Your comprehensive Chardok AoE guide

[Troubled]

[Wed Nov 26 19:17:30 2014] Sirken says, 'if anything the AE group is trolling the entire zone'
[Wed Nov 26 19:17:35 2014] Henrique says, 'hunt in chardok? check their logs. when was the last time they did it.'
[Wed Nov 26 19:17:46 2014] Sirken says, 'had he been respectful to my staff, he would have had a much better time'
[Wed Nov 26 19:17:49 2014] Henrique says, 'Agree Sirken. then have a GM meeting and close AE'ing.'
[Wed Nov 26 19:17:56 2014] Sirken says, 'cant Hen'
[Wed Nov 26 19:18:01 2014] Sirken says, 'nilbog says clasic'
[Wed Nov 26 19:18:06 2014] Henrique says, 'afaik, AE'ing is classic'
[Wed Nov 26 19:18:12 2014] Henrique says, 'i used to AE in sebilis'
[Wed Nov 26 19:18:16 2014] Misek says, 'all we were looking for is that one guild shouldnt get the whole zone at the lose of everyone else. if thats trolling idk'
[Wed Nov 26 19:18:33 2014] Sirken says, 'Misek., its been that way since forever'
[Wed Nov 26 19:18:40 2014] Henrique says, 'Misek i know u want the IB vs TMo shit, but thats not the case dude.'
[Wed Nov 26 19:18:50 2014] Misek says, 'im not saying it is'
[Wed Nov 26 19:18:53 2014] Henrique says, 'yeah u are'
[Wed Nov 26 19:18:57 2014] Sirken says, 'also, again, hes not in trouble for camping on the bridge'
[Wed Nov 26 19:19:00 2014] Misek says, 'im new to TMO it has noting to do with that'
[Wed Nov 26 19:19:05 2014] Sirken says, 'i dont care if people kill things here'
[Wed Nov 26 19:19:09 2014] Henrique says, 'we had Obelani... we had Pumkato, we have Endonde in the group, and they are not IB.'
[Wed Nov 26 19:19:18 2014] Sirken says, 'the ONLY reason Melo got in trouble was staff disrespect'
[Wed Nov 26 19:19:19 2014] Misek says, 'its just the principle that one group of pull can lock everyone else out of a zone'
[Wed Nov 26 19:19:28 2014] Sirken says, 'had nothing to do with the dumb AE group'
[Wed Nov 26 19:19:34 2014] Henrique says, 'i know Sirken'
[Wed Nov 26 19:19:42 2014] Henrique says, 'u guys not getting what i am saying. let me try to explain again'
[Wed Nov 26 19:20:00 2014] Henrique says, 'if they were really exp'ing here. would it be their first time? would they do it after bitch and try to get inside AE chardok'
[Wed Nov 26 19:20:00 2014] Misek says, 'u had them cuz u were short but after 4pm u guys got people and said u not inviting anyone outside of IB....i have logs of this and so does mel'
[Wed Nov 26 19:20:20 2014] Henrique says, 'Pumkato, Endonde, Obelani, arent in IB'
[Wed Nov 26 19:20:25 2014] Henrique says, 'and they were with us'
[Wed Nov 26 19:20:45 2014] Misek says, 'i know pumkato well and even he told me its bs what u guys were doing'
[Wed Nov 26 19:20:57 2014] Henrique says, 'u can check logs Sirken, and see that we did everything we could to cooperate. and be here together'
[Wed Nov 26 19:21:13 2014] Sirken says, 'Hen'
[Wed Nov 26 19:21:19 2014] Henrique says, 'if they wanna camp betrayer? sure go for it. i even offered let em have the pipe loot'
[Wed Nov 26 19:21:21 2014] Misek says, 'i really dont want to argue. its not worth it.'
[Wed Nov 26 19:21:23 2014] Sirken says, 'i dont care if it is the first time they were ever here'
[Wed Nov 26 19:21:24 2014] Sirken says, 'and'
[Wed Nov 26 19:21:34 2014] Sirken says, 'i dont care if they came here just to destroy the AE group'
[Wed Nov 26 19:21:37 2014] Henrique says, 'steping aside for 1 min every 20mins so dont get trained, not hard is it?'
[Wed Nov 26 19:21:39 2014] Misek says, 'and we were camping it'
[Wed Nov 26 19:21:56 2014] Henrique says, 'i know you dont care Sirken, but some of us like to AE'
[Wed Nov 26 19:21:57 2014] Sirken says, 'the AE group is stupid, and youre not gonna get me to defend it'
[Wed Nov 26 19:22:03 2014] Henrique says, 'and 98&PCT; of the server would agree its fun'
[Wed Nov 26 19:22:16 2014] Sirken says, 'so if people are in the zone, just keep being careful'
[Wed Nov 26 19:22:20 2014] Henrique says, 'shrugs, maybe for u. i like it. its challenging as any other stuff in EQ.'
[Wed Nov 26 19:22:36 2014] Sirken says, 'because fair warning, if any of you gimme the ammo i need to outlaw it, then that is going to happen'
[Wed Nov 26 19:22:40 2014] Misek says, 'well if u like AE then dont destroy it by shuting out everyone but IB'
[Wed Nov 26 19:22:49 2014] Henrique says, 'Misek.'
[Wed Nov 26 19:22:52 2014] Henrique says, 'again the IB thing'
[Wed Nov 26 19:22:56 2014] Sirken says, 'anyway im done here'
[Wed Nov 26 19:22:58 2014] Henrique says, 'look past the guild tag bud...'
[Wed Nov 26 19:23:10 2014] Sirken says, 'dont make me come bacl'
[Wed Nov 26 19:23:12 2014] Sirken says, 'back*'
[Wed Nov 26 19:23:15 2014] Henrique says, 'Sorry for anything Sirken, and if u look it the right way, u will see they were just trolling'
[Wed Nov 26 19:23:22 2014] Henrique shrugs unknowingly.
[Wed Nov 26 19:23:26 2014] Henrique says, 'Gratz Misek'
[Wed Nov 26 19:23:26 2014] Misek says, 'i dont care if it was Take/AG/IB, im just saying one guild shouldnt have it all'
[Wed Nov 26 19:23:38 2014] Misek says, 'thank you sirken'
[Wed Nov 26 19:23:39 2014] Henrique says, 'ill personally make sure everytime a TMO faEDIT is in the zone, ill come "camp" Betrayer.'
[Wed Nov 26 19:23:52 2014] Henrique cheers at Misek.


tldr; If you want to monopolize the list or do whatever you want with it, that's fine. If a group parks 10 feet in front of you to retaliate, also fine.

Clarification complete!

[Troubled]

Must have mis-copied. Here's the first part.



[Wed Nov 26 19:12:53 2014] Sirken says, 'get over here'
[Wed Nov 26 19:12:59 2014] Sirken says, 'i want all of u to hear this'
[Wed Nov 26 19:13:25 2014] Sirken says, 'the AE group works like any other group. the group leader decides who joins and whom doesnt.'
[Wed Nov 26 19:13:29 2014] Sirken says, 'furthermore'
[Wed Nov 26 19:13:51 2014] Melocoton says, 'who started the list 12hours ago was one guy from taken'
[Wed Nov 26 19:13:53 2014] Sirken says, 'if the AE group tells someone that they can not join, the player is free to kill other mobs in the zone'
[Wed Nov 26 19:13:54 2014] Melocoton says, 'you see logs'
[Wed Nov 26 19:14:09 2014] Sirken says, 'the AE group is NOT allowed to monopolize this zone'
[Wed Nov 26 19:14:18 2014] Misek says, 'thank u'
[Wed Nov 26 19:14:24 2014] Sirken says, 'and if it was up to me, the AE group would be not allowed at all'
[Wed Nov 26 19:14:29 2014] Sirken says, 'that being said'
[Wed Nov 26 19:14:50 2014] Sirken says, 'under no circumstances are any players allowed to be rude or disrespectful to the guides on this server'
[Wed Nov 26 19:14:51 2014] Sirken shouts 'A SARNAK ARUSPICE'
[Wed Nov 26 19:14:51 2014] a sarnak aruspice has been slain by Sirken!
[Wed Nov 26 19:15:04 2014] Sirken says, 'i dont care how right u think you are, or how wrong you think they are'
[Wed Nov 26 19:15:42 2014] Sirken says, 'Melo, youre getting a break for staff disrespect, feel free to petition on the forums for more information'
[Wed Nov 26 19:15:48 2014] Misek says, 'u can check with moregan i was very polite :)'
[Wed Nov 26 19:15:56 2014] Melocoton says, 'what its break for staff?'
[Wed Nov 26 19:16:00 2014] Sirken shouts 'MELOCOTON'
[Wed Nov 26 19:16:00 2014] Melocoton has been slain by Sirken!
[Wed Nov 26 19:16:10 2014] Sirken says, 'thats all'
[Wed Nov 26 19:16:10 2014] Gimpster says out of character, 'sirken too skrong'
[Wed Nov 26 19:16:15 2014] Sirken says, 'any questions ?'
[Wed Nov 26 19:16:20 2014] Henrique says, 'i do'
[Wed Nov 26 19:16:27 2014] Sirken says, 'ask away'
[Wed Nov 26 19:16:53 2014] Henrique says, 'thing is... if any troll can come here, say they can like a bridge camp in middle of the path of AE'ing'
[Wed Nov 26 19:16:59 2014] Henrique says, 'better just close the AE chardok i guess'
[Wed Nov 26 19:17:11 2014] Henrique says, 'their attitude was just childish'
[Wed Nov 26 19:17:16 2014] Henrique says, 'and we all know that.'
[Wed Nov 26 19:17:20 2014] Misek says, 'really?'
[Wed Nov 26 19:17:20 2014] Henrique says, 'they were not here to xp'
[Wed Nov 26 19:17:22 2014] Sirken says, 'just because they want to hunt in Chardok doesnt make them trolls'
[Wed Nov 26 19:17:27 2014] This corpse will decay in 6 days, 23 hours, 58 minutes and 33 seconds.
[Wed Nov 26 19:17:27 2014] This corpse's resurrection time will expire in 6 minute(s) 45 seconds.

