Raiding in Class R

[Argh]

Theres a super G-Rated class R shit sling going on in Server chat. Let's bring that discussion to where it belongs: rnf.

Below is a breakdown of being in Class R from my expeirence.

http://i.imgur.com/n9AqRfe.png

[Gimp]

looks pretty accurate

[khanable]

haha

nice

[arsenalpow]

what % is me acting like a child and throwing tantrums, because that's what I heard I do

[Cecily]

That's in the TMO Hate circle jerk part.

[thieros]

What % is A Team getting epics?

[Daldaen]

What % is A Team getting epics?

Low due to aformentioned Taken Bullshit I would guess.

[Argh]

what % is me acting like a child and throwing tantrums, because that's what I heard I do

SURVEY SAYS.....

http://i.imgur.com/dsoyQVe.gif

[Kushie]

Confirmed best thread of 2015.

[Argh]

What % is A Team getting epics?

The A-Team has birthed so many epics, we got a spot on Maury:

http://i.imgur.com/EN0ji3h.gif

[Snagglepuss]

The RnF messiah has come. Pras! RnF is resurrected!

[arsenalpow]

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--nqcwbHzS--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/dbomn0czvln3afg9e36h.gif

almost!

[thieros]

The RnF messiah has come. Pras! RnF is resurrected!

http://i.imgur.com/YMnb0pt.png

CLOSE ENOUGH

[Juevento]

You forgot dealing with the fucking leach class R guilds that latch themselves onto other weak class R guilds and trick them out of the best loot.

[Nuktari]

http://i.imgur.com/YMnb0pt.png

CLOSE ENOUGH

The Upside-Down Epics!

http://media2.giphy.com/media/jLxrSu0SsagW4/200.gif

[Argh]

You forgot dealing with the fucking leach class R guilds that latch themselves onto other weak class R guilds and trick them out of the best loot.

Oh did I forget to mention the straw man boogeymen?

[Cecily]

You forgot dealing with the fucking leach class R guilds that latch themselves onto other weak class R guilds and trick them out of the best loot.

So would you say those leech guilds don't deserve the loot because they didn't earn it?

[Doors]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic_AybJAIJ8

[Argh]

http://i.imgur.com/5xDreCb.jpg

[Juevento]

So would you say those leech guilds don't deserve the loot because they didn't earn it?

Deserve ain't got nothin to do with it.

All I pointed out was a missing aspect of the class r raid experience.

[Pringles]

http://i.imgur.com/5xDreCb.jpg


Argh raising the bar on 'shops.

[Errakus]

The Upside-Down Epics!

http://media2.giphy.com/media/jLxrSu0SsagW4/200.gif

I fucking love Emma Stone in your sig.

[Kushie]

Pras Catherin the clarifier

[zanderklocke]

I love this community.

[Fanguru]

Taken bullshit takes over 75%, it diserves a specific breakdown. We need to see more! We need a list! We need tears!

[Swish]

http://i.imgur.com/5xDreCb.jpg

Should have been crucified for autofire however... 3rd party program, fraps footage upped to YouTube.

What on earth did he/she say to get out of that one?

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Im admittedly noob to the raid scene here, but I wanted to get my guild a shot at nobles, so I tracked it, got the exact time of death, got a force up to try for fte... and then watched while the SAME CLERIC from taken got the fte 2 weeks in a row with 60+ people spamming the spawn point. Unless someone can explain that one to me they are dirty cheaters in my book.... so someone explain how that happened so I can cheat too.

[Gimp]

someone explain how that happened

That screams autofire, although you'll never hear them admit to as much (again).

[Daldaen]

Have low ping, close to the server and spam target nearest/F8 while spamming a mallet, dispel staff or autoattack.

So much of this server's raid scene comes down to having a good internet connection. Every Draco or Maestro FTE comes down to which bard zones first. Or who sees the mob first and casts CotH first.

Going back to why full respawns of every raid mob every week is good. So that there's no shitting in a sock to get FTE.

Suggesting it's hacks is dumb though. Not much helps in such an FTE except Autofire and GMs or atleast Rogean can see if you are entering 100s of commands per second client side. Would be a quick banhammer.

[Gimp]

Suggesting it's hacks is dumb though.

How so? It's happened before.

[Daldaen]

How so? It's happened before.

And it was easily detected and the person doing so was suspended.

Wouldn't the same situation occur if the same behavior was happening?

[Gimp]

And it was easily detected and the person doing so was suspended.

Easily detected = admitted through a recording and uploaded to youtube?

I know you're biased on this, but people assuming Taken is using autofire is just going to be something you're going to have to deal with given the past history with it.

[Daldaen]

You don't think they cannot detect someone spamming the same key with the same inhuman frequency for a short time before a spawn? Pretty sure they posted about doing so somewhere, would need to investigate.

But regardless, GMs can certainly look into this magical cleric who is getting FTEs. However let's not pretend that there has never been someone with a good connect who has gotten multiple spam FTEs in a row... Many without the use of Hacks or Autofire. Sometime it's just blind luck + fantastic ping.

[arsenalpow]

Nobles need to be on the raid mob list, it's absolutely stupid that it's not.

You want a raid change? Write a strongly worded letter to your favorite staff member. A C/R split on mobs + FFA on full repops is the best way to fix it, but the class C guilds don't give a shit about the raid scene, it's all about dem pixels and the staff won't do anything unless the server has a unanimous desire to see change.

[Joyelle]

Im admittedly noob to the raid scene here, but I wanted to get my guild a shot at nobles, so I tracked it, got the exact time of death, got a force up to try for fte... and then watched while the SAME CLERIC from taken got the fte 2 weeks in a row with 60+ people spamming the spawn point. Unless someone can explain that one to me they are dirty cheaters in my book.... so someone explain how that happened so I can cheat too.

FYI I got FTE 3 weeks not 2. It's called autoattack. I got all 3 of the FTE's by swinging my cleric epic. Please explain to me how you can do that with autofire. PS There are logs and fraps showing me FTE'ing by swinging the water sprinkler. You can suck it. Stop crying and play better.

[Lictor]

FYI I got FTE 3 weeks not 2. It's called autoattack. I got all 3 of the FTE's by swinging my cleric epic. Please explain to me how you can do that with autofire. PS There are logs and fraps showing me FTE'ing by swinging the water sprinkler. You can suck it. Stop crying and play better.

Hmm a feminine name and cute cat avatar in taken. Are you also a man role playing a chick and mod your voice in vent?

[Erati]

Hmm a feminine name and cute cat avatar in taken. Are you also a man role playing a chick and mod your voice in vent?

she mods her voice to sound like a dude actually

truth story. /drops mike

[Jaxon]

http://giant.gfycat.com/LastAcidicChevrotain.gif

[bouncerr 2.0]

http://giant.gfycat.com/LastAcidicChevrotain.gif

this sickens me

[bouncerr 2.0]

join red no fte bs kill your enemy

[Joyelle]

Hmm a feminine name and cute cat avatar in taken. Are you also a man role playing a chick and mod your voice in vent?

My gender is irrelevant. The people who I care about know who I am. Believe what you want though because you will anyway! ;)

[wwoneo]

this sickens me

This is why the raid scene sucks.

[Lictor]

join red no fte bs kill your enemy

Ya come to red where a junkie felon on his 6th reroll from eating bans can strip steal your account again to pay for dem heroines, Ya feels

[zanderklocke]

http://giant.gfycat.com/LastAcidicChevrotain.gif

That looks awesome. That noble getting knocked from every direction by a player with synchronized swings.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Gr8 thrad

[BurgyK]

Best thread 2015

[Moodie]

You too could join Taken and enjoy the play style of your choosing. Want to take a few weeks off and not worry about being guild removed? Want to enjoy Class R mobs? Want to experience going toe to toe with Class C? Apply today: www.takenguild.com

[Synthlol]

You too could join Taken and enjoy the play style of your choosing. Want to take a few weeks off and not worry about being guild removed?]

This nerd is lying to you. I was guildremoved from Taken for not being a big enough nerd.

[Moodie]

This nerd is lying to you. I was guildremoved from Taken for not being a big enough nerd.

Our membership requirements are on our website. www.takenguild.com

[FindCorpse]

This thread made me chortle a little, good job RnF! Thanks for keeping this cesspool mildly entertaining. You may now continue your regularly scheduled asshattery.

