What attitudes and philosophies do you hate in P1999?

[PDX0621]

^^^Make a ranger and group with me! Seriously, I don't get it. Just f*cking group already! I'll eat the "hybrid exp penalty" any day if that means filling the last slot in a group, or getting that pally or ranger who was LFG in. Sure, you may "lose" a tiny bit of experience, but you never know when that pally lay hands or heal or off tank or ranger root / CC assist may save you. I love unorthodox groups. Some of the best groups I've ever been in have have 2/3 of the same class. 3 Clerics? No problem! 4 monks? Been there, done that. Just group people!

[Noselacri]

The completely misguided notion of "it's classic, this is how it was back then" with regards to the server's endgame situation.

This is not how it was back then. Not at all. In their efforts to create something authentic, the developers have instead created something completely unlike their goal. Classic EQ had twenty servers for people to choose from, to reroll on if their old server was hopeless, and to dilute the amount of players who create a toxic community so that they don't all congest the same one server and turn it into an utter shitfest.

It has ruined the server for me. A number of things could be done to alleviate the issue, but a complete refusal to acknowledge the problem or attempt to solve it has led to this situation where despite being literally the only worthwhile classic EQ server in existence, P99 has only about a thousand players at peak.

I'm pretty sure at least four times that amount would want to play but have found the server impossible to enjoy because of the aforementioned situation. The endgame content is congested to the point of unplayability, and the only real option is to compete over it by doing your best to exclude others.

The things it takes to be part of a serious raiding guild on P99 is beyond what can be expected of normal people, and it creates an awful community because of how antagonistic the act of raiding zero-sum content is on a server with about five times more players than there's content for.

So this attitude of "we're not gonna do anything, this is classic" has ruined the server for me and, I know, many others. Many more than now play have left because of this situation. It is by far the most frequently cited reason for players quitting the server, by far the biggest source of staff burnout and player conflict and cheating, etc.

All for no fucking reason beyond some philosophy about keeping it classic which isn't even correct, leading to something extremely unclassic. It's a bloody paradox.

[Rararboker]

The completely misguided notion of "it's classic, this is how it was back then" with regards to the server's endgame situation.

This is not how it was back then. Not at all. In their efforts to create something authentic, the developers have instead created something completely unlike their goal. Classic EQ had twenty servers for people to choose from, to reroll on if their old server was hopeless, and to dilute the amount of players who create a toxic community so that they don't all congest the same one server and turn it into an utter shitfest.

It has ruined the server for me. A number of things could be done to alleviate the issue, but a complete refusal to acknowledge the problem or attempt to solve it has led to this situation where despite being literally the only worthwhile classic EQ server in existence, P99 has only about a thousand players at peak.

I'm pretty sure at least four times that amount would want to play but have found the server impossible to enjoy because of the aforementioned situation. The endgame content is congested to the point of unplayability, and the only real option is to compete over it by doing your best to exclude others.

The things it takes to be part of a serious raiding guild on P99 is beyond what can be expected of normal people, and it creates an awful community because of how antagonistic the act of raiding zero-sum content is on a server with about five times more players than there's content for.

So this attitude of "we're not gonna do anything, this is classic" has ruined the server for me and, I know, many others. Many more than now play have left because of this situation. It is by far the most frequently cited reason for players quitting the server, by far the biggest source of staff burnout and player conflict and cheating, etc.

All for no fucking reason beyond some philosophy about keeping it classic which isn't even correct, leading to something extremely unclassic. It's a bloody paradox.

tldr; shits classic.

[Cecily]

I think this project was a deal with Satan to destroy as many lives as possible with a resurrected evil that humanity had foolishly thought was dead.
I'm not even kidding.

[Burrito]

I think this project was a deal with Satan to destroy as many lives as possible with a resurrected evil that humanity had foolishly thought was dead.
I'm not even kidding.

You cannot hide, from the pixels
http://www.writeups.org/img/fiche/5006.jpg

[Cecily]

Slap a
http://www.project1999.com/forums/images/p99-gold-flat.gif
on the back and I'd wear that T-shirt.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

The completely misguided notion of "it's classic, this is how it was back then" with regards to the server's endgame situation.

This is not how it was back then. Not at all. In their efforts to create something authentic, the developers have instead created something completely unlike their goal. Classic EQ had twenty servers for people to choose from, to reroll on if their old server was hopeless, and to dilute the amount of players who create a toxic community so that they don't all congest the same one server and turn it into an utter shitfest.

It has ruined the server for me. A number of things could be done to alleviate the issue, but a complete refusal to acknowledge the problem or attempt to solve it has led to this situation where despite being literally the only worthwhile classic EQ server in existence, P99 has only about a thousand players at peak.

I'm pretty sure at least four times that amount would want to play but have found the server impossible to enjoy because of the aforementioned situation. The endgame content is congested to the point of unplayability, and the only real option is to compete over it by doing your best to exclude others.

The things it takes to be part of a serious raiding guild on P99 is beyond what can be expected of normal people, and it creates an awful community because of how antagonistic the act of raiding zero-sum content is on a server with about five times more players than there's content for.

So this attitude of "we're not gonna do anything, this is classic" has ruined the server for me and, I know, many others. Many more than now play have left because of this situation. It is by far the most frequently cited reason for players quitting the server, by far the biggest source of staff burnout and player conflict and cheating, etc.

All for no fucking reason beyond some philosophy about keeping it classic which isn't even correct, leading to something extremely unclassic. It's a bloody paradox.

If classic mechanics don't bring back classic feelings, that's your problem.

