Guthrie Rocks

[quido]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNKE4dDQCDg

Guthrie Govan is a guitar god who came to prominence thanks to the internet and youtube. He is probably the most complete living guitarist and is the most shining guitarist carrying on in the tradition of Shawn Lane (the greatest guitarist ever). Guthrie's tonality is a little more mainstream which is why I think you people with 2-digit IQs will enjoy him despite the fact that he really is a jazz guitarist - he won't beat you over the head too hard with the jazz.

If you like rock electric guitar and virtuoso musicianship, check out the link above!

[Tann]

does he make the O faces tho?

[quido]

not quite like my ***** Steve Vai but he definitely plays his heart out

[Faron]

Do you have a poster of this guy on your wall?

[Roublard]

best living guitarist no contest

[JackFlash]

Very proficient but not my favorite. Most people don't even know who he is......

[quido]

Yeah sort of a guitarist's guitarist really.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/2035904/michael-angelo-batio-o.gif

[quido]

lol MAB gets me from firm to limp in 5 seconds flat

[JackFlash]

Having been a musician most of my life I stopped playing to get away from making that kind of music. While self fulfilling and exciting to play, it's not really enjoyable for most people to listen to. Like extremely pretentious jazz or any other genre, prog metal whatever... The kind of music you need a fucking degree to listen to or to even understand whats going on and why it's cool.

That kind of music doesn't really make anyone but musicians happy. It's why my favorite artists/writers are becker and fagen from steely dan. They figured out a way to make fun interesting music that could be enjoyed my most. Just my preference though. Music is the ultimate subjective topic. Becker is a pretty tasty soloist if you ask me!

[Bazia]

was boring as shit tbh

[Bardalicious]

OP is intellectually superior and exquisitely cultured because of random youtube links on elf sim forum.


He's definitely not an out of shape fire giant that lives in a room cluttered with video games and shitty band posters. Nope.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

OP is intellectually superior and exquisitely cultured because of random youtube links on elf sim forum.


He's definitely not an out of shape fire giant that lives in a room cluttered with video games and shitty band posters. Nope.

Defiling the soup thread with your negativity, and now this. Sounds like you need a hug.

[Bardalicious]

You're welcome to perceive facts as negativity all you'd like if it helps you to cope with your clearly evident delicate sensibility. ;)

[iruinedyourday]

does he make the O faces tho?

https://filthyminky.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/boyle_crowd_haim_large.gif?w=450&h=299

[quido]

ya he mad, been that way a while

As a listener I don't really look at music analytically despite being very analytical and musical - I just now how it makes me feel. Some shit gets you off, some doesn't. There was a time when David Gilmour was as good as it got for me, but over time your tastes change. I just love the electric guitar - I think it is the most expressive instrument with such an incredible range (of sounds). This translated into me moving from classic stoner rock on to instrumental rock and eventually rock/fusion. This is a more a function of the players than the music itself - each of those genres are redeeming in their own right - but I find that the superior players gravitate toward the fusion. For me with Guthrie and Shawn Lane and whoever, it's less about what notes they play and more about the way in which they play them. This is what has allowed me to stay interested in guitar rock despite a lot of very repeated listening. Maybe eventually I will get my fill of all the good fusion out there and move on to Indian music or something retarded like Shawn Lane did. I still like Pink Floyd and Joe Satriani or whatever, but that sort of thing doesn't really get me off any more. It's like I just need more and more gratuitous of guitar playing. Occasionally with virtuoso playing comes virtuoso musicianship, and I think this is the real selling point of Guthrie Govan and Shawn Lane.

It doesn't have to be fusion either, I guess I just I want to hear great electric guitar players. Jason Becker (neoclassical shred metal, mostly) is another personal favorite of mine, yet again it's not about his speed - it's his heart. If something like Altitudes doesn't speak to you at least a little bit, you are probably tone deaf and/or retarded.

