Does this break server rules?

[Elcarim]

There's a guy named Ravon who has been camping the AC for over 12 hours, well over. Those of us on the wait list have been watching. He's been camping it and killing the AC while inviting his friends to loot the ring, so that he doesn't have to leave.

Can a person do this? Lock down a camp for over half a day, ignoring other people and just giving the loot out so as not to have to leave and to bypass the lore aspect of these items?

[Tenlaar]

Getting items for his friends? What a dick!

PETITIONQUEST ENGAGED!

[Elcarim]

Could care less that he's getting items for his friend. I care that he's holding a camp while other people are forced to wait and simply bringing in his friends to loot the objects to avoid the lore tag on the items.

But the camp, especially if there are as many people waiting as there are for this one at all times, should be limited to one ring per camp. If he wants one for his friend, he should be required to get his loot then move to the back of the line.

[Colgate]

on red99, you could have just killed him 12 hours ago

[Elcarim]

Haven't played on red yet, still planning on checking it out. But that sounds brutal lol.

[Itap]

Probably not but it's a dick move

[Feanol]

on red99, you could have just killed him 12 hours ago

[Tenlaar]

Could care less that he's getting items for his friend. I care that he's holding a camp while other people are forced to wait and simply bringing in his friends to loot the objects to avoid the lore tag on the items.

What proof do you have that he is doing it to avoid a lore tag and not to help some friends get an item that is considered an essential for most classes?


But the camp, especially if there are as many people waiting as there are for this one at all times, should be limited to one ring per camp. If he wants one for his friend, he should be required to get his loot then move to the back of the line.

What is your reasoning for this, excluding greed and/or entitlement? Would you feel differently if he had handed the game off to one friend, who handed it off to another friend, who handed it off to another friend...

[Wenuven]

Pretty clear-cut, and these exact rules have been around in one form or another for quite some time. I really need to compile a "Project 1999: Errata and other extraneous information" post to put all this stuff. For now, this will have to do:

Camp holder has the right to pass the camp to whoever he would like. However, and this is very important, two things must happen in order for this to be a legitimate hand-off:

1) The player being handed the camp must be present around the time the first placeholder spawns after the last holder of the camp has gotten his or her item in hand. The person handing off the camp must stay at the spawn until the next person in line arrives, if that person is on their way to take the camp. There is a little leeway here, and we refuse to set an exact timer on how long the placeholder can be up before the camp is forfeited, but in general it should never be for more than a couple minutes or so. We tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the person coming in to take the camp in these situations as CSR staff, so waiting a bit longer will never hurt. W

2) The person holding the camp cannot mislead you, or change his mind after telling you who is next. Something that no one ever does (and I will never understand why) is to specifically address the camp holder, asking who is next or if you can be next. The camp holder does need to reveal to you who the next intended camp holder is - if he doesn't, you may ask to be next and your claim will be valid unless he reveals the next person immediately. This person cannot change after the camp holder has "revealed" the next person to take the camp to you. It is an automatic forfeit if this occurs. If you ask to be the next camp holder and are told yes, the camp holder may not later retract or change this agreement and attempt to hand the camp off to someone else - it's yours once he has gotten his item or moved on from the camp.

Something else important to note about handing off camps - in particular, popular ones, but this applies to any camp that becomes contested. If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) you are done camping that mob. The person coming to take the camp had better be prepared at this point in order to come eliminate the very next placeholder spawn in order to "stake his claim" on the mob. You cannot work wacky corpse lines on lore items in order to grab multiple items in the same "camp session" if there are others waiting to take the camp. Please be aware that we reserve the right to apply this same ruling to any camp if we deem it necessary, including camps with multiple players.

[Elcarim]

What proof do you have that he is doing it to avoid a lore tag and not to help some friends get an item that is considered an essential for most classes?

What proof? If he wanted it for his friend he could get the ring himself and MQ it. But he's bringing out friends in order to loot the ring, the whole time holding the camp and not giving others a chance.

What is your reasoning for this, excluding greed and/or entitlement? Would you feel differently if he had handed the game off to one friend, who handed it off to another friend, who handed it off to another friend...

