was i wrong?

[phacemeltar]

dear abby,
the other day i was in a group on my alt-sk in MM, pulling from inside castle to the CE. some guys decided to sit in the foyer, right in the middle of where our mobs pathed outside, and started saying that if we were camped outside the castle that we werent allowed to pull from inside. determining that they were stupid, i continued to pull mobs from the TR, and when they would jump on the other grp i would FD and pull more. i guess eventually they had enough and decided to run for it, training my grp. some of them made it out, where my grp efficiently handled their train.

aside from some explatives exchanged in ooc, thats the jist of the story... but my moral compass is spinning. should i have handled the situation differently, i would like some opinions here pls.

[Itap]

Is CE considered a separate camp from inside castle? This is like that spot between pond and GY, is that an actual camp also? I never did MM

[phacemeltar]

someone told me that camps dont exist. theres only static spawns and roaming pats. that was b4 derub died tho... rip

[Lune]

Scumbags who walk into a fully camped/cleared Mistmoore and then plop down in places like the canyon and the balcony are some of history's most infamous villains, up there with Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, and Ayn Rand.

[sox7d]

primary MM Camps:
pond
GY
CE
throne room

campable secondary camps:
hall between pond and GY
pit between GY and CE
castle yard
tower

primary typically pulls from the secondary, but a group can claim a secondary as their own.

[Safon]

Scumbags who walk into a fully camped/cleared Mistmoore and then plop down in places like the canyon and the balcony are some of history's most infamous villains, up there with Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, and Ayn Rand.

Indeed, sharing is pretty reprehensible

[Nune]

Is CE considered a separate camp from inside castle? This is like that spot between pond and GY, is that an actual camp also? I never did MM

Dude there is some guy who knows you by your RL name that messages me every. single. time. he sees me and asks if I'm you. You have an internet lovenerd bud, find him. Embrace him. Teach him.

[mr_jon3s]

People need to go to other places when a zone is camped. Go try out kedge great zem, keasora, split paw, overthere, frontier mountains, and other places.

[Lune]

Indeed, sharing is pretty reprehensible

Having 2 whole groups get shit xp because the newcomers were too lazy to go somewhere else is just illogical.

Let's say you're Brad McQuaid and you've only got enough Norco to get yourself high. Then Smedley shows up and helps himself to half your norco. Now neither of you are high and you have to try to bilk kickstarter money while sober. Fuck that

[Itap]

Dude there is some guy who knows you by your RL name that messages me every. single. time. he sees me and asks if I'm you. You have an internet lovenerd bud, find him. Embrace him. Teach him.

Lol, i know who it is. Ive told him many times that itap isnt mine anymore, dunno what his deal is.

[Itap]

Scumbags who walk into a fully camped/cleared Mistmoore and then plop down in places like the canyon and the balcony are some of history's most infamous villains, up there with Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, and Ayn Rand.

The "canyon" is considered a camp? What a joke. Screw MM, live outside the box

[myriverse]

Having 2 whole groups get shit xp because the newcomers were too lazy to go somewhere else is just illogical.

Let's say you're Brad McQuaid and you've only got enough Norco to get yourself high. Then Smedley shows up and helps himself to half your norco. Now neither of you are high and you have to try to bilk kickstarter money while sober. Fuck that
Depends. Does the Norco magically and regularly sprout from ground in front of Brad and Smed? If not, then your analogy is fail.

[Lune]

Depends. Does the Norco magically and regularly sprout from ground in front of Brad and Smed? If not, then your analogy is fail.

No but your contact only supplies you with one high a week. Smed could easily just walk 15 mins to the corner and get his own norco, but he's too damn lazy.

[Kristian]

dear abby,
the other day i was in a group on my alt-sk in MM, pulling from inside castle to the CE. some guys decided to sit in the foyer, right in the middle of where our mobs pathed outside, and started saying that if we were camped outside the castle that we werent allowed to pull from inside. determining that they were stupid, i continued to pull mobs from the TR, and when they would jump on the other grp i would FD and pull more. i guess eventually they had enough and decided to run for it, training my grp. some of them made it out, where my grp efficiently handled their train.

aside from some explatives exchanged in ooc, thats the jist of the story... but my moral compass is spinning. should i have handled the situation differently, i would like some opinions here pls.

You handled the situation mostly correctly. Some of them lived.

[Lev_Mer]

Having 2 whole groups get shit xp because the newcomers were too lazy to go somewhere else is just illogical.

Let's say you're Brad McQuaid and you've only got enough Norco to get yourself high. Then Smedley shows up and helps himself to half your norco. Now neither of you are high and you have to try to bilk kickstarter money while sober. Fuck that

but it worked totally and completely for brad... ur problem is ur brad levels are low

[Rararboker]

Had this happen the one time I tried to xp in KC at around 53-54. We were in one of the coutyards, the one near the guy who drops that nice wizard ring. A group moved in while we were pulling and tried to claim that room. Handled it slightly different though. I used my staff of temperate flux to make sure they didn't get a single mob. The monk puller seemed confused by his inability to pull any sort of aggro from me.