[quido]

Becker is a pretty tasty soloist if you ask me!

Yet Becker is too terse and fruity for most people these days. Well, most people are borderline mentally retarded.

[quido]

For the triple post I gotta say with Jason Becker it's really the tremolo arm that drives me wild. That guy could make his guitar cry. Such a sad story - Jason Becker was probably the most naturally talented guitarist of all time, cut down before his prime.

[Faron]

only thing more dime a dozen than rock guitar players are people trying to look cultured talking about them

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

only thing more dime a dozen than rock guitar players are people trying to look cultured talking about them

whats it like to be dead inside?

[quido]

If I really wanted to look cultured to you morans I'd post a video of me playing Chopin or cooking French cuisine. Rock guitar is but a vicious vice for which my erection won't subside and I like talking about it.

[iruinedyourday]

https://38.media.tumblr.com/c5c08d4fe83c9055de9bff411332e0fa/tumblr_mrupps9OvY1sxxap0o1_400.gif

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

https://38.media.tumblr.com/c5c08d4fe83c9055de9bff411332e0fa/tumblr_mrupps9OvY1sxxap0o1_400.gif

lol

[iruinedyourday]

this solo tho

https://www.youtube.com/embed/KeaehxEdpgo?rel=0&start=0&end=6&autoplay=1%22%20frameborder=%220%22

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

vicious vice

I hope that phrase was a lame attempt at humor.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

this solo tho

https://www.youtube.com/embed/KeaehxEdpgo?rel=0&start=0&end=6&autoplay=1%22%20frameborder=%220%22

link was purp ;)

[quido]

I hope that phrase was a lame attempt at humor.

Nope. You know that words can have multiple definitions, right? And that not all definitions of the word 'vicious' relate to vices, right?

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Nope. You know that words can have multiple definitions, right? And that not all definitions of the word 'vicious' relate to vices, right?

http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx329/Smiley-Creater/facepalm.gif

wow.

[Bardalicious]

Proving once again that he falls within the "double digit IQ" category that he so desperately attempts to project upon others.

[Jay F Kay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsD6uEZsIsU

[Nuktari]

http://media1.giphy.com/media/QXWG8yrktVc6k/200.gif

rock on!

[Priceline]

drum derail, Danny Carey > all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfwhSuyumz4

[zanderklocke]

I only like fast power chords because they are punk as shit, and I hate guitar solos.

[JackFlash]

atonal free jazz is where it's at....you really have to listen to understand!

[quido]

Most jazz is too terse for me - takes a rare player to get my gun off.

[Archalen]

Having been a musician most of my life I stopped playing to get away from making that kind of music. While self fulfilling and exciting to play, it's not really enjoyable for most people to listen to. Like extremely pretentious jazz or any other genre, prog metal whatever... The kind of music you need a fucking degree to listen to or to even understand whats going on and why it's cool.

That kind of music doesn't really make anyone but musicians happy. It's why my favorite artists/writers are becker and fagen from steely dan. They figured out a way to make fun interesting music that could be enjoyed my most. Just my preference though. Music is the ultimate subjective topic. Becker is a pretty tasty soloist if you ask me!

I agree with this sentiment pretty much. I grew up playing classical on the piano, then in my early teens slowly got into shitty rock (like Shinedown), then promptly matured out of that phase into progressive music (Satriani and Dream Theater were favorites), then got into white blues like Stevie Ray Vaughan, then slowly into popular music somehow. Groups like Steely Dan really take the technical side and distill down into listenable form. I think they have the best of both worlds. My friends who are jazz musicians love them, and non-musicians sometimes enjoy them.

I feel like if you have been a musician since you were young, you should grow out of the phase "technique for the sake of showing off" by the time you're out of your teens; otherwise, not many people will care about your music except your friends and lonely Necronomicon worshipers. I see it happening every day in the local music scene.

