Overcrowded

[lodgedogg]

The blue server is way to overcrowded to get anything real done during primetime they either need to make another blue server or figure something out

[Oleris]

just need to wait until velious release, should be soon™

[sulpher01]

This isn't even close to overcrowded...

[lodgedogg]

make a new char and play any dungeon from 5-35 and say that again during prime time

[lodgedogg]

and bards take all the normal zones

[wormed]

make a new char and play any dungeon from 5-35 and say that again during prime time

You mean you're getting that true classic experience? :p Not that I don't feel your pain as I ignored Unrest and Mistmoore (so far) because of your exact complaint. However, I'm not sure it's due to overcrowding or due to some very ridiculous "camps." For example, in HHK, there used to be like 4 camps running on classic. On p99, there is 1... and only 1 allowed... ever.

So, things are just different when it comes to that I think. I don't agree that it is overcrowded though. I definitely experienced a very, very, crowded Innoruuk back in my day.

[lodgedogg]

well i played in 1999 on a red server and we didnt have that problem because it was till back when u could take a piece of gear so we fought for our camps and there just werent as many people on the server but this red server all u can lose is money so idont see a point in playing on it much

[Lifebar]

For example, in HHK, there used to be like 4 camps running on classic. On p99, there is 1... and only 1 allowed... ever.

On classic I remember the 4 goblin camps being the main room, 1st side room, WAR room, and raider room. That first side room has two goddamn mobs in it on like an 8-12(?) minute timer--and there was a list. That is overcrowding. I like it here.

[kildone]

The main difference of course is in the gear folks have when you talk about a camp like HHK.

[Salahdin]

This isn't even close to overcrowded...

Yep.
Anyone remember sitting in OT in a que for xp groups??

You'd be 3rd inline for an hour+ just for 1 group spot..

[Salahdin]

Also people only hug xp highway zones.

There are sooooooo many alternatives 1-50.

[sulpher01]

I was thinking more of the 25 man queue for frenzy in guk hehe...

OP saying hes from a red server explains it though, he has no idea what overcrowded is lol

[phacemeltar]

stop being a pussy and roll red. i got 35 lvls on 3 toons in 3 weeks with the op xp boost

[lodgedogg]

why would i want to play on a pussy ass red server with xp bonuses and no looting an item like you could on live?

[Oleris]

why would i want to play on a pussy ass red server with xp bonuses and no looting an item like you could on live?

level 1 epic if girl.

[phacemeltar]

why would i want to play on a pussy ass red server with xp bonuses and no looting an item like you could on live?

why in the heck are you asking me?!?

PS - xp bonuses are "temporary"

[khanable]

plenty of room to stretch your legs on red

[Swish]

48-50 in KC tonight at 9pm EST.

Thriving.

[lodgedogg]

lmao im not a girl no epic for me lol. Trust me if you could take one unbagged item like original i would be there all day every day

[khanable]

lmao im not a girl no epic for me lol. Trust me if you could take one unbagged item like original i would be there all day every day

you can take their coin and their dignity though, arguably better! :D

[lodgedogg]

nothing is better than flaunting their gear in front of them

[iruinedyourday]

™

[Rararboker]

lmao im not a girl no epic for me lol. Trust me if you could take one unbagged item like original i would be there all day every day

The way you bitch and whine I feel like this can't be true. You must be a girl.

[indiscriminate_hater]

damn bards took our jerbs

[myriverse]

Yep.
Anyone remember sitting in OT in a que for xp groups??

You'd be 3rd inline for an hour+ just for 1 group spot..
True dat. I remember days not being able to play because I waited and waited until it was time for bed.

Re: bards
They don't take your mobs. They deliver them.

[Fanguru]

Classic was indeed overcrowded.
However, people here are overtwinked and know a lot about the game, making them more efficient.
1 group on p99 can easily hold what 2 groups would do on live.

If we could start by removing the silly epic MQs at level 1, leveling would feel a bit more classic.

That being said, people who complain about the server being overcrowded usually stay on the beaten path and only go to the most popular leveling spots. At 50+ there aren't many possibilities, but until 50 you have tons of opportunities to level up without anyone near you.

[Connecticut]

I disagree.

If anything I would like to see a more populous P99 server!

[Nottan]

Classic was indeed overcrowded.
However, people here are overtwinked and know a lot about the game, making them more efficient.
1 group on p99 can easily hold what 2 groups would do on live.

If we could start by removing the silly epic MQs at level 1, leveling would feel a bit more classic.

That being said, people who complain about the server being overcrowded usually stay on the beaten path and only go to the most popular leveling spots. At 50+ there aren't many possibilities, but until 50 you have tons of opportunities to level up without anyone near you.

I agree with this to an extent. But even off the beaten path is getting rough now with 1500+ on at primetime. The outdoor zones are all being swarmed by bards 24/7 and the indoors are crowded as hell. Unrest/MM/Guk/HHK will always be crowded but even places like SolA are seeing a ton of people. The places with low pop are generally people being PL'd as well, which makes them uncampable for actual leveling groups.

[Sampten]

I agree with this to an extent. But even off the beaten path is getting rough now with 1500+ on at primetime. The outdoor zones are all being swarmed by bards 24/7 and the indoors are crowded as hell. Unrest/MM/Guk/HHK will always be crowded but even places like SolA are seeing a ton of people. The places with low pop are generally people being PL'd as well, which makes them uncampable for actual leveling groups.

There are certain zones in this game that still largely remain untouched. People are too focused on what loot drops rather than venturing to zones just for a crawl.

Najena and Befallen are generally empty
Dalnir remains primarily empty
Kaesora is often empty
The Hole is largely empty
Nobody goes to Nurga and short of SS/Ledge Droga is empty
Kedge and Perma remain generally empty
I could continue but you get the point.

Some of these places offer little/no loot, but can be a fun group crawl. In addition some of those zones have XP modifiers.

While I agree that places like Seb and KC remain packed, there are other options out there for all level ranges.

If you want to make the argument that a lot quality gear camps are perma-camped, well that's a different conversation to be had.

[Catashe]

I think its mostly because the server is mostly top heavy and stays that way. If it was live either people at max level would just not do anything or have plenty of alts which would then fill the 1-50 game so you would have the low level dungeons filled besides just Mistmoore and Unrest(sometimes not all the time). Except theres either not enough people on the server to match live or people just don't do the "multiple alt" thing like they did on live.

[Daldaen]

I agree with this to an extent. But even off the beaten path is getting rough now with 1500+ on at primetime. The outdoor zones are all being swarmed by bards 24/7 and the indoors are crowded as hell. Unrest/MM/Guk/HHK will always be crowded but even places like SolA are seeing a ton of people. The places with low pop are generally people being PL'd as well, which makes them uncampable for actual leveling groups.

