Can someone accurately explain GameGate in a sentence?

[Misto]

I've been reading different articles about GamerGate, and I am starting to think it isn't a real problem.

Just a bunch of women complaining that they are being portrayed as weak and helpless in video games.

But there are plenty of games which don't portray women that way.

So I am led to believe that this isn't a problem and just a form of extreme attention whoring for ugly women who can't be cam-girls.

[Big_Japan]

it's all over the blogosphere

[iruinedyourday]

haha a bunch of nerds are idiots.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Q: Can someone accurately explain GameGate in a sentence?

A: GameGate is not a thing and neither is GamersGate, perhaps you mean GamerGate which can be explained in an additional sentence if you wish.

[Bboboo]

People think Gaming Journalism should be held with the highest honor and, people fall for feminist troll bait.

[Cistern]

People think Gaming Journalism should be held with the highest honor and, people fall for feminist troll bait.

this. just watch it as a trainwreck and don't get involved. it will all blow over soon.

kinda like juggalos but they never blew over

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

this. just watch it as a trainwreck and don't get involved. it will all blow over soon.

kinda like juggalos but they never blew over

That's what they said a month ago, and a month before that. ;)

[Bboboo]

kinda like juggalos but they never blew over



Yo you disrespecting the gathering? WHOOP WHOOP !

[India]

Here, this will help
http://bit.ly/1CVXsUe

[Misto]

Ah Thanks India.

A gamergate (pronounced /ˈɡæmərˌɡeɪt/) is a reproductively viable female worker ant that is able to reproduce with mature males when the colony is lacking a queen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate

[loramin]

I've been reading different articles about GamerGate, and I am starting to think it isn't a real problem.

Just a bunch of women complaining that they are being portrayed as weak and helpless in video games.

But there are plenty of games which don't portray women that way.

So I am led to believe that this isn't a problem and just a form of extreme attention whoring for ugly women who can't be cam-girls.

You've misunderstood. Gamergate began with a few women criticizing the game industry, but that's not what it's about now. What it's about now is the angry nerd reaction to to that criticism, where they think it's ok to make death and rape threats to anyone whose opinion they disagree with. That is what has gotten all the media attention, not some academic criticism of female representation in games.

[paulgiamatti]

GamerGate is a perfect repository for the kind of misogyny demonstrated by the OP. That's all it is, really.

I say if it separates and provides an isolation chamber for misogynists that don't realize the objectification of women in video games is a real issue, then more power to it. I'd rather they be caught in their own idiotic feedback loop than attempt to spew their shit all over the rest of us.

[paulgiamatti]

You've misunderstood. Gamergate began with a few women criticizing the game industry, but that's not what it's about now. What it's about now is the angry nerd reaction to to that criticism, where they think it's ok to make death and rape threats to anyone whose opinion they disagree with. That is what has gotten all the media attention, not some academic criticism of female representation in games.

This is also an inaccurate representation of GamerGate. GamerGate began with misogynistic criticism of female journalists, and is still very much the same thing - it's just escalated from criticism to harassment to rape and death threats. The media attention around this is specifically because of the criticism of female representation in games and the video games industry; and industry where women are systematically excluded, and portrayed as background decoration and as mere objects for violence and abuse.

[harnold]

Its sad that you guys are even giving them recognition, just ignore them and they will go away instead of spreading awareness of them

[paulgiamatti]

Ignoring the issue is exactly what got us in this mess.

[Raev]

The media attention around this is specifically because of the criticism of female representation in games and the video games industry; and industry where women are systematically excluded, and portrayed as background decoration and as mere objects for violence and abuse.

Serious question Paul: while you may disagree with the video game industry, why do you not consider this kind of thing free speech?

[paulgiamatti]

It is by all means free speech, and should remain perfectly legal in every regard. I'm simply arguing, along with people like Anita Sarkeesian, that it should be beneath our contempt and understood as detrimental to a world in which we treat women as human beings - human beings who are every bit as human as men.

It should be unappealing to everyone. The people championing GamerGate have this perception that a less patriarchal video game industry - a less patriarchal world - would somehow be lacking or less pleasing to them. I don't understand this in any way whatsoever. Awareness about issues, whether those issues are tropes or the blatant objectification of women, have never made me enjoy something less.

I'm done dancing around the issue about GamerGate, and I'm calling a spade a spade. GamerGate was founded on misogyny, it promulgates misogyny, it reinforces misogyny, and it is synonymous with misogyny.

[Orruar]

I thought GG started off about corruption in video game journalism and then feminists tried to jump on the issue to gain more awareness to their batshit crazy ideas.

[Raev]

It is by all means free speech, and should remain perfectly legal in every regard. I'm simply arguing, along with people like Anita Sarkeesian, that it should be beneath our contempt and understood as detrimental to a world in which we treat women as human beings - human beings who are every bit as human as men.

Then why are you so upset? They have the right to create the kind of games they wish, you have the right to criticize them, and women have the right to play or not play those video games as they choose. Why the need for the strong language?

[iruinedyourday]

Well it really started with a female game developer cheating on her boyfriend, that boyrfriend being a stupid nerd and posting on her blog about it like a cry baby. And then everyone in the 4chan realising that hte person she cheated on him with worked as a game journalist.. so they started saying OMG SHE TRADED SEX FOR GOOD REVIEWS! then it turned out the journalist in question, or the publication he worked for never published anything about her game.. so it was just a bunch of stupd nerds shouting fire when there is none.

THEN they tried to say it was about integrity targeting Anita Sarkeesian after her having set up a crowd funded web-series and getting 100k'ish for it. They claimed that her videos could be made for far less than she says they cost to make.. So they started demanding that she publish receipts for all her spending on them, thinking that she was just pulling some sort of internet scam. Using the yet again false accusation as the reason why they are attacking her.

Ironically prior to becoming public enemy #1 for gamergate, the only public connection these two women had with each other were that they spoke out on the web for gaming equality and fair representation for women in video games.

Since then gamergate attempted to say its about 'journalistic integrity' but they also are too dumb to understand that biased reviews are how reviews have worked since the inception of reviews, let alone the life span. You find someone who's opinions match yours, and you listen to them, because you like their opinions because are in line with yours.

tl;dr a bunch of anti social nerds, are all hopped up on crazy pills and also in most cases hate women because of the constant fear of rejection they feel when they get out of bed every day, alone.

Side bonus, everyone IN the games industry listens to Anita Sarkeesian, and HATES gamergate.

At least anyone who is employable!

So the games industry is safe, while 4chan? You can still go there to enjoy people that have similar taste (aside from classic eq) as the racist piece of garbage, Rust1d.

[haksum]

It is by all means free speech, and should remain perfectly legal in every regard. I'm simply arguing, along with people like Anita Sarkeesian, that it should be beneath our contempt and understood as detrimental to a world in which we treat women as human beings - human beings who are every bit as human as men.

It should be unappealing to everyone. The people championing GamerGate have this perception that a less patriarchal video game industry - a less patriarchal world - would somehow be lacking or less pleasing to them. I don't understand this in any way whatsoever. Awareness about issues, whether those issues are tropes or the blatant objectification of women, have never made me enjoy something less.

I'm done dancing around the issue about GamerGate, and I'm calling a spade a spade. GamerGate was founded on misogyny, it promulgates misogyny, it reinforces misogyny, and it is synonymous with misogyny.

I love your posts. Always good for a laugh. Can you even make a post where you're not trying to champion some cause or use the word misogyny (usually multiple times)? You're so fired up about an issue that less than 1% of the population even knows or cares about. I can picture you on some street corner handing out pamphlets on 'GamerGate' with the terms misogyny and tropes written all over it thinking the average successful adult even gives two shits about this. I know, I know... It's all just a reflection on the bigger picture of our patriarchal society and all it's wrongs. Keep on keeping on, brother. One day you'll get to touch a real vagina.

[paulgiamatti]

an issue that less than 1% of the population even knows or cares about.

Making my own point for me. It's a shame it's lost on you.

[paulgiamatti]

Then why are you so upset? They have the right to create the kind of games they wish, you have the right to criticize them, and women have the right to play or not play those video games as they choose. Why the need for the strong language?

Because - in case you've so easily forgotten - women who even dare to utter a word about these issues are having their personal information published, being forced to flee their homes because of the constant death threats and threats of violence and rape, and can't even go about holding a seminar without someone threatening to go on a fucking shooting spree.

That is the death of free speech. A better question is, why aren't more people upset about this?

[haksum]

Ignoring the issue is exactly what got us in this mess.

Making my own point for me. It's a shame it's lost on you.


No, I get it lol. I just don't think trying to champion the cause here is going to have the intended effect. Literally, you should take to the streets and hand out those pamphlets instead of arguing here in RnF if you are a true crusader. Your average person just isn't going to think this is the big issue you make it out to be. I encourage you to try to prove me wrong.

I don't agree that anyone should be receiving death threats, so don't think I advocate for that, but I've seen a couple of the videos on this thing and they absolutely have the wrong women as the face of their campaign if they want to gain any real traction.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

You've misunderstood. Gamergate began with a few women criticizing the game industry, but that's not what it's about now. What it's about now is the angry nerd reaction to to that criticism, where they think it's ok to make death and rape threats to anyone whose opinion they disagree with. That is what has gotten all the media attention, not some academic criticism of female representation in games.
False. It began as a consumer revolt reacting to 14 articles released on the same day saying "Gamers are dead".
GamerGate is a perfect repository for the kind of misogyny demonstrated by the OP. That's all it is, really.

I say if it separates and provides an isolation chamber for misogynists that don't realize the objectification of women in video games is a real issue, then more power to it. I'd rather they be caught in their own idiotic feedback loop than attempt to spew their shit all over the rest of us.
Prove it.

Just as many pro-GG women have been threatened by the other side. You do realize that the internet has trolls out there that simply troll for attention and don't necessarily require an alliance to either group? You do realize that don't you?
This is also an inaccurate representation of GamerGate. GamerGate began with misogynistic criticism of female journalists, and is still very much the same thing - it's just escalated from criticism to harassment to rape and death threats.
False. See above. Not a single threat has been proven to come from any pro-GG party.
Stop with your listen and believe bullshit and learn to trust but verify.

The media attention around this is specifically because of the criticism of female representation in games and the video games industry; and industry where women are systematically excluded, and portrayed as background decoration and as mere objects for violence and abuse.
Stop drinking the kool-aid. You clearly have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
Its sad that you guys are even giving them recognition, just ignore them and they will go away instead of spreading awareness of them
Actually it's the professional victims that keep giving this media attention. All GG wants to do is send emails and burn Kotaku/Gawker to the ground.
Ignoring the issue is exactly what got us in this mess.
No, ignoring issues is what allowed this SJW bullshit to infect every form of entertainment. If you can't see the parallels between the current blame of video games for misogyny and Jack Thompson trying to blame video games for violence, I really don't know what to tell you.
Well it really started with a female game developer cheating on her boyfriend, that boyrfriend being a stupid nerd and posting on her blog about it like a cry baby. And then everyone in the 4chan realising that hte person she cheated on him with worked as a game journalist.. so they started saying OMG SHE TRADED SEX FOR GOOD REVIEWS! then it turned out the journalist in question, or the publication he worked for never published anything about her game.. so it was just a bunch of stupd nerds shouting fire when there is none.

THEN they tried to say it was about integrity targeting Anita Sarkeesian after her having set up a crowd funded web-series and getting 100k'ish for it. They claimed that her videos could be made for far less than she says they cost to make.. So they started demanding that she publish receipts for all her spending on them, thinking that she was just pulling some sort of internet scam. Using the yet again false accusation as the reason why they are attacking her.

Ironically prior to becoming public enemy #1 for gamergate, the only public connection these two women had with each other were that they spoke out on the web for gaming equality and fair representation for women in video games.

Since then gamergate attempted to say its about 'journalistic integrity' but they also are too dumb to understand that biased reviews are how reviews have worked since the inception of reviews, let alone the life span. You find someone who's opinions match yours, and you listen to them, because you like their opinions because are in line with yours.

tl;dr a bunch of anti social nerds, are all hopped up on crazy pills and also in most cases hate women because of the constant fear of rejection they feel when they get out of bed every day, alone.

Side bonus, everyone IN the games industry listens to Anita Sarkeesian, and HATES gamergate.

At least anyone who is employable!

So the games industry is safe, while 4chan? You can still go there to enjoy people that have similar taste (aside from classic eq) as the racist piece of garbage, Rust1d.

So much false information it's not worth breaking down. Watch this instead. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIpw3wHn9Sk)

[iruinedyourday]

Wrong, my post 100% accurate.

[Glenzig]

Stop the culture appropriation!!!!

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Because - in case you've so easily forgotten - women who even dare to utter a word about these issues are having their personal information published, being forced to flee their homes because of the constant death threats and threats of violence and rape, and can't even go about holding a seminar without someone threatening to go on a fucking shooting spree.

That is the death of free speech. A better question is, why aren't more people upset about this?

Here's the long list of female critics harmed since the start of all of this:

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Wrong, my post 100% accurate.

Prove it
Or get the fuck out you beta fuck.

[paulgiamatti]

Literally, you should take to the streets and hand out those pamphlets instead of arguing here in RnF if you are a true crusader. Your average person just isn't going to think this is the big issue you make it out to be.

Right, because the average person isn't a gamer that would be inclined to care about these issues either way. This is why third wave feminism doesn't exclusively focus on video games. What better an avenue to discuss these issues than a forum that saw absolutely nothing wrong with leeching web traffic off illegally obtained nudes of Jennifer Lawrence? I prefer to attack the problem where the problem actually exists. If I'm overwhelmingly the vocal minority, that's a clear indication I'm speaking in the right place.

I don't agree that anyone should be receiving death threats, so don't think I advocate for that, but I've seen a couple of the videos on this thing and they absolutely have the wrong women as the face of their campaign if they want to gain any real traction.

I disagree, but I can see where this becomes an issue and, believe it or not, I can see why people like Kagatob can't stand Anita Sarkeesian. I don't follow that train of thought - Anita Sarkeesian has the most accurate viewpoint on this issue, even if she occasionally errs on the side of pedantry. Anita Sarkeesian calling a spade a spade, or even being nauseatingly pedantic - which I don't think she is - does not and absolutely should not rationalize ending her speech on video games in a bloodbath.

