vp class c trap is set

[thieros]

tmo suspended from all mobs for 1 week and vp the following week. ib suspended from vp for 1 week!

what guilds will fall into class c with an open vp playground for a week!?

[Joyelle]

probably none.

Congratulations to IB/TMO on each of your uncontested VP weeks! I bet that will deter you from training ever again, huh?

[Pokesan]

I trust the staff to be objective and reasonable, so TMO was clearly in the wrong here.

[Detoxx]

probably none.

Congratulations to IB/TMO on each of your uncontested VP weeks! I bet that will deter you from training ever again, huh?

Lol, IB is only ones getting a free week

[Lazie]

This is crazy. IB kites Hoshkar for 6m and 19 seconds on the last repop. They drop Hoshkar into the path of Kingore and get him AE'ed and in low health aggro range...This causes Druushk to turn around for 13 seconds...We clean up the mess they caused by their kite of Hoshkar being dropped on our pull...And we get hit for kiting. Doesn't make any sense.

[Detoxx]

In b4 BDA's open server thread welcoming all people with vp keys to raid vp and playing the white knight!

[Fysts]

Getsome must have taken some pointers from Chest, cause it seems now they have begged their way into free mobs outside vp for a week and inside vp for the following week.

[Nukehard]

This is crazy. IB kites Hoshkar for 6m and 19 seconds on the last repop. They drop Hoshkar into the path of Kingore and get him AE'ed and in low health aggro range...This causes Druushk to turn around for 13 seconds...We clean up the mess they caused by their kite of Hoshkar being dropped on our pull...And we get hit for kiting. Doesn't make any sense.

[Alarti0001]

26 seconds.... 26 TWENTY-SIX TWENTY-SIX SECONDS

[kotton05]

Very vague rulings by the staff. Would like to know more.

[Detoxx]

Very vague rulings by the staff. Would like to know more.

Naw dawg, time to go into hiding like all times in the past

[Lazie]

Watch what you say guys. They will ban your forum accounts and call it trolling.

[kotton05]

My precious!!!! Ugh just wish he did this on his stream or something.

[Tongpow]

Watch what you say guys. They will ban your forum accounts and call it trolling.


just wait 26 seconds before trolling, should be fine

[Lazie]

just wait 26 seconds before trolling, should be fine

They should show the time the repop happened and the time of death on Trakanon. Another bullshit decision.

[Socratic]

So glad I stopped playing. Sirken proving yet again that he's too ignorant to do his job.

[kotton05]

26 seconds.... 26 TWENTY-SIX TWENTY-SIX SECONDS

The number 26 is a great movie

[Detoxx]

So glad I stopped playing. Sirken proving yet again that he's too ignorant to do his job.

Sup man, yea dont bother coming back. It absolutely retarded in any way. Maybe when velious comes out this server has a shot at redemption, until then, steer clear of this bullshit imo.

[Lazie]

The logs do the talking.

[Tue Nov 11 21:30:36 2014] Hoshkar engages Layze!
[Tue Nov 11 21:36:44 2014] Druushk engages Merkk!
[Tue Nov 11 21:36:51 2014] Layze shouts, 'HOSHKAR DROPPED'

^^6 minute and 15 second kite of Hoshkar dropped as FTE on Druu is established^^

[Tue Nov 11 21:37:08 2014] Kingore shouts, 'where did you drop him'
[Tue Nov 11 21:37:16 2014] Kingore shouts, 'oh. on our pull.'
[Tue Nov 11 21:37:18 2014] Layze shouts, 'PD area'

^^My logs...Kingore's logs below...

[Tue Nov 11 22:37:32 2014] Layze shouts, 'will be no where close to you'
[Tue Nov 11 22:37:43 2014] Hoshkar scowls at you, ready to attack -- what would you like your tombstone to say?
[Tue Nov 11 22:37:44 2014] A racnar hits YOU for 590 points of damage.
[Tue Nov 11 21:37:44 2014] A racnar tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Tue Nov 11 22:37:44 2014] You are thirsty.
[Tue Nov 11 22:37:44 2014] You are hungry.
[Tue Nov 11 22:37:44 2014] You are out of food and drink.
[Tue Nov 11 22:37:46 2014] Hoshkar engages Kingore!
[Tue Nov 11 22:37:48 2014] Your body begins to rot. You have taken 1250 points of damage.

Kingore doing train-up asking where he is because he is on trainup. Layze lies straight to him saying he won't be in the path of the pull and gets him AE'ed to low health.

We are nailed for kiting when they kited Hoshkar long enough to drop him on our pulls.

[Fael]

0 respect for our csr staff. 0 respect. The last year has been dreadful to be honest.

Dolic

[Fysts]

Sirken, I am not quite sure how you can justify calling a pull in VP stalling, when IB has taken up to twice as long on similar pulls. I am not sure if you are making a statement, or if you just feel the need to give IB free mobs in VP. I cannot understand how you can sit back and ignore some of the blatant trains, pulls, and stalls IB has made, yet focus intently on what TMO has done. Where is the classic mechanics you guys so strongly hold your convictions to. VP was made to be a non gm involved zone, so stay out of it. VP was fun once, until you spawned rule upon rule upon rule, which only favors those that can spin a fraps to convince you something wrong is taking place. Sorry but to me, it seems like you are taking sides in this fight, and rewarding IB uncontested mobs, yet sit back and preach Competition is what you want. Sorry the raid scene is fucked. Coth ducking, fastest load times win, first to jav a mob, ways to train or charm others and not get caught, best fraps video, fuck i cant even raid anymore hardly without having to hire a lawyer to represent every move or fd i make. VP-NON CSR zone. Only 2 guild members allowed in zone where a raid mob spawns, NON CAMPED IN ZONE ANYWHERE. all mobs outsdide VP must be engaged at spawn point. AKA everyone who partakes in fight must engage within 30 seconds of fte message. NO cross zones pulls, no stalling, no 2man engages, If you engage a mob everyone who is in fight must engage, with exception of Fay. Dont care if its sev/tal/vs etc, make it so the whole raid force has 30 seconds to engage. No more jav fest, no more coth ducking. FIRST GUILD prepared gets, and NOONE can camp in the zone.

[Detoxx]

The GM Staff has met, discussed, and agreed, that if a Class C guild does not get a Class C kill for 30 days, then that guild can request that the staff place them back inside Class R. This request will only be granted on those terms.

-Project1999 Staff

Lol, not only minutes after vp is open to class r.

[Bazia]

love u staff

[Dizey]

its a honey trap!

[kotton05]

this is either a way to get a guild to go class c or get more people on red. sirken plz stream why and what your thoughts are.

[Tasslehofp99]

So in other words, after TMO's 14 days being suspended...we will only be 16 days away from being class R? Sounds like an excellent opportunity to rustle some jimmies and generate some quality RNF in this piece, folks!

[Alarti0001]

how many seconds before that axe was going to rot before I got petitioned by tmo for ninja looting after being told by tmo I could loot it? oh, 13 seconds...out of 30 min corpse....stfu alarti about 26 seconds.

The action you did was what was what in question no timer necessary. Stupid

[Pokesan]

Like Deru and Sirk have said, they're always working on the big picture for P99

It just so happens that the big picture includes Class R getting VP mobs

Nothing you can do about it

[Lazie]

Solb train by IB mentioned as reason for their punishment...No mobs outside of VP they can't go after.

2 instances listed for TMO suspension makes zero sense coming from GM's who claim to know what is going on. I listed the logs of one. Trakanon was killed 10 seconds after the 12 hours were up on the repop. The rule stated "Regulated to 2 kills in 12 hours". The 3rd kill didn't happen until 10 seconds after 12 hours expired. They are now changing it to "Can't engage 3 mobs" proving it was the bad wording of the rule that was at fault and not the guild.

[Troubled]

http://i.imgur.com/Z8Oy3D2.jpg

[Lazie]

http://i.imgur.com/Z8Oy3D2.jpg

Good luck on loot bro.

[Bazia]

awful ui

[Man0warr]

Lol Sirken banishing TMO from VP. Get out casual scum.

[Tierael]

awful ui

You should see mine.

http://i.imgur.com/afDgXeL.jpg

[Bazia]

yeah that is pretty bad

[Detoxx]

So are you guys just gunna spawn all of them for BDA? So they dont have to wait for their (more) free hand outs?

[Phantasm]

I think sometimes people have to take a step back and realize this is a fucking video game

[Detoxx]

I think sometimes people have to take a step back and realize this is a fucking video game

Yea, I agree. My guildleader doesn't hold a 3 year grudge against a guild in this "game" and refuses to port/heal/buff/res anyone with the tag all while brainwashing his cronies to do the same lol. Just a game brew

[Tierael]

Yea, I agree. My guildleader doesn't hold a 3 year grudge against a guild in this "game" and refuses to port/heal/buff/res anyone with the tag all while brainwashing his cronies to do the same lol. Just a game brew

I'll rez ya. Fuck the mandate >.<

[Lazie]

Lol Sirken banishing TMO from VP. Get out casual scum.

