Debuffs are 100% instead of 50% fix.

[Smedy]

set them to 50% can't have a 1 second cast spell that costs no mana being the determining factor in pvp, having 50% is a great change, but no one wanted this to be 100% except biased enchanters ofcourse.

[Bazia]

Pras the end of ignoring debuffs because they were complete nonfactors in pvp

[Pikrib]

Smedy is correct, Malo and Tash aren't classic and OP.

[Bazia]

Wheres the prof?

[Haynar]

I heard there used to be some sort of buff or something so it would show on your resists at one point.

Any clue?

H

[Nirgon]

I for one welcome our new enchanter overlords

Rogues had it too good for too long

Take your time, getting it str8 always worth the w8

[slizzy]

As posted in the red forums, you having to actually walk around with 180mr at the high end play and it MIGHT make you remove some PVE dps gear and force you to wear resist gear if you want to fight in PVP.

Oh the humanity!

180mr pretty much allows you face tank casters and shamen again with little worry to your survival. With the removal of some of the DPS gear, casters aren't dropping in 5-6 seconds on average anymore, sorry if that infringes on your monk/rogue/warrior game play.

L2P and do a bit of actual in game testing on red before you post.

hell a couple months into SoV it should be jacked up even more!

[Tavrin]

I heard there used to be some sort of buff or something so it would show on your resists at one point.

Any clue?

H

You mean a buff icon outside of the debuff affect? No. The 50% increase in the strength of debuffs in PvP went in sometime during the velious or luclin era, but I haven't been able to locate the specific patch notes for it yet.

[slizzy]

Stop using the god damn classic argument all the time. This server is not classic anymore with the 1000% gear inflation we have now. 180mr is pretty trivial to get atm.

Frankly 100 percent seems pretty legit for the current gear levels of 56+ people. Just wait till SoV and you'll easily have 180mr in your full dps gear too.

[Smedy]

ain't got much prof but played mage on live and distinctly remember malo giving -66 mr (i checked this with a shaman friend cause i wanted to compare mala and malo) mala gave around -50mr if i remember correctly.

[Smedy]

Stop using the god damn classic argument all the time. This server is not classic anymore with the 1000% gear inflation we have now. 180mr is pretty trivial to get atm.

Frankly 100 percent seems pretty legit for the current gear levels of 56+ people. Just wait till SoV and you'll easily have 180mr in your full dps gear too.

how do i get 180mr unbuffed, please tell me? i don't even think the best geared vp toons has that much, yall are fucking crazy lol

[Colgate]

i don't think it's even possible for a monk to get 180 MR unbuffed in kunark

[Bazia]

wheres 50% debuff boost prof?

[Tavrin]

wheres 50% debuff boost prof?

Here you go:
source: http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2001-1.html

------------------------------
May 31, 2001 2:00 am
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*** Patch Addendum ***

This evening we put in another patch to correct some issues that arose
with the patch yesterday. The changes implemented include some that
weren't announced previously:

- Resist-debuffs will do 1.5 times their normal value for PvP
encounters. In other words, if the spell did -60MR in PvP before, it
does -90MR in PvP now. PvE (combat versus NPCs) remains unaffected.

[Burgerking]

Here you go:
source: http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2001-1.html

------------------------------
May 31, 2001 2:00 am
------------------------------

*** Patch Addendum ***

This evening we put in another patch to correct some issues that arose
with the patch yesterday. The changes implemented include some that
weren't announced previously:

- Resist-debuffs will do 1.5 times their normal value for PvP
encounters. In other words, if the spell did -60MR in PvP before, it
does -90MR in PvP now. PvE (combat versus NPCs) remains unaffected.

Yes but keep in mind that was put in place when Howl of Tashan was in effect. Currently Enchanters Tashan line is what -40-45 to resists without debuff. And the average player's gear is much better than it was on live. Due to game knowledge and gear availability here.

[Technique]

Yes but keep in mind that was put in place when Howl of Tashan was in effect. Howl of Tashan was a PoP spell (http://wayback.archive.org/web/20030104131332/http://eq.crgaming.com/spells/spell.asp?Id=2095). That patch note is from mid-Velious.

Just stop posting.

[Burgerking]

Howl of Tashan was a PoP spell (http://wayback.archive.org/web/20030104131332/http://eq.crgaming.com/spells/spell.asp?Id=2095). That patch note is from mid-Velious.

