View Full Version : any eta on when red come back up ?
pickanother
12-02-2014, 07:27 AM
we need pvp ! come needs to come back up must protect kc =)
Some time this tuesday, hoping for a first thing in the morning kind of deal but that is probably doubtful. Oh well, they had their reasons for doin it, I'm sure most of us are down as fuck with red99 anyway, pras it.
Smedy
12-02-2014, 07:45 AM
tuesday next week i was told
Lasher
12-02-2014, 08:26 AM
Hi smedy
LulzSect
12-02-2014, 08:34 AM
After the wipe
Tassador
12-02-2014, 08:45 AM
They accidentally wiped red and are trying to recover it, which will happen but could lead into the weekend. We still love you rogaine you sir are amazing.
Sirken
12-02-2014, 11:08 AM
after yesterdays display of mental retardation, id be in favor of keeping red down until velious comes out.
we asked you nerds to beta test velious content, and instead you log in to beta and act like part of your brain has been forcibly removed from your skulls.
there is absolutely no reason why i should have had to ban 4 red99 accounts due to 4 morons doing stupid shit on beta. you guys look like f'ing retards, and youre making the pvp server look just as bad.
Nirgon
12-02-2014, 11:12 AM
Yeah it was a few people that I have ignore on red and do now in the beta
I don't know who all it was but I agree Agatha and company could not shut up in ooc or stop making characters to agree with themselves
Keep THEM suspended till beta
Sirken
12-02-2014, 11:14 AM
Keep THEM suspended till beta
its cute that you think i suspended them
Korrupt
12-02-2014, 11:14 AM
why would you think red players would get along with blue at all
SamwiseRed
12-02-2014, 11:14 AM
name and shame sirken. may my buffs never touch them!
Nirgon
12-02-2014, 11:14 AM
Nothing about it was cute
You should have
I logged out instead of arguing with them and continuing the ooc pollution, you're welcome!
https://drawception.com/pub/panels/2012/11-12/eeTLXLgbr1-10.png
Pikrib
12-02-2014, 11:23 AM
its cute that you think i suspended them
So what happened? I only spent about a hour and a half on beta.
Dis_Still_Mornin
12-02-2014, 11:24 AM
Not a clue what happened agree with you sirken.. beta testing should bring people together for theater good of getting velious out... But honestly you know this population and you are surprised we would shit up ooc or beta or any type of server event ?
Andis
12-02-2014, 11:24 AM
ban the retards who are retards
let the rest play
we are itching
JESUS FUCK OPEN RED
Bazia
12-02-2014, 11:25 AM
I'm glad I decided to just log off instead of going full redtard when I felt the urges coming
SamwiseRed
12-02-2014, 11:26 AM
i have a confession. a few nights ago on beta i asked some druid if i could OT hammer off him. I didnt think he would fall for it but sure enough he dueled me. I beat him down until he died BUT i did apologize afterwards.
i am sorry.
aborted
12-02-2014, 11:27 AM
Not fair to punish the whole for a few bad apples.
Andis
12-02-2014, 11:28 AM
WHAT IS THIS MADNESS
I NEED TO FUCKING EQ
FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
ClubnRed
12-02-2014, 11:30 AM
after yesterdays display of mental retardation, id be in favor of keeping red down until velious comes out.
we asked you nerds to beta test velious content, and instead you log in to beta and act like part of your brain has been forcibly removed from your skulls.
there is absolutely no reason why i should have had to ban 4 red99 accounts due to 4 morons doing stupid shit on beta. you guys look like f'ing retards, and youre making the pvp server look just as bad.
Seems to be about 10 people on the server who have always consistently caused drama ect. Hopefully you got one of them, or a couple.
Nirgon
12-02-2014, 11:31 AM
I NEED TO FUCKING EQ
Starting to like Andis today
SamwiseRed
12-02-2014, 11:31 AM
WHAT IS THIS MADNESS
I NEED TO FUCKING EQ
FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
andis i like you but im not sure you are ready for this patch brother. classic buff stacking and classic hit boxes gonna hurt ya pal. also you better not be griefing people in MM with a fungi twink. you are better than that.
Pseudechis
12-02-2014, 11:32 AM
I hope you're trolling Andis. It's two days people keep calm. Plus hopefully everyone got a beer advent calendar from their missus so it helps .
Royals anyone?
It's a free service so really trolling gms and being pests on the beta is pretty counterproductive to your cause.
Bazia
12-02-2014, 11:33 AM
any post other then the names of who got banned at this point is a waste of time
shit thread
ClubnRed
12-02-2014, 11:33 AM
ban the retards who are retards
let the rest play
we are itching
JESUS FUCK OPEN RED
This!
Punish the people who need it, remove the toxic trash. Pretty sure the only reason red has its reputation is because
theres probably a little clique of people who have always played together who think they run things who basically gave the server its rep by.. doing stuff like
what you saw on beta and worse im sure. griefing, trash talk, lots of those certain people are
just plain negative and rude in all ways no matter who you are or how you come at them.
Dis_Still_Mornin
12-02-2014, 11:35 AM
Please keep box down longer... At this rate Andis will implode by early afternoon.
Bazia
12-02-2014, 11:35 AM
what did the guys on red do that was so bad
Widan
12-02-2014, 11:36 AM
Seems to be about 10 people on the server who have always consistently caused drama ect. Hopefully you got one of them, or a couple.
The problem is these people just make a new account and keep playing. People who get their account banned should be ban on sight on all future accounts.
SamwiseRed
12-02-2014, 11:37 AM
id love to see a list of all the level 50-60 characters banned on red.
Sirken
12-02-2014, 11:37 AM
Nothing about it was cute
You should have
I logged out instead of arguing with them and continuing the ooc pollution, you're welcome!
you missed my point.
i said i banned people.
you said keep them suspended.
i said no one was suspended.
<3
after yesterdays display of mental retardation, id be in favor of keeping red down until velious comes out.
we asked you nerds to beta test velious content, and instead you log in to beta and act like part of your brain has been forcibly removed from your skulls.
there is absolutely no reason why i should have had to ban 4 red99 accounts due to 4 morons doing stupid shit on beta. you guys look like f'ing retards, and youre making the pvp server look just as bad.
Sirken It's not fair to clump red to the actions of a few fuck ups. When you do that you put off a similar vibe that red is a bad place.
There was a post from a bunch of people who tried red for the first time and they all said they are making the move to red and leaving blue. That's because most of our community is helpful, friendly and fun to play with.
letsjoe
12-02-2014, 11:38 AM
after yesterdays display of mental retardation, id be in favor of keeping red down until velious comes out.
we asked you nerds to beta test velious content, and instead you log in to beta and act like part of your brain has been forcibly removed from your skulls.
there is absolutely no reason why i should have had to ban 4 red99 accounts due to 4 morons doing stupid shit on beta. you guys look like f'ing retards, and youre making the pvp server look just as bad.
sirken always good for a hardy chuckle
Mac Drettj
12-02-2014, 11:38 AM
as if any gm action could suprise the red community
keep on NOT keeping on
ClubnRed
12-02-2014, 11:40 AM
Sirken It's not fair to clump red to the actions of a few fuck ups. When you do that you put off a similar vibe that red is a bad place.
There was a post from a bunch of people who tried red for the first time and they all said they are making the move to red and leaving blue. That's because most of our community is helpful, friendly and fun to play with.
Its true, i was on Club my druid for hours and hours buffing people porting, constantly giving plat away. As well as quite a few others from the server. Its good to see a good part of the red community isnt toxic and is willing to help and give to help promote the server population.
for real tho on that eta, let a pal know
aborted
12-02-2014, 11:41 AM
Sirken It's not fair to clump red to the actions of a few fuck ups. When you do that you put off a similar vibe that red is a bad place.
There was a post from a bunch of people who tried red for the first time and they all said they are making the move to red and leaving blue. That's because most of our community is helpful, friendly and fun to play with.
yep
Nirgon
12-02-2014, 11:45 AM
you missed my point.
i said i banned people.
you said keep them suspended.
i said no one was suspended.
