View Full Version : Sell Manastone or not?
bluejam
09-25-2010, 11:16 AM
Hello all!
A druid mate of mine is thinking about selling his Manastone since he's not very impressed by it. With Kunark on the horizon, there won't be much use for them anyhow (= dropping price)? I know of the whole bind in any zone, port out, stone up, gate back charade, but it seems to be a lot of work. Is it even worth it?
On the other hand.. I don't know anything about nonraid buyable caster loot from Kunark or stuff that would be hard to camp (played a melee on live myself) besides that Fungi staff which will be perma camped by poopers anyhow.
I've told him to keep it for now, but what do I know..
Any suggestions? :)
Myrkskog
09-25-2010, 12:19 PM
I don't know how much mana you gain from doing the port trick. It would have to be ridiculously better for me to do that much work every time.
Alawen Everywhere
09-25-2010, 12:22 PM
If you don't like it, sell it. Just afk to med up between kites.
Noselacri
09-25-2010, 02:19 PM
If he's worried about the price, I think it's safe to say that it'll rise rather than drop, especially in the long run. It might go down just a little in the first half of Kunark, but it will also become increasingly rare as time goes on, and eventually it will become one of those items you see for sale once a month at 300k.
It certainly does become less useful, but it's still nice to have around, especially on a druid who can port back to use it when soloing. I wouldn't want them to do it while grouped in a dungeon or something; it works in theory, but these stories of a druid and cleric porting out to manastone up and then gating back? Sounds like a recipe for letting the rest of the group wipe while they're gone. I'd rather that they med up the old-fashioned way if they were in my group. Any content intensive enough to make a healer consider doing that is the kind of content where I don't want the healer to disappear for minutes at a time.
Also, consider what he's giving up: a status symbol and situationally useful tool that no longer drops. What's he gonna buy? GEBs and shit like that? Seems stupid. Maybe if it was a rubicite breastplate which is entirely replacable in Kunark. Nothing replaces manastone, even though its uses become limited.
Crover_CT99
09-25-2010, 08:16 PM
If he's worried about the price, I think it's safe to say that it'll rise rather than drop, especially in the long run. It might go down just a little in the first half of Kunark, but it will also become increasingly rare as time goes on, and eventually it will become one of those items you see for sale once a month at 300k.
It certainly does become less useful, but it's still nice to have around, especially on a druid who can port back to use it when soloing. I wouldn't want them to do it while grouped in a dungeon or something; it works in theory, but these stories of a druid and cleric porting out to manastone up and then gating back? Sounds like a recipe for letting the rest of the group wipe while they're gone. I'd rather that they med up the old-fashioned way if they were in my group. Any content intensive enough to make a healer consider doing that is the kind of content where I don't want the healer to disappear for minutes at a time.
Also, consider what he's giving up: a status symbol and situationally useful tool that no longer drops. What's he gonna buy? GEBs and shit like that? Seems stupid. Maybe if it was a rubicite breastplate which is entirely replacable in Kunark. Nothing replaces manastone, even though its uses become limited.
The man speaks the truth. Why sell a useful and rare item that no longer drops for anything you can still earn the old fashion way (whether through plat farming or drop).
I have only ever used one on a cleric, but I'm sure there are some druids here who could tell you the overall usefulness. My guess is that it helps while quad-kiting after you get your best regen. Just figure out the click/regen ratio that maximizes mana return while keeping your health at a safe level.
Hoggen
09-25-2010, 09:25 PM
It is even useful to epic wizards, believe it or not... or wizard healer duo combos. Unless your zoning speeds are horrifically slow, you will get more kills with manastone than without.
Taluvill
09-25-2010, 11:04 PM
Not only is the port trick efficient, You dont "have" to level in kunark as a druid. Believe me when I say that doing the first 3-4 levels on the original continents with a manastone is MUCH more efficient than kunark leveling by far. A good group doing bats and bugs in Sol B or a druid Quadding things with a manastone is pretty quick and you can get a few good levels out of old world content.