[perditionparty]

If classic mechanics don't bring back classic feelings, that's your problem.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QbRzV1aRap4/UDLPSuL_c8I/AAAAAAAAAN4/w59vtdpXBig/s1600/tumblr_lzvsu0Xqfj1qf7853o4_250.gif

[maskedmelon]

The completely misguided notion of "it's classic, this is how it was back then" with regards to the server's endgame situation.

This is not how it was back then. Not at all. In their efforts to create something authentic, the developers have instead created something completely unlike their goal. Classic EQ had twenty servers for people to choose from, to reroll on if their old server was hopeless, and to dilute the amount of players who create a toxic community so that they don't all congest the same one server and turn it into an utter shitfest.

It has ruined the server for me. A number of things could be done to alleviate the issue, but a complete refusal to acknowledge the problem or attempt to solve it has led to this situation where despite being literally the only worthwhile classic EQ server in existence, P99 has only about a thousand players at peak.

I'm pretty sure at least four times that amount would want to play but have found the server impossible to enjoy because of the aforementioned situation. The endgame content is congested to the point of unplayability, and the only real option is to compete over it by doing your best to exclude others.

The things it takes to be part of a serious raiding guild on P99 is beyond what can be expected of normal people, and it creates an awful community because of how antagonistic the act of raiding zero-sum content is on a server with about five times more players than there's content for.

So this attitude of "we're not gonna do anything, this is classic" has ruined the server for me and, I know, many others. Many more than now play have left because of this situation. It is by far the most frequently cited reason for players quitting the server, by far the biggest source of staff burnout and player conflict and cheating, etc.

All for no fucking reason beyond some philosophy about keeping it classic which isn't even correct, leading to something extremely unclassic. It's a bloody paradox.

I think the reason for doing little to curb I classic behavior is twofold. First, the goal of the project is to recreate a classic experience. Arguably the simplest and most necessary course of action is implementation of classic mechanics. I agree that I classic behavior can detract from a classic experience as I am sure the developers do. The issue bough is that those behaviors/problems are dynamic because players are dynamic. Devoting resources to those issues could lead to simple tail chasing because the target is always shifting. And, if you begin introducing non-classic mechanics before you have completely restored the classic setting where does it end? Who decides what is right? When will the original goal return to focus?

The second reason for a hands off approach is that such an approach is indeed very classic. In classic EQ played found all sorts of ways to achieve I intended results and often they were left to it. Sometimes things were patched, but in many cases the developers embraced the players solutions in their design strategy. Feign splitting is one such example.

Just my 2cp ^^

[Makwa]

Those who criticise other players on fickle items (ie. not snaring mobs even though they never get 5 feet due to mass dps and the only reason they get that far in the first place is alt-tabbing and not following the mob until its dead).

Meanwhile, hypothetically, they're playing as a monk and even though the group is attempting to root mobs for the warrior they don't move to max melee range, and when mobs aren't rooted they don't use their skills to shake aggro.

tl;dr - People who criticise and expect perfection from group mates whilst not showing the level of play they are asking for

[captnamazing]

I dislike people who sock ragefire and don't offer their heart to an un-epic'd cleric socking right alongside them. I'm not calling anyone out or Taken any names here.

[kaev]

Hybrid hate

[sox7d]

We seriously need to start an ad campaign that says that the hybrid penalty is really just like grouping with a druid that's 2 levels higher.

[Taminy]

Classic purists who are against shared bank because "not classic" but against boxing because it's... too classic????

It'll never happen but since we can't box even for transfers we should have shared bank.

[Swish]

You can box on any other non P99 emulated server on the EQ emulator list, plenty of other places to enjoy boxing.

On Hidden Forest people 12 box and don't talk to anyone... if that's for you, go right on ahead :p

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Sharing bank slots is also the root cause of a number of dupe exploits.

[maskedmelon]

Meanwhile, hypothetically, they're playing as a monk and even though the group is attempting to root mobs for the warrior they don't move to max melee range, and when mobs aren't rooted they don't use their skills to shake aggro.



Omg this bugs the crap out of me ^^ and I suppose players just not paying attention to root in general. Tanks are often guilty of it as well (the opposite).

[Whirled]

Sharing bank slots is also the root cause of a number of dupe exploits.

Is there any way to flag a dupe item to make it raise question or allow for deletion upon zone/log? Once I had a copper piece (or was it 2?) appear once on my cursor but when I zoned it was gone (if that is a similar instance?)

[maskedmelon]

Is there any way to flag a dupe item to make it raise question or allow for deletion upon zone/log? Once I had a copper piece (or was it 2?) appear once on my cursor but when I zoned it was gone (if that is a similar instance?)

D: Is this a confession?

[Erati]

I'm not calling anyone out or Taken any names here.

I see what you did there!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gnomercy]

I see what you did there!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Babbby youurrrre aa firrreee work!

[Whirled]

D: Is this a confession?

I've got nothing to hide... inspect away. As everyone should feel.

[Gotze]

Inc shit list In perspective of the offendee

1. Rangers completely suck don't invite him
2. Woah, I'm a Druid and I just got a tell kindly asking for a port and buffs?! Fk that

lol but like other then that I love you all

[maskedmelon]

I've got nothing to hide... inspect away. As everyone should feel.

'twas a joke ^^

[Whirled]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH9MAhDvNjo
^ is usually me reading stuff here....i get ya

[Sage Truthbearer]

People who run away to prevent you from /inspecting their character. Maybe they think it's rude I didn't ask beforehand.. But sheesh, talk about uptight.

[perditionparty]

People who run away to prevent you from /inspecting their character. Maybe they think it's rude I didn't ask beforehand.. But sheesh, talk about uptight.

