Is it considered boxing:

[Salahdin]

If I ask my brother to log a toon in ( separate locations (by 120kms) and IPs ) and he goes afk while I kill on one toon and he soaks xp.

Not to open a can of worms; but my only thing against this would be if a GM thought you were boxing and asked you to do the "boxing tests" and you'd have to explain to them that the person in your group afking is actually afk and thus not worth the risk?

Where is the line drawn?

[Thulack]

You would probably get banned because there was no way to tell you werent using a VPN or something to change your IP address to another state.

[Othniel626]

Don't think they'd ask if you were boxing if you have separate IPs. I'm pretty sure they only show up if you are on the same IP and you look like you are boxing.

[Thulack]

Don't think they'd ask if you were boxing if you have separate IPs. I'm pretty sure they only show up if you are on the same IP and you look like you are boxing.

If someone petitions saying it looks like they are boxing(1 character never moving could easily constitute this) gm's will look into it. If OP cant get the other toon to move if they have the same IP address or not i would presume they would get banned. I can easily boot up my laptop and change the IP to make it something else if i wanted to. IP's really mean nothing in the scheme of things other then the idiots that dont even try and change it and just box from same IP.

[Othniel626]

That's interesting. Seems harsh of them to do ban people for AFKing during groups. But I see what you mean about tampering with the IP.

[mr_jon3s]

So is it illegal for someone to afk while a friend grinds? Like say you have to go afk for an hour and your friend says its fine for you to stay logged in hes gonna be grinding this camp for a while. Would you get banned for this?

[Thulack]

So is it illegal for someone to afk while a friend grinds? Like say you have to go afk for an hour and your friend says its fine for you to stay logged in hes gonna be grinding this camp for a while. Would you get banned for this?

If someone wanted to report you and GM's came to check i would think yes it is bannable. I'll admit i've grouped with people and went afk before and nothing happened but that could have also been because no one reported us for anything. You would probably be ok if you did it in some out of the way area and didnt fuck anyone over in the process.

[Daldaen]

Yep, stupid people who petition because they are angry with you or for some other reason, are the reason you cannot AFK or possibly risk getting banned.

People really need ot leave 2-box patrolling to GMs and not petition every duo they come across with an AFKed member.

[Tameth]

Yep, stupid people who petition because they are angry with you or for some other reason, are the reason you cannot AFK or possibly risk getting banned.

People really need ot leave 2-box patrolling to GMs and not petition every duo they come across with an AFKed member.

Boxxer!

[Cabkin]

It is not unusual for someone in a group to go AFK while the group continues whatever they were doing. Maybe a simple bio break is interrupted by some kind of family emergency. Even if someone is AFK on purpose just to soak up XP while doing something else, it is certainly no worse than your normal power leveling scenario and absurd to think it is a bannable offense.

[Uuruk]

You would probably get banned because there was no way to tell you werent using a VPN or something to change your IP address to another state.

Na

[Nuggie]

If you get reported and can't pass the box test you will get banned. You can petition it on the forums and get it reversed, however, if you can prove your case. sounds more of a pain in the butt than its worth.

[eqberserk]

WTF is a box test?

[iruinedyourday]

haha how could this be considered boxing? follow this simple rule... dont box, you wont get caught boxing.

[sulpher01]

As with nearly everything on this server its a grey area... do it at your own risk.

[Tankdan]

I know many people that have their spouse/children log in on one computer to mostly AFK, it is allowed from my understanding but it'd be impossible to prove innocence if they're AFK or new to EQ.

WTF is a box test?
They make both characters do figures 8's at same time, or spawn mobs on them and see how they react, all sorts of fun things.

[Susvain2]

thanks for the help dannyl

[Aussie]

What you have described in the OP is not boxing and is not against our rules.

[Zalus]

A coworker and his wife (they did have an IP exemption) were grouped and he went AFK for just a few minutes. As he walked back up to his computer, he saw some tells from a GM. Before he could reply, he was kicked and shortly after that, so was his wife. It took months to get that ban reversed.

