i dont always start threads, but when i do

[Sirken]

this started as a reply to another post, but then it turned into this whole thing, and i decided to just give it its own thread.

Ever since i got back from cali the first week of november i have been giving red a minimum of 10 hours a day, every day (minus the 3 days i was sick and dying). i spent november just quietly watching, only banning or revoking for really bad things. in december i continued to observe but after watching for a month, knew enough about how people abuse and twist things to get other people in trouble for things that they shouldnt be punished for. in January i turned it up a few notches going hard in the paint on ooc, as well as crushing guilds that didnt meet classic eq creation standards or were deemed inactive, in the hopes to beef up the existing 20-25 guilds with all these 5-8 man crews. i also needed to make examples out of a few players to send a message that the entire server would hear, in an attempt to end unwanted behavior without me having to spend an entire week poopsocking a spot i dont want players to be. in February, im hoping to get red to a place where it will essentially run it self with assistance from a couple dedicated red guides.

change is hard i understand, some of you are use to being able to do things that youve done for years. things change. adjust and adapt, or get out of the way.

Holo has more than enough for velious at this point, but the problem is (not taking shots, stating how i see it) at some point they will hit a fork where theres too many members for them all to get loots in a reasonable amount of time. but just in case you do care, continuing to accept anything with a pulse actually is hurting the server now.

Az has more than enough people to compete, the problem is (and im not trying to take shots, just calling it how ive seen it) that quite a few Az members tend to get discouraged quickly. they lose two battles and stop logging in. After Nilly was bounced out, Azrael members were everywhere. they lose a couple fights to holo, and they disappear again. people that only log in during the easy fun times are pieces of shit imo.

Fresh, i dont know enough about you guys yet, youre a big guild, but not an all 60 BiS guild. you give me hope for the future of red, and i have my eyes on you. dont let me down. stay red, you will win some and you will lose some. get up, dust off, get better, and try again. if this server had any actual competition, it would be 10x more fun, and if we could get 3 competitive guilds that could actually compete with each other this server would be amazing.

Suave, just keep on doing your thing. for as good as 3 competitive guilds would be, 4 would be even better. imagine a pvp server where there were 4 separate factions all trying to get the same mob in pure legit 1v1v1v1 combat. Anyone that played on VZ during velious (and wasnt a scrub) will remember the PvP we had for Loddy. Defiant vs XK vs 12p, anywhere in norrath, not knowing who would win any particular encounter was easily the best times.


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Sirks

[Fame]

Thanks for all the help on red Sirken!

[Kimm Bare|y]

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[krazyGlue]

I like this post

[Fame]

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Holo has more than enough for velious at this point, but the problem is (not taking shots, stating how i see it) at some point they will hit a fork where theres too many members for them all to get loots in a reasonable amount of time. but just in case you do care, continuing to accept anything with a pulse actually is hurting the server now.




HEH

[Guido]

Holo has more than enough for velious at this point, but the problem is (not taking shots, stating how i see it) at some point they will hit a fork where theres too many members for them all to get loots in a reasonable amount of time. but just in case you do care, continuing to accept anything with a pulse actually is hurting the server now.


so sirken, now that you realized there is a problem, what is going to be done about it?

HEH

[krazyGlue]

Holo has more than enough for velious at this point, but the problem is (not taking shots, stating how i see it) at some point they will hit a fork where theres too many members for them all to get loots in a reasonable amount of time. but just in case you do care, continuing to accept anything with a pulse actually is hurting the server now.

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Sirks
Heh

[Kompakt]

You forgot to mention da <Domingueros> :rolleyes:

[Sirken]

we only accept level 50+ pulses now
so, no change? got it ;)

[Guido]

Sirken,

In your post you realize that zerging ruins this pvp server.

We came across this during the Nihilum era.

Please address this, for it is a concern of many.

What can be a solution for this being that we supposedly just let the same zerg mentality ruin our pvp server. Thoughts and or comments, greatly appreciated.

[Sirken]

<holocaust> fields an average of 60 players on normal raids and 30 people on VP raids, hardly insurmountable odds

if azrael's fair weather players actually logged on there would be some good mass pvp, as we all are certainly aware that azrael can field an extremely healthy number of players when there are free pixels to be had

firstly, lol

secondly, thank you for repeating what i said about them in my OP ;)

[Sirken]

Sirken,

In your post you realize that zerging ruins this pvp server.

We came across this during the Nihilum era.

Please address this, for it is a concern of many.

What can be a solution for this being that we supposedly just let the same zerg mentality ruin our pvp server. Thoughts and or comments, greatly appreciated.

best advice i can give is to recruit smarter. either recruit people that will find your guild appealing, or, change your guild to make it more appealing to a larger group of players.

[Crazycloud]

There were 40 people in Azraels teamspeak for uncontested pofear CT. They can def contest if they were not scared.

Problem is they don't work together. I pvp with some of the worse pvpers I've ever played with (sry to some holo pals) but atleast they see that i still pvp with them. Most Azrael only pvp with their core members because they are afraid of a YT.

[Guido]

best advice i can give is to recruit smarter. either recruit people that will find your guild appealing, or, change your guild to make it more appealing to a larger group of players.

sirken,

with hopes to have 4 factions as you say

the sever pop as it is cant function with such a zerg

there is no members left, unless we poach some of the other guilds.

the root of the problem here is the zerg mentality. not sure how you do not see this.

it hurt us during nihilum era, and will continue to do so

[Ragnaros]

Pras sirken pras holocaust hurting server health

[quido]

Even without looking towards Velious and such, I think Holocaust is doing a service for red with their M.O.

As a mere hypothetical, let's pretend that all of Holocaust's leadership ghosts and the guild falls apart. I think this would leave red in a more interesting situation than we were left with upon Nihilum's demise. Holocaust has made it a part of their identity to take in, train, and gear up new players. And thus far, they have done an incredible job at this. I think it's throwing the server a more interesting change than Nihilum ever did. Nihilum didn't embrace the fresh blood quite like Holocaust does. When you look at what percentage of the loot was banked or went to people like Vaporize, Strydur, etc, it's not difficult to see why the server had trouble keeping new folks around.

But Holocaust? Holo has done a much better job embracing new players. Newerish people receive quality loots in the fairest loot distribution system I have yet seen in an Everquest guild. There's not this elitist attitude like "this guy is too scrubby for that item" - it's merely "does he deserve it?" I want my new crew of pals to stay together forever, but should some of them decide Holo isn't right for them, at least Holocaust likely enabled them to get a running start on the server and get some experience and a few pieces of gear before they left. Some day, in more tumultuous times on red, this could make for a more interesting server dynamic than Nihilum left us.

[Guido]

Also, there's just not enough content in Kunark to have multiple PVE / big guilds, it just won't happen.

Release Velious, re-evaluate, nothing will change here unless massive rule changes like variance, more sim repops, or something else to make it harder for Holo to take everything - which would create other problems like item flooding, poopsocking and other bullshit.

I agree here, stongly

we need a change, otherwise its the same bs over and over and over

[Sirken]

sorry not going to turn away the 5+ people we invite daily who say they transferred from the blue server specifically to join holocaust; taking in level 46 people in rags who want to raid has always been our MO and under this policy the server population has basically doubled while we've been in power

sirken has also told gongshow and myself on multiple occasions that he encourages blue server players to transfer over and join Holocaust

very weird that he would do that and at the same time saying that mass recruiting is hurting the server

i have sent easily a couple dozen blubies to red, and based on their personality i suggest a guild that would best suit them. it just so happens that a lot of blubies share your mentality. take that as you wish.

i didnt start this thread to fire shots, notice its not in RNF. but, if you'd like to start firing, im free for the next few hours.

and while you're tossing nuggets from our private chats into the public eye, ill drop this one too; i also said that i didnt think Holo's size was a problem, because you guys need the big numbers for velious. and i believe i even went on to say that the bigger problem was the other guilds are too small and need to recruit to have a chance in velious.

but i mean, please feel free to cherry pick the parts of what i say to try and make it look like i have a problem with you or your guild, while at the same name im defending the names Colgate and Holocaust from being changed by people that actually do have a problem with you or your guild.

learn to pick your battles better buddy

[Ragnaros]

Honestly if you want to make fun, bring nizzar back and watch how fast holocaust gets destroyed within a month. Thats the only way i ever see balanced guild pvp hitting this server. Right now Holocaust is inviting anyone with a pulse and doesnt even have an app process like nihilum had. If Nizzar were to come back there would be a world war on red99, we will quickly find out whos loyal and who has been waiting in the shadows. On a second note, the second largest guild on the server also happens to be a.holocaust feeder guild, when holocaust feels threatened on repop day they summon the bat phone warrior maximillien and 30 more fresh players to occupy the allready established 60 man holocaust zerg, it will keep getting worse and worse

[Sirken]

Honestly if you want to make fun, bring nizzar back and watch how fast holocaust gets destroyed within a month. Thats the only way i ever see balanced guild pvp hitting this server. Right now Holocaust is inviting anyone with a pulse and doesnt even have an app process like nihilum had. If Nizzar were to come back there would be a world war on red99, we will quickly find out whos loyal and who has been waiting in the shadows. On a second note, the second largest guild on the server also happens to be a.holocaust feeder guild, when holocaust feels threatened on repop day they summon the bat phone warrior maximillien and 30 more fresh players to occupy the allready established 60 man holocaust zerg, it will keep getting worse and worse

Nizzar abused, and ruined his opportunity to play here. if he returns, ill ban him, and ill punish any guild that knowingly harbors him within their ranks.

[Sirken]

prove it, and watch what happens ;)

[Guido]

The primary reason this server has failed to flourish is because spawns can stay at the same time slot for months at the time, nurturing the living fuck out of zergs which in turn make noone want to create other guilds.

proof ? Do I have to list all the failed non zerg guilds, who gave up and just joined zergs in the end ?

You call it us not wanting to play because we are losing. We call it not wanting to deal with the shit spawn system you for some reason can't fix.

Knowing that next time you engage the zerg will only be larger isn't as attractive as you might imagine.

not trying to throw any jabs, just calling it like I see it.

3+ years server, every veteran from every guild has cited spawns being locked in place for months at the time as being the most detrimental factor in red's existence.

You keep saying you know, and you'll fix it ... and the best solution you were able to throw out is something Rogean has to trigger ? the guy that you yourselves often joke about how impossible it is to get in touch with him ?


Servers on live reset weekly...Fix the problem already. it's classic.

SIRKEN please read this and understand the main issue here on red99, since nihilum era.

[lite]

and while you're tossing nuggets from our private chats into the public eye

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[Ragnaros]

Sirken im also curious to your case for defending colgates name, it is.100% indefinetly a violation of the naming policy.

[gobletsmashing]

Azrael is just a griefing guild.

I'm all for that and it fits my playstyle, but expecting the winning guild to tone it down to allow the big shit talkers/griefers to win is just not going to happen.

Azrael stop logging in after a few losses, that's well known - but the entire mentality of the guild is to talk shit, bend the rules and grief people.

It will never be "haha good fight cya next spawn"

Sirken, you are out of touch sorry pal, just my opinion.

I'm not sticking up for Azrael here ... but I want to make this point. There are so many bluebies here that confuse PVP for Griefing .. .wtf, stop crying about pvp on a pvp server.

[Guido]

I'm not sticking up for Azrael here ... but I want to make this point. There are so many bluebies here that confuse PVP for Griefing .. .wtf, stop crying about pvp on a pvp server.

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[Ragnaros]

Theres a policy for a reason stasis, its the rules.

[Kimm Bare|y]

ragnaros is copyright protected by blizzard

please remove

[Ragnaros]

Honestly in this thread all i see is staff repeating things that the server allready knows about, do somethong....

[Bazia]

zergs denying being zergs

where have i seen this before

[Guido]

Hell just yesterday Lite killed Cappa on Brennard in KC - because there was a grp of lowbies trying to EXP in KC he demanded that we called guild LNS and CC'd him.

Stuff like that etc, that happened yesterday - we had to log on like 10 people to chase them out.

welcome to eq stasis? not sure if serious here pal

those are the current rules

[Guido]

factions are factions man, not sure what else to say

if multiple holo in zone, I would have done the same, call guild lns so he can get his body

thats why you had to bring those guys to help CR cappa

end of story

[Crazycloud]

Sirken im also curious to your case for defending colgates name, it is.100% indefinetly a violation of the naming policy.

^^ prime example of why azrael cannot progress. Always trying to lawyer quest

[Guido]

that is in no way a bending of the rule

those are the rules

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[heartbrand]

I don't get it. Didn't most people come here for huge pvp battles like I saw from smedy videos back in VZTZ days? Isn't the pinnacle of EverQuest large 50v50v50 zone control battles? Is it our fault that Azrael intentionally keeps their guild # small and therefore is unable to contest head on? Had Azrael taken even a fraction of the people that went to Fresh in order to build up their #'s, then they could be competing 50 v 50 or even 60 v 60 on a weekly basis for amazingly fun pvp fights. Instead, they've decided they'd rather hug KC zone lines for meaningful PvP. Problem isn't the rules or Holocaust, it's Azrael for not wanting to be an actual meaningful EverQuest guild.

[fred schnarf]

sirken you are a good dude, and despite anything i say here you are the only staff member i respect

the future of red could be really good, and as sad as it is to agree with lite, variance is required in everquest

its required, if its not in, i wont play here.

The best part of the game is when a spawn pops up and you scramble to kill it, knowing a boss is going to spawn at 7 means the zerg will be there waiting

aka dead server.

[Pikrib]

SIRKEN please read this and understand the main issue here on red99, since nihilum era.



Y does the losing side always blame the winning side for their woes.

Azrael chose not to recruit. People were too greedy and didn't want to share loot with new recruits. Azrael never recruited new people. Remember how we made it that you had to be lvl 60, have insta clicks, and over 100 MR unbuffed to join. The elitist BS got you were u are now. You cant say the problem is with zergs the issue is you not wanting to zerg to win. Go be gankers and stop complaining about not winning dragons.

Do you know what happens when you don't keep crootin?

You lose.

[nixar]

knew enough about how people abuse and twist things to get other people in trouble for things that they shouldnt be punished for.

Makes me sad that innocent people Pay the price just for trusting the wrong person or playing with that irl friend

[Samsung]

Good post

[Guido]

sirken you are a good dude, and despite anything i say here you are the only staff member i respect

the future of red could be really good, and as sad as it is to agree with lite, variance is required in everquest

its required, if its not in, i wont play here.

The best part of the game is when a spawn pops up and you scramble to kill it, knowing a boss is going to spawn at 7 means the zerg will be there waiting

aka dead server.

[fred schnarf]

I don't get it. Didn't most people come here for huge pvp battles like I saw from smedy videos back in VZTZ days? Isn't the pinnacle of EverQuest large 50v50v50 zone control battles? Is it our fault that Azrael intentionally keeps their guild # small and therefore is unable to contest head on? Had Azrael taken even a fraction of the people that went to Fresh in order to build up their #'s, then they could be competing 50 v 50 or even 60 v 60 on a weekly basis for amazingly fun pvp fights. Instead, they've decided they'd rather hug KC zone lines for meaningful PvP. Problem isn't the rules or Holocaust, it's Azrael for not wanting to be an actual meaningful EverQuest guild.

if a dragon is set to spawn at 7pm, and you think there will ever be a 50 vs 50 battle for said dragon, you are stupid.

it will never happen

[gobletsmashing]

Y does the losing side always blame the winning side for their woes.

Azrael chose not to recruit. People were too greedy and didn't want to share loot with new recruits. Azrael never recruited new people. Remember how we made it that you had to be lvl 60, have insta clicks, and over 100 MR unbuffed to join. The elitist BS got you were u are now. You cant say the problem is with zergs the issue is you not wanting to zerg to win. Go be gankers and stop complaining about not winning dragons.

Do you know what happens when you don't keep crootin?

You lose.

Choosing not to recruit, to try to get the best crew possible, and allowing anyone and everyone to join, to have as many people present as possible, are on two totally opposite ends of the spectrum - there really is no defense here man, no one is buying this bullshit

[fred schnarf]

Y does the losing side always blame the winning side for their woes.

Azrael chose not to recruit. People were too greedy and didn't want to share loot with new recruits. Azrael never recruited new people. Remember how we made it that you had to be lvl 60, have insta clicks, and over 100 MR unbuffed to join. The elitist BS got you were u are now. You cant say the problem is with zergs the issue is you not wanting to zerg to win. Go be gankers and stop complaining about not winning dragons.

Do you know what happens when you don't keep crootin?

You lose.

azrael has always recruited, they just dont recruit people who suck

they specifically have the no recruitment policy because they only want people dedicated to the guild, people who arent warm body shitbags

im on a classic wow server right meow and the top guilds do the same, they advertise recruitment closed but we accept applications for exceptional progression oriented individuals.

if you are good at this game, are max level and can pvp , you can join azrael i promise.

what they dont want is losers, because losers are just going to take some gear then quit or leave.