[quido]

Guthrie refers to Steely Dan chords as "budget jazz chords" - often normal triads with an odd note in the bass.

[quido]

I am also a supporter of the "technical for the sake of technical sucks" sentiment. I remember in my more formative guitar-playing/listening years seeing Shawn Lane's name on some list of shredders. I checked out some videos on Youtube and thought "Jesus, this guy is fast, but it's just stunt guitar." It wasn't until I checked out a couple of his albums (with Jonas Hellborg and friends) that I came to realize what a superbly musical player he is - he doesn't shred just to shred generally - it adds something to the music. And in fact, my favorite Shawn Lane solo is performed nice and slow on the clean channel (part of it is featured in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc4KWowRBGU). Shawn Lane being the greatest guitar player of all time has very little to do with his speed and is mostly to do with his phrasing and musicianship and writing.

How many non-guitar players have ever heard of Michael Angelo Batio? Dunked

[JackFlash]

You want to see virtuoso? Check out Richard Galliano (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKFIQoUyhns) on the concertina.... Waltz for nicky is one of my favs. (Accordion Derail)

Idk about the steely dan budget jazz chords....wtf does that even mean. So many ways to play a chord.....you can really call shit whatever you want. It really depends on what else you have in the piece.

I like to think most people can appreciate musicians with virtuoso talent regardless of instrument, style, or education.

[quido]

was boring as shit tbh

bet you love AC/DC

[Whirled]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asZ2RHPHT4c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXNwxkHcD0A

[Aviann]

Yngwie Malmsteen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK0rvReE-4c

[quido]

Yngwie Malmsteen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK0rvReE-4c

Ever notice how the main theme of this song sort of sounds like the castle music from Castlevania 2?

[Aviann]

Ever notice how the main theme of this song sort of sounds like the castle music from Castlevania 2?

Haha yes I did! The video was introduced to me, as well as Malmsteen, to a guy that I delivered some marine supplies to who thought I looked like a rocker. A lot of his other solo spots do indeed sound a lot like videogame progression, and I wish it were true that he did it on purpose.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Guess I have to post this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBU924qII_0

[Aviann]

Guess I have to post this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBU924qII_0

lol yes! I love this kind of shit. It's what I do irl.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Im hijacking this thread - whats the best video game soundtrack of all time? GO! - Mine is the soundtrack to Super Hexagon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogMXioyv2mk

but im biased i guess cos i think its easily the most pure video game ever created.

[Fame]

Most will prob be better off just rolling a bard

[quido]

lol yes! I love this kind of shit. It's what I do irl.

show us

[Mandalore93]

drum derail, Danny Carey > all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfwhSuyumz4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKiiVpSfToM

Carey's alright I guess. For a mainstream dude.

As for guitarists I've always hated the argument "Oh he's a complete guitarist man! He plays jazz and shit!" I sincerely doubt that a lot of the more competent guitarists don't play music styles because they can't but more likely because they just don't like that style of music. My personal favorite is Jeff Loomis. Love both his solo work and work in Nevermore. He currently plays guitar in Arch Enemy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuu0zcV6y1E - Taken on a shitty phone cam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nY-XDF_Ask - Studio Version

I do like Guthrie though. Waves is probably my favorite from him.

[quido]

Yeah as Guthrie said, to play Jazz and chromaticism or whatever you really should like how it sounds first. Some people try to learn modal playing and whatever just because they think they're supposed to, like it's some sort of natural progression. Arnold Schoenberg had a similar view on classical music in the early 1900s and put together an abomination called the 12-tone system.

I don't like a lot of jazz playing - it is way too terse and nonsensical. However Guthrie does what is mostly rock music with some jazz here and there. And it's never jazz for the sake of jazz.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

gdi.