[indiscriminate_hater]

sounds like a great way to extort money from the AOE group. 1k per hour to prevent camping the bridge

[Mastere843]

So I logged on around noon time, and put my name on chardok AE list for enchanter. I was like 5th on list. Then checked two hours later and was like 3rd away. Check another 2 hr later and I was up. However, Benjy told me that he is throwing out the list because it is open IB only now (guess they had people log in and didn't need any help from outside people). He stated a none IB ench can stay since he was with them from the morning. Me and the ench after me on the list, Monkye, decided this is not fair and we decided to go camp betrayer deeper in. We were trained twice by the chardok AE group until the GM Moregan stated there would be consequences if they train us again. Then Sirken got involved and stated:
[Wed Nov 26 20:14:08 2014] Sirken says, 'if the AE group tells someone that they can not join, the player is free to kill other mobs in the zone'
[Wed Nov 26 20:14:24 2014] Sirken says, 'the AE group is NOT allowed to monopolize this zone'
Thus allowing us to stay in our camp.

All I'm saying is keep the Chardok AE list free to all who can do it and do not restrict it to people from a single guild. Else the people who are excluded can go camp something deeper in and prevent the AE group from making full pulls.

[Mastere843]

So I logged on around noon time, and put my name on chardok AE list for enchanter. I was like 5th on list. Then checked two hours later and was like 3rd away. Check another 2 hr later and I was up. However, Benjy told me that he is throwing out the list because it is open IB only now (guess they had people log in and didn't need any help from outside people). He stated a none IB ench can stay since he was with them from the morning. Me and the ench after me on the list, Monkye, decided this is not fair and we decided to go camp betrayer deeper in. We were trained twice by the chardok AE group until the GM Moregan stated there would be consequences if they train us again. Then Sirken got involved and stated:
[Wed Nov 26 20:14:08 2014] Sirken says, 'if the AE group tells someone that they can not join, the player is free to kill other mobs in the zone'
[Wed Nov 26 20:14:24 2014] Sirken says, 'the AE group is NOT allowed to monopolize this zone'
Thus allowing us to stay in our camp.

All I'm saying is keep the Chardok AE list free to all who can do it and do not restrict it to people from a single guild. Else the people who are excluded can go camp something deeper in and prevent the AE group from making full pulls.

[Jack N]

Let people do whatever they want, at their own risk.

[Misek84]

So I logged on around noon time, and put my name on chardok AE list for enchanter. I was like 5th on list. Then checked two hours later and was like 3rd away. Check another 2 hr later and I was up. However, Benjy told me that he is throwing out the list because it is open IB only now (guess they had people log in and didn't need any help from outside people). He stated a none IB ench can stay since he was with them from the morning. Me and the ench after me on the list, Monkye, decided this is not fair and we decided to go camp betrayer deeper in. We were trained twice by the chardok AE group until the GM Moregan stated there would be consequences if they train us again. Then Sirken got involved and stated:

[Wed Nov 26 20:14:08 2014] Sirken says, 'if the AE group tells someone that they can not join, the player is free to kill other mobs in the zone'
[Wed Nov 26 20:14:24 2014] Sirken says, 'the AE group is NOT allowed to monopolize this zone'

Thus allowing us to stay in our camp.

All I'm saying is keep the Chardok AE list free to all who can do it and do not restrict it to people from a single guild. Else the people who are excluded can go camp something deeper in and prevent the AE group from making full pulls.

If double post sorry

[Cecily]

That's amazing to hear, Sirken. I've been wanting to do some Chardok terrorism ever since those bullshit AE game ruining pieces of shit started making that a business.

[Ele]

Castle or bridge group LFM brave soldiers.

[khanable]

Will tank for any group looking to cause mayhem

PST

[Daldaen]

Offering pulls of Royals to bridge if you can provide the lock picking rogue.

[Sirken]

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--RmvkIcuw--/19e6trtvv10sxgif.gif

[Nocsucow]

Hit me up if you needs cleric to disturb a AoE group..... I'll help... Needed the exp also

[Cecily]

Ha what a quaint idea. A single group exping in Chardok.

[Aviann]

Will be the pick lock rogue or utility paladin/tank for this said group.

[khanable]

Will be the pick lock rogue or utility paladin/tank for this said group.

Bring the rogue, the corpse won't help us much



:D

[Tameth]

IB wiping down there as we speak!

[khanable]

a chardok interrupt group is really only worth it if vyal is doing AE's

the meltdown would be absolutely incredible

[Aviann]

Bring the rogue, the corpse won't help us much



:D

bawwwww lol my paladin is the shit

[Anichek]

bawwwww lol my paladin is the shit

YOU'RE NOT SADAD

[Aviann]

Ha what a quaint idea. A single group exping in Chardok.

We can do this together, with the power of our love, Cecily. We will throttle each's heart into a fiery love, and hold each other in our arms and immolate forever together as a powersource for this group.

[Argh]

Will tank for any group looking to cause mayhem

PST

[Haynar]

Cool. When the interrupt group start? Before or after taking over the Tranix camp.

You all be silly.

We need Velious so we can have new stuff to whine about.

H

[Cecily]

If I was actively, every god damn night until they stopped happening. Those power level groups are going to be directly responsible for the majority of the whining that happens in Velious. SoV wasn't designed to have a 90% level 60 population day 1.

[Lune]

Will grab my brother's enchanter for any AoE-interrupt group.

Hell let's make a guild for it, we can call it <Dok Blockers>

[Aviann]

We need Velious so we can have new stuff to whine about.

Pras!

[Bboboo]

Dunno why people haven't though of this before.

Want to stop aoeing? Just form a few exp camps. Sure you'll be hated by some people, but fuck it.

[Portasaurus]

http://i.imgur.com/4j7oQtK.jpg

[khanable]

omg lol

[sulpher01]

Best thread of the year and its only on page 3!

[vid]

http://i.imgur.com/4j7oQtK.jpg

Most hilarious thing I've ever seen on these boards, holy shit.

[Jfertal]

Must have mis-copied. Here's the first part.



[Wed Nov 26 19:12:53 2014] Sirken says, 'get over here'
[Wed Nov 26 19:12:59 2014] Sirken says, 'i want all of u to hear this'
[Wed Nov 26 19:13:25 2014] Sirken says, 'the AE group works like any other group. the group leader decides who joins and whom doesnt.'
[Wed Nov 26 19:13:29 2014] Sirken says, 'furthermore'
[Wed Nov 26 19:13:51 2014] Melocoton says, 'who started the list 12hours ago was one guy from taken'
[Wed Nov 26 19:13:53 2014] Sirken says, 'if the AE group tells someone that they can not join, the player is free to kill other mobs in the zone'
[Wed Nov 26 19:13:54 2014] Melocoton says, 'you see logs'
[Wed Nov 26 19:14:09 2014] Sirken says, 'the AE group is NOT allowed to monopolize this zone'
[Wed Nov 26 19:14:18 2014] Misek says, 'thank u'
[Wed Nov 26 19:14:24 2014] Sirken says, 'and if it was up to me, the AE group would be not allowed at all'
[Wed Nov 26 19:14:29 2014] Sirken says, 'that being said'
[Wed Nov 26 19:14:50 2014] Sirken says, 'under no circumstances are any players allowed to be rude or disrespectful to the guides on this server'
[Wed Nov 26 19:14:51 2014] Sirken shouts 'A SARNAK ARUSPICE'
[Wed Nov 26 19:14:51 2014] a sarnak aruspice has been slain by Sirken!
[Wed Nov 26 19:15:04 2014] Sirken says, 'i dont care how right u think you are, or how wrong you think they are'
[Wed Nov 26 19:15:42 2014] Sirken says, 'Melo, youre getting a break for staff disrespect, feel free to petition on the forums for more information'
[Wed Nov 26 19:15:48 2014] Misek says, 'u can check with moregan i was very polite :)'
[Wed Nov 26 19:15:56 2014] Melocoton says, 'what its break for staff?'
[Wed Nov 26 19:16:00 2014] Sirken shouts 'MELOCOTON'
[Wed Nov 26 19:16:00 2014] Melocoton has been slain by Sirken!
[Wed Nov 26 19:16:10 2014] Sirken says, 'thats all'
[Wed Nov 26 19:16:10 2014] Gimpster says out of character, 'sirken too skrong'
[Wed Nov 26 19:16:15 2014] Sirken says, 'any questions ?'
[Wed Nov 26 19:16:20 2014] Henrique says, 'i do'
[Wed Nov 26 19:16:27 2014] Sirken says, 'ask away'
[Wed Nov 26 19:16:53 2014] Henrique says, 'thing is... if any troll can come here, say they can like a bridge camp in middle of the path of AE'ing'
[Wed Nov 26 19:16:59 2014] Henrique says, 'better just close the AE chardok i guess'
[Wed Nov 26 19:17:11 2014] Henrique says, 'their attitude was just childish'
[Wed Nov 26 19:17:16 2014] Henrique says, 'and we all know that.'
[Wed Nov 26 19:17:20 2014] Misek says, 'really?'
[Wed Nov 26 19:17:20 2014] Henrique says, 'they were not here to xp'
[Wed Nov 26 19:17:22 2014] Sirken says, 'just because they want to hunt in Chardok doesnt make them trolls'
[Wed Nov 26 19:17:27 2014] This corpse will decay in 6 days, 23 hours, 58 minutes and 33 seconds.
[Wed Nov 26 19:17:27 2014] This corpse's resurrection time will expire in 6 minute(s) 45 seconds.

fuck it treat it like raid rules, if some mother fucker choses to make their camp at zone in at inny you move closer, dont them pull through camps. Don't interupt zones

[Jfertal]

probably mis quoted

[Jfertal]

chardok gromits.