And by "the outdoor zones" you mean, some mobs 5 zones (East Karana, Overthere, Burning Woods, Lake of Ill Omen and occasionally South Karana).

Befallen
Gorge of King Xorbb
Runnyeye
Sol A
Kedge
Dalnir
Kaesora
Splitpaw
Cazic Thule
Blackburrow
Permafrost
Nurga
Droga

All those dungeons have like 1-2 people camping certain drops. Very rarely are there full groups there. Sol A is the only one listed where I've seen multiple groups present.

People stick too closely to the Easymode zones. Zones with casters or pose some other challenge people avoid.

The population can sustain another 500 in Kunark. Come Velious it could sustain another 1500~ I imagine.

The Sim Repop on Saturday brought the population up to like 1600-1700~.

[dafier]

I do not believe Velious is going to 'fix' this problem about the population. This server is top heavy and Velious has a LOT to offer but with the amount of farmers out there, it's going to ruin the game if you keep making everything NOT no drop.

It's so bad that geared, high level toons are farming low level zones for extra PP (very little). This is killing good experiences for new people like me to P99.

On live, there was a thing called /shout or /ooc and a high level that entered zone would use that and say something like "Camp check". It was a courteous thing. That isn't happening. High levels are simply running past your group and killing everything in their path or stealing your xp mobs in order to look for a named or get that quick kill/loot then leave.

THAT'S the bad part of the over crowding I see. Maybe at higher levels I will see something else in which I can contribute to this thread.

EDIT:
Forgive me, I don't mean to bash anyone nor the server. I simply see stuff on this server that I do not recall on Live. Such as selling items that should be No Drop items. I am sure there is a reason behind this but I can't imagine why this is occurring. It's about Risk vs Reward and there is none if everything is for sale.

[Atmas]

The server is very top heavy, which results in too much stuff being contested in certain spots. Also lower level characters have much better gear at this point then they did on live, so they kill much more.

Velious will help a lot of these issues.

[dafier]

There are certain zones in this game that still largely remain untouched. People are too focused on what loot drops rather than venturing to zones just for a crawl.

If you want to make the argument that a lot quality gear camps are perma-camped, well that's a different conversation to be had.

You're last statement is an easy fix. Make those sought after items, No Drop. DONE!

I remember on Live having a level 60 Enchanter in Kunark. Before Velious was released I made a Mage. I was only 34 or 35 when Velious was released, but got to 60 with him too.

I didn't simply run around camping anything and everything with either of my characters, I helped my guildies out a lot with quests or leveling or whatever. It seems as if this server has nothing but a bunch of campers on it always looking to reach a million platinum!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrGQwMGqE-I

[dafier]

The server is very top heavy, which results in too much stuff being contested in certain spots. Also lower level characters have much better gear at this point then they did on live, so they kill much more.

Velious will help a lot of these issues.

I understand that Velious adds more content and therefore current camped stuff will slack a bit, but still. I am thinking about end game. When I reach level 60 am I going to get in to a guild that has the potential to do Planes + all other but can't because 1, 2, 3 or 4 guild have XXXXXX ALWAYS CAMPED!

I think I am a broken record.

[fadetree]

You're last statement is an easy fix. Make those sought after items, No Drop. DONE!

No. Not classic. DONE!

[Daldaen]

Well the good thing about Velious is, best in slot are all no drop items.

Whereas in Kunark, I think probably half of the slots for most classes have a tradeable BIS item.

This makes Platinum less useful than your DKP or Merit or Brown-nosing or whatever gets you loot in your guild's system. People won't be able to simply buy everything. Currently you can even buy the no drop loot rights. With the number of alt's people have and the amount of gear people want, buying loot rights on no drops won't happen for quite some time.

So though you may be able to farm millions of Platinum, it will be a long while before you can purchase a Dain Head Loot rights or even a Vindi BP.

[Herp]

I think its mostly because the server is mostly top heavy and stays that way
This is the issue. When Velious launched, most people werent even 60. Not only is this server larger, but its top heavy. People saying its not overcrowded compared to classic are mistaken.

[dafier]

No. Not classic. DONE!

P99 isn't exactly classic. There are a LIST of changes. Minor they may be to some...either way it's not exactly classic.

Cheers :D

[EQJubilee]

This is the issue. When Velious launched, most people werent even 60. Not only is this server larger, but its top heavy. People saying its not overcrowded compared to classic are mistaken.

Hopefully when Velious launches they launch a second Blue server and all the neckbeards stay on the current server allowing a better play experience for the rest of us on the new server.

[Nirgon]

Are you all familiar with leap frogging dragons in temple of veeshan?

Might want to see what that's all about if you're new to blue server raiding ToV.

[Ishbu]

This seems a bit of an over reaction. Last few days the population has been really crowded in zones up through all level ranges. Most of the time everything is fine if you move past the same 5 zones. Non issue at this time.

[dafier]

Hopefully when Velious launches they launch a second Blue server and all the neckbeards stay on the current server allowing a better play experience for the rest of us on the new server.


I am all for a 2nd server.

[Loke]

This simply isnt true. In over 4 years of playing here and having leveled probably a dozen different characters (four of which are 60), I cannot think of a single time I've logged in with the intent to grind EXP and not been able to find somewhere to do it. You might not get your first, second or even 20th choice for camps, but if your goal is exp there are countless places to do it. I've been PLing some friends recently and routinely find empty zones where we're able to take 3 or 4 camps because everyone in that level range is sitting LFG in MM or arguing in OOC with bards in OT. Even in popular zones like KC I've almost never had a problem finding a couple out of the way mobs to casually solo on my monk.

The server isnt overcrowded because you can't get the frenzy or ancient cyclops camp when you log in for a couple hours each week during prime time, just like a football stadium isn't overcrowded because you don't have seats 25 rows up on the 50 yard line. EQ is a game where people compete for limited resources, if you can't figure out how to do that or simply don't want to I suggest you find a game more in tune with your playstyle.

[indiscriminate_hater]

I am all for a 2nd server.

does anyone realize that this won't solve anything? if neckbeards see an open server with no neckbeads currently on it, they'll switch over to the new one. it's simple diffusion, the path of least resistance to pixels.

at the very best it'll half the amount of no-lifes on the server, but then you're just left with half the amount of cool people. at the worst more people than before will step up and grow out their neck hair to fill in the ranks. you're likely gonna have a much more rampant RMT problem on a new server, as well

[Daldaen]

does anyone realize that this won't solve anything? if neckbeards see an open server with no neckbeads currently on it, they'll switch over to the new one. it's simple diffusion, the path of least resistance to pixels.

at the very best it'll half the amount of no-lifes on the server, but then you're just left with half the amount of cool people. at the worst more people than before will step up and grow out their neck hair to fill in the ranks. you're likely gonna have a much more rampant RMT problem on a new server, as well

If you put Class C on one server and Class R on another server. It would solve things... Atleast up to the point where one Class C guild is getting crushed and they reroll on the Class R server, level up and start pooping in a sock.