[georgie]

cliffs?

[chief]

Allow one character server transfer from blue to red, red will thrive

[Pikrib]

Choosing not to recruit, to try to get the best crew possible, and allowing anyone and everyone to join, to have as many people present as possible, are on two totally opposite ends of the spectrum - there really is no defense here man, no one is buying this bullshit

Still that elitist BS I see.

The best recruit possible for Azrael is one that is lvl 60 and fully BiS. One that Azrael isn't forced to help equip.

People in Azrael don't want to help equip their guildies. They want to only equip themselves.

[Sage Truthbearer]

I'm just a Bluebie who watches Red from the sidelines but I'll throw my two cents in...

imagine a pvp server where there were 4 separate factions all trying to get the same mob in pure legit 1v1v1v1 combat.

I believe I speak for a lot of us Bluebies when I say that I have been waiting for the above to happen for a long time. You guys want fresh blood? Then Holocaust and Azrael's leadership have to start making decisions that may hurt their personal goals but ultimately benefit the server. Holocaust needs to stop pretending they're not Nihilum 2.0. Azrael, stop whining about variance and start contesting shit, even when the numbers are against you. Stop the victimhood and start leading by example.

[gobletsmashing]

Still that elitist BS I see.

The best recruit possible for Azrael is one that is lvl 60 and fully BiS. One that Azrael isn't forced to help equip.

People in Azrael don't want to help equip their guildies. They want to only equip themselves.

You need to go take a break man ... every post you somehow relate to Azrael. This has nothing to do with any specific guild. It's debating the different philosophies of guilds on Everquest. Sirken just posted himself that he thinks zerging is hurting the server, and you're sitting there trying to defend it. Just stop ... stop before you make yourself look silly.

[Humerox]

I believe I speak for a lot of us Bluebies when I say that I have been waiting for the above to happen for a long time.

it's happening. <Fresh> and <Suave> are both valid options for progression. you don't have to be in Holo or AZ to get things done anymore

[Melveny]

I read a lot of non-classic recommendations in this thread.

[Pikrib]

it's happening. <Fresh> and <Suave> are both valid options for progression. you don't have to be in Holo or AZ to get things done anymore

Got booted from both already. :(

[Humerox]

Got booted from both already. :(

you didn't get booted from <Fresh> Pik. that was your choice

[Pikrib]

you didn't get booted from <Fresh> Pik. that was your choice

I was guildremoved and banned from TS.

I think because I was pvping against Holocaust with some <Tribe> friends.

[Humerox]

you know why, tho. that was your choice. Max is a nice guy but don't cross him

the <Eternal Light> bros did the same thing. there are good reasons for his policy on certain things

[Tune]

you guys are all pretty cool

I am ready to help who ever will make the server more fun

[krazyGlue]

Azrael has atleast 8 new recruits with shitty gear . Between level 50-55 we are working to get them levels and gear . They won't be bis . But they will have full resists and the essentials

[Guido]

you guys are all pretty cool

I am ready to help who ever will make the server more fun

tune actually turned out to be quite a cool and normal person

happy hes been in az ts and helping when able

I can pras dat

[Humerox]

Azrael has atleast 8 new recruits with shitty gear . Between level 50-55 we are working to get them levels and gear . They won't be bis . But they will have full resists and the essentials

that's a good thing. get on board with helping people instead of all the elitist bullcrap like /guildremove and plugging to avoid YT, or blasting newbs because they don't know wth buff order is, what open top slots and burying buffs are, or what crimson pots/pumices are for. teach a newb don't denigrate people that may actually turn out to be good later

the biggest problem with you guys is you think YT is everything. forest/trees and all that crap

[krazyGlue]

If you can't take constructive criticism azrael is not for you .

[Humerox]

If you can't take constructive criticism azrael is not for you .

would be nice if you left the "constructive" part in lol

[Jimmybones]

prove it, and watch what happens ;)



tune actually turned out to be quite a cool and normal person

happy hes been in az ts and helping when able

I can pras dat

[Guido]

azrael is recruiting cool and normal people

be ready to learn thats for damn sure

[MaSQue]

I got a lot of solid and even close friends in HOLO specially a select couple few there that I can honestly say i would not be where I am right now if it had not been for them but I agree with those that say this server does not need one LARGE guild, it needs 4-6 guilds at the top to make things fun and allow guilds to actually FIGHT over contested zones that are currently being dominated with masses of people from one guild.

I remember the days on Vallon Zek with us in Xanit K'Ven fighting over raid zones from other top guilds and god did we have fun doing that. Red99 is getting fresh faces every day and I see it getting new faces for a long time to come as more and more people see Blue99 is over crowded. I hope one day I can finish my main off and have a chance to form my own guild to help make this server even more fun than it already is. I am sure it will be hellish just trying to survive but I look forward to that part of the game.

Sirken, keep doing what you are doing, I for one and excited to see what new changes you have coming for us. I may not be 60 and geared yet but this does not mean I care about Red99 any less than those who are 60 and geared.

[Pikrib]

And be ready for Andis to steal your gem mobs if you are doing Seb in a leveling group.

[Guido]

And be ready for Andis to steal your gem mobs if you are doing Seb in a leveling group.

what? completely untrue

pikrib you've changed, for the worst

may god have mercy on your pity soul

[krazyGlue]

Tune does play with azrael from time to time . As far as we know he is NOT black listed from the server . Only nizzar is along with cast

[Zade]

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Sirks


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[Zade]

along with cast

huehuehue

[Nirgon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBwS66EBUcY

[Sirken]

Tune does play with azrael from time to time . As far as we know he is NOT black listed from the server . Only nizzar is along with cast

to clarify, i was only referring to Nizzar, not the rest of ex nilly

[Duckwalk]

Couple of points from an unguilded new to red player.

Whoever is suggesting variance on a server that is already dominated by a zerg guild should be shot.

What you want is simulated repops so the dominant guild has to make choices about which targets to go after or split their raid force. Variance just empowers the guild with larger population and more resources to track and mobilize.

Another thing, get the fuck out of here with the notion that twinks killing noobs (and groups) in rags is pvp. When there is effectively no risk of death it stops being PvP and starts being griefing, especially when you're doing it for no other reason than YT. Clearly it's unreslistic to expect PvP to be fair but when you kill players with gear that literally allows you to out regen someone else's dps or have more life than their potential damage of their mana pool, you're just hurting the server and defending those actions hurts you and your guilds image.

Success in EQ pvp is largely a factor of numbers, clearly some guilds are doing better at managing thier public persona than others.

And for the record, as an unguilded 49 Necro I've had pleasant interactions with Holo, Fresh and Sauve. I've yet to have any kind of interaction with Azrael players outside of ooc with the exception of possibly being ganked repeatedly in CB, Unrest and MM by characters allegedly associated with them.

TL,DR : manage your image better, there are lots of veteran players with the potential to be good guildmates/pvp'ers who want nothing more than a fun healthy server.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

luv u sirk

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[Littlegyno 13.0]

Good to see the immersion level of the servers GM is at an all-time high. No doubt, good things to come! Apparently if you play this video game for some easy fun you're a piece of shit. Get back into the salt mines you droogs, EverQuest is real life.

http://i.imgur.com/Zv4Htd9.jpg

[Ragnaros]

to clarify, i was only referring to Nizzar, not the rest of ex nilly

So if I give you proof of Holocaust Harboring cast will you disband their guild?

[Humerox]

Couple of points from an unguilded new to red player.

Whoever is suggesting variance on a server that is already dominated by a zerg guild should be shot.

What you want is simulated repops so the dominant guild has to make choices about which targets to go after or split their raid force. Variance just empowers the guild with larger population and more resources to track and mobilize.

Another thing, get the fuck out of here with the notion that twinks killing noobs (and groups) in rags is pvp. When there is effectively no risk of death it stops being PvP and starts being griefing, especially when you're doing it for no other reason than YT. Clearly it's unrealistic to expect PvP to be fair but when you kill players with gear that literally allows you to out regen someone else's dps or have more life than their potential damage of their mana pool, you're just hurting the server and defending those actions hurts you and your guilds image.

Success in EQ pvp is largely a factor of numbers, clearly some guilds are doing better at managing their public persona than others.

And for the record, as an unguilded 49 Necro I've had pleasant interactions with Holo, Fresh and Sauve. I've yet to have any kind of interaction with Azrael players outside of ooc with the exception of possibly being ganked repeatedly in CB, Unrest and MM by characters allegedly associated with them.

TL,DR : manage your image better, there are lots of veteran players with the potential to be good guildmates/pvp'ers who want nothing more than a fun healthy server.

words of wisdom. couldn't have said it better myself

[gobletsmashing]

Couple of points from an unguilded new to red player.

Whoever is suggesting variance on a server that is already dominated by a zerg guild should be shot.

What you want is simulated repops so the dominant guild has to make choices about which targets to go after or split their raid force. Variance just empowers the guild with larger population and more resources to track and mobilize.

Another thing, get the fuck out of here with the notion that twinks killing noobs (and groups) in rags is pvp. When there is effectively no risk of death it stops being PvP and starts being griefing, especially when you're doing it for no other reason than YT. Clearly it's unreslistic to expect PvP to be fair but when you kill players with gear that literally allows you to out regen someone else's dps or have more life than their potential damage of their mana pool, you're just hurting the server and defending those actions hurts you and your guilds image.

Success in EQ pvp is largely a factor of numbers, clearly some guilds are doing better at managing thier public persona than others.

And for the record, as an unguilded 49 Necro I've had pleasant interactions with Holo, Fresh and Sauve. I've yet to have any kind of interaction with Azrael players outside of ooc with the exception of possibly being ganked repeatedly in CB, Unrest and MM by characters allegedly associated with them.

TL,DR : manage your image better, there are lots of veteran players with the potential to be good guildmates/pvp'ers who want nothing more than a fun healthy server.

Well said, man. I got involved in the forumquest because I am sick of seeing other guilds try to smear all the smaller ones that are trying to compete when they either do the same thing - or - are the worst offenders. You are obviously intelligent, weighing your options and forming your own opinion before joining a guild. I did the same thing.

[JackFlash]

Loving red. Thanks for the attention Sirken!

(/agree on random server resets to change mob spawns around but I'm still lowbie scum)

[Danien]

so in the original post you say our size is hurting the server, but you also think that our size isn't the problem and that you have encouraged a few dozen players to join our guild from blue

am i being trolled?

Think it's pretty safe to assume that what he means is holocaust has been a positive influx as far as increasing the population but at this point you are hurting the pvp aspect of it by further expanding your roster.

* EDIT *
Actually who the fuck knows the thoughts of anyone else in this insane asylum.

[Guido]

lets get something straight here folks

holocaust has done nothing for server pop. When Nihilum had the zerg, server numbers were low. in fact at some times all time low. Holocaust has nothing to do with server pop going up.

The efforts of GMs and the community as a whole is the direct reasoning for server pop growing, cuddled with the fact that blue server sucks.

so pls spare the bullshit.

[Duckwalk]

That fact that Nihilum is gone and Holocaust is no where near as toxic to the leveling population doesn't hurt either.

[Danien]

lets get something straight here folks

holocaust has done nothing for server pop. When Nihilum had the zerg, server numbers were low. in fact at some times all time low. Holocaust has nothing to do with server pop going up.

The efforts of GMs and the community as a whole is the direct reasoning for server pop growing, cuddled with the fact that blue server sucks.

so pls spare the bullshit.

Holocaust rise to power came while fostering a vastly different mentality as compared to nihilum which is why they're given credit. If they adopt nihilum's formula the population could once again start to plummet. The reason that they haven't is why they're getting praise (where it's due).

[Tassador]

Let's get the facts straight the only people here promoting server growth our sirken and the staff.

[Smedy]

a lot of nerds with bowl cuts posting in this thread

lets get this right, there's always going to be a zerg, unless you change how spawn works. i hate mentioning variance but it's the only way to make red99 more competitive, right now it's literally no skill, recruit everyone and just get everything uncontested because no one is going to be heroic enough to put up a 20v60 every week, there's no use.

then why isn't variance here by now? simple. the side that is huge (zerg) is benefiting from variance which obviously has a stronger lobbyquest team and if you look at it from a gm's perspective they will hear a shit ton of cries if they mention variance because the vast majority of the server are benefiting from no variance.

with that being said, i don't give 3 fucks what happens, the box is in a better place now then it was the nihilum was around, it could still get worse is what i'm saying

[Bazia]

pop went up cuz of being able to get a level 50 in 3 days

not because of nihilum 2.0 or friendlier community members

[Duckwalk]

Curious how you think variance would change anything. All that variance is doing is adding a tracking component which favors he guild with most resources (the Zerg). Look at blue.

And regarding killing trackers, you dont think the Zerg would immediately respond when their tracker was killed and mob was in the window?

[Pseudechis]

Sirken with troll post of the day!

[jpetrick]

Variance makes sure that you have to zerg because you now need people on at all hours to cover every spawn. This is all on top of the ridiculous amount of hours spent staring at walls. You don't want variance, I play on blue, trust me on this.

[PVP Cleric]

the community as a whole

Big Sirk just showed that Holo is the majority of the community as a whole, didn't he? :)

[Fame]

If anyone truly helped this server it was Max lol <Fresh> made real (pop) gains and then holo came in and put Max back in beta status while taking credit for his good work. Outside of zerging, they really haven't done much for "the server", lol you know it's true, fuck it, I'll give ya maybe +20pop. They helped.

Outside of fresh, the forced beta and a fucking INSANE exp bonus really drove up the numbers. That's how it happened, Holo is not some glorious thing lol, its a bunch of dudes playin eq together.

I don't mind their size too much, if you enjoy pvp I would reccomend one of the smaller guilds. There are always plenty of Holo on to go find and kill, be careful though, some are def more skilled than others.

[Duckwalk]

Variance makes sure that you have to zerg because you now need people on at all hours to cover every spawn. This is all on top of the ridiculous amount of hours spent staring at walls. You don't want variance, I play on blue, trust me on this.

This.

Stop asking for variance. You want simulated repops or something along those lines.

[Smedy]

Variance makes sure that you have to zerg because you now need people on at all hours to cover every spawn. This is all on top of the ridiculous amount of hours spent staring at walls. You don't want variance, I play on blue, trust me on this.

you're telling me i can run into emerald jungle and get pvp every time cause there will be people sitting there waiting for a dragon to spawn? sounds fucking great to me

[mr.miketastic]

I think another factor is the constant sniping between Holocaust and Azrael. The 2 "dominant" guilds on the server will tend to set the tone for the rest of the server. I also think Duckwalk has pretty much said it for many of us who've come over from blue looking for a change. I've grouped with Duckwalk in DL before and he's pretty solid.
To n utshell this shit...Holo and Azrael need to reign in the petty crap; It's getting fucking old and it's spilling over to the rest of us.

[Fame]

Holo and Azrael need to reign in the petty crap; It's getting fucking old and it's spilling over to the rest of us.

Move to resolved

[Baugi]

Variance favors mobilization speed which often doesn't correlate with guild size.

[Duckwalk]

you're telling me i can run into emerald jungle and get pvp every time cause there will be people sitting there waiting for a dragon to spawn? sounds fucking great to me

No guarantee it would be within your level range. But yes assuming that's all you wanted, you could probably gank a tracker and then spend the rest of the time hugging zone lines trying to avoid overwhelming numbers like Azrael's already does...

I assumed the point of it was to provide gearing options form smaller guilds or force the Zerg to split up so meaningful pvp could be had.

[Duckwalk]

Variance favors mobilization speed which often doesn't correlate with guild size.

Only if you're aware of the spawn. Which it's less likely the guild with less resources would be.

[Baugi]

Only if you're aware of the spawn. Which it's less likely the guild with less resources would be.

Resources required to bind a low-level toon with a tracking script in zones of interest are pretty inconsequential.

[jpetrick]

you're telling me i can run into emerald jungle and get pvp every time cause there will be people sitting there waiting for a dragon to spawn? sounds fucking great to me

Oh no you killed my tracker that I bound to the spawn point of the mob.

[jpetrick]

Variance favors mobilization speed which often doesn't correlate with guild size.

No it just favors making people play alts because their mains are now camped out next to the mob.

[Smedy]

Oh no you killed my tracker that I bound to the spawn point of the mob.

true, considering how fast xp is right now there really needs to be xp loss on pvp death these days or something equal to it

[jpetrick]

true, considering how fast xp is right now there really needs to be xp loss on pvp death these days or something equal to it

This still doesn't fix the problem. I would roll a caster get him to 12, bind on the spawn point and see if he gets eaten by whatever mob I am going for. At that point it doesn't matter if I delevel to 5.