[paulgiamatti]

Ugh, Kaga is disgusting.

[iruinedyourday]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/the-man-who-sparked-gamergate-regrets-the-harassment-but-say

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Right, because the average person isn't a gamer that would be inclined to care about these issues either way. This is why third wave feminism doesn't exclusively focus on video games. What better an avenue to discuss these issues than a forum that saw absolutely nothing wrong with leeching web traffic off illegally obtained nudes of Jennifer Lawrence? I prefer to attack the problem where the problem actually exists. If I'm overwhelmingly the vocal minority, that's a clear indication I'm speaking in the right place.
ooohkay
https://cdn1.lockerdome.com/uploads/4ae467c43916d2068610aa5932907e7e683a7f75269f1bcf54 03e9383bb8fd19_large

I disagree, but I can see where this becomes an issue and, believe it or not, I can see why people like Kagatob can't stand Anita Sarkeesian. I don't follow that train of thought - Anita Sarkeesian has the most accurate viewpoint on this issue, even if she occasionally errs on the side of pedantry. Anita Sarkeesian calling a spade a spade, or even being nauseatingly pedantic - which I don't think she is - does not and absolutely should not rationalize ending her speech on video games in a bloodbath.

So you are going to back her claim that "Video games cause misogyny and violence". Did you back Jack Thompson too?

[iruinedyourday]

if you are kaga and inevitably are about to post something like BUZZFEED ISNT CREDIBLE!

here is a fucking forbes article. http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/09/04/gamergate-a-closer-look-at-the-controversy-sweeping-video-games/

Jilted ex-boyfriend Eron Gjoni wrote a long treatise on the alleged infidelity of his ex-girlfriend, video game developer Zoe Quinn. Members of the video game industry and press were implicated.

This led to an initial outcry over corruption in the video game press. Sex for positive coverage was the spark that fueled what has now become a huge gamer backlash against the video game press under the hashtag #GamerGate. While the initial concerns were quickly proven to be all smoke and no fire, the revelations led to further questions by many gamers, and so the #GamerGate movement was born.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/the-man-who-sparked-gamergate-regrets-the-harassment-but-say

Someone that isn't relevant says some things about something that isn't relevant (also omitting that he only says such things because of a court order put in place by a trust-fund baby's lawyer friends).

So much substance from iruinedyourday as per usual.

[iruinedyourday]

lol you did exactly what I said you were going to do.

[paulgiamatti]

So you are going to back her claim that "Video games cause misogyny and violence".

That's not her claim.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

if you are kaga and inevitably are about to post something like BUZZFEED ISNT CREDIBLE!

here is a fucking forbes article. http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/09/04/gamergate-a-closer-look-at-the-controversy-sweeping-video-games/

Jilted ex-boyfriend Eron Gjoni wrote a long treatise on the alleged infidelity of his ex-girlfriend, video game developer Zoe Quinn. Members of the video game industry and press were implicated.

This led to an initial outcry over corruption in the video game press. Sex for positive coverage was the spark that fueled what has now become a huge gamer backlash against the video game press under the hashtag #GamerGate. While the initial concerns were quickly proven to be all smoke and no fire, the revelations led to further questions by many gamers, and so the #GamerGate movement was born.

Wrong. That was #Quinnspiracy. #Gamergate was created over a week later in response to "gamers are dead". Keep re-hashing the same copy-paste bullshit though.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

That's not her claim.

Prove it. Evidence.

[paulgiamatti]

There's plenty of it out there. I'll let her speak for herself.

[iruinedyourday]

Ok dear readers,

If you choose to listen to gamergate or kagafool, that is your own prerogative.

But please realize, kaga, that in the real world Forbes is right & idiot nerds that post from their basements on forums about this shit, are 100% wrong.

Kaga, you are the idiot nerd. Please continue your fake gamergate crap imagining a world where it matters.

Gamergate does not matter. It is irrelevant. It is wrong on every level and has zero credibility behind it.

[Sidelle]

http://laslow.net/reactiongifs/Batch03/Didn%27t%20read.gif

[iruinedyourday]

you should its got some great Kaga paranoid delusions in here, like the one he is formulating RIGHT NOW and coming in 3 2 1 ...

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

There's plenty of it out there. I'll let her speak for herself.

She already has made her stance very clear. (http://youtu.be/gRTlwDFhUXo?t=7m40s)

[iruinedyourday]

We have lift off.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

At least iruinedyoruday stopped PMing me about her, considering he claims they are personal friends and all.

http://i.imgur.com/u8iQcth.png
He can keep going on and pretending he's being objective though.
http://i.imgur.com/p353WIs.jpg

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I have errands to run though so I'll be back in a few hours to laugh at the echo-chamber that this thread will inevitably become in that time. This San-Francisco bay cultural Marxist disease that started with HBB types has proliferated over the past year. I hope you kids are proud.
http://i.imgur.com/grgLbKE.jpg

[iruinedyourday]

hey man i was just trying to talk to you like a human being.

[loramin]

hey man i was just trying to talk to you like a human being.

And that was your first mistake.

[radditsu]

I've been reading different articles about GamerGate, and I am starting to think it isn't a real problem.

Just a bunch of women complaining that they are being portrayed as weak and helpless in video games.

But there are plenty of games which don't portray women that way.

So I am led to believe that this isn't a problem and just a form of extreme attention whoring for ugly women who can't be cam-girls.

3rd generation feminists think that their feelings matter more than others because they are women and always right. They are ushing an agenda because one bitch with bad titties fucked a game critic for a good game review and want to obfuscate that fact. The internet found out, and decided that Games journalism is a hive of scum and villiany ( it is) and that should be rooted out. But feminists thing that gamers are sperglords, and that should be the issue.

Basically two groups arguing about competing, but wholly different issues.

Stolen from the rerolled boards: (
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1Hi6yKIcAAGbIx.jpg:large


Really interesting. Someone remapped the data from the original 350k tweets, and used the better extrapolations presented after the Newsweek article to make this. The Top right is pro-GG, bottom left is Anti-gg. The colors represent how much accounts have "changed" over the past 2 months, Blue accounts show no change, yellow and green have added many friends. The size of the circles are followers, I believe.

The interesting things are the lines. The lines represent discussion, the color of the lines represent re-tweets. It seems due to bannings and blocks, the Anti-GG people have literally isolated themselves from conversations with the Pro and Neutral people. That big blue blob in the lower left? That is Anita Sarkesian...From the analysis, it seems the Anti-GG is driven by very few individuals, and a bunch of followers who only communicate with those individuals. Meanwhile, GG is driven or discussed, by many smaller actors, and discussed with nearly everyone who will discuss it.

Pretty interesting to see an echo chamber literally in graphical form. )



Also in order to protect its revenue stream, Gawker Media (bastion of shit journalism) produced a ton of hit pieces against "gamers" portraying them as misogynistic shut ins, despite the majority of gamers belong to a generation that is the most liberal of all time in regards to social issues. So much that the entire label "gamer" is more synonymous with "television enthusiast" or "Guy who likes movies" nowdays.

Don't go to gawker sites...dont go to clickbait sites period.


Also the feminists at the forefront of this are trust fund babies ivory tower "liberals" ( as a liberal it disgusts me to say that) who don't understand how real relationships with human beings work.

[radditsu]

Love you guys.

[Glenzig]

3rd generation feminists think that their feelings matter more than others because they are women and always right. They are ushing an agenda because one bitch with bad titties fucked a game critic for a good game review and want to obfuscate that fact. The internet found out, and decided that Games journalism is a hive of scum and villiany ( it is) and that should be rooted out. But feminists thing that gamers are sperglords, and that should be the issue.

Basically two groups arguing about competing, but wholly different issues.

Stolen from the rerolled boards: (
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1Hi6yKIcAAGbIx.jpg:large


Really interesting. Someone remapped the data from the original 350k tweets, and used the better extrapolations presented after the Newsweek article to make this. The Top right is pro-GG, bottom left is Anti-gg. The colors represent how much accounts have "changed" over the past 2 months, Blue accounts show no change, yellow and green have added many friends. The size of the circles are followers, I believe.

The interesting things are the lines. The lines represent discussion, the color of the lines represent re-tweets. It seems due to bannings and blocks, the Anti-GG people have literally isolated themselves from conversations with the Pro and Neutral people. That big blue blob in the lower left? That is Anita Sarkesian...From the analysis, it seems the Anti-GG is driven by very few individuals, and a bunch of followers who only communicate with those individuals. Meanwhile, GG is driven or discussed, by many smaller actors, and discussed with nearly everyone who will discuss it.

Pretty interesting to see an echo chamber literally in graphical form. )



Also in order to protect its revenue stream, Gawker Media (bastion of shit journalism) produced a ton of hit pieces against "gamers" portraying them as misogynistic shut ins, despite the majority of gamers belong to a generation that is the most liberal of all time in regards to social issues. So much that the entire label "gamer" is more synonymous with "television enthusiast" or "Guy who likes movies" nowdays.

Don't go to gawker sites...dont go to clickbait sites period.


Also the feminists at the forefront of this are trust fund babies ivory tower "liberals" ( as a liberal it disgusts me to say that) who don't understand how real relationships with human beings work.

Post is disqualified for being more than one sentence long.

[iruinedyourday]

They are ushing an agenda because one bitch with bad titties fucked a game critic for a good game review and want to obfuscate that fact.

not true, and why gamergate is totally bogus. Because anyone who believes in it just makes up their own reason why it exists.

And see Kaga? thats why your stupid cause exists, becuse stupid nerds think someone traded sex for game reviews.

so dumb.

[loramin]

Also the feminists at the forefront of this are trust fund babies ivory tower "liberals" ( as a liberal it disgusts me to say that) who don't understand how real relationships with human beings work.

I love how you had a a whole post full of reasonably objective information, then a you throw in that completely baseless "fact" in at the end. What exactly was the sample size of your study on all feminists being trust fund babies?

[paulgiamatti]

All the extrapolated data revolving around Twitter discourse in the world doesn't change the fact that misogyny and the exclusion of women is a problem in video games and the video game industry.

The way in which people tweet at each other has absolutely nothing to say about the objectivity of the situation we're in. All that image demonstrates is that there are far more people discussing GamerGate, which I'm sure you can very easily prove a ton of which are not "pro"-GamerGaters, than there are speaking out against it.

[paulgiamatti]

a ton of which I'm sure you can very easily prove are not "pro"-GamerGaters

Fixed for comprehensibility.

[Glenzig]

All the extrapolated data revolving around Twitter discourse in the world doesn't change the fact that misogyny and the exclusion of women is a problem in video games and the video game industry.

What percentage of video games includes this overt misogyny?

[paulgiamatti]

What percentage of video games includes this overt misogyny?

A better question would be, what is the male-to-female ratio of people employed in the video game industry?

[Glenzig]

A better question would be, what is the male-to-female ratio of people employed in the video game industry?

Ok. What is it?

[iruinedyourday]

What percentage of video games includes this overt misogyny?

its not so much wiether they are portrated poorly in 1 game vs 10 games.. its that in the vast majority of story driven games, they are portrayed poorly.

If you dont agree, you simply dont play video games... or just dont understand the issue at all.

I think this video is worth watching from start to finish, there is no reason to disagree with it becuse if you disagree with it you just simply do not understand the issue, once again.

The questions Anita Sarkeesian raises about games and the stories behind them are valid and challange game developers to make games better.

Im a man and I dont like the bullshit way women are portrate din games, becuse its just totally unbelievable (as in its not even close to reality) and it makes me look at a game as a play toy for a stupid kid or retard.. I want to play games that take shit seroiusly, putting a 36DD chick in a g string and ploppin gher down in the front of a midevil army is just stupid. If you disagree, you're stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i_RPr9DwMA

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25736152/EQ/girl.JPG

Games should be better than this for fucks sake, its been like 30 years..

[Glenzig]

its not so much wiether they are portrated poorly in 1 game vs 10 games.. its that in the vast majority of story driven games, they are portrayed poorly.

If you dont agree, you simply dont play video games... or just dont understand the issue at all.

I think this video is worth watching from start to finish, there is no reason to disagree with it becuse if you disagree with it you just simply do not understand the issue, once again.

The questions Anita Sarkeesian raises about games and the stories behind them are valid and challange game developers to make games better.

Im a man and I dont like the bullshit way women are portrate din games, becuse its just totally unbelievable (as in its not even close to reality) and it makes me look at a game as a play toy for a stupid kid or retard.. I want to play games that take shit seroiusly, putting a 36DD chick in a g string and ploppin gher down in the front of a midevil army is just stupid. If you disagree, you're stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i_RPr9DwMA

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25736152/EQ/girl.JPG

Games should be better than this for fucks sake, its been like 30 years..

You're right, I don't play video games very much. I'm a grown up. And as such I realize that the portrayal of anything in video games is unrealistic. That's kind of the point of video games. Am I to assume that all the musclebound butt kicking male protagonists are a reflection of the current male culture?

[loramin]

What percentage of video games includes this overt misogyny?

While I won't touch that, I do think it's fair to admit that the video game world isn't for women. How many games have female lead characters that aren't just Laura Croft-esque sex symbols? Or heck, even if you include the pure sex symbols, how many games have lead female characters? Only a small percentage right?

I'm not saying every video game hates women, but it's hard to deny that girls learn at an early age that the video game world isn't for for them. Personally I think that's kind of sad, and at least some of the feminist critics of the video game industry are just making that point.

Of course there are the crazies that argue video games = hatred of women, but then there are crazies everywhere (just look at these forums).

[Raev]

being forced to flee their homes because of the constant death threats and threats of violence and rape, and can't even go about holding a seminar without someone threatening to go on a fucking shooting spree.

If it is against the law, the police will handle it. If it's a bunch of internet tough guys, who cares?

[iruinedyourday]

You're right, I don't play video games very much. I'm a grown up. And as such I realize that the portrayal of anything in video games is unrealistic. That's kind of the point of video games. Am I to assume that all the musclebound butt kicking male protagonists are a reflection of the current male culture?

thats like saying the point of movies is to be unrealistic.

The point of video games are to be video games.. if you arnt bothered by naked chicks fighting dragons, then you arnt going to be bothered by normal chicks fighting dragons..

hell as an adult, you may even play more games in that case.