[Glenzig]

If you put Class C on one server and Class R on another server. It would solve things... Atleast up to the point where one Class C guild is getting crushed and they reroll on the Class R server, level up and start pooping in a sock.

Pretty sure they have already stated that the next server will be teams pvp.

[kaev]

does anyone realize that this won't solve anything? if neckbeards see an open server with no neckbeads currently on it, they'll switch over to the new one. it's simple diffusion, the path of least resistance to pixels.

at the very best it'll half the amount of no-lifes on the server, but then you're just left with half the amount of cool people. at the worst more people than before will step up and grow out their neck hair to fill in the ranks. you're likely gonna have a much more rampant RMT problem on a new server, as well

If they open a second blue server without enforcing a rule prohibiting playing both servers at once, a policy that seems highly unlikely to be implemented, you'll just have neckbeard_143829 simultaneously solo camping heiro cloak with their 60 shaman on one server and SMR with their 50 necro on the other (or whatever.)

[skipdog]

This simply isnt true. In over 4 years of playing here and having leveled probably a dozen different characters (four of which are 60), I cannot think of a single time I've logged in with the intent to grind EXP and not been able to find somewhere to do it. You might not get your first, second or even 20th choice for camps, but if your goal is exp there are countless places to do it. I've been PLing some friends recently and routinely find empty zones where we're able to take 3 or 4 camps because everyone in that level range is sitting LFG in MM or arguing in OOC with bards in OT. Even in popular zones like KC I've almost never had a problem finding a couple out of the way mobs to casually solo on my monk.

The server isnt overcrowded because you can't get the frenzy or ancient cyclops camp when you log in for a couple hours each week during prime time, just like a football stadium isn't overcrowded because you don't have seats 25 rows up on the 50 yard line. EQ is a game where people compete for limited resources, if you can't figure out how to do that or simply don't want to I suggest you find a game more in tune with your playstyle.

Best post I've seen in this thread.

[indiscriminate_hater]

If you put Class C on one server and Class R on another server. It would solve things... Atleast up to the point where one Class C guild is getting crushed and they reroll on the Class R server, level up and start pooping in a sock.

that's not a solution though, that's a band-aid that would work for a short while before both servers devolved back into what they used to be.

one major thing holding back potential neckbeards from joining the raid circus on p99 is the sheer number of others already doing it and willing to put in more hours. if you lower that number by half, more will eventually fill the ranks. this is the reason why velious isn't going to fix anything long-term. we're just going to hit a new equilibrium

[Llodd]

1 server for neckbeard train war poop fest
1 server for casual scrum that have a life. All mobs rotated

All classic angles covered

[dafier]

1 server for neckbeard train war poop fest
1 server for casual scrum that have a life. All mobs rotated

All classic angles covered

Agreed!

GIVE THIS PERSON 9 million XP!

[loramin]

1 server for neckbeard train war poop fest
1 server for casual scrum that have a life. All mobs rotated

does anyone realize that this won't solve anything? if neckbeards see an open server with no neckbeads currently on it, they'll switch over to the new one. it's simple diffusion, the path of least resistance to pixels.

[Blitzers]

The biggest problem I see is people who are LFG have no drive to start there own group. There have been countless times I run into KC and see 5-10 people LFG. I do a CC then I start inviting people to group and we go wherever we can. If all camps are taken GO TO THE HOLE. Great XP and fat lewts for ya and plenty of mobs, no one is ever there. Sitting around LFG bitching is ridiculous there's plenty of content out there that's practically untouched because too many of the entitlement babies want there groups covered with chocolate and a bow on top. Omg I'm scared I might have to CR my pixels back ooooooOooooooo

[curtischoy]

Why would anyone want to go to the hole? A huge place that maybe has 1-2 groups in it at a time, good exp, and great possibilities for gear that sells well?

[captnamazing]

You haven't experienced overcrowded until you wait in line for the soup kitchens out of the Cabilis monk guild

[Ravager]

Pretty sure they have already stated that the next server will be teams pvp.

I have no interest in the red server, but I would certainly play teams. Hope it isn't far behind Velious.

[Blitzers]

if u split the blue server up or open another blue server u will have 2 servers feeling extremely empty alotta the low levels your mains group with are people who have level 60s and are playing there alt. The population on blue is great, I wouldnt mind seeing it upwards of 2500 peeps on. Content void of peeps sucks that's what ruined live for me. The damn bazaar emptied out NFP on veeshan and most of Norrath. I love seeing Orc 1 & 2 bustling with lowbies, brings back good memories. If u can't get into an Orc camp In EC go to SRO 28 orcs split into like 6 different camps there. That's where I PL all my alts and rarely does anyone even go there

[Ravager]

if u split the blue server up or open another blue server u will have 2 servers feeling extremely empty alotta the low levels your mains group with are people who have level 60s and are playing there alt. The population on blue is great, I wouldnt mind seeing it upwards of 2500 peeps on. Content void of peeps sucks that's what ruined live for me. The damn bazaar emptied out NFP on veeshan and most of Norrath. I love seeing Orc 1 & 2 bustling with lowbies, brings back good memories. If u can't get into an Orc camp In EC go to SRO 28 orcs split into like 6 different camps there. That's where I PL all my alts and rarely does anyone even go there

Two blue servers probably wouldn't affect the populations on either very much considering people would be playing both simultaneously and the fresh server would draw in more players. The only thing that could hurt the population is if both used the same ruleset.

[Sampten]

You're last statement is an easy fix. Make those sought after items, No Drop. DONE!

I remember on Live having a level 60 Enchanter in Kunark. Before Velious was released I made a Mage. I was only 34 or 35 when Velious was released, but got to 60 with him too.

I didn't simply run around camping anything and everything with either of my characters, I helped my guildies out a lot with quests or leveling or whatever. It seems as if this server has nothing but a bunch of campers on it always looking to reach a million platinum!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrGQwMGqE-I

Nah, don't need to be no drop. Put in the trivial loot code (TLC) which was on the FV server. If it's green and doesn't give XP, the item is trivial and there's a message and it's not there.

[iruinedyourday]

You haven't experienced overcrowded until you wait in line for the soup kitchens out of the Cabilis monk guild

I would like to see a player run event where all the monks do something together at same time...

Like human monk vs iksar monk battle royal in an arena

requirements are that cryo looking robe or something just to make them all more twinsie as possible.

[Blitzers]

Two blue servers probably wouldn't affect the populations on either very much considering people would be playing both simultaneously and the fresh server would draw in more players. The only thing that could hurt the population is if both used the same ruleset.

I don't think there is that many people that would play 2 servers at the same time. Not saying they don't exist I just don't think it's enough to make a big difference in server population.