[Baugi]

No it just favors making people play alts because their mains are now camped out next to the mob.

I take it you don't like that strategy, but I'd still lump it under mobilization speed.

[jpetrick]

I understand you guys don't want to mass recruit because you get a bunch of shitty players in doing that. I respect that, my guild on blue used to be very selective as well but in order to keep up with everyone else you just have to make it easier to get in and teach your recruits to be good players. Think of it as a baseball farm system, bring prospects up through the minors, treat them well and they will become good & loyal players for your team.
Adding variance won't fix it and if you aren't prepared to do that then your current situation will remain.

[Baugi]

This still doesn't fix the problem. I would roll a caster get him to 12, bind on the spawn point and see if he gets eaten by whatever mob I am going for. At that point it doesn't matter if I delevel to 5.

+ a log parser that texts you when the mob shows up - shit ain't even cheating.

[jpetrick]

I take it you don't like that strategy, but I'd still lump it under mobilization speed.

I don't like any of the bullshit that takes place on blue. I'm just trying to let you guys know what will happen if you cry for variance then end up getting it.

[laowllol]

To an outsider, meaning a player who has been here a while and isn't in the raid scene, this whole thread just sounds like a bunch of children yelling. I know shits classic, but if anything has an effect on the population its all the childishness.

Holo, should not be forced to compromise their recruitment strategy. That's not even enforceable. Perhaps they need little more control over their members, and some more mature leaders. Those two things will decrease the chance of being punished for breaking rules, and keep them form engaging in petition quest.

AZ doesn't need to recruit more or even compromise their elitist attitude. They need better strategy and more patients, because playing petition quest isn't the answer for damn sure.

Here is my suggestion to AZ. Build better alliances...

Bat phone the folks that share your hate for the zerg. Use that combined strength to compete with Holo. If you can win a force LnS against Holo, you have won one fight and its on to the next.

Your allies should be fully aware that once Holo is down and out, they will still have to compete for the raid target.

You can't just force your enemies into disbanding their guild because you don't want to recruit the same way they do. That is retarded.

We don't need more rules! We don't need more petitions! You guys got to understand that Sirken has been bending over backwards to help the server out, and he is not trying to fire shots at anyone.

Sirken, you had the right idea but it may have been a bit sloppy on the delivery.

I'll try to polish if I may: Holo, you are recruiting a little more than you can handle. I think you are getting punished, because you can't communicate to members the proper way to compete for raids under the LnS and PnP. AZ, find a different strategy because you can't tell Holo how to recruit or win 60v20 60v30 or billionVfew.


Another thing, get the fuck out of here with the notion that twinks killing noobs (and groups) in rags is pvp.

No! LnS bitches, Norrath is big enough and twinks will always happen. Unless you want level req. on gear. That shit is not classic.

People are going to play red and grow neck beards if they have the will to do so. You want more bluebies, then play nice. The people who jump onto red and get all griefy with out even reading the rules thread just don't have red blood in their hearts. I can't even count the number of times I've heard "what is LnS?" in ooc. I've even had tells after explaining LnS that "sounds like is too much work" or "i don't know where else to lvl". Sorry red is not for you then. That's not "get off my server". Its just "sorry learn to deal or I can't help you".

[Duckwalk]

No! LnS bitches, Norrath is big enough and twinks will always happen. Unless you want level req. on gear. That shit is not classic.

People are going to play red and grow neck beards if they have the will to do so. You want more bluebies play nice. The people who jump onto red and get all griefy with out even reading the rules thread just don't have red blood in their hearts. I can't even count the number of times I've heard "what is LnS in ooc". I've even had tells after explaining LnS that "sounds like is too much work" or "i don't know where else to lvl". Sorry red is not for you then. That not get off my server, its just sorry learn to deal or I can't help you.

No what? I'm not sure what your objecting to.

Yes, LnS works fine for prevent getting corpse camped. That's not the issues. Clearly, you've never had a fungi twink wipe your group in MM then follow you to Unrest and gank you there all soley for the purpose of preventing people from playing the game.

At low levels a fungi alone is an almost insurmountable hurdle for players in rags let alone high end hp gear, weapons, resistances, buffs and at times oor healers.

PvP is fun. Some of the best times I've had play EQ in a long time involved my rags group forcing another out of unrest yard because they were taking too many of our mobs. The difference is they could fight back.

I wish someone would do an analysis of total dps and dmg potential of casters at low levels as compared to twinks. I doubt my poor Necro could have even killed an afk twink before mid twenties.

The point is, twinks griefing naked players isn't even remote fair and when it has no other point than preventing people from playing the game it's harmful to the community and should be called out as such, not defended as some of these clowns attempt to.

[Rararboker]

I understand you guys don't want to mass recruit because you get a bunch of shitty players in doing that. I respect that, my guild on blue used to be very selective as well but in order to keep up with everyone else you just have to make it easier to get in and teach your recruits to be good players. Think of it as a baseball farm system, bring prospects up through the minors, treat them well and they will become good & loyal players for your team.
Adding variance won't fix it and if you aren't prepared to do that then your current situation will remain.

<3

Actually did learn a lot from you guys. Great guys all around.

[Rararboker]

xx

[chief]

Allow one character server transfer from blue to red, red will thrive

[Duckwalk]

Naked transfer maybe but then what's the point, you can have a naked 60 in a couple weeks anyways.

[Aesop]

how about geared transfer, return to level 1.

how about that

[gobletsmashing]

how about geared transfer, return to level 1.

how about that

Wow, that's gonna be some badass Unrest griefers there.

[Drakaris]

Yes, LnS works fine for prevent getting corpse camped. That's not the issues. Clearly, you've never had a fungi twink wipe your group in MM then follow you to Unrest and gank you there all soley for the purpose of preventing people from playing the game.

At low levels a fungi alone is an almost insurmountable hurdle for players in rags let alone high end hp gear, weapons, resistances, buffs and at times oor healers.


What I would love to see new players doing is commit to exp zones that are less common. I've PLed friends / shared characters in a number of zones that see absolutely no traffic.

If you are being griefed by a fungi twink in MM or Unrest, then relocate. People can easily exp in WW/OT until they can get a group of level 25-35 players and hit up dalnir.

People can easily exp at giant fort in FM and move to Dalnir/Kaesora or Nurga/Droga if they are in the appropriate level range.

Just food for thought.

[jpetrick]

<3

Actually did learn a lot from you guys. Great guys all around.

Thanks Mij that means a lot.

Epicheals and I play red a lot lately he's on a 43 cleric and I am 45 on my monk. I run around as Elzhi on red if you ever want to play with my crappily geared monk.

[Sheriff]

And be ready for Andis to steal your gem mobs if you are doing Seb in a leveling group.

Legit statement. I have seen it first hand more then once.

[Sheriff]

lets get something straight here folks

holocaust has done nothing for server pop. When Nihilum had the zerg, server numbers were low. in fact at some times all time low. Holocaust has nothing to do with server pop going up.

The efforts of GMs and the community as a whole is the direct reasoning for server pop growing, cuddled with the fact that blue server sucks.

so pls spare the bullshit.

Server dropped a year ago below 100 including Az boxing. Now tops over 300. Server is thriving!

[Nirgon]

pras holo

[Doors]

Andis couldn't be more wrong about Holocaust helping the box. People like Nirgon, Gongshow, Colgate, etc. have gone on streams and on the blue forums and recruited tons of people to red.

As far as variance goes, it's counter productive to PVP and the only reason Azrael is lobbying for it is because it would mean they actually stood a chance at killing a raid mob in the current system. People are less likely to log on and raid something spawning at 1pm EST if they weren't already aware of it's spawn time.

Variance is a terrible idea. It discourages PVP in every aspect. It was also used on blue and was horrible. Most of you have no idea how shitty variance was because you never played on a server with 72 hour variance windows, so stop talking about it like you have a clue.

Azrael could be successful but they aren't for two reasons:


Lite is a horrible leader
Officers of Azrael are egotistical and don't want to teach, gear, or help anyone they deem as "unskilled."

Sorry but your own egos and attitudes prohibit you from succeeding more than anything. I've heard most of your officers sit in locked channels in a TS. Shit like that doesn't help build any type of guild for newer players to grow.

I could sit here all day and cite examples of how toxic Azrael is to the server and how their own behavior and attitudes are their undoing but I'm pretty sure everyone's already aware of Sickpuppy and Andis' epic rogue alts that sit in crushbone and MM pking lowbies with no gear for YT. The fact that Lite led a group into KC to corpse camp someone from Holocaust while breaking LNS rules is just another example. You can't teach cancer to not be cancer, you can only really remove it, and Azrael core has never had any ambition to make Red99 a better box, only to gear themselves and pad their own egos via the leaderboard.

[SHOWITME]

how can an entire guild raid at 1pm est? is the entire guild in college or european or wut?

or unemployed

[krazyGlue]

Server dropped a year ago below 100 including Az boxing. Now tops over 300. Server is thriving!

False propaganda its amazing how many people lie on these forums

[Doors]

Hi coach. The time I used is just an example.

Still stand by my argument that variance is counter productive to PVP. Variance is all about getting to a computer and mobilizing before the other guild does. It does not encourage PVP whatsoever.

[JackFlash]

What I would love to see new players doing is commit to exp zones that are less common. I've PLed friends / shared characters in a number of zones that see absolutely no traffic.

If you are being griefed by a fungi twink in MM or Unrest, then relocate. People can easily exp in WW/OT until they can get a group of level 25-35 players and hit up dalnir.

People can easily exp at giant fort in FM and move to Dalnir/Kaesora or Nurga/Droga if they are in the appropriate level range.

Just food for thought.


This is very true. If you are willing to put in the effort to find something out of the way nobody will bother you. If you want to not PVP you can.

[Duckwalk]

What I would love to see new players doing is commit to exp zones that are less common. I've PLed friends / shared characters in a number of zones that see absolutely no traffic.

If you are being griefed by a fungi twink in MM or Unrest, then relocate. People can easily exp in WW/OT until they can get a group of level 25-35 players and hit up dalnir.

People can easily exp at giant fort in FM and move to Dalnir/Kaesora or Nurga/Droga if they are in the appropriate level range.

Just food for thought.

That would be great. However, population is still a problem. Porters are not always available.

The server seems to be growing and there are groups to be had however normally not more than 1 group for a 10 lvl range. People congregate where they expect find groups. If everyone started exping in kunark and Kunark zones, the PKs would simply move there.

Another issue is group ports arnt available till 29 and kunark till 34. Although it's feasible for grouos to all get porters over together it's simply not as efficient as having a porter in group that can fetch new group member or move the group with little to no notice.

At 30+ groups exp locations expand and PKs located in a single place arnt so much of an issue both due to the decreasing power of twinking and increasing power of naked characters. Any issues I've had, we've just immediately left guk and gone to Solb or HHP or FM. It's just harder to do a lower levels it seems like.

[Duckwalk]

If group ports became available at 16 sow you might see a lot more use out of befallen and najena, BB or Kurns

[Not_Kazowi]

I don't get it. Didn't most people come here for huge pvp battles like I saw from smedy videos back in VZTZ days? Isn't the pinnacle of EverQuest large 50v50v50 zone control battles? Is it our fault that Azrael intentionally keeps their guild # small and therefore is unable to contest head on? Had Azrael taken even a fraction of the people that went to Fresh in order to build up their #'s, then they could be competing 50 v 50 or even 60 v 60 on a weekly basis for amazingly fun pvp fights. Instead, they've decided they'd rather hug KC zone lines for meaningful PvP. Problem isn't the rules or Holocaust, it's Azrael for not wanting to be an actual meaningful EverQuest guild.

Yes this is the problem. Azrael have too much ego over a emulated elf sim game to make it fun. Problem really lies with lite being the leader and equating this game to his sole purpose and gain from life (disturbingly pathetic)

If they could just let their ego go and recruit and fight it would be a great time like on VZTZ

[laowllol]

If group ports became available at 16 sow you might see a lot more use out of befallen and najena, BB or Kurns

not classic.

[Taboo]

I'm in Holocaust and I can tell you from my stint in Red Dawn, Gods work, and the two hours I think in Azrael the problem here is pretty clear.

-If you join the current other guilds you cannot progress your character to where pvp is more an even playing field.

-If your in Holo, well not many options to show pvp skill unless you ride out solo. But you get gear! What is strange however is that people with BIS gear stay even tho they rarely ever get something for an alt. What does that say ?

Holo is not what most of us pictured as a fun option on a pvp server. Guildies say this all the time. But what sucks even worse is the other options.

Colgate for being so young carries himself with a lot of maturity. I have heard other guild leaders TS's almost twice his age talk and you would think they were Colgate's actual age.

For me there is no better option than to group with people I can tolerate and ignore the zerg side for a bit. ALOT feel this way. Oh yea the only two things I have gotten here is a trak tooth to finish my key and a vp weapon I rarely use since I was epic'd before joining.

If other guild leaders carried themselves better they would surely have people flocking to join their ranks.

But take a moment and look at who runs the other guilds, their histories. The server being so small has a hard time forgetting who those guys really are. No matter what toon you roll to hide it.

[Steel Warrior]

Except that if two or three different guilds capable of killing the mob, mobilize against eachother. Then you have offshoots of small scale pvp that turns into larger scale pvp as more players log in.

The current ecosystem, which hasn't changed in 4 years is that: one guild gets to critical mass, where it simply cannot be killed in pvp even by a far superior pvp skilled guild, and they get all the raid timers, recruiting is super easy because everyone just wants pixels and all they have to do is log in a few hours a week for that sweet DKP, then all those sick bastards log on the forums to ask why theres no competition for guilds with 1/4 the memberbase.

The real pathetic part is that the same people who were being chastized by Nihilum 3 years ago, are now the ones chastizing Azrael for not competiing while they sit with their 100 members on raid day.

There is no raid day. Not all the mobs pop on Sunday. You keep posting as if you know something about the current raid scene and you just don't. Please stop spamming your ignorant views.

[Steel Warrior]

The simple truth is that Azrael will not be a competitive guild unless the rules are changed to favor them. If variance were implemented, they would continue to lose, and then they would begin their next propaganda campaign, probably to limit maximum guild size.

I have high raid attendance with Holocaust. We raid with somewhere between 40 and 60, usually right in the middle of that. However, they are not at all the same people from day to day or week to week. We were talking about turnover tonight and I went through the list of names. We had 52 players, including some brand new recruits who needed Sebilis keys in order to raid Trakanon. I joined the guild in October. There were 17 members at the raid who were in the guild when I joined. Seventeen.

This is not an aberration. This is part of the guild mission as I understand it. On many occasions, Gongshow, our guildleader, has clearly stated that he doesn't mind if people join the guild for a little while, join some experience groups, level up, get a little gear and their epics, and then move on. We help people get their epics every day, and many, maybe most, of them disappear. This includes people like Ragnaros and Kecleon who now talk shit about Holocaust--I personally helped Kecleon with his epic mobs.

The best hope the server currently has for healthy competition is Fresh. They are following a similar mission to Holocaust: recruiting new players, helping them gear and level. When Fresh hits a critical mass of level 60s, somewhere around 100 so they can field a raid of 50, I full expect to see them actively compete with us.

I look forward to it.

On the other hand, what I expect from Suave is for the unsuspecting new players in their guild to help gear up the alts of Exed, Akinn, and Gaffin. I expect those players to then return to Azrael and for Suave to fold, just as happens with every guild associated with Azrael.

There is certainly room for a third guild like Holocaust and Fresh who welcome and nurture new players. It's hard to get started on red. Most players will need a little help to learn the ropes. What is currently missing for that to happen is a third set of leaders who will treat their members with dignity and respect.

I would like to offer my personal thanks to Gongshow, Colgate, Waspnado, Terp, Weta and the other leaders of Holocaust for giving me a great home, to Karsten and Bigtuna for creating another guild that doesn't suck, and to Sirken, Aussie, Eunomia, and the other GMs and guides who have been trying to make this a better place to play. I think this server is great and I think the people who badmouth it suck.

[Cappa]

welcome to eq stasis? not sure if serious here pal

those are the current rules

This is the exact problem with some Azrael, primarily under Lite's direction.

THIS is the current rule:

"In large scale PvP (7 or more players on both sides), LnS must be called by a force as a whole. Individuals may not invoke Loot and Scoot. LnS may be called by the force at any time, this option may never be forfeited. If a fight took place across multiple zones, the force is considered to have finished LnS'ing once all of their players have left the zones affected. All other LnS rules still apply."

My encounter occured 5 seconds after i logged on. The force was Aces and Myself, being engaged by Brennard (and his train, which is another thing all together). Just because there were some other Holo downstairs doesn't make them any part of MY force, nor did Brennard have anyone else on HIS force. It was a 1v2. It is just the daily bullshit that the same old people use time and time again to get away with not playing by the rules that most everyone else should and do play by.