Anita challenges game devs, that doesn't mean she is god and creating rules that say games have to be one way.. she calls people out for being dipshits.

and there are a lot of dipshits in the video game industry... especially big budget AAA games, which are her primary targets...

Arguing that games that take women seriously because they are trying to tell a real interactive story, are not better than a game that is trying to tell an interactive story about men saving chicks in bikini's is like saying that 2001 isnt a better film than You've got Mail...

And if the film industry agree's that 2001 is a better flim than Grownups 2, doesn't mean that people arnt going to make Grownups 2.. if you like that shit, someones going to make it.

Anita just wants the AAA games to be looked at more critically. Because she, like many other gamers, wants better games.

As far as gamergate goes, by simply reading the posts of the people here who support it, you can see that they make up their entire argument form start to finish, with accusations about what gamergate is, by just making up their own news stories - like X spelt with Y for good reviews, even when it never happened.

the gamergate movment is 100% delusional children.

[Glenzig]

thats like saying the point of movies is to be unrealistic.

The point of video games are to be video games.. if you arnt bothered by naked chicks fighting dragons, then you arnt going to be bothered by normal chicks fighting dragons..

hell as an adult, you may even play more games in that case.

Anita challenges game devs, that doesn't mean she is god and creating rules that say games have to be one way.. she calls people out for being dipshits.

and there are a lot of dipshits in the video game industry... especially big budget AAA games, which are her primary targets...

Arguing that games that take women seriously because they are trying to tell a real interactive story, are not better than a game that is trying to tell an interactive story about men saving chicks in bikini's is like saying that 2001 isnt a better film than You've got Mail...

And if the film industry agree's that 2001 is a better flim than Grownups 2, doesn't mean that people arnt going to make Grownups 2.. if you like that shit, someones going to make it.

Anita just wants the AAA games to be looked at more critically. Because she, like many other gamers, wants better games.

As far as gamergate goes, by simply reading the posts of the people here who support it, you can see that they make up their entire argument form start to finish, with accusations about what gamergate is, by just making up their own news stories - like X spelt with Y for good reviews, even when it never happened.

the gamergate movment is 100% delusional children.

So what you're saying is what I already assumed. There is zero point for either side expending this much energy on this crap. Because it isn't actually going to change anything in a substantive way.

[iruinedyourday]

So what you're saying is what I already assumed. There is zero point for either side expending this much energy on this crap. Because it isn't actually going to change anything in a substantive way.

well, to be fair, Anita is a prominent member and consultant in the indi game community. She performs talks at GDC and during other trade shows that game developers go to, she was given an achievement award at the last GDC awards, that she helps to organize.

She is definitely not wasting her time and the powers that be, the directors and writers and other developers hold her in high regard. They listen to her.

But gamergate is absolutely wasting there time, yes. Heh, however they have ample time to spare so... no real loss for them.

[paulgiamatti]

If it is against the law, the police will handle it. If it's a bunch of internet tough guys, who cares?

I just don't buy the "internet tough guy" argument. I mean, look at Adam Lanza. Look at Elliot Rodger. Guns are available and psychopathy is a very real thing. The way in which the Utah State threats were handled was absolutely irresponsible, and the police hardly "handled" it at all, which is why she had to cancel the lecture.

This is something that needs to change unless we want to see more innocent people killed for absolutely no sensible reason whatsoever.

[radditsu]

A better question would be, what is the male-to-female ratio of people employed in the video game industry?

Whats the ratio of male to female nurses? Its a societal bias not a gamer/ industrial one. Teehee male nurse. Teehee science girl geek. Watch any Disney sitcom for that reductive shit.

Women need to be pushed into harder sciences and developed and nurtured. Lord knows i push my daughter that way.

Also the ivory tower liberal was a shot at WU. Obviously not all 3rd edition feminists are rich. Although it is a bit more palatable for some dad to pay for a social science degree at a lib art school if hes loaded

[Barkingturtle]

Did not read thread, will still offer my insight:

I don't know what gamergate is. I've only seen it mentioned here on Project99, and it seemed like something Kagatob was passionate about. A simple rule to live by is this: if a subject is important to Kagatob, it's irrelevant and I can safely ignore it.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I just don't buy the "internet tough guy" argument. I mean, look at Adam Lanza. Look at Elliot Rodger.
Two bad apples ruin the bunch huh? Your statism is showing.
Guns are available and psychopathy is a very real thing.
So are cars. Should we ban those too?
The way in which the Utah State threats were handled was absolutely irresponsible, and the police hardly "handled" it at all, which is why she had to cancel the lecture.
Actually the FBI themselves determined the threat to be no danger. (http://www.usu.edu/ust/index.cfm?article=54178)
Utah State University police is coordinating the threat information with other local, state and federal agencies, including the Utah Statewide Information and Analysis Center, the FBI Cyber Terrorism Task Force, and the FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit. After a careful assessment of the threat it has been determined it is similar to other threats that Sarkeesian has received in the past, and all university business will be conducted as scheduled tomorrow.
This is something that needs to change unless we want to see more innocent people killed for absolutely no sensible reason whatsoever.

What exactly is "this" that needs to change? That we should give up all civil liberties and live under martial law 24/7/365?

You need to stop towing the party line so hard and learn to think critically. Trust but verify. Stop appealing to emotion. This isn't a partisan issue.

[Bazia]

my everquest elf has an axe

[Glenzig]

my everquest elf has an axe

If it's not a female elf then you're just a misogynist!!!

[Misto]

You've misunderstood. Gamergate began with a few women criticizing the game industry, but that's not what it's about now. What it's about now is the angry nerd reaction to to that criticism, where they think it's ok to make death and rape threats to anyone whose opinion they disagree with. That is what has gotten all the media attention, not some academic criticism of female representation in games.

Wishing death on people you consider retarded and stupid has always been commonplace on the internet.

Feminists got trolled.

[Misto]

GamerGate is a perfect repository for the kind of misogyny demonstrated by the OP. That's all it is, really.

I say if it separates and provides an isolation chamber for misogynists that don't realize the objectification of women in video games is a real issue, then more power to it. I'd rather they be caught in their own idiotic feedback loop than attempt to spew their shit all over the rest of us.

The fact that you think I am misogynist is hilarious.

And I'll leave it at that.

[Lune]

the objectification of women in video games is a real issue

Why is it an issue?

Objectification of women in real life is an issue, but why is it an issue in video games? Video games are somebody's artistic expression.

Is the glorification of Satan, murder, and blood/cum orgies in death metal songs an issue?

What about the extreme objectification of women in women's magazines, is that an issue? Should we force Cosmo and Vogue to stop airbrushing their anorexic models and focusing on "how to look sexy"?

These are all symptoms of widely accepted cultural values. It's okay to try and change those values as a broader social effort. It's not okay to go around whimsically policing and censoring whichever medium you feel deserves it. Women-centric media (certain magazines, reality TV, Dr. Oz, romantic comedies, The Bachelorette, Dance Moms, Kardashians, etc) handle women as bad or worse than masculine video games do, from image, values, and character-strength standpoints.

Anita is an opportunist, not a scholar. She's found something that is making her a lot of money and attention, and she has latched onto it like a leech.

[Tasslehofp99]

Why is it an issue?

Objectification of women in real life is an issue, but why is it an issue in video games? Video games are somebody's artistic expression.

Is the glorification of Satan, murder, and blood/cum orgies in death metal songs an issue?

What about the extreme objectification of women in women's magazines, is that an issue? Should we force Cosmo and Vogue to stop airbrushing their anorexic models and focusing on "how to look sexy"?

These are all symptoms of widely accepted cultural values. It's okay to try and change those values as a broader social effort. It's not okay to go around whimsically policing and censoring whichever medium you feel deserves it. Women-centric media (certain magazines, reality TV, Dr. Oz, romantic comedies, The Bachelorette, Dance Moms, Kardashians, etc) handle women as bad or worse than masculine video games do, from image, values, and character-strength standpoints.

Anita is an opportunist, not a scholar. She's found something that is making her a lot of money and attention, and she has latched onto it like a leech.

/thread

[iruinedyourday]

Why is it an issue?

Objectification of women in real life is an issue, but why is it an issue in video games? Video games are somebody's artistic expression.

Is the glorification of Satan, murder, and blood/cum orgies in death metal songs an issue?

What about the extreme objectification of women in women's magazines, is that an issue? Should we force Cosmo and Vogue to stop airbrushing their anorexic models and focusing on "how to look sexy"?

These are all symptoms of widely accepted cultural values. It's okay to try and change those values as a broader social effort. It's not okay to go around whimsically policing and censoring whichever medium you feel deserves it. Women-centric media (certain magazines, reality TV, Dr. Oz, romantic comedies, The Bachelorette, Dance Moms, Kardashians, etc) handle women as bad or worse than masculine video games do, from image, values, and character-strength standpoints.

Anita is an opportunist, not a scholar. She's found something that is making her a lot of money and attention, and she has latched onto it like a leech.

that is fucking bullshit im sorry, let me answer your question... why is it an issue in video games?

Because it is an issue FOR HER so she talks about it.

you are not the sun and the stars, how you feel isnt how the world feels.

there are PLENTY of OTHER PEOPLE that take issue with the objectification of women in fashion magazines.

All women arnt the same, they can have interests in separate things.

[radditsu]

Why is it an issue?

Objectification of women in real life is an issue, but why is it an issue in video games? Video games are somebody's artistic expression.

Is the glorification of Satan, murder, and blood/cum orgies in death metal songs an issue?

What about the extreme objectification of women in women's magazines, is that an issue? Should we force Cosmo and Vogue to stop airbrushing their anorexic models and focusing on "how to look sexy"?

These are all symptoms of widely accepted cultural values. It's okay to try and change those values as a broader social effort. It's not okay to go around whimsically policing and censoring whichever medium you feel deserves it. Women-centric media (certain magazines, reality TV, Dr. Oz, romantic comedies, The Bachelorette, Dance Moms, Kardashians, etc) handle women as bad or worse than masculine video games do, from image, values, and character-strength standpoints.

Anita is an opportunist, not a scholar. She's found something that is making her a lot of money and attention, and she has latched onto it like a leech.



Fucked up thing is that in a year, 5 years, 10 years there is still going to be male dominated market with those AAA shooty murder simulators going strong. That is...if the market isnt crashed completely

[loramin]

Why is it an issue?

Objectification of women in real life is an issue, but why is it an issue in video games? Video games are somebody's artistic expression.


Right, but if you saw a video game where you lynch black people, or beat up faggots, would you really argue "it's just their artistic expression?"

Now don't get me wrong: historically video games have been singled out, beyond any other artistic medium, by the "won't someone please think of the children" crowd. Because they're a very new medium, and because they are consumed largely by "the younger generation", they've had to put up with a lot more scrutiny from "the older generation" than other art forms, and that's bullshit.

But that doesn't give the entire medium a free pass either.

[iruinedyourday]

Fucked up thing is that in a year, 5 years, 10 years there is still going to be male dominated market with those AAA shooty murder simulators going strong. That is...if the market isnt crashed completely

she doesnt have a problem with AAA shooty murder simulators... she has aproblem with them being stupid as fuck with shitty characters and writers that think gritty is a brothel with naked dead hookers everywhere.

I too have a problem with them being stupid as fuck and want them to be better.

[loramin]

Fucked up thing is that in a year, 5 years, 10 years there is still going to be male dominated market with those AAA shooty murder simulators going strong. That is...if the market isnt crashed completely

Well, at some point we're going to get equality in video games right? Books used to be exclusively for men (hell, anything important in society used to be exclusively for men), but that changed over time right?

The question is just, will it be 5 years, 10 years, 20 years? In a sense that's what this entire battle is about: one side is trying to make it happen faster and the other side is trying to put off the inevitable as long as possible.

[paulgiamatti]

Serious question Paul: while you may disagree with the video game industry, why do you not consider this kind of thing free speech?

It is by all means free speech, and should remain perfectly legal in every regard. I'm simply arguing, along with people like Anita Sarkeesian, that it should be beneath our contempt and understood as detrimental to a world in which we treat women as human beings - human beings who are every bit as human as men.

It should be unappealing to everyone. The people championing GamerGate have this perception that a less patriarchal video game industry - a less patriarchal world - would somehow be lacking or less pleasing to them. I don't understand this in any way whatsoever. Awareness about issues, whether those issues are tropes or the blatant objectification of women, has never made me enjoy something less.

I'm done dancing around the issue about GamerGate, and I'm calling a spade a spade. GamerGate was founded on misogyny, it promulgates misogyny, it reinforces misogyny, and it is synonymous with misogyny.

[iruinedyourday]

one side is trying to make it happen faster and the other side is trying to put off the inevitable as long as possible.

what is insane to me is she is complaning about games.. the gamergate complane about HER... like

whats it to you if she complanes about toys, YOU didnt make them... ironcially the people that made them agree with her...

but like, why do so many nerds take it so personaly when they find out that the naked chick in a bikini is sexist? like just go, "hmm thats interesting, I hadnt noticed"... and fuckn move on with your life!

like to argue NO ITS NOT NO ITS NOT is so fucking silly

[loramin]

Well, clearly the community feels attacked. Like I said, there's a lot of history of the industry as a whole being attacked for bullshit reasons by the Christian crusade and such, so you do have to consider the context: when people start criticizing the industry, the proponents of that industry are used to reacting defensively and attacking back.

Not saying that it's justified, but if you want to understand it then that history is crucial to remember.

[iruinedyourday]

it definitily isnt justified... but yea I can see your point.

Also these are all people that have been getting kicked around since they were like 7 years old cus they are complete social retards.

[Glenzig]

that is fucking bullshit im sorry, let me answer your question... why is it an issue in video games?

Because it is an issue FOR HER so she talks about it.

you are not the sun and the stars, how you feel isnt how the world feels.

there are PLENTY of OTHER PEOPLE that take issue with the objectification of women in fashion magazines.

All women arnt the same, they can have interests in separate things.

But couldn't you just flip that around and apply it to hers and your point of view too? Doesn't this type of.logic basically make all points of view moot?