<3
You "ban" people for a week tho so the terminology u kno?
Hope you aren't rustled at all of us, I actually had some extremely cooperative red pals sit and cast spell after spell after spell on me at different resist ranges.
Big shout out to Ajax and da Hamburgler.
Mac Drettj
12-02-2014, 11:47 AM
"hey, i know weve never supported your box, answered your petitions, bug threads, or provided any volunteer support, but if you'd go ahead and show up on the weekend and help us beta test some blue content and mechanics that'd be greatttttt..... oh yah, just use /duel to test pvp, i don't see the difference. If you act like your a pvp player and run around dueling people we will call you retards and ban you"
http://i.qkme.me/3q5hx4.jpg
Sirken
12-02-2014, 11:47 AM
naw naw
bans are perma, suspensions are temp
Bazia
12-02-2014, 11:49 AM
i hope u got some retards who deserved it
Sirken
12-02-2014, 11:49 AM
"hey, i know weve never supported your box, answered your petitions, bug threads, or provided any volunteer support, but if you'd go ahead and show up on the weekend and help us beta test some blue content and mechanics that'd be greatttttt..... oh yah, just use /duel to test pvp, i don't see the difference. If you act like your a pvp player and run around dueling people we will call you retards and ban you"
http://i.qkme.me/3q5hx4.jpg
srs?
we never supported the server? we dont answer petitions or volunteer time to red?
i honestly cant tell if youre trolling me, or if you suffered a traumatic head injury and should be seeking medical attention.
Nirgon
12-02-2014, 11:50 AM
Aight we kew Sirk.
You gotta level with me here.... your post there with the green name n all throwin' sand... some of the GOOD PALS on red are trying to boost pop and keep shit in tells instead of ooc.
I for one wish someone would just cozy up in their computer chair with their beverage or substance of choice for a day and just hand out week suspensions to ooc violators one night a week until people learn to not be stupid. I'd be glad to do it personally, and would take a ban on all my accounts if there was just ONE instance of me being biased handing one out. Heck... I'll compile a list with screenshots of prof and you decide. OOC has gotta calm down and its less than 20 people I'd say shitting it up. I am aware /ignore works and my ooc on red is pretty clear as a result... but WHAT can I/we do to help the other people who choose not to use ignore, get mad and leave the box?
Retti you're blaming the wrong guy if you're wanting the OK on item restores or something. Trust me.
Andis
12-02-2014, 11:51 AM
andis i like you but im not sure you are ready for this patch brother. classic buff stacking and classic hit boxes gonna hurt ya pal. also you better not be griefing people in MM with a fungi twink. you are better than that.
explain the buff stacking exactly
is it just if there is an open slot, the next casted buff will go up front? If so this isnt a problem for the andis, cuz he remains full buffs at all times.
hit boxes smaller? doesnt matter to the andis, he is a god among men at everquest he will still own you at jousting for he is the chosen one.
and yes kingandis has invaded mistmoore for all the angry wolves (nihi followers) and for the new comers to get a taste of what red is like.
long live pvp
long live yt
end the zerg 2015
small crews rule the rest drool
ClubnRed
12-02-2014, 11:53 AM
srs?
we never supported the server? we dont answer petitions or volunteer time to red?
i honestly cant tell if youre trolling me, or if you suffered a traumatic head injury and should be seeking medical attention.
I've had to petition a couple times over very minor stuff on red and was ALWAYS answered without a couple hours at most.
quido
12-02-2014, 11:54 AM
who got banned?
SamwiseRed
12-02-2014, 11:56 AM
explain the buff stacking exactly
is it just if there is an open slot, the next casted buff will go up front? If so this isnt a problem for the andis, cuz he remains full buffs at all times.
hit boxes smaller? doesnt matter to the andis, he is a god among men at everquest he will still own you at jousting for he is the chosen one.
bro we know your buff stack is your life blood. fuck with that and andis it outta here. one thing people can do (assuming you have slots open up top) is recast a buff you already have on you. itll remove the buff where you have it and send it to the front. yes you can just click it off but as you can see its not just dots and debuffs that can flood your top slot. in a way, I guess its not that big of a change if you constantly maintain it but for lazy people, they are gonna get caught slipping even more. one possibility is somoene going full retard and casting a good buff on you such as mr or skin throwing it at the front.
in any case it changes the meta a little. I look forward to seeing its impact.
Mac Drettj
12-02-2014, 11:57 AM
srs?
we never supported the server we dont answer petitions or volunteer time to red
SamwiseRed
12-02-2014, 11:57 AM
retti u get banned dude? you seem a little on the offense.
Velium
12-02-2014, 11:57 AM
Not fair to punish the whole for a few bad apples.
This.
ETA please.
Genedin
12-02-2014, 11:59 AM
who got banned?
Lol I think you nailed it sam. later dirt bag. You say they did nothing for you yet the box exists.... mind blown amirght?
Korrupt
12-02-2014, 12:03 PM
as if any gm action could suprise the red community
keep on NOT keeping on
Mac Drettj
12-02-2014, 12:03 PM
retti u get banned dude? you seem a little on the offense.
No, why would I be banned? I abide by the rules and promote server health. I'm just responding to Sirkens egotistical, unprofessional posts where he calls everyone retards.
Also Kraz = Brysn, the pea-brained whiner
PixelFrenzy
12-02-2014, 12:06 PM
I don't know about that week or less response time.
Posted LnS violation with clear proof 2 weeks ago.
http://i.imgur.com/9ZE1wJD.png
Not that I really care, but let's not get crazy with these numbers.
SamwiseRed
12-02-2014, 12:06 PM
i wont deny that red needs a dedicated guide with a beard but not sirkens fault. wish i could help but rogean said my midichlorian count was too low.
one day samwise will ascend to become the guide red needs, ive dreamt it.
nilzark
12-02-2014, 12:07 PM
Reminds me of the days the live server would go offline and people would be trying to log in every 5 seconds until they got carpal tunnel syndrome. At least we have a status on the home page here.
letsjoe
12-02-2014, 12:07 PM
after yesterdays display of mental retardation, id be in favor of keeping red down until velious comes out.
we asked you nerds to beta test velious content, and instead you log in to beta and act like part of your brain has been forcibly removed from your skulls.
there is absolutely no reason why i should have had to ban 4 red99 accounts due to 4 morons doing stupid shit on beta. you guys look like f'ing retards, and youre making the pvp server look just as bad.
think this needed another quote, very professional post, still laughing
Nirgon
12-02-2014, 12:07 PM
I hope Sirken also realizes that getting rid of 20 bad apples can increase the server pop by 100. Shit's proven :).
SamwiseRed
12-02-2014, 12:08 PM
I don't know about that week or less response time.
Posted LnS violation with clear proof 2 weeks ago.
http://i.imgur.com/9ZE1wJD.png
Not that I really care, but let's not get crazy with these numbers.
LNS can be dealt with by players, especially if you are a low level. ooc for someone to come help. i know i will. i mean what do you want them to do, ban someone for being an asshole? name and shame, let the community take care of what it can.
Dis_Still_Mornin
12-02-2014, 12:08 PM
Perma banning little excessive for something that happens on a beta.... Guess I'm in the minority on this one since this community is obsessed with preying on the misery of others.
Tekay
12-02-2014, 12:08 PM
I did a TON of work last night dueling people in NRO. There were some recent changes to PvP and how the mechanics work. I fraps'd about 5 hours of game play. My fucking fingers felt like there were bleeding by the end of it.
I did this because I saw a great opportunity to duel people without consequences. Everyone was into it and I tried to fight every class that was up for it.
If this is material that I should not have been testing, as a PvP minded individual, who cares about how PvP will be rolled-out come Velious, then I won't post the footage.
Bare in mind that many of my duels were interrupted by Blue characters trolling fights and healing/buffing. It's a double edged sword, we got retards on both sides. All I'm saying.