There is no such thing as GUILD LNS. Those are the rules bro.

But you all know this, you just do whatever lawyerquest you want and try to bend it to match your style. Getting a YT on me is more important to you than Server rules. This is the fundamental problem. It isn't going to ever change unless some serious consequences are handed out.

I treat everyone on this server well including the people who did this to me yesterday. Lite, Myke, Rag, all three of you cant disagree with this dispite breaking the rules to YT me. I have no sympathy for Lite's QQ about variance and losing all the time or any other of Azrael's self created problems. They should change if they want to be better. Holocaust was formed out of a group of guilds that came together to stop Azrael grief.

Just like when i was in Azrael teamspeak a couple weeks ago. Lite says, and i quote " you better download fraps baby, because i WILL train you"

GG

[Akalakamelee]

Think about this. If everyone joins the same zerg guild, holds hands for dragons, and never fights... what does this make us? yea, it makes us all care bears. at that point the server owners would save money by just making P99 into 1 blue server instead of having a blue server, and a red server that acts blue. Red exists for a reason, so why not play this box the way it's meant to be played?

[Sear]

I don't get it. Didn't most people come here for huge pvp battles like I saw from smedy videos back in VZTZ days? Isn't the pinnacle of EverQuest large 50v50v50 zone control battles? Is it our fault that Azrael intentionally keeps their guild # small and therefore is unable to contest head on? Had Azrael taken even a fraction of the people that went to Fresh in order to build up their #'s, then they could be competing 50 v 50 or even 60 v 60 on a weekly basis for amazingly fun pvp fights. Instead, they've decided they'd rather hug KC zone lines for meaningful PvP. Problem isn't the rules or Holocaust, it's Azrael for not wanting to be an actual meaningful EverQuest guild.

The difference is that on VZTZ (where my guild was the zerg), the competition bitched about it but still competed.

Heresy and the SZ crew still contested everything and would use their smaller numbers to their advantage in pvp. Their players were better geared because there were less of them and they won more of the BOTBs.

[bouncerr 2.0]

Think about this. If everyone joins the same zerg guild, holds hands for dragons, and never fights... what does this make us? yea, it makes us all care bears. at that point the server owners would save money by just making P99 into 1 blue server instead of having a blue server, and a red server that acts blue. Red exists for a reason, so why not play this box the way it's meant to be played?

agree to disagree, even tho holo has gone full out zerg now the server pop is thriving which helps the economy and gives us some targets to kill

just wish azrael would recruit a little more and really give them a good run

suave is up and coming, more guilds the better

[Steel Warrior]

Think about this. If everyone joins the same zerg guild, holds hands for dragons, and never fights... what does this make us? yea, it makes us all care bears. at that point the server owners would save money by just making P99 into 1 blue server instead of having a blue server, and a red server that acts blue. Red exists for a reason, so why not play this box the way it's meant to be played?

There are currently two large guilds, Holocaust and Fresh. When Fresh is ready, probably very soon, I have every expectation that they will begin to challenge Holocaust for raid mobs. I also expect the competition to be heated but much more friendly than anything Azrael has ever been involved in.

Population is not precluding a third large guild, only lack of leadership. All of this crying and whining about one guild is pathetic and disingenuous. You know the timers. Recruit and contest.

[Sear]

also that box was thug life and this one is more plug life

[Not_Kazowi]

also that box was thug life and this one is more plug life

u tell it bb

[Melveny]

I miss vztz.

[Not_Kazowi]

I miss vztz.

hey old pal, i miss vztz too

[Nirgon]

i have sent easily a couple dozen blubies to red, and based on their personality i suggest a guild that would best suit them. it just so happens that a lot of blubies share your mentality. take that as you wish.

i didnt start this thread to fire shots, notice its not in RNF. but, if you'd like to start firing, im free for the next few hours.

and while you're tossing nuggets from our private chats into the public eye, ill drop this one too; i also said that i didnt think Holo's size was a problem, because you guys need the big numbers for velious. and i believe i even went on to say that the bigger problem was the other guilds are too small and need to recruit to have a chance in velious.

but i mean, please feel free to cherry pick the parts of what i say to try and make it look like i have a problem with you or your guild, while at the same name im defending the names Colgate and Holocaust from being changed by people that actually do have a problem with you or your guild.

learn to pick your battles better buddy

Sirken do you know how hard it is to invite some of these guildless people? You can literally just guild invite some people and they will join. It's not like you're asking the other guilds to do anything difficult.

You help em with shit and they stick around.

[Melveny]

hey old pal, i miss vztz too

Hey man long time hope you're doing well!

[ExedOut]

I dont underatand some peoples logic. Most who actually know me know I am probably one of the most selfless people on this server. The continual slandering of my name is past the point of trolling. Suave is a legit guild and the only alt I have is already geared. Same with akinn. In fact, I've given out loot and bought over 50k worth of items, spells, etc for my guildmates. All of whom I've known less than a month. Ask my members how to hey are enjoying their time in Suave rather than blindly throwing jabs. It makes you look uneducated and silly. We are having a blast and if we can just pull some clutch classes we will be a formidable opponent in the future.

[Steel Warrior]

I dont underatand some peoples logic. Most who actually know me know I am probably one of the most selfless people on this server. The continual slandering of my name is past the point of trolling. Suave is a legit guild and the only alt I have is already geared. Same with akinn. In fact, I've given out loot and bought over 50k worth of items, spells, etc for my guildmates. All of whom I've known less than a month. Ask my members how to hey are enjoying their time in Suave rather than blindly throwing jabs. It makes you look uneducated and silly. We are having a blast and if we can just pull some clutch classes we will be a formidable opponent in the future.

When I was an unguilded level 30 druid starting out on the server, you used to advertise wtb port in ooc. You stiffed me three times. The first time, I thought it might have been an oversight. The second time I was a little miffed. The third time I wrote you off. You never even said thank you.

Now maybe you understand why I think you're selfish garbage, and the fact that you think 50k is a big deal reinforces that opinion.

If you and Akinn would stop talking endless shit in shout and ooc, it might go a ways toward changing peoples' opinions. Maybe.

[heartbrand]

I like exed

[nixar]

Pras exed!

[quido]

there's no cure for mental retardation

[Amplitude]

exed you and your baby momma work things out pal?

bitches come n go fungi tunics r forever

[Drakaris]

Well, no shit sherlock. That's exactly how you stay in power on this server without variance, you recruit EVERY warmbody available. You have extreme power in numbers when the spawn timer doesn't move week to week. If he didn't have those warm bodies that jump ship after they get geared, the guild would cease to exist at least to the point where it was getting ANY gear - because another zerg would usurp it.

Grow a brian, moran

Are you Lite's new bursar? Is he giving you DKP for your level of vocality towards pushing his agenda?

Do share, and include your character names so I can hunt you down if I see you in game.

[Buhbuh]

I find it peculiar that Holocaust is not only being misinterpreted by almost every other guild on the server, but by GM's too.

We're not on a mission to be ready for Velious. That time has long past. Our mission isn't to zerg. When people throw that word around as if it's an insult, none of Holocaust's leaders are affected by it. These "insults," or what you think are criticisms, don't sting.

It's a matter of population growth, and it always has been. We don't care what you think. Blue99 grew plenty without actual competition. Despite the shit show it is over there, it's still getting 1300 people at prime time.

If you haven't figured it out yet, making this server more blue is what helps the population. All this painstaking work that myself and all the other leaders of Holocaust have put in will pay off. You clowns just need to wait. If we can epic and gear out bluebies in some modest gear before Velious, the chances they will stick around are vastly higher than if they're left to scrounge for upgrades on their own.

What we're doing is not rocket science. No one else is offering epics as they're able to complete them. No one is handing out RBBs and CoF's to apps.

Our guild bank consists of a few Tolan's BPs and almost nothing else. This loot isn't being hoarded. It's being awarded to new players on a daily basis.

We can't even afford peridots or planar stones because our bank is so hollowed out. We award loot to people that are there and need the loot. That may change in the future if the landscape of R99 changes, but for the foreseeable future, we'll be the same transparent loot council we've always been.

I could not care less that people think we're ruining the server. We're playing the long game. No other guild will or has the capability to gear out new players as they come in. And as Bump said earlier, if these new people leave Holocaust and move on to something else, so be it. I don't care. We geared a new player and invigorated the server with a lasting presence.

We're a zerg? Who fucking cares right now? It's Kunark. Any meaningful PvP happens on a small scale right now. KC PvP is a fucking joke.

Azrael isn't going to be in power again. Aside from our vow to gear new players, that's number one in our credo. Anyone that follows Lite is surrendering their EQ experience to a cyclical failure. Holocaust knows this, and we're going to make you feel it until you learn to build something new.

Sorry, that's just the way it's got to be. Sirken's criticism isn't going to change Azrael's behavior - their lack of tenacity is deep-rooted and inextricable. You have a shitty guild leader, that's it. Change it, or be relegated to a shitty EQ experience from now until your demise. That's the bottom line. I cannot be more clear about this.

As far as making examples out of people that are leading the server forward, that's all well and good. I support that.

But Sirken, the recent drama in Sebilis was a rash decision with unknowing players. I don't need to go over the same points everyone has already presented to you, but when you're not pleased with someone's behavior in game, it's a far better idea to send them a tell first, to communicate with them, before throwing out death touches. Everyone knew the pathing was changed on the sly, but no one stopped pulling there. They just figured out the new pathing nodes and continued on as normal. The implication of changing pathing nodes to stop players from pulling there isn't going to change our tenacity in figuring out a new and creative way to get it back behind that rock, and it's certainly not enough of a "statement" to warn us. Sending us a tell would have sufficed. I can see how you might see that situation as making an example out of us, but all it really amounted to was confusion among our players and probably a massive headache for you. In all honesty, that could have been solved the same way by sending each guild leader a tell, instructed to warn their players not to be there, or just by sending a server wide message about it during prime time. There are different creative ways of dealing with players that don't amount to different factions feeling slighted/ confused.

It's no big deal, though. You're gon' do what you're gon' do.

Holo crootin'

[Slowride]

sirken,

with hopes to have 4 factions as you say

the sever pop as it is cant function with such a zerg

there is no members left, unless we poach some of the other guilds.

the root of the problem here is the zerg mentality. not sure how you do not see this.

it hurt us during nihilum era, and will continue to do so

This is coming from someone who has been on this EMU I say AGAIN EMU (which means red is my only server) less then a month, why I will never join a guild like Azreal. You guys flame people in rags and make joke's about it in ooc. For example someone did something to me simply because I have a holo tag and I said nothing to them. They then resorted to ooc trash talk about how I am a blue player and its ok to cause me exp loss cause its a pvp server and i have need a tampon etc etc... I said nothing to these guys. The way i see it is i should of been crying in ooc because I am the dude who lost exp.. But these attention starved people had to do everything in there power to make me look like the bad guy for doing nothing but simply kiteing. And then get mad because I would not respond to there trolls.

[Nirgon]

The roach is back

[Ragnaros]

I find it peculiar that Holocaust is not only being misinterpreted by almost every other guild on the server, but by GM's too.

We're not on a mission to be ready for Velious. That time has long past. Our mission isn't to zerg. When people throw that word around as if it's an insult, none of Holocaust's leaders are affected by it. These "insults," or what you think are criticisms, don't sting.

It's a matter of population growth, and it always has been. We don't care what you think. Blue99 grew plenty without actual competition. Despite the shit show it is over there, it's still getting 1300 people at prime time.

If you haven't figured it out yet, making this server more blue is what helps the population. All this painstaking work that myself and all the other leaders of Holocaust have put in will pay off. You clowns just need to wait. If we can epic and gear out bluebies in some modest gear before Velious, the chances they will stick around are vastly higher than if they're left to scrounge for upgrades on their own.

What we're doing is not rocket science. No one else is offering epics as they're able to complete them. No one is handing out RBBs and CoF's to apps.

Our guild bank consists of a few Tolan's BPs and almost nothing else. This loot isn't being hoarded. It's being awarded to new players on a daily basis.

We can't even afford peridots or planar stones because our bank is so hollowed out. We award loot to people that are there and need the loot. That may change in the future if the landscape of R99 changes, but for the foreseeable future, we'll be the same transparent loot council we've always been.

I could not care less that people think we're ruining the server. We're playing the long game. No other guild will or has the capability to gear out new players as they come in. And as Bump said earlier, if these new people leave Holocaust and move on to something else, so be it. I don't care. We geared a new player and invigorated the server with a lasting presence.

We're a zerg? Who fucking cares right now? It's Kunark. Any meaningful PvP happens on a small scale right now. KC PvP is a fucking joke.

Azrael isn't going to be in power again. Aside from our vow to gear new players, that's number one in our credo. Anyone that follows Lite is surrendering their EQ experience to a cyclical failure. Holocaust knows this, and we're going to make you feel it until you learn to build something new.

Sorry, that's just the way it's got to be. Sirken's criticism isn't going to change Azrael's behavior - their lack of tenacity is deep-rooted and inextricable. You have a shitty guild leader, that's it. Change it, or be relegated to a shitty EQ experience from now until your demise. That's the bottom line. I cannot be more clear about this.

As far as making examples out of people that are leading the server forward, that's all well and good. I support that.

But Sirken, the recent drama in Sebilis was a rash decision with unknowing players. I don't need to go over the same points everyone has already presented to you, but when you're not pleased with someone's behavior in game, it's a far better idea to send them a tell first, to communicate with them, before throwing out death touches. Everyone knew the pathing was changed on the sly, but no one stopped pulling there. They just figured out the new pathing nodes and continued on as normal. The implication of changing pathing nodes to stop players from pulling there isn't going to change our tenacity in figuring out a new and creative way to get it back behind that rock, and it's certainly not enough of a "statement" to warn us. Sending us a tell would have sufficed. I can see how you might see that situation as making an example out of us, but all it really amounted to was confusion among our players and probably a massive headache for you. In all honesty, that could have been solved the same way by sending each guild leader a tell, instructed to warn their players not to be there, or just by sending a server wide message about it during prime time. There are different creative ways of dealing with players that don't amount to different factions feeling slighted/ confused.

It's no big deal, though. You're gon' do what you're gon' do.

Holo crootin'

your fucking hilarious if you think holocaust has anything to do with the pop being 300, it was already rising, your just killing it by squeezing any chance out of competition out of the server, theres literally nothing your doing that nihilum didn't do besides recruiting MORE THEN NIHILUM

[FoxxHound]

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/35g657848.gif

Wood do Sirken, and Agent Smith. Same time; with hand in their butts~

[Steel Warrior]

This is coming from someone who has been on this EMU I say AGAIN EMU (which means red is my only server) less then a month, why I will never join a guild like Azreal. You guys flame people in rags and make joke's about it in ooc. For example someone did something to me simply because I have a holo tag and I said nothing to them. They then resorted to ooc trash talk about how I am a blue player and its ok to cause me exp loss cause its a pvp server and i have need a tampon etc etc... I said nothing to these guys. The way i see it is i should of been crying in ooc because I am the dude who lost exp.. But these attention starved people had to do everything in there power to make me look like the bad guy for doing nothing but simply kiteing. And then get mad because I would not respond to there trolls.

We almost all have that experience. Sometimes they try to hide behind other tags like Albanian Dance Floor Massacre and so on, but everyone eventually figures it out, and it just evolves into continuing trash talk whenever they manage to catch you alone 2 or 3 or 6 versus one. They call you a trash can and tell you to go back to blue.

Then they wonder why no one likes them.

[Steel Warrior]

your fucking hilarious if you think holocaust has anything to do with the pop being 300, it was already rising, your just killing it by squeezing any chance out of competition out of the server, theres literally nothing your doing that nihilum didn't do besides recruiting MORE THEN NIHILUM

Dumber than Ragnaros.

[Akalakamelee]

If you haven't figured it out yet, making this server more blue is what helps the population.

Holo crootin'

short version.

[Ragnaros]

Dumber than Ragnaros.

Rank 4000 blue is calling

[Steel Warrior]

Rank 4000 blue is calling

Then they wonder why no one likes them.

[Akalakamelee]

This is coming from someone who has been on this EMU I say AGAIN EMU (which means red is my only server) less then a month, why I will never join a guild like Azreal. You guys flame people in rags and make joke's about it in ooc. For example someone did something to me simply because I have a holo tag and I said nothing to them. They then resorted to ooc trash talk about how I am a blue player and its ok to cause me exp loss cause its a pvp server and i have need a tampon etc etc... I said nothing to these guys. The way i see it is i should of been crying in ooc because I am the dude who lost exp.. But these attention starved people had to do everything in there power to make me look like the bad guy for doing nothing but simply kiteing. And then get mad because I would not respond to there trolls.