[iruinedyourday]

But couldn't you just flip that around and apply it to hers and your point of view too? Doesn't this type of.logic basically make all points of view moot?

no no she is being critical of an atform.

gamergate is like SHUTUP SHUTUP SHUTUP NO NO NO

[Glenzig]

no no she is being critical of an atform.

gamergate is like SHUTUP SHUTUP SHUTUP NO NO NO

So she's giving an opinion and some of the people she's criticizing don't like it. I fail to see a scandal here.

[paulgiamatti]

Then why are you so upset? They have the right to create the kind of games they wish, you have the right to criticize them, and women have the right to play or not play those video games as they choose. Why the need for the strong language?

Because - in case you've so easily forgotten - women who even dare to utter a word about these issues are having their personal information published, being forced to flee their homes because of the constant death threats and threats of violence and rape, and can't even go about holding a seminar without someone threatening to go on a fucking shooting spree.

That is the death of free speech. A better question is, why aren't more people upset about this?

[iruinedyourday]

So she's giving an opinion and some of the people she's criticizing don't like it. I fail to see a scandal here.

she isnt critisizing people, she's constructively criticizing something.

they should look at that thing objectively and either say, I dont agree with that and... MOVE THE FUCK ON!...

or they should think critically about what her criticisms are and think how they may affect the medium and offer other varied constructive criticisms of the art form.
but just saying she is WRONG and STUPID... is a pathetic response.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

what is insane to me is she is complaning about games.. the gamergate complane about HER... like
Evidence please.
whats it to you if she complanes about toys, YOU didnt make them... ironcially the people that made them agree with her...
Evidence please.

[loramin]

So she's giving an opinion and some of the people she's criticizing don't like it. I fail to see a scandal here.

If they just "didn't like it" there would be no scandal. The reason this has gotten so much press is that, rather than making rational arguments against a point of view they don't like, the GamerGate crowd (or rather a more radical subset of them) decided to make very scary rape and death threats against people who didn't share their point of view. One of them actually threatened to shoot up a school because someone they didn't like was going to speak there; I consider that fairly "scandalous".

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

We are talking about literal professional victims (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIpw3wHn9Sk) here.

They are even fighting over who is the most oppressed as we speak.
http://i.imgur.com/b3LEFB6.png

There is a reason they are called "literally who" they don't matter. The ones who matter are the ones who are in power actually going along with the narratives set by the pro victims.
These are the people who matter. These are the ones who GG is actively against.
http://i.imgur.com/jt14fwv.jpg
http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Beyond+full+mcintosh+god+forbid+a+game+from+ever+b eing_3fe1c0_5335433.jpg
(We have banned you from /r/gamergate and /r/antigamergate. We did not do this because you are pro-#GamerGate, we did this because you, like most white transwomen, show a fundamental lack of gratitude for your allies on the left who have campaigned for social justice for decades.

We are the only reason you have any civil rights, we are the reason you have never been thrown into an asylum for your gender identity, and we are the reason you have not been subjected to the pseudo-scientific reparative therapies of the 20th century. We did all this for you, and yet you support the reactionaries who would love to swing you from a lamp post on their fabled "day of the rope."

You, as a transwoman, are indebted to us, and the very least you could have done would have been to abstain from this ugly flame war until it passed. Instead, you have decided to reinforce the tokenism of the reactionaries by endorsing them and by participating in their forums.

You may not be our shield, but you are our property. We own you. Your very existence is protected by the institutions and laws we have made for you. Never forget this, and in the future, show some fucking gratitude.)[http://www.reddit.com/message/messages/2hzmeg]
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxK5GOvCQAAD8Xo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MFXmmWp.jpg

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

If they just "didn't like it" there would be no scandal. The reason this has gotten so much press is that, rather than making rational arguments against a point of view they don't like, the GamerGate crowd (or rather a more radical subset of them) decided to make very scary rape and death threats against people who didn't share their point of view. One of them actually threatened to shoot up a school because someone they didn't like was going to speak there; I consider that fairly "scandalous".

Prove that any of them are linked to GamerGate. I dare you. You guarantee yourself a spot on MSNBC/CNN if you can put together actual evidence.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

http://i.imgur.com/3FmuCWX.jpg
This was supposed to be included 2 posts up. :o

[Aviann]

Somebody needs to get laid... Specifically these women. Send them all my way, Kagatob. Justice will prevail.

I'll also offer them cooking lessons as a side project, but they will have to pay money for my time.

[loramin]

Right, so in what you just posted, where's the part that makes it ok to threaten people with rape and death?

I think there are a lot of terrible people in this world, and I'd love to see terrible things happen to them. A significant percentage of the Israeli government, for instance. Or the Egyptian government. Actually most governments.

But you won't see me wasting money on postage to Netanyahu, because you can't have a society where everyone who feels wronged goes around threatening other people with rape or death. Even the really shitty people who may deserve it.

Or maybe you can, but I certainly don't want to live in that society.

[loramin]

Prove that any of them are linked to GamerGate. I dare you. You guarantee yourself a spot on MSNBC/CNN if you can put together actual evidence.

That's not the issue: the issue is that the GamerGate community hasn't disavowed them. To the contrary, many members of the community have defended them. I won't blame an entire group for the actions of a few members, but I will blame that group when they support their problematic members.

[radditsu]

Well, at some point we're going to get equality in video games right? Books used to be exclusively for men (hell, anything important in society used to be exclusively for men), but that changed over time right?

The question is just, will it be 5 years, 10 years, 20 years? In a sense that's what this entire battle is about: one side is trying to make it happen faster and the other side is trying to put off the inevitable as long as possible.

This is patently false. NOBODY is trying to put off equality in video games. That's a dumb fucking statement. I am all for someone producing something women like and will buy in the millions and play and be happy and develop a real market for. Female equality in video games can already be obtained, if enough females were interested in doing so. (Societal problem not a "gamer" problem). It is easier its ever been to produce a game. Hell I see RPG maker type games being sold in the 10-15 dollar range every day, and you barely have to script those motherfuckers. (Last Dream is great ya'll). The market for women seems to fall squarely into the "phone games" square right now. Basically things that had mechanics like NES/Puzzle games. That's not to say that ALL women are like this, cause that's a dumb fucking generalization. The games are where the market takes them. By all means women, buy more games that you like. Don't blame men for playing a game as a stripper witch who's hair is a costume and fights people with a stripper pole, or a bitch who cuts zombies with a chainsaw.


Build something, build a following by producing quality. Invest in yourself, and produce something new and worthwhile that speaks to people. Stop fucking complaining that its unfair and people are trying to hold you down. Invest in a MBA, C# or hell even some python. Examine what works in soundtrack composition. Learn about 3 act structures and invest in your writing. Do something that SPEAKS to others for fucks sake. Bitching about in equality and unequal representation is fine when there aren't avenues for you to "Git Gud". I doubt there is one mid range development firm that would patently dismiss any female with qualifications and a passion for a genre. The old hand (Japanese) firms....maybe. Bioware, Blizzard, *ugh* Ubisoft, started from nothing, didn't get handed shit, and eventually cashed out and got ruined by publishers...the American dream

It's motherfucking sad that HIDEO KOJIMA and his INFINITE problems with women can build better, more fully realized female characters than anyone I have seen. (EVA and The Boss, MGS3) And that motherfucker put a bomb in a bitches vagina.

Have you played the new Tomb Raider? That bitch was a plant except when she climbed that tower, and when she got that fucking grenade launcher.

[radditsu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU


Also, for the record, Anita Sarkeziwhathefuckever, can say what ever she wants about the industry and the genre. It's just like...her opinion..man. But isn't she the woman who raised 150k in kickstarter and produced like 3 videos with tenuous research on the subject? Or is that another idiot?

150k should get you at least a start in regards to a vetted, fact filled, study on the issues with the industry. Not calling games out because strippers exist and can be shot. Strippers can be shot like half a mile away from my house too. I don't see guns akimbo at the Diamond's Club everynight.

[loramin]

This is patently false. NOBODY is trying to put off equality in video games.

Do I really think there's a bunch of evil men (ie. "the man") working at places like EA trying to keep women out of video games? Of course not. Hell, I know some of the people who work at those companies, and I can guarantee they're not all male chauvinists.

But at the same time, we don't just live in this instant, we live in the context of everything that came before us. It's pretty hard to deny that our entire society was stacked against women for the longest time, and you can't just pretend that something that systemic goes away over night when it doesn't. Video games were and still are filled with male protagonists. They're filled with "women as objects", in the sense that the women depicted in them exist to be sexual, not to have individual personalities. And they're filled with lots of other signals that women aren't welcome.

Is that a generalization? Totally. Are there games and game companies doing a much better job? Sure. But if you really think we've reached a point of equality I'd suggest you read some of the writings of the women who started this whole thing, as they can explain the topic so much better than I could.

[Servellious]

What tanrin said

[radditsu]

You know whats a real issue with society?

I had 3 bigots who work in the office next to me call Tim Cook ( the most successful person to come out of my hometown) a "domestic terrorist" (an honest to god quote) because he entreats upon the idea of a traditional family and he steps on "moral" values due to the fact that he is gay. These three assholes use the code "Democrats" to refer to black people ( when they aren't calling them outright ******s).


THIS is a real problem you Human Paraquat's.


Fuck you all... Sidelle call me bitch.

[loramin]

I don't disagree with anything you just wrote. Quite the contrary, I think we're on the same page :)

Look, the loudest voices on both sides of these debates are always the ones that get the most attention. But I really don't think anyone in this thread hates women, wants to see women get threatened with rape or death, or otherwise wishes to see the female gender kept out of the industry.

I just think that when people get too caught up in stuff that matters to them they can lose their empathy for others in the process. And I think a lot of that has happened with GamerGate.

[radditsu]

Do I really think there's a bunch of evil men (ie. "the man") working at places like EA trying to keep women out of video games? Of course not. Hell, I know some of the people who work at those companies, and I can guarantee they're not all male chauvinists.

But at the same time, we don't just live in this instant, we live in the context of everything that came before us. It's pretty hard to deny that our entire society was stacked against women for the longest time, and you can't just pretend that something that systemic goes away over night when it doesn't. Video games were and still are filled with male protagonists. They're filled with "women as objects", in the sense that the women depicted in them exist to be sexual, not to have individual personalities. And they're filled with lots of other signals that women aren't welcome.

Is that a generalization? Totally. Are there games and game companies doing a much better job? Sure. But if you really think we've reached a point of equality I'd suggest you read some of the writings of the women who started this whole thing, as they can explain the topic so much better than I could.

Litterally every medium has overt and not so overt "Women as objects" in their respective medium. Middle Ages nudes...things we call the finest of art now... were painted so dudes can look at boobs in church. Comic books have done it for years. Movies have PORN. You can go to a strip club and have some skanky bitch put their vagina in your mouth if you pay enough....and some women call that FEMINISM and FEMALE EMPOWERMENT.

It is infinitely harder to break into a major comic book publisher, or Porn, or a Strip Club, than building a video game with your own voice and experience built into the narrative. They teach rudimentary app building in elementary school now. The only difference is that being a Stripper or a Porn star requires you to be gifted with titties and the ability to have no shame, and putting together a Comic Book or a Video Game requires mental fortitude and a drive to succeed, which isn't always brought to the forefront in Females in a ton of society. The Computer is a great equalizer. It does not object to anybody's output. Any person can #include<iostream> using namespace std. Any human being can open up a wordpad and write and edit and work. Any human being can compose and build music if that's their passion. Any Human, with the talent and an eye, can build a sprite sheet or 3d model and create a unique and beautiful art style and SPEAKS to people.

But lets blame 18-34 year old straight males for keeping everything oppressed guys. Especially since the current generation are 18-34 year old males aren't making all the rules yet, or even give much of a shit what skin color or gender you are. We still have some Baby Boomer rule to weather guys.

[Aviann]

You know whats a real issue with society?

I had 3 bigots who work in the office next to me call Tim Cook ( the most successful person to come out of my hometown) a "domestic terrorist" (an honest to god quote) because he entreats upon the idea of a traditional family and he steps on "moral" values due to the fact that he is gay. These three assholes use the code "Democrats" to refer to black people ( when they aren't calling them outright ******s).


THIS is a real problem you Human Paraquat's.


Fuck you all... Sidelle call me bitch.

Yes... Yes! YES!!!! CALL HIM !

[Glenzig]

This is patently false. NOBODY is trying to put off equality in video games. That's a dumb fucking statement. I am all for someone producing something women like and will buy in the millions and play and be happy and develop a real market for. Female equality in video games can already be obtained, if enough females were interested in doing so. (Societal problem not a "gamer" problem). It is easier its ever been to produce a game. Hell I see RPG maker type games being sold in the 10-15 dollar range every day, and you barely have to script those motherfuckers. (Last Dream is great ya'll). The market for women seems to fall squarely into the "phone games" square right now. Basically things that had mechanics like NES/Puzzle games. That's not to say that ALL women are like this, cause that's a dumb fucking generalization. The games are where the market takes them. By all means women, buy more games that you like. Don't blame men for playing a game as a stripper witch who's hair is a costume and fights people with a stripper pole, or a bitch who cuts zombies with a chainsaw.


Build something, build a following by producing quality. Invest in yourself, and produce something new and worthwhile that speaks to people. Stop fucking complaining that its unfair and people are trying to hold you down. Invest in a MBA, C# or hell even some python. Examine what works in soundtrack composition. Learn about 3 act structures and invest in your writing. Do something that SPEAKS to others for fucks sake. Bitching about in equality and unequal representation is fine when there aren't avenues for you to "Git Gud". I doubt there is one mid range development firm that would patently dismiss any female with qualifications and a passion for a genre. The old hand (Japanese) firms....maybe. Bioware, Blizzard, *ugh* Ubisoft, started from nothing, didn't get handed shit, and eventually cashed out and got ruined by publishers...the American dream

It's motherfucking sad that HIDEO KOJIMA and his INFINITE problems with women can build better, more fully realized female characters than anyone I have seen. (EVA and The Boss, MGS3) And that motherfucker put a bomb in a bitches vagina.

Have you played the new Tomb Raider? That bitch was a plant except when she climbed that tower, and when she got that fucking grenade launcher.

Yeah but that takes work and stuff. Its much easier to become internet famous.

[Aviann]

Yeah but that takes work and stuff. Its much easier to become internet famous.