"Hi, do you mind me using a feature that is built into the game and has literally no affect on you what so ever? No? understood, but I can still check your shit out w/o your permission, dummy."

[Paleman]

lol me and friends always joke about people giving a shit about inspecting. I thought this was a symptom of being an RPer. To them I assume inspecting is pretty much equivalent of you taking a peak at that high elf maidens sweaty unshowered snatch under her unwashed armor.

hence the "EXXXXCUUUUZE ME, DID U EVEN ASK TO INSPECT ME ARMORS?!?"

sofaking we todd did

[Mentathiel]

People who run away to prevent you from /inspecting their character. Maybe they think it's rude I didn't ask beforehand.. But sheesh, talk about uptight.
I have never cared about people /inspecting me because I always assume that it was a mistake; it's easy to right-click things when you are trying to mouse-look and end up looting a corpse or inspecting someone. Personally, I turned it off because I prefer not to accidentally inspect people. Someone once inspected me and then offered me a better weapon though, so I wasn't in a mood to complain even when I realised it wasn't a mistake.

In the end, I don't mind. I'm not ashamed of my gear, even if it might raise a few eyebrows that I prioritised MR and strength over AC.

[Calibretto]

If being inspected bothers you, I bet you are an enormous cunt IRL too and no one likes you there either.

[Briscoe]

If classic mechanics don't bring back classic feelings, that's your problem.

Yea because variance is such a classic mechanic.

[maskedmelon]

Yea because variance is such a classic mechanic.

I do not understand what variance is supposed to accomplish aside from poopy socks :/

On the inspection thing, I never understood that either, or why it is even an option (and popular one at that) to disallow in many games. I can understand from pvp perspective, but for pve? I don't get it ^^

[Cecily]

If being inspected bothers you, I bet you are an enormous cunt IRL too and no one likes you there either.

It's one of the things my dad taught me when he was introducing me to EQ. It's polite to ask before inspecting. Some of us elves were raised properly. Most of the time I inspect people it's just them standing on top of a corpse I'm trying to ninja loot anyways.

[Foggon]

I do not understand what variance is supposed to accomplish aside from poopy socks :/


Actually I used to think that too, but the truth is that as long as there is a window there will be people socking. It could be 100% variance and you will see Tmo, Ib and Taken there on a legitimate guard rotation watching for a pop.

The truth is if there was no variance then you would have 150-200+ at every spawn because even the less dedicated players can still dedicate 15 minutes for a guarenteed pop. Then they will all run over to the next target since they know what will spawn next and just set an alarm to login then.

I think variance is not a bad thing. :)

[Cecily]

I'd like to see the 72 hour windows back. These 16 hour windows are short enough to justify having 4-10 active people or more on standby for any given spawn, and that sort of "competition" is creeping into class R at an unfortunate rate. These short windows are making this game even more life devouring than it was and the RL toll on raiders trying to help their guilds win is far too high. Constant burn out. It straight up sucks.

[Mistle]

I'm starting to think if it was 72 hours the raiding guilds would STILL sock it.

[Cecily]

Naw. It used to be shifts of a single person watching a given spawn and a log on race. Was much more relaxed and way less burnout inducing.

[sox7d]

I'm starting to think if it was 72 hours the raiding guilds would STILL sock it.

That fateful weekend at inny... First time raiding, last time raiding.

[Lady Julae]

/loc is not required. I've never become proficient with the location system and I get around quite nicely. Basically they removed 2 wholly unnecessary steps (discerning /loc, cross referencing with external map) with the addition of the in game map. That's it. It basically saves time and a small (even minute) amount of effort.. aka people spend more time in game, playing, rather than treating it as a chore or a project they must do research on before undertaking. To say removing that this made the game effectively more challenging is just silly.

You realize here you just completely contradicted your argument? Part of the challenge of no maps is that you DO have to do research to learn the world. If maps don't make the game easier, why would you want maps? Do you get lost easily? Is learning a zone too much information for your brain to accommodate?

The argument the pro-no map party is trying to make is that having no maps is challenging because it challenges your brain, your knowledge of the game, and ultimately your skill at navigating the game world. Having a map requires no skill nor memorization, in turn, it makes you a less skillful player in comparison.

[Clark]

Ranger hate is as retarded as emo hate in 2003, bieber/twilight hate in 2009, and then white male hate in 2014. People love to get on childish little hate bandwagons even when things have zero affect on their lives.

White male hate is unacceptable.

[Visual]

4-People who think that waking up at 5AM ... is called "Competing" ... makes them superior

and the same goes for RL. Sometimes it is nothing more than the person who is willing to sacrifice the most.

Very basic principle.

[Ocelo]

Pretty much everyone in the NSFW section of the forums.

[Kutsumo]

I'm not saying I've never agreed to NBG or passed on a valuable items because I knew someone else would be better served to use it. Sometimes NBG does make sense in some scenarios and to be honest I probably agree with the concept and with using it more often then not. My problem with it is the persistent argument, and actual belief, that NBG is super fair and the most unselfish loot system. It's absolutely not. The people who generally support it and insist on using it tend to argue that it's the fairest system and that having everyone /random is super selfish and greedy. I wholeheartedly disagree and cannot comprehend that way of thinking. If you want to use NBG because you are pals and friends with everyone in the group, or because you just wanna be a nice guy/gal, then great! but don't argue that it's somehow less greedy or more fair. Logically giving everyone equal right to /random IS the only 100% fair system. Plain and simple.

Should also be considered that some classes would receive nearly nothing at certain camps if NBG was always in effect, and they'd feel resentful of inviting the class that would want to "need" the item. I see it all the time in KC, people don't want to invite the monk because they so often expect NBG on the pipe which just so happens to be one of the more valuable items for the hand camp.