He is just helping us get out quickly.

[Phantasm]

Your sense of humor has just gotten better! (2)

[Argh]

This threads hilarious.

[Jfertal]

fucking nerds

[Skew]

Grats Chest PD robe and Suede boots.

[Detoxx]

Grats Chest Crown of Rile, Robe of the Azure Sky, Grey Suede Boots, and Bo Staff of Trorsmang (Sorry Raev!)

[Argh]

http://i.imgur.com/WgllO.png

[zanderklocke]

http://i.imgur.com/wc7gmNV.jpg

[Troubled]

Represents the spell slots and since they're always changing, no reason to name them.

[zanderklocke]

But why 88 instead of just 8?

[Troubled]

But why 88 instead of just 8?

I find it easier to see. The colors represent the spells normally in the slots(to me) so it helps as well.

[Lazie]

Rewording of the rule request please.

On any full server respawn, all guilds are limited to engaging two raid mob for 12 hours. This limitation does not apply to mobs that are exclusive to a Class.

[Tierael]

Rewording of the rule request please.

On any full server respawn, all guilds are limited to engaging two raid mob for 12 hours. This limitation does not apply to mobs that are exclusive to a Class.

Rule granted. Just fraps'd it being printed and Alarti running to paste it in his book of laws.

http://justsomething.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/cat-owner-1.gif

[Lazie]

Rule granted. Just fraps'd it being printed and Alarti running to paste it in his book of laws.

http://justsomething.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/cat-owner-1.gif

:rolleyes:

[BlkCamel]

http://justsomething.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/cat-owner-1.gif[/IMG]

:D

[Servellious]

someones gotta pick up the scraps shit is hilarious.

[Skew]

Violating repop bag limit by 26 seconds (CT, Trak, Trak). Incorrect. We followed the rules literally. Killed after the bag limit timer.[/B]

Illegal FTE on Sev (killed Sev anyway). Incorrect. We did not kill Sev. And to top it off , the mugboat who got illegal FTE is now an IB applicant.

Training mobs in Sol B during the last repop. Incorrect. Xasten hopefully has fraps showing IB training practically the entire zone to zone in. This is SOP for IB on Naggy attempts (as per the last several class C Naggies where they just train everything , and wiped us 2 weeks ago in the process

Training in VP that resulted in wiping another guild's raid force. No idea what this is. Can we at least see/be given details of what we are accused of?

Kiting/Stalling mobs in VP during last repop. Incorrect. See Lazies post page 1. To the contrary , this was an IB stall of epic proportions.

[Skew]

How are IB only suspended from VP ONLY MOBS for 1 week even though they are also pinged for a Sol-B train on Nagafen?
Is it the Sev we did not kill or the Trak we killed after the baglimit timer that is worth 2 weeks of outside VP mobs?

[Lazie]

Violating repop bag limit by 26 seconds (CT, Trak, Trak). Incorrect. We followed the rules literally. Killed after the bag limit timer.[/B]

Illegal FTE on Sev (killed Sev anyway). Incorrect. We did not kill Sev. And to top it off , the mugboat who got illegal FTE is now an IB applicant.

Training mobs in Sol B during the last repop. Incorrect. Xasten hopefully has fraps showing IB training practically the entire zone to zone in. This is SOP for IB on Naggy attempts (as per the last several class C Naggies where they just train everything , and wiped us 2 weeks ago in the process

Training in VP that resulted in wiping another guild's raid force. No idea what this is. Can we at least see/be given details of what we are accused of?

Kiting/Stalling mobs in VP during last repop. Incorrect. See Lazies post page 1. To the contrary , this was an IB stall of epic proportions.

Careful man. Applying the rules as they are literally written is dangerous. As well as pointing out the obvious 6+ minute kite of Hoshkar that conveniently got dropped 7 seconds after the Druushk FTE directly in the path of the pull. We got suspended for a week earlier this year for dropping a Druushk the same way. We even communicated in shout with the other guild asking if they dropped it in our pull path with Sirken in zone to witness and was assured it wasn't.

I mean Sirken was IN THE ZONE when all that transpired and still made a horrible conclusion. Guess we need to get a few officer on his Twitch stream preferably female.

[Mead]

How are IB only suspended from VP ONLY MOBS for 1 week even though they are also pinged for a Sol-B train on Nagafen?
Is it the Sev we did not kill or the Trak we killed after the baglimit timer that is worth 2 weeks of outside VP mobs?

You might be focusing on the wrong details here. It's pretty apparent tmo needs to focus on their own current raiding strategies to avoid future suspensions rather than how another guild received a lesser punishment. Keep killin' it on da boards doe.

[Lazie]

You might be focusing on the wrong details here. It's pretty apparent tmo needs to focus on their own current raiding strategies to avoid future suspensions rather than how another guild received a lesser punishment. Keep killin' it on da boards doe.

False. Our strategy was to pull 3 dragons in a row. Instead of having a competent pull tactic IB trains/pulls Dragons into pull paths. There have been instances of PD Kited all the way up to balcony on fraps submitted on IB. They kept FTE on Silverwing throughout a PD pull and kill and then killed Silverwing. They kited Hoshkar 6+ minutes on the last repop with no intention to kill it. Yet our Druushk turns around for a brief bit because of their negligence and we get called for a kite.

I am being real here this has occurred and was submitted to GM's with no response. That Trakanon on the repop ?? IB mage aggroed a jugg by sitting too close to the edge after the Trakanon engage and train out was over. The solo Jugg he aggroed ran up and killed him and aggroed other people. Sirken DT'ed a TMO monk and blamed him. This fraps was showed to GM's. It's getting surreal what is going on. It looks literally like they are just counting who posted the most petitions wins instead of what actually is occurring on these raids. The direct opposite of what they said they wanted.

[Tasslehofp99]

Doesn't even matter, we all know the truth is not what prevails on p99 :(

[Ravager]

And you guys think Class R is a bunch of crybabies.

[kotton05]

All classes can cry abit!

[HeallunRumblebelly]

http://tumblrofthrones.tumblr.com/post/14025837256/here-boy-melt-it-down-and-add-it-to-the-others

[Pint]

Guess tmo going to be raiding rnf hard this week

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Lots of tmo on thin ice before this with horrible decisions by server staff. Hope the momentum we had stays through another suspension but I truly doubt it.

[Pint]

Lots of tmo on thin ice before this with horrible decisions by server staff. Hope the momentum we had stays through another suspension but I truly doubt it.

Damn heallun don't kick your boys while they're down

[Whiteberry]

] Guess we need to get a few officer on his Twitch stream preferably female.
Knix Future Officer 2015?

[Lazie]

Damn heallun don't kick your boys while they're down

He's telling the truth. When the GM above raiding conducts most of his decision making in Skype and privately there is very little room for the entire server to see what is actually going on. When the normal people who are at these raids and understands the mechanics of what is happening come here and explain what happened in reality we basically get told by people "Your TMO you are wrong".

It doesn't foster an environment a lot of us wanted. A better raid system that is open to more people. It takes the game out of the hands of the players on this server and puts it into the hands of petitionquest/frapsquest after the fact. May the player with the best relationship with the GM's win!! We need these issues to be public. It would allow the public to see the reality of things instead of these blanket assessments made after a month or 2 of petitions put in. All the other folks not in our guild or IB's sees in GM posts in Raid Forums for suspensions with half the facts wrong.

We took the GM's at their word when they said they wanted it worked out between guilds. We let a lot of issues IB caused go because we wanted to foster that environment. IB didn't. They put themselves in idiotic positions and frapsed the results. Petitioned beyond belief until they got a positive result for their guild. IB trained themselves with Hoshkar and Druushk awhile back and presented a fraps to the GM of them doing it to themselves. The GM's suspended us. IB actually drops a Dragon in the path of our pull and causes the train up guy to get low health aggro on Druushk causing him to turn around (Basically the same thing we got suspended for). We get told we were kiting Druushk AFTER they kited Hoshkar for 6+ minutes.

If all of this would have been submitted in a public forum for everyone to see it would be surprising to a few of you guys that are skilled and understand this games mechanics. The things that are getting ruled makes no sense. It's like a popularity contest right now instead of being a rules written/rules enforced system. Even as I am typing this out I know a few will roll their eyes and say "Yeah right". /shrug.

[Fael]

What's the God damn point lazy.

Sirken has carte Blanche to do what he wants.

Who cares if it makes sense at this point.

Dolic

[PsychoTass]

http://www.that1960chick.com/wp-content/uploads/Crying-Japanese-Politician.jpg

[Fael]

Your wrong about that also lazy.

This community doesn't care about whether something is true or not.
In their mind TMO deserves to be suspended 100 times over, explanation or not.

dolic

[arsenalpow]

Your wrong about that also lazy.

