Server Wipe

[Celticgirl]

Is there truth to the rumor of a server wipe when Velious is released?
I am new to P99 and have 2 characters started but don't want to invest anymore time into them if only to loose it all with a wipe. Thanks

[Valrok]

No

[Cecily]

Wipe it clean.

[Ele]

Wishful thinking by some, but blue isn't getting wiped.

[mr_jon3s]

Wipe red turn it into blue.

[Celticgirl]

Thank You

[Nuggie]

Is there truth to the rumor of a server wipe when Velious is released?
I am new to P99 and have 2 characters started but don't want to invest anymore time into them if only to loose it all with a wipe. Thanks

Nilbog said it would never happen under his watch.

[Clark]

Wipe it clean.

[myriverse]

Wipe your own asses.

[Arclyte]

i wipe my ass with my hand and slap your american face

[Greengrocer]

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[Danth]

Requesting server wipes strikes me as another means by which a subset of the population attempts to "PvP" the rest of the server. Some folks enjoy building stuff...other folks just want to break things.

Danth

[Lagaidh]

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[Jaleth]

i wipe my ass with my hand and slap your American face

Fixed for j00! =) We are the greatest nation in the world after all :)

[Orruar]

Requesting server wipes strikes me as another means by which a subset of the population attempts to "PvP" the rest of the server. Some folks enjoy building stuff...other folks just want to break things.

Danth

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

[iruinedyourday]

wipe it clean so i wont worry about RMTing cus theres no point in havinga character that i want to hold onto forever. great plan guys.

[Varren]

Some people just want to play a fun game

Ftfy

[Basenji]

There's a part of the player base that enjoys this game for the competition aspect. And there's another part that enjoys the cooperative aspect. As the game is now, it favors the competitors at the complete expense of the co-opers. These interests are as valid as the interest in PVP, which has its own server. Also, a separate seasonal progression server would allow the players to pursue more of their own playstyles and double the available content.

How much does an additional server cost? Are we running on dedicated hardware, or is it processing credits on a VM farm?

[Ravager]

They should just sticky one of these and say "not gonna happen". Then forum ban anyone who starts another wipe thread.

[Confit]

http://i.imgur.com/rCUlptM.jpg

[Basenji]

I dunno. It looks like it has about as much forum support as Red does. How did Red come about?

[Samoht]

people interested in a wipe are welcome to delete their characters and/or start over with a new account. that's basically going to have the same effect considering that there will always be somebody with more play time (and ultimately higher level with more plat) than you, and mana stones will be perma-camped to the point where you wouldn't get one, anyway.

wipe it clean folks are just jelly.

[Mendo]

people interested in a wipe are welcome to delete their characters and/or start over with a new account. that's basically going to have the same effect considering that there will always be somebody with more play time (and ultimately higher level with more plat) than you, and mana stones will be perma-camped to the point where you wouldn't get one, anyway.

wipe it clean folks are just jelly.

Or they just came to the party late and missed the true nostalgia of playing the Everquest where bronze and Finesteel is the norm rather than epics and fungi tunics.

[maskedmelon]

I would not be opposed to a second blue server though it's effect on this server's population could be a concern. However I would not be happy with a wipe given my limited play time and the corresponding timeline to get where I am. No thank you ^^

[Basenji]

Ya, I'm a big fan of the idea of a second server that wipes on a set schedule. Its not that I'd expect to win the race. But I would expect a lot of the most toxic personalities wouldn't bother hanging around after they beat the content. Plus minimal mudflation. And GM's could more readily wipe characters as a punishment, because they're all going down the drain eventually anyhow. Yes there'd still be assholes, but different assholes.

Maybe I'm doing this wrong. I need to get the RMT hoarders on board. Hey guys, just think of the exchange rate on wipe-server plat! And you could sell to the same customers again and again!

[Samoht]

Or they just came to the party late and missed the true nostalgia of playing the Everquest where bronze and Finesteel is the norm rather than epics and fungi tunics.

nobody says you have to group or trade with them.

even if it was wiped, epics and fungis would already be the norm again before most people insisting on wiping could even create a character.

[gusH]

I'm hearing yes

[rotenvok]

I have no much time for play and my main is a troll SK, not twinked because I do not have any high lvl toon to provide him, I level up very slowly.