Sense of "entitlement or greed"? You're saying I'm greedy for feeling he should share the camp after holding it for, again, over 12 hours and getting the AC spawn? from what the other people who have been waiting longer than myself, said it's been more like 18.

And what do you mean by "handing it off to friend after friend?" As in him playing at his home and having friends or a brother or something take over the camp for him so he can get some sleep? Yes, I would have a problem with that.

[Tenlaar]

Sense of "entitlement or greed"? You're saying I'm greedy for feeling he should share the camp after holding it for, again, over 12 hours and getting the AC spawn? from what the other people who have been waiting longer than myself, said it's been more like 18.
I'm really just playing devil's advocate out of curiosity here, but I was wondering if there was a logical reason for your thinking that he should leave. Something beyond "I want it and he's already there so he should leave."

And what do you mean by "handing it off to friend after friend?" As in him playing at his home and having friends or a brother or something take over the camp for him so he can get some sleep? Yes, I would have a problem with that.
What I mean is that a person can hand a camp over to whomever they like. So instead of his friends coming to loot them, he gets a ring and then his friend shows up to take the camp. That friend gets a ring and a third friend shows up to take the camp. Then a fourth, then a fifth, and so on. A private list that you don't get to be on, basically. Would there be any difference to you?

[Elcarim]

"Something else important to note about handing off camps - in particular, popular ones, but this applies to any camp that becomes contested. If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) you are done camping that mob."

Also

"The person holding the camp cannot mislead you, or change his mind after telling you who is next. Something that no one ever does (and I will never understand why) is to specifically address the camp holder, asking who is next or if you can be next. The camp holder does need to reveal to you who the next intended camp holder is - if he doesn't, you may ask to be next and your claim will be valid unless he reveals the next person immediately. This person cannot change after the camp holder has "revealed" the next person to take the camp to you. "

So does this get around this rule? Seems like it shouldn't. On the first he had a friend loot the object for him which seems to get around the rule and on the second, He never handed off the camp per say, even though he told the next person in the list that he was next.. Even though he started asking friends to come in to loot the ring.

[Elcarim]

Tenlarr, I think I made my point rather clearly.

On top of which, based on Wenuven said, it sounds like he skirted the rules by not looting the object himself and calling in friends to loot it. But it still broke the spirit of the rules.

[Haynar]

I got a silly question.

Did you sit there for 12 hrs, not leaving, waiting for your turn? Or did you keep leaving and coming back?

H

[Nuggie]

I think it violates the spirit of the rule. petitionquest time, unfortunately. OR you could go find something else to do.

[Haynar]

Use /petition or the Petition forum.

Posting here to debate the rules, is pointless. Either it was violation or not. I dont know. But this goes in to Rule Lawyer Questing or just plain ole Forum Questing.

H

[SCB]

Imagine people that play a video game with the express intent to not be dicknoses to each other, thus invalidating the need to ForumQuest.

Fucking crazy, I know.

[Tameth]

red99 is the only answer.

[Hetjan]

While he seems a bit greedy and rude ...

Still,

"people are forced to wait"

I don't get this .. you can do whatever you want eh? I mean just ask the dude straight up are you going to give up the camp after next AC? If he says yes take a screenshot and then maybe you got something if he says no move along maybe since you are probably not forced to get jboots or PP today.

To quote the lame, "Just say'n bro."

[Elcarim]

Tameth, I'm in love. who is that video of?

That's Jennifer Aniston? sheesh. I get 44 don't look so bad on her.

[Llodd]

on red99, you could have just killed him 12 hours ago

or died trying.. right? and assuming within pvp lvl range too...right~?

Damn; red isnt the answer afterall. Whodathoughtit

[brecon]

This is such a silly conversation. The answer was directly posted. It is 100% a violation, and identical to the issue that we had a few months ago with Tranix crowns.

On any item camp, you get to camp your item one time. If you want to give it to a friend, corpse it, or keep it, it's up to you, but you are done with the camp.

With the AC, where the ring is a 100% drop, it's pretty clear. If AC spawns and he kills it, he has to cede it.