[Swish]

Pretty much everyone in the NSFW section of the forums.

You can opt out of RNF, I can understand why people would.

[webrunner5]

You can opt out of RNF, I can understand why people would.

Yeah I can understand why the Devs let there be RnF, but wow they must have thicker skin than I have with some of the comments directed at them. :p I would have pulled the plug on this server a LONG time ago lol.

[GinnasP99]

Skin like Diamond ;D

[zajurai]

-People who have names like Jednosebest or Playacleric or or Druidlol. I can't STAND those names, and people using them generally suck (although a rogue named Bakstaber was an excellent aggro manager and gave me a plat, so good job breaking my narrow worldview)

-People who think the only way to rate a class is by how viable they are in max level raids (it's one way to look at a class, sure, but if i wanted an mmo revolving around only max level content i'd go play WoW)

-Someone once refused to invite a monk into our group because they did less damage than wizards and rogues. We were around level 4 and had neither a wizard nor a rogue.

[HalflingWarrior]

#1). FIVE YEARS OF KUNARK. The servers economy, both financially and in players levels distribution is a total farce at this point.

Have fun "competing" in Velious when TMO is charging 400k for thurgadin quest armors that they're permacamping on one toon while their other 7 level 60 toons are each parked at a different raid mob.

[Cecily]

It'll start at 750K, at least. On the brightside, you have an extra few months to save.

[HalflingWarrior]

It'll start at 750K, at least. On the brightside, you have an extra few months to save.

I never have nor never will I buy an overpriced MQ from TMO

[kaev]

It'll start at 750K, at least. On the brightside, you have an extra few months to save.

You should set the base price at 900k. Then you can run specials and contests for discounts:

"Get 17 of your friends to post nice things about TMO in General Chat for a sweet sweet 50k discount on that BP you've been lusting after!!! Get them to post an original flame of BDA as well for another 25k off!!! Flame With a GIF for an Extra 5k!!!!!"

"Enter The TMO Chestburnathon Today! The Top Three Chest Flames Posted To Our RnF Chestburnathon thread will receive a coupon for FREE Boots with any regular price Thurg Armor MQ Purchase!!!!!!!"

[Daldaen]

Armor drops will be like 1-5k MQs.

The 3 gems for each though... Those will be like 10k+ each

[Ella`Ella]

I never have nor never will I buy an overpriced MQ from TMO

TMO beats any price for an MQ if you send us a copy of our competitors offer. So... you're just paying extra no matter where you get your item in the long run if you're not getting them from TMO.

[Cecily]

You should set the base price at 900k. Then you can run specials and contests for discounts:

"Get 17 of your friends to post nice things about TMO in General Chat for a sweet sweet 50k discount on that BP you've been lusting after!!! Get them to post an original flame of BDA as well for another 25k off!!! Flame With a GIF for an Extra 5k!!!!!"

"Enter The TMO Chestburnathon Today! The Top Three Chest Flames Posted To Our RnF Chestburnathon thread will receive a coupon for FREE Boots with any regular price Thurg Armor MQ Purchase!!!!!!!"

So including all the discounts, we get the price we wanted originally and free propaganda? That is absolutely brilliant and as our special way of saving thank you, I'd like to offer you 5k off of your first TMO guild bank purchase in Velious.

[Swish]

im down for the flaming gif discount <3

[kaev]

So including all the discounts, we get the price we wanted originally and free propaganda? That is absolutely brilliant and as our special way of saving thank you, I'd like to offer you 5k off of your first TMO guild bank purchase in Velious.

Sweet! I can hardly wait! You're the Best!!!

[PDX0621]

-People who have names like Jednosebest or Playacleric or or Druidlol. I can't STAND those names, and people using them generally suck

I've seen a guy running around the last month or so in various zones advertising ports and whatnot who's name is literally Blowj. Blowj. Think about that.

[Caridry]

-People who have names like Jednosebest or Playacleric or or Druidlol. I can't STAND those names, and people using them generally suck (although a rogue named Bakstaber was an excellent aggro manager and gave me a plat, so good job breaking my narrow worldview)

-People who think the only way to rate a class is by how viable they are in max level raids (it's one way to look at a class, sure, but if i wanted an mmo revolving around only max level content i'd go play WoW)

[Clark]

Need GMs invis stalking boss spawns. ESPECIALLY Innoruuk/VS/Naggy the biggest train-likely spawns.

Need public petitions for transperancy.

[RevengeofGio]

Oh to the people who have issues with classic removing things like your map, compass, target window, con color in target box, etc.

Those things removed the challenge which you site as your reason for playing here.

Part of the game's challenge comes from tedium and cumbersomeness.

Stuff like being able to cycle targets, or see your exact mana value or have 40 hotkeys between 4 hotbars... Make many aspects of the game MUCH easier than they were in classic. Without many of those abilities/UI pieces people wouldn't be able to accomplish as much as they can now. Fumbling through bags for clickies (remember in classic you couldn't open all 8 bags or have an inventory slot as part of your UI unless you set it as a hotkey), fumbling through different pages of your single hotbar for a Hotkey, trying to target different mobs to keep them locked down with no cycle target, etc.

While you see it as just convenience, I see it as powerful aspects of the game that allow people to accomplish far more than was capable back in 2000-2001, and not because we are more knowledgeable now. Because the mechanics of the game didn't allow it.

Oh - Another thing I get annoyed with. People who think our current incarnation of sneak pulling is legit and how it worked back in the day. Nope, not even close.


Tedium isn't a challenge though..... it's not a challenge to do something 100 times rather than once. Tedium was never added for challenge either :)

[Swish]

(Druid/Enchanter/Necro) I'm bad at charming and don't want to learn how to be better.