If the server wipes, all the efforts and dedication i've spent in my char go to trash.

[SanityRevoked]

People wanting a server wipe(at least originally), were never asking for it because of epics and fungis, or being butthurt about being late on the scene and not getting a manastone.

In the beginning, the crys for wipe were due to 2 years of exploits, cheats, and broken content. Let me explain just a fraction of what I'm referring to...

330(? -ish) accounts were SUSPENDED due to ShowEQ/MQ2 usage. To get caught, you needed to be using said cheats during the 3 weeks before that day. If you had been cheating for a year, but, took some time off during that period, you dodged the suspension.

The 330 accounts that were suspended had all platinum deleted and lost 50% of their total exp.(level 60s were down to 54)

Many saw this as less than a slap on the wrist, considering that almost everyone has more worth in gear, than they do in raw platinum, sometimes exceedingly so.(Whats 50k when you have hundreds of thousands worth of gear?)

The GMs thought it would be too drastic to straight up ban 330 accounts without warning(Cheat = Ban, no warning needed), citing how it may negatively influence the population of the server.
(they've banned over 1000 accounts now.. no? ...and server pop is at a high.)

I'm not going to mention names, but at least 1 guild warned their cheaters to delete hacks before returning to P1999.
Its my guess that at least 300 more accounts were deserving of suspension, but they had simply got tired of the game and were on break, or had prior knowledge of the suspensions.

If you don't believe me, you didn't play prekunark. People were openly admitting to using these programs, to the point where it was extremely obvious and nobody cared.

I could say more about ShowEQ/MQ2 usage, but I think thats enough to prove what I'm trying to get at.

Maps/Compass/Target Rings/Blue Diamond Jewelry/Wu's Armor, ect. No biggy right?(Well, BD Jewelry is a biggy) None if it was classic. Yet everyone used them.

Snare + Root being able to stack, full DoT damage when moving(right? its been a while), PCs needing to do 1 damage to get full exp. All have been changed.

Cant even mention most bugs and exploits since they're not discussed, and only a fraction of p99'ers know about. I know that pets were bugged for an unknown amount of time to be twice as strong as normal(DPS, not health).
I'm sure a lot of people know that raid mobs were being taken down by an entire guild right clicking Ivandyr's Hoop... to the point where the GMs had to step in and try to prevent it, and outright ban its use in VP.

This is only the tip of the iceberg, I'm sure many people know of things that I dont, that are just as bad, or worse.

There people who are genuine about a server wipe. All we want is a server where all of these steps have been taken before the server goes live.

Doesn't have to be tomorrow, or next week, or next year... but there are people who want a legit classic experience, with minimal changes occurring after the server goes live.

In no way am I dissing the GMs or the hierarchy of the server, I am just trying to put forward the real reason why "Wipe it clean" even came up in the first place.
It certainly was never about fungi's, epics and manastones. It was always about being as classic as possible.(and keeping it classic, by not letting people exploit)

To clarify, I dont want blue to be wiped, its way way too late.
I just want a legit server. Teams99 will be the closest thing we've seen so far, so it'll have to do.

[iruinedyourday]

perma-death server and we can really see who's casual and who's got the goods.

[myriverse]

I dunno. It looks like it has about as much forum support as Red does. How did Red come about?
Hmm... as mush support as Red... Coincidence?:rolleyes:

[kildone]

perma-death server and we can really see who's casual and who's got the goods.

I have wanted to play that for years. Problem is peak population would be 5 players?

Can't wait for a game that combines the permadeath with heirs and maybe strongholds so that players / guilds could stockpile, kinda like the real world has always worked.

Add totally unrestricted PvP and full loot, not just pc but npc. Imagine players die to a dragon and his treasure pile gets bigger. A clan or orcs raids a stronghold to increase their own treasure horde.

Wait a minute that sounds too much like a role playing game, I must be nutz...

I'd pay 30 a month to play that kind of MMO if there were no micro transactions. I am sure at least 5 others would too.

[kildone]

On the actual topic of this thread, one has only to read the forums for a couple years as I have to see many good reasons for a wipe, not even counting the good points made here on bugs and exploits.

I remember when people swore they would never ever stop playing EQ because of the hundreds of hours, then later thousands of hours of their life they put into it.