Your in a guild that treats server rules like floor mats. Might want to research who you hang with before you make a commitment. exp loss happens in pvp all the time. just yesterday I was kiting just like you, got snared and died. Oh and guess what? He was a holo member, a cool one which is rare but that's not my point. Point is, in pvp shit happens bro, get up, dust off, and either go elsewhere, contest, or log for a bit.

[Akalakamelee]

Rank 4000 blue is calling

Lmao, this this for real? How's that even possible?

[Jimmybones]

lets get something straight here folks

holocaust has done nothing for server pop. When Nihilum had the zerg, server numbers were low. in fact at some times all time low. Holocaust has nothing to do with server pop going up.

The efforts of GMs and the community as a whole is the direct reasoning for server pop growing, cuddled with the fact that blue server sucks.

so pls spare the bullshit.


lol good 1

[Slowride]

Your in a guild that treats server rules like floor mats. Might want to research who you hang with before you make a commitment. exp loss happens in pvp all the time. just yesterday I was kiting just like you, got snared and died. Oh and guess what? He was a holo member, a cool one which is rare but that's not my point. Point is, in pvp shit happens bro, get up, dust off, and either go elsewhere, contest, or log for a bit.

I do not care about pvp, or pvp exp loss, its the freaking ooc trash talk. Like attention starved little kids begging for dad's attention. Like i said i never said ANYTHING.

[BardPop]

enough for velious at this point, but the problem is (not taking shots, stating how i see it) at some point they will hit a fork where theres too many members for them all to get loots in a reasonable amount of time. but just in case you do care, continuing to accept anything with a pulse actually is hurting the server now.
Most guilds on live raided with 50-60 or more back in the day, many for years. Sure azrael can do mobs with 20-25+, but who geared azrael to the point where they could do that, a bis raid force? 50 man raids seem fine to me, thats how basically every guild raids on live and how anyone who wants to do velious content raids imho

[Jimmybones]

I find it peculiar that Holocaust is not only being misinterpreted by almost every other guild on the server, but by GM's too.

We're not on a mission to be ready for Velious. That time has long past. Our mission isn't to zerg. When people throw that word around as if it's an insult, none of Holocaust's leaders are affected by it. These "insults," or what you think are criticisms, don't sting.

It's a matter of population growth, and it always has been. We don't care what you think. Blue99 grew plenty without actual competition. Despite the shit show it is over there, it's still getting 1300 people at prime time.

If you haven't figured it out yet, making this server more blue is what helps the population. All this painstaking work that myself and all the other leaders of Holocaust have put in will pay off. You clowns just need to wait. If we can epic and gear out bluebies in some modest gear before Velious, the chances they will stick around are vastly higher than if they're left to scrounge for upgrades on their own.

What we're doing is not rocket science. No one else is offering epics as they're able to complete them. No one is handing out RBBs and CoF's to apps.

Our guild bank consists of a few Tolan's BPs and almost nothing else. This loot isn't being hoarded. It's being awarded to new players on a daily basis.

We can't even afford peridots or planar stones because our bank is so hollowed out. We award loot to people that are there and need the loot. That may change in the future if the landscape of R99 changes, but for the foreseeable future, we'll be the same transparent loot council we've always been.

I could not care less that people think we're ruining the server. We're playing the long game. No other guild will or has the capability to gear out new players as they come in. And as Bump said earlier, if these new people leave Holocaust and move on to something else, so be it. I don't care. We geared a new player and invigorated the server with a lasting presence.

We're a zerg? Who fucking cares right now? It's Kunark. Any meaningful PvP happens on a small scale right now. KC PvP is a fucking joke.

Azrael isn't going to be in power again. Aside from our vow to gear new players, that's number one in our credo. Anyone that follows Lite is surrendering their EQ experience to a cyclical failure. Holocaust knows this, and we're going to make you feel it until you learn to build something new.

Sorry, that's just the way it's got to be. Sirken's criticism isn't going to change Azrael's behavior - their lack of tenacity is deep-rooted and inextricable. You have a shitty guild leader, that's it. Change it, or be relegated to a shitty EQ experience from now until your demise. That's the bottom line. I cannot be more clear about this.

As far as making examples out of people that are leading the server forward, that's all well and good. I support that.

But Sirken, the recent drama in Sebilis was a rash decision with unknowing players. I don't need to go over the same points everyone has already presented to you, but when you're not pleased with someone's behavior in game, it's a far better idea to send them a tell first, to communicate with them, before throwing out death touches. Everyone knew the pathing was changed on the sly, but no one stopped pulling there. They just figured out the new pathing nodes and continued on as normal. The implication of changing pathing nodes to stop players from pulling there isn't going to change our tenacity in figuring out a new and creative way to get it back behind that rock, and it's certainly not enough of a "statement" to warn us. Sending us a tell would have sufficed. I can see how you might see that situation as making an example out of us, but all it really amounted to was confusion among our players and probably a massive headache for you. In all honesty, that could have been solved the same way by sending each guild leader a tell, instructed to warn their players not to be there, or just by sending a server wide message about it during prime time. There are different creative ways of dealing with players that don't amount to different factions feeling slighted/ confused.

It's no big deal, though. You're gon' do what you're gon' do.

Holo crootin'

holy shit do u think any1 is gunna read this?

[Troubled]

Came for the mandatory blue shutdown, stayed for the Holo. Gettin rich. Making alt that I want to pvp with.

[Sektor]

holy shit do u think any1 is gunna read this?

[Akalakamelee]

I do not care about pvp, or pvp exp loss, its the freaking ooc trash talk. Like attention starved little kids begging for dad's attention. Like i said i never said ANYTHING.

Again, look at your guild tag. I posted my opinions of holo on this forum not too long ago and was attacked For weeks. I have no sympathy for anyone that gets the same treatment while wearing that tag. In My eyes they deserve it For being allied with such scum.

[Ragnaros]

Then they wonder why no one likes them.

I think hitting a moving player might be a bit out of your league, i think the east commonlands tunnel is awaiting

[Akalakamelee]

I think hitting a moving player might be a bit out of your league, i think the east commonlands tunnel is awaiting

I admit, I lold at that one rag :)

[Slowride]

People with my Tag are the only people, minus a few cool dudes from Suave - Who have been pretty cool and a plesent experience for me on this server. Perhaps you should take some lessons. Maybe new players would join you as well? Oh and PS you can be a cool dude and pvp and still be a cool dude. Refer to Vallon zek Early 2000s. PVP happend and people were cool about it. Nothing is personal on a video game. Sirken can validate this. See ya around.

[Akalakamelee]

People with my Tag are the only people, minus a few cool dudes from Suave - Who have been pretty cool and a plesent experience for me on this server. Perhaps you should take some lessons. Maybe new players would join you as well? Oh and PS you can be a cool dude and pvp and still be a cool dude. Refer to Vallon zek Early 2000s. PVP happend and people were cool about it. Nothing is personal on a video game. Sirken can validate this. See ya around.

Hey, I can respect that. Most holo I don't like. Met one tonight that was cool. Had my run in with you which is fine. Maybe we got off on a bad note, outside of being mad you might be level headed. Gonna put your name in the pending cool currently ok hat. Let's see where it goes, happy eq red pal.

[Drakaris]

The reason why I'm on the holo bandwagon is simple. I agree with the guild and its goals.

For the 2+ years I've played on Red, the only consistent thing I've experienced is the toxicity of Azrael. Every guild has gone through cycles, including Nihilum, who went from being an unstoppable force, to being an underdog who could field no more than 10-15 player, most of them being ex-Red Dawn when Nizzar took a break.

Either way, server pop wouldn't increase/decrease based on the guilds in charge alone. The server pop has gone through it's most rapid increase in years and it is both a credit to Sirken, for all his hard work and the tireless guild leaders behind the guilds that take new players and give them an EQ experience. A lot of credit to <Fresh> who I observe helping new players on a daily basis, especially their leaders who spend time buffing new players in frequently griefed zones instead of farming gear for their 15th alt.

PRAS STAFF, PRAS NON-TOXIC GUILDS.

[Steel Warrior]

I think hitting a moving player might be a bit out of your league, i think the east commonlands tunnel is awaiting

You've been attacking me since I was level 56, but somehow never managed to kill me.

Why is that?

Also, how did you manage to die more than 200 times more than me? This is despite the fact that you plug constantly, including six times in Lavastorm yesterday.

Since I hit 60, I've died twice in January and once in February.

If you want to talk shit to me, maybe you better learn to stop being a total punching bag.

Dumber than Ragnaros.