[Tameth]

Argh, is your new guild crootin?

[arsenalpow]

Nah. Argh and Qelen are guns for hire atm. CTC yo

[Argh]

Autofire is completely irrelevant now.

[Sirken]

https://imageshack.com/a/img27/2977/k83.gif

[Pint]

Taken sucks, red is lame, down with tmo. Did I miss anything?

[Glitterati]

My gender is irrelevant. The people who I care about know who I am. Believe what you want though because you will anyway! ;)

Halliel is ride or die! She will shank you right in your face!

[kaev]

Nah. Argh and Qelen are guns for hire atm. CTC yo

Children's Theater Company?

[Daldaen]

Taken sucks, red is lame, down with tmo. Did I miss anything?

People like to regularly complain about fixes to the gameplay that are classic. May be worth throwing that in there.

Sit to camp and stand to cast have people extremely salty right now. I don't quite understand.

[Argh]

Taken sucks, red is lame, down with tmo. Did I miss anything?

The wonderfully pleasant pastel color pallet.

[Utmost]

Taken sucks, red is lame, down with tmo. Did I miss anything?

Jerry's dead, Phish sucks, get a job?

[Susvain2]

Where is the part for BDA going full retard pulling Inny to zone in?

[Oleris]

http://giant.gfycat.com/LastAcidicChevrotain.gif

LOL. That is great.

[Nuktari]

http://www.mtsenvironmental.ca/images/stories/updatefinal/AGRCULTURE/image001.jpg

http://media0.giphy.com/media/l8XOjeWI34m2s/200.gif

[Juevento]

Where is the part for BDA going full retard pulling Inny to zone in?

Who is the retard in that situation? The person running into a fully popped hate trying to FTE inny and ultimately wiping or the person who waits at the entrance for the derpies to get themselves killed then cleanly pull said inny to the zone where a camp was legally established and dispatch of him?

[kaev]

Who is the retard in that situation? The person running into a fully popped hate trying to FTE inny and ultimately wiping or the person who waits at the entrance for the derpies to get themselves killed then cleanly pull said inny to the zone where a camp was legally established and dispatch of him?

I'm gonna go with the retards who jumped all over petitionquest after wiping themselves with their premature ejac. Seriously guys, you gotta get it in first.

[Ella`Ella]

Who is the retard in that situation? The person running into a fully popped hate trying to FTE inny and ultimately wiping or the person who waits at the entrance for the derpies to get themselves killed then cleanly pull said inny to the zone where a camp was legally established and dispatch of him?

Except you can't claim the zone in as a camp which was ruled upon and therefore you're not allowed to pull Inny to zone.

[quido]

Taken always been a pissant guild full of idiots. Well ever since Glitter left =)

[Errakus]

Except you can't claim the zone in as a camp which was ruled upon and therefore you're not allowed to pull Inny to zone.

http://media.giphy.com/media/10yVlIBB2pWev6/giphy.gif

[Errakus]

http://media.giphy.com/media/10yVlIBB2pWev6/giphy.gif

Better... No edit button? :(

[arsenalpow]

You can pull Inny wherever you want as long as you aren't fucking with someone else's camp. IB TMO and Taken were all dead (which means you don't have a camp) so at that point we established our camp (at the zoneline) then pulled Inny (solo I might add) to our camp and killed him. You had no camp, you wiped, just accept defeat graciously. You should be good at it by now with the way IB has been bodying y'all lately.

[TMBLOW]

You can pull Inny wherever you want as long as you aren't fucking with someone else's camp. IB TMO and Taken were all dead (which means you don't have a camp) so at that point we established our camp (at the zoneline) then pulled Inny (solo I might add) to our camp and killed him. You had no camp, you wiped, just accept defeat graciously. You should be good at it by now with the way IB has been bodying y'all lately.


ahem

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1522730&postcount=6

[arsenalpow]

Learn to read, "need to" doesn't mean that it's a rule

[Heebo]

http://giant.gfycat.com/LastAcidicChevrotain.gif

Class R so toxic. Make all spawns class C. Repops full FFA.

[TMBLOW]

Learn to read, "need to" doesn't mean that it's a rule

Oh I can read, just assuming the tagged leader of BDA Sadad agrees that Inny should be fought in his room yet you guys planned to pull it anyway

thats all. carry on RnF

Taken sucks, Catherin voice mod, bush/towers, Jeremy is fat and um what am I missing

[arsenalpow]

Oh I can read, just assuming the tagged leader of BDA Sadad agrees that Inny should be fought in his room yet you guys planned to pull it anyway

thats all. carry on RnF

Taken sucks, Catherin voice mod, bush/towers, Jeremy is fat and um what am I missing

Tagged leader of BDA is me. I can even agree with that, I liked the Ambrotos rule, but it's not the rule currently, so try harder at RnFing.

[Ella`Ella]

Tagged leader of BDA is me. I can even agree with that, I liked the Ambrotos rule, but it's not the rule currently, so try harder at RnFing.

It actually is the rule. Which has been observed by every other guild since July - except BDA, of course.

[TMO so immersed]

Taken sucks, Catherin voice mod, bush/towers, Jeremy is fat and um what am I missing

You forgot that Detoxx has puffy nipples and Argh is a drama queen over a elf sim

[SamwiseRed]

hilarious

http://giant.gfycat.com/LastAcidicChevrotain.gif

[arsenalpow]

It actually is the rule. Which has been observed by every other guild since July - except BDA, of course.

It's not the rule, just because you live in a class C bubble where you make your own rules for your bubble doesn't mean it's the actual server rule.

[Ella`Ella]

It's not the rule, just because you live in a class C bubble where you make your own rules for your bubble doesn't mean it's the actual server rule.

What you did was cause raid interference on several guilds trying to recover by illegally camping at the zone in and denied each guild an attempt on Innoruuk.

Even in your world this isn't legal.

[arsenalpow]

What you did was cause raid interference on several guilds trying to recover by illegally camping at the zone in and denied each guild an attempt on Innoruuk.

Even in your world this isn't legal.

You were dead and dragging to regroup near the well. Sorry.

[Ella`Ella]

You were dead and dragging to regroup near the well. Sorry.

We were being displaced by BDA illegally pulling to zone in and were trying to avoid wiping again due to their infraction/lack of consideration.

You cost several guilds an attempt at Innoruuk.

[arsenalpow]

We were being displaced by BDA illegally pulling to zone in and were trying to avoid wiping again due to their infraction/lack of consideration.

You cost several guilds an attempt at Innoruuk.

Incorrect. If anything the train that IB started was the biggest zone disruption, luckily we pulled Inny cleanly after you all wiped.

[Susvain2]

all im saying is this terrible vomit inducing rule bs is why 5? 6? bda officers play RED.come over chest, ill help you get started

[arsenalpow]

all im saying is this terrible vomit inducing rule bs is why 5? 6? bda officers play RED.come over chest, ill help you get started

the guild has a whole bunch of red alts, it's something to do

[Juevento]

We were being displaced by BDA illegally pulling to zone in and were trying to avoid wiping again due to their infraction/lack of consideration.

You cost several guilds an attempt at Innoruuk.

Fucking Detoxx said you quit. God damned liar.

[Susvain2]

hey theres 16tmo last i checked playing on red.

red the place where tmo/ib/bda/asgard/taken all raid together. prob more class in there too, oh indignation is in the guild too

[Susvain2]

Fucking Detoxx said you quit. God damned liar.

Grats the MY FUHRER on PD LOOT

[khanable]

hey theres 16tmo last i checked playing on red.

red the place where tmo/ib/bda/asgard/taken all raid together.

I'd love for Chest to get a high level toon on red but this is not how you get him to do it

:p

[Ella`Ella]

Grats the MY FUHRER on PD LOOT

Danke

[Man0warr]

Lot of salt in this thread.

[Argh]

On the subject of the original pie chart...

"Putting up with Taken's bullshit" is apparently in reference to contested (FFA/Nobles) engages. Being Class R doesn't require you to engage FFA targets. So being Class R doesn't require you to "put up with Taken's bullshit". Perhaps that largest fraction of the pie chart should be labelled, "Whining about having competition on FFA targets" instead.

Nah it has to do with them going full retard on FAP constantly.

[Thulack]

I miss all you retards sooooooo much :)

[Troubled]

All guilds suck and are to be avoided.


