Ranger epic MQ under 55 ?? (yup I'm newish)

[Liberius]

I have a Ranger, I like to play my Ranger, currently I have mostly hung out with my Druid friend (and getting closer to their lvl, which will become grouping/duo). I'm not loaded with plat, and owe my Druid friend plat from the gear I currently wear (which isn't terrible... but certainly not great either), so the question at last....
Are the Ranger Epics able to be MQ'd, and before 55 ??? and has it happened.. what were the prices? Unless I get into a Raid guild I believe it will be extremely hard to even think about getting epics.
(as I have a job and a life and cannot be on all the time not saying that people who are in raid guilds don't have a life lol. I'm just saying that its hard for me to be able to find more then a couple hours a night to log on unless I have vacation/break from work.. or a weekend)
wow, ok just read all that i feel like I'm starting to ramble so ill cut it short.
-Thank you all for your time
-Epic MQ'able or not lol? (I can do that leg work, just can't take out raid bosses)

-Liberius the returning ranger

[sox7d]

cancer

[Cecily]

I was ready for ranger epic (short fay / Inny MQs) on Zalea at 35. TMO scum leadership disagree with me about how cool a lv 35 epic ranger would be so I had to wait till the less ridiculous level of 53. So yes, it's possible. No I'm not telling you how and cancer.

[Fanguru]

Last I check you could get VS stone for 125k, Inny stone for 200k.
I'm surprised Inny stone costs more since it's rangers only and not that useful in raids but there you go.
If you still owe money to your friend, good luck :)

[wycca]

I believe prices have plummeted on those items.

[Paleman]

Last I check you could get VS stone for 125k, Inny stone for 200k.
I'm surprised Inny stone costs more since it's rangers only and not that useful in raids but there you go.
If you still owe money to your friend, good luck :)

because the inny stone gets you earthcaller, which makes you alot more viable in groups. swiftwind is nice but you can get other haste items and be fine without it.

[Cecily]

So you think having a slow proc weapon makes you more viable in groups, but a 40% haste item is just ok?

[Daldaen]

So you think having a slow proc weapon makes you more viable in groups, but a 40% haste item is just ok?

Yes.

You can get 36% with a CoF.

You can't replace Earthcallers stats, DPS or proc. The 2hs sword with slow kills their DPS.

Tl;dr - All VS stones should go to druid epics.

[falkun]

Inny drop costs more than VS drop because VS drop is guaranteed while Inny's loot table is FUBAR.

[Cecily]

Earthcaller is a terrible group weapon unless you're tanking, the mobs are rooted, or you're ok with chain casting jolt.

[Liberius]

LOL ... cancer? is that the 'new' thing?? what's that supposed to mean on a forum? get cancer, i cant type because i have it, or is it a Ranger joke assuming all rangers have it???
anyway, i wasn't asking how to do the quest, I did the quest on live but in the LDoN era, so everything was much easier.

I was just curious if it was possible to even do the quest MQ'd because once you have the right faction with Tellin (unless you're a wood elf you already have the faction).. I thought he wouldn't even speak to you till lvl 55. The two swords are required to get the epics, but if you cant even start the quest its no use (other then saving foraged items you might need for the bowl and the rose).

However thank you for the estimated prices for the raid mob quest pieces that gives me a goal to shoot for... and I have my druid friend almost paid back hahaha, just need to save up more for the raid pieces.

so hopefully there are no hard feelings. it was just a question. happy killing.

[Cecily]

You sound like an ebayer. So yes, cancer.

[Liberius]

not an Ebayer lol. didnt know P99 was even thought about on ebay. oh well you can think what you want, but now i know why you said it. didn't mean to upset you guys with a question. As far as cancer no i don't have it, but i did get hurt my 3rd deployment in the Army. now i have to live life as a teacher... and that means i dont have cash to blow on ebay lol.

[Sage Truthbearer]

not an Ebayer lol. didnt know P99 was even thought about on ebay. oh well you can think what you want, but now i know why you said it. didn't mean to upset you guys with a question. As far as cancer no i don't have it, but i did get hurt my 3rd deployment in the Army. now i have to live life as a teacher... and that means i dont have cash to blow on ebay lol.

No worries, man. Not sure why some people on here feel the need to be unpleasant individuals to each other for asking questions.

[Paleman]

Earthcaller is a terrible group weapon unless you're tanking, the mobs are rooted, or you're ok with chain casting jolt.

or when your in a group without someone with slow, or soloing something with alot of HP, and arent able to kite, or when you dont have heals at all in your group. Im not saying its the best weapon but to say its not useful/good is ridic.

[Cecily]

I didn't say it wasn't good. It doesn't make you more "viable" for groups. Well I guess I did say it was terrible. The unpredictability of the huge agro on the weapon makes it a very bad choice when you're playing dps role. The effect is good, especially solo, but Swiftwind is the better of the pair.

[dartaniun]

Don't know about the prices of said MQs, but its going to be a lot. Both VS and Inny are highly contested mobs when on FFA so the demand is there for the kills (mostly in part to the epic parts for multiple classes).

As far as levels go, you can start the quest at 52. But I have seen a mid 20s ranger killing spiders in EK with a swiftwind in hand, so MQs can be done at much lower levels with the right amount of work and lots of plat. Probably need somewhere in the range of +200k plat for just the VS stone and emerald from Inny.