[Kreylyn]

A coworker and his wife (they did have an IP exemption) were grouped and he went AFK for just a few minutes. As he walked back up to his computer, he saw some tells from a GM. Before he could reply, he was kicked and shortly after that, so was his wife. It took months to get that ban reversed.

No no no... I thought it was your co worker's wife's brother in law's nephew's friend from out of town who dropped his mouse pad and looked down to pick it up when he saw the tells and got booted. That took years to get fixed... years! In the snow... backwards, both ways!

:rolleyes:

Krey

[Zalus]

No, that was the friend of that other guy. The one that your second cousin told you about. You remember that dude, right?

[captnamazing]

lol, you should be fine. As long as you're logged in from different locations.

[Swish]

That's interesting. Seems harsh of them to do ban people for AFKing during groups. But I see what you mean about tampering with the IP.

I'd rather they were too harsh than too lenient... people will bend the rules as much as they can otherwise.

[Salahdin]

I will petition at the time to let a GM know and if they have a problem with it I guess they can tell me?

Does sound like a they area where you could end up getting banned.

[Stormfists]

If anything all you've achieved in this thread is gained their attention.

No need to box though bud, just do what every other shammy/SK does on the server - get a fungi and refuse to group all the way to 60 =]

[emdubwubwub]

I was duoing with someone that I had just met about 30 minutes ago. We were asked to perform some different movement tasks simultaneously to determine if we were boxing. I suppose we were competing for some spawns and could have been reported, but it just seemed pretty random. Neither of us were AFK for any period really either.

[webrunner5]

If the AFK person is playing a Wizard it will be fine. They are ALWAYS AFK lol. :D Never move.

[Salahdin]

If anything all you've achieved in this thread is gained their attention.

No need to box though bud, just do what every other shammy/SK does on the server - get a fungi and refuse to group all the way to 60 =]

They can watch me all they want lol.

Was asking the question because my brother can play my paladin once he is 40+ and I can play my shaman and kill CoM...coz realisiticlly its better if he doesn't get involved apart from healing/buffing me.

So if he was to be afk 85% of the time it could look like boxing.

[Swish]

Did I ever tell you guys my dog loves EverQuest? Particularly browsing EC auction spam.

[PDX0621]

Any thread or post titled "Is it considered boxing:", the answer is yes. Always yes.

[Samoht]

If I ask my brother to log a toon in ( separate locations (by 120kms) and IPs ) and he goes afk while I kill on one toon and he soaks xp.

Not to open a can of worms; but my only thing against this would be if a GM thought you were boxing and asked you to do the "boxing tests" and you'd have to explain to them that the person in your group afking is actually afk and thus not worth the risk?

Where is the line drawn?

pretty sure you've described exactly how chardok aoe proxy works.

and we could only wish it were against the rules.

[Haynar]

If you look like you are boxing. Someone will report you. You will be watched. And then you will be tested. If you are not found worthy, you will be banned.

If is easy to tell if both tunes always log on and log off at the same time. There is enough of a paper trail to usually uphold any bs trying to overturn the ban.

H

[Eunomia]

People really need ot leave 2-box patrolling to GMs and not petition every duo they come across with an AFKed member.

I know you are a huge help with Nilbog's wish to have a classic Everquest server.

Nilbog also wants no boxing.

We are all volunteers and doing our part to help the server and Nilbog's goals. Official staff can't be everywhere. I expect players to keep their eyes open and report other players breaking the rules. I think it's as much their responsibility to support the server as it is mine.

That being said, please don't waste our time reporting someone just because you are holding a grudge. Also, Auto-following does not always indicate boxing. If you do /petition boxers, please be fairly sure you are witnessing boxing.

Thanks

[Freakish]

Petition boxers, not briefs.

[Swish]

Video evidence helps ^^

[Haynar]

I am pro-boxing. I would never report someone. I saw the same thing on eqlive. There majority were either for or against boxing. There were few in the middle that did not care.

We boxed on raids. The standards were high. If you could not multitask on raids, u could not box. Playing 2 or more chars on same computer is NOT BOXING imho. I call it alt-tabbing. Its lame. Ineffective. And I agree, it should never be allowed.