I remember veeshan having over over 100 peeps in South Karana that was awesome. PCBankers would come and offer 10% conversion rate GSC to plat fun times

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater View Post
does anyone realize that this won't solve anything? if neckbeards see an open server with no neckbeads currently on it, they'll switch over to the new one. it's simple diffusion, the path of least resistance to pixels.

I assume this is your answer to how it wouldnt work. It wasn't particulary clear or even a decent counter argument. Ya got nuthin

[indiscriminate_hater]

i think we can all agree that the server needs more bards to hold us all together

[Vorkon]

i think we can all agree that the server needs more bards to hold us all together

I think '/who all Bard 10 50' shows about 50 of'em zone kiting in Overthere. So there will be a fresh batch of 60's for when Velious is released.

[loramin]

I remember veeshan having over over 100 peeps in South Karana that was awesome. PCBankers would come and offer 10% conversion rate GSC to plat fun times

That sounds horrific to me.

I assume this is your answer to how it wouldnt work. It wasn't particulary clear or even a decent counter argument. Ya got nuthin
Wait, so your refutation to Hater's point (not even mine) is that it wasn't "a decent counter argument" ... and nothing else? That's your "decent" counter argument to his point? It was the logical equivalent of "no you're wrong!" C'mon, even a 3rd grader could provide a more sophisticated response.

Look it's really not hard to understand: you can't make a server only for one group of people and not for another. If you do the "neckbeards" will just play on both servers, and there's nothing you can possibly do to prevent that short of whitelisting who gets to play on a given server.

Either way though the entire thing is moot: P99 is not getting a new server until the Teams Server (and god only knows when that will arrive).

[Teppler]

If you think 1-35 is crowded, wait till you get 50+. The server is too crowded with upper level chars.

[Buhbuh]

Join Red

Current guilds recruiting:

Holocaust: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164414
Friends: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183515
Fresh: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171751
Azrael: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179515
The Curse: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185541

[Buhbuh]

Lot smaller population on Red99, bros. Some high end zones are open all day. Fast leveling, usually fast gearing if you're a proactive/ dedicated player.

It's not that bad starting over. Several TMO pals have come over to Holocaust and are doing pretty well - most have at least 1 PD loot.

I see someone complaining about no item loot, and yet the alternative is to not kill anyone at all? If you're so into PvP, that makes no sense.

[Swish]

VP should be seen, if no other reason... go for the raiding, stay for the pvp ;)

[Ravager]

Personally, I think the population is perfect right now. No matter what level, there's always a group to be had in any part of the world you please. Sure the popular camps are camped all the time, but it was that way in classic, that's just a feature of the game.

What I love about it is the popular places are crowded enough that it's easier to build an adventuring group that are more willing to do things like kill the orcs in LFay, the minotaurs in Steamfont, the goblins in Dagnor's, the corrupted in Dalnir's, and the insubstantial in The Hole.

[Confit]

On classic I remember the 4 goblin camps being the main room, 1st side room, WAR room, and raider room. That first side room has two goddamn mobs in it on like an 8-12(?) minute timer--and there was a list. That is overcrowding. I like it here.

I remember this too! I was very happy to get in that side room with 2 mobs lol.

[Llodd]

Wait, so your refutation to Hater's point (not even mine) is that it wasn't "a decent counter argument" ... and nothing else? That's your "decent" counter argument to his point? It was the logical equivalent of "no you're wrong!" C'mon, even a 3rd grader could provide a more sophisticated response.

Yeah even a 3rd grader, whatever that is I'm guessing primary school age but whatever, could write their own shit.


Look it's really not hard to understand: you can't make a server only for one group of people and not for another. If you do the "neckbeards" will just play on both servers, and there's nothing you can possibly do to prevent that short of whitelisting who gets to play on a given server.

Actually yes you can. Obviously this doesn't mean they wont go there; and whilst you could probably stop that happening somewhat it doesn't mean it wouldn't work to an extent for a variety of reasons. If you really think a fully rotated server would end up being exactly how the current one is, then I really can't say anything more to you.

Either way though the entire thing is moot: P99 is not getting a new server until the Teams Server (and god only knows when that will arrive).

It's only moot if you can't see past the short term. Which on p99 will be most people's mid-long term.

[Lorian]

Not massively overcrowded compared to classic, i beg to differ! We live in a different world now and comparing old numbers with new numbers is like comparing apples to pears.

A server of 1500 users during prime time where everyone is wearing decent to excellent gear and knows everything about every single pixel in the game would correspond to having like 4-5000 simultaneous users back on live 2000 where most people were clueless and wearing cloth and leather.

I would like to use an analogy with hunter-gatherer societies and the extinction of species, when their hunting gear and skills became more refined their population exploded, mammoths went by-by and the hunters needed needed vast territories to sustain their new lifestyle. And start killing rivals for the pray (P99 Red)

Velious will hardly solve the overcrowding issue, I'm pretty sure that even with Luclin added most the good hunting grounds would be camped during prime time. Yes, you can hunt in poor xp/loot areas but people want to play the game feeling they are effective even if they ultimately are doing it for fun. With the incredible knowledge from the wiki and forums that the players enjoy today there will never be a 'classic' feeling of discovery and adventure.

Fortunately I live in the UK and can enjoy a few hours of relatively decent access to the good spots during Saturdays and Sundays. :)

[Swish]

Fortunately I live in the UK and can enjoy a few hours of relatively decent access to the good spots during Saturdays and Sundays. :)

It can be good to be in Europe sometimes for sure... we need to kidnap Rogean and move him here for those Sunday night repops :D

[douglas1999]

I can't believe Kunark was only out on live for about 7 months before Velious launched.. compared to.. what four years now here? With the population as knowledgeable as this too.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Well, we could actually ask for facts. As in actual numbers.

What was the avg prime time (5pm est - 2am est) population in March of 2012, 2013, and 2014 compared to 2015?

That would give us.... an objective answer.

(My data tech advisor, Raj, gives us a 33.33% -- repeating of course -- increase. There are roughly 400 more players online now than those years' avg. That is not insignificant.)

And those who are saying Velious will change things are either trolling, or really stupid. There are roughly 4,500 accounts dormant currently, all "waiting for Velious." After Velious is released, I estimate daily server pops will be around 7k

Should drop back down to our current 1200-1400 population within a year or two, tho

[Grizzled]

If you believe there needs to be more blue servers, there is one way to accomplish this.

Start your own server. Use p99 database. Pay for the hosting and bandwidth. And beg p99 staff to let it be an official second server. Iron out other details.

People seem to forget.p99 staff are a group of guys who want classic EQ as it was. Keeping people happy is second, or possibly lower on the list.

Me personally I dont see why they are so nice to peeps who rmt and multibox. Those people do not deserve to be here.