[Troubled]

Fatty drunk rage posting.

[Ella`Ella]

Come home, Fatty. Come home.

[Swish]

http://i.imgur.com/4j7oQtK.jpg

That is a quality picture GG, gg ! :)

If anything is formalized over a Chardok regular 6-man XP group... perhaps this weekend? Then I'm interested (59 rogue / 58 necro / 57 cleric).

Would be nice to not be in Sebilis for once.

...also pras Sirken, he speaks for the many.

[bktroost]

Wait, Misek left to join TMO? Sad day.

[Tasslehofp99]

http://i.imgur.com/4j7oQtK.jpg

LOL fucking awesome

[Vyal]

lol

[azeth]

Are you guys new to everquest or something? Just move into any location inside Chardok and camp it... AE groups will end up getting their own asses suspended.

Thats classic, and truly nothing to see here.

welcome to EQ noobs

[Widan]

http://www.redguides.com/forums/showthread.php/29409-WTS-Chardok-Proxy

[zanderklocke]

http://www.redguides.com/forums/showthread.php/29409-WTS-Chardok-Proxy

At least the RMTers acknowledge bard power levels are better than Chadok. :D

[Rararboker]

Damn, normal groups in Chardok???

Now us wizards aren't welcome anywhere. =[

[Susano]

Don't despair Chardok AE, there's a reason why even before the AE all day erry day bonanza started that the zone was a ghost town.

Once the 1% of the people talking shit about making a real group for Chardok go there and realize how even with the high ZEM that the zone is boring as dog shit to group in you'll be free to resume the XP bonanza once more.

Thank god I got my Wizard to 60 already though.

[Ravager]

Don't despair Chardok AE, there's a reason why even before the AE all day erry day bonanza started that the zone was a ghost town.

Once the 1% of the people talking shit about making a real group for Chardok go there and realize how even with the high ZEM that the zone is boring as dog shit to group in you'll be free to resume the XP bonanza once more.

Thank god I got my Wizard to 60 already though.

Do you even play on this server? It's not about shitty exp, it's about cockblocking others, the cornerstone principle of the end game here.

[Ravager]

Did you ever play everquest? That's how the game is. The people running/creating this server are here to make a classic version of everquest for no other reason than to have it exist. They'e not going to change one little scenario that would arguably greatly improve the game ever.

I didn't say it wasn't. I was just making the point that shitty exp isn't gonna stop a handful of folks from rustling the AE jimmies.

[Troubled]

currently a group of BDA people are exp'ing in chardok...who knows what theyre doing. Maybe they're just having fun or trying to rustle some jimmies. If you could look at the numbers somehow one would see BDA members have used chardok AE to level more than any guild on the server...so....

pras cucumbers

Sounds formulaic and based on evidence. :rolleyes:

[khanable]

http://i.imgur.com/kThVeAo.png

http://i.imgur.com/sFjxTOD.png

anger

also chardok is super glitchy

[Ravager]

also chardok is super glitchy

No doubt. We should really finish beta testing Kunark and Classic before we move on to Velious.

[arsenalpow]

Cucumbers RUSTLEDSPROUTS

[Trashbank]

well... my english its very bad, so... I'll explain quickly and upload images that you may see as IB does what he wants.

- In the first block: we can see how one enc grupping with IB in chardok tell me yes, IB drop all people from list for PL her alts and we will see how benjy from IB said me there is not list. ( no list because they dropping all for sure... lol )

1 http://i.imgur.com/U4OxvVPl.jpg

2 http://i.imgur.com/gKxolevl.jpg?2

- Second block: after they told me no list and they dropp all people... i make petition and start group exp.

3 http://i.imgur.com/12TgihXl.jpg?1

4 http://i.imgur.com/BNImLF3l.jpg?1

5 http://i.imgur.com/gptIisFl.jpg

- The first train with " Guide Moregan " in the zone.

6 http://i.imgur.com/mLRqjCul.jpg

7 http://i.imgur.com/1u9sap7l.jpg

8 http://i.imgur.com/cjnJGFSl.jpg

9 http://i.imgur.com/4jPYXMKl.jpg

10 http://i.imgur.com/iphG3tMl.jpg?1

[Trashbank]

- GM rez after train, you guys can see how IB train with a Guide in the zone, that guide rez me and they continue with Pulls.

11 http://i.imgur.com/IVsILFKl.jpg?1

12 http://i.imgur.com/GdbzHoCl.jpg?1

13 http://i.imgur.com/4vLuLDfl.jpg?1

- Second train while we are doing exp in Chardok ( 20 mins after... ), and Guide still there and permit all to IB.

14 http://i.imgur.com/rvc7P9Sl.jpg

15 http://i.imgur.com/EVhmV7Zl.jpg

16 http://i.imgur.com/UTaC03fl.jpg

17 http://i.imgur.com/UTaC03fl.jpg

18 http://i.imgur.com/Ha5K53vl.jpg

19 http://i.imgur.com/IdzGCTQl.jpg

[Trashbank]

- Last Step PoP sirken, my account suspended for 7 days: Because i said a lot bad words to the Guide, but all IB are okey, they can train us with a GM in the zone and its Okey!!! :P

20 http://i.imgur.com/riLgpz7l.jpg?1

21 http://i.imgur.com/1r5MTVAl.jpg

22 http://i.imgur.com/Pl7nZckl.jpg

END!! thanks for see my photos and know all truth about chardok and IB.

[khanable]

http://i.imgur.com/xGKIu00.jpg

[Trashbank]

true.... lol

[sulpher01]

All I saw in this is that your a real asshole to the guide who was trying to help you.

[Bboboo]

http://i.imgur.com/xGKIu00.jpg

for real though...

[Trashbank]

help me? or.... help IB? i dont want after 10h or 12h he force to IB add me to the list, when there.... lol, thta guide only helped IB and IB doing AoE pulls with a group exping... they train us 2 times with that guide its help us.... in the zone..

[Trashbank]

and i wanna say sorry to that Guide called Moregan because i am not one to insult someone, but he dont do good her work permiting IB train us and seeing it, so again sorry but im not happy with your work that day.

[Hodge]

http://i.imgur.com/xGKIu00.jpg

[Absolution]

Melocoton I feel pity for you !

[Trashbank]

why? i dont broken any rule, and IB dont have why train me and GM dont have why permit it.... so... im okey, the only bad thing do its all i said to the guide, but i was angry and lost the control. i feel pity for IB they think are gods or something

[Raev]

I think we need Tiggles back to give Cucumbers some competition in RNF

[NegaStoat]

Taking screenshot evidence (well, phone-shot I guess) was a move in the right direction. Sitting in the path of the AoE pull Tiananmen Square style was a stroke of genius. Posting the results here was magnificent.

Calling the Guide donating their time to get involved in this shit on a weekly basis a retard? I don't think you can drop the ball any harder than that.

Now I'm really curious if others will disrupt guilds from exploiting non-Kunark mob behavior for exp any time they can't get on a list. The server rules are on their side if they do it right.

[Heebo]

http://i.imgur.com/xGKIu00.jpg

[Raev]

[Wed Nov 26 19:18:01 2014] Sirken says, 'nilbog says clasic'
[Wed Nov 26 19:18:06 2014] Henrique says, 'afaik, AE'ing is classic'
[Wed Nov 26 19:18:12 2014] Henrique says, 'i used to AE in sebilis'

I really doubt that AEing 150 mobs is classic. There is just no way that casting spells on that many targets wouldn't lag you out a bit. IMO, any time a player casts a spell on more than 30-40 mobs there should be a 10% chance for the server to just kick them instantly.

Also, Cecily has a great point about how the AE groups fuck up the endgame. I bet Chardok AE is responsible for somewhere between 30-50% of the XP generated on P1999 blue, and that XP goes disproportionately to people on their 5th alt they need to camp for our ridiculous raid scene.

I'm not sociopathic enough to go fuck with the AE groups like some of the people in this thread, but this server would definitely be a better place without them.

[indiscriminate_hater]

jesus fucking christ. the struggle is real

[Trashbank]

Taking screenshot evidence (well, phone-shot I guess) was a move in the right direction. Sitting in the path of the AoE pull Tiananmen Square style was a stroke of genius. Posting the results here was magnificent.