And thus we shall make the most ultimate band known to man... and premiere on youtube.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Right, so in what you just posted, where's the part that makes it ok to threaten people with rape and death?
Who said that? Why are you implying that anyone said any of that is ok? Links. Evidence.
Don't you realize that you're just repeating a baseless narrative.
That's not the issue: the issue is that the GamerGate community hasn't disavowed them. To the contrary, many members of the community have defended them. I won't blame an entire group for the actions of a few members, but I will blame that group when they support their problematic members.
*cough*
http://i.imgur.com/aRsBDNi.png
*cough*

[radditsu]

Yeah but that takes work and stuff. Its much easier to become internet famous.

My incredibly intelligent 8 year old daughter says she wants to be a POP star, and a famous dancer. And all I want her to be in her life is a woman who is good at math, science and builds society better than I could ever possibly do. I am real nervous her mother (my first wife) will ruin any drive that she has because she is a triflin hoe who never did anything in her life besides fuck a dude that is as great as I am.

[Glenzig]

And thus we shall make the most ultimate band known to man... and premiere on youtube.

That band already exists my friend. They are Tenacious D!!!!

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Why don't we talk about why nobody in MSM even mentions that pro-GG people are getting threatened all of the time?
http://i.imgur.com/nrcGLP2.png
Based Mom, a second wave feminist academic who just this month lost her husband. Yeah, anti-GG is so clearly the good guys. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Aviann]

My incredibly intelligent 8 year old daughter says she wants to be a POP star, and a famous dancer. And all I want her to be in her life is a woman who is good at math, science and builds society better than I could ever possibly do. I am real nervous her mother (my first wife) will ruin any drive that she has because she is a triflin hoe who never did anything in her life besides fuck a dude that is as great as I am.

My bro, don't see it as a reason to not teach your child how to make the better decisions they can in life, and remember that we all made mistakes to become as great as we did, even Obama.

[radditsu]

Who said that? Why are you implying that anyone said any of that is ok? Links. Evidence.
Don't you realize that you're just repeating a baseless narrative.

*cough*
http://i.imgur.com/aRsBDNi.png
*cough*

There is a leader? Who do I call for invoicing? I need my shekels.

[radditsu]

That band already exists my friend. They are Tenacious D!!!!

Go one step further...Tenacious DD (like the boobie size)

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

There is a leader? Who do I call for invoicing? I need my shekels.

(can't tell if sarcasm)
Everyone is the leader of gamergate. "Leader of Gamergate" is synonymous with "Anonymous"in this instance.

[Aviann]

Go one step further...Tenacious DD (like the boobie size)

This man is onto something..

[Glenzig]

Go one step further...Tenacious DD (like the boobie size)

Did you just threaten to rape a woman? You pig!!!! All you do is objectify and mind hump all these poor powerless women of the world. You disgust me. Go be pro rape somewhere else. :)

[Aviann]

Did you just threaten to rape a woman? You pig!!!! All you do is objectify and mind hump all these poor powerless women of the world. You disgust me. Go be pro rape somewhere else. :)

Nobody is one of us. We are Anonymous.

[Aviann]

Oh wait... lol

[radditsu]

Why don't we talk about why nobody in MSM even mentions that pro-GG people are getting threatened all of the time?
http://i.imgur.com/nrcGLP2.png
Based Mom, a second wave feminist academic who just this month lost her husband. Yeah, anti-GG is so clearly the good guys. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Look dude, they can fight however they want. Their whole cause is a weak pretense. The world simply does not work how these people think it does. You have to be talented and lucky, as in using your opportunities wisely, and increasingly born into wealth, to increase your station in life. College is no longer an elevator it once was.

Holding your breath and attacking people on the internet have won exactly zero battles in this world so far. Has any of those websites hacker cells (not saying anon because pffft) caused any real damage by DDOSing and SQL injecting someones web portal? I don't see much in the way of financial hardship for those companies. I would assume any internal network, where the real business is done, would be heavily fortified by expensive...and fun Adaptive Security Appliances, in obfuscating rings away from those portals...if they are even in the same data center at all.

[radditsu]

(can't tell if sarcasm)
Everyone is the leader of gamergate. "Leader of Gamergate" is synonymous with "Anonymous"in this instance.

It's almost always sarcasm...except when its in paragraph form.

[radditsu]

Did you just threaten to rape a woman? You pig!!!! All you do is objectify and mind hump all these poor powerless women of the world. You disgust me. Go be pro rape somewhere else. :)

All I want is some big tittied hot bitch to dress up as power girl and bang me until my heart explodes. A man's gotta have an end.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Look dude, they can fight however they want. Their whole cause is a weak pretense. The world simply does not work how these people think it does. You have to be talented and lucky, as in using your opportunities wisely, and increasingly born into wealth, to increase your station in life. College is no longer an elevator it once was.

Holding your breath and attacking people on the internet have won exactly zero battles in this world so far. Has any of those websites hacker cells (not saying anon because pffft) caused any real damage by DDOSing and SQL injecting someones web portal? I don't see much in the way of financial hardship for those companies. I would assume any internal network, where the real business is done, would be heavily fortified by expensive...and fun Adaptive Security Appliances, in obfuscating rings away from those portals...if they are even in the same data center at all.

I'm not entirely sure. What I do know is that if those things were to happen it would cease to be a simple consumer revolt which frankly would only fuel the SJW/MSM in an "I told you so" frenzy.
Gawker media and Kotaku have within the last 48 hours changed their ethics policies when it comes to articles posted on their sites (what will become of that is ultimately left to be seen). Gawker is also hiding their advertisements because all but one from the original list of affiliates (hulu) have dropped the site.

The big companies are listening, and contrary to what iruinedyourday will keep baselessly spouting, some of them have made it very clear what side they are on.
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3939/15543502471_326d203150_o.jpg

[radditsu]

I'm not entirely sure. What I do know is that if those things were to happen it would cease to be a simple consumer revolt which frankly would only fuel the SJW/MSM in an "I told you so" frenzy.
Gawker media and Kotaku have within the last 48 hours changed their ethics policies when it comes to articles posted on their sites (what will become of that is ultimately left to be seen). Gawker is also hiding their advertisements because all but one from the original list of affiliates (hulu) have dropped the site.

The big companies are listening, and contrary to what iruinedyourday will keep baselessly spouting, some of them have made it very clear what side they are on.
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3939/15543502471_326d203150_o.jpg

Yeah but these are battles in a meaningless war against people who ultimately don't matter. Gawker was eventually going to get their shit pushed back in by someone..somewhere, when they ultimately got some celebrity killed with their bullshit.

And of all the things you as human beings are crowing about...its corporate sponsorships? Fuck corporate sponsorships.

To paraphrase River fucking Tam: They tell us what to do, what to think, don't run, don't walk. They are in our homes and in our heads and they haven't the right.

All the non dogmatic fervent assholes should be on the same fucking side.

Down with misrepresentation(on both "sides"), up with factual discourse (on both "sides"), down with increasingly dangerous sponsored corporate meddling in every facet of every inch of life, ESPECIALLY JOURNALISM. All you fucks realizing that their are REAL monsters out there who don't give a flying fuck about what you think and how you live and your freedom and that those people are AMERICAN. Put your Millennial brains to that fucking task.


I bet that Shadows of Mordor Youtube bullshit Jim fat fuck Sterling posted about having to Shill out yourself to get a wiff of that games pussy before it came out went right through everybody's ears and tap danced down into the ether.
That should be cannon fodder for the "games journalism is crap" bullshit. But everybody is too busy doxxing each other and calling bullshit "death" threats on each other to notice just how fucked you BOTH are.


http://paidpost.nytimes.com/netflix/women-inmates-separate-but-not-equal.html?_r=0#.VFRahXsVSF8


THIS SHIT SHOULD BE YOUR PROBLEM

[radditsu]

I shouldn't even talk tho. I fell for a Tomato ad built into a cooking show the other day.


http://i5.walmartimages.com/dfw/dce07b8c-4723/k2-_586014a7-31e6-4bfc-80e3-20d7c2141dae.v1.jpg

[Littlegyno 10.0]

Yeah but these are battles in a meaningless war against people who ultimately don't matter. Gawker was eventually going to get their shit pushed back in by someone..somewhere, when they ultimately got some celebrity killed with their bullshit.

And of all the things you as human beings are crowing about...its corporate sponsorships? Fuck corporate sponsorships.

To paraphrase River fucking Tam: They tell us what to do, what to think, don't run, don't walk. They are in our homes and in our heads and they haven't the right.

All the non dogmatic fervent assholes should be on the same fucking side.

Down with misrepresentation(on both "sides"), up with factual discourse (on both "sides"), down with increasingly dangerous sponsored corporate meddling in every facet of every inch of life, ESPECIALLY JOURNALISM. All you fucks realizing that their are REAL monsters out there who don't give a flying fuck about what you think and how you live and your freedom and that those people are AMERICAN. Put your Millennial brains to that fucking task.


I bet that Shadows of Mordor Youtube bullshit Jim fat fuck Sterling posted about having to Shill out yourself to get a wiff of that games pussy before it came out went right through everybody's ears and tap danced down into the ether.
That should be cannon fodder for the "games journalism is crap" bullshit. But everybody is too busy doxxing each other and calling bullshit "death" threats on each other to notice just how fucked you BOTH are.


http://paidpost.nytimes.com/netflix/women-inmates-separate-but-not-equal.html?_r=0#.VFRahXsVSF8


THIS SHIT SHOULD BE YOUR PROBLEM

wow that link is fucking horse shit. Women deserve different treatment purely for their genitals and get a "GET OUT OF JAIL FREE" card while men rot?

"“When you incarcerate a woman, you incarcerate her whole family,” says Rusti Miller-Hill, whose children were put into foster care and subsequently adopted while she served two and a half years for possession of crack cocaine with intent to sell."

So as a father and primary breadwinner for my family, if I were incarcerated, I'd get a pass right by these feminist fuckheads?

[Littlegyno 10.0]

We should try to eliminate the prison-industrial complex and reduce sentences for non-violent offenders, not trying to create a separate system for women and their poor 'fee fees.'

[radditsu]

wow that link is fucking horse shit. Women deserve different treatment purely for their genitals and get a "GET OUT OF JAIL FREE" card while men rot?

"“When you incarcerate a woman, you incarcerate her whole family,” says Rusti Miller-Hill, whose children were put into foster care and subsequently adopted while she served two and a half years for possession of crack cocaine with intent to sell."

So as a father and primary breadwinner for my family, if I were incarcerated, I'd get a pass right by these feminist fuckheads?

http://www.reddit.com/r/pussypass

[radditsu]

Also its an ad designed as a real NYT article. The NYT does a TON better job making that apparent than a fair amount of other news organizations.

[Sidelle]

http://paidpost.nytimes.com/netflix/women-inmates-separate-but-not-equal.html?_r=0#.VFRahXsVSF8


THIS SHIT SHOULD BE YOUR PROBLEM
Having trouble trying to read this article on my Kindle right now for some reason, so I'm wondering does it say who's behind this? If it's a feminist thing, I'm gonna laugh.

[Raev]

I mean, look at Adam Lanza. Look at Elliot Rodger. Guns are available and psychopathy is a very real thing. The way in which the Utah State threats were handled was absolutely irresponsible, and the police hardly "handled" it at all, which is why she had to cancel the lecture.

I am sure I could look up a few statistics about how everyone is a million times more likely to be stung to death by a horde of Japanese hornets than killed by a rogue shooter. But even if you believe that these people are a credible threat to public safety, why is your primary concern censoring video games and gamer thoughtcrime and not privatizing the police force?

[Raev]

I read a short article on the Utah State thing.

Anita's position is the typical upside down nonsense that typifies so many progressives today: she feels oppressed because (rather amazingly in today's day and age) the government wasn't willing to violate the constitutional rights of its citizens.

If she really cared about the issue, she could have either gone ahead with the talk or moved to a private venue and hired a security guard or two to pat people down, but as someone else pointed out earlier, she is just trying to be as oppressed as possible, because somehow that is a badge of honor in today's society.

[loramin]

Anita's position is the typical upside down nonsense that typifies so many progressives today: she feels oppressed because (rather amazingly in today's day and age) the government wasn't willing to violate the constitutional rights of its citizens.

Wait wait wait. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those "ban all guns" people (even thought it does bug the hell out of me that everyone ignores the "well regulated militia" part of the 2nd amendment), and I don't want this to turn in to some debate about banning guns because that's stupid. I've had fun going to the shooting range, and I've eaten a whole lot of delicious dead animals that my in-laws hunted, so I'm not at all "anti-gun".

But look, every constitutional right has limits: I'm a staunch defender of the 1st amendment, but even I want to see some asshole who yells "fire" in a crowded theater go to jail. Same deal here: are your rights also violated because the government won't let you bring guns in your carry on luggage?

The whole way rights work is based on this idea of a sphere of autonomy. Each of us has a little bubble around us that's our rights, and no one can fuck with that bubble normally. But when your bubble and my bubble collide, those rights have to adjust. For instance, I have every right to swing my arm around as much as I want ... until I stand next to you and swinging my arm would actually mean punching you: at that point I've lost my right to swing my arms around.

But if I'm wrong, by all means show me the Supreme Court ruling where they say that banning guns in a particular event for safety reasons is a constitutional violation.

[Rararboker]

Lol constitutional ruling.

This thread has entertained. Much entertainment.

[paulgiamatti]

But even if you believe that these people are a credible threat to public safety, why is your primary concern censoring video games and gamer thoughtcrime and not privatizing the police force?

What do these people have to do to convince you that they're a threat to public safety? Going on a killing spree and murdering dozens of women and children isn't enough? For the third time, my primary concern is simply the way we understand video games. I'm not advocating censorship.

If she really cared about the issue, she could have either gone ahead with the talk or moved to a private venue and hired a security guard or two to pat people down, but as someone else pointed out earlier, she is just trying to be as oppressed as possible, because somehow that is a badge of honor in today's society.

Oh right, my bad. It's her fault some lunatic threatened to murder her and everyone attending the lecture at Utah State. It's her fault feminists "ruined" this guy's life, pushing him to these measures.

Enforcing a no firearms policy on a college campus for one event after a very serious threat is not a violation of rights. It's common sense.