Versace Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Nagafen's Lair 1.24 February 04 2015 4:00:35 PM
Madude Ragnaros Azrael Steamfont Mountains 1.24 January 31 2015 3:40:35 PM
Pierre Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Plane of Hate 1.25 January 29 2015 4:17:34 PM
Helenkeller Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Karnor's Castle 1.05 January 27 2015 7:34:22 PM
Brennard Azrael Ragnaros Azrael Field of Bone 0.00 January 27 2015 2:51:20 AM
Brennard Azrael Ragnaros Azrael Field of Bone 0.00 January 27 2015 2:17:11 AM
Guido Azrael Ragnaros Azrael Plane of Hate 0.00 January 26 2015 11:55:48 PM
Aviato Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Steamfont Mountains 0.00 January 24 2015 12:40:48 AM
Weta Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Steamfont Mountains 0.00 January 23 2015 11:54:54 PM
Sirken Ragnaros Azrael Steamfont Mountains 0.00 January 23 2015 11:34:03 PM
Nakor Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Karnor's Castle 1.02 January 23 2015 4:04:37 PM
Gongshow Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Karnor's Castle 1.13 January 23 2015 2:02:25 PM
Mornin Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Dreadlands 1.19 January 18 2015 2:39:03 PM
Razzo Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Lavastorm Mountains 1.32 January 17 2015 10:44:43 PM
Kammbo Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Dreadlands 1.39 January 17 2015 9:00:04 PM
Strange Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael The Nektulos Forest 0.94 January 13 2015 11:21:39 PM
Demote Fresh Ragnaros Azrael Karnor's Castle 0.93 January 13 2015 7:54:40 PM
Mornin Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Karnor's Castle 0.96 December 31 2014 4:28:43 PM
Fatality Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Karnor's Castle 1.06 December 31 2014 3:05:28 AM
Letsjoe Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Firiona Vie 0.11 December 30 2014 11:48:48 PM
Elemtal Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Karnor's Castle 1.19 December 30 2014 11:43:54 PM
Quiet Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Firiona Vie 1.30 December 30 2014 1:16:06 AM
Chuckdusky Azrael Ragnaros Azrael Veeshan's Peak 0.00 December 29 2014 11:17:54 PM
Sirken Ragnaros Azrael Veeshan's Peak 0.00 December 29 2014 10:36:51 PM
Kairan Fresh Ragnaros Azrael The Emerald Jungle 0.69 December 23 2014 9:58:52 PM
Weta Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Old Sebilis 0.62 December 22 2014 10:54:49 PM
Gream Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Dreadlands 0.55 December 22 2014 5:23:53 PM
Mornin Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Nagafen's Lair 0.52 December 21 2014 8:26:35 PM
Strange Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Nagafen's Lair 0.52 December 21 2014 1:16:57 PM
Vanco Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Nagafen's Lair 0.57 December 21 2014 11:13:00 AM
Slumlord Holocaust Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 0.58 December 20 2014 6:16:26 PM
Datboom Holocaust Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 0.65 December 20 2014 5:58:57 PM
Curious Holocaust Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 0.72 December 20 2014 3:58:20 PM
Datboom Holocaust Ragnaros Dreadlands 0.76 December 20 2014 3:05:16 PM
Kecleon Azrael Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 0.84 December 20 2014 2:24:30 PM
Slumlord Holocaust Ragnaros Dreadlands 0.87 December 15 2014 10:37:42 PM
Kammbo Holocaust Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 0.92 December 15 2014 1:59:00 AM
Colgate Holocaust Ragnaros Dreadlands 0.92 December 14 2014 7:41:43 PM
Strange Holocaust Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 1.03 December 14 2014 2:37:16 PM
Flipp Holocaust Ragnaros Frontier Mountains 1.07 December 14 2014 2:32:11 AM
Brobby God's Work Ragnaros Old Sebilis 0.95 December 13 2014 3:51:38 PM
Gaanon God's Work Ragnaros Old Sebilis 1.03 December 13 2014 1:34:34 PM
Chuckdusky God's Work Ragnaros God's Work Karnor's Castle 0.00 December 08 2014 8:13:45 PM
Bangan Azrael Ragnaros God's Work Karnor's Castle 1.06 December 08 2014 2:13:43 AM
Bangan Azrael Ragnaros God's Work Karnor's Castle 1.16 December 07 2014 4:08:06 AM
Burgerking Holocaust Ragnaros God's Work Dreadlands 1.10 December 06 2014 3:11:37 PM
Myopic Holocaust Ragnaros God's Work Karnor's Castle 1.04 December 04 2014 3:11:40 AM
Croup Holocaust Ragnaros God's Work The Overthere 1.15 December 04 2014 12:04:52 AM
Gongshow Holocaust Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 1.27 November 30 2014 9:41:47 PM
Versace Holocaust Ragnaros Frontier Mountains 1.21 November 30 2014 3:47:54 PM
Loudog Ragnaros God's Work The Overthere 0.67 November 26 2014 9:03:09 PM
Loudog Ragnaros God's Work Dreadlands 0.45 November 26 2014 12:14:50 PM
Godwin Eternal Light Ragnaros God's Work The Nektulos Forest 0.44 November 25 2014 9:52:56 PM
Fungkwaq Holocaust Ragnaros God's Work Rivervale 1.17 November 21 2014 6:09:14 PM
Rutroh Holocaust Ragnaros God's Work Frontier Mountains 1.27 November 20 2014 5:39:50 PM
Cappa Holocaust Ragnaros The Mighty Ducks Dreadlands 0.38 November 18 2014 7:18:51 PM
Trypp Azrael Ragnaros The Mighty Ducks Rivervale 0.36 November 17 2014 1:27:17 AM
Ilillill Azrael Ragnaros The Mighty Ducks Dreadlands 0.37 November 16 2014 10:14:55 PM
Mirkuls God's Work Ragnaros Rap Game Bill Cosby Dreadlands 0.36 November 15 2014 7:09:09 PM
Denz Azrael Ragnaros Rap Game Bill Cosby Chardok 0.19 November 09 2014 11:21:51 PM
Smallmee Albanian Dance Floor Massacre Ragnaros Rap Game Bill Cosby Rivervale 0.22 November 09 2014 10:54:42 PM
Eddard Holocaust Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 0.02 November 09 2014 12:43:02 PM
Vanco Holocaust Ragnaros Dreadlands 0.02 November 09 2014 12:37:49 PM
Gream Holocaust Ragnaros Dreadlands 0.25 November 09 2014 12:36:19 PM
Sachee God's Work Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 0.25 November 09 2014 2:14:38 AM
Grinch God's Work Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 0.12 November 08 2014 1:42:28 PM
Aikido Holocaust Ragnaros Dreadlands 0.13 November 08 2014 12:57:26 PM
Tudamil God's Work Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 0.15 November 07 2014 9:33:24 PM
Mornin Holocaust Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 0.16 November 07 2014 8:39:25 PM
Kecleon Holocaust Ragnaros Dreadlands 0.18 November 07 2014 3:44:58 PM
Helenkeller Holocaust Ragnaros Dreadlands 0.22 November 07 2014 1:39:49 AM
Kammbo Holocaust Ragnaros Dreadlands 0.15 November 06 2014 11:24:56 PM
Strange Holocaust Ragnaros West Commonlands 0.17 November 06 2014 9:19:34 PM
Mordeath Azrael Ragnaros Rathe Mountains 0.19 November 06 2014 7:16:08 PM
Scotia Azrael Ragnaros Breakfast Club Dreadlands 0.16 November 04 2014 11:01:45 AM
Kammbo Holocaust Ragnaros Breakfast Club Karnor's Castle 0.17 November 04 2014 10:36:32 AM
Gongshow Holocaust Ragnaros Breakfast Club Steamfont Mountains 0.19 November 04 2014 12:25:31 AM
Datboom Holocaust Ragnaros Breakfast Club Karnor's Castle 0.21 November 03 2014 1:52:47 PM
Topdog Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Erudin 0.24 November 02 2014 9:53:55 PM
Topdog Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Toxxulia Forest 0.20 November 02 2014 4:52:00 PM
Deluxee Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Dreadlands 0.12 November 01 2014 12:06:56 AM
Topdog Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Karnor's Castle 0.13 October 31 2014 11:02:29 PM
Krakin Ragnaros Holocaust Karnor's Castle 0.14 October 31 2014 10:18:13 PM
Quiet Holocaust Ragnaros Holocaust Karnor's Castle 0.00 October 31 2014 12:25:18 AM
Topdog Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Dreadlands 0.16 October 30 2014 7:56:33 PM
Guido Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Dreadlands 0.10 October 30 2014 1:26:00 AM
Quiet Holocaust Ragnaros Holocaust Karnor's Castle 0.00 October 30 2014 12:31:29 AM
Ilillill Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust The Overthere 0.11 October 29 2014 1:37:37 AM
Complexity Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Karnor's Castle 0.12 October 26 2014 10:04:55 PM
Elrich Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Karnor's Castle 0.14 October 26 2014 8:29:19 PM
Waspnado Holocaust Ragnaros Holocaust Erudin 0.00 October 26 2014 4:33:37 PM
Lizz Eternal Light Ragnaros Holocaust The Overthere 0.15 October 26 2014 2:25:20 PM
Duress Holocaust Ragnaros Holocaust Lake of Ill Omen 0.00 October 25 2014 4:58:22 PM
Deluxee Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Trakanon's Teeth 0.11 October 24 2014 8:34:12 PM
Stoc Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust The Emerald Jungle 0.13 October 23 2014 11:15:20 PM
Edward Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Old Sebilis 0.14 October 23 2014 10:19:59 PM
Baylen Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Dreadlands 0.15 October 22 2014 6:11:52 PM
Deluxee Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Erudin 0.02 October 22 2014 1:05:16 AM
Redd Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Erudin 0.02 October 22 2014 1:04:32 AM
Deluxee Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Erudin 0.17 October 22 2014 1:03:29 AM
Edward Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Karnor's Castle 0.19 October 21 2014 1:03:36 AM
Deluxee Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Dreadlands 0.21 October 20 2014 10:57:46 PM
Krakin Ragnaros Holocaust Karnor's Castle 0.24 October 20 2014 5:05:44 PM
Novus Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust The Overthere 0.22 October 19 2014 7:44:34 PM
Beastagor Antarctica The Polymorphess Ragnaros Holocaust Plane of Hate 0.24 October 19 2014 6:40:51 PM
Teebs Ragnaros Holocaust Trakanon's Teeth 0.27 October 18 2014 10:07:58 PM
Deluxee Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Frontier Mountains 0.19 October 18 2014 3:49:06 PM
Lite Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Erudin 0.21 October 10 2014 5:34:14 PM
Drez Holocaust Ragnaros Holocaust Chardok 0.00 October 09 2014 10:48:59 PM
Deluxee Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust The Feerrott 0.02 October 06 2014 11:41:18 PM
Chuckdusky Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust The Feerrott 0.24 October 06 2014 11:37:14 PM
Andis Fair Fighters Ragnaros Holocaust Old Sebilis 0.27 October 06 2014 5:38:48 PM
Gaanon Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust The Emerald Jungle 0.30 October 05 2014 4:01:39 PM
Dacuk Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Karnor's Castle 0.21 October 05 2014 11:35:35 AM
Fecal Antarctica The Polymorphess Ragnaros Holocaust Southern Desert of Ro 0.23 October 04 2014 1:12:14 PM
Willy Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Erudin 0.02 October 02 2014 11:06:36 PM
Deluxee Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust The Feerrott 0.02 October 02 2014 11:05:25 PM
Brainz Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust The Feerrott 0.02 October 02 2014 11:03:09 PM
Lite Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust The Feerrott 0.27 October 02 2014 11:00:32 PM
Lite Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Trakanon's Teeth 0.24 October 01 2014 4:11:48 PM
Bangan Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust The Emerald Jungle 0.27 September 30 2014 10:22:03 PM
Dazed Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Erudin 0.03 September 30 2014 9:56:11 PM
Dazed Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Toxxulia Forest 0.31 September 30 2014 9:54:14 PM
Pulz Ragnaros Holocaust Old Sebilis 0.34 September 30 2014 9:41:34 PM
Lithiuum Antarctica The Polymorphess Ragnaros Holocaust Erudin 0.38 September 29 2014 11:44:30 PM
Beastagor Antarctica The Polymorphess Ragnaros Holocaust Karnor's Castle 0.37 September 28 2014 7:18:53 PM
Akinn Holocaust Ragnaros Holocaust Dreadlands 0.00 September 28 2014 6:11:30 PM
Pixielol Prophets of Slosh Ragnaros Holocaust Lavastorm Mountains 0.41 September 28 2014 12:58:45 PM
Sheriff Holocaust Ragnaros Holocaust Erudin 0.00 September 27 2014 9:34:43 PM
Redd Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Chardok 0.43 September 26 2014 9:11:25 PM
Coat Antarctica The Polymorphess Ragnaros Holocaust Plane of Hate 0.31 September 23 2014 1:13:17 AM
Pudge Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Plane of Hate 0.35 September 22 2014 11:19:40 PM
Roberto Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Trakanon's Teeth 0.29 September 20 2014 11:09:23 PM
Xash Blaze Ragnaros Holocaust The City of Mist 0.32 September 20 2014 2:44:14 AM
Redemption Blaze Ragnaros Holocaust The City of Mist 0.36 September 20 2014 2:31:11 AM
Effexor Blaze Ragnaros Holocaust The Emerald Jungle 0.40 September 20 2014 12:46:33 AM
Smallmee Albanian Dance Floor Massacre Ragnaros Holocaust Rivervale 0.44 September 19 2014 11:38:09 PM
Ninga Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Old Sebilis 0.45 September 17 2014 11:32:17 PM
Complexity Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Rivervale 0.09 September 17 2014 1:04:12 AM
Deluxee Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Lavastorm Mountains 0.51 September 17 2014 12:54:58 AM
Ssleeve Ragnaros Holocaust Lavastorm Mountains 0.23 September 14 2014 11:54:22 PM
Adrian Ragnaros Holocaust Lavastorm Mountains 0.23 September 14 2014 4:27:00 PM
Avalonia Blaze Ragnaros Holocaust East Freeport 0.23 September 12 2014 7:10:26 PM
Sojinn Circle of Tyrants Ragnaros Lavastorm Mountains 0.22 September 09 2014 4:39:04 PM
Sifilous United Blood Nation Ragnaros The Nektulos Forest 0.24 September 09 2014 2:41:18 PM
Cappa Blaze Ragnaros The Nektulos Forest 0.27 September 09 2014 1:53:05 PM
Celtic Eternal Light Ragnaros Misty Thicket 0.02 September 08 2014 3:29:37 PM
Redemption Blaze Ragnaros Lavastorm Mountains 0.28 September 08 2014 3:26:08 PM
Bigkev Circle of Tyrants Ragnaros Lavastorm Mountains 0.30 September 07 2014 9:46:36 PM
Gimplover Ensidia Ragnaros Lavastorm Mountains 0.34 September 06 2014 5:45:17 PM
Bokke Jester Ragnaros Misty Thicket 0.25 September 03 2014 11:15:02 PM
Bokke Jester Ragnaros Smoke Break Rivervale 0.25 September 02 2014 9:14:41 PM
Akinn Holocaust Ragnaros Trolls of Norrath Rivervale 0.21 September 01 2014 3:54:01 PM
Sweyn Ragnaros Rivervale 0.20 August 31 2014 2:39:57 AM
Wizick Ragnaros Rivervale 0.16 August 31 2014 1:50:51 AM
Salaryman Ragnaros The Hole 0.18 August 30 2014 11:01:33 PM
Attention Dysorder Ragnaros Paineel 0.20 August 30 2014 9:14:50 PM
Yostos Ragnaros Ascending Dawn Rivervale 0.22 August 30 2014 1:33:59 PM
Lilipede Schadenfreude Ragnaros Ascending Dawn Rivervale 0.25 August 30 2014 12:39:33 PM
Derubael Ragnaros Ascending Dawn Misty Thicket 0.27 August 29 2014 10:07:13 PM
Kendell Heresy Ragnaros United Blood Nation Rivervale 0.30 August 27 2014 10:11:00 PM
Sirken Ragnaros United Blood Nation Kithicor Woods 0.34 August 27 2014 1:01:02 AM
Sojinn Circle of Tyrants Ragnaros United Blood Nation West Commonlands 0.38 August 26 2014 6:28:57 PM
Leges Hokuten Ragnaros United Blood Nation Greater Faydark 0.42 August 26 2014 12:11:19 AM
Peeping Ensidia Ragnaros United Blood Nation Greater Faydark 0.43 August 22 2014 8:49:01 PM
Akinn Free Agents Ragnaros United Blood Nation Misty Thicket 0.33 August 21 2014 9:48:50 PM
Miguel The Lords of Virginity Ragnaros United Blood Nation Greater Faydark 0.32 August 20 2014 2:02:14 AM
Teriyaki United Blood Nation Ragnaros United Blood Nation Steamfont Mountains 0.00 August 19 2014 7:32:22 AM
Miguel The Lords of Virginity Ragnaros United Blood Nation Northern Felwithe 0.25 August 17 2014 5:32:09 PM
Twotrainz Nihilum Ragnaros United Blood Nation The City of Mist 0.09 August 15 2014 2:49:00 PM
Beethoven Hokuten Ragnaros United Blood Nation West Freeport 0.10 August 15 2014 3:35:04 AM
Ndugu Hokuten Ragnaros United Blood Nation West Freeport 0.11 August 15 2014 2:56:49 AM
Citizenn Dark Carnival Ragnaros United Blood Nation The City of Mist 0.09 August 13 2014 3:59:54 PM
Citizenn Dark Carnival Ragnaros United Blood Nation The City of Mist 0.01 August 13 2014 3:45:44 PM
Citizenn Dark Carnival Ragnaros United Blood Nation The City of Mist 0.01 August 13 2014 3:43:57 PM
Citizenn Dark Carnival Ragnaros United Blood Nation The City of Mist 0.10 August 13 2014 3:42:38 PM
Leges Hokuten Ragnaros United Blood Nation Misty Thicket 0.11 August 12 2014 1:45:13 AM
Ilillill Hokuten Ragnaros United Blood Nation Rivervale 0.12 August 12 2014 12:07:58 AM
Emir United Blood Nation Ragnaros United Blood Nation The City of Mist 0.00 August 11 2014 10:28:09 PM
Madpsycho United Blood Nation Ragnaros United Blood Nation The City of Mist 0.00 August 10 2014 8:34:58 PM
Gangsta United Blood Nation Ragnaros United Blood Nation The City of Mist 0.00 August 10 2014 8:25:25 PM
Squalus Hokuten Ragnaros United Blood Nation The Nektulos Forest 0.04 August 09 2014 2:00:48 PM
Spina Dysorder Ragnaros United Blood Nation The Feerrott 0.04 August 08 2014 11:42:58 PM
Ipman Hokuten Ragnaros United Blood Nation Dreadlands 0.05 August 08 2014 7:57:42 PM
Kilosdeath Dysorder Ragnaros United Blood Nation Kithicor Woods 0.05 August 08 2014 5:24:40 PM
Buhbuh Ragnaros United Blood Nation Dreadlands 0.06 August 08 2014 1:57:09 AM
Girlfriend Nihilum Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 0.04 August 06 2014 7:58:15 PM
Kinson Ragnaros Lesser Faydark 0.05 August 06 2014 10:55:24 AM
Miguel The Lords of Virginity Ragnaros Greater Faydark 0.01 August 06 2014 1:11:08 AM
Mick Ragnaros Greater Faydark 0.01 August 06 2014 1:09:44 AM
Mick Ragnaros Greater Faydark 0.01 August 06 2014 1:06:26 AM
Miguel The Lords of Virginity Ragnaros Greater Faydark 0.01 August 06 2014 1:05:19 AM
Mick Ragnaros Greater Faydark 0.01 August 06 2014 1:04:38 AM
Mick Ragnaros Greater Faydark 0.01 August 06 2014 1:03:49 AM
Mick Ragnaros Greater Faydark 0.01 August 06 2014 1:02:55 AM
Lamort Nihilum Ragnaros Greater Faydark 0.06 August 06 2014 1:00:11 AM
Madpsycho Ragnaros The Nektulos Forest 0.07 August 05 2014 1:39:56 AM
Cawdor Ragnaros Nagafen's Lair 0.08 August 04 2014 8:01:00 PM
Smallmee Albanian Dance Floor Massacre Ragnaros Trakanon's Teeth 0.09 August 04 2014 1:20:38 AM
Wizick Ragnaros Greater Faydark 0.10 August 03 2014 4:31:44 PM
Simcity Ragnaros Hokuten Northern Desert of Ro 0.05 July 31 2014 4:08:52 AM
Dickory Ragnaros Hokuten Nagafen's Lair 0.06 July 29 2014 12:38:25 AM
Dreganomics Ragnaros Hokuten Nagafen's Lair 0.06 July 29 2014 12:25:26 AM
Dubee Flowers of Happiness Ragnaros Hokuten Guk 0.07 July 28 2014 10:02:00 PM
Megasoreass Ragnaros Hokuten Castle Mistmoore 0.08 July 28 2014 12:48:37 AM
Ozoden Ragnaros Hokuten Castle Mistmoore 0.09 July 28 2014 12:03:24 AM
Gynosquire Ragnaros Hokuten Castle Mistmoore 0.08 July 27 2014 12:36:46 PM
Gynosquire Ragnaros Hokuten Castle Mistmoore 0.09 July 27 2014 12:20:43 PM
Kinson Ragnaros Hokuten Castle Mistmoore 0.10 July 27 2014 12:07:24 PM
Pimpstress Ragnaros Hokuten Greater Faydark 0.01 July 27 2014 1:13:01 AM
Sugarcaiine Ragnaros Hokuten Greater Faydark 0.11 July 27 2014 1:08:20 AM
Sugarcaiine Ragnaros Hokuten Castle Mistmoore 0.13 July 27 2014 12:30:55 AM
Megasoreass Ragnaros Hokuten Lesser Faydark 0.14 July 26 2014 3:36:05 PM
Guru Ragnaros Hokuten Castle Mistmoore 0.16 July 26 2014 3:10:37 PM
Walkingdead Ragnaros Hokuten Lesser Faydark 0.18 July 26 2014 1:42:27 AM
Megasoreass Ragnaros Hokuten Lesser Faydark 0.20 July 26 2014 1:13:03 AM
Tilt Ragnaros Castle Mistmoore 0.22 July 25 2014 8:11:29 PM
Scorpion Ragnaros Castle Mistmoore 0.13 July 24 2014 5:19:26 AM
Megasoreass Ragnaros Castle Mistmoore 0.15 July 23 2014 11:51:37 PM
Silvers Knights Templar Ragnaros Lesser Faydark 0.17 July 23 2014 11:34:21 PM
Hehe Ragnaros Castle Mistmoore 0.19 July 23 2014 9:41:16 PM
Utaldar Ragnaros Castle Mistmoore 0.21 July 23 2014 8:48:54 PM
Attention Dysorder Ragnaros Castle Mistmoore 0.23 July 23 2014 8:32:24 PM
Ozoden Ragnaros Castle Mistmoore 0.26 July 23 2014 5:10:59 PM
Ozoden Ragnaros Castle Mistmoore 0.28 July 23 2014 2:34:48 PM
Ozoden Ragnaros Castle Mistmoore 0.31 July 23 2014 1:50:49 PM
Soulless Ragnaros Lesser Faydark 0.32 July 22 2014 10:39:22 PM
Mrbigs Unrest County Police Ragnaros Estate of Unrest 0.36 July 22 2014 2:45:37 PM
Bangbus Ragnaros Estate of Unrest 0.40 July 22 2014 2:14:36 PM
Vasectomy Ragnaros Greater Faydark 0.04 July 21 2014 6:04:36 PM
Vasectomy Ragnaros Greater Faydark 0.45 July 21 2014 6:02:51 PM
Mothernature Ragnaros Greater Faydark 0.05 July 21 2014 5:25:19 PM
Wtbwizard Ragnaros Crushbone 0.50 July 21 2014 5:20:43 PM

[Akalakamelee]

The core members of fresh are pretty decent guys. real good folks to do what they do.

[Doors]

Great post by cyren, basically hit the nail on the head. Rag you weren't around during Nihilum days bro.

[Steel Warrior]

Great post by cyren, basically hit the nail on the head. Rag you weren't around during Nihilum days bro.

Looks like he started on July 21, 2014, and immediately died four times.

[Slowride]

Hey, I can respect that. Most holo I don't like. Met one tonight that was cool. Had my run in with you which is fine. Maybe we got off on a bad note, outside of being mad you might be level headed. Gonna put your name in the pending cool currently ok hat. Let's see where it goes, happy eq red pal.

Sure man, see ya around.
Oh and I also wanted to mention. On VZ guild leaders held there guild members accountable for acting like an asshat in /shout /ooc. Even tho it was not global like it is here. That may of been why the overall atmosphere was better. Who knows, I think modern day gameing has been destroyed by this new culture that was created around the time call of duty went live on Xbox and PS.. There are some really cool games out there I will not even touch(MOBAS for example) just because the community is so freaking bad.

[nixar]

Members get Banned for what guild leaders do free seximo! kinda the other way around.