Let me know if you and your team want the footage Sirken, as I will then put some time and work into editing it and post comments to help aid the development of PvP.
sotto
12-02-2014, 12:12 PM
sirken you look really pathetic and your posts make me cringe, i don't understand why you behave the way you do tbh.
Korrupt
12-02-2014, 12:14 PM
sirken you look really pathetic and your posts make me cringe, i don't understand why you behave the way you do tbh.
ya foreal, gm's always got that im a GM fuck u scrub attitude quick to bash a whole community over a few idiots in blue ooc
Widan
12-02-2014, 12:15 PM
I hope Sirken also realizes that getting rid of 20 bad apples can increase the server pop by 100. Shit's proven :).
The problem is these players just switch accounts and forum accounts, or reroll. I mean look at Gaffin who continues to shit up threads under forum account Korrupt non stop since his main account was banned with no repercussions. These people need to have all their accounts and forum accounts banned, and if you catch wind of them rerolling ban their new accounts as well.
ClubnRed
12-02-2014, 12:16 PM
+1 for IP bans
SamwiseRed
12-02-2014, 12:16 PM
dont think IP bans work anymore.
Korrupt
12-02-2014, 12:17 PM
what are you talking about i have said nothing illegal, besides that how many people u see say im a junkie felon and talk about my RL every thread when i mention nothing of it?
they dont get punished but im not running around reporting them ethier like some mads do
cutie
12-02-2014, 12:19 PM
sirken you look really pathetic and your posts make me cringe, i don't understand why you behave the way you do tbh.
treat ppl how you wanna be treated. ppl are such jerks to sirken and hes a good dude. dont forget the ppl who run the server are volunteers, they have the authority to just shut it all down. ppl need to learn respect. tbh you guys shud probably be kissing sirken's butt.
Mac Drettj
12-02-2014, 12:21 PM
rather not
ClubnRed
12-02-2014, 12:22 PM
I could understand if a GM is not answering your petitions in a timely manners, some of you are plain babys and not very bright when it comes to this game. learn to have FUN a bit more and you wont have to petition all the time.
You guys put more effort into arguing and talking crap then you do anything else.
Pikrib
12-02-2014, 12:25 PM
sirken you look really pathetic and your posts make me cringe, i don't understand why you behave the way you do tbh.
ya foreal, gm's always got that im a GM fuck u scrub attitude quick to bash a whole community over a few idiots in blue ooc
You retards should go cry in RnF.
The problem is these players just switch accounts and forum accounts, or reroll. I mean look at Gaffin who continues to shit up threads under forum account Korrupt non stop since his main account was banned with no repercussions. These people need to have all their accounts and forum accounts banned, and if you catch wind of them rerolling ban their new accounts as well.
This^^^
cutie
12-02-2014, 12:25 PM
^^
Genedin
12-02-2014, 12:27 PM
LNS can be dealt with by players, especially if you are a low level. ooc for someone to come help. i know i will. i mean what do you want them to do, ban someone for being an asshole? name and shame, let the community take care of what it can.
Oh simple Sam....Why should we have police officers put people in jail for violent crimes? I'm sure the community can just tell them how poorly they behaved and they will never do it again right?
What is the point of having rules if they are not enforced?
Bazia
12-02-2014, 12:30 PM
sirken is the tops
period
Kergan
12-02-2014, 12:31 PM
So who got banned
Sirken
12-02-2014, 12:34 PM
sirken you look really pathetic and your posts make me cringe, i don't understand why you behave the way you do tbh.
i will immediately cease all my actions and reflect upon the choices ive made. thank you for bringing this to my attention and helping me to better my life.
SamwiseRed
12-02-2014, 12:35 PM
Oh simple Sam....Why should we have police officers put people in jail for violent crimes? I'm sure the community can just tell them how poorly they behaved and they will never do it again right?
What is the point of having rules if they are not enforced?
that is not what i am saying though. what kind of LNS violation was it? did he kill you on a CR once then log? then he corpse camp you for days? could you have easily gotten help? not every rule violation needs gm intervention. that is why we are on red in the first place. if someone doesnt let me LNS id either get help or log for a few. only if they were sitting on my corpse for days would I bother petitioning. i dunno maybe i am just simple sam but reporting every crime you see is beyond retarded.
next time you are doing 56 in a 55 i hope you go to jail. jk man i dont want you to go to jail but reporting every broken rule isnt always the best answer. also relating LNS violation to violent crimes, naw.
Genedin
12-02-2014, 12:38 PM
Physics to a dung beetle.
vouss
12-02-2014, 12:42 PM
4 / 300 people, keep red SHUT DOWN
daasgoot
12-02-2014, 12:49 PM
why did people get banned?
played beta for 4 hours /dueling last night.. was actually pretty fun. Found out how bad i am at melee pvp.
Andis
12-02-2014, 12:54 PM
dasgoot great avatar
I can pras dat
Buzzed Killer
12-02-2014, 12:55 PM
ya foreal, gm's always got that im a GM fuck u scrub attitude quick to bash a whole community over a few idiots in blue ooc
I bet free dope from them would make you happy though.
Junky felon...
Aesop
12-02-2014, 01:06 PM
its cute that you think i suspended them
I think lots of toxic players should go. I don't mean low level pkers or smallmee or anything I just mean people that are toxic for the community. That is a tough call, but it sounds like maybe you guys are still dealing with some of the same pieces of shit we have dealt with in all the boxes.
Whatever happened to that guy who would DDOS one of the garage box iterations?
Man I have played too much EQ in my life.
IDK
slizzy
12-02-2014, 01:10 PM
Are corpses 'frozen' while the server is down? Thinking of things like sky key corpses...
Nirgon
12-02-2014, 01:12 PM
The good news is if red starts regularly breaking 300 in Velious we won't need global OOC!
Maybe city OOC can get figured out again after Velious and the million other to do's.
Andis
12-02-2014, 01:13 PM
you will always need global ooc
and this buff fix is garbage
way to make eq more annoying
shits dumb
Smedy
12-02-2014, 01:14 PM
after yesterdays display of mental retardation, id be in favor of keeping red down until velious comes out.
we asked you nerds to beta test velious content, and instead you log in to beta and act like part of your brain has been forcibly removed from your skulls.
there is absolutely no reason why i should have had to ban 4 red99 accounts due to 4 morons doing stupid shit on beta. you guys look like f'ing retards, and youre making the pvp server look just as bad.
pras
Tameth
12-02-2014, 01:22 PM
i have a confession. a few nights ago on beta i asked some druid if i could OT hammer off him. I didnt think he would fall for it but sure enough he dueled me. I beat him down until he died BUT i did apologize afterwards.
i am sorry.
http://i.imgur.com/GI6bSoi.gif
Tameth
12-02-2014, 01:24 PM
explain the buff stacking exactly
is it just if there is an open slot, the next casted buff will go up front? If so this isnt a problem for the andis, cuz he remains full buffs at all times.
this buff fix is garbage
way to make eq more annoying
shits dumb
Tassador
12-02-2014, 01:26 PM
Bans were justified keep thoses Fire Giants in the banned position at all times including any rmt and account strippers.
As a red player you have my vote to keep the project down until velious.
Pikrib
12-02-2014, 01:32 PM
The buff issue won't be a problem for Andis. He demands fresh cleric buffs even when he has 30 min left on them. The pell change should only remove Andis's weakest buffs which will be his clickies.
Pudge
12-02-2014, 01:36 PM
after yesterdays display of mental retardation, id be in favor of keeping red down until velious comes out.
we asked you nerds to beta test velious content, and instead you log in to beta and act like part of your brain has been forcibly removed from your skulls.
there is absolutely no reason why i should have had to ban 4 red99 accounts due to 4 morons doing stupid shit on beta. you guys look like f'ing retards, and youre making the pvp server look just as bad.
Pls wipe it clean. That'll show those scum who's boss.