Alt-tabbers cannot pass tests for boxers.

H

[captnamazing]

haynar:
who is the Muhammad Ali, the Cassius Clay, of p99?

[Haynar]

haynar:
who is the Muhammad Ali, the Cassius Clay, of p99?

No clue. Dont play here or GM here.

H

[drktmplr12]

If someone petitions saying it looks like they are boxing(1 character never moving could easily constitute this) gm's will look into it. If OP cant get the other toon to move if they have the same IP address or not i would presume they would get banned. I can easily boot up my laptop and change the IP to make it something else if i wanted to. IP's really mean nothing in the scheme of things other then the idiots that dont even try and change it and just box from same IP.

I hope you don't think that 'IP' is referring to the local IP of the computer

[Daldaen]

That being said, please don't waste our time reporting someone just because you are holding a grudge. Also, Auto-following does not always indicate boxing. If you do /petition boxers, please be fairly sure you are witnessing boxing.

Thanks
This needs to be stressed.

Too often people just get rustled that the camp they want is taken and they see it being duoed by two people, one of whom is AFK, and they immediately run off and claim boxing.

People have a witch hunt mentality about boxing here and it's unfortunate. If you see something legitimately fishy, fine. But if you see one caster AFK medding and his duo partner doing other stuff, it isn't always a boxer.

[Swish]

People have a witch hunt mentality about boxing here and it's unfortunate.

No it isn't. You can choose from any other non-P99 emulated EverQuest server out there if you want to 2-box, 3-box, 12-box.

Plenty of choice. Give PEQ a try, give one of the Al'Kabor revival servers a try.

Part of the winning formula for P99 is the fact that boxing isn't allowed here.

[Greymantle]

I always looked at boxing as a person using an extra account to take on content that couldn't otherwise be done. I now realize my view was not correct in that there is other views that people have that they feel is boxing that can get you banned.

[Clasick]

I always looked at boxing as a person using an extra account to take on content that couldn't otherwise be done. I now realize my view was not correct in that there is other views that people have that they feel is boxing that can get you banned.

Holy shit man, let it go.

1.) No no cares what your interpretation of 2 boxing is. It is stated in the rules you are not allowed to control 2 characters at the same time.
2.) When you put in the petition for the IP exemption these rules were again highlighted
3.) The GM's can see (and are alerted i'm guessing) as soon as someone logs on 2 accounts from the same PC. I've seen a guildie popped for this before and the GM was there near instantly when he logged in the other toon
4.) Your accounts are suspended for 30 days not banned. If you account(s) have been banned this is not your first offence 2 boxing and you should know better; that or you have acted like a tool and been disrespectful to the GM's.
5.) Making this all public and constant whining on the forums is hurting your case with the GM's (trust me on this one)
6.) You broke the rules, you got caught, stop the bullshit and keep on with the few shreds of dignity you have left.

I am truly apathetic to your wife condition and I feel for you.

With that said have a good hard look in the mirror and ask yourself why you would use your wife's illness to try and manipulate people on an elf simulator... that's the most fucked up part of the whole thing IMO

<3

[Daldaen]

No it isn't. You can choose from any other non-P99 emulated EverQuest server out there if you want to 2-box, 3-box, 12-box.

Plenty of choice. Give PEQ a try, give one of the Al'Kabor revival servers a try.

Part of the winning formula for P99 is the fact that boxing isn't allowed here.

And that's a fine opinion to have.

But that doesn't mean every time you go out and group you need to petition a random AFKed caster medding cause OH MY GOD THEY COULD BE BOXING HOLY SHIT, MUST PETITION.

Too many act as overzealous Hall Monitors. Not enough act like reasonable humans who don't petition until they see something more suspicious than "One guy is sitting doing nothing while the other guy is fighting".

[Duncon]

I am truly apathetic to your wife condition and I feel for you.


haha

[Madbad]

that made me lol too

[Greymantle]

Holy shit man, let it go.