Cucumbers, where the fuck are you?

[Cecily]

All guilds suck and are to be avoided.

[Anichek]

http://i.imgur.com/5xDreCb.jpg

Shit after this work, can I have one?

[arsenalpow]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156672

Mon Jun 23 21:55:25 2014 Sirken BROADCASTS, 'Hail my fellow Norrathians! Just a fun reminder about Plane of Hate - If there's already a guild at the entrance, your guild is not allowed to pull Inny to the entrance - set up camp somewhere else. thanks!'

Sirken,

Can you please clarify if this

sure can,

If there's already a guild at the entrance, your guild is not allowed to pull Inny to the entrance, set up camp somewhere else

So let's recap shall we? IB first on the scene, engages near Inny's room while kiting away a chunk of the zone, stall tanks for a bit, eventually IB wipes, the train comes back and eats TMO and Taken who were waiting steps away from IB's engage hoping to vulture an FTE. Everyone wipes except BDA. Inny resets, we cleanly tag Inny and bring him to our established camp.

We were the last man standing, no other guild had an established camp and if you really want to argue that you had one you were near the well trying to rebuild from your wipe. You weren't camped at the entrance, we were, if you want to argue that you were camped at the entrance then you definitely violated Sirken's written rule, you needed to set up camp somewhere else.

And just because this is RnF:

http://i.imgur.com/vPUHncC.gif

[Cecily]

I'm not sure where Sirken says if there's a guild with an established camp at entrance, don't pull Inny there. But he did say,"If there's already a guild at the entrance, your guild is not allowed to pull Inny to the entrance, set up camp somewhere else."

I know reading comprehension doesn't come as easy to everyone, but there's a difference between what you're saying and what the rule is.

[arsenalpow]

I'm not sure where Sirken says if there's a guild with an established camp at entrance, don't pull Inny there. But he did say,"If there's already a guild at the entrance, your guild is not allowed to pull Inny to the entrance, set up camp somewhere else."

I know reading comprehension doesn't come as easy to everyone, but there's a difference between what you're saying and what the rule is.

so 4 guilds port up to hate, IB engages near Inny's room and that's now their camp, TMO and Taken setup right next to IB, they all get wiped out. BDA sets up camp at the entrance, we pull and kill at the entrance

explain to me where i'm out of line

[Cecily]

I think we think we were at ent. You think otherwise.

I didn't attend the raid and I'm just talking shit. *hugs*

[Argh]

Shit after this work, can I have one?

http://i.imgur.com/6RGbOne.gif

[Kushie]

http://i.imgur.com/6RGbOne.gif


HEIL ANICHEK

[bouncerr 2.0]

Ya come to red where a junkie felon on his 6th reroll from eating bans can strip steal your account again to pay for dem heroines, Ya feels

felt alot of anger in this post, btw who are you??




no1

got it

[Nuktari]

http://media1.giphy.com/media/EzFiqNNOH9O1i/200.gif

let it all out!

[Susvain2]

Chest, TMO never wiped. We camped out like adults. We were in the best position, played the the events the best. We deserved the mage epic, but BDA went full retard and fucked things up for everyone.

[Argh]

Actually, upon closer inspection... The pie chart itself is titled incorrectly. The title should be, "A breakdown of activities required for being a whiny bitch trying to turn blue99 into a vending machine."

That's right; I said it. :|

Taken takes credit for having championed the creation of the vending machine.

[arsenalpow]

Chest, TMO never wiped. We camped out like adults. We were in the best position, played the the events the best. We deserved the mage epic, but BDA went full retard and fucked things up for everyone.

so if you camped out you obviously didn't have a camp no?

[Ravager]

Actually, upon closer inspection... The pie chart itself is titled incorrectly. The title should be, "A breakdown of activities required for being a whiny bitch trying to turn blue99 into a vending machine."

That's right; I said it. :|

The vending machine analogy is piss poor. People earn money and then give that earned money to the vending machine to receive their tasty treat. Try again.

[Argh]

It's less like a vending machine and more like a giant circle jerk with rewards for the most cunning hand jobs.

Heres a light summary of FAP I posted in an outgoing memo.



FAP Forums:

This is the secret Class R leadership/officer forums. Here you will have to semi-frequently craft or help craft policy changes to the Class R rules. You will, at times, have to adjudicate disputes between other R guilds. As of late there has not been a great deal of activity since BDA went to class C. You will likely have to experience a very lengthy vent summit to hash out rule changes that are very divided.

FAP party lines are generally divided like so:

A: Indignation, Omni, Europa, Azure Guard, Asgard, MC
B: Divinity, Taken, BDA
Interrelations:

Taken is the North Korea of the rotation. They are typically opposed to everything that doesn't net them more mobs. They have six different officers who will argue against you, while at the same time failing to agree on any point amongst themselves. Everyone's concern when Taken gets upset is that they will go rogue and leave the rotation, and they leverage this into placation from guilds. Their relations have improved since Fearstalker returned and will continue to improve if he returns for good.
[redacted]

Divinity is typically aligned with Taken on most issues. They're likely to work with Nemce with regard to compromising. They're relations with Taken were souring, and have stood against them twice on recent issues.
[redacted]

BDA typically tries to mediate. They will propose compromises. BDA's compromises generally favor the B side, and their main concern is making sure Taken doesn't rage quit the rotation and keeping the rotation together. Omni is a guild that split from BDA--they still seem adversarial toward them. They're relations with Taken were souring.
[redacted]

Azure Guard typically tries to mediate. They will propose compromises. Their compromises generally favor the A side.
[redacted]

Europa typically agrees with any of the group A proposals, and are very easy to deal with. They are good for partnering if we have any windows in the early am or if they need help over our primetime, or if we want to learn french, spanish, german, etc.
[redacted]

Asgard was one of the larger voices in group A when Art was still around, but I think he may be inactive now. Recently they agree with any of the R proposals.
[redacted]

Indignation is usually our go to if we ever need support. We've had a close relationship with them in the past. [redacted]
[redacted]

Omni is a relatively new guild. It is made up of what used to be the core of BDA's daytime raid crew. They will, more often than not, put forth proposals on policy changes when there are issues, and very open to changing their stance after debate.
[redacted]

[arsenalpow]

moar redacted please

[Troubled]

It's less like a vending machine and more like a giant circle jerk with rewards for the most cunning hand jobs.

Heres a light summary of FAP I posted in an outgoing memo.

Not inflammatory enough. Ban from RNF.

[khanable]

more like a giant circle jerk with rewards for the most cunning hand jobs.

That's a pretty perfect description

[Argh]

Not inflammatory enough. Ban from RNF.

http://i.imgur.com/C5YM4WC.gif

[Oleris]

http://i.imgur.com/C5YM4WC.gif

http://share.gifyoutube.com/vnJ7bD.gif

[Rivthis]

This thread was a great read because [redacted]

Hope you all agree with me.

[Raev]

Argh with some great gifs here. Also the [redacted] parts were just his opinion of their opinion of him. And more flames of Taken, of course.

[Joyelle]

It's less like a vending machine and more like a giant circle jerk with rewards for the most cunning hand jobs.

Heres a light summary of FAP I posted in an outgoing memo.

Wait, you're telling me someone from FAP has been giving out handjobs? Where is mine :(

[Ravager]

Wait, you're telling me someone from FAP has been giving out handjobs? Where is mine :(

You gotta get a spot in the rotation.

[Argh]

Wait, you're telling me someone from FAP has been giving out handjobs? Where is mine :(

The hand job list is too long, you end up only get one or two hand jobs per year.

[TMO so immersed]

Taken could always contest any Class R mob that they are not locked out of instead of competing against Class C on FFA Mobs. Sounds like Taken has been pretty reasonable to the leach guilds so far.

[quido]

I think they should!

[quido]

Someone needs to smash the rotation. I should just start offering platinum to people who do.

[khanable]

that's a penis!

[Pint]

http://media1.giphy.com/media/EzFiqNNOH9O1i/200.gif

let it all out!

good advice nukt but maybe not for this crowd =x

[iruinedyourday]

Someone needs to smash the rotation. I should just start offering platinum to people who do.

I would buy seats to this show

[Anichek]

http://i.imgur.com/6RGbOne.gif

Thanks meng....made that my FAP signature. Just easier than typing the shit out!