Some people stay in a bad marriage forever, cause they are afraid to let go. Too much of their life invested in it.

I don't support a wipe, I don't want to force anyone to do anything. But if a new server was released, if it was as simple as creating a new instance of software like SQL server for example, the. I would gladly play and donate for server costs. Many others would too.

I also think that many people who have given up on P99 would come back and play.

I never heard a good reason against a new server. Has it been contemplated but there were no volunteers to work on dev and donate so that it would be no extra effort for current developers?

I think a lot of people are flat against the idea cause they would lonely on the old stale blue with their stable of geared lvl 60's. Even if I did not want to play a fresh new classic eq server, I would not be so ... Almost hostile against the idea for others to have fun on.

Now I can already hear people say, go make your own emu! Play the other Emu!

Take a deep breath and think before you say that. I believe the devs and volunteers here have made an awesome thing and think it foolish to try to start over and recreate the wheel.

In the end it's thier server to with as they please and players are free to play or not to play. I think everyone realizes that but please save you fingers. Unless you really enjoy spewing the same stuff without reasonable discussion on a topic, in that case feel free to continue. I can easily scroll past to the good reading on both sides of the topic.

For now I am just eagerly awaiting the possibly of a teams PvP server at some point in the future and will make a point to free up 10-20 hours a week to help test, even though my life seldom allows me to spend that much time playing games these days.

ps I have really enjoyed my time playing p99 blue and now red and am most thankful for all who have made that possible no matter what the future holds.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

It should not be hard to figure out why a straight up wipe, would be not just unfair, but really bad gm'ing. I would note some of those saying to wipe have accounts full of 60's. Sure, they have already "beat" this server, a wipe might be fun.

What about the players just hitting 50 on their first tune? Or the players who just got their eipic? or..... do I really have to list how many ways a server wipe would be truly bad?

Keep in mind, those examples a re a significant chunk of your currenjt active players. Not the lvl 60's resting in long term parking saying, yeah, wipe it, i'm bored with it anyway.

Try to see outside the bubble, Heathers.

Solution: just wipe the accounts created during the classic era. If you found p99 after kunark, you are safe. Kill the old ones.

[iruinedyourday]

I got yer server wipe right here: Perma-Death server.. you cowards.

[Clark]

Wipe it clean.:cool:

[maskedmelon]

I was thinking more about a second server. He greatest argument against one would be dilution/migration of population especially if launched concurrently with Velious. However I think it would truly be a boon unto the community as a whole.

We'd see many players return: the bored, disillusioned and burned out as well as fresh blood. Some would return to roll on the new server, some to play in the snow and others to resume less congested pre-Veluous endgame as players migrated to Velious content or the new server in a race to dominate the old world again.

There would be a shift in the current player base, but I don't think we'd lose more than 1/3 of current blue pop to a new server. Many would remain for Velious content and as many or more would remain to experience less congested old world content with their established characters. We'd still see new players here as some players would be more eager to experience Velious or prefer the dynamics of a matured server economy/population.

Wipe would suck and I'd probably be done. New server, I'd probably play both ^^

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I got yer server wipe right here: Perma-Death server.. you cowards.

The idea of a perma death server both fascinates me and scares the hell out of me. I *think* it could actually work on a pve server with little changes to what we alredy got, as long as very strict no griefing rules somehow got in place. It would work, and make adventuring something one did only with high degrees of preparation and care. But I could see it actually working. In other words, I think classic eq could actually work on a perma-death model

But damn. I am having a hard time imagining anything more hardcore than a permadeath classic eq server. Only problem would be, what happens to any kind of rez spell? Maybe modify it so you get "revived" as a lvl 5 or something with a cracked staff.

Damn that would be a tough server.

How far would we even get? Guilds would have to travel in packs and develop a system to make sure no one dies if at all possible: evacers in every grp, and so forth.

edit: this would solve the raiding problem of classic eq btw. Guilds would rather not engage an encounter, than risk deleveling amd gear stripping a quarter of their players to lvl 1. Mobs would stay up until people had their execution methods down to a T. One would not stroll into a raid encounter.

Good lord know I am actually thinking about how to play on such a beast. Damn you iruinedyourday, you sure did.