This community doesn't care about whether something is true or not.
In their mind TMO deserves to be suspended 100 times over, explanation or not.

dolic

reap what you sow something something something

[Lazie]

reap what you sow something something something

Amazing you chose Class C instead of a suspension when free VP mobs were on the table. :)

[Absolution]

Damn a new ocean has been created with TMO's tears !! Also Thanks Lazie & Dolic for your huge contribution. Ahah

[Fael]

Damn a new ocean has been created with TMO's tears !! Also Thanks Lazie & Dolic for your huge contribution. Ahah

im not crying bro, only Disappointed at the people involved (gms).

Have at them pixels, my main has been fully geared for about half a year.

Besides I don't have time to spend my weekends standing at the vp pad for 48 hours.
Been playing on red more and more of late; and logging in here to fte On Sunday afternoons.

Folic

[Lazie]

im not crying bro, only Disappointed at the people involved (gms).

Have at them pixels, my main has been fully geared for about half a year.

Besides I don't have time to spend my weekends standing at the vp pad for 48 hours.
Been playing on red more and more of late; and logging in here to fte On Sunday afternoons.

Folic

Give Cuc's the Hosh weapon if it drops. Man deserves it.

[Reguiy]

He's telling the truth. When the GM above raiding conducts most of his decision making in Skype and privately there is very little room for the entire server to see what is actually going on. When the normal people who are at these raids and understands the mechanics of what is happening come here and explain what happened in reality we basically get told by people "Your TMO you are wrong".

It doesn't foster an environment a lot of us wanted. A better raid system that is open to more people. It takes the game out of the hands of the players on this server and puts it into the hands of petitionquest/frapsquest after the fact. May the player with the best relationship with the GM's win!! We need these issues to be public. It would allow the public to see the reality of things instead of these blanket assessments made after a month or 2 of petitions put in. All the other folks not in our guild or IB's sees in GM posts in Raid Forums for suspensions with half the facts wrong.

We took the GM's at their word when they said they wanted it worked out between guilds. We let a lot of issues IB caused go because we wanted to foster that environment. IB didn't. They put themselves in idiotic positions and frapsed the results. Petitioned beyond belief until they got a positive result for their guild. IB trained themselves with Hoshkar and Druushk awhile back and presented a fraps to the GM of them doing it to themselves. The GM's suspended us. IB actually drops a Dragon in the path of our pull and causes the train up guy to get low health aggro on Druushk causing him to turn around (Basically the same thing we got suspended for). We get told we were kiting Druushk AFTER they kited Hoshkar for 6+ minutes.

If all of this would have been submitted in a public forum for everyone to see it would be surprising to a few of you guys that are skilled and understand this games mechanics. The things that are getting ruled makes no sense. It's like a popularity contest right now instead of being a rules written/rules enforced system. Even as I am typing this out I know a few will roll their eyes and say "Yeah right". /shrug.

I'm thinking this 2 week break is a blessing in disguise for you.

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/b3/9f/ca/b39fca8f8c04cbe1c01b99f5bfbeff52.jpg

[Lazie]

I'm thinking this 2 week break is a blessing in disguise for you.

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/b3/9f/ca/b39fca8f8c04cbe1c01b99f5bfbeff52.jpg

About what I expected in a response. I play this game only on the weekends. I get plenty of a break outside of that.

[Kingore]

Will Taken step up and crush BDA in VP? TMO raid leader here will give you all the strat you need to keep loot out of the hands of Chestyfaggot

[Daldaen]

We have...

1 Cleric (inactive)
2 Enchanters
3 Druids
1 Mage
2 Rangers (1 inactive)
2 Warriors
1 Rogue
2 Monks (1 inactive)
1 Necro
1 Shaman
1 Wizard

Keyed for VP. No, we have 0 intent on going into VP by ourselves. Nor do we have any plans in the future so long as FFA Trakanon is the way it is with a 4-mage CotH race + 2 full group poopsock at entrance.

If a conglomerate of Class R guilds were allowed to band together and kill VP mobs without pushing their respective Class R guilds to C... we would probably figure something out to try it out.

[PsychoTass]

About what I expected in a response. I play this game only on the weekends. I get plenty of a break outside of that.
http://replygif.net/i/166.gif

Keep telling yourself that pal nobody else believes you.

[Took]

No idea why people play blue.

[Kingore]

No idea why people play blue.

Red is decent except for the leader board and wizard alts who just nuke unsuspecting people for the YT.

[Ravager]

We have...

1 Cleric (inactive)
2 Enchanters
3 Druids
1 Mage
2 Rangers (1 inactive)
2 Warriors
1 Rogue
2 Monks (1 inactive)
1 Necro
1 Shaman
1 Wizard

Keyed for VP. No, we have 0 intent on going into VP by ourselves. Nor do we have any plans in the future so long as FFA Trakanon is the way it is with a 4-mage CotH race + 2 full group poopsock at entrance.

If a conglomerate of Class R guilds were allowed to band together and kill VP mobs without pushing their respective Class R guilds to C... we would probably figure something out to try it out.

Class C does so well at monopolizing content that most VP keys get bled off to them.

[Joyelle]

Will Taken step up and crush BDA in VP? TMO raid leader here will give you all the strat you need to keep loot out of the hands of Chestyfaggot

LOL... wanna donate some Trak Teeth to the cause? Otherwise dream on.

[Shinko]

We have...

1 Cleric (inactive)
2 Enchanters
3 Druids
1 Mage
2 Rangers (1 inactive)
2 Warriors
1 Rogue
2 Monks (1 inactive)
1 Necro
1 Shaman
1 Wizard

Keyed for VP. No, we have 0 intent on going into VP by ourselves. Nor do we have any plans in the future so long as FFA Trakanon is the way it is with a 4-mage CotH race + 2 full group poopsock at entrance.

If a conglomerate of Class R guilds were allowed to band together and kill VP mobs without pushing their respective Class R guilds to C... we would probably figure something out to try it out.

come over to FE i lead your rag tag bag of people to #winning

[Lazie]

http://replygif.net/i/166.gif

Keep telling yourself that pal nobody else believes you.

#2yearoldmeme

[fullmetalcoxman]

So looking at the suspension posts...

IB suspended from now until the 22nd.
TMO suspended from the 22nd to the 29th.

Interesting.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

So looking at the suspension posts...

IB suspended from now until the 22nd.
TMO suspended from the 22nd to the 29th.

Interesting.
Tmo suspended from vp for an additional week. Both guilds all mobs for 1 week. R guilds need that pixel iv or it'll be back to 500 a night and population over all.

[fullmetalcoxman]

Not according to the raid discussion posts as of 8:45am today.

[Lazie]

Not according to the raid discussion posts as of 8:45am today.

Yes. It's 2 weeks for TMO.

[arsenalpow]

it's week 1 IB/TMO both suspended from VP but IB can do normal mobs, week 2 TMO is suspended from just VP IB has no suspension

[fullmetalcoxman]

If you guys say so I guess.

[PsychoTass]

#2yearoldmeme



In other words you have no valid argument that p99 is your life. Thanks for confirming.

[Lazie]

In other words you have no valid argument that p99 is your life. Thanks for confirming.

:)

[zanderklocke]

Will help any guild with my VP-keyed bard.

[Shinko]

Forceful Entry, Looking for More VP TOONS, NON TMO/IB please

[Detoxx]

I think it's about time you step down sirken. This is some of the worst GMing i have ever seen. We literally have petitions in of IB doing THE SAME SHIT you just suspended us for. You obviously lack basic understanding of game mechanics (as evidenced by DTing someone for killing king in the water, claiming that sneak pulling was an exploit then being proven wrong in a bug thread i put up and also witnessing IB drop hosh on kingore, which lead to low hp and why druushk turned around).

it's pretty pathetic that this servers rulings come down to who has your ear at the time, and being a GM for the notoriety of your stream is just as bad. Its obvious you don't give a shit and you also don't give a shit if you get it right.

This isnt a troll, it's a serious concern from someone who invests their time here.

[Rais]

:)

http://i.imgur.com/QgLlp.gif

[indiscriminate_hater]

[Tue Nov 11 22:37:48 2014] Your body begins to rot. You have taken 1250 points of damage.


wtb resist gear

[Lazie]

http://i.imgur.com/QgLlp.gif

:D

[Detoxx]

http://i.imgur.com/QgLlp.gif

Oh look, the only GM i wouldn't want over sirken posts here. You were a terrible GM and an even worse forum troll.

[Bazia]

o stop being so dramatic

[Absolution]

Detoxx over-mad LOL. If your guild was clean, nothing would happened. You deserve your punishment. Go QQ away

[Lazie]

Detoxx over-mad LOL. If your guild was clean, nothing would happened. You deserve your punishment. Go QQ away

You guys are so clueless.