Long story short, you dun goog.

[Nune]

Lol, i know who it is. Ive told him many times that itap isnt mine anymore, dunno what his deal is.

U r :cool: obv

[phacemeltar]

thanks, friends

[triad]

The "canyon" is considered a camp? What a joke. Screw MM, live outside the box

you obviously didnt play classic live...

[Itap]

you obviously didnt play classic live...

I played from kunark - PoP. I never stepped foot into MM, it was not a popular leveling spot on cazic-Thule. Common spots pre Velious;

1-4, newbie zone
4-12, EC
12-20, oasis
20-30ish, loio
30-40ish, OT
40-50, DL
50-60 KC/Seb

[wormed]

I played from kunark - PoP. I never stepped foot into MM, it was not a popular leveling spot on cazic-Thule. Common spots pre Velious;

1-4, newbie zone
4-12, EC
12-20, oasis
20-30ish, loio
30-40ish, OT
40-50, DL
50-60 KC/Seb

Makes me sad that Cazic-thule isn't used as a leveling zone. In Classic that zone was always bumpin. Ahhh, back when 2 Ogres would train the whole zone, block the exit and watch everyone die.

Those were the days.

[maskedmelon]

someone told me that camps dont exist. theres only static spawns and roaming pats. that was b4 derub died tho... rip

I've never liked that position. Whether camps are officially recognized Bundestag staff or not is irrelevant. Camps are community norms and those who ignore them ought to suffer thebwrath of the community. While your training may have been annunderhanded tactic, unfortunately it is all you could do. They sought to undermine your group when they could have just camped cy (assuming it was open), upstairs, or even the kitchen and then compete with your group for mobs in between. Instead, they elected to assault your group by denying it any xp at all. Your response was appropriate ^^

[myriverse]

Makes me sad that Cazic-thule isn't used as a leveling zone. In Classic that zone was always bumpin.
Classic Live CT was, perhaps, my favouritest zone of all. Came for the Dark Ember, stayed for the love.

Ahhh, back when 2 Ogres would train the whole zone, block the exit and watch everyone die.

Those were the days.
Don't remember that though.

[Swish]

dear abby,
the other day i was in a group on my alt-sk in MM, pulling from inside castle to the CE. some guys decided to sit in the foyer, right in the middle of where our mobs pathed outside, and started saying that if we were camped outside the castle that we werent allowed to pull from inside. determining that they were stupid, i continued to pull mobs from the TR, and when they would jump on the other grp i would FD and pull more. i guess eventually they had enough and decided to run for it, training my grp. some of them made it out, where my grp efficiently handled their train.

aside from some explatives exchanged in ooc, thats the jist of the story... but my moral compass is spinning. should i have handled the situation differently, i would like some opinions here pls.

Seen this happen before. I was helping some people at CE when a group of 4-5 trooped on in and sat inside... then complained when I pulled through them, then complained more when they couldn't outaggro me on those pulls.

As GMs don't generally get involved with camps etc its down to the player base not to be assholes... if you want CE and CE is taken, you're being an asshole by sitting just inside the castle imo, especially if pit is camped and you know they've literally been left with 6-7 mobs per cycle.

[ronasch]

Scumbags who walk into a fully camped/cleared Mistmoore and then plop down in places like the canyon and the balcony are some of history's most infamous villains, up there with Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, and Ayn Rand.

Umm what's wrong with Ayn Rand?

[kaev]

Umm what's wrong with Ayn Rand?

When you turn that question around, and ask what's right with Ayn Rand, and discover that the answer is "nothing, nothing at all", then you won't have to waste anybody's time with stupid questions like that.

[maskedmelon]

Umm what's wrong with Ayn Rand?

Presumably she was a socialist like Hitler and Stalin.... You didn't know?

[Lune]

Umm what's wrong with Ayn Rand?

Progenitor of a philosophy (actually really just ripping off Nietzsche & pals) that embraces the bacterial impulses of humanity to exploit, multiply, subjugate, and destroy. One of her disciples (Alan Greenspan) is partly responsible for the destruction of any semblance of economic equality in the US. Her work really resonated with that little voice in all Americans that says "I'm just a temporarily embarrassed millionaire, and it's only a matter of time before I pull myself up by my bootstraps, enslave some workers, and do my part in destroying the planet in pursuit of mindless consumption". That voice evolved and coagulated into the idiotic inane shouting called the Tea Party.