[lodgedogg]

Im so tired of hearing people bitch about rmt and boxing let me give you a little nostalgia for you that shit all happened at launch and was not a bannable offence people actually used to use websites like ebay to do it. This is going to happen no matter what there is no way to shut it down and there never will be. Does it ruin the economy? of course, will it ever change? not at all people will always find a way to do it.

Now as for this Red server all i have been hearing is stay away from any noob zone with a high ZeM if you want to live is this true? Is it possible to get along on there starting this late and not want to /wrist every day from twinks ganking you just because youre rocking you cloth gear you found?

[Monty405]

Yes, you can hunt in poor xp/loot areas but people want to play the game feeling they are effective even if they ultimately are doing it for fun.


Although I agree that places like Mistmoore offer great ZEM and level ranges for groups I have to say that going on a waiting list for one, two or even three hours to *maybe* get a group invite if the list had been maintained or even honoured is not an effective use of time.

I would much rather hunt in large outdoor zones which can support several parties. Even though there may be no ZEM you can grab other lfg people and kill some stuff instead of all being on a single wait list to join that one group in mistmoore.

[Ele]

On classic I remember the 4 goblin camps being the main room, 1st side room, WAR room, and raider room. That first side room has two goddamn mobs in it on like an 8-12(?) minute timer--and there was a list. That is overcrowding. I like it here.

HHK camps on Prexus, 40+ people on the regular, during prime time:

Guards in courtyard / bard
Nobles
Guards indoors
Captain downstairs
Main goblin room
War room
Raider room
Side room could be a single camp or split between a group and a solo/duo. If the main room was lucky, they got all of it.

SolB would have 80-100 people in it. Full groups would camp 1-6 spawns.

Lower Guk you could walk around without seeing a single mob and 120 people waiting for respawns as a group of 6 camped a single room with 3-6 spawns.

Sebilis would have 100-120 routinely during primetime.
the 2 entry mobs (solo/duo'd)
entry hallway
rock hallway
upper zone out (UZO)
disco 1
disco 2 (completely separate camps)
bugs
crypt
emp (separate camp)
jail
chef
sewer / lower zone out (LZO)
shrooms / spore king (you camped his room, sometimes 2 groups would be required to hold it)
juggs

[Nirgon]

You need a classic timeline

The casuals are all 60 and very demanding

Come to red, where there's no variance, it isn't completely overfarmed (for now) and if you think you deserve content more than someone you can rally an army and try to take it

Inb4 Holo gets all the PDs (no one on the live timeline had 40+ PD kills pre-Velious, why is this a measure of success vs total failure for Kunark era)...

We don't get every Tranix or Ragefire etc... epic mobs are left up (Hi2u Verina Tomb)

Your solution is to learn to enjoy some pvp on a less than over farmed/over crowded server. It is no longer a ghost town as compared to before. Top pals have been working their asses off handing out epics as incentive to come play red... get yours.. you don't have to completely quit blue to do it. Within 2 months, I am sure you will want to stay.

Blue RNF is a snooze fest compared to the days of old. Red RNF is full of luls. Oh yeah no variance.

[Ravager]

It all comes down to poor game design. Half the content doesn't get used as it was intended. How many people here crawled Kedge? Cazic Thule? Grouped in Dagnor's? Did you know there's a named snake in Dagnor's that drops an instant heal/rune pot? Who goes to Dalnir other than to farm Crescent for their iksar monk alt? Who uses Chardok for anything other than ae exploits? Who uses Skyfire, EJ and TT for exp groups like they do OT, DL?

There's plenty of game world to support a much larger population, there's just not enough in it to incentivize straying from the beaten path, especially when everyone has instructions to get what they want in the fastest way possible.

Velious won't change things, it'll just shift the crowds from one place to another and over half the content will still be unused. Adding 30 zones to every expansion is what killed EQ. They should have instead focused on adding content to the world they already created.

[loramin]

There's plenty of game world to support a much larger population, there's just not enough in it to incentivize straying from the beaten path, especially when everyone has instructions to get what they want in the fastest way possible.

This was a known issue on live, and they solved it (or at least tried to) with zone exp modifiers. I really wish the devs would consider adjusting those here (and then publicizing the changes) to increase the ZEM of un-used zones like Cazic Thule and Dagnor's and reduce the ZEM of zones like Unrest and Karnor's. Such a change would be 100% classic in spirit and could really help spread the population out.

[Rararboker]

It all comes down to poor game design. Half the content doesn't get used as it was intended. How many people here crawled Kedge? Cazic Thule? Grouped in Dagnor's? Did you know there's a named snake in Dagnor's that drops an instant heal/rune pot? Who goes to Dalnir other than to farm Crescent for their iksar monk alt? Who uses Chardok for anything other than ae exploits? Who uses Skyfire, EJ and TT for exp groups like they do OT, DL?

There's plenty of game world to support a much larger population, there's just not enough in it to incentivize straying from the beaten path, especially when everyone has instructions to get what they want in the fastest way possible.

Velious won't change things, it'll just shift the crowds from one place to another and over half the content will still be unused. Adding 30 zones to every expansion is what killed EQ. They should have instead focused on adding content to the world they already created.



Shhhh, your gonna make all these other zones get crowded too.

[kaev]

Who uses Skyfire, EJ and TT for exp groups like they do OT, DL?


A solid group of low-/mid-40s can get pretty good XP in TT. Spectral keepers are wiz casters with very small agro radius, buff your tank's magic/cold/fire resists & HP and tear 'em up. With a full group you can move back and forth between a couple of ruins to get enough spawns to keep you busy and you'll be able to down the occasional spectral champion spawn easily enough. If you've got a cleric + a chanter or a second healer the cleric can load up his biggest anti-undead nuke and play part-time pretend wizard.

But people would rather sit around CoM LFG while those that are grouped fight over spawns and complain that there aren't enough mobs.

[Duncon]

This was a known issue on live, and they solved it (or at least tried to) with zone exp modifiers. I really wish the devs would consider adjusting those here (and then publicizing the changes) to increase the ZEM of un-used zones like Cazic Thule and Dagnor's and reduce the ZEM of zones like Unrest and Karnor's. Such a change would be 100% classic in spirit and could really help spread the population out.

It would be even better if ZEM was dynamic and would change with the number of people in the zone or the length of time mobs stay up.

You see lots of folks in the zone you know the ZEM is low and it's time to look around. Never gunna happen, cause you know, not classic, but it is fun to theorize.

[fadetree]

If you believe there needs to be more blue servers, there is one way to accomplish this.

Start your own server. Use p99 database. Pay for the hosting and bandwidth. And beg p99 staff to let it be an official second server. Iron out other details.

People seem to forget.p99 staff are a group of guys who want classic EQ as it was. Keeping people happy is second, or possibly lower on the list.