As far as the usefulness of the epics, yes you can get a CoF and get close to 40% haste from epic, but you're not going to find much better weapons as far as dps/stats/resists. The proc from earthcaller is an agro magnet, but if you are smart it is manageable in group situations. Some groups are easier than others, all depending on the tank. There are the situations that it's useful if you're tanking, tie it in with flame lick and there isn't a class that will pull the agro off you. So it can be a good thing or a bad thing (in which you have to work to manage it, but you can do it)

[dartaniun]

I will agree that from a grouping aspect the swiftwind is the better of the two. Although due to VS stones and people like Dald insisting they goto druids I ended up getting my earthcaller before swiftwind. Made for some odd times trying to figure out weapon combinations :)

[Pint]

I did the whole quest on my ranger at lvl47 and had the stones mq'd at 47, I'm not sure there is any req to starting the quest or talking to telin bc i didn't run in to any.

[Fanguru]

Earthcaller is a fun toy for soloing and some situations.
Swiftwind is the best offhand you can dream of, even in Velious.

Earthcaller would be awesome dps in Kunark but it gets you killed or lowers your dps because of chain jolt casts. Jolt being MR based, forget it on most raid mobs.
Also Velious brings very high AC mobs, where Earthcaller becomes way too slow to be efficient.

[Daldaen]

Jolt, like Concussion, does not need to land to take effect. A resisted jolt and a landed jolt both decrease aggro the same.

Any knight should be able to out aggro Earthcaller Procs in a group. If they can't, they need to cast more.

On a raid, if tank is burning Clicky aggro then ya using Earthcaller is fine until a slow is stuck on the boss (which can take a bit on some bosses, occasionally Rangers will proc and stick before a shaman or enchanter can slow which does help). Once there are better DPS options though obviously use those on raids.

[Fanguru]

Jolt, like Concussion, does not need to land to take effect. A resisted jolt and a landed jolt both decrease aggro the same.

Source? Why make Cinder jolt the exact same spell on a fire resist check then?

[Daldaen]

Source? Why make Cinder jolt the exact same spell on a fire resist check then?

Cause Devs aren't smart.

All aggro in EQ is a fixed value.

Every swing of a weapon is a fixed hate value. Whether that hit is a miss or a maximum critical hit.

Just like every spell has a fixed hate value. This is why tanks are able to use Midnight Mallets. Even though 99% of the targets they use them on are magic or slow immune, it still generates a huge amount of aggro.

The same works for spells which decrease aggro. Regardless of hit or resist, it drops your aggro the same. Test it out if you don't believe me. Find a magic or fire immune mob, get just over aggro from someone else, cast and see what happens on resist.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1584362&postcount=166 - Concussion evidence.

http://thedruidsgrove.org/archive/eq/t-6634.html - Jolt evidence:

P.S.
Testing on Jolt shows that a resisted Jolt still reduces aggro. I would point you over to the Ranger's Glade for proof, but they've got their panties in a bunch about another druid ability right now. Druids comming to the Glade to ask for Jolt is going to make them go super-critical.

Spell data on the spells is nearly the same. They both reduce aggro regardless.

[Aaramis]

I did the whole quest on my ranger at lvl47 and had the stones mq'd at 47, I'm not sure there is any req to starting the quest or talking to telin bc i didn't run in to any.

Pretty sure that's not classic. On live, I never saw people walking around with epics at level 1, despite MQ's, and yet you do here.
If memory serves, Telin wouldn't even talk to you unless you were level 51+, and hand-ins required you to be of similar level.

The OP's question is valid, coming from live. Things work a little differently here it seems.

[Cecily]

There's steps you have to do with a high level character. I did all text trigger parts with my 60 druid, and MQed stuff over to ranger at low level. I don't think the Runed bowl quest will work sub-50.

[Itap]

I still feel like the Ranger epic 1.0 should have been a bow

[Daldaen]

Pretty sure that's not classic. On live, I never saw people walking around with epics at level 1, despite MQ's, and yet you do here.
If memory serves, Telin wouldn't even talk to you unless you were level 51+, and hand-ins required you to be of similar level.

The OP's question is valid, coming from live. Things work a little differently here it seems.

Don't talk and don't accept turnins are two different things.

You don't remember it because it wasn't 4 years Kunark.

I finished many epics pre-50 on Live. Cleric, Rogue, think I did bard mid 40s... Maybe a wizard epic in there somewhere too. Warrior one I think I got done at like 10 or something stupid.

[Aaramis]

Don't talk and don't accept turnins are two different things.

You don't remember it because it wasn't 4 years Kunark.

I finished many epics pre-50 on Live. Cleric, Rogue, think I did bard mid 40s... Maybe a wizard epic in there somewhere too. Warrior one I think I got done at like 10 or something stupid.

Yeah, I realize the difference between doesn't talk and doesn't accept, but I had thought you needed to be 51+ to turn-in as well. That may have changed at some point, and simply nobody on my server had the courage to try a MQ at level 1 and risk losing something like a SEoC which was pretty rare (as was Jade Reaver for some reason).

Very interesting.

[Pint]

Yea I can't speak to whether or not its classic bc I finished my epics on live in the mid 50s iirc, but here on p99 I did not use any other toons to do talking or hand ins, I did it all at 47.

[dartaniun]

I still feel like the Ranger epic 1.0 should have been a bow

Yeah, no. Going to have to disagree due to the fact that archery is not a valid dps option until AAs came out with luclin.

For a pure roleplay aspect, I would somewhat agree that maybe a bow could have been a cool option, but not a good option for the gameplay

[evilkorn]

I bought a usb controller with "turbo" function just to autofire range attack during Kunark+, classic workarounds for classic mechanics.