1.) No no cares what your interpretation of 2 boxing is. It is stated in the rules you are not allowed to control 2 characters at the same time.
2.) When you put in the petition for the IP exemption these rules were again highlighted
3.) The GM's can see (and are alerted i'm guessing) as soon as someone logs on 2 accounts from the same PC. I've seen a guildie popped for this before and the GM was there near instantly when he logged in the other toon
4.) Your accounts are suspended for 30 days not banned. If you account(s) have been banned this is not your first offence 2 boxing and you should know better; that or you have acted like a tool and been disrespectful to the GM's.
5.) Making this all public and constant whining on the forums is hurting your case with the GM's (trust me on this one)
6.) You broke the rules, you got caught, stop the bullshit and keep on with the few shreds of dignity you have left.

I am truly apathetic to your wife condition and I feel for you.

With that said have a good hard look in the mirror and ask yourself why you would use your wife's illness to try and manipulate people on an elf simulator... that's the most fucked up part of the whole thing IMO

<3

The thread is it considered boxing. As you can see there are people that don't understand what boxing is and I replied to it with what I understood it to be. My whole point is it's not so black and white that some of you think it is. As to my wife I never mentioned her you did. Good day!

[Daldaen]

It is black and white though.

IF - # Characters Logged In > # Human Beings Sitting at Computers

THEN - Initiate Ban Sequence

[Greymantle]

It is black and white though.

IF - # Characters Logged In > # Human Beings Sitting at Computers

THEN - Initiate Ban Sequence

As someone else said suspended not banned. :P

[PDX0621]

It is black and white though.

IF - # Characters Logged In > # Human Beings Sitting at Computers

THEN - Initiate Ban Sequence

Bu bu but, I gots bands, so there must be infinitely more ways to interpret or read into and break down every rule in hopes of finding a loop hole or excuse / acception. Get over yourself already. I'm embarrassed for you Greymantle.

[Daldaen]

As someone else said suspended not banned. :P


It is black and white though.

IF - # Characters Logged In > # Human Beings Sitting at Computers

THEN - Initiate Ban Sequence

Intiate Ban Sequence:

IF - Previous Offenses = 0

THEN - 30 Day Suspension

ELSE - Previous Offenses > 0

THEN - BanHammer

[Greymantle]

It is black and white though.

IF - # Characters Logged In > # Human Beings Sitting at Computers

THEN - Initiate Ban Sequence

Intiate Ban Sequence:

IF - Previous Offenses = 0

THEN - 30 Day Suspension

ELSE - Previous Offenses > 0

THEN - BanHammer

I get it now. It's to bad you were not there the other day to enlighten me before I made my mistake.

[Greymantle]

Bu bu but, I gots bands, so there must be infinitely more ways to interpret or read into and break down every rule in hopes of finding a loop hole or excuse / acception. Get over yourself already. I'm embarrassed for you Greymantle.

I will strive to be more perfect for you next time sorry to let you down.

[PDX0621]

I will strive to be more perfect for you next time sorry to let you down.

I'm sure the next time you do let me down you'll have a perfectly orchestrated excuse or health problem to blame it on too.

[Greymantle]

I'm sure the next time you do let me down you'll have a perfectly orchestrated excuse or health problem to blame it on too.

Well then it's best we part ways now sad as it makes me feel.

[drktmplr12]

It is black and white though.

IF - # Characters Logged In > # Human Beings Sitting at Computers

THEN - Initiate Ban Sequence

Intiate Ban Sequence:

IF - Previous Offenses = 0

THEN - 30 Day Suspension

ELSE - Previous Offenses > 0

THEN - BanHammer

what happens when Previous Offenses = -1? :D

[Daldaen]

what happens when Previous Offenses = -1? :D

Invalid Input.

Domain of "Previous Offense" is positive integers only.

[Coffee]

Funny, blue population is basically 50% players 50% afk toons.

[myriverse]

Invalid Input.

Domain of "Previous Offense" is positive integers only.
No. "Non-negative." Zero is neither positive nor negative. But yeah, -1 would be invalid.

Funny, blue population is basically 50% players 50% afk toons.
There's no crime in being afk.

[Daldaen]

Touché!