Me personally I dont see why they are so nice to peeps who rmt and multibox. Those people do not deserve to be here.

Would they allow this? I might be interested in doing this if so.

[Daldaen]

P99 Devs and code holders would never allow that.

[Sage Truthbearer]

But people would rather sit around CoM LFG while those that are grouped fight over spawns and complain that there aren't enough mobs.

In my 40s, I was bringing the people who were LFG at CoM entrance to the other side of the zoneline in EJ. Most of the time, I'd have to drag them kicking and screaming to even give it a try. Yet anyone who joined me saw I was constantly chain-pulling uncontested mobs at a higher XP rate than they'd get in CoM. Not to mention the change of scenery and mobs (giant mosquitos, gorillas, raptors, plants).

I do wish some people were more open-minded.

[Vorkon]

I'd be interested to see trend data regarding Zones and Population compared to the EXP Zone Modifier Table. I think a lot of the reasons people tend to congregate in certain area's (wait for groups, competition over camps) are directly related to exp gains and potential loot gains vs. to grinding out steady exp.

Once Velious goes live I'd expect to see more groups in places like ToFS, Velks, and Sirens Grotto over The wastes, cobalt scar and open zones. I don't see anything really addressing the overcrowding in certain zones issues unless there was a wholesale change to loot drops on open world mobs (none of which I'd advocate).

[Nirgon]

The game has great design

It just wasn't designed to be emulated 15 years later with all the quests/xp spots/fast tracks/tricks known in advance and a 4 year per expansion time line

[fadetree]

P99 Devs and code holders would never allow that.

Whats a 'code holder'?

Anyways I wouldn't want to fork the base, just pay for and admin a separate server.

[Salahdin]

Play off peak times.

Unrest had 4-8 people in it last night.

[Ravager]

The game has great design

It just wasn't designed to be emulated 15 years later with all the quests/xp spots/fast tracks/tricks known in advance and a 4 year per expansion time line

But keep it classic anyway...

[Daldaen]

Whats a 'code holder'?

Anyways I wouldn't want to fork the base, just pay for and admin a separate server.

Non-dev with access to the codebase!

[Ele]

But keep it classic anyway...

Hidden Forest is that way -->

[Buhbuh]

RED99

NOT CROWDED

NEW FOUR DOOR TOYOTA'S STARTING AT 12,000 PER YEAR FOR SIXTY YEARS

FELLOWSHIP
LOYALTY
DEVOTION
GENEROSITY
PERSEVERANCE

WITH OUR POWERS COMBINED, GREEN HAIRED WEIRDO WITH ABNORMAL BULGE IN A COSTUME

RED99

[Monty405]

The other day i waited 2 hours and 40 some minutes in mistmoor for a group spot because i could not find anyone willing to go elsewhere. The day after that, almost 2 hours.

I would like to say this is an anomaly. It's really starting to wear me down since I chose the absolute worst soloing class as my main and currently only character (rogue).

[bullproofmonk]

Play a couple of characters in differing level ranges.

Of course, doing this might end up turning your alt into your main, if you have a cleric or warrior.

What I have noticed lately, is a lot of "Duo" monk/shammy everywhere. I'd imagine they are boxing, but I am giving them the benefit of the doubt.

[Rararboker]

MM sucks. Go to Upper Guk. Shit is way better and I always was able to form/find groups there.

[dafier]

Just responding to the 'boxing' comments about people way back in the day on Live.

I did. I had a second computer I built and I purchased a second copy of EQ, and I paid for a character transfer. That was in PoP days though.

If that's what boxing is, then ok. But what I did was NOT illegal at all and SoE at the time had NO issue with me and what I did. Why you ask? Because I talked to GMs in game about it on 2 occasions and according to them, I was not doing anything wrong.

:)

EDIT:

I paid for 2 subscriptions.

[dafier]

I'd be interested to see trend data regarding Zones and Population compared to the EXP Zone Modifier Table. I think a lot of the reasons people tend to congregate in certain area's (wait for groups, competition over camps) are directly related to exp gains and potential loot gains vs. to grinding out steady exp.

Once Velious goes live I'd expect to see more groups in places like ToFS, Velks, and Sirens Grotto over The wastes, cobalt scar and open zones. I don't see anything really addressing the overcrowding in certain zones issues unless there was a wholesale change to loot drops on open world mobs (none of which I'd advocate).

I know I'll be in Kael, LFG, looking for armor and gem drops :)

[Ravager]

Hidden Forest is that way -->

My point was that the more classic they make the server, the further from classic the gameplay gets. Ivandyr Hoops are evidence of that and had to be made not classic for that reason.

[loramin]

Just responding to the 'boxing' comments about people way back in the day on Live.

I did. I had a second computer I built and I purchased a second copy of EQ, and I paid for a character transfer. That was in PoP days though.

If that's what boxing is, then ok. But what I did was NOT illegal at all and SoE at the time had NO issue with me and what I did. Why you ask? Because I talked to GMs in game about it on 2 occasions and according to them, I was not doing anything wrong.

:)

EDIT:

I paid for 2 subscriptions.

So, you used two separate computers, and that has always been allowed.

However for people using one box to play two accounts things weren't always so easy. This might have been fixed by the time PoP was out, but for a long time it was impossible to run two instances of the EQ client at once on the same machine. Or to be more accurate, it was impossible unless you used a 3rd-party program called WinEQ. And since any sort of 3rd-party program was technically banned, so was "boxing" two accounts on the same machine.

So "boxing" was both allowed and prohibited on live, depending on how many actual boxes you used.

[Ele]

My point was that the more classic they make the server, the further from classic the gameplay gets. Ivandyr Hoops are evidence of that and had to be made not classic for that reason.

Could always start banning non-classic style game play.

Kiting PoFear - ban
Kill CT without clearing zone - ban
DA tank - ban
Hoop gank bosses - ban
skipping stone unlimited use - ban
Cothing to Trak ledge - ban
Killing Trak before lair trash - ban
dropping eye into wall for zone in warp - ban

Could be nice change of pace, but so many people would cry.

Maybe I just need to red.

[Ravager]

Could always start banning non-classic style game play.

Kiting PoFear - ban
Kill CT without clearing zone - ban
DA tank - ban
Hoop gank bosses - ban
skipping stone unlimited use - ban
Cothing to Trak ledge - ban
Killing Trak before lair trash - ban
dropping eye into wall for zone in warp - ban

Could be nice change of pace, but so many people would cry.

Maybe I just need to red.

This would be a refreshing change.

[Daldaen]

Could always start banning non-classic style game play.

Kiting PoFear - ban
Kill CT without clearing zone - ban
DA tank - ban
Hoop gank bosses - ban
skipping stone unlimited use - ban
Cothing to Trak ledge - ban
Killing Trak before lair trash - ban
dropping eye into wall for zone in warp - ban

Could be nice change of pace, but so many people would cry.