[Anichek]

Someone needs to smash the rotation. I should just start offering platinum to people who do.

http://i.imgur.com/291U5yX.png (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLt7oSVJuSM)

[Fael]

1. Tmo had, at the zone in, a raid force as defined by Server Rules.
2. Honestly, nobody seems to have any idea if pulling to the zone in was allowed anymore; as the rules seem to change so much.
3. Regardless, every other guild but BDA was operating under the perception that pulling to the zone in was raid suspension worthy.
4. However, grats to BDA on having an innovative idea. Will it have been worth the risk is the question.

Dolic

[wycca]

You can pull Inny wherever you want as long as you aren't fucking with someone else's camp. IB TMO and Taken were all dead (which means you don't have a camp) so at that point we established our camp (at the zoneline) then pulled Inny (solo I might add) to our camp and killed him. You had no camp, you wiped, just accept defeat graciously. You should be good at it by now with the way IB has been bodying y'all lately.

Chest, TMO wasn't wiped. A few dead =/= wipe. We had a raid force of 18-22 camped at the ramp waiting for the chaos from IB/Taken to dissipate, and we had another 2-3 groups at zone in waiting. That's what made the decision to pull to ZI with the rules in place a bad one. There was another guild in the zone and they had an engage-capable force at the zone in that you pulled to. Thus the responses you're getting.

This is why nobody else had the idea to pull to zone-in, the basics are that you're in danger of a suspension if there's any competition in the zone who happens to be there. It's just not worth it. I'm guessing if there were 4 guilds competing, and all 3 had actually wiped, it wouldn't be an issue, but while 2 guilds did wipe, the 3rd did not, and now you are hearing raid rules discussed instead of how lol it was 3 guilds wiped and you got the kill.

If you didn't realize TMO hadn't wiped (which appears to be the case), then you really just need some better raid intelligence going and to keep closer track on /who's, corpses, and FTE messages (hint - it's hard for TMO to be wiped when we didn't get a real FTE message and had a handful of corpses, but had ~30+ cycle into the zone).

[Swish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOZuxwVk7TU

[Man0warr]

If you camped out, then you didn't have a raid force in zone thus no camp.

GMs have said you can claim zone in as camp in Hate. Since everyone else moved up and wiped/camped out, we claimed the zone in and pulled accordingly after your clusterfuck trains were dissipated.

[Man0warr]

Also, we could have easily just moved up out of the zone in slightly and made the same pull - there were not many mobs up on first floor due to Asgard? clearing Hate a few hours before.

There was no tactical advantage to killing at zone in, we just did it that way because we had it claimed as our camp.

You guys are just rules lawyering - after you wiped/camped there was zero chance you were going to beat us to Inny, no matter where we engaged.

[Phantasm]

The only puller you guys had in Inny's room went to retrieve corpses. You had no shot this time around, be humble in your defeat and gracious in your victory

[Susvain2]

You guys are just rules lawyering - after you wiped/camped there was zero chance you were going to beat us to Inny, no matter where we engaged.

Listen pal, you got one raid mob, don't get a big head

You're still BDA, if we wanted to break the rules we woulda killed it long before BDA pulled it to the entrance. We're TMO, and we're better than you

[arsenalpow]

Feed the machine. Maybe you can convince a-team or AG that the pixels are worth it after all.

[Oleris]

Glad I am taking a break until velious after reading this.

[arsenalpow]

Because we didn't do anything wrong. TMO had a force camped out at the well which is acknowledged in this thread. IB and Taken got wiped out. If TMO's imaginary camp (that isn't even a camp when the raid force logs out to avoid a train) actually existed it would be at the well area or higher on the ramp, regardless BDA set up camp at the entrance. I posted the thread citing the rule. We did not break any rule. Get over it.

[sweeni]

Trololoool

[Ravager]

Chest, TMO wasn't wiped. A few dead =/= wipe. We had a raid force of 18-22 camped at the ramp waiting for the chaos from IB/Taken to dissipate, and we had another 2-3 groups at zone in waiting. That's what made the decision to pull to ZI with the rules in place a bad one. There was another guild in the zone and they had an engage-capable force at the zone in that you pulled to. Thus the responses you're getting.

This is why nobody else had the idea to pull to zone-in, the basics are that you're in danger of a suspension if there's any competition in the zone who happens to be there. It's just not worth it. I'm guessing if there were 4 guilds competing, and all 3 had actually wiped, it wouldn't be an issue, but while 2 guilds did wipe, the 3rd did not, and now you are hearing raid rules discussed instead of how lol it was 3 guilds wiped and you got the kill.

If you didn't realize TMO hadn't wiped (which appears to be the case), then you really just need some better raid intelligence going and to keep closer track on /who's, corpses, and FTE messages (hint - it's hard for TMO to be wiped when we didn't get a real FTE message and had a handful of corpses, but had ~30+ cycle into the zone).

Sounds to me like you're just pissed you got leapfrogged, the signature TMO move.

[Troubled]

Someone needs to smash the rotation. I should just start offering platinum to people who do.

How much plat? Rotation's turned out to be a little too soft anyway.

[arsenalpow]

Lets look at your recent track record:

You kill a C mob and then blame the staff for moving to C.
you return to R and then blame the staff for doing it on a time that wasn't perfect for you .
You pull a AE Raid Boss to a zone entrance and basicly block it with that mob then blame the guilds trying to recover, who are FORCED to zone in to recover or just in general trying enter the plane ontop of that raid boss that you pulled to the entrance just to block everyone else.

If that isn't raid interference I don't know what is.
there is no diffence to what you did then anyone who intentionaly pulls a train and drops it on someone else's raid force, you guys should be suspended for a month!

You're an idiot

There was grey area regarding tag vs kill, we tagged seconds before, we killed minutes after

The staff moved us back to R on a timeline that wasn't consistent with what Sirken and I had discussed, shit happens.

We pulled Inny to the zone in where BDA had established camp. The other raid forces were dead or camped out. I cited the rule stating that what we did was perfectly reasonable. You could be any flavor and you chose salty.

[khanable]

Innoruuk needs the Sergeant Slate leash, clearly

[Ella`Ella]

We pulled Inny to the zone in where BDA had established camp. The other raid forces were dead or camped out. I cited the rule stating that what we did was perfectly reasonable. You could be any flavor and you chose salty.

It's only reasonable because it suits you and your 'ilk'. You and I both know that every other guild has observed not engaging Inny at the zone in because it's not a valid camp. Do you really consider calling the point of the zone where players are forced to enter by the very mechanics of the game a 'reasonable' place to camp?

You clearly interfered with the raid scene and once again, BDA is causing discord in FFA.

[Fanguru]

I'm not demanding blood or anything, but killing at Hate zone-in should be avoided at all times. It is interfering with anyone zoning in.
It would be nice to have this set as rule for next time: do not pull AoE raid mobs to zone-in.

[Ravager]

Innoruuk needs the Sergeant Slate leash, clearly

Every mob in the game does, imo. No more bard kite crying, no more chardok ae crying, no more raid mob pull crying.

[khanable]

Every mob in the game does, imo. No more bard kite crying, no more chardok ae crying, no more raid mob pull crying.

Fuck it, throw in summoning with just proximity aggro (i.e., 100% health). Stealth patch.

Ultra luls

[Funkutron5000]

But where would you find a big enough leash for a dragon? I haven't seen too many pet stores around Norrath.

[arsenalpow]

It's only reasonable because it suits you and your 'ilk'. You and I both know that every other guild has observed not engaging Inny at the zone in because it's not a valid camp. Do you really consider calling the point of the zone where players are forced to enter by the very mechanics of the game a 'reasonable' place to camp?

You clearly interfered with the raid scene and once again, BDA is causing discord in FFA.

I'm not demanding blood or anything, but killing at Hate zone-in should be avoided at all times. It is interfering with anyone zoning in.
It would be nice to have this set as rule for next time: do not pull AoE raid mobs to zone-in.

It is a valid camp, Sirken even said as much. I know you're smarter than this. IB wiped, Taken wiped, TMO logged out to avoid wiping. At that point only BDA is in zone minus misc FD classes. We have the absolute right to establish camp anywhere we want at that point.