Just stop posting.

How happy are you that you finally were able to find something I was wrong about vs the multitude of things i pointed out that you were wrong about on bug forums. I'm gonna do something you could never do, admit that i was wrong and say I made a mistake.

[Lasher]

Did we even try the 50% buff before going straight to 100%?

Then if 50% not enough try 75%

[heartbrand]

how do i get 180mr unbuffed, please tell me? i don't even think the best geared vp toons has that much, yall are fucking crazy lol

I got that on checkraise 8)

[Pikrib]

I got that on checkraise 8)

Warriors have inate MR bonus and should not be used as an example.

I heard there used to be some sort of buff or something so it would show on your resists at one point.

Any clue?

H

Sorry Haynar but I have no clue what you are talking about.

Are you tweaking this down to the classic 50% bonus?

[Bazia]

this already got nerfed

[Pikrib]

this already got nerfed

You say nerfed, I say corrected.

but yeah I saw that post on the pvp boards. Thanks Haynar.

[Bazia]

Back to - 40 MR when everyone has 160+

TITE

[Pikrib]

Back to - 40 MR when everyone has 160+

TITE

I thought they were going to make it a classic 1.5x origional debuff?

Yes, I do realize correct resists aren't showing ATM so its impossible to tell.

[Nirgon]

^ whenever u get tashed/malo'd, get out your TI-83

[Bazia]

Actually pvping all day today I am landing spells worse than I was this time last week

I some how got nerfed into a worse state then I was in before all this patching

Buying Rogue MQ fuck this lol

[Nirgon]

Rapture + cure shield, "infinite charges" of better than golem wand (due to recent patch!) and insane haste buffs to all melees not gud enuff? Guess its all about dat YT.

[Bazia]

its about not being useless other then buffbot so yeah

[Nirgon]

strip bot and rapture bot too but yeah you aren't getting YT with an enchanter on geared out players

[Bazia]

your going to get smashed by geared players unless you have an entire crew to play with any time you are logged in because none of your spells do anything

before all the patching if a caster relying on an MR buff got stripped and tashed I could still land some basic spells on them, based off of today that is no longer the case so I am probably going to turn kecleon into a buffbot where he belongs and buy a rogue epic mq

[Nirgon]

Ya I feels u... nothing like rogue or tstaff monk for smaller scale pvp

Casters much better in large scale

[Bazia]

Also I have noticed zero difference between dispell counters so that "enc buff" isnt a thing either

Like I get it that that retarded OP CC spell stuff was kind of a joke for a day but at least return me to where I was at before the patching, already was one of the worst pvp classes in the game

[Nirgon]

one of worst classes to get YT (killing blow) sure still very useful in pvp

shield enchanter excellent for securing a YT

don't let the unofficial leader board rot your brains

[Pikrib]

As a cleric my nukes would get constantly resisted on live. I was way to powerful here before the patch and will admit it. Now i'm getting full resist/partials a ton more and I have to admit it feels WAY more classic.

So I don't get nukes that can do anything in PVP. I still get the best heals and HP buffs. Things were never "balanced" on live, and the game was still fun.

[Bazia]

well my nukes never landed before and dont now

and 1 rog/enc will die to 2 rog

2 rog/enc will die to 3 rog

see the problem? enc doesnt even work as support you'd still be better off as a rogue

[Nirgon]

Ya I see your 2 rog problem, quite valid and wins your case I think

But easier to escape 2 rog than 1 rog 1 enc if the enc lands his rapture

You're like the capture ship in galaga or some shit...

rapture landing turns what would be a chase/plug into a YT.. then again rogue poison right now lands a ton and is pretty much just as effective as landing a rapture in terms of getting a kill... and the rogue can finish his kill even on a very geared target unlike the enc. The poison also don't break on damage unlike rapture. DMF should basically prevent u from getting poisoned ever

Mana drain is pretty good too in a battle of the heals or preventing a would-be shadowstep after breaking rapture... again making the enchanter stand alone in its ability to truly secure kills

[Pikrib]

Really guys?

Classes were never balanced in EQ. Deal with it.

[Bazia]

Yeah I lined up a ROG epic MQ tonite ^^

Issue confirmed dealt wit

[Jygia]

The malo line should overwrite the shielding buff from pure casters.