Samsonite
12-02-2014, 01:39 PM
Pls wipe it clean. That'll show those scum who's boss.
Nirgon
12-02-2014, 01:42 PM
Well as far as red coming back
We just did testing and gave our feed back
Hopefully some things get adjusted that we noted before we get our patch after a year :)
It's going to be really awesome if we can get those tweaks in, saw lots of great duels and skill determining melee vs melee
Tekay
12-02-2014, 01:57 PM
I honestly found the new melee PvP to be very difficult. When clients are lagging towards one another, and you get that sort of jumpy character placement it's VERY difficult to time your joust. This is ever more exaggerated with special abilities like a rogue backstab. I would very rarely eat a backstab, which honestly is a good thing, as I've had some very questionable backstabs land on me in the old mechanics on Red.
Now is this new hitbox a issue? I'm not sure, it absolutely benefited me last night. Killing warriors, rogues, monks and SKs at 50%-100% left for myself (I was using my own character Iksar Monk, so the long fights benefited me).
HIT BOX ASIDE.
The real issue I found was the nerf to melee push. I couldnt stop casters from launching nukes which I was other wise able to do it I played my cards properly, metaphorically.
Now what I'm finding is that I have to get much to close to a caster to even be in range for my attack to land, AND Then by that time, with the nerf to melee push, I cannot interrupt anything. I was using my epic fist with 41% haste belt, and epic haste. Previously, I was able to push someone off a spell if I was landing rounds on a spell greater than 4 seconds. This is not going to be the case anymore if things stay where they are.
I had no response from Sirken about my footage from last night, but it would only help so I might as well do it anyways. These PvP changes are Extreme, and they need to be seriously thought out before a full implementation. Tweaks, albeit minor or major, are in order.
Andis
12-02-2014, 01:57 PM
The buff issue won't be a problem for Andis. He demands fresh cleric buffs even when he has 30 min left on them. The pell change should only remove Andis's weakest buffs which will be his clickies.
lol @ 30 mins, thats just not true
and whats the pell change?
SamwiseRed
12-02-2014, 02:01 PM
lol @ 30 mins, thats just not true
and whats the pell change?
annul magic actually gonna have a use. buffs and shit have dispel counters (kinda.) higher end buffs will be harder to pell than skin like wood. anytime i see andis im gonna toss him good buffs to front load them. gonna feel good.
daasgoot
12-02-2014, 02:02 PM
Teeks. if you failed to strike a pose in your video then Sirken will likely never look at it.
for example: i would recommend the standing splits.
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/strk.gif
SamwiseRed
12-02-2014, 02:04 PM
you may not just be able to pell away a WD or splurt. might take multiple casts. pras.
Andis
12-02-2014, 02:07 PM
annul magic actually gonna have a use. buffs and shit have dispel counters (kinda.) higher end buffs will be harder to pell than skin like wood. anytime i see andis im gonna toss him good buffs to front load them. gonna feel good.
lol I wouldnt attack samwise in game if I saw him. I guess now I will not hold back. And don't you have to be 60 to cast buffs on a lvl 60? Either way I hope you casting buffs in middle of pvp, would litereally laugh out loud :)
Smedy
12-02-2014, 02:09 PM
ya'll trippin over red99 being down for 2 days, ya'll need a job, a haircut and jesus
calm ur nuts dogs
Colgate
12-02-2014, 02:10 PM
andis will have a mistmoore fungi twink to grief genuine newbies with
but he wouldn't attack samwise in-game
lol
lol
lol
Burgerking
12-02-2014, 02:11 PM
I honestly found the new melee PvP to be very difficult. When clients are lagging towards one another, and you get that sort of jumpy character placement it's VERY difficult to time your joust. This is ever more exaggerated with special abilities like a rogue backstab. I would very rarely eat a backstab, which honestly is a good thing, as I've had some very questionable backstabs land on me in the old mechanics on Red.
Now is this new hitbox a issue? I'm not sure, it absolutely benefited me last night. Killing warriors, rogues, monks and SKs at 50%-100% left for myself (I was using my own character Iksar Monk, so the long fights benefited me).
HIT BOX ASIDE.
The real issue I found was the nerf to melee push. I couldnt stop casters from launching nukes which I was other wise able to do it I played my cards properly, metaphorically.
Now what I'm finding is that I have to get much to close to a caster to even be in range for my attack to land, AND Then by that time, with the nerf to melee push, I cannot interrupt anything. I was using my epic fist with 41% haste belt, and epic haste. Previously, I was able to push someone off a spell if I was landing rounds on a spell greater than 4 seconds. This is not going to be the case anymore if things stay where they are.
I had no response from Sirken about my footage from last night, but it would only help so I might as well do it anyways. These PvP changes are Extreme, and they need to be seriously thought out before a full implementation. Tweaks, albeit minor or major, are in order.
The problem is you been playing Wacky Dan's Custom Melee classic for soo long you forgot what live classic melee pvp was like.
On live I regained 95% of my spells vs melee's, they had to kick or bash me to interrupt my casting. Melee's did not just run up to casters and shut down all they're spells by autoattacking on them.
Your not supposed to be able to stop caster's from launching nukes on you when they have max channeling and spell line skill. That's the point. Currently casters can't root or snare a melee and you want them to also not be able to cast while you hit them lol and use no interrupt abilities.
That's what it was like on live, what you want is melee easy mode like it's been. NO!
I can't even believe he thinks that completely shutting down anyone who goes for a cast over 4 seconds is normal, just from autoattacking lol Hi have we met, my name is Classic EQ.
daasgoot
12-02-2014, 02:11 PM
andis will have a mistmoore fungi twink to grief genuine newbies with
but he wouldn't attack samwise in-game
lol
lol
lol
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/9L9bOKF.gif
SamwiseRed
12-02-2014, 02:12 PM
true not that level range is 4 we cannot engage in player vs player combat anymore. I was just throwing ideas out there. obviously buffing people in mass pvp would be stupid. however throwing a quick see invis may not be such a bad idea as it will now place the buff in front instead of just refreshing its current slot (assuming you even have that buff on you) allowing you to possibly throw down some dots behind the entire buff stack.
SamwiseRed
12-02-2014, 02:13 PM
andis why you fungi twink in MM. shouldnt the top pvper be pvping at the top level? low level twinking is for scrubs who need every advantage in the game (gear, buffs, close zoneline) in order to engage in pvp. I have much more respect for people with tunnel vision who run into a pack of wolves just trying to take out anyone before they meet certain death. like old salem, old ezpk, and tombom. i swear the killboard/YT has made everyone a fuckin pussy. no offense to any pals who take offense to this.
as for melee changes. ive never been a good at melee pvp but I was able to land a decent amount of hits while on my bard. I think the devs should have made changes slightly to ensure we dont go overboard but well see how it goes. I we should have tested hitboxes in between what is on beta and what we had before but thats just my opinion. either way most of the griefers will probably get bored when they are jooked for 10 minutes straight because they have no skill.
daasgoot
12-02-2014, 02:14 PM
true not that level range is 4 we cannot engage in player vs player combat anymore. I was just throwing ideas out there. obviously buffing people in mass pvp would be stupid. however throwing a quick see invis may not be such a bad idea as it will now place the buff in front instead of just refreshing its current slot (assuming you even have that buff on you) allowing you to possibly throw down some dots behind the entire buff stack.
if he can't clear a buff before you finish casting dot then he deserve to die and uninstall.