Calling the Guide donating their time to get involved in this shit on a weekly basis a retard? I don't think you can drop the ball any harder than that.

Now I'm really curious if others will disrupt guilds from exploiting non-Kunark mob behavior for exp any time they can't get on a list. The server rules are on their side if they do it right.

i have done chardok too many time and we never had any problem, why IB can broken the rules? there was one group xping, becasue IB drop all people from the list, then you mean, we can mute all and leave IB to do all they want? i think the gm didnt help me, trying to forcre IB put me in one list... after they dropped all people, and Hnerique from IB train me 2 times, with a GM on the zone and i dont see the GM ban him or something, so what happening here? rules are same for all.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

GM rezz me 5 time,,,,; he trainned us,,,,,,,,,,,, ib r loosers;;;

[Troubled]

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101216123318/southpark/images/3/37/Asses_of_fire.jpeg

[Vyal]

Train them back?

[jarshale]

OP you should have just RMTd for a spot that's how the pros do it.

[khanable]

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzw_GpPjD6U&feature=youtu.be

[kotton05]

Chardok AoE is a joke. Has rmt attached to it. Ruins part of the monk epic if you wanna group to get it... This isn't classic. Clearly no PC in 99 could handle this type of load. If I had faith in the staff I'd sit down there and xp at bridge and fraps the trains. This guy was close to getting helped before he went full retard on a guide.

I lol at the victim becoming the persacuted by the staff... You was like inches away from being helped dude... Way to go biting the hand that feeds

[GinnasP99]

GM rezz me 5 time,,,,; he trainned us,,,,,,,,,,,, ib r loosers;;;

Go, aheaD ,,,,,,, tell us..,, :D

[kotton05]

IB running the rings now. Btw why is there 2 threads of this?

[Aviann]

I'm not sociopathic enough to go fuck with the AE groups like some of the people in this thread, but this server would definitely be a better place without them.

We need an hero.

[kotton05]

We need an hero.

Raev is my Captain Planet

[nilbog]

[Wed Nov 26 19:18:01 2014] Sirken says, 'nilbog says clasic'


aeing is classic, sure. If people want to exp in chardok, they most definitely should be able. When we discussed it in staff chat a while back, this is what I had to say.

ae group is killing the zone. someone shows up, asks for a camp check. ae group says, everything. new person should have the right to say, ok im taking camp A. unless the ae group wants to move to camp A, they would need to forfeit it.That's it, and it's simple. One group can't monopolize the zone by training over existing groups.

I really doubt that AEing 150 mobs is classic. There is just no way that casting spells on that many targets wouldn't lag you out a bit. IMO, any time a player casts a spell on more than 30-40 mobs there should be a 10% chance for the server to just kick them instantly.


Was there a limit on the number of npcs that could be simultaneously aggroed, or was it purely client connection to server that suffered?

[Rais]

The question is why the fuck is this dude taking cell phone pics of his screen. That alone tells me how retarded this guy is.

[kotton05]

He can figure out how to get pictures from his phone to a PC to the internet then upload/post, but can't take a screen shot and be nice to the one trying to help him. Could be troll?

[khanable]

Was there a limit on the number of npcs that could be simultaneously aggroed, or was it purely client connection to server that suffered?

I'd imagine more than just client->server suffered

And wasn't there something having to do with a maximum on the aggro list? Only X many mobs and the rest just ignored you?

I thought I had read something about that here actually. To the internet archive!

[Rais]

They did something during SoL to make AOE groups harder to do. On live one person can have unlimited agro, but could only have four mobs agro on you attacking you. This sounds odd, but if you had a train, NPCs would hit you (all 4) but once they hit you they "lost agro" but stayed there and the rest of the train took their turn hitting you. This way they all hit you, but only really four at a time. This is when everyone would aoe stun etc and have the aoe exp.

I had a bug report about npc agro and how many before. As a wizard I had something really dumb happen to me while medding at Gfay spires. Someone trained the bandits on me and I gained agro. I used root on all 3, and sat to med. A orc pawn came by and attacked also. I rooted that one also, and root would break on another mob. I would root that one then root would break on another mob. This went on for 10 mins. It wasn't random breaking, it had to do with an unknown limit.

It was strange to me since as a wizard we would quad kite. So having four mobs snared chasing you around was ok, as long as they didn't hit you. Maybe it's in the code somewhere and Secrets or someone can find it. Who knows.
Live server AoE Sebilis or fear was totally classic. People hated chardok and never did it because of all the casters on my server.

Anyways, AOE groups still worked because once you had more than one person on the agro list it countered this strange mechanic and they all came and were stunned etc etc etc.

[Rais]

As about the rooting thing I mentioned as a wizard on live. I tried this out a lot after this happened on live. It happened everywhere.

[Rais]

Sounds like a BDA casual scum causing trouble for the staff again.

[Rais]

Here are more people talking about it in bug section Nil.
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44297&highlight=rooted

[Daldaen]

Was there a limit on the number of npcs that could be simultaneously aggroed, or was it purely client connection to server that suffered?

There was some discussion in classic threads about how there is a limited number of players allowed to be in melee range attacking a player. I heard anywhere between 3-8~. This number is multiplied by the number of players on their hatelist. Example:

If your group of 3 trains from Unrest to entrance, and you have 12 mobs. Because its 3 people on the hatelist, 3*3=9 and thats the maximum that would be meleeing one person. The rest will target to the others on hatelist. If there are more mobs than there are "slots" of aggro they will wait just out of melee range and jump into the fray once a mob is dead or when more join the hatelist.

I can dig up the few posts that mention this mechanic if you like, but I believe it was very early on (maybe even pre-Kunark). And I was always skeptical of this being a true mechanic because I remember gnoll trains in Blackburrow crushing. Maybe its due to so many on hatelist that there were enough slots allowed ona single person but yea.

[Red_Psyphon]

holy shit...I bet guide moregan bashed his head against the wall dealin with this guy

[khanable]

There was some discussion in classic threads about how there is a limited number of players allowed to be in melee range attacking a player. I heard anywhere between 3-8~. This number is multiplied by the number of players on their hatelist. Example:

If your group of 3 trains from Unrest to entrance, and you have 12 mobs. Because its 3 people on the hatelist, 3*3=9 and thats the maximum that would be meleeing one person. The rest will target to the others on hatelist. If there are more mobs than there are "slots" of aggro they will wait just out of melee range and jump into the fray once a mob is dead or when more join the hatelist.

I can dig up the few posts that mention this mechanic if you like, but I believe it was very early on (maybe even pre-Kunark). And I was always skeptical of this being a true mechanic because I remember gnoll trains in Blackburrow crushing. Maybe its due to so many on hatelist that there were enough slots allowed ona single person but yea.

Interesting -->


On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:03:18 GMT, Lance Berg <emp...@dejazzd.com>
wrote:
>OK, so, whats needed here?
>
>I -think- its
>2 enchanters
>1 cleric
>2 PB AOE nukers
>1 puller.
>
Yep, pretty much right on, though I've certainly done it with a single
enchanter with very good results.
>The puller brings wave after wave of mobs to the group
>The chanters stand together and spam out AOE Mez
>The cleric keeps the chanters alive
>Once sufficient groups are present, the nukers
>start blowing mana on PB AOE while the chanters keep
>spamming Mez and the cleric spams groupheals or does
>his own PB AOEing.

I've rarely done it this way, just because I hate having to run and
aggro a bunch of mobs, bring them back, aggro more, etc. I prefer to
have my entire group put me on auto-follow and I rush around aggroing
mobs willy-nilly until I have a HUGE group behind us. The 4-mob limit
can be a real pain in the ass when you're looking for a good pull,
especially in the zones that I find best for AE. Having the entire
group running around ensures that you get at least 24 mobs on you,
which is a pretty good run since several of the mobs in the zones we
use are 55+.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.games.everquest/aoe$20group$20mob$20limit/alt.games.everquest/_t9mBSaMaBg/TQqwqwJvjzEJ

seems legit dawg

[nilbog]

Good good. I was hoping this would inspire some research into what might possibly be different.

I'll say this again.

aeing is classic, sure.

But if there's something not right, let's isolate what it is and fix it.

[Kekephee]

http://i.imgur.com/xGKIu00.jpg

Screenshots in EQ are the minus key, not print screen, you idiot

[Kekephee]

that was supposed to be a joke and i can't edit it to make it sound less serious

[Kekephee]

Cucus you're so FUCKING STUPID

[Rais]

The way they are doing it now, it is right. The puller goes off and ganis agro. They come back to the group and gets healed. There really isn't any difference between how it is now, as it was on live. Only thing I can tell is the weird zone is being aoe'ed and the normal typical one isn't.

[Loke]

OP, I don't know you, but you seem like an idiot. I wouldn't want to group with you either.

[Man0warr]

Only difference is we used to do 30-50 mobs at once (with a single group) instead of ~130 on this server, but that was purely because the server/our computers couldn't handle more.

This was how Chardok was done before the revamp - because the zone sucked balls and the only good drops were purely random.

[Javacup]

The real issue I see here is that Guide Moregan was assigned to the situation. Bound for disaster and misinformation on that note alone.

[Aviann]

Good good. I was hoping this would inspire some research into what might possibly be different.

I'll say this again.



But if there's something not right, let's isolate what it is and fix it.

