$ What I learned from this RMT ban wave... $

[Swish]

There's a LOT of cash to be made selling EQ plat.

You can see why those "services" are out there. If the average user spent $30 that's $13200 made (assuming 440 bans). Adjust that around, defend that most people probably spent less... that's still a sizeable chunk for what is essentially make believe money.

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[MaksimMazor]

Lol been dying to use this gif

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[Zombiehasslehoff]

bitcoin market cap is over $3 Billion. Let that sink in a bit.

[radditsu]

There's a LOT of cash to be made selling EQ plat.

You can see why those "services" are out there. If the average user spent $30 that's $13200 made (assuming 440 bans). Adjust that around, defend that most people probably spent less... that's still a sizeable chunk for what is essentially make believe money.

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When the server has enough mudflation so it doesn't even matter that these people got popped. There are thousands more copies of fake pixels out there to be sold. The platinum prices on these items will skyrocket for legit players for the short term, therefore trickling into the pockets of the RMT Gods again.

[Deadlyfury]

440 account bans doesn't really equate into 440 players, anyone that has touched a banned account with the same IP could have had their account banned that weren't even partaking in the RMT (such as myself) so it's probably considerably less (maybe even half) if you remember that, and in the scheme of things, thats not really that much, i mean when was the last ban? I been on here for about 6 months and havn't seen a round happen, so $13k a year for a alot of blood sweat and tears pharming that plat, i would choose a different profession...

[radditsu]

440 account bans doesn't really equate into 440 players, anyone that has touched a banned account with the same IP could have had their account banned that weren't even partaking in the RMT (such as myself) so it's probably considerably less (maybe even half) if you remember that, and in the scheme of things, thats not really that much, i mean when was the last ban? I been on here for about 6 months and havn't seen a round happen, so $13k a year for a alot of blood sweat and tears pharming that plat, i would choose a different profession...

Emotionally handicapped nerds who live in a cheap apartment with no prospect of girlfriends and children...13k a year to play a video game aint bad business.

[Deadlyfury]

hahaha fair call mate, but i am greatful that even though my account was banned, if it's lost in the great cull to stop RMT then so be it, someone with a dirty IP would have had to touch it for it to happen, so i guess it's my fault for not being careful

[Oleris]

don't forget disability money

[radditsu]

don't forget disability money

Yup all under the table funds. Don't even have to claim it on the tax returns.

[Big_Japan]

ya but think about all the overhead costs the RMT gods have what with maintaining the servers and so forth, can we adjust for that?

[Wfrench1234]

See kids, this is why everything is bind on equip or soulbound in new MMO's.

[kaev]

See kids, this is why everything is bind on equip or soulbound in new MMO's.

Because forcing entire accounts to be sold makes it easier for the large-scale RMT operations to force the little guys out of the market?

[Wfrench1234]

Not saying it eliminates the issue, but trading an entire account hurts whoever sold it (they no longer have the character and have to level up another toon to sell or farm with) and the person buying the account usually gets found out as not the original player of the account (assuming the person selling the account had any interaction with ANYONE while leveling)

[sulpher01]

Thing is its no where near 440... they do a ban first ask later thing for shock value. They ban all the rmt'ers, and any account they ever did a one sided trade with. Since every single one of those rmt'ers bought a jboots mq and maybe an epic mq, thats a lot of mq'ers banned...

[Deadlyfury]

ya but think about all the overhead costs the RMT gods have what with maintaining the servers and so forth, can we adjust for that?

Lol don't think anyone saw this cheeky comment about relating RMT to the Devs and GM's but I noticed ;) very cheeky

[Deadlyfury]

Real mature...

[radditsu]

Where did the big dicks go?

[Big_Japan]

rite here buddy

[radditsu]

rite here buddy

:) hey big boy.

[skipdog]

Thing is its no where near 440... they do a ban first ask later thing for shock value. They ban all the rmt'ers, and any account they ever did a one sided trade with. Since every single one of those rmt'ers bought a jboots mq and maybe an epic mq, thats a lot of mq'ers banned...

this is a ridiculous and idiotic assumption.

[Jfertal]

this is a ridiculous and idiotic assumption.

not really, a lot of people who have sold MQ's are currently banned atm.

[Agatha]

what i learned is that there a site dedicated to that, that plat can sell for 6 dollars per 1k, and i calculated that i can farm plat at maybe 1-2k per hour, which comes out to something like potentially 6 dollars per hour.

result, i would only need to wait for the price of plat to raise 10x until i can play p99 as a job.

[sulpher01]

this is a ridiculous and idiotic assumption.

Not an assumption, its a fact.. they've done the same exact thing in every ban wave. You new here?

[Pokesan]

agatha for red GM

[Swish]

pop would drop to 10 overnight

[Diggle]

know someone who made just short of 180k last year off rmt , insane dooder

[Giustin]

$180K .. that is insane. At $6 per 1kpp that's 30,000,000pp worth of of plat and items!