[Absolution]

Please Lazie...

http://w3guy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/no-spam-logo-300x2951.jpg

[Detoxx]

Detoxx over-mad LOL. If your guild was clean, nothing would happened. You deserve your punishment. Go QQ away

LOL an anon forum troll thats probably IB and isn't allowed to speak or a BDA troll whose entire guild is a hypocrite. Either way, you're much worse off than me.

[Lazie]

Please Lazie...

http://w3guy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/no-spam-logo-300x2951.jpg

Winding...

[Ravager]

LOL an anon forum troll thats probably IB and isn't allowed to speak or a BDA troll whose entire guild is a hypocrite. Either way, you're much worse off than me.

I'm in BDA and I have a tan, straight teeth and a smart haircut. I think I'm doing pretty well for myself.

[Detoxx]

I'm in BDA and I have a tan, straight teeth and a smart haircut. I think I'm doing pretty well for myself.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/fe/fe0bf67b5a092811366a577f6011c389edd0759dba0047eb35 80b6a7803ee1b9.jpg

[YendorLootmonkey]

BDA troll whose entire guild is a hypocrite.

We have stated from day one it's not about Class C or Class R or anything... it was simply not wanting to spend basement-dweller amount of effort to experience content against a group of basement dwellers who are taking a game way too far. Now we can experience Class C content for a week without having to stoop down to your level because playing at your level got you raid suspended. How is that hypocritical?

You guys have been practically begging us to come Class C. Wish granted. Now you're crying about it? That, sir, is hypocrisy. ;)

[Kekephee]

LOL an anon forum troll thats probably IB and isn't allowed to speak or a BDA troll whose entire guild is a hypocrite. Either way, you're much worse off than me.

explain the hypocrisy of a guild choosing to go class C temporarily over being raid suspended. I mean, if the things you are constantly saying are to be believed, we are a loafing lazy no good welfare guild that only takes loot that is handed to us, right? We're not the ones who have been running around screaming I WILL ONLY PLAY DRAGONS IF IT MEANS I HAVE TO FIGHT OTHERS FOR THEM, THERE IS NO GAME UNLESS YOU ARE FIGHT FOR DRAGONS


And of course the whole "if you can catch the other guy doing bads on fraps, you get to blackmail them into handing you free dragons with no competition" aspect, which was a TMO invention, is just so fucking competitive isn't it, obviously we're the hypocrites here

[Detoxx]

We have stated from day one it's not about Class C or Class R or anything... it was simply not wanting to spend basement-dweller amount of effort to experience content against a group of basement dwellers who are taking a game way too far. Now we can experience Class C content for a week without having to stoop down to your level because playing at your level got you raid suspended. How is that hypocritical?

You guys have been practically begging us to come Class C. Wish granted. Now you're crying about it? That, sir, is hypocrisy. ;)

Yea cause we wanted you to come to class c to compete, not because the server staff decided to give you more free handouts. Awfully convenient that TMO/IB get suspended at the same time this server offers you a sweet deal to score some free loot. Seems like a good solution to your incessant bitching (again). Grats tho guys, well fought and hard earned.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Yea cause we wanted you to come to class c to compete*, not because the server staff decided to give you more free handouts. Awfully convenient that TMO/IB get suspended at the same time this server offers you a sweet deal to score some free loot. Seems like a good solution to your incessant bitching (again). Grats tho guys, well fought and hard earned.

You act like we're the ones who got you suspended. We're merely benefiting from your guild's dumb choices.

* And please do not use the word "compete", because we all know whatever this raid scene has degenerated into is not competition. It's about whoever can grow the biggest neckbeard in their mother's basement. If it were about true, sportsman-like competition, you wouldn't be suspended now, would you? And you could still be in VP looting up pixels for your 4th and 5th alts.

[Absolution]

They are just mad cause they lost their precious pixels for 2 weeks and they will not be able to keep their members motivated with some promise loots.

I feel also sad about being app in TMO, they probably realized how this guild is full of worse/ QQ players.

At least Knix & Portsche will have free times for recruit in COM/MM or EC !

[Lazie]

We have stated from day one it's not about Class C or Class R or anything... it was simply not wanting to spend basement-dweller amount of effort to experience content against a group of basement dwellers who are taking a game way too far. Now we can experience Class C content for a week without having to stoop down to your level because playing at your level got you raid suspended. How is that hypocritical?

You guys have been practically begging us to come Class C. Wish granted. Now you're crying about it? That, sir, is hypocrisy. ;)

Are you sure it's going to be that easy ? If I was other guilds on the server I would pool VP keys together and go for it. The possible loot to be randomed would be worth waiting out 30 days.

[Lazie]

They are just mad cause they lost their precious pixels for 2 weeks and they will not be able to keep their members motivated with some promise loots.

I feel also sad about being app in TMO, they probably realized how this guild is full of worse/ QQ players.

At least Knix & Portsche will have free times for recruit in COM/MM or EC !

For the 100th time it's not about Loot. I'd like to see Troub or Cuc's get some VP items. Pretty chill guys.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Are you sure it's going to be that easy ? If I was other guilds on the server I would pool VP keys together and go for it. The possible loot to be randomed would be worth waiting out 30 days.

I don't know... you guys did a stellar job of monopolizing Trak kills for so long, are there enough active non-Class C players who have keys and haven't been burnt out by Class C guilds trying to decide who is and who isn't "worthy" enough for pixels on this server?

[YendorLootmonkey]

For the 100th time it's not about Loot. I'd like to see Troub or Cuc's get some VP items. Pretty chill guys.

You're right, it's not directly about loot. It's about you arbitrarily deeming that others on the server have to "earn" their loot in a certain fashion that you define. Otherwise VP would be on the table for rotation in Class R, right?

That's what I thought.

[Lazie]

I don't know... you guys did a stellar job of monopolizing Trak kills for so long, are there enough active non-Class C players who have keys and haven't been burnt out by Class C guilds trying to decide who is and who isn't "worthy" enough for pixels on this server?

"You guys" ?

Funny how you drones seem to keep spewing that mantra. No one ever said folks weren't "worthy". This is your mindset towards Class C not ours. I've always looked for changes that would help the server as a whole that YES requires at least some effort. I am however not Chest...Claim to have certain standards and integrity and then immediately abandon them at the chance of loot.

"Class R is a playstyle"

"TMO and IB are suspended"

"LET'S GO CLASS C!!!"

[portbitch69]

im keeping my popcorn for when tmo/ib are unsuspended and get to play with bda in class c

[Lazie]

You're right, it's not directly about loot. It's about you arbitrarily deeming that others on the server have to "earn" their loot in a certain fashion that you define. Otherwise VP would be on the table for rotation in Class R, right?

That's what I thought.

Everquest was always a game about time and effort. Sorry that people expect that from a classic server and that it upsets you.

[Lazie]

im keeping my popcorn for when tmo/ib are unsuspended and get to play with bda in class c

They won't do anything for 30 days and go back to R.

[Ravager]

"You guys" ?

Funny how you drones seem to keep spewing that mantra. No one ever said folks weren't "worthy". This is your mindset towards Class C not ours. I've always looked for changes that would help the server as a whole that YES requires at least some effort. I am however not Chest...Claim to have certain standards and integrity and then immediately abandon them at the chance of loot.

"Class R is a playstyle"

"TMO and IB are suspended"

"LET'S GO CLASS C!!!"

How is this contrary to our playstyle? We're not poopsocking shit. We're not playing fraps/petition quest. We're not forcing people to camp out at targets. Virtually nothing about our playstyle is changing, we're just going for some content that was blocked to us while we have an opportunity to do so, on our own terms.

[Fael]

You're right, it's not directly about loot. It's about you arbitrarily deeming that others on the server have to "earn" their loot in a certain fashion that you define. Otherwise VP would be on the table for rotation in Class R, right?

That's what I thought.

I'd say it has more to do with the unevenness at which csr involves itself in the raid scene. Months go by with no involvement; some things get responded to; other things are ignored completely (IB training up silverwing for 6 minutes as they kill pd then pulling him down without ever dropping the kite); and then at random points they show up and throw a hissy fit about a minor 20 second reverse pathing of druushk that only happened because IB dropped hoshkar in the path of our train up.

Granted I think Sirken was absolutely right to get upset at both TMO and Ib engagement methods with naggy and Vox. While I think training all the Giants down to entrance and fighting them there with max lvl toons and then running up a small group to engage naggy is a pretty awesome to pull of successfully, it is very reckless to others.

My feelings are known about the trak whipe = per se train rule.


Dolic

[Lazie]

How is this contrary to our playstyle? We're not poopsocking shit. We're not playing fraps/petition quest. We're not forcing people to camp out at targets. Virtually nothing about our playstyle is changing, we're just going for some content that was blocked to us while we have an opportunity to do so, on our own terms.

BDA Message of the Day: Camp out all VP keyed players at VP. Make a corpse and get buffed.


You were saying ?

[YendorLootmonkey]

Everquest was always a game about time and effort. Sorry that people expect that from a classic server and that it upsets you.