It isn't the monopolization. It isn't the massive pulls. Its the massive pulls hindering those who wish to actually hunt the zone for loot and the monk epic or xp. These AE groups that appear with their proxy bull crap have a right to charge for spots, but the happenings that go on constantly when these AE groups have no regard for the people trying to enjoy the Chardok zone(raids aside).

Once again, I believe this is an issue that must be dealt with through action of the in-game GM's in accordance to training laws, make them stricter for those that know better(generally the higher levels that lead said groups). It isn't the mechanics, mechanics are classic and aren't the issue. It is the effects of what these people are doing. Also it is always up to the guild-leader to invite whomever they choose so who cares if they create a guild group or not.

The main problem is the majority of these AE groups have no respect nor recognition for the ones inside Chardok that aren't a part of their proxy list.


This is simply my strong opinion, but I think it details and simplifies the problems at hand.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Good good. I was hoping this would inspire some research into what might possibly be different.

I'll say this again.



But if there's something not right, let's isolate what it is and fix it.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156004

Thought this thread had some good points to consider and some supposed actual evidence as to specific differences.



-

[Troubled]

It isn't the monopolization. It isn't the massive pulls. Its the massive pulls hindering those who wish to actually hunt the zone for loot and the monk epic or xp. These AE groups that appear with their proxy bull crap have a right to charge for spots, but the happenings that go on constantly when these AE groups have no regard for the people trying to enjoy the Chardok zone(raids aside).

Once again, I believe this is an issue that must be dealt with through action of the in-game GM's in accordance to training laws, make them stricter for those that know better(generally the higher levels that lead said groups). It isn't the mechanics, mechanics are classic and aren't the issue. It is the effects of what these people are doing. Also it is always up to the guild-leader to invite whomever they choose so who cares if they create a guild group or not.

The main problem is the majority of these AE groups have no respect nor recognition for the ones inside Chardok that aren't a part of their proxy list.


This is simply my strong opinion, but I think it details and simplifies the problems at hand.


Well, now it's ruled they have to respect those dungeon crawling groups. I thought it was that way before, but maybe not.

[Arteker]

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzw_GpPjD6U&feature=youtu.be

kill all the men women children pets insects and the idea dies untill aliens come and find it

[Godefroi]

Mobile phones with cameras didnt exist in 99, hence, not classic.

[Sirken]

Well, now it's ruled they have to respect those dungeon crawling groups. I thought it was that way before, but maybe not.

oh, you're correct. and thats why, if we're being honest, i'm a little shocked at how shocked some of u seem by the contents of this thread.

[Raev]

Having the entire
group running around ensures that you get at least 24 mobs on you,
which is a pretty good run since several of the mobs in the zones we
use are 55+.

So these guys were happy to AE 25 mobs at once.

Let's do some quick math. Every time you cast on a mob, the server must send that message to every PC in the vicinity ("xxx is stunned by scintillating colors" etc). Let's make some assumptions: 2 enchanters casting 1 spell every 2 seconds, 2 wizards casting 1 spell every 6 seconds. That's 1.3 spells per second. With 150 mobs, that's 200 messages per second. If each message is 64 bytes (reasonable with protocol overhead), that's 12.8KB/s of bandwidth for spell messages alone, let alone the position packets etc. Meanwhile a 56kbps modem can handle only 7KB/s of bandwidth.

TL;DR: Chardok AE proved nonclassic

[toolshed]

Sirken - can someone loot the rotting corpses of the AE group?

[Aviann]

oh, you're correct. and thats why, if we're being honest, i'm a little shocked at how shocked some of u seem by the contents of this thread.

the proof that most of the AE groups present in chardok do not abide by the rules or ?

Sirken - can someone loot the rotting corpses of the AE group?


Also a main question of mine? Especially during bard kites where they have to inability to loot 10 second corpses;

[astiol]

IB funny people talking here
have twitter in your group to attack here in the forum, as picture.. lol

if not, is seen that people likes to subjugate
--------

serious thought smarter ib, but yours is the only answer ...
Picture is with mobile ohhh ... lolol

[Swish]

The real issue I see here is that Guide Moregan was assigned to the situation. Bound for disaster and misinformation on that note alone.

Moregan is good ppl. Rid MM of a TMO camp lawyer on Dhamp last week when the CY group was keeping it clear (sup Xaxian).

[Clark]

The question is why the fuck is this dude taking cell phone pics of his screen. That alone tells me how retarded this guy is.

Lol. Op has problems.

[Susano]

So these guys were happy to AE 25 mobs at once.

Let's do some quick math. Every time you cast on a mob, the server must send that message to every PC in the vicinity ("xxx is stunned by scintillating colors" etc). Let's make some assumptions: 2 enchanters casting 1 spell every 2 seconds, 2 wizards casting 1 spell every 6 seconds. That's 1.3 spells per second. With 150 mobs, that's 200 messages per second. If each message is 64 bytes (reasonable with protocol overhead), that's 12.8KB/s of bandwidth for spell messages alone, let alone the position packets etc. Meanwhile a 56kbps modem can handle only 7KB/s of bandwidth.

TL;DR: Chardok AE proved nonclassic

Comcast began offering cable modems in late 96, Kunark wasn't released till 2000.

TLDR: STFU

[Vyal]

The main problem is the majority of these AE groups have no respect nor recognition for the ones inside Chardok that aren't a part of their proxy list.


That is just not true one bit at least in my experience.
If I am in there and someone wants Nibbles I will go grab it, if a group wipes at royals I will get their corpses and save them an hour down time I will even CoH groups to wherever they want to go if they ask, if a group is in there I will pull the trains around them and communicate with them before and during the pulls to make sure they are safe.
No one is going to stop any groups from doing their thing but also those groups should be mindful of the other players in the AE getting xp also and selling proxies to people.
Most of the Chardok people are really cool and don't want to deal with this type of BS it's a business to them or a way to get XP and RL things done in between pulls not a constant grind.

[falkun]

Keke with the triple post, super rustled.

[Vyal]

But lets not kid ourselves and make this into something it isn't...

99% of the people that go in there to make groups only do it to disrupt the AE groups and the best way I found to deal with them is to kill them with kindness.

[teija]

After sitting on the list this day for over 13 hours just to come back into zone and be told by benjy from IB "there is no list anymore" and some new IB cleric doing pulls. Not gona lie this was some dirty scum shit, but this still just a game, let the neckbeards from IB have there exp and rot in hell.

[kotton05]

But lets not kid ourselves and make this into something it isn't...

99% of the people that go in there to make groups only do it to disrupt the AE groups and the best way I found to deal with them is to kill them with kindness.

Simply not true. Nice try tho.

[falkun]

currently a group of BDA people are exp'ing in chardok...who knows what theyre doing. Maybe they're just having fun or trying to rustle some jimmies. If you could look at the numbers somehow one would see BDA members have used chardok AE to level more than any guild on the server...so....

pras cucumbers

O how time forgets...TMO releveling all the L60s that got deleveled to 51 via skyfire AOE back when that was still a thing. If a guild would like to point fingers at AE leveling, TMO is the last to call anyone out.

[Trashbank]

- we cant stop topic about if i do Photos with my phone and not screenshot and all about moregan i said sorry about all i told him i was angry and was a big error.

- But anyways i want know what happen with 2 trains do Henrique for AoE in chardok and the group was xping dies while there was guide in the same zone and he saw all in first person. Then IB is free to do whatever they want and GM not punish these acts? i never post nothing here, this its my first post because i dont have not allowed when im playing for funny with other players, come one guild and do what they want and I fuck my playtime.

[kotton05]

Dam I'm sure most here do that to their hand

[kotton05]

I don't know anyone in TMO who had to relevel their 60's. Sounds like BDA still holding into the past. The rustle is real.

[Uuruk]

aeing is classic, sure. If people want to exp in chardok, they most definitely should be able. When we discussed it in staff chat a while back, this is what I had to say.

That's it, and it's simple. One group can't monopolize the zone by training over existing groups.



Was there a limit on the number of npcs that could be simultaneously aggroed, or was it purely client connection to server that suffered?

Just kill AoEing in the zone completely. It hurts NOTHING to kill it and would actually force players to interact with others.

[Uuruk]

This shit doesn't happen on red. Honestly those screenshots are pretty embarrassing for the staff and the players. A bunch of late 20 year olds acting like 12 year olds over pixels.

[zanderklocke]

So I'veread that you can't have more than 4 mobs aggro solo, internet connections couldn't handle large pulls, and that mobs had weird rubber band aggro that caused them to disengage if you got too far away.

So what is classic in terms of pulling lots of mobs?

I'm curious how bards AoE kited and charm kited if there are limits into how many mobs a person can aggro or if mobs only hold rubber band aggro?

Internet connections disrupting pulls seems the most plausible to me, but I'd like to see evidence of the others.

[Grimjaw]

from what I gather, OP was in the right (clearly playing by the posted rules) which even sirken came in and stated at the end.. however the actions by everyone including guides/gm's was to blatantly disregard all posted rules and dish out punishment to only the OP.

This type of shit is why red players don't last on blue. It woulda been eye for an eye type deal resulting in bans all around. that's how my first attempt on blue went before red was open.

[Grimjaw]

if they are training the entire zone, and you decide to tag royals into the train, is that considered helping the AOE group?

[zanderklocke]

OP would have been in the right, but he instead decided to harass the guide and call him a retard. That's a real smart way to get the guide to rule in your favor.