If you break it down its like $500 a day (give or take) .. or 83000pp per day .. or 3500pp per hour.. every hour of every day for a year.

Which is all possible I suppose .. serious neckbeard.

[kagrobb]

$180K .. that is insane. At $6 per 1kpp that's 30,000,000pp worth of of plat and items!

If you break it down its like $500 a day (give or take) .. or 83000pp per day .. or 3500pp per hour.. every hour of every day for a year.

Which is all possible I suppose .. serious neckbeard.

you forget rare items and dragon loots not just raw pp

[Tankdan]

you forget rare items and dragon loots not just raw pp

and the part where he or his friend are full of shit

[Tiggles]

and the part where he or his friend are full of shit

[kagrobb]

and the part where he or his friend are full of shit

not talking about the person banned, I am talking about the RMT of stuff is insane in a pure plat sense of the work but the amount of monies that has been paid for rare items in this game, and on live, is nuts.

On fennin when sleepers was being farmed by 2 or 3 guilds in heavy rotation and all content was on perma lockdown, things would be on the auction websites for hundreds of dollars.

I know that this is emu and classic eq, but people will still pay for it if they can get it no other way and greed almost always wins. Especially when they did not get it or did not have a chance to see it in their first go around on EQ back in the day when this was all new.

Two things that ruined EQ for me on live is microtransactions to win the game with exp pots legacy exp bonus and having to two or 3 box to grind aa or levels. I never RMT'ed, but I sure as hell 3 or 4 boxed out of need for certain classes on raids/exp grind. Honestly I am glad that neither are allowed here.

As for the guy/gal getting banned for having gotten something nice from a friend, it does happen. People get free stuff from friends all the time. I cannot tell you the amount of stuff I have given away over the years on Fennin. From rare loot since i had it MQ epics several fungi to several dozen old school PO Mischief cards and dolls to make the armor. Who does not want a set of shamanistic shenanigan boots amrite? best named item in the game. Free stuff does happen, but it is hard to find the truth when everyone claims it is true. Likely they will get reinstated without said items unless a chain of custody can be established from loot to loan/giveaway. like a digital fingerprint on the item of it's history of ho had it for how long.

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[Stormfists]

True story.

I was given a fungi in Velius era by RL friend when I was mid 40s.

[girth]

I was given a fungi in Velious era by a NON-IRL friend when I was ~50.

Sure made soloing bnb easy.

[azeth]

You can see why those "services" are out there. If the average user spent $30 that's $13200 made (assuming 440 bans).

$13,200 for how many man hours, website cost, extraneous costs?

This isn't a lot of money.

[Tiggles]

$13,200 for how many man hours, website cost, extraneous costs?

This isn't a lot of money.

The fact that these RMT guys don't actually farm the plat themselves is lost on the idiots here.

They buy and sell shit in EC using RL cash/plat and then return it for a profit.

It's not like some dude farmed up $13k worth of plat and sold it he probably spent 7k of his own cash first.

Chances are they are making minimum wage for all the time they put into it unless they are platlord.

[Pint]

$13,200 for how many man hours, website cost, extraneous costs?

This isn't a lot of money.

Keep in mind that most big rmt rings are just ppl who played for years and then got bored so they sold all their shit for cash, money/time conversion is pretty irrelevant if they were leaving anyway.

[Swish]

$13,200 for how many man hours, website cost, extraneous costs?

This isn't a lot of money.

What does a website cost? Not much based on the ones I've seen...and even if you can't make your own, chances are you know someone who knows someone who will do it cheap - plenty of web designers who need the work.

The people running it are buying low/selling high on the plat. That's not much for man hours, could do it alongside your job if you have one of those jobs.

[Rayzor84]

The fact that these RMT guys don't actually farm the plat themselves is lost on the idiots here.

They buy and sell shit in EC using RL cash/plat and then return it for a profit.

It's not like some dude farmed up $13k worth of plat and sold it he probably spent 7k of his own cash first.

Chances are they are making minimum wage for all the time they put into it unless they are platlord.

Solution: ban tunnel rats selling high.

[Susano]

bitcoin market cap is over $3 Billion. Let that sink in a bit.

The day p99 plat becomes the new bitcoin my dick will literally explode.

[Infectious]

know someone who made just short of 180k last year off rmt , insane dooder

Lol

[radditsu]

What does a website cost? Not much based on the ones I've seen...and even if you can't make your own, chances are you know someone who knows someone who will do it cheap - plenty of web designers who need the work.

The people running it are buying low/selling high on the plat. That's not much for man hours, could do it alongside your job if you have one of those jobs.

8 dollars a year.

[harnold]

Ok guys lets wrap this thread up here, thank you all and good night