make it right.
There are a trillion of charities on the internet. Anybody can donate to what ever cause they want at any time. The fact that a item raffle was approved to bring in more donators to this particular "good cause" shows that the people who approved this raffle believe the in game items have REAL money value. Just as any other raffle is.
The people who are in charge of any raffle have items for people to win. People generally donate/play at a chance to win these items of value (granted some do it out of the kindness of their heart but that isn't the majority).
I'm not against this raffle, what I am against is people who make a MEGA FUCK TON LOAD of rules and then when they want turn their head on them it seems to be no problem~

As it turns out, the staff can do whatever the fuck they want with their server

Sums it up nicely. I feel like you must have been banned for RMT to be getting this worked up over a positive use of the server like this. I am sorry that you don't agree with it but it's not your box and you don't make the rules. We all sat down and agreed we wanted this to go through as long as we could make sure it was legitimate on all sides, and thats exactly what we did.

That should really be sufficient. Clearly the RMT rules are there for specific reasons - blocking fundraisers for children's cancer foundations is not one of them

:eek:

thx p99 for saving dying children <3

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Sums it up nicely. I feel like you must have been banned for RMT to be getting this worked up over a positive use of the server like this. I am sorry that you don't agree with it but it's not your box and you don't make the rules. We all sat down and agreed we wanted this to go through as long as we could make sure it was legitimate on all sides, and thats exactly what we did.

That should really be sufficient. Clearly the RMT rules are there for specific reasons - blocking fundraisers for children's cancer foundations is not one of them

:eek:

thx p99 for saving dying children <3

Fuck the kids, it's about integrity of pixels ~

[wwoneo]

That should really be sufficient. Clearly the RMT rules are there for specific reasons - blocking fundraisers for children's cancer foundations is not one of them


Could you clarify what these "specific reasons" are? I thought it was to prevent people from being able to "pay 2 win," prevent drastic economy changes, etc... from running the game. If these were not some of the specific reasons, why have you banned RMT buyers in the past?

[wwoneo]

Sums it up nicely. I feel like you must have been banned for RMT to be getting this worked up over a positive use of the server like this. I am sorry that you don't agree with it but it's not your box and you don't make the rules. We all sat down and agreed we wanted this to go through as long as we could make sure it was legitimate on all sides, and thats exactly what we did.

That should really be sufficient. Clearly the RMT rules are there for specific reasons - blocking fundraisers for children's cancer foundations is not one of them

:eek:

thx p99 for saving dying children <3

If you want the explanation to be because p99 is Rogean/Nilbog's server and they can do whatever the fuck they want, then just say that now and be done with it.

[Glenzig]

If you want the explanation to be because p99 is Rogean/Nilbog's server and they can do whatever the fuck they want, then just say that now and be done with it.

That is exactly what he said. Learn to read.

[Archalen]

This thread could be the start of a groundbreaking research project on the quick identification of sociopaths.

[Secrets]

I mean, if you want to organize a non-profit charity and get communities involved in it, and have P99 as your base of operations, then go for it and post your own links on these forums after talking to the staff about it.

When you complete the paperwork that Extra Life has done for tax breaks for participants etc, sure, I think the staff will legitimize your raffle.

Though, I think if you defraud the community in the process and/or rig the raffle, you will end up banned and you won't get anything out of it anyways. There's proceedings you have to go through to do a raffle; you can't just post on the forums saying "I'm giving out items to those who donate to my cause". It's a lot more complicated and the staff has to be given notice and reasonable cause to support your goals.

If it's going to your personal paypal and then to a charity, you can bet there's no chance in hell that it will be approved. That's why this Extra Life thing is so great; norova didn't see any money directly, only on his charity page where he can approve it. He can't physically touch the funds.

I'm sure if you make your own raffle with items to give away, and notify the staff ahead of time, they'd approve it. Extra Life operates year round. Example, If TMO wants to raffle their guild bank off for charity, and their guild leaders approve it, I don't see anything stopping it provided they go ahead and mention it to staff and their guild members beforehand.

Actually, I think it'd be cool if every guild on the server raffled off half of their guild banks. It'd be pretty neat.