[Orruar]

http://s18.postimg.org/u9irudjxl/20141128_110335.jpg

[Trashbank]

Nice, dude.

that " I " its wrong, english isnt my first languaje and if write fast sometimes i put any letter by mistake, sorry if you are perfect :)

[Ravager]

I don't know anyone in TMO who had to relevel their 60's. Sounds like BDA still holding into the past. The rustle is real.

Yep. Deajay keeps a full roster of everyone who was in TMO and knows that he is purposely disparaging current members with clean whistles... or it could be that shit sticks to the name no matter who is in the guild.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

http://i.imgur.com/T8f9Ryz.jpg

[Raev]

hehehe

Orruar I am tempted to post a phone screenshot of your post of their post. HOW DEEP DOES THE RABBIT HOLE GO?!

[derpcake]

They did something during SoL to make AOE groups harder to do. On live one person can have unlimited agro, but could only have four mobs agro on you attacking you. This sounds odd, but if you had a train, NPCs would hit you (all 4) but once they hit you they "lost agro" but stayed there and the rest of the train took their turn hitting you. This way they all hit you, but only really four at a time. This is when everyone would aoe stun etc and have the aoe exp.

I had a bug report about npc agro and how many before. As a wizard I had something really dumb happen to me while medding at Gfay spires. Someone trained the bandits on me and I gained agro. I used root on all 3, and sat to med. A orc pawn came by and attacked also. I rooted that one also, and root would break on another mob. I would root that one then root would break on another mob. This went on for 10 mins. It wasn't random breaking, it had to do with an unknown limit.

It was strange to me since as a wizard we would quad kite. So having four mobs snared chasing you around was ok, as long as they didn't hit you. Maybe it's in the code somewhere and Secrets or someone can find it. Who knows.
Live server AoE Sebilis or fear was totally classic. People hated chardok and never did it because of all the casters on my server.

Anyways, AOE groups still worked because once you had more than one person on the agro list it countered this strange mechanic and they all came and were stunned etc etc etc.

Thats some misinformation you are trying to spread. Really justles my rimmies.

The bolded bit doesn't work.

Plenty of bards AE kited Nadox, that lasted until 2006 or something?

Shakerpaging also worked, had zero problem training 120 mobs in nadox solo. Again, that was 2006-2007.

http://www.goberserker.com/forums/printthread.php?t=3569&pp=40

More proof can easily be found. Stop posting shit.

[derpcake]

So I'veread that you can't have more than 4 mobs aggro solo, internet connections couldn't handle large pulls, and that mobs had weird rubber band aggro that caused them to disengage if you got too far away.

So what is classic in terms of pulling lots of mobs?

I'm curious how bards AoE kited and charm kited if there are limits into how many mobs a person can aggro or if mobs only hold rubber band aggro?

Internet connections disrupting pulls seems the most plausible to me, but I'd like to see evidence of the others.

Just search "bard AE kite nadox" or "shakerpage".

Again, I never had issues pulling huge swarms at any stage in game.

The "max 4 agro" mobs was a zone-specific thing, I think it was in Plane of Valor, and that zone with the giant armors, also in PoP. It was not present in plane of fire.

It was retroactively added to those select few zones, somewhere after PoP release. Zero to do with classic.

[skipdog]

So these guys were happy to AE 25 mobs at once.

Let's do some quick math. Every time you cast on a mob, the server must send that message to every PC in the vicinity ("xxx is stunned by scintillating colors" etc). Let's make some assumptions: 2 enchanters casting 1 spell every 2 seconds, 2 wizards casting 1 spell every 6 seconds. That's 1.3 spells per second. With 150 mobs, that's 200 messages per second. If each message is 64 bytes (reasonable with protocol overhead), that's 12.8KB/s of bandwidth for spell messages alone, let alone the position packets etc. Meanwhile a 56kbps modem can handle only 7KB/s of bandwidth.

TL;DR: Chardok AE proved nonclassic

Are you so retarded that you don't even realize that there was cable and DSL when Kunark was out?

[Arteker]

O how time forgets...TMO releveling all the L60s that got deleveled to 51 via skyfire AOE back when that was still a thing. If a guild would like to point fingers at AE leveling, TMO is the last to call anyone out.

back then u where not even 50 or in bda at all u where in vessica wich together ib was the most hammered guild with people deleved .
our buddy kmorrax amongs them , do you miss our hs groups?.

[derpcake]

I remember AE kiting the crap out of nadox as a bard to gain AA & PL guildies, when a nerf to it was announced.

Of course I forgot the specifics of the nerf, but it was after LoY, I'd guess 2004 or later. At first they nerfed the PoP AA that increased song range on AE songs to no longer affect those songs, but it didn't matter.

Since EQlive zones were hosted together on the server, for different play servers, 5 people on different servers kiting in the same zone, would make that zone lag on every servers.

Is how it was explained to me anyway :)

[Arteker]

Thats some misinformation you are trying to spread. Really justles my rimmies.

The bolded bit doesn't work.

Plenty of bards AE kited Nadox, that lasted until 2006 or something?

Shakerpaging also worked, had zero problem training 120 mobs in nadox solo. Again, that was 2006-2007.

http://www.goberserker.com/forums/printthread.php?t=3569&pp=40

More proof can easily be found. Stop posting shit.

he is after the temporal and broken fixt they attemped in end pop to stop bards kite whole halls of honor and make 67 aas per kite.

[Rhuma7]

As someone who did a fair bit of chardok AEing on my wizard, it can be a very frustrating experience for people waiting on the list and those in charge of the list can change things as they see fit, as I had people do that were in my guild... He was black listed from chardok for being a selfish asshole.

For all parties involved, don't sink to the levels of said asshole, if you love this server, don't shoot yourself in the foot, you never know who will be your guildee in the future. Also, you wouldn't want that to happen to you...wait all fucking day on a list to be told NOPE.

If you have a 60 and want to level another character, especially a hybrid, do not sabotage chardok AEing, you'll regret it in the future, one way or another.

While I was in chardok, the people capable of filling the necessary roles were their own guild. You see the same people, day in, day out and those people help make it all even possible.

If you need something from chardok and have a group willing to camp it, you should have no problem asking for it. 9/10 times you'll have no problem and in all reality, get help doing it by the chardok AE groups.

The faster you get your items, the faster you'll leave, helping everyone involved. Just use your words, ladies and gentlemen.

[Rais]

Thats some misinformation you are trying to spread. Really justles my rimmies.

The bolded bit doesn't work.

Plenty of bards AE kited Nadox, that lasted until 2006 or something?

Shakerpaging also worked, had zero problem training 120 mobs in nadox solo. Again, that was 2006-2007.

http://www.goberserker.com/forums/printthread.php?t=3569&pp=40

More proof can easily be found. Stop posting shit.

That's great. I also stated you can have more than 4 mobs agro on you. They just took turns hitting you and going into a sleep state. I use to do AOE groups all the time on live. Thus why wizards could quad kite etc.

There was a mechanic that didn't allow mobs to be rooted, or hit you by more than 3 mobs at one time. The being hit thing really didn't matter in a train since as soon as one npc hit you, the next one was up to hit you. So pretty much they all could, just they had a instant sleep period to stop while others had their chance.

It also seemed like this mechanic was null once more than one person was agro, and this is why aoe pullers had to be healed to get all the mobs there.

No misinformation provided.So relax your jimmys and find a new internet meme to project your anger.

[Grimjaw]

if they are training the entire zone, and you decide to tag royals into the train, is that considered helping the AOE group?

[skipdog]

So we all get that the OP was an asshole to the GMs and doesn't deserve even the tiniest bit of help for his inability to behave like a normal rational human being.. but what I'm curious about is... did any of the AEers get suspensions?

Regardless of what else happened, it seems clear that some suspensions should be going out to some of the AEers who blatantly disregarded the rules and intentionally trained some others.

Did they really not get penalized at all for all of the blatant rule breaking?

[Raev]

Are you so retarded that you don't even realize that there was cable and DSL when Kunark was out?

https://www.ncta.com/platform/broadband-internet/a-shared-history-of-web-browsers-and-broadband-speed-slideshow/

So for our current timeline approximately 10M Americans had broadband. That's about 4%. Lets not forget the fact that the backbone was worse too, that CPUs were slower, so and and so forth. There is a reason all of the posts Ele is digging up show the AOE groups getting 20-30 mobs at a time, not 130.

[Bazia]

no

[skipdog]

https://www.ncta.com/platform/broadband-internet/a-shared-history-of-web-browsers-and-broadband-speed-slideshow/

So for our current timeline approximately 10M Americans had broadband. That's about 4%. Lets not forget the fact that the backbone was worse too, that CPUs were slower, so and and so forth. There is a reason all of the posts Ele is digging up show the AOE groups getting 20-30 mobs at a time, not 130.

lol backpedal more bro

[getsome]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/11-28-2014/5kw8Cq.gif (http://www.makeagif.com/5kw8Cq)

[Trashbank]

So we all get that the OP was an asshole to the GMs and doesn't deserve even the tiniest bit of help for his inability to behave like a normal rational human being.. but what I'm curious about is... did any of the AEers get suspensions?

Regardless of what else happened, it seems clear that some suspensions should be going out to some of the AEers who blatantly disregarded the rules and intentionally trained some others.

Did they really not get penalized at all for all of the blatant rule breaking?

nope, 0 penalized for IB.... thats why i do that post, they broken the rules to the big and nobody do nothing.... i want suspension for all of them for 7 days, for all they do in chardok and break the rules in the face of a GM in the zone.

