Caution before starting

[Elian]

Well ...I have not been around long but already kinda worried. At first I had thought I found this amazing classic based EQ ... only to hear about power tripping GMs. It seems any time there is a topic about GMs/guides or whatever it always turns sour. Some people give nothing but props to Rogean and the awesome stuff he does but from what I have been told about one of the other ones is that he is on a massive power trip and bans people for /shouting or changing peoples names that in no way violate the rules.

I just dont want to get settled in and find that ...well... goes without saying.

What are some other thoughts on the subject? Will this post get me insta banned? Will it be deleted or swept under the rug?

[MiRo2]

How many times have you encountered this behavior in game?

My guess is never, stay away from the rants and flames forum if you want to get a true feel for the server.

[anthony210]

Not sure if your trolling or if this is serious question but ill give it a shot.

The GMs/Guides do a pretty good job considering they are all volunteers and do not get paid to do what they do. Thus far I have not heard of any instances were GM's went on "power trips". The only things I have been hearing is arguments about camp disputes really. And I personally have never had any problems with the GM's on this server.

[Elian]

Like I said ... only played for a short while and the only time I've encountered this behavior is just about every time a conversation about GMs is happening ... not a rant, troll, or anything else. A worry.

[quellren]

...I have not been around long ... only to hear about ...but from what I have been told...


Herein lies your problem.

95% of this server doesn't have and has never had a problem with the 'management' as it were.
It's the 5% that is overly vocal about it.

[Elian]

Herein lies your problem.

95% of this server doesn't have and has never had a problem with the 'management' as it were.
It's the 5% that is overly vocal about it.

I dunno ... seems like after that one comment in CB, it exploded in rants about a GM. Thats the whole reason it had me worried. How could 15 out of 30ish people in the zone have something bad to say about a single GM?

[anthony210]

And its usually the 5% that are mad because they got banned so they come to RnF to throw a fit...

[Tokum-6n0m3]

The problem is this, in everyone's play time on here they will have something that happens to them that they honestly feel like they are wronged and like a GM should be able to fix the problem, but because of the rules the GM's MUST follow to try to be fair yet not be fooled by just any story people throw at them there will become a time where they ARE NOT able to help you, at that point.....even if they're someone you respect you feel ousted, some of the things you hear are probably caused by this, the rest are just people that like to get a rise wherever they can lol.....I haven't had my negative GM encounter yet, so far they seem faaar better the SoE GMs lol.....and most the conversations I've had IN GAME have all been positive when concerning GM's...Like someone said before, ignore the forums, base your opinion off your own interactions with the staff, stay around a bit you'll run into a few of them 8)

edit: also keep in mind the GM's here don't get anything but grief 99% of the time for all the effort they put in so we can play, this isn't SoE employee's getting a paycheck each week, I'm really surprised they're as patient with some of the people as they are considering everything they do here they do for these same people that are constantly shitting on them.......just my 2c~

[Pescador]

I haven't had a problem with the GM's. I've only had one dispute about camp stealing, and it got resolved within minutes. I think if you spend too much time on the forums, you get a very skewed perception of the server. If you spend your time just playing I doubt you'll ever run into any "power tripping."

[quellren]

I dunno ... seems like after that one comment in CB, it exploded in rants about a GM. Thats the whole reason it had me worried. How could 15 out of 30ish people in the zone have something bad to say about a single GM?

That's bandwagon, pack mentality based on the garbage read here on the forums.
Or as posted by Tokum, it's that they really did have a negative experience, but it was in response to them not being catered to.

The majority of those that bitch about GM's are either crybabies or liars.
Personally, I may not agree with all the ways issues are handled, but ultimately its volunteers policing a FREE server. I get the catering-to that I pay for.

I don't know how you guys do it. I wouldn't subject myself to the treatment that they regularly do.

[Noselacri]

I've never had any problems with GMs or witnessed any issues first-hand, and most of the posts complaining about them seem like idiocy. A few of them could perhaps be a bit more civil in their manner of conduct on the forums considering their position, but then again this playerbase is one half anonymous and the other half retarded, so it's hard to blame the GMs for being impatient with the vocal imbeciles.

[Zallarenya]

Crushbone... the only place I've encountered people who brag about previous accounts being banned.

[bufferofnewbies]

And its usually the 5% that are mad because they got banned so they come to RnF to throw a fit...
QFT

It's usually people doing something wrong that seem to have a problem with the management doing their job. I'm pretty much an antisocial ass most times, but even I can say my experiences with GMs have been good. They do their job, with the tools/info available to them, with the mindset that makes me, as an ex pre-Kurnak guide, happy to see. They do the job because they like the game and want to keep it running smooth, not because they get any benefits.