How is it any different than someone making camp at the well, then someone else making camp at the top of the ramp. The well guild is forced to pull through the camp of the guild sitting on front of Inny's room. Is that raid interference too? You are allowed to pull Inny, there is no rule saying he must be killed in his room. The last time that was a rule was when Ambrotos made it one.

We chose our camp, we cleanly pulled Inny, we didn't train anyone with adds, and we successfully killed the target. I'm sorry you didn't get Inny this time. The loot was really good too.

[Fanguru]

My concern is not about this particular incident but the future.

Another guild should be able to zone-in after you and be able to group up without getting caught in the middle of your attempt.

[Kushie]

Petitioned. Lawyer up bitch, TMO needs loot.

[Funkutron5000]

TMO will now be engaging Gorenaire at either the wizard spires or the druid rings. That's our camp. Sorry that you just ported in and got blasted by a nasty ice dragon!

But, it doesn't work quite as well due to being able to run into and out of the zone at other locations. Shit. The problem with Inny to zone in is you're blocking THE ONLY WAY INTO THE FUCKING ZONE.

[arsenalpow]

My concern is not about this particular incident but the future.

Another guild should be able to zone-in after you and be able to group up without getting caught in the middle of your attempt.

They can always wait to port up, or they can zone in and move away from our camp.

[Ella`Ella]

Chest does not understand this because he got loot. But next time when TMO pulls to the zone in and BDA does not get loot, this will be a crime against pixels.

[arsenalpow]

TMO will now be engaging Gorenaire at either the wizard spires or the druid rings. That's our camp. Sorry that you just ported in and got blasted by a nasty ice dragon!

But, it doesn't work quite as well due to being able to run into and out of the zone at other locations. Shit. The problem with Inny to zone in is you're blocking THE ONLY WAY INTO THE FUCKING ZONE.

You were already in zone. Your forces camped out.

What happens when TMO sets up at the well, BDA sets up at the top of the spiral ramp. You have to pull directly through BDA to bring Inny to your camp. Who is interfering with who?

[cs616]

This thread shows that despite his claims to the contrary, Chest is probably the biggest "rule lawyer" on this server. Yes or no, we're there people at the zone in? Clearly the answer is yes, so even if TMO had camped out at the well, a portion of their raid was still present at the zone in, meaning that it was indeed a camp for at least part of their raid force. You cant just declare for other guilds where their camp is, and setting up a camp in one place doesn't mean the camp can't be moved to another place. For these reasons, most guilds would never even consider trying to declare a camp at the zone in since it is the most likely place for another guild to set up camp for a recovery and port in. Basically, the idea that you can declare some in as your camp is ridiculous since it is a bottle neck to the zone.

Additionally, wasn't Chest one of the people who was originally against killing Inny at zone? Pulling him to zone used to be SOP, but I seem to remember Chest and some other people crying about trains and how it blocks other people from entering the zone and setting up unharassed.

Anyone who hasn't figured out by now that Chest is just a less successful version of his class C counterparts masquerading as a champion of the people needs to take their head out of the sand. Dude is more toxic than class C, and I for one fully support his request to be transferred to a new server.

[Pint]

This is good stuff, you're clearly in the wrong here chest but you just don't give up lol

[arsenalpow]

Chest does not understand this because he got loot. But next time when TMO pulls to the zone in and BDA does not get loot, this will be a crime against pixels.

My guild got loot, a starving Mage main got an epic. I personally rarely get loot anymore.

I know that earth staff could have kept the lights on in your hovel for a few weeks but sometimes you lose. Be gracious for once instead of going straight to PetitionQuest.

[Kushie]

My guild got loot, a starving Mage main got an epic. I personally rarely get loot anymore.

I know that earth staff could have kept the lights on in your hovel for a few weeks but sometimes you lose. Be gracious for once instead of going straight to PetitionQuest.

http://www.troll.me/images2/tity-2-chainz/tru-tru.jpg

[zanderklocke]

This thread has become very boring to read over the last few pages. It started out strong; now, it's the typical poo slinging rhetoric back and forth.

[arsenalpow]

Ok young lawyers, here is the specific thread where Sirken established precedence (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156672)

Feel free to cite the part where it is illegal to pull Inny to the zone in. Please keep in mind that IB and Taken fully wiped, and TMO was camped out right next to IB/Taken avoiding a train.

[cs616]

That thread does kind of shift blame in this particular instance to the GMs for failing to clarify when people asked further questions. This entire scenario is pretty much spelled out in that thread with no response, leading to the ambitious understanding of the rules for hate camps.

Still pretty ridiculous rule lawyering though since exploiting ambiguity in the rules is essentially the definition of rule lawyering. If I were still raiding I'd propose my guild port up, declare zone in our camp, and then immediately petition anyone who ports up and doesn't promptly leave our camp for raid interference.

[Ella`Ella]

You were already in zone. Your forces camped out.

What happens when TMO sets up at the well, BDA sets up at the top of the spiral ramp. You have to pull directly through BDA to bring Inny to your camp. Who is interfering with who?

TMO doesn't enter the zone at the well. Do you know why?

Hint: It's not the zone-in.

[Blaza]

Thread getting boring....more pie charts.

[Raev]

The reality is that having 4 guilds in Plane of Hate is always gonna lead to dumb shit. I can only imagine the tears when someone trains 4 flurry drakes on someone's raid in ToV, leading to 50 "an Onyx Defender executes a flurry of attack's on X's corpse" over the course of 12 seconds.

I wish I could make the staff understand that competition in EQ was mostly about solving new expansions, not having 4 guilds in the same zone trying for the same target. I'm not saying it never happened, but generally speaking the elite raid guilds were the elite raid guilds because they had the playtime and creativity to solve the new puzzles Verant created for them every 6 months.

[Tayy]

I don't understand how you can claim raid interference when you've died or camped and another guild pulls a mob solo and kills it without actually hindering anyone in anyway. Honestly you have to cause something to have happened to prevent someone from doing something. Preventing you from getting FTE and killing a mob that is already agro'd with FTE established by another guild isn't interfering, who cares where the camp was? From what I've read, it sounds like Inny was pulled solo and killed within minutes. I haven't seen TMO say they got attacked or killed, I haven't seen anyone say they got trained by BDA. The only thing I'm seeing is you didn't get a valid shot at a mob that was already agro'd with FTE by another guild and was then killed in short order. How can that in any way be construed as interference? You were not denied entry to the zone, you didn't die by zoning in, unless I'm missing something? I'm not even in a guild involved in this but I find this makes no sense to me.

[Kushie]

I don't understand how you can claim raid interference when you've died or camped and another guild pulls a mob solo and kills it without actually hindering anyone in anyway. Honestly you have to cause something to have happened to prevent someone from doing something. Preventing you from getting FTE and killing a mob that is already agro'd with FTE established by another guild isn't interfering, who cares where the camp was? From what I've read, it sounds like Inny was pulled solo and killed within minutes. I haven't seen TMO say they got attacked or killed, I haven't seen anyone say they got trained by BDA. The only thing I'm seeing is you didn't get a valid shot at a mob that was already agro'd with FTE by another guild and was then killed in short order. How can that in any way be construed as interference? You were not denied entry to the zone, you didn't die by zoning in, unless I'm missing something? I'm not even in a guild involved in this but I find this makes no sense to me.

This is how TMO operates. Spam /petition when you don't get loot, they've been doing it for years. There was no interference.

[Ravager]

The reality is that having 4 guilds in Plane of Hate is always gonna lead to dumb shit. I can only imagine the tears when someone trains 4 flurry drakes on someone's raid in ToV, leading to 50 "an Onyx Defender executes a flurry of attack's on X's corpse" over the course of 12 seconds.

I wish I could make the staff understand that competition in EQ was mostly about solving new expansions, not having 4 guilds in the same zone trying for the same target. I'm not saying it never happened, but generally speaking the elite raid guilds were the elite raid guilds because they had the playtime and creativity to solve the new puzzles Verant created for them every 6 months.

This is exactly why Class C can't support more than 2 guilds and they either raid together or merge. The staff should just admit that FFA with a dozen raid guilds on the server is a total failure and way more trouble than it's worth for everyone involved and eliminate it except on repops.

[slappytwotoes]

Who gives a fuck about Inny... moar gifs!

[Samoht]

i love how dumbrella's approach is actually going to cause moar trains and moar griefing.

guise, it's much easier and moar civil if we require all raid zones to operate by training trash away like TMO does in VP/PoFear.