Definitely the defence of the alt-tabber too lazy to keep their eyes on the job. I always charmed on my necro in groups and if I was in Seb i'd near demand i could body pull an undead mob through the crypt door before we headed to our camp. What's funny though? Some groups didn't want to make the time to do that detour...big dps loss :/

So yeah... lazy people, I'll add that.

[eqpower]

I dont understand the classic side of roster guild, class C R and the " You u can kill that " and " you u cant".
Main things of EQ is no instancied dungeons and compet for kill mobs. Everything must be FFA, THATS classic.

[Troxx]

Attitudes that I dislike?

-People who'd rather sit LFG at zone line than duo/trio with other lfgs while keeping LFG up. (Doing something is better than nothing ... And no loss by doing something)

-People who go out of their way to not xp with hybrids.

-People who rate relative value by dps output alone. The cleric adds no dps ... No value? (Of course not). If you have a balanced group - don't invite the bard and then complain about their poor dps. Newsflash: you don't invite a bard for dps. Cc, haste (if no others), mana regen, ghetto regen heals, buffs/resists - any combination of the above yes ... Dps? No.

- poopsock mentality

-people more interested in min/maxing their pixelated time than relaxing and enjoying a multiplayer/social game for what it is.



These aren't p99 specific, mind you. You see this in most mmos.

[Champion_Standing]

Tunnel rats...sit around all day inflating the prices of items and they are proud of it.

[Swish]

Logged in to give some items off my trader to someone for a newbie giveaway last night and saw a Circlet of Shadows going for 4k? lol'd.

Never had much love for the EC game. It's just numbers, not enjoyment :p

[Daldaen]

Bazaar vastly superior to EC. No hagglers (or you can pretend to be AFK and ignore them). People undercut so the buyer has more power/deals. Don't have to interact with annoying people begging you to drop the price or lecturing you on why the item isn't worth your asking price.

[Cecily]

As someone who's had a long standing hatred of EC tunnel, I've had a pretty good time selling my items lately. Everything of significant value sold and made some people happy with solid deals. About 40k richer for it. Had fun. Sold a rogue his ravenscale BP last and he was SOOO happy. That felt good because I know the feeling.

[Kutsumo]

It's funny how sensitive gamers have become since the EC tunnel days on live servers. If you don't like someone's offer and you think it's too low to negotiate with, how hard is it to say "no thanks" and let it go instead of letting it make you mad? If their price is too high, why lecture them? People sometimes take those low offers and people sometimes pay the high prices, so just let them do their thing and ignore it.

PS. this wasn't directed at anybody in particular, so don't take it that way.

[Supaskillz]

Oh - Another thing I get annoyed with. People who think our current incarnation of sneak pulling is legit and how it worked back in the day. Nope, not even close.

Sneak pulling has been changed like 5 times. Enlighten us: what is the true and classic way.

[Swish]

Oh - Another thing I get annoyed with. People who think our current incarnation of sneak pulling is legit and how it worked back in the day. Nope, not even close.

Are you Sikorsky? I'm getting that vibe.

[Daldaen]

Sneak pulling has been changed like 5 times. Enlighten us: what is the true and classic way.

That post was back in January before the most recent fix which makes it much more classic.

Back then, there was no flight collision. Also sneak is intended to function as a lull, reducing assist range by mobs which have their backs to your pull. Not eliminating it entirely. The recent changes have made flight collisions work so you couldn't just throw something into a pack of 20 mobs and get a mob in the middle of the pack single. Also the change Haynar made that changed how mobs facing your target assist makes it function much better.

Flight collision and assisting fixes make it a useful tool but it's no longer the easy button it was.

[Supaskillz]

Oh wow I didn't realize how old that was, but yeah I learned the hard way when returning to the server it was changed to current state.

Still monk fd sneak before standing seems to make fd splits way easier than I remember them being on live. Maybe I just grouped with bad monks though /shrug.

[HalflingWarrior]

As someone who's had a long standing hatred of EC tunnel, I've had a pretty good time selling my items lately. Everything of significant value sold and made some people happy with solid deals. About 40k richer for it. Had fun. Sold a rogue his ravenscale BP last and he was SOOO happy. That felt good because I know the feeling.

YEA unfortunately the people selling low value items, people who need that 1k weapon, have a hell of a time

[Cecily]

So you're saying tunnel quest sucks? I agree! Why I'm pleasantly surprised to have my stuff actually sell.

[Daldaen]

Oh wow I didn't realize how old that was, but yeah I learned the hard way when returning to the server it was changed to current state.

Still monk fd sneak before standing seems to make fd splits way easier than I remember them being on live. Maybe I just grouped with bad monks though /shrug.

The sneak blur thing I've never heard of before and I haven't seen any references or quotes in era corroborating the mechanic as a classic one.

In fact I recall monks having to /quit out an enormous amount.

That being said however, with my experience at least on my necromancer, I find that mobs will not memblur until they fully reset. This isn't correct. I'm pretty sure each FD should have a chance to memblur each mob on your hate list even while they path back.

Here it seems that once a mob paths back, it's 100% chance to be blurred.
If it's still walking back or still static where it stopped after your FD, it has a 0% chance to be blurred... Unless you hit Sneak when you stand up?

Maybe I'll research this as my next big report cause that is another issue making pulling extremely easy

[Ele]

It's funny how sensitive gamers have become since the EC tunnel days on live servers. If you don't like someone's offer and you think it's too low to negotiate with, how hard is it to say "no thanks" and let it go instead of letting it make you mad? If their price is too high, why lecture them? People sometimes take those low offers and people sometimes pay the high prices, so just let them do their thing and ignore it.