[iruinedyourday]

Fuck the kids, it's about integrity of pixels ~

if you play everquest, you have no integrity. Its a video game son.

[wwoneo]

I mean, if you want to organize a non-profit charity and get communities involved in it, and have P99 as your base of operations, then go for it and post your own links on these forums after talking to the staff about it.

When you complete the paperwork that Extra Life has done for tax breaks for participants etc, sure, I think the staff will legitimize your raffle.

Though, I think if you defraud the community in the process and/or rig the raffle, you will end up banned and you won't get anything out of it anyways. There's proceedings you have to go through to do a raffle; you can't just post on the forums saying "I'm giving out items to those who donate to my cause". It's a lot more complicated and the staff has to be given notice and reasonable cause to support your goals.

If it's going to your personal paypal and then to a charity, you can bet there's no chance in hell that it will be approved. That's why this Extra Life thing is so great; norova didn't see any money directly, only on his charity page where he can approve it. He can't physically touch the funds.

I'm sure if you make your own raffle with items to give away, and notify the staff ahead of time, they'd approve it. Extra Life operates year round. Example, If TMO wants to raffle their guild bank off for charity, and their guild leaders approve it, I don't see anything stopping it provided they go ahead and mention it to staff and their guild members beforehand.

Actually, I think it'd be cool if every guild on the server raffled off half of their guild banks. It'd be pretty neat.

Now that's a well thought out and respectable answer. Good job!

[wwoneo]

Secrets should be P99 PR representative.

[katrik]

You know you got some real shitheads here when people pitching a fit over a charity. Open your heart pals.

[Wookiewoowoo]

Sums it up nicely. I feel like you must have been banned for RMT to be getting this worked up over a positive use of the server like this. I am sorry that you don't agree with it but it's not your box and you don't make the rules. We all sat down and agreed we wanted this to go through as long as we could make sure it was legitimate on all sides, and thats exactly what we did.

That should really be sufficient. Clearly the RMT rules are there for specific reasons - blocking fundraisers for children's cancer foundations is not one of them

:eek:

thx p99 for saving dying children <3

nope never rmt'ed, don't even care about rmt.
The raid rules are what PISS me off. I don't even think we should have a forum for displaying or arguing about rules. When I played EQ years ago I NEVER EVER EVER had to visit a stinking forum to figure out what I can and can't do. Me and my guild did what ever we wanted to in game.(No cheating of course)
But here you have to read the forum rules and honestly it is the worst aspect of this server. So when staff breaks one of the rules, Yea Imma call it out.

[wwoneo]

nope never rmt'ed, don't even care about rmt.
The raid rules are what PISS me off. I don't even think we should have a forum for displaying or arguing about rules. When I played EQ years ago I NEVER EVER EVER had to visit a stinking forum to figure out what I can and can't do. Me and my guild did what ever we wanted to in game.(No cheating of course)
But here you have to read the forum rules and honestly it is the worst aspect of this server. So when staff breaks one of the rules, Yea Imma call it out.

I agree. I don't like inconsistent decision making. Terms should be stipulated before hand if there are rules, then they shouldn't be changed without an announcement and an allowed time period for people to adjust when necessary.

[norova]

I agree. I don't like inconsistent decision making. Terms should be stipulated before hand if there are rules, then they shouldn't be changed without an announcement and an allowed time period for people to adjust when necessary.

I grasp your viewpoint with those statements, but it seems irrelevant to this thread.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Yes, but why does it have to be charity? Is that because of the "no profit" rule that is sometimes enforced on emulated servers?

[Orruar]

The charity isn't the only one to benefit here. The person streaming this on twitch picked up new subscribers, gaining them more advertising money. The P99 server got more attention, gaining it users and thus donations. It's looking like the recent RMT + casino crackdown was just a way to suppress supply, so as to spike demand just in time for a "legitimate" RMT + casino system.

Hats off to those that had the political acumen to pull this off. The kids win, those running the server win, the one streaming the event wins, the lucky casino winners win, and all we had to do was forego any pretense of consistent server rules.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Mad

[iruinedyourday]

I hope more of these happen if only to ruin all yalls day.