[kaev]

How much plat? Rotation's turned out to be a little too soft anyway.

Word! Recruiting for <Forceful Omni> opening soon, contact Marcusd in-game for app requirements.

[Errakus]

Maybe we should bring back Doljonijiarnimorinar...

[Troubled]

i love how dumbrella's approach is actually going to cause moar trains and moar griefing.

guise, it's much easier and moar civil if we require all raid zones to operate by training trash away like TMO does in VP/PoFear.

There's the rub. Training all your shit up to inny's room while everyone frantically races up there is not a wise way to get FTE and it wiped 3 guilds. Pulling inny cleanly to zone wiped 0 guilds. The proof's in the pudding. Is TMO petioning IB and Taken, and IB petitioning TMO and Taken, and Taken petitioning IB and TMO for training each other at Inny? No, Unbrella is fixated on what Chest did that didn't cause any harm.

Why do you need the zone in if you're camped out?

[Samoht]

Why do you need the zone in if you're camped out?

because TMO clearly needs two camps to kill inny. they're not giving up the zone in camp when they move up to the well, they're just dividing their force so that they get a second FTE after the first group wipes/camps.

on track: camping the zone in in hate is a requirement. despite what dumbrella would have you believe, it's not debatable: you must clear the zone in in order progress through the rest of the zone. therefore, anybody pulling to the zone in has established themselves as camping the zone in.

if TMO had established a camp at the zone in and planned to continue to pull there, shame on chest for planting a raid on top of them and then pulling on top of them. if TMO had really moved up, then they relinquished any claim to the camp at the zone in, and BDA has clear claim to the camp and any remaining TMO must leave the zone or move to the TMO camp, or else they have no further claim to camp.

then, if chest pulls inny to the zone in while passing through every opposing camp ultimately training them and wiping their raid, then shame on chest. but if chest pulls inny to the zone in (to his established camp), and there are no other raid forces in between the spawn and the BDA raid force, then it sounds like a clean pull to me.

[Ella`Ella]

Why do you need the zone in if you're camped out?



Why do you need the zone in?



Why do you zone in?



Why zone in?



zone in

[arsenalpow]

TMO claims all camps in the zone.

[Ravager]

lol at the raid discussion thread. I hope Sirken and Deru have the sense to not let Unbrella drag them into another 8 hour vent conference.

[Troubled]

Why do you need the zone in if you're camped out?

[SyanideGas]

I did not have sexual relations with that woman.

[Funkutron5000]

I know it might be hard to believe, but sometimes raids get somewhat separated. Also, it turns out, not everyone always ports up at the same time. This leads to a mix of people who could be at the zone in, which is a safe area after the initial mobs have been cleared. Other guilds could be sending up reinforcements to aid in a corpse run to try and take another shot a the mob. People could be switching toons because the class composition of your raid isn't right and you need more wars/ clerics/ whatever. There are multiple reasons why people might be zoning in to the plane of Hate. Now, because there is only one place to zone in, it's kind of a shitty move to, say, pull a mob that tosses out AoEs on to the ONLY PLACE THAT PEOPLE CAN ZONE IN TO THE ZONE.

But TMO did blah blah blah in the past so who cares

[arsenalpow]

I know it might be hard to believe, but sometimes raids get somewhat separated. Also, it turns out, not everyone always ports up at the same time. This leads to a mix of people who could be at the zone in, which is a safe area after the initial mobs have been cleared. Other guilds could be sending up reinforcements to aid in a corpse run to try and take another shot a the mob. People could be switching toons because the class composition of your raid isn't right and you need more wars/ clerics/ whatever. There are multiple reasons why people might be zoning in to the plane of Hate. Now, because there is only one place to zone in, it's kind of a shitty move to, say, pull a mob that tosses out AoEs on to the ONLY PLACE THAT PEOPLE CAN ZONE IN TO THE ZONE.

But TMO did blah blah blah in the past so who cares

TMO claims all camps as their own, nothing shall ever be pulled, thus is the will of Corova.

[Ravager]

But TMO did blah blah blah in the past so who cares

The uppance have come.

[Blaza]

Tether all mobs at their spawn points, make all guilds clear to them.

or just release Velious, whichever is easier.

[Lazie]

TMO claims all camps as their own, nothing shall ever be pulled, thus is the will of Corova.

So... To be clear... are you claiming the following...

1. BDA was the first guild to zone into Hate.
2. No other guild had people at zone in when BDA decided to train Inny to zone in ? (I've seen the fraps this is mostly for the people you are trying to kid.)

BTW I can name some of the TMO at zone in thanks to said fraps.

Zarkanoff
Ferns
Borf
Doktyr
Portaholic
Icare wizard
Krime

There were others there as well...But can just see the tags and not the names. So you are claiming your guild zoned into Hate and established a camp on top of another guild already there.

So.. I ask again... How did BDA establish a camp at zone in when a guild that ported up first was still at zone in ? Why can't BDA follow simple rules about establishing a camp elsewhere like Sirken strongly suggested ? Why did BDA pull Innoruuk to zone in where TMO was already setup and in the process kill some people from other guilds such as IB and Taken who were corpse recovering there ?

[khanable]

Oh man, Lazie is here now

It's a real party now

http://media.giphy.com/media/K9b2WiPZi0ZjO/giphy.gif

[Lictor]

Oh lord, is lazie back to just confuse the shit out of everyone with his incoherent dribble?

[Lazie]

Oh man, Lazie is here now

It's a real party now

http://media.giphy.com/media/K9b2WiPZi0ZjO/giphy.gif

:) Missed ya bud. Had to make a small appearance.

[Lazie]

Oh lord, is lazie back to just confuse the shit out of everyone with his incoherent dribble?

You mean the clear and concise truth ?

[Fael]

You know after going back and reading that raid thread about pulling inny to zone; I think Bda's position is totally legit. There simply was no rule that you can't pull to the zone in. Moreover Bda and ib both declined to agree to one.

By the same token, I think any guild calling the zone in their camp is about as dumb as it gets. At any given time there tends to be a group of people from every guild involved at the zone in for what ever reason.

If bda pulled inny through another guild at the well and whiped and caused them to die then I think that would be a problem. That would be similar for example to IB hypothetically Whiping to vox twice, pulling her out of the lair and training TMO. Both causes hypothetically would be deserving of raid suspensions.

That said Good on BdA for pulling off a great pull. See what you can do when you go out and make shit happen in class FFa. You get your poor mages epic'd!

Dolic

[Fael]

"Wiped" /sigh

[Lazie]

You know after going back and reading that raid thread about pulling inny to zone; I think Bda's position is totally legit. There simply was no rule that you can't pull to the zone in. Moreover Bda and ib both declined to agree to one.

By the same token, I think any guild calling the zone in their camp is about as dumb as it gets. At any given time there tends to be a group of people from every guild involved at the zone in for what ever reason.

If bda pulled inny through another guild at the well and whiped and caused them to die then I think that would be a problem. That would be similar for example to IB hypothetically Whiping to vox twice, pulling her out of the lair and training TMO. Both causes hypothetically would be deserving of raid suspensions.

That said Good on BdA for pulling off a great pull. See what you can do when you go out and make shit happen in class FFa. You get your poor mages epic'd!

Dolic


I agree about them not being mistaken about where to pull. If a guild wasn't already there pull away. However you can't setup a camp where another guild or guilds already are. That is the rule they broke. Which honestly shouldn't be that big of a fuss. They made a mistake. They know better now.

[arsenalpow]

So... To be clear... are you claiming the following...

1. BDA was the first guild to zone into Hate.
2. No other guild had people at zone in when BDA decided to train Inny to zone in ? (I've seen the fraps this is mostly for the people you are trying to kid.)

BTW I can name some of the TMO at zone in thanks to said fraps.

Zarkanoff
Ferns
Borf
Doktyr
Portaholic
Icare wizard
Krime

There were others there as well...But can just see the tags and not the names. So you are claiming your guild zoned into Hate and established a camp on top of another guild already there.

So.. I ask again... How did BDA establish a camp at zone in when a guild that ported up first was still at zone in ? Why can't BDA follow simple rules about establishing a camp elsewhere like Sirken strongly suggested ? Why did BDA pull Innoruuk to zone in where TMO was already setup and in the process kill some people from other guilds such as IB and Taken who were corpse recovering there ?