[khanable]

nope, 0 penalized for IB.... thats why i do that post, they broken the rules to the big and nobody do nothing.... i want suspension for all of them for 7 days, for all they do in chardok and break the rules in the face of a GM in the zone.

Do you want 7 day suspensions for the TMO people doing AE that told the IB enchanter to move or die and then proceeded to kill him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzw_GpPjD6U&list=UUTg9XDm2XRs2as7dKTe3Qxw

I'm all for suspension of people who can't play nice in Chardok, but we're going to need to keep it fair here.

[Gimp]

Do you want 7 day suspensions for the TMO people doing AE that told the IB enchanter to move or die and then proceeded to kill him?


Doesn't fit the agenda.

#handsupdonttrain

[Trashbank]

TMO dont make me nothing.... so if you have any problem with TMO use other topic

[khanable]

TMO dont make me nothing.... so if you have any problem with TMO use other topic

I'm going to assume this means "no".

[harnold]

Get used to it, the staff here cater to IB/TMO guilds because they can answer batphones at 5am the fastest.. What makes you think they wouldnt be allowed to train with GMs in the zone?

[zanderklocke]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/11-28-2014/5kw8Cq.gif (http://www.makeagif.com/5kw8Cq)

So my real life face is in a gif now. Hmm.

[Trashbank]

i repeat you, if you have that problem use make a topic, but IB train a group exping in Chardok 2 times, with a GM in the zone. so GM will do something?

[Raev]

What am I thinking making logical arguments to chimpanzees in RNF

[Aviann]

if they are training the entire zone, and you decide to tag royals into the train, is that considered helping the AOE group?

[getsome]

i repeat you, if you have that problem use make a topic, but IB train a group exping in Chardok 2 times, with a GM in the zone. so GM will do something?

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. As the guild leader of IB I feel personally responsible for all our members actions.

I have suspended all participants of this travesty against you from all guild activities on the blue server for the duration of the weekend.

Happy Thanksgiving!

[Rais]

Last I checked the pulls aren't even near the royals. So that is one hell of "tag" to get it in to their pull.

[Velerin]

AE groups were classic and fun. Non traditional groups figuring out way to do stuff. We would pull as much as we could with 1 group. The pull was less about connection speed and more about what 2 sub 60 enchanters could reliably stun lock.
This bastard step child of AE groups that goes on in Chardok was not classic. Having 6 x 60s outside of group farming exp for plvling in this platinum slot machine business. This place gets people so rustled because its dealing with their pp flow (and some think real money to boot). This is the kind of stuff I could see getting plvling for pp banned.

[khanable]

Last I checked the pulls aren't even near the royals. So that is one hell of "tag" to get it in to their pull.

All you'd really need to do is pull korucust out of his room and across the bridge as the pull is going on. Flop and RIP AE group.

[Verenity]

http://i.imgur.com/4j7oQtK.jpg

[Loke]

Ok OP, I'll spell it out for you. AE groups have been going on here for like 2 years now. During that time people have been able to do royals raids, camp betrayer, turn in VP pieces and even exp all while co-existing with the AE group - which is really all that there is in chardok right now. I know because I've done all of those things multiple times, and only once had an issue with the AE group due to bad communication.

Was trashing the list discourteous? Sure. Was it against the rules? No.

But what about the training?!? While yes, maliciously training someone is against the rules, the fact of the matter was there was nothing malicious about the train. They were pulling and you were in the way. That doesn't completely absolve them of blame, and had you played your cards right you probably could have at least gotten them on the GMs naughty list. However the way you handled the situation both in terms of communication with the AE group (eg rolling in and making all sorts of demands instead of working with them to carved out a spot for you to exp) and with the GMs, showed that you were cranky you didn't get a spot in the group and were trying to cause conflict as opposed to trying to find a solution - something the GMs here frown upon.

This isnt some big GM / IB / TMO conspiracy - your just an idiot who wasn't able to handle not getting your way. If you run into issues like this occasionally, they're probably just jerks; if these sort of things happen to you a lot (e.g. AE group & GMs just minutes apart), you're probably the jerk.

[Trashbank]

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. As the guild leader of IB I feel personally responsible for all our members actions.

I have suspended all participants of this travesty against you from all guild activities on the blue server for the duration of the weekend.

Happy Thanksgiving!

its nice how the leader of IB its a big trash.

Happy weekend with your chair and your monitor :D

[Rais]

its nice how the leader of IB its a big trash.

Happy weekend with your chair and your monitor :D

You're trying too hard.
http://i.imgur.com/paSiWon.jpg

[Magnar]

help me? or.... help IB? i dont want after 10h or 12h he force to IB add me to the list, when there.... lol, thta guide only helped IB and IB doing AoE pulls with a group exping... they train us 2 times with that guide its help us.... in the zone..

Lists are for scrubs. I would refuse to keep them when in groups. On live when I was tanking, if the group had a list, I'd sit there until the shitty players got kicked. All a list does is potentially jeopardize a group with trash people.

[Uuruk]

Daddy Rogean enjoying the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ pras chardok.

[freez]

nerdy ass bitches

[Grimjaw]

Ok OP, I'll spell it out for you. AE groups have been going on here for like 2 years now. During that time people have been able to do royals raids, camp betrayer, turn in VP pieces and even exp all while co-existing with the AE group - which is really all that there is in chardok right now. I know because I've done all of those things multiple times, and only once had an issue with the AE group due to bad communication.

Was trashing the list discourteous? Sure. Was it against the rules? No.

But what about the training?!? While yes, maliciously training someone is against the rules, the fact of the matter was there was nothing malicious about the train. They were pulling and you were in the way. That doesn't completely absolve them of blame, and had you played your cards right you probably could have at least gotten them on the GMs naughty list. However the way you handled the situation both in terms of communication with the AE group (eg rolling in and making all sorts of demands instead of working with them to carved out a spot for you to exp) and with the GMs, showed that you were cranky you didn't get a spot in the group and were trying to cause conflict as opposed to trying to find a solution - something the GMs here frown upon.

This isnt some big GM / IB / TMO conspiracy - your just an idiot who wasn't able to handle not getting your way. If you run into issues like this occasionally, they're probably just jerks; if these sort of things happen to you a lot (e.g. AE group & GMs just minutes apart), you're probably the jerk.

a trains a train retard. regardless of the reason. so people training to zone to save their lives is considered malicious? rules say stand there and die.

[Llodd]

OP - may I ask what phone were you using ? (or was it a camera, i smell camera?)

The almost irredescent quality of your shots is brilliant. (better than screenshots imo)

What did you use? I'm dieing to know.

[Llodd]

How would a necro fair entering the zone at offpeak hours to try and solo his way in for the funz ?

Lead balloons anyone?

[Trashbank]

OP - may I ask what phone were you using ? (or was it a camera, i smell camera?)

The almost irredescent quality of your shots is brilliant. (better than screenshots imo)

What did you use? I'm dieing to know.

man i have Iphone 5s, but try to make photo a monitor and that happen, are you happy now? :)

[Loke]

a trains a train retard. regardless of the reason. so people training to zone to save their lives is considered malicious? rules say stand there and die.

Yes, because people are getting suspended on a daily basis for training in unrest, crushbone, CoM, KC , etc. Literally every GM I've dealt with has considered intent when dealing with rule infractions, including training.

[Llodd]

man i have Iphone 5s, but try to make photo a monitor and that happen, are you happy now? :)

Not really; that's not reinforcing my negative view of iphones. crap. (still better than SS tho!)

[Fael]

Clearly this is evidence that this server needs more trains and less csr.

Dolic

[Vyal]

All you'd really need to do is pull korucust out of his room and across the bridge as the pull is going on. Flop and RIP AE group.

Shhhh...
Those unexplained Korocusts are just bad pathing.

[Vyal]

Also we are forming a group up right now. We have a group sitting smack dab in the middle of no place claiming 2 camps each on literally opposite ends of the zone so looks like no AE groups are going.

Umm I can pull around them no problem guys so free proxies to anyone who can bring me some chanters dps and cleric.

[Trashbank]

Not really; that's not reinforcing my negative view of iphones. crap. (still better than SS tho!)

sorry then

[arsenalpow]

ya IB blew chardok AE up about an hour ago because they didn't want monkye to get xp, so they planted themselves on the bridge until monkye agreed to leave, so then a different group parked themselves at the ent

fun times

[Mendo]

Make your own AE group and be faster...

[triad]

why "should" it be for all? no other group system is open to the public when it comes to repping people/... if you dont like what they are doing go camp mobs in the zone ..damn commie

[Misek84]

The reason it should be open to all is because its not a regular group, it takes up basically the whole zone. As for your comment that if I don't like them making it exclusive to people form one guild I should go camp mobs in the zone, that's basically what I did lol

[khanable]

how about just banning chardok ae


mmmkay

[brecon]

I feel your sense of injustice...but you're being a rules lawyer on chardok. We all know what chardok is, and you basically tattled on them because you were mad that they didn't want you.

You've basically opened a pandora's box that if someone isn't put on chardok group, they can go camp a single mob and hold the entire chardok aoe operation hostage.

So...yeah, don't look for sympathy.