[Glenzig]

Wait wait wait. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those "ban all guns" people (even thought it does bug the hell out of me that everyone ignores the "well regulated militia" part of the 2nd amendment), and I don't want this to turn in to some debate about banning guns because that's stupid. I've had fun going to the shooting range, and I've eaten a whole lot of delicious dead animals that my in-laws hunted, so I'm not at all "anti-gun".

But look, every constitutional right has limits: I'm a staunch defender of the 1st amendment, but even I want to see some asshole who yells "fire" in a crowded theater go to jail. Same deal here: are your rights also violated because the government won't let you bring guns in your carry on luggage?

The whole way rights work is based on this idea of a sphere of autonomy. Each of us has a little bubble around us that's our rights, and no one can fuck with that bubble normally. But when your bubble and my bubble collide, those rights have to adjust. For instance, I have every right to swing my arm around as much as I want ... until I stand next to you and swinging my arm would actually mean punching you: at that point I've lost my right to swing my arms around.

But if I'm wrong, by all means show me the Supreme Court ruling where they say that banning guns in a particular event for safety reasons is a constitutional violation.

However, USU police consulted with the FBI’s cyberterrorism task force and behavioral analysis unit and determined that the threats against Sarkeesian would not prevent a safe lecture, even with firearms allowed.

"Given that she had received many of the same sorts of threats and none of the threats had materialized into anything specific, that was part of the context of the investigation," Vitale said. "That led us to believe that the threat was not imminent or real."

USU officials also pointed to a 2004 state law preventing public universities from restricting guns.

Sarkeesian said she asked for metal detectors or pat-downs at the entrance of the Taggart Student Center auditorium, but USU police said they could not prevent those in attendance from carrying weapons into the lecture if they had concealed weapons permits. Though she said, "in hindsight, I don’t think I’d feel comfortable with any weapons in the auditorium." Police instead promised more officers and a backpack check at the doors. Sarkeesian said she asked whether police could screen the audience for guns and let them in if they had permits, but Vitale said campus law enforcement officers believed that would have been needlessly invasive for the audience.

"If we felt it was necessary to do that to protect Miss Sarkeesian, we absolutely would have done that," Vitale said. "We felt the level of security presence we were putting into this was completely adequate to provide a safe environment."

But, Vitale said, that determination doesn’t replace Sarkeesian’s own judgment, noting that "she’s the one who is standing in front of the audience; she’s the one who has been receiving death threats."

Sarkeesian said the threats were specific, with one claiming, "I have at my disposal a semi-automatic rifle, multiple pistols, and a collection of pipe bombs."

"It’s unacceptable that the school is unable or unwilling to screen for firearms at a lecture on their campus, especially when a specific terrorist threat had been made against the speaker," she said.

USU always has allowed guns at campus events, including speeches by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia in 2008 and actor and activist Danny Glover, whose commencement address in 2010 was targeted by hate mail but nothing rising to the level of a death threat, Vitale said.

So a famous actor and a supreme court judge can still give their speeches with guns allowed, but I guess they aren't special little snowflakes like a raging feminist is.

[maerilith]

Boring.

[loramin]

However, USU police consulted with the FBI’s cyberterrorism task force and behavioral analysis unit and determined that the threats against Sarkeesian would not prevent a safe lecture, even with firearms allowed.

Cool. I'm not saying the school did anything wrong at all: like you said, all the professionals felt a gun ban was unnecessary. Plus, Utah already has their law and it won't change because of her.

But I also don't think Anita did anything wrong: she has every right to chose when, where and if she speaks. If I got death threats for weeks, and then specific ones for that event, I might be concerned about speaking there too. When you're worried about a crazy psycho trying to kill you, the idea of an audience full of gun-bearers can be a little intimidating.

All I was saying was, had the school decided to ban guns at the event because they wanted to placate their speaker, it wouldn't have been a constitutional violation.

[maerilith]

also,

Drama.

[paulgiamatti]

If Glenzig ever posts something more than a couple sentences long, you can safely assume it was copied and pasted from an uncredited source.

[loramin]

P.S. Before anyone says "well she wasn't really worried about a crazy psycho", imagine this: you figure out a way to piss off everyone here worse than Platlord, Lron, and TMO combined. RnF already had doxing and threats before, but now every member of that community is angrier than they've ever been, and it's at you.

Even though most are completely harmless, wouldn't you worry that perhaps one of them might take things a bit farther than the rest, that perhaps one person here is capable of raping or killing? Now imagine a community several orders of magnitude bigger, and ask the same questions.

Even if you still say "no, I'd be cool", I think it's hard to fault someone for feeling differently when it really happens to them.

[Grimfan]

I'll be honest with you, I'm not a real big fan of her very base analyzing of games. I think she (and the other people involved in GG on both sides) really play up the threats. One thing that really bothers me in all of this is that an article will be written about it, and most of the comments are about how the article is brave, or wonderful, or spot on, and then one comment will tell the writer to die, and that comment will breed another article about how awful people are because they want the author of the article, or the person the article is written about to die. I'm getting kind of tired of it. It's a shitty loop, and it's getting tiring at this point.

If anyone is curious, this is what I'm talking about;

http://op-talk.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/31/readers-respond-on-game-over/

Is it entirely necessary that we need to wrap up the user comments and spend a whole bunch of time on how the internet is full of thugs? I guess, but I'm probably just going to check out on the whole thing at this point.

Also, I want to direct this towards iruinedyourday, I know that you like her a lot, but if you actually play the games that she is "in depth" analyzing with her 5 second clips and sound bytes you'll see that they're not all the way she portrays them. There's a lot she leaves out of the games, and she has a tendency to focus on the negative instead of looking for anything positive. It's possible to have a strong female lead character in most of the Bioware games (bikini optional) and that's not even mentioned for the most part. The game she even mentioned as a good example had nothing to do with gender roles and instead handled the way you treat a child going through emotional issues.

She didn't touch, and won't touch games like To the Moon, The Walking Dead, Mass Effect, Papers, Please, Shadow Run Returns, etc. They do not hold any gut wrenching sexism for her to expose and she will not give them the time they deserve because they cannot make a point for her, and they don't act as good bait to outrage people.

Finally, I want to make mention that I think the way journalism is handled right now in games is pretty shitty. The fact that publishers can actually ask reviewers to give them a good score or else they will not give the reviewer an early access copy to review their game is pretty much pure bullshit. That's the ethical issue I think should really be discussed in all this.

[Glenzig]

If Glenzig ever posts something more than a couple sentences long, you can safely assume it was copied and pasted from an uncredited source.

Yup.

[Glenzig]

P.S. Before anyone says "well she wasn't really worried about a crazy psycho", imagine this: you figure out a way to piss off everyone here worse than Platlord, Lron, and TMO combined. RnF already had doxing and threats before, but now every member of that community is angrier than they've ever been, and it's at you.

Even though most are completely harmless, wouldn't you worry that perhaps one of them might take things a bit farther than the rest, that perhaps one person here is capable of raping or killing? Now imagine a community several orders of magnitude bigger, and ask the same questions.

Even if you still say "no, I'd be cool", I think it's hard to fault someone for feeling differently when it really happens to them.

No. If a psycho wanted me dead that badly I'm sure they would be able to do it during my day to day activities while I'm not on high alert. That would be much easier than killing me in public with security surrounding me. But, when you are a professional victim trusting the proper authorities and using common sense doesn't get the media attention you crave.

[Raev]

What do these people have to do to convince you that they're a threat to public safety?

From Slate (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/map_of_the_week/2012/12/sandy_hook_a_chart_of_all_196_fatal_school_shootin gs_since_1980_map.html): 287 people have been killed in school shootings (1980-2012), or < 15 people per year.

Meanwhile cars kill 30,000 people per year and cancer kills 500,000.

To make me seriously care about this, they'd have to be killing at about 100 times the current rate. It is not a problem.

Enforcing a no firearms policy on a college campus for one event after a very serious threat is not a violation of rights. It's common sense.

I don't see how you can say this with a straight face. In the Bill of Rights, the 2nd Amendment declares that the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed. Enforcing a no firearms policy is obviously a violation of those rights. A college campus is government property. If she wants to give her talk in a private building, she can enforce whatever rules the owner will let her get away with.

Again, I support the rights of the game developers to make whatever games they want, the feminists to complain, and the gamers to complain about the feminists complaining. But keep your dirty paws of my Bill of Rights.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Cool. I'm not saying the school did anything wrong at all: like you said, all the professionals felt a gun ban was unnecessary. Plus, Utah already has their law and it won't change because of her.
This is correct.
But I also don't think Anita did anything wrong: she has every right to chose when, where and if she speaks. If I got death threats for weeks, and then specific ones for that event, I might be concerned about speaking there too. When you're worried about a crazy psycho trying to kill you, the idea of an audience full of gun-bearers can be a little intimidating.
She's a professional victim, that was the perfect venue for her to exacerbate the threat into a fucking hurricane... which she later did on national media.
If you look closer into the event though, you'll see that it was going to be an open forum with an unfiltered Q&A session, Anita has a history of only doing closed speeches and pre-approved questions. This is the real reason she canceled.
All I was saying was, had the school decided to ban guns at the event because they wanted to placate their speaker, it wouldn't have been a constitutional violation.
Would it be a constitutional violation? Of course not, it's private property, they can set/change the rules whenever the hell they want.

Would it be stupid? Absolutely. Gun free zones don't work, this has been quantifiably proven over the past twenty years. Mass shootings only happen in gun free zones, the most violent cities in the country have strict gun free policies.

If anything, disarming the bystanders only invites someone to come in and do damage. If you were planning an attack and you found out the speaker just disarmed all of your targets... do math.

P.S. Before anyone says "well she wasn't really worried about a crazy psycho", imagine this: you figure out a way to piss off everyone here worse than Platlord, Lron, and TMO combined. RnF already had doxing and threats before, but now every member of that community is angrier than they've ever been, and it's at you.

Even though most are completely harmless, wouldn't you worry that perhaps one of them might take things a bit farther than the rest, that perhaps one person here is capable of raping or killing? Now imagine a community several orders of magnitude bigger, and ask the same questions.

Even if you still say "no, I'd be cool", I think it's hard to fault someone for feeling differently when it really happens to them.

Been there already. Guess what. In the history of the world there have been 0 cases of a publicly released threat actually going through. The increased police presence at the college was literally for peace of mind and nothing more.

[paulgiamatti]

Well, there you have it folks. People like Adam Lanza and Elliot Rodgers are not a threat to public safety. Good thing we have Raev here to clear that up for us.

[Raev]

Statistics before emotions, Paul.

[loramin]

No. If a psycho wanted me dead that badly I'm sure they would be able to do it during my day to day activities while I'm not on high alert. That would be much easier than killing me in public with security surrounding me.

In the history of the world there have been 0 cases of a publicly released threat actually going through. The increased police presence at the college was literally for peace of mind and nothing more.

You're both thinking way too rationally about this. Sure a perfectly logical psycho would assassinate their victim like Dexter or Solid Snake, but I don't think "rational" and "psychotic killer" really go together. That dude in Arizona went up to a congress woman, with security guards, in broad daylight, and shot her. Bat shit crazy people do that sort of thing.

Similarly, when someone fears for their life, they don't think "am I more likely to be killed by lightning or a psycho killer?" (By the way, that's a dumb comparison people keep making because the rate of people who die after getting death threats is very different from the rate of people in the general population). Most people, when they get a death threat, think "OMFG someone is trying to kill me BECAUSE THEY SENT ME A LETTER SAYING THEY WERE GOING TO KILL ME!"

Now I don't care how much you disagree with her point of view, her PR strategy, or her career as a "professional victim" (whatever that even means). I personally don't have strong feelings about her one way or the other. What I do have strong feelings about is that no one should have to put up with death threats because someone disagrees with their point of view, whether that person is Salmon Rushdie, President Obama, or Anita. And anyone who does get those threats definitely shouldn't have to go anywhere that they've been specifically targeted with a death threat if they don't want to.

This is correct.
Would it be a constitutional violation? Of course not, it's private property, they can set/change the rules whenever the hell they want.

I wasn't arguing with you on that point; someone earlier in the thread (to lazy to see who) was making that claim.

[Glenzig]

You're both thinking way too rationally about this.

That has been a problem for me for most of my life. I was hoping no one would notice.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

"professional victim" (whatever that even means).

This made me lol until I realized that many in this thread probably don't know that Anita, Zoe, Brianna and many others are payed thousands of dollars a month via patreon simply to exist, that they promote themselves (in Anita's case extremely ironically) as damsels in distress that need help to keep 'fighting the good fight'.

[LulzSect]

infuriating

http://currentsurroundings.com/content/random/calvin-hobbes/large/calvin_and_hobbes_010.jpg

[loramin]

infuriating

http://currentsurroundings.com/content/random/calvin-hobbes/large/calvin_and_hobbes_010.jpg


Awesome.


Not to detail this lovely thread, but any Bill Waterson fans out there should know that he recently came out of retirement (briefly) to do a few guest comics in Perals Before Swine. It's not Calvin and Hobbes, but it's still fun.

The plot starts here:
http://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2014/06/02

but Bill's part doesn't start until here:
http://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2014/06/04

... and now back to your regularly scheduled RnF.

[loramin]

er derail, not detail

[JayN]

so wait wemon are being whores on the innernets now too? say it aint so

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdRAyG-BuFE
Before GG, before h8chan.

[Dior]

It started off because of the Quinnspiracy shit. Basically a game dev (I'm not using the gender because it doesn't matter what it is) slept with with journalists and got positive reviews from a game that got mediocre reviews from other reviewers who didn't sleep with the game dev. When it came to light what the dev had done by an ex the shitsunami hit the shitcoast with the force of a thousand shitsuns (but not really.)

Nerds got mad, made vids but didn't actually do anything like boycott the reviewers site or the game. They just amped up the sales and traffic to both.

However, in the last month or so, the gamergate shit got hijacked by Anita Sarkeesian and somehow the harassment she received was thrown in to derail the previous event. Right now, Sarkeesian has gotten loads of press for her series and traffic to her blogs and the aforementioned journo/dev fuckfest has been forgotten.

To me, some pr folks got a hold of the situation and combined the two series of events so as to take the spotlight off the relationships between developers and reviewers.