PS. this wasn't directed at anybody in particular, so don't take it that way.

Or the people that don't even bother with a counter offer. :mad:

[Kutsumo]

Or the people that don't even bother with a counter offer. :mad:

Yeah, I usually counter offer unless the original offer was just too far away for it to work. I do get a little annoyed when people won't even respond to an attempt to negotiate price. Could at least say "price is firm" or "no thanks."

[Swish]

Yeah, I usually counter offer unless the original offer was just too far away for it to work. I do get a little annoyed when people won't even respond to an attempt to negotiate price. Could at least say "price is firm" or "no thanks."

I'm usually one of those, if I'm selling an item for 4k and someone says "take 2.2k? xDDD"... that's not worth a response :p

3.5 and we can talk!

[Wabic]

1-GMs not taking responsibility for their mistakes/bad decisions and then not doing a thing to fix the awful community/endgame they set up

2-GMs acting angry and confused that they have to spend 50% of their time babysitting/petitionquest with end game guilds, when it is them who set up the raid system this way



People thinking they're entitled to anything from GMs working on a game they don't pay for.

[kaev]

People thinking they're entitled.

Note that people who point fingers at specific groups/individuals/policies and make snarky comments about "welfare" and "effort" typically display attitudes rooted deeply in their own sense of entitlement.

This is not p99 specific tho.

[Samoht]

I really dislike the attitude that just because the product is free, you have to be subjected to rude customer service staff and inconsistent rule enforcement.

[Glenzig]

I really dislike the attitude that just because the product is free, you have to be subjected to rude customer service staff and inconsistent rule enforcement.

Yeah. Life is tough.

[Samoht]

Yeah. Life is tough.

The straw man cometh.

[Ezalor]

when i'm a guest at someone else's house i respect the host's house rules.

when i'm paying for a hotel i can ask for what i want because i'm a paying customer.

sorry kid, shit's how the world works. sorry it took you this long to figure it out.

[Samoht]

More straw man.

[kaev]

More straw man.

You're strawman claim is the only strawman here dude. Ezalor got it right.

[Samoht]

Ezalor wins the argument that life is hard or that people are mean. Unfortunately that does not even begin to address rude customer service staff or inconsistent rule enforcement. Sorry. That's the definition of a straw man.

[Cecily]

I once went over to a guys house to watch him tatoo my friend. He greeted me with,"I don't know you, but if you fuck up I fuck you up." Just because you're someone's guest doesn't mean they have to be nice to you, but it's probably a really good idea to respect their rules. Especially if they own a tatoo gun.

[myriverse]

I really dislike the attitude that just because the product is free, you have to be subjected to rude customer service staff and inconsistent rule enforcement.:rolleyes:
Free or not, being subjected to rude customer service staff and inconsistent policy enforcement is a universal fact of life.

[Samoht]

I once went over to a guys house to watch him tatoo my friend. He greeted me with,"I don't know you, but if you fuck up I fuck you up." Just because you're someone's guest doesn't mean they have to be nice to you, but it's probably a really good idea to respect their rules. Especially if they own a tatoo gun.

Nobody cares.

[kaev]

Ezalor wins the argument that life is hard or that people are mean. Unfortunately that does not even begin to address rude customer service staff or inconsistent rule enforcement. Sorry. That's the definition of a straw man.

We're guests here, not paying customers. Your incessant whining about what you perceive as our hosts rudeness is in and of itself astonishingly rude. You might try looking up the definition of the word bolded in your sig someday, please look in the mirror while you're reading it. Sorry. Your behavior embodies the very essence of hypocrisy.

[Samoht]

Straw man to ad hominem. This is just like the good old days of P99 forums. Your post still fails to address any of the actual issues, though.

[Cecily]

Nobody cares.

More straw man. And just because someone argues with a logical fallacy doesn't necessarily invalidate their point. Ad hominem in your case is especially appropriate because you're an exceptionally vile person to deal with and one who has an inflated opinion of his own opinion.

[liveitup1216]

How so many people lately are whiny brats lamenting over how a free server dedicated to replicating old EverQuest keeps on replicating old EverQuest.

As an olive branch I'll share a link to a place where you'll feel right at home: http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/

[Champion_Standing]

when i'm a guest at someone else's house i respect the host's house rules.

when i'm paying for a hotel i can ask for what i want because i'm a paying customer.

sorry kid, shit's how the world works. sorry it took you this long to figure it out.

If there is a life lesson in this situation it certainly isn't that.

Life lesson #1 always be friends with whoever is in charge, ass kissing is almost always rewarded.

[kaev]

Straw man to ad hominem. This is just like the good old days of P99 forums. Your post still fails to address any of the actual issues, though.

Not true, but thanks for playing.

[Samoht]

See? You think just because you can get away with being a bully on an Internet message board that it's perfectly acceptable. But that's just not true. Just add that to the list of attitudes that suck on this server.

[Glenzig]

Nobody cares.

Hey! You can't be rude to people here!

[Champion_Standing]

I once went over to a guys house to watch him tatoo my friend. He greeted me with,"I don't know you, but if you fuck up I fuck you up." Just because you're someone's guest doesn't mean they have to be nice to you, but it's probably a really good idea to respect their rules. Especially if they own a tatoo gun.

Probably not true but if it is you need a few things, better friends, a legit tattoo artist and some self respect.

[Samoht]

Probably not true but if it is you need a few things, better friends, a legit tattoo artist and some self respect.

And a cure for hepatitis.

[Cecily]

See? You think just because you can get away with being a bully on an Internet message board that it's perfectly acceptable. But that's just not true. Just add that to the list of attitudes that suck on this server.