Colgate
12-02-2014, 02:14 PM
andis why you fungi twink in MM. shouldnt the top pvper be pvping at the top level?
last time i saw andis on a level 60 character, he got dirtnapped by a level 57 SK in rags in KC on guido
Andis
12-02-2014, 02:18 PM
big G loaded in 20% at kc sunday morning at 11am
totally forgot he was 20% plugged - too much grindage night before will little sleep
shrug, grats on ez HT kill
and as for these buff changes, its just more annoying - as if keeping buffs on for eq wasnt annoying enough, not sure why these changes being implemented tbh
SamwiseRed
12-02-2014, 02:22 PM
big G loaded in 20% at kc sunday morning at 11am
totally forgot he was 20% plugged - too much grindage night before will little sleep
shrug, grats on ez HT kill
and as for these buff changes, its just more annoying - as if keeping buffs on for eq wasnt annoying enough, not sure why these changes being implemented tbh
because classic. i think even LoZ had classic buffing at one point. i think its cool. it makes necros and druids a little more viable vs melee whereas before dots were useless against anyone with a pumice and trying to out manuver them was impossible. I see this change as a big nerf to melees. not only will they have to be on top of people like flies on shit but they are gonna chance dispelling their own buffs while trying to remove dots.
Andis
12-02-2014, 02:23 PM
and yes kingandis my lvl 30 twink has invaded mistmoore for all the angry wolves (nihi followers) and for the new comers to get a taste of what red pvp is like. I lol at the people who call killing a player once grief. Big Andis doesnt greif he likes pvp at all levels.
long live pvp
long live yt
end the zerg 2015
small crews rule the rest drool
Sektor
12-02-2014, 02:24 PM
I did a TON of work last night dueling people in NRO. There were some recent changes to PvP and how the mechanics work. I fraps'd about 5 hours of game play. My fucking fingers felt like there were bleeding by the end of it.
I did this because I saw a great opportunity to duel people without consequences. Everyone was into it and I tried to fight every class that was up for it.
If this is material that I should not have been testing, as a PvP minded individual, who cares about how PvP will be rolled-out come Velious, then I won't post the footage.
Bare in mind that many of my duels were interrupted by Blue characters trolling fights and healing/buffing. It's a double edged sword, we got retards on both sides. All I'm saying.
Let me know if you and your team want the footage Sirken, as I will then put some time and work into editing it and post comments to help aid the development of PvP.
Did you record me on a wizard raping you?
Colgate
12-02-2014, 02:24 PM
nihilum hasn't been on the server for over 3 months
you're still hung up on them
jesus that's sad
Nirgon
12-02-2014, 02:25 PM
Fungi pvp twinks needs to stop
SamwiseRed
12-02-2014, 02:26 PM
actually if you are only killing other griefers such as angry wolves then I have no problems with that. but when i see you YT 3 people within 20 seconds in rags, it makes me believe you are indeed looking for easy targets. i know the YT feels good and its lulz but if you got the means to pvp at top level (60 toon with good gear) then fuckin kill people that matter. dont be a tiny suit bro.
id have no problems with twinks if item loot was enabled but right now there is zero risk involved. all gain and no pain.
Andis
12-02-2014, 02:27 PM
old nihi nutt-huggers 99% chance follow new nihi nutt huggers aka holocaust
glad to see colgates tiny brain hasnt evolved yet 8)
Troubled
12-02-2014, 02:29 PM
On another note, I think the red shutdown was good for the beta since it apparently got some people dueling and messing with that, but some people were on a roll on red too and this may have cooled their heels as well. Red recruit threads are garbage and trolly.
Another blue shutdown weekend solely for red promotion is in order.
Burgerking
12-02-2014, 02:32 PM
If they really want to stop griefing the answer is simple, put level limits on gear.
Nothing else will stop it.
Andis
12-02-2014, 02:33 PM
those other toons were assisting angry wolves in MM
again, its not grief killing someone once. It is grief killing them multiple times and not letting them get corpses.
welcome to red.
Burgerking
12-02-2014, 02:36 PM
those other toons were assisting angry wolves in MM
again, its not grief killing someone once. It is grief killing them multiple times and not letting them get corpses.
welcome to red.
Grief killing is running around with any toon so decked out no new player stands a chance vs you. Every other MMO in the world and EQ also did this later in era's put lvl limits on gear to stop idiots like you who are mad their real life sucks.
Grief killing is running around with any toon so decked out no new player stands a chance vs you. Every other MMO in the world and EQ also did this later in era's put lvl limits on gear to stop idiots like you who are mad their real life sucks.
http://i.imgur.com/NHTKIaw.gif
Colgate
12-02-2014, 02:41 PM
3 of kingandis's 22 kills are on angry wolves tagged characters
the rest are almost entirely fresh, musk, and untagged characters
andis knows he gets shitstomped at level 60 pvp and resorts to a fungi twink in mistmoore
brain just as smaller, etc.
Andis
12-02-2014, 02:44 PM
andis knows he gets shitstomped at level 60 pvp
stopped here and lol'd heavily
goog one
Buzzed Killer
12-02-2014, 02:46 PM
Grief killing is running around with any toon so decked out no new player stands a chance vs you. Every other MMO in the world and EQ also did this later in era's put lvl limits on gear to stop idiots like you who are mad their real life sucks.
No it's not. Grief killing is harassing them, corpse camping and killing them over and over. There will always be people with better gear and an advantage. Who makes the determination whether someone is geared too much or wether or not they or their group stand a chance?
Colgate
12-02-2014, 02:49 PM
Colgate Holocaust Andis Fair Fighters Old Sebilis 0.94 August 30 2014 11:22:54 AM
Colgate Holocaust Guido Azrael Old Sebilis 1.78 October 23 2014 10:20:13 PM
Colgate Holocaust Guido Azrael Old Sebilis 0.16 October 23 2014 10:23:14 PM
Colgate Holocaust Shazam Fair Fighters Northern Desert of Ro 0.12 October 29 2014 12:13:16 AM
Burgerking
12-02-2014, 02:53 PM
No it's not. Grief killing is harassing them, corpse camping and killing them over and over. There will always be people with better gear and an advantage. Who makes the determination whether someone is geared too much or wether or not they or their group stand a chance?
Griefing is solely defined by harassing other player's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer
If you got a lowbie decked out in fungi epic/best in slot type gear, then your sole goal is to harass new player's. No it's retarded to compare that to a guy who has slightly better gear, it's more like Mike Tyson fighting the average squirrel in your back yard.
Just grab a magnifying glass and torture ants, don't destroy real pvper's chance at having real fights at 60 because you want to get your kicks shitting up new player's impression of red, and keeping pop low.
sealer
12-02-2014, 02:54 PM
wts FUNGIS TUNIC
Burgerking
12-02-2014, 03:04 PM
Can't hate on Andis. He kills people once and seems like he gives them a 24hour rule. He's fucked with my groups two different days. Once we had 50+ druid/cle buffs so he got ran outta town unsuccessfully. The next day he picked apart the group killing like three of us. I did learn some valuable lessons in PvP tho!. He killed 3-4 of us and then let us go peacefully.
He did threaten if i Joined Holo he'd pk me daily forever ):
You're a known cheater, scumbags and cheaters often make great pals...
Should death touch you for lying, Susvain - or order you to get your eyes checked. 6 small typos in 3 paragraphs. This is Server Chat, not RnF. I predict the distinct smell of burning gnome in your near future.
Yes, I quickly typed up messages letting you all know you are being watched down there, for specific violations. I would love to get some boxers, but the real prize would be something more up my alley and harder to catch. You've been warned.
bigstuff
12-02-2014, 03:06 PM
stopped here and lol'd heavily
goog one
Wait... Your Guido? Didn't i kill you on my under geared 57 SK the other day?
Sirbanmelotz
12-02-2014, 03:07 PM
srsly wtf happened?
Tekay
12-02-2014, 03:09 PM
Did you record me on a wizard raping you?
Lol I did. 50% to dead on sun strike rolf. should have used them golem wands to dispell that epic shield, and then MAYBE I could have been able to interrupt that long cast time? Maybe not. According to Burkerking you should be able to stand still and phunstrike people to death, because that's always good, and easy mode, ammrite?
Andis
12-02-2014, 03:10 PM
colgate man your almost at the point where I ignore your posts
you post the same thing 20 times
you post 2 naked kills, 1 mass pvp kill, and 1 kill on andis where you procd tstaff in the first 5 seconds of the battle where I rushed you on my druid at the entrance of seb.
you play nothing but a tstaff monk, get on this level of skill.