[iruinedyourday]

It started off because of the Quinnspiracy shit. Basically a game dev (I'm not using the gender because it doesn't matter what it is) slept with with journalists and got positive reviews from a game that got mediocre reviews from other reviewers who didn't sleep with the game dev.

This is the nonsense that is gamergate.. This is the lie that they believe.

The journalist that she slept with gave no such mention of her game. Nor did any other article on the same publication for which he works for, ever say anything about her game let alone whether it was good or bad.

It's such a stupid cause.

[Dior]

This is the nonsense that is gamergate.. This is the lie that they believe.

The journalist that she slept with gave no such mention of her game. Nor did any other article on the same publication for which he works for, ever say anything about her game let alone whether it was good or bad.

It's such a stupid cause.

The whole thing is pretty retarded.

Men crying about women is pathetic enough, but the fact that these babies fail to understand that simply ignoring these people, who clearly want the attention, would do a lot more than making a hastag and talking shit in a forum.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

This is the nonsense that is gamergate.. This is the lie that they believe.

The journalist that she slept with gave no such mention of her game. Nor did any other article on the same publication for which he works for, ever say anything about her game let alone whether it was good or bad.

It's such a stupid cause.
You are really bad at this game.

His name is in the credits of the game. He admitted to being there since the alpha testing phase.

Not that any of that even matters...

What part of "its about the games journalists collectively defending a confirmed liar and a fraud and processing to shit on their customers" don't you get?

[Dior]

What part of "its about the games journalists collectively defending a confirmed liar and a fraud and processing to shit on their customers" don't you get?

I think the reason no one takes the shit serious is because creators/journos being chummy with each other has been a thing forever, in every industry. When mentions of the whole thing first surfaced and other forums started deleting threads on the situation, people automatically assumed it was because she was a chick pushing a feminist idea, instead of understanding that what she did, everyone does and no one likes what they do to be outed. The big companies and the reviewers don't want to explain what exactly is their relationship to one another, so the whole thing got derailed into shit about gender. Which of course lights the fire under every virginal grand wizard on the interwebs.

[Glenzig]

I think the reason no one takes the shit serious is because creators/journos being chummy with each other has been a thing forever, in every industry. When mentions of the whole thing first surfaced and other forums started deleting threads on the situation, people automatically assumed it was because she was a chick pushing a feminist idea, instead of understanding that what she did, everyone does and no one likes what they do to be outed. The big companies and the reviewers don't want to explain what exactly is their relationship to one another, so the whole thing got derailed into shit about gender. Which of course lights the fire under every virginal grand wizard on the interwebs.

Yeah that's pretty much how I understand the whole thing. It also seems to be a complete waste of time on both sides. In 6 months to a year it will be reduced to a punch line in a meme. Its annoying to say the least, on both sides, but beyond that I'm not sure why everyone is so hung up on this right now. Plenty of other more important things to expend my energy on.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I think the reason no one takes the shit serious is because creators/journos being chummy with each other has been a thing forever, in every industry. When mentions of the whole thing first surfaced and other forums started deleting threads on the situation, people automatically assumed it was because she was a chick pushing a feminist idea, instead of understanding that what she did, everyone does and no one likes what they do to be outed. The big companies and the reviewers don't want to explain what exactly is their relationship to one another, so the whole thing got derailed into shit about gender. Which of course lights the fire under every virginal grand wizard on the interwebs.

Yeah that's pretty much how I understand the whole thing. It also seems to be a complete waste of time on both sides. In 6 months to a year it will be reduced to a punch line in a meme. Its annoying to say the least, on both sides, but beyond that I'm not sure why everyone is so hung up on this right now. Plenty of other more important things to expend my energy on.

Honestly it's starting to become a full blown culture war. It might not be important to you but it's clearly important to enough people to his several mainstream media outlets, Colbert and get 5 million tweets in 3 months.

It's just video games. It's a big industry but it's far from complex, much less so if you concentrate on the journalistic aspect. If something so simple and unimportant can't be 'fixed', how do you expect the big issues like news/government/academia/finance corruption to be fixed?

This idea of 'other mediums of media and entertainment are fucked up so it's ok' is pretty ridiculous as well.

http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Breitbart-London/2014/09/18/ME2-copyjpg.jpg

[LulzSect]

http://i.imgur.com/4lUp2nm.gif

[Glenzig]

http://i.imgur.com/4lUp2nm.gif

Her knee must have had too much thin privilege.

[iruinedyourday]

There is nothing to fix. If you don't like what x person is saying, kaga... Then don't watch their YouTube videos, dummy.

Lolz

[Dior]

Honestly it's starting to become a full blown culture war. It might not be important to you but it's clearly important to enough people to his several mainstream media outlets, Colbert and get 5 million tweets in 3 months.

It's just video games. It's a big industry but it's far from complex, much less so if you concentrate on the journalistic aspect. If something so simple and unimportant can't be 'fixed', how do you expect the big issues like news/government/academia/finance corruption to be fixed?

This idea of 'other mediums of media and entertainment are fucked up so it's ok' is pretty ridiculous as well.

http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Breitbart-London/2014/09/18/ME2-copyjpg.jpg

It's done in every industry, everywhere. Not just games. But, the internet is full of tumblr warriors and their mra counterparts. The same victimizing, autistic behavior from a group of repressed, suburbanite fuckheads. A small group, with loud voices, makes it seem more important because they have nothing important going in their lives, so they must create a boogeyman to fight against.

The reason feminists and mra groups stay small is because they are full of retarded children. Adults do something if they see a real problem. Children go on the net and complain.

If you really do see it as a culture war, then why aren't you doing something about it? As I've said before, I want people to act and stop being cowards. I want people to do some fucked up shit. So when they point to this thread, and call me up, I can say that Everquest made me do it. And they'll close the whole dam thing down. I've said it before, that's my end game. I want you pussies to nut up instead of complaining for my entertainment.

[iruinedyourday]

Sounds like kaga is just angry that people are having sex.

[LulzSect]

http://i.imgur.com/uCHUiRZ.gif

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

There is nothing to fix. If you don't like what x person is saying, kaga... Then don't watch their YouTube videos, dummy.

Lolz
Gawker/Kotaku/Gamasutra/etc aren't youtube channels you moron.
You are making it increasingly clear that you are completely clueless about any of the subject matter and are just white knighting because SJW you be.
Sounds like kaga is just angry that people are having sex.

This is known as projection.

[iruinedyourday]

Gawker/Kotaku/Gamasutra/etc aren't youtube channels you moron.

dont go to those websites you dipshit

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

dont go to those websites you dipshit

You are making it increasingly clear that you are completely clueless about any of the subject matter.

[Pokesan]

guys

GUYS

IM MAD ABOUT VIDEO GAMES

DONT WALK AWAY IM NOT AN INSANE IDIOT

VIDEO GAMES ARE REALLY FUCKING IMPORTANT

WOMEN ARE ALSO BAD

[Aviann]

You are making it increasingly clear that you are completely clueless about any of the subject matter.

Hey, check it out Kagatob, your point is fucking useless. Just as fucking useless as these women complaining about god knows what. Fuck God, fuck who knows what, fuck who cares.

WHO FUCKING CARES.

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/288/7/6/deal_with_it___rainbow_style__by_j_brony-d4cwgad.png

You are the same reason why this gamergate bullshit ever collected stream.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

You are the same reason why this gamergate bullshit ever collected stream.

Thanks man! :)

With any luck we'll out these cultural marxists for exactly what they are.

[Pokesan]

please explain whats wrong with marxism and why

i dont actually care about your opinion, i just want you to waste your time

JUST LIKE YOU ALREADY ARE DOING ON YOUR OWN

[Aviann]

please explain whats wrong with marxism and why

i dont actually care about your opinion, i just want you to waste your time

JUST LIKE YOU ALREADY ARE DOING ON YOUR OWN

This. Good luck, Mr. Democrat.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

With any luck we'll out these cultural marxists for exactly what they are.

please explain whats wrong with marxism

Cultural marxism =/= marxism.

[Pokesan]

Cultural marxism =/= marxism.

prove it.

I'm gonna need a multiple paragraph response.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

They are already tearing themselves apart though. There is a schism happening between the sex-positive rad-fems and the sex-negative rad-fems.
http://i.imgur.com/EylxMtn.jpg

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

prove it.

I'm gonna need a multiple paragraph response.

Do your own research you lazy fuckwit.

[Pokesan]

Do your own research you lazy fuckwit.

I was like verbatim quoting you in basically every argument you've had with anyone on this forum.

apply your standards for others to yourself, my gay cum lord

[loramin]

They are already tearing themselves apart though. There is a schism happening between the sex-positive rad-fems and the sex-negative rad-fems.
http://i.imgur.com/EylxMtn.jpg

There sort of is a schism, but it's not tearing them apart and it's not really sex negative vs. sex positive. It's more like one group believing that the key thing is stopping the objectification of women, and the other group believing that female empowerment is the key.

Either way, is it crazy for women to want to live in a society where they can be sexual at times, and not sexual at times, but either way not be excluded from video games or harassed when they form opinions about them?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I was like verbatim quoting you in basically every argument you've had with anyone on this forum.

apply your standards for others to yourself, my gay cum lord
No dude. There's a big difference between you asking me for the definition of a term and me telling Iruinedyourday that he is repeating previously debunked claims (which I did back up earlier or in my other thread)
There sort of is a schism, but it's not tearing them apart and it's not really sex negative vs. sex positive. It's more like one group believing that the key thing is stopping the objectification of women, and the other group believing that female empowerment is the key.

Either way, is it crazy for women to want to live in a society where they can be sexual at times, and not sexual at times, but either way not be excluded from video games or harassed when they form opinions about them?

I agree. It comes back to the whole 'blame the patriarchy' thing. The rad-fems like to bounce back and fourth between their stances depending on which one is more convenient for them at the time. It's frustrating as shit.

[Aviann]

No dude. There's a big difference between you asking me for the definition of a term and me telling Iruinedyourday that he is repeating previously debunked claims (which I did back up earlier or in my other thread)


I agree. It comes back to the whole 'blame the patriarchy' thing. The rad-fems like to bounce back and fourth between their stances depending on which one is more convenient for them at the time. It's frustrating as shit.

As much as I agree with you about this whole gamergate bullshit, the man has a point. You ridiculously post what he basically said in pretty much every fucking thread you post in. It's frustrating as shit.

[Aviann]

P.S. I'd fuck them

[maerilith]

Kagatob is really a major retard lately with these issues. Why is this? Are you denied sex? If so, maybe you should stop being a firebat.

[Dior]

Fucking a. None of the cowards here did anything to stop the incoming vaginal apocalypse.

First the conspiratard thread, and now this one.

I'm starting to think that the whiners here are nothing more than limp wrist, community college going, tin foil hat wearing, aspie behaving suburbanite scum that keep the media they complain about afloat. I thought you guys were real soldiers willing to make it on the news for my entertainment. How disappointing.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Kagatob is really a major retard lately with these issues. Why is this? Are you denied sex? If so, maybe you should stop being a firebat.
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080312224851/starcraft/images/6/6a/Firebat_SC1_Cncpt1.jpg
Fucking a. None of the cowards here did anything to stop the incoming vaginal apocalypse.

First the conspiratard thread, and now this one.

I'm starting to think that the whiners here are nothing more than limp wrist, community college going, tin foil hat wearing, aspie behaving suburbanite scum that keep the media they complain about afloat. I thought you guys were real soldiers willing to make it on the news for my entertainment. How disappointing.

You keep saying paragraphs of nothing over and over. Do you have a point?

[Dior]

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080312224851/starcraft/images/6/6a/Firebat_SC1_Cncpt1.jpg


You keep saying paragraphs of nothing over and over. Do you have a point?

Yes. You're a coward.

Do. Something. About. It. And. Stop. Bitching. Like. A. Battered. Wife.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Yes. You're a coward.

Do. Something. About. It. And. Stop. Bitching. Like. A. Battered. Wife.

Implying nothing is being done.
https://8chan.co/gg/src/1413959729332.png
Implying that emailing is doing nothing. Gawker has lost all but one of it's primary sources of ad revenue.
https://8chan.co/gg/src/1414179205913-0.pnghttps://8chan.co/gg/src/1414179205913-1.png
The stockholders are watching. They know the deal.
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3939/15543502471_326d203150_o.jpg
The development corporations are watching. They know the score.
Got any other baseless accusations iruinedyourdayaltaccount#2 ?

[paulgiamatti]

Statistics before emotions, Paul.

I agree. What you're doing, however, is reducing the statement "people like Adam Lanza and Elliot Rodgers are a threat to public safety" to emotion. There are a couple problems with this. One; if 20 grade-school age children lying dead in a pool of their own blood doesn't evoke an emotional response from you, there's something wrong with you. And two; it's simply a factual statement.

Again, how many people have to die or get shot before you accept that this is a real problem? What about the 70 victims of James Holmes? What about the 56 victims of Seung-Hui Choi? What about the 43 victims of Nidal Malik? What about the 34 victims of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold? What about the 27 victims of Steven Kazmierczak? What about the 25 victims of Mark Barton? What about the 17 victims of Jiverly Wong? What about the 14 victims of Larry Ashbrook? What about the 13 victims of Robert Hawkins? What about the 12 victims of Eduardo Sencion? What about the nine victims of Terry Ratzmann? What about the nine victims of Jeffrey Weise? What about the nine victims of Omar Thornton? What about the eight victims of Charles Thornton? What about the eight victims of Robert Stewart? What about the eight victims of Scott Dekraai? What about the seven victims of Michael McDermott? What about the seven victims of Doug Williams? What about the seven victims of Kyle Huff? What about the seven victims of Jared Loughner? What about the seven victims of One Goh? What about the five victims of Charles Roberts? What about the five victims of Sulejman Talovic? What about the five victims of Jake England? What about the five victims of Ian Stawicki? What about the five victims of Andrew Engeldinger? What about the three victims of Thomas Lane? What about the two victims of Jacob Roberts?

What you're doing is akin to saying there were merely 3,000 victims from the attack on the World Trade Center, a number that amounted to roughly one 95,000th of the United States population at the time, therefore this attack shouldn't have been taken seriously - therefore ideas like jihad and martyrdom that pervade the Muslim world aren't actually real problems. After all, the chance you would've died from an attack the likes of which we saw on 9/11 are only one in 95,000, right?