[Doil_Boil]

"Something else important to note about handing off camps - in particular, popular ones, but this applies to any camp that becomes contested. If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) you are done camping that mob. The person coming to take the camp had better be prepared at this point in order to come eliminate the very next placeholder spawn in order to "stake his claim" on the mob. You cannot work wacky corpse lines on lore items in order to grab multiple items in the same "camp session" if there are others waiting to take the camp. Please be aware that we reserve the right to apply this same ruling to any camp if we deem it necessary, including camps with multiple players."

Etc etc

[Jaleth]

Yes, he was in violation; if it went down the way you described it Elcarim. Engage in conversation with players next time perhaps, and either log the data or take screens. Time stamped logs could be better if the player chooses to ignore you. And because no one should be afk who is up camping the mob or the ph, any non response would be a clear attempt of said party ignoring you, not just afk. Unless they are taking a quick bio break with an AFK tag.

[Haynar]

Which AC camp was this? That also matters.

H

[Itap]

Which AC camp was this? That also matters.

H

Most likely the OoT camp

[ravax]

Once the person popped the AC in OOT and killed it, their camp was done. It's their loss if they let someone else loot their item.

Note Drubael's comment: If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) you are done camping that mob.


http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1652719&postcount=9

Pretty clear-cut, and these exact rules have been around in one form or another for quite some time. I really need to compile a "Project 1999: Errata and other extraneous information" post to put all this stuff. For now, this will have to do:

Camp holder has the right to pass the camp to whoever he would like. However, and this is very important, two things must happen in order for this to be a legitimate hand-off:

1) The player being handed the camp must be present around the time the first placeholder spawns after the last holder of the camp has gotten his or her item in hand. The person handing off the camp must stay at the spawn until the next person in line arrives, if that person is on their way to take the camp. There is a little leeway here, and we refuse to set an exact timer on how long the placeholder can be up before the camp is forfeited, but in general it should never be for more than a couple minutes or so. We tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the person coming in to take the camp in these situations as CSR staff, so waiting a bit longer will never hurt. W

2) The person holding the camp cannot mislead you, or change his mind after telling you who is next. Something that no one ever does (and I will never understand why) is to specifically address the camp holder, asking who is next or if you can be next. The camp holder does need to reveal to you who the next intended camp holder is - if he doesn't, you may ask to be next and your claim will be valid unless he reveals the next person immediately. This person cannot change after the camp holder has "revealed" the next person to take the camp to you. It is an automatic forfeit if this occurs. If you ask to be the next camp holder and are told yes, the camp holder may not later retract or change this agreement and attempt to hand the camp off to someone else - it's yours once he has gotten his item or moved on from the camp.

Something else important to note about handing off camps - in particular, popular ones, but this applies to any camp that becomes contested. If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) you are done camping that mob. The person coming to take the camp had better be prepared at this point in order to come eliminate the very next placeholder spawn in order to "stake his claim" on the mob. You cannot work wacky corpse lines on lore items in order to grab multiple items in the same "camp session" if there are others waiting to take the camp. Please be aware that we reserve the right to apply this same ruling to any camp if we deem it necessary, including camps with multiple players.
Last edited by Derubael; 11-10-2014 at 09:49 AM..

[Rararboker]

Moral of the story? You let him keep the camp for 11 hours longer than you should have.

I think.



Might be something about pie.

[salimoneus]

This is such a silly conversation. The answer was directly posted. It is 100% a violation, and identical to the issue that we had a few months ago with Tranix crowns.

On any item camp, you get to camp your item one time. If you want to give it to a friend, corpse it, or keep it, it's up to you, but you are done with the camp.

With the AC, where the ring is a 100% drop, it's pretty clear. If AC spawns and he kills it, he has to cede it.

This is absolutely correct. Once AC pops, the camp holder is done and must relinquish to someone present within a couple minutes of the next PH spawn, regardless of who looted the item.

That doesn't mean the next guy can't hand off to another one of his buddies, and so on and so forth, and disregard any sort of "list", but that's more of a douchebaggery thing and not a rule infraction thing.

[katrik]

I hope so. This is garbage. F this guy.

[Bazia]

red99 thing isnt true

level range is 4 rarely can you kill random players