It's like a disease.

IB and Taken wiped at the ramp, TMO set up camp in the same area but camped out when the train came back. You can't have all the camps, your raid force was perched next to the Inny clusterfuck looking to snipe an FTE so BDA claimed the entrance for our pull.

That's not interference. We chose to remain at the entrance while the 3 other guilds chose to move up to near Inny's room. IB, Taken, and TMO gave up their rights to the entrance. We claimed it, we pulled Inny, we killed Inny. TMO having stragglers at the entrance doesn't mean you lay claim to it, it just means your raidforce was fractured because you made a bad decision trying to poach an FTE with a massive train whipping through the zone.

Knock off the disenfranchised crybaby routine.

[Lazie]

It's like a disease.

IB and Taken wiped at the ramp, TMO set up camp in the same area but camped out when the train came back. You can't have all the camps, your raid force was perched next to the Inny clusterfuck looking to snipe an FTE so BDA claimed the entrance for our pull.

That's not interference. We chose to remain at the entrance while the 3 other guilds chose to move up to near Inny's room. IB, Taken, and TMO gave up their rights to the entrance. We claimed it, we pulled Inny, we killed Inny. TMO having stragglers at the entrance doesn't mean you lay claim to it, it just means your raidforce was fractured because you made a bad decision trying to poach an FTE with a massive train whipping through the zone.

Knock off the disenfranchised crybaby routine.

I mean this is nice spin but incorrect on a lot of levels. Just admit ya made a mistake and move on. It's not that big a deal.

[arsenalpow]

I agree about them not being mistaken about where to pull. If a guild wasn't already there pull away. However you can't setup a camp where another guild or guilds already are. That is the rule they broke. Which honestly shouldn't be that big of a fuss. They made a mistake. They know better now.

There wasn't a guild already there, all other guilds left the entrance to go fuck around at/or around Inny. It wasn't your camp, it's our camp. Fael understands. Maybe you can get with him in TMO voice chat and he can coach you up.

[Fael]

Chest.

Just agree that it's a dumb rule to say that guilds have to spread out in hate to designate certain areas as their camp. There is basically only one or two areas and sane guild would set up a camp in hate on a full repop.

[arsenalpow]

I mean this is nice spin but incorrect on a lot of levels. Just admit ya made a mistake and move on. It's not that big a deal.

why would I ever admit we made a mistake when we obviously didn't? we killed Inny, we didn't train anyone, we didn't pull through any other guilds, he came from his reset position to our camp with zero drama because 2 raids wiped and the other camped out

your members still at the entrance should have moved, you were in our camp, I think i'll petition TMO for interfering with our Inny attempt when they refused to vacate our camp

[Cecily]

"Wiped" /sigh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZmqJQ-nc_s

[Funkutron5000]

Or maybe setting up camp at the zone in should just be off limits because it's a high traffic area due to being literally the only point of entry into the zone? I dunno. Pull him to Maestro hall or something if you don't want to engage him in his room.

[arsenalpow]

Chest.

Just agree that it's a dumb rule to say that guilds have to spread out in hate to designate certain areas as their camp. There is basically only one or two areas and sane guild would set up a camp in hate on a full repop.

THE WHOLE RAID SCENE IS A DUMB RULE

Whether it's the entrance, or the well, or the base of the ramp, or the top of the ramp, or the entrance to Inny's room, or in the middle of Inny's room there's a pile of fucking bottlenecks. Leaping over the next raid force then screaming when they pull through you is the epitome of stupid yet this is what happens at every goddamn raid target that's FFA when guilds try to "compete"

This is a simple fix if TMO and IB would come off their loot pixel frenzy and agree to some better rules that benefit the entire fucking server, god forbid though, can't cut into that pixel quota or the deranged obese mouth breathing neckbeards might have a fucking coronary

[Lazie]

There wasn't a guild already there, all other guilds left the entrance to go fuck around at/or around Inny. It wasn't your camp, it's our camp. Fael understands. Maybe you can get with him in TMO voice chat and he can coach you up.

I can see your argument. You just have the facts about what happened on that raid wrong. Not going to get in a big argument about it. You made a mistake as a guild. It wasn't a huge mistake per the rules. I doubt you lose the kill or loot over it since it wasn't a clear rule.

[arsenalpow]

I can see your argument. You just have the facts about what happened on that raid wrong. Not going to get in a big argument about it. You made a mistake as a guild. It wasn't a huge mistake per the rules. I doubt you lose the kill or loot over it since it wasn't a clear rule.

we did not make a mistake, I cited the ruling, BDA established the camp once every other guild vacated the entrance, i'm sorry you don't agree with the ruling

[Lazie]

why would I ever admit we made a mistake when we obviously didn't? we killed Inny, we didn't train anyone, we didn't pull through any other guilds, he came from his reset position to our camp with zero drama because 2 raids wiped and the other camped out

your members still at the entrance should have moved, you were in our camp, I think i'll petition TMO for interfering with our Inny attempt when they refused to vacate our camp

You can't setup a camp period where another guild already is. You admit you zoned into Hate and setup camp at zone in and waited for other guilds to move away from the camp. Sirken said you should spread out (I agree dumb rule). But that was his words. Setting up a camp there where other people already was is technically breaking the word of his rule.

[Lazie]

we did not make a mistake, I cited the ruling, BDA established the camp once every other guild vacated the entrance, i'm sorry you don't agree with the ruling

Except you did... God you are like talking to a 7 year old sometimes.

[arsenalpow]

You can't setup a camp period where another guild already is. You admit you zoned into Hate and setup camp at zone in and waited for other guilds to move away from the camp. Sirken said you should spread out (I agree dumb rule). But that was his words. Setting up a camp there where other people already was is technically breaking the word of his rule.

the entrance became our camp the second you left, what are you not understanding about that??

[Lazie]

the entrance became our camp the second you left, what are you not understanding about that??

Ok treating you like a 7 year old now...Let's break down what Sirken said..


"if BDA had a raid at the entrance, no one else should have a raid set up there. "

So this is the first part he mentions. You zone into Hate and see another guild there. No guild should setup there period. You admit your guild wasn't the first to Hate. So your guild should have immediately setup elsewhere. Again dumb rule and probably causes more problems than it fixes. However you can't hang out where another guild already is setting up and setup your raid currently. You admit you did that. Your own words.


PoH is a big zone, theres enough room for multiple guilds to set up multiple camps in different spots.


Key words different spots. BDA should have immediately searched out a new camp if they weren't the first to zone in. Other guilds did this...IB...Taken...etc.

if BDA's raid left the entrance, then the spot is open.

This is where the wording isn't clear. Is it IF BDA moved before the other guild zoned into Hate ? Or are you allowed to sit in another guilds camp and setup your raid ? It seems to suggest if the guild isn't there when you arrive because of the first parts of his statements. No one else should have a raid setup there.

That is why I said the rule isn't clear enough. You did however break the first part of the rule and setup a raid at another guilds camp and waited.

[Ella`Ella]

Moreover Bda and ib both declined to agree to one.



Sadad agreed on behalf of BDA and hokushin and I agreed upon it and have been observing it in all class C inny's since.

[Lazie]

Alright I'm out. Great thread Argh. Sorry this Hate thing messed it up. See ya around Cucumbers.

[arsenalpow]

Sadad agreed on behalf of BDA and hokushin and I agreed upon it and have been observing it in all class C inny's since.

if you want to adjust some Inny rules you can talk to me about it, I'll make decision for BDA

[Ravager]

THE WHOLE RAID SCENE IS A DUMB RULE

Whether it's the entrance, or the well, or the base of the ramp, or the top of the ramp, or the entrance to Inny's room, or in the middle of Inny's room there's a pile of fucking bottlenecks. Leaping over the next raid force then screaming when they pull through you is the epitome of stupid yet this is what happens at every goddamn raid target that's FFA when guilds try to "compete"

This is a simple fix if TMO and IB would come off their loot pixel frenzy and agree to some better rules that benefit the entire fucking server, god forbid though, can't cut into that pixel quota or the deranged obese mouth breathing neckbeards might have a fucking coronary

QFT

[Pint]

http://galleries.guildlaunch.net/283719/EQ0005427408Pop.jpg

will just leave this gem from a chardok experience i had yesterday so ppl can be clear on who they are dealing with lol

[Man0warr]

http://galleries.guildlaunch.net/283719/EQ0005427408Pop.jpg

will just leave this gem from a chardok experience i had yesterday so ppl can be clear on who they are dealing with lol

Blame Talaminy for being a dumb bitch and freezing out BDA people in Chardok for over 24 hours.