Objectivists (Ayn Rand cultists) tend to reject determinism, which is a fundamental law of the observable universe so far (if you overlook the probabilistic micro-indeterminism inherent in quantum mechanics.), in the same way that creationists reject evolution. They believe in what they call 'rational self interest', a system of ethics that has been widely panned by contemporary academia. That debate is too much to go into here but I'd encourage you to read about it. The only way humanity is going to survive the next few centuries is by shifting the priorities of our lives away from the acquisition of things and 'how can I fuck over everyone else to make my life better' to 'how can I improve myself and my society'. I could go on for hours about how much I hate Ayn Rand and all the reasons why I disagree with objectivists but I'm not.

TL;DR: She's a messiah for libertarians, republicans, objectivists, and all other temporarily embarrassed millionaires everywhere, and a proponent for neo-fuedalism and the idea that the 'elite minds' carry all the rest of us poor, dirty, lazy, incompetent motherfuckers on their shoulders.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Lol "objectivism." Proof that people will believe ANYTHING as long as it makes them feel good about themselves. We are so doomed. Whats wrong with ayn rand jesus christ...

[maskedmelon]

Scumbags who walk into a fully camped/cleared Mistmoore and then plop down in places like the canyon and the balcony are some of history's most infamous villains, up there with Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, and Ayn Rand.

Ohh I get it now. You mean the people who plop down in those places are villains because they, the dirty lazy mofo's (your words), seek to ride on the shoulders of the elite minds (sucking resources from the privileged)! ;)

I am curious, what is your prescription for that group? I am not looking to debate objectivism (I don't know enough about it to make for an engaging discussion). I just find it interesting that you seem opposed to rational self interest while at the same time suggesting the answer to scarcity is for those without to remain without :) I agree with that, but I admit that is because it is better for me if someone else goes without than if I do. What do you think?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

eq. the game that takes even mild mannered, decent people, and can turn them into raging assholes.

The duo were basically claiming, they had a right to compete with you over mobs you were clearly pulling. You, despite the fact it was probably unpleasant, gave them exactly what they claimed they wanted: competition over mobs. They lost, your group won.

I would say, that is how it's done. Your moral compass seems fine to me. Your camp was established and killing stuff ded. You weren't the one that decided it was ffa time.

eq sometimes require that certain.... measures .... be taken. Good work, I say.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Classic Live CT was, perhaps, my favouritest zone of all. Came for the Dark Ember, stayed for the love.


Don't remember that though.

CT zem increase plz. Zone is challenging, people *will* die because damn those goddam healers, pulling is not ez mode, a group not aware of how mobs path and socially aggro will wipe, lvl range of mobs in single areas cries out for groups to be able to tackle.

CT zem increase plz. Incentivize the levelers.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

I will stoop to making a real reply. Since it is generally accepted that ce pulls from etry area and ballroom, any mobs you were keeping down that they moved past you and killed are petitionable. If they were up for five min or whatever they are open to all even if they move past you to do it.

[Vaderman]

Last week I was with a group in HH. We are pulling the orcs and realize there is a level 60 druid parked on top of the rocks killing the PH for the shiny brass idol.

We asked him if he could let us kill the PH so we can get the full EXP per cycle.

He told us no, because he didn't trust that we would let him have the named. I'm pretty sure he could 1 shot the named if he wanted so why even care about trust.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Last week I was with a group in HH. We are pulling the orcs and realize there is a level 60 druid parked on top of the rocks killing the PH for the shiny brass idol.

We asked him if he could let us kill the PH so we can get the full EXP per cycle.

He told us no, because he didn't trust that we would let him have the named. I'm pretty sure he could 1 shot the named if he wanted so why even care about trust.

In a conflict the gm's check records of spawns, kills, and agro lists. Thats about it. They won't go look at the he said shee said minutiae. In this case if you killed the ph a couple times then the next kill was by him you could petition it and he would be punished if the pop was fresh. You have to be aware of this because it can be used against you.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

sez the man with a Sean Hannity avatar.

Consider the source on this one, I guess. Any talk of fairness is going to devolve into Detroit saying "fair is whatever you can take."

Predictable.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

sez the man with a Sean Hannity avatar.

Consider the source on this one, I guess. Any talk of fairness is going to devolve into Detroit saying "fair is whatever you can take."

Predictable.

whoa whoa whoa now, - avatar is ironical , and im the good guy here dammit

[86753o9]

Says the guy with the cat gif sig.

[86753o9]

CT zem increase plz. Zone is challenging, people *will* die because damn those goddam healers, pulling is not ez mode, a group not aware of how mobs path and socially aggro will wipe, lvl range of mobs in single areas cries out for groups to be able to tackle.

CT zem increase plz. Incentivize the levelers.As an SK that quested the darkforge armor I'll say that CT isn't an xp zone, it's a brutal rite of passage.