Sektor
12-02-2014, 03:10 PM
Lol I did. 50% to dead on sun strike rolf. should have used them golem wands to dispell that epic shield, and then MAYBE I could have been able to interrupt that long cast time? Maybe not. According to Burkerking you should be able to stand still and phunstrike people to death, because that's always good, and easy mode, ammrite?
Just messing with you. Can you post the video of your duels?
Andis
12-02-2014, 03:11 PM
Wait... Your Guido? Didn't i kill you on my under geared 57 SK the other day?
yes I loaded in at 20% from previous night
that HT can get even the noobest of noobs YT 8)
Colgate
12-02-2014, 03:14 PM
colgate man your almost at the point where I ignore your posts
you post the same thing 20 times
you post 2 naked kills, 1 mass pvp kill, and 1 kill on andis where you procd tstaff in the first 5 seconds of the battle where I rushed you on my druid at the entrance of seb.
you play nothing but a tstaff monk, get on this level of skill.
4-0
BossThunderace
12-02-2014, 03:14 PM
So many get upset because - our society - has become one of entitlement. Unfortunately, some of this mindset has carried over into the p99 community. Please grow a pair.
Take a vacation from the drama that is being created - beta / velious - whatever label you give it.
Call a family member who you would like to connect with. Go outside, be active. Hell, even get your fap on.
all this grown man drama.
pickanother
12-02-2014, 03:15 PM
but we like to play on red so we can pvp .. that's why we play here not to beta test .. muuust kill ppl duel me now !
Pikrib
12-02-2014, 03:15 PM
Colgate you had Cast delete all of our accounts and you still seems angsty.
Whats wrong bro?
Andis
12-02-2014, 03:15 PM
4-0
seriously seek help
and may god have mercy on your soul
Burgerking
12-02-2014, 03:17 PM
Lol I did. 50% to dead on sun strike rolf. should have used them golem wands to dispell that epic shield, and then MAYBE I could have been able to interrupt that long cast time? Maybe not. According to Burkerking you should be able to stand still and phunstrike people to death, because that's always good, and easy mode, ammrite?
Sunstrike doesn't land now you noob, No on live monks weren't shutting down caster's via auto attack.
You know how many spells are over 4 seconds and viable in pvp, like 90% of them.
Did you even play classic EQ because with what you're saying I doubt you ever pvp'd on live. This is classic EQ that's the goal what we had the past year was anything but classic EQ. All you have to do is proc t-staff once and you win learn to play scrub.
Andis
12-02-2014, 03:20 PM
He did threaten if i Joined Holo he'd pk me daily forever ):
100% true
zerging is for faggots who cant hang
and colgate is at the top of that faggot train
MY BEST ADVICE FOR CURRENT HOLO MEMBERS: GET YOUR GEAR AND GET OUT - MAKE SMALL CREWS - HAVE FUN PVPING OVER DRAGONS NOT ZERGING THEM
colgate doesnt like you, hes using you to gear his best pals
trust in the andis, you will go far
Genedin
12-02-2014, 03:24 PM
The problem is you been playing Wacky Dan's Custom Melee classic for soo long you forgot what live classic melee pvp was like.
On live I regained 95% of my spells vs melee's, they had to kick or bash me to interrupt my casting. Melee's did not just run up to casters and shut down all they're spells by autoattacking on them.
Your not supposed to be able to stop caster's from launching nukes on you when they have max channeling and spell line skill. That's the point. Currently casters can't root or snare a melee and you want them to also not be able to cast while you hit them lol and use no interrupt abilities.
That's what it was like on live, what you want is melee easy mode like it's been. NO!
I can't even believe he thinks that completely shutting down anyone who goes for a cast over 4 seconds is normal, just from autoattacking lol Hi have we met, my name is Classic EQ.
As much as I generally dislike Swyft's posts I have to completely agree with you here and on most of your posts regarding these changes. I too remember in classic being able to channel through melee, and not being able to "push" interrupt casters. There was a reason that melee bash was incredibly useful and your skill timing this to interrupt spells and not just smashing it button with your forehead repeatedly. Frankly when I first joined r99 I was getting my ass kicked hard jousting because I would wait until what I remembered was the opportune moment to attack, or just wait for a kick stun to land to attack because otherwise you used to miss a lot. Once I learned you can basically turn on auto attack once in visible range of the opponent and win I got better but I've always thought it was lame.
Nirgon
12-02-2014, 03:24 PM
My advice is don't grief 40 people in bronze in fear who might join up with a split off core and then tell them to continue to recruit on top of that
We've been aware of <Fresh> doing fear/draco... and didn't go <Azrael> them and demand a pvp kill + LNS for every PvE death.. or guild LNS to destroy their raid night.... whatever other toxic shit etc.
Oh yeah and don't officially join forces with people who do things like that.
I'm real sorry also that 50ish people are needed for higher end Velious raid targets. I'm even more sorry in advance we might try to recruit numbers or join forces up to the point we can kill AoW without charmed shit here.
Mac Drettj
12-02-2014, 03:25 PM
andis a failure in norrath
Genedin
12-02-2014, 03:27 PM
My advice is don't grief 40 people in bronze in fear who might join up with a split off core and then tell them to continue to recruit on top of that
We've been aware of <Fresh> doing fear/draco... and didn't go <Azrael> them and demand a pvp kill + LNS for every PvE death.. or guild LNS to destroy their raid night.... whatever other toxic shit etc.
Oh yeah and don't officially join forces with people who do things like that.
I'm real sorry also that 50ish people are needed for higher end Velious raid targets. I'm even more sorry in advance we might try to recruit numbers or join forces up to the point we can kill AoW without charmed shit here.
I'm proud of you for this.
Andis
12-02-2014, 03:27 PM
andis a failure in norrath
retti a failure at life
Mac Drettj
12-02-2014, 03:28 PM
i dont have a brain that is such smaller or have trouble grasping the concept of rocket surgery
Colgate
12-02-2014, 03:29 PM
everything andis posts is so cringeworthy
jesus
Pikrib
12-02-2014, 03:32 PM
My advice is don't grief 40 people in bronze in fear who might join up with a split off core and then tell them to continue to recruit on top of that
We've been aware of <Fresh> doing fear/draco... and didn't go <Azrael> them and demand a pvp kill + LNS for every PvE death.. or guild LNS to destroy their raid night.... whatever other toxic shit etc.
Oh yeah and don't officially join forces with people who do things like that.
I'm real sorry also that 50ish people are needed for higher end Velious raid targets. I'm even more sorry in advance we might try to recruit numbers or join forces up to the point we can kill AoW without charmed shit here.
I thought Fresh was your feeder guild? Or are you just waiting to swallow up the whole guild?
Tekay
12-02-2014, 03:32 PM
Sunstrike doesn't land now you noob, No on live monks weren't shutting down caster's via auto attack.
You know how many spells are over 4 seconds and viable in pvp, like 90% of them.
Did you even play classic EQ because with what you're saying I doubt you ever pvp'd on live. This is classic EQ that's the goal what we had the past year was anything but classic EQ. All you have to do is proc t-staff once and you win learn to play scrub.
lol this guy.
Sunstrike DID land last night, you noob. Do you ever play here or u just some forum troll? fuckin non-factors
Yeah and t-staff procs for .05 seconds. It doesnt last for 8 seconds every time bud
Samhain
12-02-2014, 03:34 PM
MY BEST ADVICE FOR CURRENT HOLO MEMBERS: GET YOUR GEAR AND GET OUT - MAKE SMALL CREWS - HAVE FUN PVPING OVER DRAGONS NOT ZERGING THEM
My impression thus far on the Red raiding scene:
"small crews" = small because they are made up of bitter, anti-social griefers. The "just want to watch the world burn" kind of players.
"PVPing over dragons" = Logging onto mid-50's alts to pick off recruits within 1 zoneline of KC or DL.