It absolutely is true, because you can still post. Back on topic, this guy. This guy right here.

[Samoht]

It absolutely is true, because you can still post. Back on topic, this guy. This guy right here.

I'm not above lowering myself to your mud-slinging levels. But I'm also not doing it under the false pretenses of hosting a classic EverQuest server. Or providing customer service for that server.

[Ezalor]

Or providing customer service for that server.

you're not entitled to any customer service because you're not a customer

bolded since this is still very difficult for you to understand

[Samoht]

you're not entitled to any customer service because you're not a customer

bolded since this is still very difficult for you to understand

Seems the server would side with us being customers. (http://www.project1999.com/index.php?pageid=about)

Do you know what CSR stands for?

[Cecily]

Probably not true but if it is you need a few things, better friends, a legit tattoo artist and some self respect.

Uh ok. I don't have any tattoos, but it did end up turning out badly. You're right about that. Was a cool looking sun and moon design that he got from a prisoner his mother was penpals with. How many more details would you like me to add about my life experiences before you believe my story? It's super important to me. You need to stop being so judgmental about situations and people you don't know much about.

[Ezalor]

the fact that guides exist does not suddenly make you a paying customer

there is no transaction taking place, you are a guest on someone else's free, private server that has volunteer guides

[Glenzig]

See? You think just because you can get away with being a bully on an Internet message board that it's perfectly acceptable. But that's just not true. Just add that to the list of attitudes that suck on this server.

A bully? Really? Telling you you are wrong is being a bully?

[Cecily]

It certainly seems so lol.

[Samoht]

the fact that guides exist does not suddenly make you a paying customer

there is no transaction taking place, you are a guest on someone else's free, private server that has volunteer guides

Are you deliberately avoiding my question? Is it because you don't want to admit that you're wrong?

[Samoht]

A bully? Really? Telling you you are wrong is being a bully?

There is a big difference between showing someone that they are wrong (which by the way, each one of you has failed to do in any way or means) and resorting to ad hominem attacks because you couldn't prove anybody wrong.

[Champion_Standing]

Uh ok. I don't have any tattoos, but it did end up turning out badly. You're right about that. Was a cool looking sun and moon design that he got from a prisoner his mother was penpals with. How many more details would you like me to add about my life experiences before you believe my story? It's super important to me. You need to stop being so judgmental about situations and people you don't know much about.

I'll believe it if you can tell me the model of the trailer that you grew up in.

[Glenzig]

There is a big difference between showing someone that they are wrong (which by the way, each one of you has failed to do in any way or means) and resorting to ad hominem attacks because you couldn't prove anybody wrong.

I didn't know this was a for real debate. I thought you were just really emotional about some petty junk that happened to you. I wasn't aware that your sad, plaintive cries for forum justice were supposed to be addressed with any real sense of reason. Were you issuing a challenge for us to prove why you are wrong for crying about the administrators of this site deciding to run the site the way they see fit? Were we supposed to comfort you in your time of need? I'm not sure why you think anyone needs to prove to you why you are a whiny little brat, your post history proves that in and of itself. Especially this week.

[Samoht]

I didn't know this was a for real debate. I thought you were just really emotional about some petty junk that happened to you. I wasn't aware that your sad, plaintive cries for forum justice were supposed to be addressed with any real sense of reason. Were you issuing a challenge for us to prove why you are wrong for crying about the administrators of this site deciding to run the site the way they see fit? Were we supposed to comfort you in your time of need? I'm not sure why you think anyone needs to prove to you why you are a whiny little brat, your post history proves that in and of itself. Especially this week.

Wrong forum. Post hasn't been moved to RNF yet.

[Champion_Standing]

This thread has way to many feels

[Glenzig]

Wrong forum. Post hasn't been moved to RNF yet.

Why are you ranting so hard then?

[Cecily]

I'll believe it if you can tell me the model of the trailer that you grew up in.

Fuck you. I grew up in a townhouse. Star Trek was a terrible show btw.

[Samoht]

Why are you ranting so hard then?

Funny. I haven't ranted once. I listed one attitude that I hated on P99 in accordance to the spirit of the thread and was able to add a second from all of the rage-induced replies I had to my first post. Shrug.

[Glenzig]

Funny. I haven't ranted once. I listed one attitude that I hated on P99 in accordance to the spirit of the thread and was able to add a second from all of the rage-induced replies I had to my first post. Shrug.

I am mad. I'm just so seriously upset. Can barely contain my rage. People are starting to wonder if I'm having a heart attack or something. Its bad.

[lecompte]

I really don't like negativity in groups or guilds or anything. You say 3 level 60 rangers can't do HS East -- I say how will we know unless we try? Then tears about CRs and dying... and people playing badly then saying I told you so and me saying you didn't put enough effort in to it and you're a defeatist ass.

[Champion_Standing]

Fuck you. I grew up in a section 8 townhouse. Star Trek was an amazing show btw.

FTFY

[Samoht]

Does anybody know whether or not Bobby Hill has been able to determine what CSR stands for when used in the same context as it is listed on this page (http://www.project1999.com/index.php?pageid=about)?

Examples:
CSR GM - Lead
CSR Senior Guide
CSR Guide

[Cecily]

FTFY

You're just being an awful person. I honestly hate people like you to the very bottom of my heart, and hope something horrible happens to you IRL. Back on topic. This guy. This guy right here.

[lecompte]

About 10 posts away from being moved to RNF.... And it started out as such a good thread too /sigh.

[Champion_Standing]

You're just being an awful person. I honestly hate people like you to the very bottom of my heart, and hope something horrible happens to you IRL. Back on topic. This guy. This guy right here.