[Tann]

Carey's alright I guess. For a mainstream dude.

http://i.imgur.com/pwdb9Qh.jpg

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

http://i.imgur.com/pwdb9Qh.jpg

hahaha

[Mandalore93]

My hipster glasses always get broken in the pit :(

[Aviann]

I don't like a lot of jazz playing - it is way too terse and nonsensical. However Guthrie does what is mostly rock music with some jazz here and there. And it's never jazz for the sake of jazz.

To say Jazz is too nonsensical is to not know the style and chemistry of Jazz at all. When most of these individuals either go to school or train at home under Jazz, its usually for the transitioning on the fret board and how soulful a simple misplaced step can come off in-between transition.

You'd be surprised how many big timers first undertook the learning of jazz, only to play metal or country music on the stage. Its really a big first step, but jazz guitar is by far one of the hardest and most knowledgeable ways to play these days, or at least start off learning.

Not everyone has dreams of playing on a box amp on the side of Bourbon street as a nobody, and Jazz guitar has helped a lot of musicians get to the point where that isn't even their forte anymore. I always wanted to go to school for Jazz guitar, but I never wanted to play Jazz. Still do, and still don't.

[quido]

I'm aware that it's not total nonsense, just some people are happy to have it sound as such sometimes - a bit too atonal and avant garde at times. Chromaticism for the sake of chromaticism sounds awful. Just like most things, 90% of examples from a given whatever are complete shit that you have to sift through.

[Aviann]

I'm aware that it's not total nonsense, just some people are happy to have it sound as such sometimes - a bit too atonal and avant garde at times. Chromaticism for the sake of chromaticism sounds awful. Just like most things, 90% of examples from a given whatever are complete shit that you have to sift through.

You're damn right, and that's what makes the rest of us stand above. I hate the nonsensical shit that I keep hearing in person, but every once in a while, I can't help but admire the way some take that Jazz transition, and make it into something so seamless and perfect, in a totally different genre of tempo and playstyle than what was expected.

[TAK]

Shit sucks pal, I can't mosh to that.

Prefer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqqyXacqON4

[TAK]

Music is supposed to make you "feel" something, and no one is going to feel anything form some dude who just sits in a chair playing chromatic sweep after chromatic sweep; that shit is boring as fuck and leads to an audience doing nothing but smoking outside and or sitting up against the walls.

The only people who would even be into that shit, are just nerds who keep a 500+ youtube channel filled with Pastorius/Vai Masterclass videos, and debate that shit with other nerds who have the same fucking videos.

[quido]

yeah that's all he does, lol ya moran

[TAK]

yeah that's all he does, lol ya moran

Yeah dawg, cause he's def. harder than fucking Crowbar or Down and can bring the rage down into the audience, the fuck outta here.

[quido]

Brain damage is a preferred habit for those that mosh - that's why they mosh.

[TAK]

I know local hardcore punk bands that could draw a more energetic crowd than that dude can, and they're playing on $100 out-of-tune Ibanez's while being too high on meth to sing properly.

[quido]

Good I hope you enjoy them - I sure as hell wouldn't.

[TAK]

Brain damage is a preferred habit for those that mosh - that's why they mosh.

Oh I forgot, the only pits you care about are in Icewell Keep and Plane of Tactics, u fukkin virgin.

[TAK]

God damn, look at these 45+ year old middle-management types just sit down for hours at a time listening to this shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP4eIMc5VFw

You ain't pulling pussy at this show, you ain't even catching a buzz.

[TAK]

I don't even like The Flaming Lips, but holy shit at least they can pull in a 50,000+ show and the crowd goes nuts... It's not just three dudes standing around plucking on strings.

[TAK]

Look at this shit, these night riding fire giants are dying of AIDS and starvation, and the only instrument they have is clapping their hands and making clickclickclick noises; and they're enjoying themselves and showing more energy than a Guthrie show...

Literally, black people clapping their aids infested hands is more lively and less monotonous than Guthrie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Heo-OdbbSjg

[Bardalicious]

TAK sounds like Abacab.

Definitely forum pking Jeremy ITT.