You and I both know Live was not this top-heavy in Kunark.

[Kingore]

LOL... wanna donate some Trak Teeth to the cause? Otherwise dream on.

If you will take the leap I have about 12 I can provide.

[Lazie]

You and I both know Live was not this top-heavy in Kunark.

I can agree with that. Still you are putting all of us in the same category. Look in the raid forums. We have tried to make good changes. Some of us still are. It's just turning back to petition and frapsquest after we hoped it would change.

[Ravager]

BDA Message of the Day: Camp out all VP keyed players at VP. Make a corpse and get buffed.


You were saying ?

Nobody's getting /gkicked if they don't.

[Lazie]

Nobody's getting /gkicked if they don't.

They aren't in our guild either. I took about a 2 month break.

[Ravager]

They aren't in our guild either. I took about a 2 month break.

My point still stands. We're doing it on our own terms, not TMO/IB's.

[Lazie]

My point still stands. We're doing it on our own terms, not TMO/IB's.

No. You are doing it on the GM's terms.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I can agree with that. Still you are putting all of us in the same category. Look in the raid forums. We have tried to make good changes. Some of us still are. It's just turning back to petition and frapsquest after we hoped it would change.

Lazie, I apologize for lumping everyone in the same category. I know not everyone in the hardcore guilds have the audacity and gall to try to dictate to the rest of the server how pixels should be "earned", and what "competition" means on this server.

I am primarily addressing those types when I talk about "Class C".

[Ravager]

No. You are doing it on the GM's terms.

That makes 0 sense.

[Lazie]

Lazie, I apologize for lumping everyone in the same category. I know not everyone in the hardcore guilds have the audacity and gall to try to dictate to the rest of the server how pixels should be "earned", and what "competition" means on this server.

I am primarily addressing those types when I talk about "Class C".

/shrug

There was a reason folks moved to WoW. EQ was not for everyone. Before variance it was a game that really had different classes. You as a player and your guild could move up and down by the effort and time you put into the game. There are ways to make it more accessible on this server. The way it is headed right now isn't the way. It's turning casuals and hardcores alike off to this server at the moment.

[Lazie]

That makes 0 sense.

Uhm yes it does. The GM's suspended 2 guilds and gave BDA a chance to go Class C or be suspended. Their terms.

[Ravager]

Uhm yes it does. The GM's suspended 2 guilds and gave BDA a chance to go Class C or be suspended. Their terms.

But BDA wouldn't go in otherwise. BDA's terms.

[Lazie]

But BDA wouldn't go in otherwise. BDA's terms.

Tell yourself whatever you need to believe!

[Detoxx]

You act like we're the ones who got you suspended. We're merely benefiting from your guild's dumb choices.

As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure you guys either had to go class c or get suspended. What a terrible ultimatum, tell me... how hard was that choice? Awfully convenient timing.

[Anichek]

They are just mad cause they lost their precious pixels for 2 weeks and they will not be able to keep their members motivated with some promise loots.

I feel also sad about being app in TMO, they probably realized how this guild is full of worse/ QQ players.

At least Knix & Portsche will have free times for recruit in COM/MM or EC !

I, for one, look forward to the next two weeks in hope that Portsche steps the BotB Ass game back to it's rightful glory.

[Ravager]

Nobody will notice I'm wrong if I get the last word.

[Detoxx]

Nobody notices me at all so I portray myself as a forum tough guy while white knighting chest and his cronies

[Llodd]

I'd say it has more to do with the unevenness at which csr involves itself in the raid scene. Months go by with no involvement; some things get responded to; other things are ignored completely (IB training up silverwing for 6 minutes as they kill pd then pulling him down without ever dropping the kite); and then at random points they show up and throw a hissy fit about a minor 20 second reverse pathing of druushk that only happened because IB dropped hoshkar in the path of our train up.

Granted I think Sirken was absolutely right to get upset at both TMO and Ib engagement methods with naggy and Vox. While I think training all the Giants down to entrance and fighting them there with max lvl toons and then running up a small group to engage naggy is a pretty awesome to pull of successfully, it is very reckless to others.

My feelings are known about the trak whipe = per se train rule.


Dolic

I don't know how you can be suprised at this. The GM's do this voluntarily; you have to expect that a certain amount of shenanigans is going to be missed irregardless of your desire to see each and every event being faily ruled upon. They simply aren't the neckbeard GM's so many of you cleary would like.

Honestly, the only way you will ever get the GM's you want is to pay them to do the job so they can do it fulltime. Which in itself is a reflection of how class C treats the server.

[Troubled]

This isn't how I wanted to enter VP personally but we will soak it up while we can and I'm perplexed by the people hating on us for getting to experience content that most of us haven't in a long time, if at all.

Of course we took the class C route as opposed to a suspension. Can you blame us? We didn't pick the time it happened, either, ya know.

Also, thanks to the people from all guilds who have wished us a good run.

I'd like to try these class C footraces myself but I know that would stall the guild in class C longer and I don't think that's in line with BDA's current interest.

[TMO so immersed]

Detoxx and Lazie not allowed to raid this weekend. Blow up the forums instead. Will it take an act of god to get you guys off the computer?

[Shinko]

This isn't how I wanted to enter VP personally but we will soak it up while we can and I'm perplexed by the people hating on us for getting to experience content that most of us haven't in a long time, if at all.

Of course we took the class C route as opposed to a suspension. Can you blame us? We didn't pick the time it happened, either, ya know.

Also, thanks to the people from all guilds who have wished us a good run.

I'd like to try these class C footraces myself but I know that would stall the guild in class C longer and I don't think that's in line with BDA's current interest.

u cant use bard speed

#bad

[Absolution]

Detoxx and Lazie not allowed to raid this weekend. Blow up the forums instead. Will it take an act of god to get you guys off the computer?

[Detoxx]

This isn't how I wanted to enter VP personally but we will soak it up while we can and I'm perplexed by the people hating on us for getting to experience content that most of us haven't in a long time, if at all.

Of course we took the class C route as opposed to a suspension. Can you blame us? We didn't pick the time it happened, either, ya know.

Also, thanks to the people from all guilds who have wished us a good run.

I'd like to try these class C footraces myself but I know that would stall the guild in class C longer and I don't think that's in line with BDA's current interest.

The only way you'll get stuck in c longer is if you win the footrace and kill the mob. Not saying you wouldn't or can't, just that you could try if you so desired.

[Troubled]

u cant use bard speed

#bad

I was talking about outside vp C mobs.

[YendorLootmonkey]

As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure you guys either had to go class c or get suspended. What a terrible ultimatum, tell me... how hard was that choice? Awfully convenient timing.

Best 46-second mistaking in timing we ever made. Again, not our fault your guild's dumb choices got you raid suspended around the same time.

See, if you had made smart choices not to treat the server raid scene like your personal toilet, TMO would have VP uncontested right now, and BDA would have probably chosen to eat the suspension rather than go Class C, right?

[Detoxx]

Detoxx and Lazie not allowed to raid this weekend. Blow up the forums instead. Will it take an act of god to get you guys off the computer?

Just passing some time at work, on my phone. I do appreciate your concern though.

[Detoxx]

Best 46-second mistaking in timing we ever made. Again, not our fault your guild's dumb choices got you raid suspended around the same time.

See, if you had made smart choices not to treat the server raid scene like your personal toilet, TMO would have VP uncontested right now, and BDA would have probably chosen to eat the suspension rather than go Class C, right?
I disagree. IB throws an inordinate amount of shit at the walls until something sticks. We, on the other hand, we're foolish enough to believe that the GMs actually meant what they said about petitioning everything before trying to work it out amongst ourselves and we just didn't have enough shit stockpiled from 3 months ago to counter.

So that being said, i believe you're wrong and we wouldnt of had any competition free VP mobs to kill.

[Ravager]

I'm a forum tough guy!

[YendorLootmonkey]

We, on the other hand, we're foolish enough to believe that the GMs actually meant what they said about petitioning everything before trying to work it out amongst ourselves and we just didn't have enough shit stockpiled from 3 months ago to counter.

Qualifies as a dumb choice! :)

[Phantasm]

Everyone still pretending any of this matters...

[Clark]

May the player with the best relationship with the GM's win!! We need these issues to be public.

GMs shouldn't even be doing twitches, and acting like a radio personality. Not if that is the bulk of what they do. Nothing wrong with wanting to do that stuff; but you should hand the project over to someone who is more neutral if those are the things that truly keep you interested. Makes the quality of things in other places mediocre with all due respect. GMs on live never made stuff all about their own stardom. It doesn't happen in other MMO's either.

[Komodon]

Qualifies as a dumb choice! :)

Indeed.

As the person most responsible for buying into that bs and then trying to spearhead the effort...to this day i still can't apologize enough to my guildmates over it. I definitely walked out of that a big loser while fucking us over pretty hard in the process.

Shame on me :(

[Clark]

Yendor you're being ridiculous.