[Misek84]

I understand its a Pandora's box but its not that they didn't want me specifically they just didn't want anyone outside of IB. There were a lot of other people on the list from various guilds who got dropped from the list. I just took a stand. Not really looking for sympathy but if everyone thinks I'm the asshole ill drop this and this server can concede a whole zone to one guild so they cant lvl their alt army.

In all honesty Im done with this, fought it for one day not really looking to do it again another.

(btw sorry for starting a new thread but was logged in to Mastere843 and didn't noticed. Made post when this all went down but it didn't post until now because had to be checked by GM first since that account hasn't had posts)

[Bboboo]

http://i.imgur.com/axUzV67.jpg

[Vyal]

we need 1 good enchanter Misek theres still 1 spot open just send me a tell and get here in the next 18 min if ya want in.

[Troubled]

I feel your sense of injustice...but you're being a rules lawyer on chardok. We all know what chardok is, and you basically tattled on them because you were mad that they didn't want you.

You've basically opened a pandora's box that if someone isn't put on chardok group, they can go camp a single mob and hold the entire chardok aoe operation hostage.

So...yeah, don't look for sympathy.

List works fine 363 days a year. Every time someone goes and breaks that, it gets noticed. If the group isn't working fairly with what's been accepted by the rest of the server that levels there, sure, they might deserve to have the free exp ride halted for a bit.

The group that denied Misek & Melocoton the other day came and denied Melocoton's alt today. Everyone's pretty much being childish and not doing any of their guild tags justice.

Also, Cucumbers is a classic hating dick.

[Misek84]

Thank you Vyal for the offer, but im done with chardok ae for bit. If I join they will probably just come back and do what they did to me in the morning, im done with the drama

[Gimp]

Misek, you created the drama.

You can act like the victim all you want, but all you've done is given griefers the ability to block Chardok AE anytime they want.

[Misek84]

Gimp,

There has always been griefers and there will be griefers in the future. But to blame me for something some griefer will do in the future is a little ridicules. I was put in a situation created by others where I could have stand up against their unfair action in my eyes or run away. I chose the first option, its as simple as that. If you feel what I did was wrong than that's your right I cant change that.

[feanan]

shut it down. they are rmt pulls.

[QQHARDER]

http://puu.sh/d9rEK/efd0182e47.jpg.
I believe that you have left out key evidence.... tsk tsk.
also the ruling that was initially given in this instance is that the group leader has the right to invite/remove anyone from the party for any reason including the following:
They are being rude.
They are BAD.
They are known to be either of the above.
oh yeah, or for no reason at all.
This is not the AC spawn camp dispute, this is a group. I have led this Chardok AE multiple times and had to kick people for fucking shit up during the pulls. Dont you think they were butthurt because they waited through the list like everyone else?

What this faggot here wants is special treatment. I watched as the members of IB were polite with this fucking mouth breather. Even the GM was fed up with his shit. He was making sure that his "XP/betrayer group" would get aggro from the pulls. theres more than enough mobs down there for all of us and the AE group was ready to concede any camp he wanted.

[Portasaurus]

http://i.imgur.com/axUzV67.jpg

almost spit out my food

[Tasslehofp99]

shut it down. they are rmt pulls.

I seriously doubt that MOST of the people in chardok AoE are involved with RMT. Sure though, there are probably those that are involved with it who regularly do chardok AoE as it is an easy way to generate platinum.

I would shut it down on the basis that there is no proof that it is classic to be able to pull 100+ mobs in kunark era with 1 group or so of people. Sure, AE groups did exist on live but they were raid type situations and not single groups. Especially if you planned on pulling most of the zone in 1 shot, you deffinetly needed 5-6 enchanters just to keep them all locked down because every other mob would resist your PB AOE stuns on live.

[Kushie]

how about just banning chardok ae


mmmkay


^

[Juevento]

I seriously doubt that MOST of the people in chardok AoE are involved with RMT. Sure though, there are probably those that are involved with it who regularly do chardok AoE as it is an easy way to generate platinum.

I doubt most of the people doing casinos were RMTing but they got banned...

You have to end Chardok AoE groups if you are serious about getting rid of RMT.

[Mead]

RMT makes me lol every time I hear it. Dudes are acting like these guys are multimillionaires from plat. Last guy who posted his 3 years worth of logs he was RMTing made as much as a full time McDonald's employee makes in a month. I'm sure the main guys doing chardok are under the microscope by management as well.

[Ravager]

You idiots should be AEing Kedge anyway for double exp.

[Vyal]

Its fun and easy plus people dont use the zone.
Did you ever consider that's why people do it?

[Raev]

how about just banning chardok ae

[Fame]

http://tvsourcemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/20131212-155458.jpg
http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/108219739-man-on-a-ledge-looking-down-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=omPc%2Bmt8Ta8aYYEMAj1a4lMxSK39MuVI8A1ctgS%2BWWM% 3D

[teija]

What this faggot here wants is special treatment. I watched as the members of IB were polite with this fucking mouth breather. Even the GM was fed up with his shit. He was making sure that his "XP/betrayer group" would get aggro from the pulls. theres more than enough mobs down there for all of us and the AE group was ready to concede any camp he wanted.

Im sure there were some communication issues in this situation, but i dont think he was wanting special treatment, I think he did not want the IB douchebags to thro the list out the window and cockblock everyone that had been waiting 6+ hrs. I understand that whoever is leading the group has a right to invite/disband whoever they want, but there are unwritten rules in chardok and everyone knows them. Fuck with chardok and chardok gona fuck with joo.

[Nivar Quartz]

I don't know anyone in TMO who had to relevel their 60's. Sounds like BDA still holding into the past. The rustle is real.

Well ur wrong, all 3 guilds that took the biggest hits recouped with the SF AE groups mainly, afk leveling between day and night crews. I doubt you could see it from Oasis or the forums though.

[Sirken]

http://std3.ru/38/a1/1413388213-38a13fefff133ebdfc3dfe58ea50e84e.gif

[Nivar Quartz]

And the earlier statement was correct, a shit ton of BDA " now 60's " are AE Chardok born and leveled, I'd bet half are new mains in all ur other guilds congrats.

[kotton05]

Well ur wrong, all 3 guilds that took the biggest hits recouped with the SF AE groups mainly, afk leveling between day and night crews. I doubt you could see it from Oasis or the forums though.

That was ages ago... I'm not saying it didn't happen

[Misek84]

http://puu.sh/d9rEK/efd0182e47.jpg.
I believe that you have left out key evidence.... tsk tsk.
also the ruling that was initially given in this instance is that the group leader has the right to invite/remove anyone from the party for any reason including the following:
They are being rude.
They are BAD.
They are known to be either of the above.
oh yeah, or for no reason at all.
This is not the AC spawn camp dispute, this is a group. I have led this Chardok AE multiple times and had to kick people for fucking shit up during the pulls. Dont you think they were butthurt because they waited through the list like everyone else?

What this faggot here wants is special treatment. I watched as the members of IB were polite with this fucking mouth breather. Even the GM was fed up with his shit. He was making sure that his "XP/betrayer group" would get aggro from the pulls. theres more than enough mobs down there for all of us and the AE group was ready to concede any camp he wanted.
Wow you guys are amazing how you can twist things around. Moregan was talking about monkye, not me. Granted he went a bit overboard in what he told Moregan and that was the reason he got banned. I was more than polite of my handling of the situation, just check with the GMs or i can provide logs. Now u gonna post a screenshot and try to make it look like she was talking about me. Just wow

[Moregan]

http://i.imgur.com/xGKIu00.jpg

http://s18.postimg.org/u9irudjxl/20141128_110335.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/T8f9Ryz.jpg

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/11-28-2014/5kw8Cq.gif (http://www.makeagif.com/5kw8Cq)

i love you people

[zanderklocke]

If none of you want to deal with chardok drama, buy my bard power levels! Half the cost for the same amount of experience up through level 55!

:D

[Tuljin]

Chardok AOE sucks

It really attracts the most shining examples of P99 Blue douchebaggery/nubbery/whining/rule lawyering

It floods our already overpopulated high-level population with even more level 60 toons that cant play their way out of a 3-mob encounter

Its classic - but know what's not classic? 4GB video cards and quad core processors.

[Uuruk]

Chardok AOE sucks

It really attracts the most shining examples of P99 Blue douchebaggery/nubbery/whining/rule lawyering

It floods our already overpopulated high-level population with even more level 60 toons that cant play their way out of a 3-mob encounter

Its classic - but know what's not classic? 4GB video cards and quad core processors.

Not classic.

[Snagglepuss]

#wipeitclean

[greenblze420]

how the fk do they allow aoeing and all this other bullshit becuz its "classic" but we cant box... 2boxing is just as classic as any other bullshit rules they enforce for the reason of "its classic" complete bullshit if u ask me but since you arent im telling you

[Ravager]

how the fk do they allow aoeing and all this other bullshit becuz its "classic" but we cant box... 2boxing is just as classic as any other bullshit rules they enforce for the reason of "its classic" complete bullshit if u ask me but since you arent im telling you

/auc WTS JBoots 50k.

[Aviann]

how the fk do they allow aoeing and all this other bullshit becuz its "classic" but we cant box... 2boxing is just as classic as any other bullshit rules they enforce for the reason of "its classic" complete bullshit if u ask me but since you arent im telling you

Classic Everquest wasn't free or easy to make hundreds of accounts on either, just sayin'.

[aborted]

Just gonna throw this out there, red doesn't have this issue... just kill whoever is in chardok = profit.