[Akalakamelee]

Sure man, see ya around.
Oh and I also wanted to mention. On VZ guild leaders held there guild members accountable for acting like an asshat in /shout /ooc. Even tho it was not global like it is here. That may of been why the overall atmosphere was better. Who knows, I think modern day gameing has been destroyed by this new culture that was created around the time call of duty went live on Xbox and PS.. There are some really cool games out there I will not even touch(MOBAS for example) just because the community is so freaking bad.

Call of duty lobbies are far worse then anything this server could even think of. It's fun simply beating them listening to them rage and then asking if they are mad to re ignite the fire. Lol

[Rekrul]

Call of duty lobbies are far worse then anything this server could even think of. It's fun simply beating them listening to them rage and then asking if they are mad to re ignite the fire. Lol

cod rage is the best and most consistent rage experience

[Dacuk]

troubling levels of immersion here folks

[Barladore]

lots of lol's in this thread

[MavstabYoudead]

There was no raid mob up, the EXP grp had nothing to do with PVP and was OOR to 60, and you CC"d a random dude to fuck with him and be dicks.

I'm cool with that I got a good chuckle, but stop crying?

you guys tried to cc us and make us call guild LnS after sirken DT'd us in hate. get off your soapbox.

[MavstabYoudead]

Still that elitist BS I see.

The best recruit possible for Azrael is one that is lvl 60 and fully BiS. One that Azrael isn't forced to help equip.

People in Azrael don't want to help equip their guildies. They want to only equip themselves.

ya erock/gossip, detares, khomodo, reebz, gloin, victarion, etc etc etc all would disagree with you. we have daily exp groups set up where the level 60s help the non 60s level, ask what camps they need for gear, gems, etc.

pikrib you are so biased and delusional it's not even funny anymore.

[MavstabYoudead]

I RMT'd by monk (bubs) and a t-staff for $400 towards rent.

Holo crootin'

[MavstabYoudead]

Looks like he started on July 21, 2014, and immediately died four times.

you do know that leaderboard doesn't go back to the beginning of this server, right? also people have alts that become mains at some point? is it safe to say ragnaros has been around much longer than you have?

[Buhbuh]

the 'ole quadra-post

[MavstabYoudead]

22 pages to read through bro. entertaining to say the least some of the fantasy some of you guys write.

rent due soon?

[Ragnaros]

You've been attacking me since I was level 56, but somehow never managed to kill me.

Why is that?

Also, how did you manage to die more than 200 times more than me? This is despite the fact that you plug constantly, including six times in Lavastorm yesterday.

Since I hit 60, I've died twice in January and once in February.

If you want to talk shit to me, maybe you better learn to stop being a total punching bag.

Dumber than Ragnaros.

Versace Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Nagafen's Lair 1.24 February 04 2015 4:00:35 PM
Madude Ragnaros Azrael Steamfont Mountains 1.24 January 31 2015 3:40:35 PM
Pierre Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Plane of Hate 1.25 January 29 2015 4:17:34 PM
Helenkeller Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Karnor's Castle 1.05 January 27 2015 7:34:22 PM
Brennard Azrael Ragnaros Azrael Field of Bone 0.00 January 27 2015 2:51:20 AM
Brennard Azrael Ragnaros Azrael Field of Bone 0.00 January 27 2015 2:17:11 AM
Guido Azrael Ragnaros Azrael Plane of Hate 0.00 January 26 2015 11:55:48 PM
Aviato Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Steamfont Mountains 0.00 January 24 2015 12:40:48 AM
Weta Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Steamfont Mountains 0.00 January 23 2015 11:54:54 PM
Sirken Ragnaros Azrael Steamfont Mountains 0.00 January 23 2015 11:34:03 PM
Nakor Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Karnor's Castle 1.02 January 23 2015 4:04:37 PM
Gongshow Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Karnor's Castle 1.13 January 23 2015 2:02:25 PM
Mornin Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Dreadlands 1.19 January 18 2015 2:39:03 PM
Razzo Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Lavastorm Mountains 1.32 January 17 2015 10:44:43 PM
Kammbo Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Dreadlands 1.39 January 17 2015 9:00:04 PM
Strange Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael The Nektulos Forest 0.94 January 13 2015 11:21:39 PM
Demote Fresh Ragnaros Azrael Karnor's Castle 0.93 January 13 2015 7:54:40 PM
Mornin Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Karnor's Castle 0.96 December 31 2014 4:28:43 PM
Fatality Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Karnor's Castle 1.06 December 31 2014 3:05:28 AM
Letsjoe Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Firiona Vie 0.11 December 30 2014 11:48:48 PM
Elemtal Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Karnor's Castle 1.19 December 30 2014 11:43:54 PM
Quiet Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Firiona Vie 1.30 December 30 2014 1:16:06 AM
Chuckdusky Azrael Ragnaros Azrael Veeshan's Peak 0.00 December 29 2014 11:17:54 PM
Sirken Ragnaros Azrael Veeshan's Peak 0.00 December 29 2014 10:36:51 PM
Kairan Fresh Ragnaros Azrael The Emerald Jungle 0.69 December 23 2014 9:58:52 PM
Weta Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Old Sebilis 0.62 December 22 2014 10:54:49 PM
Gream Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Dreadlands 0.55 December 22 2014 5:23:53 PM
Mornin Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Nagafen's Lair 0.52 December 21 2014 8:26:35 PM
Strange Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Nagafen's Lair 0.52 December 21 2014 1:16:57 PM
Vanco Holocaust Ragnaros Azrael Nagafen's Lair 0.57 December 21 2014 11:13:00 AM
Slumlord Holocaust Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 0.58 December 20 2014 6:16:26 PM
Datboom Holocaust Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 0.65 December 20 2014 5:58:57 PM
Curious Holocaust Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 0.72 December 20 2014 3:58:20 PM
Datboom Holocaust Ragnaros Dreadlands 0.76 December 20 2014 3:05:16 PM
Kecleon Azrael Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 0.84 December 20 2014 2:24:30 PM
Slumlord Holocaust Ragnaros Dreadlands 0.87 December 15 2014 10:37:42 PM
Kammbo Holocaust Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 0.92 December 15 2014 1:59:00 AM
Colgate Holocaust Ragnaros Dreadlands 0.92 December 14 2014 7:41:43 PM
Strange Holocaust Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 1.03 December 14 2014 2:37:16 PM
Flipp Holocaust Ragnaros Frontier Mountains 1.07 December 14 2014 2:32:11 AM
Brobby God's Work Ragnaros Old Sebilis 0.95 December 13 2014 3:51:38 PM
Gaanon God's Work Ragnaros Old Sebilis 1.03 December 13 2014 1:34:34 PM
Chuckdusky God's Work Ragnaros God's Work Karnor's Castle 0.00 December 08 2014 8:13:45 PM
Bangan Azrael Ragnaros God's Work Karnor's Castle 1.06 December 08 2014 2:13:43 AM
Bangan Azrael Ragnaros God's Work Karnor's Castle 1.16 December 07 2014 4:08:06 AM
Burgerking Holocaust Ragnaros God's Work Dreadlands 1.10 December 06 2014 3:11:37 PM
Myopic Holocaust Ragnaros God's Work Karnor's Castle 1.04 December 04 2014 3:11:40 AM
Croup Holocaust Ragnaros God's Work The Overthere 1.15 December 04 2014 12:04:52 AM
Gongshow Holocaust Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 1.27 November 30 2014 9:41:47 PM
Versace Holocaust Ragnaros Frontier Mountains 1.21 November 30 2014 3:47:54 PM
Loudog Ragnaros God's Work The Overthere 0.67 November 26 2014 9:03:09 PM
Loudog Ragnaros God's Work Dreadlands 0.45 November 26 2014 12:14:50 PM
Godwin Eternal Light Ragnaros God's Work The Nektulos Forest 0.44 November 25 2014 9:52:56 PM
Fungkwaq Holocaust Ragnaros God's Work Rivervale 1.17 November 21 2014 6:09:14 PM
Rutroh Holocaust Ragnaros God's Work Frontier Mountains 1.27 November 20 2014 5:39:50 PM
Cappa Holocaust Ragnaros The Mighty Ducks Dreadlands 0.38 November 18 2014 7:18:51 PM
Trypp Azrael Ragnaros The Mighty Ducks Rivervale 0.36 November 17 2014 1:27:17 AM
Ilillill Azrael Ragnaros The Mighty Ducks Dreadlands 0.37 November 16 2014 10:14:55 PM
Mirkuls God's Work Ragnaros Rap Game Bill Cosby Dreadlands 0.36 November 15 2014 7:09:09 PM
Denz Azrael Ragnaros Rap Game Bill Cosby Chardok 0.19 November 09 2014 11:21:51 PM
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Eddard Holocaust Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 0.02 November 09 2014 12:43:02 PM
Vanco Holocaust Ragnaros Dreadlands 0.02 November 09 2014 12:37:49 PM
Gream Holocaust Ragnaros Dreadlands 0.25 November 09 2014 12:36:19 PM
Sachee God's Work Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 0.25 November 09 2014 2:14:38 AM
Grinch God's Work Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 0.12 November 08 2014 1:42:28 PM
Aikido Holocaust Ragnaros Dreadlands 0.13 November 08 2014 12:57:26 PM
Tudamil God's Work Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 0.15 November 07 2014 9:33:24 PM
Mornin Holocaust Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 0.16 November 07 2014 8:39:25 PM
Kecleon Holocaust Ragnaros Dreadlands 0.18 November 07 2014 3:44:58 PM
Helenkeller Holocaust Ragnaros Dreadlands 0.22 November 07 2014 1:39:49 AM
Kammbo Holocaust Ragnaros Dreadlands 0.15 November 06 2014 11:24:56 PM
Strange Holocaust Ragnaros West Commonlands 0.17 November 06 2014 9:19:34 PM
Mordeath Azrael Ragnaros Rathe Mountains 0.19 November 06 2014 7:16:08 PM
Scotia Azrael Ragnaros Breakfast Club Dreadlands 0.16 November 04 2014 11:01:45 AM
Kammbo Holocaust Ragnaros Breakfast Club Karnor's Castle 0.17 November 04 2014 10:36:32 AM
Gongshow Holocaust Ragnaros Breakfast Club Steamfont Mountains 0.19 November 04 2014 12:25:31 AM
Datboom Holocaust Ragnaros Breakfast Club Karnor's Castle 0.21 November 03 2014 1:52:47 PM
Topdog Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Erudin 0.24 November 02 2014 9:53:55 PM
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Deluxee Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Dreadlands 0.12 November 01 2014 12:06:56 AM
Topdog Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Karnor's Castle 0.13 October 31 2014 11:02:29 PM
Krakin Ragnaros Holocaust Karnor's Castle 0.14 October 31 2014 10:18:13 PM
Quiet Holocaust Ragnaros Holocaust Karnor's Castle 0.00 October 31 2014 12:25:18 AM
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Guido Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Dreadlands 0.10 October 30 2014 1:26:00 AM
Quiet Holocaust Ragnaros Holocaust Karnor's Castle 0.00 October 30 2014 12:31:29 AM
Ilillill Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust The Overthere 0.11 October 29 2014 1:37:37 AM
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Elrich Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Karnor's Castle 0.14 October 26 2014 8:29:19 PM
Waspnado Holocaust Ragnaros Holocaust Erudin 0.00 October 26 2014 4:33:37 PM
Lizz Eternal Light Ragnaros Holocaust The Overthere 0.15 October 26 2014 2:25:20 PM
Duress Holocaust Ragnaros Holocaust Lake of Ill Omen 0.00 October 25 2014 4:58:22 PM
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Baylen Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Dreadlands 0.15 October 22 2014 6:11:52 PM
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Redd Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Erudin 0.02 October 22 2014 1:04:32 AM
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Krakin Ragnaros Holocaust Karnor's Castle 0.24 October 20 2014 5:05:44 PM
Novus Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust The Overthere 0.22 October 19 2014 7:44:34 PM
Beastagor Antarctica The Polymorphess Ragnaros Holocaust Plane of Hate 0.24 October 19 2014 6:40:51 PM
Teebs Ragnaros Holocaust Trakanon's Teeth 0.27 October 18 2014 10:07:58 PM
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Lite Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Erudin 0.21 October 10 2014 5:34:14 PM
Drez Holocaust Ragnaros Holocaust Chardok 0.00 October 09 2014 10:48:59 PM
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Andis Fair Fighters Ragnaros Holocaust Old Sebilis 0.27 October 06 2014 5:38:48 PM
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Willy Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Erudin 0.02 October 02 2014 11:06:36 PM
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Lite Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust The Feerrott 0.27 October 02 2014 11:00:32 PM
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Dazed Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Erudin 0.03 September 30 2014 9:56:11 PM
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Pulz Ragnaros Holocaust Old Sebilis 0.34 September 30 2014 9:41:34 PM
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Akinn Holocaust Ragnaros Holocaust Dreadlands 0.00 September 28 2014 6:11:30 PM
Pixielol Prophets of Slosh Ragnaros Holocaust Lavastorm Mountains 0.41 September 28 2014 12:58:45 PM
Sheriff Holocaust Ragnaros Holocaust Erudin 0.00 September 27 2014 9:34:43 PM
Redd Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Chardok 0.43 September 26 2014 9:11:25 PM
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Pudge Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Plane of Hate 0.35 September 22 2014 11:19:40 PM
Roberto Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Trakanon's Teeth 0.29 September 20 2014 11:09:23 PM
Xash Blaze Ragnaros Holocaust The City of Mist 0.32 September 20 2014 2:44:14 AM
Redemption Blaze Ragnaros Holocaust The City of Mist 0.36 September 20 2014 2:31:11 AM
Effexor Blaze Ragnaros Holocaust The Emerald Jungle 0.40 September 20 2014 12:46:33 AM
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Ninga Azrael Ragnaros Holocaust Old Sebilis 0.45 September 17 2014 11:32:17 PM
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Ssleeve Ragnaros Holocaust Lavastorm Mountains 0.23 September 14 2014 11:54:22 PM
Adrian Ragnaros Holocaust Lavastorm Mountains 0.23 September 14 2014 4:27:00 PM
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Sojinn Circle of Tyrants Ragnaros Lavastorm Mountains 0.22 September 09 2014 4:39:04 PM
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Cappa Blaze Ragnaros The Nektulos Forest 0.27 September 09 2014 1:53:05 PM
Celtic Eternal Light Ragnaros Misty Thicket 0.02 September 08 2014 3:29:37 PM
Redemption Blaze Ragnaros Lavastorm Mountains 0.28 September 08 2014 3:26:08 PM
Bigkev Circle of Tyrants Ragnaros Lavastorm Mountains 0.30 September 07 2014 9:46:36 PM
Gimplover Ensidia Ragnaros Lavastorm Mountains 0.34 September 06 2014 5:45:17 PM
Bokke Jester Ragnaros Misty Thicket 0.25 September 03 2014 11:15:02 PM
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Akinn Holocaust Ragnaros Trolls of Norrath Rivervale 0.21 September 01 2014 3:54:01 PM
Sweyn Ragnaros Rivervale 0.20 August 31 2014 2:39:57 AM
Wizick Ragnaros Rivervale 0.16 August 31 2014 1:50:51 AM
Salaryman Ragnaros The Hole 0.18 August 30 2014 11:01:33 PM
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Yostos Ragnaros Ascending Dawn Rivervale 0.22 August 30 2014 1:33:59 PM
Lilipede Schadenfreude Ragnaros Ascending Dawn Rivervale 0.25 August 30 2014 12:39:33 PM
Derubael Ragnaros Ascending Dawn Misty Thicket 0.27 August 29 2014 10:07:13 PM
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Sirken Ragnaros United Blood Nation Kithicor Woods 0.34 August 27 2014 1:01:02 AM
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Leges Hokuten Ragnaros United Blood Nation Greater Faydark 0.42 August 26 2014 12:11:19 AM
Peeping Ensidia Ragnaros United Blood Nation Greater Faydark 0.43 August 22 2014 8:49:01 PM
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Miguel The Lords of Virginity Ragnaros United Blood Nation Greater Faydark 0.32 August 20 2014 2:02:14 AM
Teriyaki United Blood Nation Ragnaros United Blood Nation Steamfont Mountains 0.00 August 19 2014 7:32:22 AM
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Twotrainz Nihilum Ragnaros United Blood Nation The City of Mist 0.09 August 15 2014 2:49:00 PM
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Ndugu Hokuten Ragnaros United Blood Nation West Freeport 0.11 August 15 2014 2:56:49 AM
Citizenn Dark Carnival Ragnaros United Blood Nation The City of Mist 0.09 August 13 2014 3:59:54 PM
Citizenn Dark Carnival Ragnaros United Blood Nation The City of Mist 0.01 August 13 2014 3:45:44 PM
Citizenn Dark Carnival Ragnaros United Blood Nation The City of Mist 0.01 August 13 2014 3:43:57 PM
Citizenn Dark Carnival Ragnaros United Blood Nation The City of Mist 0.10 August 13 2014 3:42:38 PM
Leges Hokuten Ragnaros United Blood Nation Misty Thicket 0.11 August 12 2014 1:45:13 AM
Ilillill Hokuten Ragnaros United Blood Nation Rivervale 0.12 August 12 2014 12:07:58 AM
Emir United Blood Nation Ragnaros United Blood Nation The City of Mist 0.00 August 11 2014 10:28:09 PM
Madpsycho United Blood Nation Ragnaros United Blood Nation The City of Mist 0.00 August 10 2014 8:34:58 PM
Gangsta United Blood Nation Ragnaros United Blood Nation The City of Mist 0.00 August 10 2014 8:25:25 PM
Squalus Hokuten Ragnaros United Blood Nation The Nektulos Forest 0.04 August 09 2014 2:00:48 PM
Spina Dysorder Ragnaros United Blood Nation The Feerrott 0.04 August 08 2014 11:42:58 PM
Ipman Hokuten Ragnaros United Blood Nation Dreadlands 0.05 August 08 2014 7:57:42 PM
Kilosdeath Dysorder Ragnaros United Blood Nation Kithicor Woods 0.05 August 08 2014 5:24:40 PM
Buhbuh Ragnaros United Blood Nation Dreadlands 0.06 August 08 2014 1:57:09 AM
Girlfriend Nihilum Ragnaros Karnor's Castle 0.04 August 06 2014 7:58:15 PM
Kinson Ragnaros Lesser Faydark 0.05 August 06 2014 10:55:24 AM
Miguel The Lords of Virginity Ragnaros Greater Faydark 0.01 August 06 2014 1:11:08 AM
Mick Ragnaros Greater Faydark 0.01 August 06 2014 1:09:44 AM
Mick Ragnaros Greater Faydark 0.01 August 06 2014 1:06:26 AM
Miguel The Lords of Virginity Ragnaros Greater Faydark 0.01 August 06 2014 1:05:19 AM
Mick Ragnaros Greater Faydark 0.01 August 06 2014 1:04:38 AM
Mick Ragnaros Greater Faydark 0.01 August 06 2014 1:03:49 AM
Mick Ragnaros Greater Faydark 0.01 August 06 2014 1:02:55 AM
Lamort Nihilum Ragnaros Greater Faydark 0.06 August 06 2014 1:00:11 AM
Madpsycho Ragnaros The Nektulos Forest 0.07 August 05 2014 1:39:56 AM
Cawdor Ragnaros Nagafen's Lair 0.08 August 04 2014 8:01:00 PM
Smallmee Albanian Dance Floor Massacre Ragnaros Trakanon's Teeth 0.09 August 04 2014 1:20:38 AM
Wizick Ragnaros Greater Faydark 0.10 August 03 2014 4:31:44 PM
Simcity Ragnaros Hokuten Northern Desert of Ro 0.05 July 31 2014 4:08:52 AM
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Dreganomics Ragnaros Hokuten Nagafen's Lair 0.06 July 29 2014 12:25:26 AM
Dubee Flowers of Happiness Ragnaros Hokuten Guk 0.07 July 28 2014 10:02:00 PM
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Kinson Ragnaros Hokuten Castle Mistmoore 0.10 July 27 2014 12:07:24 PM
Pimpstress Ragnaros Hokuten Greater Faydark 0.01 July 27 2014 1:13:01 AM
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Hehe Ragnaros Castle Mistmoore 0.19 July 23 2014 9:41:16 PM
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Mothernature Ragnaros Greater Faydark 0.05 July 21 2014 5:25:19 PM
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You must be pretty damn bad if your ratio and rank is worse then mine even with my 200 deaths, get good baddie. Stick to auto attacking mobs