Genedin
12-02-2014, 03:35 PM
Trust little Marius bro, sunstrike lands.
On a side note I have no been able to sleep since the patch details were released at the thought of not being able to machine gun draught of ice on VP geared players and have it land for full dmg 50% of the time.
Tekay
12-02-2014, 03:38 PM
As much as I generally dislike Swyft's posts I have to completely agree with you here and on most of your posts regarding these changes. I too remember in classic being able to channel through melee, and not being able to "push" interrupt casters. There was a reason that melee bash was incredibly useful and your skill timing this to interrupt spells and not just smashing it button with your forehead repeatedly. Frankly when I first joined r99 I was getting my ass kicked hard jousting because I would wait until what I remembered was the opportune moment to attack, or just wait for a kick stun to land to attack because otherwise you used to miss a lot. Once I learned you can basically turn on auto attack once in visible range of the opponent and win I got better but I've always thought it was lame.
A lot of top PvPers on red are Caster. They do very well, and have to be tactical, but they get shit done. I dont think trying to cut melee off at the knees aids any thing. Monks don't have a kick or bash to time, nor do rogues. They rely on staying on a target best they can. The bad ones fail, the good ones make a competition out of a fight.
I'm not sure of the Goals here. We are after classic EQ, but can't seem to nail anything down exactly as it was. So we do our best, and we balance as we can. Golem Wands were never cast time on Live, but now they have a cast time on 3 seconds on Red. Seems like we pick and choose to make things balanced, why stop there?
Burgerking
12-02-2014, 03:38 PM
100% true
zerging is for faggots who cant hang unless Azrael is getting uncontested pixels then it's cool
and I'm at the top of that faggot train
MY BEST ADVICE FOR FEEDER MEMBERS: GET NO GEAR AND HELP GEAR UP ALTS - MAKE SMALL CREWS - MAKE SURE TO HAVE LESS NUMBERS THAN AZRAEL
Azrael doesnt like you, we use feeder guilds to gear up our core and if that doesn;t work we quit
trust in the andis, you will be here for 3 years without an AON
Fixed and made honest
Genedin
12-02-2014, 03:42 PM
Teeks. First of all thanks for the effort you are putting fourth into this. I have not had time to do this and am grateful for those that are helping better the server.
My two mains are a 60 warrior, and a 60 wizard so I am not trying to hamstring meele in any way. From my understanding resists are much higher, so casters are no longer able to machine gun down melee with their fast nukes which means longer casting time. Making it so that casters are not as easily interrupted seems like a balancing act no?
Honestly, people are used to just running up to a lvl 60 wizard and interrupting them with auto attack or blowing 2k of their hp in 3-4 seconds. This is not fun, makes battles too short, and is unbalanced. Casters have learned to survive in the over-powered pvp landscape by being crafty but in reality, a monk should not be able to just run up to a wizard and dunk on them without a real worry. That's just not how it was or how it should be.
Burgerking
12-02-2014, 03:45 PM
A lot of top PvPers on red are Caster. They do very well, and have to be tactical, but they get shit done. I dont think trying to cut melee off at the knees aids any thing. Monks don't have a kick or bash to time, nor do rogues. They rely on staying on a target best they can. The bad ones fail, the good ones make a competition out of a fight.
I'm not sure of the Goals here. We are after classic EQ, but can't seem to nail anything down exactly as it was. So we do our best, and we balance as we can. Golem Wands were never cast time on Live, but now they have a cast time on 3 seconds on Red. Seems like we pick and choose to make things balanced, why stop there?
So you want to be immune to snare and root like it is in beta patch, immune to all spells except lures and lifetaps. And be able to stop anyone casting anything over 4 seconds by merely autoattacking. AND have an unresistable T-staff proc that guarantees a kill.
LOL yea lets listen to this guy for balance. No on live i saw a monk MAYBE interrupt 1 out of my 4 casts.
You already got LOS on spells working for you yea buddy that's not classic to this era. 1 out of 5 spells on casters fizzle even with max skill on a 60, also not classic. And better gear than almost every melee had on live in this era. I don;t think we should set every melee on faceroll easymode because some melee's don't reach the skill cap for their class.
ClubnRed
12-02-2014, 03:46 PM
Hate to say it but ALOT of work went into making classic the difficulty it was. They knew making it a challenge would attract people as in that time people liked challenges.
Unfortuantely as time goes on and america dumbs society down you have less and less people looking for a challenge, just looking looking for easy games. They play the easy said games, Looking for faster leveling, faster easier everything.
And when a challenge does arise they cry and get it nerfed
Tekay
12-02-2014, 03:47 PM
Which is why wizards have shadowsteps... It's like asking players not to use all the abilities that they have at their disposal. Playing theorycraft with you here is pointless though. I will post videos later, take them for what they are.
Genedin
12-02-2014, 03:48 PM
Can we make it so you have to click your attack key every time you attack?
Sure and thanks. Like I said I haven't tested this so I am speaking from what I've heard from others.
Tekay
12-02-2014, 03:49 PM
AND have an unresistable T-staff proc that guarantees a kill.
.
stopped reading after this.
Burgerking
12-02-2014, 03:51 PM
Which is why wizards have shadowsteps... It's like asking players not to use all the abilities that they have at their disposal. Playing theorycraft with you here is pointless though. I will post videos later, take them for what they are.
I know what the video's gonna show, because i tested it. It's gonna show you can no longer relay on autoattack pushback to interupt a caster. Welcome to classic EQ
LOL now you're gonna say T-staff proc isn't unresistable and doesn't almost always result in a death of caster upon proc. LOL can I have 90% of my deaths expunged then because everytime I've died the culprit was usually a T-staff proc.
Tekay
12-02-2014, 03:58 PM
And when a challenge does arise they cry and get it nerfed
Can we speak more on the balancing of instant cast PvP items like Golem Wands? Yet we follow other classic mechanics. I honestly just want balance, and I'm doing empirical work to back my motives.
If you give me instant golem wands leave everything else like it "was" then that's fine. But please don't be hypocritical in the "classic" experience. The fact is that things are different, arguable better, and I'm trying to aid that process. I think we should all be putting in work on the beta to give the developers material to work with. When they make a change to the mechanics they need us to test it, and then they have a better idea of the implications that come about from their changes.
Anyway I'm going to post some videos and duel some more to back the things I say, and do my part for a Better Red Tomorrow.
Burgerking
12-02-2014, 04:03 PM
Can we speak more on the balancing of instant cast PvP items like Golem Wands? Yet we follow other classic mechanics. I honestly just want balance, and I'm doing empirical work to back my motives.
If you give me instant golem wands leave everything else like it "was" then that's fine. But please don't be hypocritical in the "classic" experience. The fact is that things are different, arguable better, and I'm trying to aid that process. I think we should all be putting in work on the beta to give the developers material to work with. When they make a change to the mechanics they need us to test it, and then they have a better idea of the implications that come about from their changes.
Anyway I'm going to post some videos and duel some more to back the things I say, and do my part for a Better Red Tomorrow.
No you're goal is keep melee's overpowered in faceroll easy mode, like we've had for along long time. Game was never this way in live, game was never intended to be that way. It was a mistake and it's getting corrected.
Sorry you think it's normal and balanced that a melee can do Mananburn dmg and interupt every spell a caster has lol sorry NO!
Burgerking
12-02-2014, 04:14 PM
A lot of top PvPers on red are Caster. They do very well, and have to be tactical, but they get shit done. I dont think trying to cut melee off at the knees aids any thing. Monks don't have a kick or bash to time, nor do rogues. They rely on staying on a target best they can. The bad ones fail, the good ones make a competition out of a fight.
Why do you think Verant gave Monks T-staff and Rogues Skean. Hmmm maybe because they knew they had no other interrupts???
There's plenty of classes in the game who have no interrupts. I can;t believe you're starting out by saying you want balance but everything you're arguing for puts melee's in insane op position.