Don't make me call your mom, and tell her things are getting out of hand.

[bigsykedaddy]

Detoxx over-mad LOL. If your guild was clean, nothing would happened. You deserve your punishment. Go QQ away

That's not true, we got fucked GG

[Absolution]

That's not true, we got fucked GG

From you it is hilarious ! It was not you who wanted to join IB but remained in TMO cause TMO's officiers promised you Crown of Rile ? LOL...

[kotton05]

anon forum troll 9000 talking like he's relevant

[Tierael]

BDA Message of the Day: Camp out all VP keyed players at VP. Make a corpse and get buffed.


You were saying ?

You know, this game isn't just about loot. Some of us have literally NEVER BEEN TO VP and would like to experience the zone and the fights. I could give TWO FLYING FUCKS about the loot we may or may not see.

TMO goes "grats on free loot, well fought, hard-earned". Well, faggots, if we manage to kill the dragons protecting that loot, then yes, it is well-fought and hard-earned. Sorry that you consider yourself part of the boss fight, but you are NOT.

[Oleris]

Are you guys going to the back of the rotation after a month? I'm still confused on why other class R guilds don't do this if nothing is in window for over a month.

[bigsykedaddy]

From you it is hilarious ! It was not you who wanted to join IB but remained in TMO cause TMO's officiers promised you Crown of Rile ? LOL...

Lol no, no one promised me anything. I was gonna join IB because I like how their leaders operate. I decided not to because I felt bad for leaving my friends.

[Man0warr]

Are you guys going to the back of the rotation after a month? I'm still confused on why other class R guilds don't do this if nothing is in window for over a month.

BDA has keys from pre-Class R days, most other class R guilds don't have enough to do anything in VP.

[doyoueventrainbro]

Lol no, no one promised me anything. I was gonna join IB because I like how their leaders operate. I decided not to because I felt bad for leaving my friends.

Its not cool to lie! God knows brella and lazie do enough of that on these boards.

Not only is this true, but they also made him an officer if he agreed to stay. Then while accepting this officer position, he continues to discuss ditching his friends and guildmates for the infamous "<Legacy>.

Please try and tell these boards and your guild mates that this is a lie. I think I can dig up some great screenshots.....

And TMO wonder why they are in this posistion when they have leadership like Umbrella and gunnter acting like shiesty bastards. Maybe one day TMO will realize that the people in charge are the ones causing these numerous suspensions and forfeitures.

Something something reap what you something

[Frieza_Prexus]

I think I can dig up some great screenshots....

So many people threaten to post the evidence, yet so few deliver.

[Snizatcher]

If it was all about the loot we would care more about playing our mains. 1/4 of the VP raids will be played by fill ins because people care more about experiencing the content than the loot involved. Your alts will be alright for 2 weeks we promise.

[Detoxx]

Its not cool to lie! God knows brella and lazie do enough of that on these boards.

Not only is this true, but they also made him an officer if he agreed to stay. Then while accepting this officer position, he continues to discuss ditching his friends and guildmates for the infamous "<Legacy>.

Please try and tell these boards and your guild mates that this is a lie. I think I can dig up some great screenshots.....

And TMO wonder why they are in this posistion when they have leadership like Umbrella and gunnter acting like shiesty bastards. Maybe one day TMO will realize that the people in charge are the ones causing these numerous suspensions and forfeitures.

Something something reap what you something

Why don't you man up and use your real name? How's that freedom of speech over in IB? You guys were losing and if it continued the only thing holding your shit ass tyrant guild together, loot, was starting to slow down. Once that happens, your guild leaders will RMT off the server (again) and the non-friendships will crumble.

[Phantasm]

Really though, in the end, does any of the name calling, degradation, and flaming change anything ? Whatever happened to being the bigger person. Arguing with an anonymous troll account just seems pretty stupid to me

[Detoxx]

Really though, in the end, does any of the name calling, degradation, and flaming change anything ? Whatever happened to being the bigger person. Arguing with an anonymous troll account just seems pretty stupid to me

You're right, it doesn't mean a thing, which leads me to two points: what is RnF without any of that and; why are you here?

[Sckrilla]

So many people threaten to post the evidence, yet so few deliver.
^^

[Tasslehofp99]

As I posted like 10 pages ago, the truth isn't what matters here guys. Just stop wasting your time trying to convince these people that this entire suspension was a stitch up. Trying to spread the facts and truth of the matter is only wasting your own time, none of these retards are going to believe anything you say.

[Troubled]

As I posted like 10 pages ago, the truth isn't what matters here guys. Just stop wasting your time trying to convince these people that this entire suspension was a stitch up. Trying to spread the facts and truth of the matter is only wasting your own time, none of these retards are going to believe anything you say.

ya rite

[Tasslehofp99]

Let's not even mention the fact that p99 is extremely unclassic these days in any of these posts either :)

[slydexx]

This could be fun to watch, pre grats on kills!

[TMO so immersed]

That's not true, we got fucked GG

TMO has lots of dirty whistles... And I know for a fact, Including you.

[yaaaflow]

You've really gotta hand it to IB for their no RnF policy - it leaves threads like this to devolve into TMO vs BDA arguments while IB seems to be the mature group staying above the fray. Obviously I know that's not really the case, but just by not taking part they come out looking much better than the petty bickering and trolling being done by tmo and pals.

[Raev]

You've really gotta hand it to IB for their no RnF policy

Mostly the IB players just make anon troll accounts, but not having hte IB tag dragged through RNF definitely makes them look a bit classier.

TMO absorbed FE, so now their RNF opposition - guys like Tasslehoff who spent years whining about TMO - so they just circle jerk now mostly.

Also Detoxx, I saw some Phats material about Unbrella preparing to ditch you. No idea if its true or not . . but Unbrella kind of hinted that it was. I have also heard about the whole Gunnter/Crown of Rile thing from people in IB. I get that it sucks to be forcefully entered, but maybe you need to accept that some of your leadership is not who you think they are.

[jcr4990]

Gotta say as an innocent bystander it's hilarious watching TMO people try to spin shit and act like they did nothing wrong. Bro I'm pretty sure Sirken was literally watching everything that happened that night. There was no crazy fraps angle that favored one guild over another. Sirken said he watched it happen himself.

Spin harder dudes. You're definitely convincing many people of your innocence and blatantly obvious staff corruption. They're just out to get ya!

/s

[Oleris]

Hosh down by BDA

[kotton05]

Hosh down by BDA

Grats:) pras BDA

[Merekai]

How about instead of all of you circle-jerking each other off in this thread, everyone who is suspended go log into the beta server and help test things that need to be tested. Maybe help get things done quicker eh?

Chev

[Pullyn]

3rd times a charm.

[Tasslehofp99]

How about instead of all of you circle-jerking each other off in this thread, everyone who is suspended go log into the beta server and help test things that need to be tested. Maybe help get things done quicker eh?

Chev

IB and TMO members have done plenty of beta testing, why should we be more inclined to do so now? I for one am enjoying this little vacation from raiding even if I feel it isn't right.


Ps grats bda on hoshkar, hope u guys decide to stay in class C when its all said and done. I'm sure class R could use one less guild on rotation.

[Kekephee]

Xygoz down

[Tasslehofp99]

After hoshkar the rest of them should be a cakewalk. Nexona is still a dirty hooker though.

Grats again on the kills hope you guys got good luck on drops.

[Man0warr]

VP was fun, but it probably wouldn't be much fun if other guilds were training us or having tons of pressure.

Calm and relaxing, drunk VP is the best.

[Pullyn]

VP was fun, but it probably wouldn't be much fun if other guilds were training us or having tons of pressure.

Calm and relaxing, drunk VP is the best.

Yeah, was alot of fun taking our time and drinking all the beers. Fuck yeah, staff of null.

[Pokesan]

Any plans to allow VP keyed class R members to take a shot at those free dragons, BDA?

[Pullyn]

Any plans to allow VP keyed class R members to take a shot at those free dragons, BDA?

Dont see why that wouldnt be out of the realm of possibility but the whole class C/R thing might put a damper on that.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Any plans to allow VP keyed class R members to take a shot at those free dragons, BDA?

Wouldn't that turn a guild Class C as well?

[Jaxon]

Well if TMO characters can drop their tags and join Asgard to kill a Class R Trakanon I don't see why it should be an issue for characters in Class R guilds to join BDA for some VP fun.

[Nlaar]

Well if TMO characters can drop their tags and join Asgard to kill a Class R Trakanon I don't see why it should be an issue for characters in Class R guilds to join BDA for some VP fun.

Heyoooooo

[Pokesan]

Really nothing stopping BDA from temporarily opening their borders to class R keyhavers to experiece VP dragons

It's not about pixels, right?

[Dizey]

It was a lot of fun tonight. Thanks to all of you in both class C and R that were cheering us on. The Hoshkar kill was a pretty awesome moment for us.