[Argh]

WELL THIS THREADS GONE TO SHIT. I MADE A CHART DETAILING THE REASONS WHY:

http://i.imgur.com/Mr8woQR.png

Chest, you have lost the game of threads, and Sirken shall put you out to pasture.

http://i.imgur.com/yCMk26P.gif

I will summon Catherin the Martyr a.k.a. Saint Catherin a.k.a. Catherin the Clarifier to defeat TMO once more.

http://i.imgur.com/XRTuEwq.gif

http://i.imgur.com/F29Q9kI.png

Taken, just get the rage back.

Lazie, just gtfo.

[arsenalpow]

Blame Talaminy for being a dumb bitch and freezing out BDA people in Chardok for over 24 hours.

Seriously, you as a member of the stupid chardok collective could have said "hey talaminy, maybe you should just add people to the list when they ask instead of refusing to add them" but instead you approved her behavior so my only recourse is to place a group in the middle of the bridge

[arsenalpow]

and pint, you realize that talaminy's responses in my conversation with her are missing from your screenshot which means even you can't fucking stand her and put her on ignore

[khanable]

Wait what? Chest blocked the mighty Chardok AE?

Also: Arghwork, best artwork

[arsenalpow]

Wait what? Chest blocked the mighty Chardok AE?

only for great justice, not for the lulz

[khanable]

When I blocked the AE it was also for great justice

You just didn't like it/had a conniption because you were pulling that day

For shame, Mr. Rockwell, for shame.

[arsenalpow]

When I blocked the AE it was also for great justice

You just didn't like it/had a conniption because you were pulling that day

For shame, Mr. Rockwell, for shame.

you weren't doing it for justice, you were doing it to troll me

[khanable]

you were doing it to troll me

justice

[Argh]

justice

[Ella`Ella]

justice

[Phantasm]

can we get more arghwork

[Portasaurus]

http://i.imgur.com/yCMk26P.gif


Holy goddamned shit this is fucking amazing.

Can't.

Stop.

Watching.

Someone needs to do a documentary on how this was made. I would watch that documentary several times. Not as many times as the gif, but still lots of times.

[Sirken]

you have lost the game of threads, and Sirken shall put you out to pasture.

http://i.imgur.com/yCMk26P.gif



Sirken gifs ftw~!

altho iirc, it didnt end well for the guy swinging that sword either

[arsenalpow]

Sirken gifs ftw~!

altho iirc, it didnt end well for the guy swinging that sword either

and why the fuck would I be some common thief, doesn't make any sense

[contemptor]

So... To be clear... are you claiming the following...

1. BDA was the first guild to zone into Hate.
2. No other guild had people at zone in when BDA decided to train Inny to zone in ? (I've seen the fraps this is mostly for the people you are trying to kid.)

BTW I can name some of the TMO at zone in thanks to said fraps.

Zarkanoff
Ferns
Borf
Doktyr
Portaholic
Icare wizard
Krime

There were others there as well...But can just see the tags and not the names. So you are claiming your guild zoned into Hate and established a camp on top of another guild already there.

So.. I ask again... How did BDA establish a camp at zone in when a guild that ported up first was still at zone in ? Why can't BDA follow simple rules about establishing a camp elsewhere like Sirken strongly suggested ? Why did BDA pull Innoruuk to zone in where TMO was already setup and in the process kill some people from other guilds such as IB and Taken who were corpse recovering there ?
I know your life goal is to try to imitate and impress your childhood idol Alarti, but sometime I feel like you aren't trolling and actually believe the crap that spews out of you.

IB had an engage at the room, blatantly wiped. Taken was all of the place. TMO had plenty of crew running around, including up there ready to take an engage or at the well. BDA had a few monks scoping it out, waiting for people to be stupid. The TMO that hadn't raced up to dance with IB were either at well or camped out or both. You can't call 3 camps all over the zone. If you had a legit claim to the entrance camp to start, you lost it. BDA never moved from the entrance, and took the camp. I know you all lost your RMT / 3rd alt loot for the week, and are already upset about losing your stronghold on the server to IB, but get over it. I realize I'm just repeating what was already said, and you are either MarcusD or just too incompetent to understand, but I felt l had to reiterate.

I think you should have to engage him at his spawn myself, to attempt to avoid some of this crap, but BDA was obviously playing by the ruleset. No FTE games, no training anyone elses attempt, but a clean pull and kill.

[Archalen]

I know your life goal is to try to imitate and impress your childhood idol Alarti

Let the dead rest in peace my son.

[wycca]

Love the gifs, had to toss in my own paint -

http://i.imgur.com/GpOZ7R3.jpg

[Anichek]

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac322/Grumpyerse/Now-Comes-The-Part-Where-We-Throw-Our-Heads-Back-In-Laughter-In-George-Of-The-Jungle.gif

[Anichek]

not a thief, a deserter. probably ice cream.

http://cdn2.thegloss.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/dessert-gif.gif

[Troubled]

BDA is the most shit house guild I've ever been in and I don't know why people keep joining. All the guilds with better reputations should have our members.

[arsenalpow]

carrot cake with some cream cheese frosting

http://www.saraleefoodservice.com/Images/Products/Romance/08948_Enlarge.jpg

[Greengrocer]

Thread really starting to pick up...

[khanable]

thread getting soft, need more talking assholes

http://i.imgur.com/aDZtQz2.gif

[Anichek]

thread getting soft, need more talking assholes

Make it pick back up then

http://i.imgur.com/jgbC3tm.gif

[Greengrocer]

Guys.

I'm trying to eat, here.

[Anichek]

Guys.

I'm trying to eat, here.


....aaaaaandddd?

[Sirken]

carrot cake with some cream cheese frosting

http://www.saraleefoodservice.com/Images/Products/Romance/08948_Enlarge.jpg

carrot cake is gross

[LulzSect]

carrot juice is grosser

[Ella`Ella]

carrot juice is grocer

FTFY

[arsenalpow]

carrot cake is gross

you can't appreciate it's subtle flavors because you killed your taste-buds smoking

[contemptor]

carrot cake is gross
agreed, sorry Chest

[Oleris]

Decrease spawn times and people will be less butthurt. Not classic, but the final solution until velious launches.

[wycca]

Don't care about spawn times, but 16hrs of tracking is stupid.

[zanderklocke]

These are my favorite desserts:

Peanut Butter Cup Pie
http://www.bakerssquare.com/i/pies/profile/chocolatepeanutbuttercup_main1.jpg

Oreo Pie
http://www.bakerssquare.com/i/pies/profile/oreocookiecrunch_main1.jpg

American Cookie Company Cookie Cake
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KMLLxVlzD00/TCAoNtz3CoI/AAAAAAAAApo/CXX7w2_2u7w/s1600/DSC03096.JPG

Creme Brulee
http://site.burtonsgrill.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/1/CremeBrulee.jpg

Rice Pudding
http://www.ivstatic.com/files/et/imagecache/636/recipes/Classic_Minute_Rice_Pudding1.jpg

Culver's Custard
http://mycrazygoodlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/culvers-custard.jpg

Build-your-own Yogurt Shops
http://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/yogurt-lab.jpg

Honorable Mentions:

Candy Bars
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3194/3077576253_08043716bf.jpg
http://www.candywarehouse.com/assets/item/large/image-128422.jpg

Koala Yummies
http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large-5/koalas-march-biscuits-rick-piper-photography.jpg

[zanderklocke]

http://www.thermomixbenelux.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/creme_brulee.jpg

This image got cut off.

[Nuktari]

All these foodz...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls9du4QeV11r3v6f2o1_500.gif

[Portasaurus]

tons of amazing amazing delicious things

Zanderr confirmed 200 baking

[quido]

http://www.msu.edu/~oconne53/carrotcake.jpg

No thanks

[Portasaurus]

:eek:

http://i.imgur.com/TWEd7ne.jpg

[Susvain2]

You get your poor mages epic'd!

Dolic

fu