Maybe I just need to red.
Hey that Eye warping when summoned in a wall is classic!

And DAing to set Rampage tank is also classic!

The rest though, yes ban-mode.

[Monty405]

MM sucks. Go to Upper Guk. Shit is way better and I always was able to form/find groups there.

I came from upper guk, at 28 things getting a little too green

[Rararboker]

I came from upper guk, at 28 things getting a little too green

You need to be closer to the Lguk zoneline near the AC. Mobs can carry you to 30ish, then you start going down into lower guk. It does get a bit brutal though. MM is definitely "easier" in terms of attention and time needed.

[Monty405]

yeah, mm is empty for my range atm and im on hour #3 on an hhk basement wait list. I dont remember this being classic

[Catashe]

yeah, mm is empty for my range atm and im on hour #3 on an hhk basement wait list. I dont remember this being classic

Lower to mid 20s im guessing? levels 20-28ish always seems to be a crap shoot for leveling groups for some reason or at least for me

[Feathers]

The blue server is way to overcrowded to get anything real done during primetime they either need to make another blue server or figure something out

I disagree. I like seeing lots of people in the zones. It makes the world seem populated to me. I've soloed a Necro to level 37 with sever populations over 1200 and no one ever got in my way. Recently I've played a Monk to level 19, and grouped all the way. I'm glad the newbie areas aren't abandoned.

I played classic. At peak hours this seems like a comfortable server population to me.

[iruinedyourday]

Its funny, ive gotten on sporatically and every time I get on, kill a named or get some xp im like 10/10 for 'going someplace to do something and being able to do it' I dont think were close to overcrowded heh

[Hawala]

and bards take all the normal zones

This is my real concern. Considering all the changes that have been made (that aren't classic) I can't for the life of me understand why they've left the mechanics such that bards can still do this b

[Ele]

Hey that Eye warping when summoned in a wall is classic!

And DAing to set Rampage tank is also classic!

The rest though, yes ban-mode.

It was classic and I had prior guildmates that got banned for using the eye glitch to pull Phinny. RIP

[Lojik]

This is my real concern. Considering all the changes that have been made (that aren't classic) I can't for the life of me understand why they've left the mechanics such that bards can still do this b

Was worse before they nerfed low hp kiting

[Mirana]

This is my real concern. Considering all the changes that have been made (that aren't classic) I can't for the life of me understand why they've left the mechanics such that bards can still do this b

I don't understand how people could enjoy grouping for exp in Overthere. Garbage exp, garbage loot, ugly scenery. Do you really enjoy sitting on the zone wall with 0% chance of death killing cacti and rhinos? I legitimately can't fathom how that is enjoyable for anyone, but to each their own I suppose.

[Alanus]

You mean you're getting that true classic experience? :p Not that I don't feel your pain as I ignored Unrest and Mistmoore (so far) because of your exact complaint. However, I'm not sure it's due to overcrowding or due to some very ridiculous "camps." For example, in HHK, there used to be like 4 camps running on classic. On p99, there is 1... and only 1 allowed... ever.

So, things are just different when it comes to that I think. I don't agree that it is overcrowded though. I definitely experienced a very, very, crowded Innoruuk back in my day.

The upper 50s game is pretty crowded for soloers.

[Monty405]

I don't understand how people could enjoy grouping for exp in Overthere. Garbage exp, garbage loot, ugly scenery. Do you really enjoy sitting on the zone wall with 0% chance of death killing cacti and rhinos? I legitimately can't fathom how that is enjoyable for anyone, but to each their own I suppose.

Maybe, though its better than sitting as #5 or whatever on a list (if its even honored).

[Red_Psyphon]

Overcrowding is a huge problem and is why many fall into red for a short time. Nobody likes being lvl 50+ but having nowhere to go because there are 400+ lvl 60s on at once so all 5 zones they use are full.

Do not reference lvl 5-40 zones as they are useless unless u like sitting on low lvl items and ruining noob groups

[Man0warr]

Nobody likes being lvl 50+ but having nowhere to go because there are 400+ lvl 60s on at once so all 5 zones they use are full.

I guarantee the majority of level 60s on this server are not hanging out in grouping/EXP zones.

[indiscriminate_hater]

as much as it sucks when someone is taking a large share of mobs in a zone like overthere, or powerleveling in a place like HHK, i have zero sympathy for people that complain about not being able to find mobs. people are such raging pussies and complainers here that i'm surprised they even stick around long enough for this to become a problem.

remember the name of the fucking game you're playing - everquest. find your own way. if the game isn't going to hand you anything, then other players are sure as hell not going to. if you're complaining that powerlevelers are preventing you from leveling up, then your main priority is leveling up and you are no better than the people getting powerleveled. don't delude yourself into thinking otherwise.

[indiscriminate_hater]

yeah, mm is empty for my range atm and im on hour #3 on an hhk basement wait list. I dont remember this being classic

i don't even know where to start with this. my recommendation is somewhere between re-roll and uninstall.

[Greymantle]

Overcrowding is a huge problem and is why many fall into red for a short time. Nobody likes being lvl 50+ but having nowhere to go because there are 400+ lvl 60s on at once so all 5 zones they use are full.

Do not reference lvl 5-40 zones as they are useless unless u like sitting on low lvl items and ruining noob groups

Pretty much why I stopped playing my Druid over a year ago. I got tired of everything being camped had no where to go. Don't even get me started on trying to get a group as a Druid. :P

[wormed]

if you're complaining that powerlevelers are preventing you from leveling up, then your main priority is leveling up and you are no better than the people getting powerleveled. don't delude yourself into thinking otherwise.

Not that I don't agree with your sentiment but...

lol at this.

[loramin]

To me, it's very simple:

If you are bitching about not being able to find a group, but you haven't tried forming your own group first, then you need to stop bitching.

If you are bitching about not being able to find an open camp spot, but you've only checked the "happy path" camps (Unrest, OT, etc.) then you need to stop bitching.

If you tried hard to form a group but couldn't make a viable one (notice I didn't say "a traditional one"), or if you went out to Befallen, Dalnir and Nurga and all three were camped, then I'm willing to hear about how crowded this server is.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Not that I don't agree with your sentiment but...

lol at this.

they've got the same motives, they just don't have the same means. that's what makes these people bitter, and what makes them hard to take seriously.

[Ravager]

Overcrowding is a huge problem and is why many fall into red for a short time. Nobody likes being lvl 50+ but having nowhere to go because there are 400+ lvl 60s on at once so all 5 zones they use are full.

Do not reference lvl 5-40 zones as they are useless unless u like sitting on low lvl items and ruining noob groups

I bet hunter/forager is open. I bet spell dropping wurms are open. I bet hole tower is open. I bet Chardok has room (fuck the ae dicks). I bet there's at least one wing of HS open. Towns have an exp bonus... I bet the guards in Neriak are open. I bet Kedge is open.