[Susano]

Grats on your well earned kills BDA.

While you guys with lives were raiding all friday evening, I was out having fun the Class C way:

http://i.imgur.com/fNwvpTz.jpg

[Susano]

*Saturday evening lol

[arsenalpow]

Fatty drank enough for the entire raid, I think we did fine.

[bigsykedaddy]

TMO has lots of dirty whistles... And I know for a fact, Including you.

What did I do?

[Pokesan]

From earlier in the thread.

We have...

1 Cleric (inactive)
2 Enchanters
3 Druids
1 Mage
2 Rangers (1 inactive)
2 Warriors
1 Rogue
2 Monks (1 inactive)
1 Necro
1 Shaman
1 Wizard

Keyed for VP. No, we have 0 intent on going into VP by ourselves. Nor do we have any plans in the future so long as FFA Trakanon is the way it is with a 4-mage CotH race + 2 full group poopsock at entrance.

If a conglomerate of Class R guilds were allowed to band together and kill VP mobs without pushing their respective Class R guilds to C... we would probably figure something out to try it out.

I think this is just his guild, but it's quite a litany of Class R players able to experience VP. Has there been any discussion in the R community to include these players in the free week of VP dragons?

Will BDA welcome these players into their VP raids?

[Anichek]

Really nothing stopping BDA from temporarily opening their borders to class R keyhavers to experiece VP dragons

It's not about pixels, right?

It's not about pixels, but it's just as subversive as doing it the other way around and dropping tags/alts from C into R...or ex-patriot BDA who are in IB and TMO coming back out of the woodwork and re-tagging for this week or two.

It's frowned upon (to say the least) by server staff, why would we support/enable it?


<Insert troll statements about already being in BDA an alt here>

[bigsykedaddy]

Mostly the IB players just make anon troll accounts, but not having hte IB tag dragged through RNF definitely makes them look a bit classier.

TMO absorbed FE, so now their RNF opposition - guys like Tasslehoff who spent years whining about TMO - so they just circle jerk now mostly.

Also Detoxx, I saw some Phats material about Unbrella preparing to ditch you. No idea if its true or not . . but Unbrella kind of hinted that it was. I have also heard about the whole Gunnter/Crown of Rile thing from people in IB. I get that it sucks to be forcefully entered, but maybe you need to accept that some of your leadership is not who you think they are.

There was no Gunnter Crown of Rile thing. I was up next until I switched mains. I stayed in TMO and changed mains after deciding to stay, so I was not up next for a crown anymore. I think people in IB thought I was staying to get a crown but they didn't know I changed mains so I was outa the running. Me myself I don't hate anyone I just like playing the game and killing dragons. Only person I don't care for is Chest.

[Pokesan]

It's not about pixels, but it's just as subversive as doing it the other way around and dropping tags/alts from C into R...or ex-patriot BDA who are in IB and TMO coming back out of the woodwork and re-tagging for this week or two.

It's frowned upon (to say the least) by server staff, why would we support/enable it?


<Insert troll statements about already being in BDA an alt here>

What's subsersive about letting your class R comrades experience Veeshan's Peak?

Kinda sounds like you don't want to share.

[Kekephee]

What's subsersive about letting your class R comrades experience Veeshan's Peak?

Kinda sounds like you don't want to share.

We get it, you think you're a clever argumentsmith so you're dropping this incredible reductio ad absurdem bomb on us to make us look like the bad guys, jesus christ you've said it four times in the last fucking hour

[Kekephee]

Grats on your well earned kills BDA.

While you guys with lives were raiding all friday evening, I was out having fun the Class C way:

http://i.imgur.com/fNwvpTz.jpg


You went to a bar where they dress the servers up in halloween costumes and took a picture of your server while she was telling one of your friends about the drink menu?

[Kekephee]

Check out that baller on the right side of the picture, he's not awkwardly leering at all, this chick totally gangbanged all these dudes after she got off her shift you can tell

[Jfertal]

Fatty drank enough for the entire raid, I think we did fine.

And we still handled shit, not going to lie drunk fucks can still pull dragons while jaming to sweet tunes.

dies in hosh lair trying to type to durbael? to this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB8F8g1-4Uw

i mean no joke i was whitlring this shit as i was kiting pulling, and thejn fucking stupid ass kicked me outa vent while i was trying to pump the raid to this song I was trying to get people pumped. truth me told after I played this shit we slayed hoshkar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnqZl_blT7E

pretty sure you guys can all suck a boner, but this is what happend tonight with us.

Obvioulsy the guild voted me to be defaulted all loot. fuck it boys check this shit out

look at the light as i slam this god dman beer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fnUygPrzjU

[Jfertal]

Im stil prettu swelled up!

[Pokesan]

We get it, you think you're a clever argumentsmith so you're dropping this incredible reductio ad absurdem bomb on us to make us look like the bad guys, jesus christ you've said it four times in the last fucking hour

You're definitely not the bad guys but you're also not living up to your reputation.

Would you like to present a rebuttal or just complain about being teased?

[Jfertal]

You're definitely not the bad guys but you're also not living up to your reputation.

Would you like to present a rebuttal or just complain about being teased?

pretty sure i just revbuttled anything you ever questioned, no big deal

[Ravager]

You're definitely not the bad guys but you're also not living up to your reputation.

Would you like to present a rebuttal or just complain about being teased?

BDA is new Class C Overlord. Fuck class R, they gotta earn their VP loot. That's what you're going for?

[Kekephee]

You're definitely not the bad guys but you're also not living up to your reputation.

Would you like to present a rebuttal or just complain about being teased?

Sure.


Your argument, at its essence, is this: BDA pushed for a rotation on the server, claiming that the monopolization of content by one guilds that represented a small minority of the server (important distinction: "monopolization" in this context referring not only to, in a sense, "grabbing" all of the content, but the active, cutthroat, and unrelenting pursuit of actually blocking everyone else from it at all times). For this reason, anytime BDA experiences new content, you argue, it is an act of hypocrisy that we do not go out of our way to bring everyone else on the server with us into VP. Because that's what the rotation was, was our way of bringing everyone on the server with us to the end-game content, right?

Here's as brief an explanation as I can give as to why this argument is invalid, unsound, and just ridiculous.

It's not the same thing. The rotation enables any individual guild that is capable, by its own merits, the opportunity to raid end-game content. We're not carrying guilds that can't do end-game content through it with the rotation. As a matter of fact, if you paid any attention at all over the last, eh, six months or so, that's been a huge point of contention in the raid scene- guilds have gotten in trouble for helping each other with content that either guild by itself could not handle. There are strict rules in place preventing one guild from just carrying another through content the former can't take. But you already know that, don't you, after your guild's attempts to team up with small class R guilds that were mad at us for not carrying them enough were repeatedly kaiboshed by the GMs for being clear-cut instances of Class C alts pretending to be Class R mains just to slow the rotation down and piss all over the rest of the server that was cooperating with each other. What was the name of that guild, I can't even remember it, they made a huge post on their website about how Chest was secretly conspiring to keep them out of the class R rotation because their turn for Vox came up and they weren't good enough or something? Anyway, hey, that happened. So, fundamentally, the basis of your argument is bullshit because the rotation isn't about carrying people who can't do content through that content, it's about anyone who is capable of doing the content getting a chance to. The very post you quoted is about exactly that- why Taken, considered our rivals/competition/enemies/whatever you want to call it in the Class R rotation, the "other" big raiding class R guild, is not themselves trying to get in on this. The very quote you gave is an argument against your REALLY CLEVER TRAP.


So here you are, trying to turn this situation into ammo to use against us- you want the other class R guilds to go, "hey, he's right! BDA really are a bunch of scumbags! They're just as bad as TMO! They blew all this hot air up our asses about the inclusiveness of the rotation, but here they are excluding us!" But that's bullshit. They're not idiots. They're not going to buy into this empty fucking rhetoric. They know we're not in VP because we're being "rewarded" or that we're being "given" VP- we're in VP because there is a rule that says, if you kill a class C mob, you go into class C, and we accidentally killed a class C mob because we didn't know we needed to wait 30 more seconds to engage it or else it would still be class C. The fact that TMO and IB are suspended right now is absolutely separate from our own situation and has nothing to do with us. Coincidences do happen, sorry, and you're better off trying to play this off as some wild conspiracy than you are going with this "BDA are hypocrites" line of bullshit that you're trying to bury us under.

[Pokesan]

Right, so BDA "deserves" the content while the rest of class R does not. Gotcha.

http://i.imgur.com/VkJLbwk.gif

[Kekephee]

You can do better than that

[Kekephee]

Actually no you probably can't, and I really don't want to see you try because it's very depressing to me to imagine you sitting in the dark with your tongue sticking out of your mouth hard at work to formulate these amazing little brain games you play

[Pokesan]

You've done an excellent job of arguing with a drunk person Kekephee and I salute you.

I just want you to be the hero that class R deserves.

Please do not disappoint me.