Casters are doing very well vs melee's right now on live lol no there not they getting blown up in seconds. I tested sunstrike myself at 130 fire 1 out of 10 landed for 200 dmg lol.
No one who pvp'd on live is gonna agree with you.
Silent
12-02-2014, 04:17 PM
grats ur using sunstrike in pvp, no wonder ur bad
edit - that reminds me, logged in late last night for a few minutes on beta only to hear the conspiracy theories about agatha trolling syft nonstop with multiple characters. all while I looked into agathas room and he was sound asleep. Meanwhile someone was trolling the shit out of him on beta.
Smedy
12-02-2014, 04:17 PM
wts white dragon scale cloak, get your CR to secure levels, only 80k
Nirgon
12-02-2014, 04:20 PM
I thought Fresh was your feeder guild? Or are you just waiting to swallow up the whole guild?
We're happy they are raiding and if they become a more serious thing should ask us about divvying things up.
That guild has people from all kinds of red and blue guilds in it, its a good thing.
Burgerking
12-02-2014, 04:33 PM
grats ur using sunstrike in pvp, no wonder ur bad
edit - that reminds me, logged in late last night for a few minutes on beta only to hear the conspiracy theories about agatha trolling syft nonstop with multiple characters. all while I looked into agathas room and he was sound asleep. Meanwhile someone was trolling the shit out of him on beta.
I tested every spell on beta you cracked out mess. You can keep saying it, but I'm not Syft you're an idiot. I saw Syft on beta last night I was on for like 45 minutes on Sojinn.
You can't troll me with Syft stories because I'm Sojinn. I understand why you hate Syft so much, i was there ON SOJINN OOR to You when Syft attacked Push.
You ran the entire time while Syft devastated you with nukes, the only thing you tried to do was spam gate pots while Syft beat the crap outa you.
HippoNipple
12-02-2014, 04:41 PM
grats ur using sunstrike in pvp, no wonder ur bad
edit - that reminds me, logged in late last night for a few minutes on beta only to hear the conspiracy theories about agatha trolling syft nonstop with multiple characters. all while I looked into agathas room and he was sound asleep. Meanwhile someone was trolling the shit out of him on beta.
Do you live with your brother? Jesus, how old are you?
Nirgon
12-02-2014, 04:42 PM
Wish my brother lived with me
Shit would get immersive
Genedin
12-02-2014, 04:44 PM
Wish my brother lived with me
Shit would get immersive
I tried to get my brother to play.....it did not work.
Nirgon
12-02-2014, 04:46 PM
I tried to get my brother to play.....bundyquest.
Genedin
12-02-2014, 04:51 PM
I do not understand
MaSQue
12-02-2014, 05:00 PM
http://replygif.net/i/932.gif
VictomEyez
12-02-2014, 05:15 PM
Teeks must be pvp god... using stuff like golem wands and pots vs others who have nothing than the extra bag of gear not used in pvp
Nahilu
12-02-2014, 05:19 PM
Hopefully Red will be ReOpen Thuesday in 2014...
Nah seriously it is Thuesday Today or Thuesday next week ?
Giving a Date is more accurate than a day of the week :p
VictomEyez
12-02-2014, 05:32 PM
Boxing allowed on beta.. agatha had all his toons there for a screenshot lulz... boxing on red confirmed and self screenshots of evidence
Tekay
12-02-2014, 05:35 PM
Teeks must be pvp god... using stuff like golem wands and pots vs others who have nothing than the extra bag of gear not used in pvp
Yeah, I used my Own character vs max gear people and wiped their buffs clean to have a equal 1v1
Dazed
12-02-2014, 05:36 PM
Sirken for president.
maegi
12-02-2014, 06:02 PM
Open red! Some of us actually play the game and don't need to troll others
Isoroku
12-02-2014, 06:07 PM
Boxing allowed on beta.. agatha had all his toons there for a screenshot lulz... boxing on red confirmed and self screenshots of evidence
http://i.imgur.com/4A7HCWR.png
Pseudechis
12-02-2014, 06:22 PM
Where's the wood elf warrior agatha! #disappointed
Urkel
12-02-2014, 06:25 PM
It takes them months to simply restart the server for a patch so I'm not surprised it's still not up
Cappa
12-02-2014, 06:29 PM
Boy this thread went downhill fast:cool:
Isoroku
12-02-2014, 06:31 PM
think there is only one person on the server who has as big as army as me that he leveled all by hand, that didn't rmt anything either. and he is my best friend.
Isoroku
12-02-2014, 06:35 PM
Boy this thread went downhill fast:cool:
http://i.imgur.com/R53XBKl.jpg
<3 cappa
Tassador
12-02-2014, 06:56 PM
Some of those are his brother if not confirmed contracted to play eq at home by parents.
Mac Drettj
12-02-2014, 06:58 PM
3 clerics
lol loser
Dazed
12-02-2014, 07:04 PM
You need 3 clerics to be important, when one dies, you log another on~!
Clark
12-02-2014, 07:15 PM
I don't know who all it was but I agree Agatha and company could not shut up in ooc or stop making characters to agree with themselves
Isoroku
12-02-2014, 07:43 PM
Some of those are his brother if not confirmed contracted to play eq at home by parents.
hehe close, my and my brother live off my parents but we live on one of their properties. we are blessed to have a family that doesn't mind paying for us to live without having to work.
Just picked up Dragon Age for ps4, servers up soon?
Korrupt
12-02-2014, 08:14 PM
zzzzzzzzzzz
MaSQue
12-02-2014, 08:52 PM
Just picked up Dragon Age for ps4, servers up soon?
Been debating on getting that for either my PS4 or the PC. Just not sure it's worth grabbing, single player ......... bleh :(
Erock KVen
12-02-2014, 08:54 PM
tbh you guys shud probably be kissing sirken's butt.
I'd make out with his asshole for 1 whole minute if it would bring red up. I'm willing to make the sacrifice...
runned
12-02-2014, 09:06 PM
where do i line up to rim sirken
Cappa
12-02-2014, 09:08 PM
hehe close, my and my brother live off my parents but we live on one of their properties. we are blessed to have a family that doesn't mind paying for us to live without having to work.
One day you are going to realize just how little a blessing it is.
Been debating on getting that for either my PS4 or the PC. Just not sure it's worth grabbing, single player ......... bleh :(
Only bought it because I thought there was a chance that it might make the servers come back up. Been one of those weeks.
MaSQue
12-02-2014, 09:19 PM
Only bought it because I thought there was a chance that it might make the servers come back up.
How'd that work out for ya champ? ;)
MaSQue
12-02-2014, 09:20 PM
Well, I guess .... have you played it and if so what did you think? I need me something to play on the side when I am not on Red99.
Didn't even open it yet, keeping hope alive.
http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Kristen-Bell-Laughs-Then-Cries-About-It.gif
MaSQue
12-02-2014, 09:31 PM
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/05/nope.gif
All bullshit aside, what's the good word?? Not gonna lie, I'm planning around this. I have maybe 48-72 prime hours to get in on a good connection while I can, if this isn't gonna happen I'm gonna catch a buzz and probably bang on some gnarly eskimo pussy. Let me know.
Korrupt
12-02-2014, 10:04 PM
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2013/12/3680655443_2a2fe42d2c_o/1c96f3844.png
Recycled Children
12-02-2014, 10:21 PM
http://insatiablebooksluts.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/suspense.gif
Recycled Children
12-02-2014, 10:24 PM
http://blog.chron.com/tubular/files/2014/09/what-are-you-waiting-for.gif
Dazed
12-02-2014, 10:29 PM
You guys owe me 54.99 made me purchase shitty World of Warcraft
Korrupt
12-02-2014, 10:31 PM
http://blog.chron.com/tubular/files/2014/09/what-are-you-waiting-for.gif
You guys owe me 54.99 made me purchase shitty World of Warcraft
sig cracked me up, pras
Korrupt
12-02-2014, 10:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5ySnbfWLYA
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