Just because you can't get into crypt or king or efreeti doesn't mean there aren't things to do.

[Ravager]

Pretty much why I stopped playing my Druid over a year ago. I got tired of everything being camped had no where to go. Don't even get me started on trying to get a group as a Druid. :P

Real druids realize they have the tools to build their own groups and go wherever the fuck they want.

[Greymantle]

Real druids realize they have the tools to build their own groups and go wherever the fuck they want.

I guess I'm a fake druid damn that explains it. Next time I will play a real druid thanks for the help.

[Monty405]

The problem is peoples unwillingness to stray from the standard path of leveling. Trying to get high 20s and low 30s to get out of Mistmoore or HHK is worse than pulling teeth.

If anyone sees me online feel free to hit me up, ign Marchand 29 Rogue

[fadetree]

All you rogues : grab ranger. Have them snare, flame lick, and dance around in their little green tights in front of the mob. Stab the &^*&^ out of while it tries to get the ranger snack. Profit.

[Brut]

All you rogues : grab ranger. Have them snare, flame lick, and dance around in their little green tights in front of the mob. Stab the &^*&^ out of while it tries to get the ranger snack. Profit.
The problem is the ranger expects to be grouped with you when this happens.

[Ravager]

The problem is the ranger expects to be grouped with you when this happens.

Lol

[criddopher]

on karana during kunark i remember people waiting in DL for groups at the ruins or ledge. As well as groups in BW and groups in Skyfire. There's plenty of places to group still 50+, but no one wants to do open zones because its slow (like 40 people in kc is any faster? 1 mob every 3 min.)

Won't go do chardok because its hard.

Don't have HS keys, or say its too far away.

What was the prime time population then? 2500? people still found xp spots....


Not buying the overpopulated story

[Monty405]

on karana during kunark i remember people waiting in DL for groups at the ruins or ledge. As well as groups in BW and groups in Skyfire. There's plenty of places to group still 50+, but no one wants to do open zones because its slow (like 40 people in kc is any faster? 1 mob every 3 min.)

Won't go do chardok because its hard.

Don't have HS keys, or say its too far away.

What was the prime time population then? 2500? people still found xp spots....


Not buying the overpopulated story

I remember open zones were probably the most popular on my live server in the day. Sure there was no ZEM, but its better than trying to cram several groups worth of people into a limited dungeon.

[Tsalarioth]

I remember this too! I was very happy to get in that side room with 2 mobs lol.

3 mobs- 2 in the far end and one right around the corner. Spent lots of time soloing that camp on live back in the day.

[wormed]

As others have said, people are also unwilling to get a group started. Yesterday in MM, GY was empty before I finally said "screw it" and formed a duo with a druid. We built out from there until we had a full group easily pulling GY and canyon/pit. Got half a level with ease.

Probably the first time I realized that it is difficult for groups to find tanks as finding my replacement was very difficult but you gotta roll with what you can. More DPs, weaker tank, no problem!

[Qelyn]

As a monk, at least at the lower levels, I've found that tanking is super easy for me. Aggro management can be a bit difficult, but if I pull and usually take a swing or two before then, it's fine.

Obviously at higher levels, I would imagine this will be less the case. But it's fun to be able to both DPS and tank right now!

[-Catherin-]

On live I would consider myself *extremely* fortunate to get a contested camp like frenzy, seb king, crypt etc.

Even when you got lucky enough to get one of those camps you usually had to wait all day on a 20+ person list to get into a group. And then it was typically NBG loot.

This server would have to about double in size to really approach that sort of environment. This is not overcrowded. It is more crowded than it used to be though. You cant just waltz in and get a decent camp whenever you want now.

[Buhbuh]

Well, if you feel it is, try out Red99. Little smaller, and we could use the people.

[Arteker]

On live I would consider myself *extremely* fortunate to get a contested camp like frenzy, seb king, crypt etc.

Even when you got lucky enough to get one of those camps you usually had to wait all day on a 20+ person list to get into a group. And then it was typically NBG loot.

This server would have to about double in size to really approach that sort of environment. This is not overcrowded. It is more crowded than it used to be though. You cant just waltz in and get a decent camp whenever you want now.

in kunark solusek ro peak of players was 2780. i got my first fbss at 42, i was duoing safe cav room with a enchanter (paladin myself) and i was allready 8 hours in the list when i was called, 30 mins later double frenzy pop , i rolled a 1000 and it made my day ,:)
Sebilis was way more crowded is here , regular day it was 40 50 players with every single frog camped . my first hiero did come with 78 players in zone , and trak was not poped.

[Arteker]

Could always start banning non-classic style game play.

Kiting PoFear - ban
Kill CT without clearing zone - ban
DA tank - ban
Hoop gank bosses - ban
skipping stone unlimited use - ban
Cothing to Trak ledge - ban
Killing Trak before lair trash - ban
dropping eye into wall for zone in warp - ban

Could be nice change of pace, but so many people would cry.

Maybe I just need to red.
1: not classic.
2: was classic.
3: was classic.
4: not classic.
5:was classic, although shit would be kited over water wich here is illegal.
6: was kinda classic and done to hell .

[wormed]

in kunark solusek ro peak of players was 2780. i got my first fbss at 42, i was duoing safe cav room with a enchanter (paladin myself) and i was allready 8 hours in the list when i was called, 30 mins later double frenzy pop , i rolled a 1000 and it made my day ,:)
Sebilis was way more crowded is here , regular day it was 40 50 players with every single frog camped . my first hiero did come with 78 players in zone , and trak was not poped.

Sigh. I stumbled upon the Ancient Cyclops in Sro, a druid was killing but she clearly needed some help. Said I'd help and we can both roll. We agreed.

... rolled a 23.

Fuck my slow running life. Someone sell me jboots on a payment plan. :( I got 1200pp!!

[Rararboker]

Sigh. I stumbled upon the Ancient Cyclops in Sro, a druid was killing but she clearly needed some help. Said I'd help and we can both roll. We agreed.

... rolled a 23.

Fuck my slow running life. Someone sell me jboots on a payment plan. :( I got 1200pp!!

Should have /sit and then did a /cheer on the AC. You'd have jboots right now. In case you forgot, druids can cast sow.

[wormed]

Should have /sit and then did a /cheer on the AC. You'd have jboots right now. In case you forgot, druids can cast sow.

I know druids can cast sow. But I can't just steal the thing. I'd have gotten in shit anyway. It's still worth 7k as a MQ, so I can't really blame her for wanting it.

Ah well. :( Win some, ya lose some.

[Nisse]

This many years into Live EQ you were lucky if you could find an xp group while leveling a new character up period. Some people will bitch about anything.