That makes me sad, but it's your fault for telling such a bad story. Did you really think you would get away with that?

[Champion_Standing]

About 10 posts away from being moved to RNF.... And it started out as such a good thread too /sigh.

Sorry bro I'll head back to where I belong

[Cecily]

How is that a bad story? It was vaguely relevant to the point being argued on that page and I felt like sharing. Sorry if it bothered you? I really don't appreciate the way you imagined my life story and fuck you.

[Samoht]

How is that a bad story? It was vaguely relevant to the point being argued on that page and I felt like sharing. Sorry if it bothered you? I really don't appreciate the way you imagined my life story and fuck you.

Were you invited in and told you were being given a classic experience only to be yelled at by CSR for simply asking for assistance in game when actual issues come up? No? Not relevant.

[Cecily]

I'm sure we're gonna get some CSR assistance pretty fucking soon. Fuck you too.

[Samoht]

I'm sure we're gonna get some CSR assistance pretty fucking soon. Fuck you too.

Wrong forums, Cecily.

[Whirled]

Q: What attitudes and philosophies do you hate in P1999?

A: mean people suck

[Champion_Standing]

How is that a bad story? It was vaguely relevant to the point being argued on that page and I felt like sharing. Sorry if it bothered you? I really don't appreciate the way you imagined my life story and fuck you.

Oh come on, kitchen tattoos and your friends mom's prisoner pen pal.....it didn't take much imagination....but seriously it wasn't relevant.

[Cecily]

"Just because you're someone's guest doesn't mean they have to be nice to you, but it's probably a really good idea to respect their rules." Was the main point, but reading comprehension isn't a skill everyone has. Yes it was relevant and you're an asshole.

[Samoht]

"Just because you're someone's guest doesn't mean they have to be nice to you, but it's probably a really good idea to respect their rules." Was the main point, but reading comprehension isn't a skill everyone has.

That does not give them a free pass to invite you in and then treat you like shit.

[Ele]

That does not give them a free pass to invite you in and then treat you like shit.

Call the police. I don't care.

[Cecily]

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on two points there. One, they are well within their rights to do so. You may feel that's wrong, but ultimately it's not about your feelings. Two, you are severely stretching the CSR experience here. To say they treat you like shit is simply not the case.

[Samoht]

Two, you are severely stretching the CSR experience here. To say they treat you like shit is simply not the case.

I've got two posts in the petition forums answered by two different CSR staff members that went out of their way to insult and belittle me. One even went so far as to call me Chest. I cannot think of a bigger insult. It did not say I was acting like Chest or that I was worse than Chest. It actually posited that I was Chest posting on an alternative forum account. (I am not giving blanket permission to repost my threads.)

Your personal experience might be different, but just like your tattoo story, it's simply anecdotal.

[Cecily]

That actually is really mean of them to call you that.

[Glenzig]

I've got two posts in the petition forums answered by two different CSR staff members that went out of their way to insult and belittle me. One even went so far as to call me Chest. I cannot think of a bigger insult. It did not say I was acting like Chest or that I was worse than Chest. It actually posited that I was Chest posting on an alternative forum account. (I am not giving blanket permission to repost my threads.)

Your personal experience might be different, but just like your tattoo story, it's simply anecdotal.

I can't imagine someone wanting to belittle you.

[Samoht]

I can't imagine someone wanting to belittle you.

Does it fulfill some hole in your life to just pile on with idiots and miscreants on a random elf-sim message board? If so, it must be one hell of a hole...

[Dac321]

Please define a Chest post. Thx

[SCB]

Are you deliberately avoiding my question? Is it because you don't want to admit that you're wrong?

I know I'm late to this party but I hate this guy.

Edit: And Nick Kroll. Also Key and Peele. I know they aren't on P99 but I wish they were so I could kill them repeatedly. Don't even care what they'd drop.

[Samoht]

That's nice.

[Glenzig]

Does it fulfill some hole in your life to just pile on with idiots and miscreants on a random elf-sim message board? If so, it must be one hell of a hole...

Any hole is a goal.

[Wabic]

This game brings out people's inner 15 year old. That's true for me sometimes, too.

I think some of the original attitudes toward Verant were a big part of how people experienced original EQ, and that's carried over as well. I used to read Furor's rants on the Fires of Heaven boards, myself.

[Troxx]

when i'm a guest at someone else's house i respect the host's house rules.

when i'm paying for a hotel i can ask for what i want because i'm a paying customer.

sorry kid, shit's how the world works. sorry it took you this long to figure it out.

^ That

[Oooruk]

That's nice.

I really like to sneeze. In fact, if I could choose one superpower it would be to sneeze on command.

What do you like?

[Jarlon]

yea for real, this i agree.

[Dillian]

Had that today. 3.5k for a granite bracer... move along fat cat :P

If more people run the auction tracker while they're in EC and upload the data it'll be better for buyers.

http://m.c.lnkd.licdn.com/mpr/pub/image-oRLJ-42OfDUt_k6EjZ0XdBn1Z9K7rReRVR0ENXSZZxjYrnuXoRLEN_i OZjzcRmYv0FHJ/jack-wilson.jpg

LoL Auction tracker is great!! Ask this guy Jack Wilson how great it is!!

[Clark]

you're not entitled to any customer service because you're not a customer

bolded since this is still very difficult for you to understand

This is the kind of attitude that sets a very low bar.

[Clark]

Q: What attitudes and philosophies do you hate in P1999?

A: mean people suck

lol

[Atmas]

I hate the petitionquest, and it may catch me some flack but I feel like there is a reaction to frivolous petitions that encourages them.