If you group with a cleric, get some portage and both of you manastone down, and the cleric will CH while you both have chloro on, then both gate back to the group. Extremely, extremely efficient.
fastboy21
09-25-2010, 11:57 PM
It isn't a matter of whether it is better to have it or not...it is ALWAYS better to have it, even if it isn't useful much of the time.
The question was whether to sell it. I wouldn't sell it. If you have a mana stone now you should tuck that little gem away in the bank if you find it less than useful. In a year it will be worth 3 times what it is worth now. that is a solid investment.
my advice: hold.
Fawqueue
09-26-2010, 12:14 AM
This is all sound advice, but I don't think you are aiming high enough. Does your friend want a measely 80k now? Or even 300k later? It's chump change, and he'll spend it without anyone noticing while he fades into obscurity. However, you can't put a price on a legend. Tell him to sell it to me for 300 platinum. I guarantee he will be remembered forever on this server or he can have it back. It's the bold choice, do it!
quido
09-26-2010, 12:17 AM
They're only going up in price.
Bubbles
09-26-2010, 02:45 AM
Honestly, if you aren't a cleric or necromancer, and you are using a manastone in classic, you're an in-game comparison of the guy who spends $50,000 on a home theater set up to watch Will and Grace re-runs:
You aren't getting nearly the bang for the buck you should. Necros have the most practical use of a stone in classic (straight free dps from stoning to lifetap/leech/Dot), although you can easily make the argument that giving the class with hands-down the fastest mana regen rate is overkill and almost un-sporting. Bonus points for the stone making the best FD-twinking class.. even... better.
Clerics with mega +hp gear (Bladstoppers, Black Sapph jewelry, etc) obviously make the most use of a manastone. Just for an example of how wtf-retarded mana stone is on a cleric - First time Trans killed nagafen, me and Matahari's wife were the only two clerics in attendance, and with a couple 20-30ish level clerics and druids spam healing *us* while we chain stoned and CH'd Barthorn (who had to have probably purpled 4 times over the course of the long fight lol). This was pre-fear, pre-hate, pre-sol ro quests... $#!++y gear, barely any 50s. Trust me, This stone on a cleric is god's will in classic.
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The stone loses most of its value post classic, unless you plan on taking a druid or cleric and making them some crazy old-world twink bot for your newly created iksar.
Most of it's value is gonna come from Druids porting to old world locations, stoning like mad, getting CH'd, and porting back quickly to keep on slaughtering.
Wizards with their rune clicky (if it's coded properly/possible to re-emulate on emu) can grind up mana off the rune over and over again and port back to quadding-heaven.
If the stone goes up in value, it's going to be reactionary : "Gee, druids and wizards have a lot of money, i might as well sit in EC for a month and see if I can get XXX amounts of plat for this cuz I have no soul and/or life."
But the classes it was actually game-imbalancing for (necros/clerics) are not going to benefit from it anymore, so these stones are *very* likely to change hands somehow.
Haish
09-26-2010, 12:51 PM
I have one for sale at 80k, if anyone want to bank it to make 300k down the road!
On live I had wizzy epic and a mana robe. I can tell you that constantly spamming the robe plus the staff gave me zero to full mana about 25-30% quicker than medding. I then sold the robe because it was soooo much easier to sit for 7-8mins then to be constantly clicking over and over. Mana items seem to be in really high demand, but once you get them you realize how boring it is. I ended up buying some alt items and the necro amulet that turns you into a skele(so much more fun).
Ganjar
10-05-2010, 03:12 PM
The Manarobe is 3 second casting time, Manastone is instant. Makes a immense difference.
The Manarobe is 3 second casting time, Manastone is instant. Makes a immense difference.
That is a big improvement, but couldnt you only use it on the original worlds? Like it wouldnt work in the Planes, Kunark or Velious zones?
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