What you're saying is psychopathy isn't actually a real problem, and guns being readily available to psychopaths isn't actually a real problem because they don't kill enough people yet. Oh, but once they take a sizable chunk out of our population, then we ought to do something about it. Never mind these marginal numbers of casualties and people injured we currently have to deal with, the odds that it'll happen to you is less than the odds of other things killing you, therefore they're not worth being concerned about at all.

[Dior]

Spoken like a true tumblr warrior.

"I won't do anything but people are doing something about it." You might as well have added some Facebook thumbs up and instagram photos of guy in a guy fawkes mask holding a sign saying "We aren't going to take this anymore." You already got the hastag down and autistic behavior down, the rest shouldn't be that hard.

My accusations aren't baseless. You sitting there, typing away and doing nothing is proof enough for all to see. You are the male equivalent of the females you are ranting about.

Good shit tho. Those emails sure do help. They sure do.

On a sidenote, implying that I'm the one account juggling when you can't even change up your posting style when you do it is kind of sad. You got the tumblr rhetoric down and now the "u r a trol" thing too. Teh Ironing Ironicicnity is astounding.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I agree. What you're doing, however, is reducing the statement "people like Adam Lanza and Elliot Rodgers are a threat to public safety" to emotion. There are a couple problems with this. One; if 20 grade-school age children lying dead in a pool of their own blood doesn't evoke an emotional response from you, there's something wrong with you. And two; it's simply a factual statement.

Again, how many people have to die or get shot before you accept that this is a real problem? What about the 70 victims of James Holmes? What about the 56 victims of Seung-Hui Choi? What about the 43 victims of Nidal Malik? What about the 34 victims of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold? What about the 27 victims of Steven Kazmierczak? What about the 25 victims of Mark Barton? What about the 17 victims of Jiverly Wong? What about the 14 victims of Larry Ashbrook? What about the 13 victims of Robert Hawkins? What about the 12 victims of Eduardo Sencion? What about the nine victims of Terry Ratzmann? What about the nine victims of Jeffrey Weise? What about the nine victims of Omar Thornton? What about the eight victims of Charles Thornton? What about the eight victims of Robert Stewart? What about the eight victims of Scott Dekraai? What about the seven victims of Michael McDermott? What about the seven victims of Doug Williams? What about the seven victims of Kyle Huff? What about the seven victims of Jared Loughner? What about the seven victims of One Goh? What about the five victims of Charles Roberts? What about the five victims of Sulejman Talovic? What about the five victims of Jake England? What about the five victims of Ian Stawicki? What about the five victims of Andrew Engeldinger? What about the three victims of Thomas Lane? What about the two victims of Jacob Roberts?

What you're doing is akin to saying there were merely 3,000 victims from the attack on the World Trade Center, a number that amounted to roughly one 95,000th of the United States population at the time, therefore this attack shouldn't have been taken seriously - therefore ideas like jihad and martyrdom that pervade the Muslim world aren't actually real problems. After all, the chance you would've died from an attack the likes of which we saw on 9/11 are only one in 95,000, right?

What you're saying is psychopathy isn't actually a real problem, and guns being readily available to psychopaths isn't actually a real problem because they don't kill enough people yet. Oh, but once they take a sizable chunk out of our population, then we ought to do something about it. Never mind these marginal numbers of casualties and people injured we currently have to deal with, the odds that it'll happen to you is less than the odds of other things killing you, therefore they're not worth being concerned about at all.
Did you really just try to shift the focus to gun control?
Spoken like a true tumblr warrior.

"I won't do anything but people are doing something about it." You might as well have added some Facebook thumbs up and instagram photos of guy in a guy fawkes mask holding a sign saying "We aren't going to take this anymore." You already got the hastag down and autistic behavior down, the rest shouldn't be that hard.

My accusations aren't baseless. You sitting there, typing away and doing nothing is proof enough for all to see. You are the male equivalent of the females you are ranting about.

Good shit tho. Those emails sure do help. They sure do.
"doing nothing" you keep saying that but I don't think it means what you think it means, because it's not descriptive in regards to what is going on. Keep pushing your whiny narrative though, it's doing leagues for you.
On a sidenote, implying that I'm the one account juggling when you can't even change up your posting style when you do it is kind of sad. You got the tumblr rhetoric down and now the "u r a trol" thing too. Teh Ironing Ironicicnity is astounding.
Who is my alt-account then?

[What A Guy]

Seriously though chaps, the alt account has been collecting dust for months ever since the forums went completely down the loo.

[Estolcles]

I agree. What you're doing, however, is reducing the statement "people like Adam Lanza and Elliot Rodgers are a threat to public safety" to emotion. There are a couple problems with this. One; if 20 grade-school age children lying dead in a pool of their own blood doesn't evoke an emotional response from you, there's something wrong with you. And two; it's simply a factual statement.

Again, how many people have to die or get shot before you accept that this is a real problem? What about the 70 victims of James Holmes? What about the 56 victims of Seung-Hui Choi? What about the 43 victims of Nidal Malik? What about the 34 victims of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold? What about the 27 victims of Steven Kazmierczak? What about the 25 victims of Mark Barton? What about the 17 victims of Jiverly Wong? What about the 14 victims of Larry Ashbrook? What about the 13 victims of Robert Hawkins? What about the 12 victims of Eduardo Sencion? What about the nine victims of Terry Ratzmann? What about the nine victims of Jeffrey Weise? What about the nine victims of Omar Thornton? What about the eight victims of Charles Thornton? What about the eight victims of Robert Stewart? What about the eight victims of Scott Dekraai? What about the seven victims of Michael McDermott? What about the seven victims of Doug Williams? What about the seven victims of Kyle Huff? What about the seven victims of Jared Loughner? What about the seven victims of One Goh? What about the five victims of Charles Roberts? What about the five victims of Sulejman Talovic? What about the five victims of Jake England? What about the five victims of Ian Stawicki? What about the five victims of Andrew Engeldinger? What about the three victims of Thomas Lane? What about the two victims of Jacob Roberts?

What you're doing is akin to saying there were merely 3,000 victims from the attack on the World Trade Center, a number that amounted to roughly one 95,000th of the United States population at the time, therefore this attack shouldn't have been taken seriously - therefore ideas like jihad and martyrdom that pervade the Muslim world aren't actually real problems. After all, the chance you would've died from an attack the likes of which we saw on 9/11 are only one in 95,000, right?

What you're saying is psychopathy isn't actually a real problem, and guns being readily available to psychopaths isn't actually a real problem because they don't kill enough people yet. Oh, but once they take a sizable chunk out of our population, then we ought to do something about it. Never mind these marginal numbers of casualties and people injured we currently have to deal with, the odds that it'll happen to you is less than the odds of other things killing you, therefore they're not worth being concerned about at all.

What about the 2 victims of Chris Benoit?

[paulgiamatti]

Did you really just try to shift the focus to gun control?

Haha, I didn't want to initially, but Raev's post got me thinking about how much I hated people like Charlton Heston. It's a better subject at this point anyway, GamerGate is such a completely lost cause that literally the only defense I see in its name anymore is from idiots on this forum. Oh, hi.

[Dior]

"doing nothing" you keep saying that but I don't think it means what you think it means, because it's not descriptive in regards to what is going on. Keep pushing your whiny narrative though, it's doing leagues for you.

Who is my alt-account then?

Oh, I apologize. I never considered the fact that there are people who think people emailing each other and hastagging retarded catchphrases actually does something. You younger peoples with your internets and emailings sure do help out eh? EH?

Come on guy. Come on. Where's the fun in outting your accounts? Isn't it better to not say anything now, try to get the forums mods to institute a one account policy, and see who keeps posting and who just suddenly stops posting? I think it is funner that way.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

GamerGate is such a completely lost cause that literally the only defense I see in its name anymore is from idiots on this forum. Oh, hi.

Evidence?
https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/800/1*F90MdkkWLEYIF0L3QCD-8A.jpeg

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Oh, I apologize. I never considered the fact that there are people who think people emailing each other and hastagging retarded catchphrases actually does something. You younger peoples with your internets and emailings sure do help out eh? EH?

Come on guy. Come on. Where's the fun in outting your accounts? Isn't it better to not say anything now, try to get the forums mods to institute a one account policy, and see who keeps posting and who just suddenly stops posting? I think it is funner that way.

You're projecting now. Hard.

I've shown you that the games journo sites are crumbling and lashing out like children at this point. Keep saying nothing is being accomplished though. Why not provide some evidence to back up your claims?

[paulgiamatti]

Tweets ≠ legitimacy

[Dior]

You're projecting now. Hard.

I've shown you that the games journo sites are crumbling and lashing out like children at this point. Keep saying nothing is being accomplished though. Why not provide some evidence to back up your claims?

The only thing working, temporarily, is ignoring the fucking sites and not being a pr monkey (see:you) for the failed hashtag.

However, these tactics never work in the long run because those sites maintain strangleholds on what is reviewed, posted, and promoted.

When I see a review site, with paid journo's and at least a toehold in the gaming industry, then I will agree with you 100%. But for now, spamming company emails now will only harden the resolve of sponsors when the next gaming fuck up occurs, as they will say "Remember when gamergate was a thing and people temporarily were up in arms and came back? Same thing." In essence, taking the sites out while creating a new, less shitbrained media hub will work. Nothing else will.

Or something. Keep emailing. I hear it works.

[Raev]

I agree. What you're doing, however, is reducing the statement "people like Adam Lanza and Elliot Rodgers are a threat to public safety" to emotion. There are a couple problems with this. One; if 20 grade-school age children lying dead in a pool of their own blood doesn't evoke an emotional response from you, there's something wrong with you. And two; it's simply a factual statement.

No one wants to see children dead. If I could put on my superman cape and deflect the bullets from those various shootings then I would without hesitation. There is a famous quote that I cannot quite remember right now - I believe it was Justice Holmes - which went something along the lines of "When I make rulings which fix one problem, how can I be sure I am not creating new problems?"

Arguing that the government should take weapons away from people is not at all guaranteed to lower violence. Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens prevent crimes all the time, and criminals don't bother to obtain concealed carry permits. The list of sheriff's associations against gun control is long and growing. Furthermore, the original purpose of the 2nd amendment was to give the citizens some means of protection against government oppression.

This is where the emotion vs reason thing comes in: it actually takes courage NOT to act in the face of atrocity, knowing the cure would be worse than the disease. Liberty comes with a price: free speech and the right to bear arms both have down sides. But the upsides are greater.

[Aviann]

All I can think is that these women must've really hated their grandmas.

[FoxxHound]

All I can think is that these women must've really hated their grandmas.

They must've not gotten cookies or something.

[Sidelle]

Fucking a. None of the cowards here did anything to stop the incoming vaginal apocalypse.

First the conspiratard thread, and now this one.

I'm starting to think that the whiners here are nothing more than limp wrist, community college going, tin foil hat wearing, aspie behaving suburbanite scum that keep the media they complain about afloat. I thought you guys were real soldiers willing to make it on the news for my entertainment. How disappointing.
http://i.imgur.com/L41wulQ.jpg

:D

[Aviann]

They must've not gotten cookies or something.

Exactly, or hated everything they were about because they are old or something.

[radditsu]

Yes. You're a coward.

Do. Something. About. It. And. Stop. Bitching. Like. A. Battered. Wife.

I had my libertarian wife shit out 2 kids that I am going to teach to shoot, get concussions playing football and wrestling bears. I am doing my part for the manly cause.


But im also going to teach them to respect people even if they disagree with them and be tolerant of human beings who never had an awesome Dad like me and may need help being their best.


I blend up beef jerky and mix it into the 6 months olds baby food. He can already arm wrestle and handle a .22

[Aviann]

I had my libertarian wife shit out 2 kids that I am going to teach to shoot, get concussions playing football and wrestling bears. I am doing my part for the manly cause.


But im also going to teach them to respect people even if they disagree with them and be tolerant of human beings who never had an awesome Dad like me and may need help being their best.


I blend up beef jerky and mix it into the 6 months olds baby food. He can already arm wrestle and handle a .22

European Libertarian?

[Estolcles]

I had my libertarian wife shit out 2 kids that I am going to teach to shoot, get concussions playing football and wrestling bears. I am doing my part for the manly cause.


But im also going to teach them to respect people even if they disagree with them and be tolerant of human beings who never had an awesome Dad like me and may need help being their best.


I blend up beef jerky and mix it into the 6 months olds baby food. He can already arm wrestle and handle a .22

But will your kids wrestle tigers?

http://www.canoe.ca/WrestlingImagesHarts/stu-tiger.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bTGmp.jpg

[radditsu]

European Libertarian?

I think she picked the party before it got crazied up the last few election cycles. She is a fiscally conservative aetheist.


My lefty heart loves her to death tho.

[Aviann]

I think she picked the party before it got crazied up the last few election cycles. She is a fiscally conservative aetheist.


My lefty heart loves her to death tho.

Man. Just be anarchists with me, we don't need no education

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Every time any of them posts anything anywhere they will be responded with "Not so fast, Mojo Jojo! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUdHA5liNec)" :D

[iruinedyourday]

I think she picked the party before it got crazied up the last few election cycles. She is a fiscally conservative aetheist.


My lefty heart loves her to death tho.

I'm having a hard time imagining what this reality show would be like, but I think I'd watch it.

[Pokesan]

Every time any of them posts anything anywhere they will be responded with "Not so fast, Mojo Jojo! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUdHA5liNec)" :D

Lol at this video

Kagatob made a funny!

[radditsu]

I'm having a hard time imagining what this reality show would be like, but I think I'd watch it.

Oh I can get behind fiscal conservation. But nowdays there are a few things (medicine, insurance, irresponsible financial sector) that cant be solved with bootstaps and gumption. A lot of libertarian crazyspeak reminds me of the goddamn sith before the rule of two.

I realize that no matter what neither of the top two parties will ever do anything for these problems. But I would like to think one day that some pipe laying motherfucker will ruin these peoples shit like they used to with antitrust.

When individual corporations have more power than the collective govt. I have a problem.


But i also think deficits in social systems for poor and uneducated are disgusting and our system of prompting people to be their individual best is fucked.


We get along famously.

Also God doesn't exist and if he did it would be the force (a nebulous uncaring thing). So we agree on that.