[Orruar]

Mad

I'm a little glad, but also sad, that the server I once thought was rad, had instead tried to pad its coffers using this fad, while also helping add to the life of a little lad, whose dad had the work ethic of an unemployed post-grad wearing plaid. -Vlad

Really though, the intentions of helping children are completely pure and intentions are the only thing that matter, right? If other people make a little extra on the side, the children benefit and that's what's important.

[wwoneo]

I'm a little glad, but also sad, that the server I once thought was rad, had instead tried to pad its coffers using this fad, while also helping add to the life of a little lad, whose dad had the work ethic of an unemployed post-grad wearing plaid. -Vlad

Really though, the intentions of helping children are completely pure and intentions are the only thing that matter, right? If other people make a little extra on the side, the children benefit and that's what's important.

The road to hell was paved with good intentions.

[wwoneo]

I hope more of these happen if only to ruin all yalls day.

I'm starting to think you're only purpose here is to provoke people. I don't even think you believe in the things you say. You just do them to get a rise out of people. You're a fun guy.

[wwoneo]

your*

[iruinedyourday]

I'm starting to think you're only purpose here is to provoke people. I don't even think you believe in the things you say. You just do them to get a rise out of people. You're a fun guy.

I would love to hear what you interpenetrated my stance to be form this forum :D

by all means, do tell!

[wwoneo]

I would love to hear what you interpenetrated my stance to be form this forum :D

by all means, do tell!

if you play everquest, you have no integrity. Its a video game son.
hows it feel out of all of us that play p99, to be confirmed the stupidest mother fucker on the server?
boo freekn hoo
I think it would be ok to RMT if the cause was to make you stop posting.

Pretty sure these comments were how I "interpenetrated" your stance.

[Glenzig]

your*

Nope. You had it right the first time.

[wwoneo]

Nope. You had it right the first time.

The second "You're" is correct. The first one is not. Reread the post.

[Glenzig]

The second "You're" is correct. The first one is not. Reread the post.

So it is. So it is.

[iruinedyourday]

Pretty sure these comments were how I "interpenetrated" your stance.

yea but what's my STANCE.. like what do you think i believe in based on all those posts!

[Glenzig]

yea but what's my STANCE.. like what do you think i believe in based on all those posts!

That you're awesome 'n stuff!!! Jerk!!! :)

[iruinedyourday]

That you're awesome 'n stuff!!! Jerk!!! :)

https://whybecausescience.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/success_baby_meme.png

[norova]

If other people make a little extra on the side, the children benefit and that's what's important.

Just to clarify, I am not a Twitch partner and therefore do not receive any monetary benefit whatsoever from Twitch.

[Orruar]

Just to clarify, I am not a Twitch partner and therefore do not receive any monetary benefit whatsoever from Twitch.

Just to clarify, becoming a Twitch partner requires that you have a certain number of average viewers. An increase in viewership due to this event increases the likelihood of getting on the Twitch payroll in the future.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Just to clarify, becoming a Twitch partner requires that you have a certain number of average viewers. An increase in viewership due to this event increases the likelihood of getting on the Twitch payroll in the future.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/2a/2a50a6de84db99fb075cacf498ea576791fc3bf5547528dbd4 44ea3dfe48abc7.jpg

[norova]

Just to clarify, becoming a Twitch partner requires that you have a certain number of average viewers. An increase in viewership due to this event increases the likelihood of getting on the Twitch payroll in the future.

I'll be sure to PM your dirty pictures of me rolling around in all the cash.

[norova]

you*

Oops, not gud speeling

[Clark]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/2a/2a50a6de84db99fb075cacf498ea576791fc3bf5547528dbd4 44ea3dfe48abc7.jpg

lol

[Cistern]

I thought casinos were banned from p99

[Orruar]

I thought casinos were banned from p99

Much like the government, the P99 staff only allows casinos if it's the worst form of gambling possible (lottery in RL, RMT casino on P99). And in both cases, they justify it by using some of the profits to help children (school funding via lottery, child charity via the P99 RMT casino).