[Gurbuuk]

Thanks GML, now some TMO are camping my spots in Lguk !

[TMO so immersed]

What did I do?

I dare you to ask me to "prove it"

[Detoxx]

They know we're not in VP because we're being "rewarded" or that we're being "given" VP- we're in VP because there is a rule that says, if you kill a class C mob, you go into class C, and we accidentally killed a class C mob because we didn't know we needed to wait 30 more seconds to engage it or else it would still be class C.

Actually, you're in VP because...

It is not against the rules for a Class R guild to engage a Class C mob for automatic advancement, however the death time fell after the 6 hour limit and did not trigger this. This is a manipulation of the raid system.

Just thought I'd point out that you were rewarded for breaking the rules and manipulating the system, as other guilds were suspended. Im not sayin, im just sayin.

[TMO so immersed]

It's not the same thing. The rotation enables any individual guild that is capable, by its own merits, the opportunity to raid end-game content. We're not carrying guilds that can't do end-game content through it with the rotation. As a matter of fact, if you paid any attention at all over the last, eh, six months or so, that's been a huge point of contention in the raid scene- guilds have gotten in trouble for helping each other with content that either guild by itself could not handle. There are strict rules in place preventing one guild from just carrying another through content the former can't take. But you already know that, don't you, after your guild's attempts to team up with small class R guilds that were mad at us for not carrying them enough were repeatedly kaiboshed by the GMs for being clear-cut instances of Class C alts pretending to be Class R mains just to slow the rotation down and piss all over the rest of the server that was cooperating with each other. What was the name of that guild, I can't even remember it, they made a huge post on their website about how Chest was secretly conspiring to keep them out of the class R rotation because their turn for Vox came up and they weren't good enough or something? Anyway, hey, that happened. So, fundamentally, the basis of your argument is bullshit because the rotation isn't about carrying people who can't do content through that content, it's about anyone who is capable of doing the content getting a chance to. The very post you quoted is about exactly that- why Taken, considered our rivals/competition/enemies/whatever you want to call it in the Class R rotation, the "other" big raiding class R guild, is not themselves trying to get in on this. The very quote you gave is an argument against your REALLY CLEVER TRAP.


and yet, there's guilds that side step the lock outs to kill raid mobs by forming "alliances" (complete with a secret Class R forum) with other guilds that won't be affected by the 2 spawn lock-out a regular basis, I'm looking at you AG/A-team/Omni/Indignation.

[Phatso]

quick replay

susano - biggest fag in this thread, who eats at tilted kilt and brags about it, ur waitress didnt even have big tits.

detoxx and tmo fan boys - ur sad mother fuckers, almost as sad as chest

chest - hey, u didnt bitch about getting class c, u were half a minute off (gms are fucking losers, fuck ur stopwatch) u sucked it up, thanks for not being a bitch for once

[Tasslehofp99]

I dare you to ask me to "prove it"

I'm intrigued, prove it pls.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Had you told me a year ago that bda would cry their way to vp loot (barring those 1 or 2 years ago, Gratz Zyryn on that yunnb's) I'd have called you fucking retarded. Server is just wtf right now. I'm with sussy on this one. Time to get white girl wasted because right now I can't even.

[Susano]

susano - biggest fag in this thread



Finally, the attention I've always craved!

[sulpher01]

So if I'm reading right the tmo trolls in here are suggesting that bda knew of the impending class c suspensions and waited until the end of a class c mob window in order to knowingly enter class c for free loots? And the point of waiting until 46 seconds before switch was to try and play it off like they didn't mean to?

Basically they are hinting at GM collusion with bda?

[khanable]

So if I'm reading right the tmo trolls in here are suggesting that bda knew of the impending class c suspensions and waited until the end of a class c mob window in order to knowingly enter class c for free loots? And the point of waiting until 46 seconds before switch was to try and play it off like they didn't mean to?

Basically they are hinting at GM collusion with bda?

If you switch the guild names around that sounds exactly like something Metallikus would say

haha

[YendorLootmonkey]

Just thought I'd point out that you were rewarded for breaking the rules and manipulating the system, as other guilds were suspended. Im not sayin, im just sayin.

To re-iterate, we had nothing to do with the Class C guilds getting themselves suspended, leaving VP wide open for us. Had you not made dumb choices, we probably would have eaten the suspension because there was no benefit to go Class C. However, you guys made the decision super easy, didn't you?

And lets not forget the white elephant in the room... here's the actual raid policy:

"Exception: Any mob that has been alive longer than 6 hours will be considered FFA, and will not be restricted to Class or Lockouts."

Was Talendor alive longer than 6 hours before it died? Yes.

So tell me how we were supposed to know, given that sentence, that the *actual* intent of the rule was "You cannot ENGAGE a mob as a FFA mob until it has been alive for 6 hours"? Which is why Rogean has stated "In the future the raid system will be updated to consider engagement time on checks and placements."

I can't speak for my guild, but I imagine we're pretty tired of being dragged through the mud for blazing the trail on discovering the hard way what the rules were REALLY supposed to say.

[zanderklocke]

Everyone cares too much about EverQuest.

[Fael]

Haven't read the thread lately but Bda got screwed just as bad as TMO with the ruling, where they relied on the plain language of the 6 hour wait rule.

Fortunate for them the timing worked out eerily well.

dolic

[Pint]

Everyone cares too much about EverQuest.

Most ppl have a heart and a conscience, I just have a void that I fill with pixels.

[Tasslehofp99]

Most ppl have a heart and a conscience, I just have a void that I fill with pixels.

haha your god hole

[Exmo]

If you switch the guild names around that sounds exactly like something Metallikus would say

haha

/Thread

Cucumbers wins again, Shut it down.

[Not Salem]

IB trained themselves with Hoshkar and Druushk awhile back and presented a fraps to the GM of them doing it to themselves. The GM's suspended us. IB actually drops a Dragon in the path of our pull and causes the train up guy to get low health aggro on Druushk causing him to turn around (Basically the same thing we got suspended for). We get told we were kiting Druushk AFTER they kited Hoshkar for 6+ minutes.


wew we get these calls all the time from GM's on RED99 I'm just glad they go MIA for months at a time and leave us to ourselves. FEEL BAD for ya guys

[hextasy]

this makes my head hurt. pixels.

[Kekephee]

If you switch the guild names around that sounds exactly like something Metallikus would say

haha


Cucus you son of a bitch I love you so much

[Velerin]

Best part is everytime there's a big raid suspension, change in play nice raid rules, RNF blows up and total server population increases.

[Nirgon]

How many BDA are actually VP keyed vs those that want loots from it

[HeallunRumblebelly]

How many BDA are actually VP keyed vs those that want loots from it

They killed hosh. They'll be fine. With time to get everyone in / schedule a raid and fully prepare, guarantee a clean pull VP really isn't that bad altogether.

[BigLe2e]

I think my beard grew an inch and I gained 20 pounds after just reading the first couple pages. Last time I saw someone whine this hard over a video game was on xbox live and there were a couple 8 year olds on their brothers account.

[Arteker]

GMs shouldn't even be doing twitches, and acting like a radio personality. Not if that is the bulk of what they do. Nothing wrong with wanting to do that stuff; but you should hand the project over to someone who is more neutral if those are the things that truly keep you interested. Makes the quality of things in other places mediocre with all due respect. GMs on live never made stuff all about their own stardom. It doesn't happen in other MMO's either.

Brenloo did and he got kicked

[JayN]

Staff are upset their shipment of RMT'ed Dope didnt show on time

[Moodie]

We have...

1 Cleric (inactive)
2 Enchanters
3 Druids
1 Mage
2 Rangers (1 inactive)
2 Warriors
1 Rogue
2 Monks (1 inactive)
1 Necro
1 Shaman
1 Wizard


You forgot a certain VP keyed bard :(

[Hailto]

Do you guys ever read through threads like this and realize how fucking retarded this server is? People talking about who kited what mob for how many seconds and what pathing the mob took etc. I wish red wasn't full of retards, has to be better than this extreme rule lawyering crap. I can't think of another game that has rampant retardation involved to this level, if anyone can think of one let me know.

[Troubled]

Do you guys ever read through threads like this and realize how fucking retarded this server is? People talking about who kited what mob for how many seconds and what pathing the mob took etc. I wish red wasn't full of retards, has to be better than this extreme rule lawyering crap. I can't think of another game that has rampant retardation involved to this level, if anyone can think of one let me know.

This shit's hilarious dude. What are you talking about?

[Hailto]

I dunno man, you can only take so much of it before it stop being funny and starts being pathetic.

[Prismaticshop]

BDA famous for 1 week in 4 years of kunark, in 10 days suspensions end, BDA will pussy out back to R and we will carry on making fun of them lol.

[Troubled]

BDA famous for 1 week in 4 years of kunark, in 10 days suspensions end, BDA will pussy out back to R and we will carry on making fun of them lol.

csb