[VictomEyez]

sirken you are a good dude, and despite anything i say here you are the only staff member i respect

the future of red could be really good, and as sad as it is to agree with lite, variance is required in everquest

its required, if its not in, i wont play here.

The best part of the game is when a spawn pops up and you scramble to kill it, knowing a boss is going to spawn at 7 means the zerg will be there waiting

aka dead server.

Lite had no problem with timers when he had them on lock..now that he doesnt have the mobs on lock he wants variance..big boo hoo

[MavstabYoudead]

pretty sure it's been pointed out that az never locked down every mob and left targets up, which other guilds could have gone after.

NEXT

[krazyGlue]

Lite had no problem with timers when he had them on lock..now that he doesnt have the mobs on lock he wants variance..big boo hoo

Also when we had the server . We promoted variance and made a few threads trying to get the ball rolling

[Ragnaros]

0.21 ratio rank 4500 i might add...jesus christ

[Nirgon]

your fucking hilarious if you think holocaust has anything to do with the pop being 300, it was already rising, your just killing it by squeezing any chance out of competition out of the server, theres literally nothing your doing that nihilum didn't do besides recruiting MORE THEN NIHILUM

We're raising the population a lot

Deal with it

[MavstabYoudead]

you aren't raising the population. blue's broken raid scene and the exp here is raising the population.

[Nirgon]

you aren't raising the population.

yes we are, people come here specifically to join us.

end of argument, stop posting etc.

[MavstabYoudead]

plenty of people come here that don't join holo, end of argument, stop posting, etc.

[Nirgon]

No one comes here to join Azrael

[Ragnaros]

Holocaust has literally done nothing for server population, if anything they are killing it. Fresh on the otherjand has played a decent role in the growth.

[MavstabYoudead]

yet we have new recruits, so again end of argument, stop posting, etc.

people that like to pvp and want to play with other good players will always have a home in azrael.

[Gitem]

For awhile it was believed Nizzar was too good, and unbeatable.

Now I just think no one wants to be on Azraels side, and Lite will try to alienate anyone who tries to step up and help out the "resistance" which makes people just end up in Holo.

Either selfish or incompetent, u decide - equally bad.

it took Sektor to rat on Nizzar and then the rest of nihilum to turn on Nizzar to finally have the gms get involved and dissolve nihilum. so you're saying that we have to prove that holocaust leadership is a bunch of cheaters and rmters?

go make another thread about how we have to change the game's code to suit your needs of the month.

[Nirgon]

Do you know how hard it is to get your numbers up in Azrael?

Be in the same zone as players and guild invite them.

Oh man, what a complex task. Fresh has no problem doing it. Azrael? Hm.

Maybe someone will do it for you? I dunno I'll make a lvl 1 and you can tag it, give officer and I'll get you 20-30 people. I'm not getting them epics for you though. Gotta put your big boy pants on and HELP NEW PLAYERS.

Holocaust makes this server huge and gears out otherwise bronze/advisor robe rags geared players... like me!

[Ragnaros]

God`s Work could of made a run to the top if Vaporize and co. played and led still, unfortunatley after losing a contested innoruuk to 10 people Holocaust and company.resorted to irl personal attacks and mass petitioning causing them to leave

[heartbrand]

At the end of the day most people came to red99 for huge zone sprawling pvp fights of 100+ players. Azrael has helped kill this dream by artificially keeping their guild numbers down, while at the same time attempting to sabatoge others who seek to build guilds to do so. The reason you don't see huge pvp battles is almost completely on azrael. End of thread thanks.

[Nirgon]

Sorry your guild leader refuses to use the guild invite command like we did.

Who would have thought it would do things like grow the server and population?

[MavstabYoudead]

Do you know how hard it is to get your numbers up in Azrael?

Be in the same zone as players and guild invite them.

Oh man, what a complex task. Fresh has no problem doing it. Azrael? Hm.

Maybe someone will do it for you? I dunno I'll make a lvl 1 and you can tag it, give officer and I'll get you 20-30 people. I'm not getting them epics for you though. Gotta put your big boy pants on and HELP NEW PLAYERS.

we don't want people that expect a free ride. that's what holocaust is there for. lol at anyone taking you seriously literally did nothing on this server until you could find a zerg to ride to the top and you are still awful.

[heartbrand]

I have played this server since it came out. I have seen mavstab in game twice. Take that for what it's worth.

[MavstabYoudead]

I still remember you chasing me down into the water in seb when the fight was going on at seb zone in after you soul fired yourself twice while you were in nihilum. Obviously delusional and stupid.

[Ragnaros]

Stop harrassing competition with irl attacks and mass petitioning and you might get more up and coming guilds

[Nirgon]

Use the guild invite command, be nice to people and help them with things they can't solo

Maybe if they aren't sure what to do, help them with that too

That's literally how we won the raid scene and benefited the entire server

[MavstabYoudead]

Honestly didn't even know he was his own driver and I was in Az for a year, always thought it was like a Brennard type Lite access toon.

Where do these guys come from.

yup that's why you were sending me tells non stop while we were in GW. QQQQQQQQQ

[MavstabYoudead]

because I know how to get stuff done and you don't?

[Ragnaros]

Honestly both sides have major faults and flaws, instead of pointing fingers, fix your side of problems

[MavstabYoudead]

ya me and brobb joined for a short period before vapo disappeared and you tucked tail and ran.

[MavstabYoudead]

remember when you weren't a tool? nope I can't either.

[Ragnaros]

Stasis is a good guy and i had some fun momments with him leading charges in mid scale pvp, sniping a trakanon, i just wish he was consistent with his behavior, why not start a guild?

[MavstabYoudead]

again yet you sent me multiple tells daily while in GW. something not adding up. also didn't know someone that was an officer in az while he was in az. can't make this shit up...

[MavstabYoudead]

About what Mav I honestly have no idea why I would need to msg you, I didn't realize u were in GW till just now.

because with vapo gone me and brobb were the only thing holding GW together. you have a very selective memory so I can see how you would fit in with the mindless zerg.

[Ragnaros]

I refuse to take my meds, *shrug. I just wonder what Gods Work could of been...

[Sektor]

jesus stasis triple rage post

[Ragnaros]

One day God`s Work might make an appearance again, who knows (:

[Doors]

Someone go quote Lite when he told us to recruit and contest back when he was winning for two weeks. Thanks.

[MavstabYoudead]

too busy watching his sig. glorious.

[Gitem]

Someone go quote Lite when he told us to recruit and contest back when he was winning for two weeks. Thanks.

you had like 12 people back then... now you have upwards of 900 members. I'm sure lite meant for holocaust to go against their own guild statement and recruit 2/3 of the server and basically kill off any guild that doesn't agree with them.

[krazyGlue]

Colgate lieing and spewing bullshkt on the forums again ? Naw he would never do that

[Pikrib]

Colgate lieing and spewing bullshkt on the forums again ? Naw he would never do that

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164929&highlight=recruit+contest

:D

[gobletsmashing]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164929&highlight=recruit+contest

:D

Nice bait and switch there

[krazyGlue]

Colgate says him self to keep raids at about 30 . At no point did azrael have more then 35 . Post a ss if you think I'm wrong don't try and pull the oh you let 3 other guilds raid with you so you have more then 35.

[heartbrand]

Colgate says him self to keep raids at about 30 . At no point did azrael have more then 35 . Post a ss if you think I'm wrong don't try and pull the oh you let 3 other guilds raid with you so you have more then 35.

So Salem isn't considered part of your guild then? Wut? Who gives a fuck dude, the more people, the more fun the pvp, go recruit and stop the QQ.

[MavstabYoudead]

don't want to bring 50-60 people to kill stuff that your spokesperson claims can be killed with 4 groups or less. have fun.

[Pikrib]

Colgate says him self to keep raids at about 30 . At no point did azrael have more then 35 . Post a ss if you think I'm wrong don't try and pull the oh you let 3 other guilds raid with you so you have more then 35.

We basically told Colgate to fuck off and go recruit and contest.

I think the most I remember having was low 40s that was awhile ago though. Shortly after having 40ish Barcode removed everyone not lvl 60 to Ensidia to reduce numbers. Then Nihilum came back from the D3 break and mopped us up.

[krazyGlue]

We basically told Colgate to fuck off and go recruit and contest.

I think the most I remember having was low 40s that was awhile ago though. Shortly after having 40ish Barcode removed everyone not lvl 60 to Ensidia to reduce numbers. Then Nihilum came back from the D3 break and mopped us up.

We are talking about when nihilum got disbanded . That's when Colgate posted that . Ensidia was long gone and was a alt guild . Not a feeder guild big difference

[MavstabYoudead]

recruit and contest up to a decent number (30 as indicated by colgate) turned into recruit half the server. if every guild had an active roster of no more than 50ish members this server could be interesting.

[quido]

I think it's funny Azrael pretends that they choose not to recruit when in fact they just do a shitty job of it and have serious turnover due to ghosting and people jumping ship. Azrael would love to have 50 people but they can't.

[Pikrib]

don't want to bring 50-60 people to kill stuff that your spokesperson claims can be killed with 4 groups or less.

Then stop crying about zergs maybe?

have fun.

We will, thanks.

[Steel Warrior]

Mavstab has literally no idea how an EQ guild works. He thinks that every active member shows up for raids daily.

[MavstabYoudead]

active roster of 50ish should result in being able to muster up the 4 groups colgate said could kill every encounter in this game currently. I have done this much longer than you pal.

NEXT

[MavstabYoudead]

Then stop crying about zergs maybe?



We will, thanks.

calling a duck a duck isn't crying.

great enjoy it.

[Steel Warrior]

active roster of 50ish should result in being able to muster up the 4 groups colgate said could kill every encounter in this game currently. I have done this much longer than you pal.

NEXT

You say that with confidence as if you know how long I've played, but of course you don't. Your guild seems to think that saying next makes you somehow correct, but the rest of the server just thinks you're stupid.

[Steel Warrior]

calling a duck a duck isn't crying.

great enjoy it.

Oh, we do. I'm currently enjoying my brand new rile.

[MavstabYoudead]

I say that with confidence because I know it to be true. Could care less what idiots like you think about me lol.

I can tell by you failing on the blue server and having to run over here that you don't know wtf you are talking about. Also as is evidence by your play over here you are not someone that should be talking about what it takes to run a successful guild or how to play.

steel warrior not even worth a further response.

NEXT

[gobletsmashing]

Then stop crying about zergs maybe?

Sorry to keep bringing this up - but the lead GM has recognized / acknowledged / brought to light the fact that 'the Zerg' is now harming the server. Nobody is crying about it. It's being recognized as fact.

[Steel Warrior]

I say that with confidence because I know it to be true. Could care less what idiots like you think about me lol.

I can tell by you failing on the blue server and having to run over here that you don't know wtf you are talking about. Also as is evidence by your play over here you are not someone that should be talking about what it takes to run a successful guild or how to play.

steel warrior not even worth a further response.

NEXT

Please keep saying next. It helps everyone know exactly your intelligence level.

You have absolutely no idea what I did or didn't do on blue or live or if I even played on blue or live at all. Literally none.

[Steel Warrior]

Sorry to keep bringing this up - but the lead GM has recognized / acknowledged / brought to light the fact that 'the Zerg' is now harming the server. Nobody is crying about it. It's being recognized as fact.

Sirken is certainly entitled to his opinion. We respectfully disagree with him and continue to welcome new players into the guild. We also continue to raid with 40-60, though the names change from raid to raid.

[krazyGlue]

I think it's funny Azrael pretends that they choose not to recruit when in fact they just do a shitty job of it and have serious turnover due to ghosting and people jumping ship. Azrael would love to have 50 people but they can't.

I could spam invite . It's not hard , after talking with people that are intrested in azrael I either welcome them into our ts. or send them to fresh or holo . ( sorry exed never sent them your way) Azrael is not about warm bodies and we
Pride our selves on that .

[quido]

That's not even really true though, Sickpuppy - you have tons of warm bodies. They're just the people that disappear at the first sign of a struggle and turn your 40 people into 20-25.

[Steel Warrior]

I could spam invite . It's not hard , after talking with people that are intrested in azrael I either welcome them into our ts. or send them to fresh or holo . ( sorry exed never sent them your way) Azrael is not about warm bodies and we
Pride our selves on that .

Then pride yourselves on never being part of a 50v50 and stop whining for rules changes so you can kill raid mobs uncontested.

[MavstabYoudead]

Please keep saying next. It helps everyone know exactly your intelligence level.

You have absolutely no idea what I did or didn't do on blue or live or if I even played on blue or live at all. Literally none.

EQ Resume GOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Duckwalk]

we don't want people that expect a free ride. that's what holocaust is there for. lol at anyone taking you seriously literally did nothing on this server until you could find a zerg to ride to the top and you are still awful.

I think you have it backwards, thinking fully geared experienced guild members will magically appear in your ranks without any effort on your part.

[MavstabYoudead]

I think you have it backwards, thinking fully geared experienced guild members will magically appear in your ranks without any effort on your part.

not sure how you got that from what I typed. if you expect to just show up at raids and hit a few buttons and loaf around without paying attention azrael isn't for you. if you show up, listen, contribute value then you'll be welcomed without a doubt. clear?