[quido]

Slain by quadruple retard post lol

[TAK]

TAK sounds like Abacab.

Definitely forum pking Jeremy ITT.

Think about this.

If Jeremy is the type of dude to go to a concert and sit down and blankly stare at a stage, what's to say he isn't the type of dude to sit down when he pees?

the only people that should sit at a concert are handicapped, and according to Kanye West the prophet of music, that isn't even acceptable.

[TAK]

Here is a photo of Jeremy at a concert, reading the set list like a true aficionado:

https://welltempered.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/oakwood-audience-2.jpg

[quido]

lol good 1 Tak

I like to sit to pee sometimes - it's a good opportunity to knock out a few pages of whatever book I'm reading.

[TAK]

Can't help that I'm normal and when I roll to an Arctic Monkeys or Kidd Cudi show I'm all about snorting whatever on the table and getting drunk enough to drop some of that good D on whatever bar slut is around.

I'm sorry that when you go to a concert you have to sit down cause you got bad ankles, and you can't handle "the heavier stuff" because your doctor refuses to write you another hearing aid rx.

[quido]

you sound like a stupid townie

[TAK]

you sound like a stupid townie

http://www.pbh2.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/deal-with-it1.gif

[TAK]

I watched like four of this dudes videos and everyone of them, people are old and sitting down...

Sorry bro, I'm 27 and when I go to concerts I want them to be energetic and fun, and a guy wailing away at a guitar for 45 minutes straight just isn't fun, it's a recital.

[quido]

You enjoy your Kid Cudi and the people there.

[TAK]

You enjoy your Kid Cudi and the people there.

2 heavy 4 u Jeremy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8oaRgw0w78

[quido]

too dumb sounding, didn't listen

[TAK]

too dumb sounding, didn't listen

Do you need a chair to fully enjoy it? Perhaps subway catering?

[quido]

stop it please Tak, you're hurting my feelings

[TAK]

stop it please Tak, you're hurting my feelings

Naw, here I'll appeal to your sensibilities, cause you can't understand the music unless you know what piece it is and what movement.

http://laytonmusic.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/recital-program-3.jpg

[quido]

well your insults are original to say the least lol

[TAK]

100% all the time, abacab 420 blazie it fgt

[TAK]

tak would u pay and bang your head to me busting a shit ton of glass onsssssssssssssstttttttttttttttttttaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ggggggggggggggeeeeeeeeeeee raflamfalfmlaskdjfakljdgh;aowiehriaush;dlifja;.kds mkkn.vvkldbarj;nkfdsfasdlfkj;l cuuuuddddd fuck me

With a single word I could have you killed.

[gcobb]

Like Guthrie, but he's no Derek Trucks.

[Pookieson]

i like his Jimmy style stuff. pretty legit

[Whirled]

Shit sucks pal, I can't mosh to that.
Prefer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqqyXacqON4

I think I heard this at a battle of the bands.... 30 years ago :D

[quido]

Like Guthrie, but he's no Derek Trucks.

I love Derek Trucks too but it's not really a meaningful comparison. What I will say is I like how Guthrie beats you over the head with guitar playing. I watched an interview with Derek once and I don't remember the question, but he went on to explain that a good show takes the listener for a ride - ups and downs, not just 2 hours of beating people over the head. And maybe that's what most people want, but not me; I want gratuitous in your face relentless guitar playing. Guthrie gives me that and I love him for it.

I've been digging this track the last few days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXOh4oCLaFw - at least check out the solo at 2:45. Obviously Guthrie is a master of what he does, but there's something about his sound that just drives me wild. His tone on this track is so huge - I've never heard anything like it. I enjoy the Zappa element of the track and applaud Guthrie for making a Whammy pedal sound as good and as interesting as he did (the only other whammy pedal track I can think of that I enjoy is Pink Floyd's Marooned - fuck Tom Morello, he's a hack).

Guthrie rocks.