The ones complaining are the ones that got caught doing wrong and weren't able to man-up to it.

[Dantes]

All of the GMs I have encountered have been helpful and professional... They can keep banning douche bags for all I care. I don't care if it's justified or not. Just don't be a douche bag and you'll have nothing to worry about.

[Tseng]

It's the internet. Is there somewhere on the internet where people don't bitch and moan unreasonably about everything?

[fastboy21]

from what I have been told about one of the other ones is that he is on a massive power trip and bans people for /shouting or changing peoples names that in no way violate the rules.

This sums up the value of your post.

Without first hand knowledge of something you are spreading a rumor. You should be banned for libeling Rogean without first hand knowledge. They probably won't ban you because they are usually very very reasonable (i don't know...maybe their making the server and paying for it out of their own pockets to keep it alive ought to give them some credit.).

[Elian]

This sums up the value of your post.

Without first hand knowledge of something you are spreading a rumor. You should be banned for libeling Rogean without first hand knowledge. They probably won't ban you because they are usually very very reasonable (i don't know...maybe their making the server and paying for it out of their own pockets to keep it alive ought to give them some credit.).


Libeling? If you read the OP correctly I stated that I personally have not heard anything bad said about him, only good things. The GM they were questioning the motives of doesnt matter.

Anyway, I came here with a worry about staying on the server for the longterm and before this thread gets out of hand or my question is taken out of context Id like to thank everyone for the input and until something unjustified is done to me I have no more worries.

Thanks again and have fun!

[fastboy21]

Libeling? If you read the OP correctly I stated that I personally have not heard anything bad said about him, only good things. The GM they were questioning the motives of doesnt matter.

Anyway, I came here with a worry about staying on the server for the longterm and before this thread gets out of hand or my question is taken out of context Id like to thank everyone for the input and until something unjustified is done to me I have no more worries.

Thanks again and have fun!

Please. Your motives are plainly transparent. You want to skirt the rule about posting about the devs, goad them into some disciplinary action, and then say AHA...LOOK AT THEM OPPRESSING ME! THEY IS BAD!

Like I said in my post, you admit to having ZERO first hand knowledge of the deeds you are cautioning new players about. In other words, your caution is a piece of poppycock and, most likely, so are you.

[Elian]

Please. Your motives are plainly transparent. You want to skirt the rule about posting about the devs, goad them into some disciplinary action, and then say AHA...LOOK AT THEM OPPRESSING ME! THEY IS BAD!

Like I said in my post, you admit to having ZERO first hand knowledge of the deeds you are cautioning new players about. In other words, your caution is a piece of poppycock and, most likely, so are you.


And there it is ... taking it out of context. If I offended you sorry .... but have to correct being misquoted. The caution you speak of can only mean the title of the thread, let me address this. Caution is referring to my caution before starting. Not cautioning new players.

Please stop accusing me of things based on your assumptions and misunderstanding of topic.

To prevent this from escalating this will be my last post on the subject

One last thing. Please site the rule I was breaking by posting about devs and I will duly apologize for ignorance.

[Ode]

I have never had any problem with any GM and have found them to be both accessible, fair, and friendly.

[Pezmerga]

No reason for anyone to jump all over this guy. He asked a reasonable question.

In my experience the GMs have never affected my play negatively whatsoever. I dunno if there is guild favoritism or not, but I am not gonna assume there is because Guy A, Guy B, and Guy C are whining about it. I'm here to have fun, not get caught up in any drama. Most the people that complain are the kind of people who would do anything to get ahead of others from what I gather anyway. Again that is an assumption, but I'm willing to make that one before I assume GMs who sacrifice their freetime and money to give us a FREE EQ server to play on are all evil jerks on a powertrip. Are they perfect? No, but neither are any of us.

[Virtuosos]

GM's have acted without bias attitudes when the situation calls for it - I.E first to engage, banning everyone who duel boxes regardless of guild... There are definate times when, unless the GM is standing there and watching, they cant do anything due to lack of proof: training is a good example of this, whether its an accident or on purpose.

And when those situations happen, and the people get pissed off because the GM refuses to take one persons word over another, they go cry and claim favortism.

[Dac321]

Take this thread in to consideration of how many people are pleased with the GMs. Instead of hearing rumors or rants about people that more then likely broke the rules. (stated above..) Get your own opinion to base your decision off of.

I think the GMs are great.

[liveitup1216]

The GM's here do an absolutely phenomenal job. The rage and crying you see is from people who didn't get their way. Just don't mistake the GM's for pushovers, they'll get in your face and shut you up just as quickly as you try to give them shit.

Our GM's got balls, be nice to them and they'll be nice to you. My sig sums it up.