Request to make Ragefire classic

[ppdanny]

This FTE stuff is bull.

On live classic the spawn went to the cleric that was there the longest. I had to wait 5 days for mine because I had a cleric ahead of me. Never once was it about a race for a bard whos been there to poopsock with his guild for 1 hour over a cleric that has been around almost all the time for 4 days.

I will mention this same guild said something to a BDA member that the cleric that was there for 4 days should get the turnin in but they still went on to turn in anyways.

[ArumTP]

This is classic. Just because your server had lines doesn't mean others did.

[Ele]

Name and shame.

[Ele]

Really though every server was different. KSing occurred quite a bit (not just turn in sniping).

[Daldaen]

If they wanted to fix the Ragefire scene they really should just death touch anyone FDed in the lair when he spawns. Too many monks, SKs and Necros Poopsock it.

Or just change him to only accept pearls from a cleric.

But those would be classic feels not classic mechanics :/.

[ppdanny]

On our server the CSR staff enforced the lines...

[maskedmelon]

Name and shame.

[Ravager]

It takes about 4 years of cockblocking and asshattery and a lull between new game releases before any major changes to policy take place.

That or you need to be a guest on Sirken's stream at least a dozen times.

Don't blame anyone for the current scene but the ones who created it. This is crap that's been going on since the server's inception and the people who did it then are still here doing it. With the rules as they are, your only choice is to deal with it or get over it.

[Erati]

most people socking it arnt even after the Heart itself ( besides to sell ) so if you are a cleric seeking an epic you could barter with some to secure the heart but hand over the rest of the loot with your pearl hand in

[arsenalpow]

As a guild we (BDA) typically only chase after Ragefires when we have new members looking to finish an epic (which is the case at the moment) but the root cause issue of why Ragefire sucks is because there's plenty of farmers that are only there to duo/trio him for the cash. The cleric MQ, CoF, gaunts of fiery might, red scales, the dragon bag, and potentially the no-drop pieces can be sold for a pile of plat.

This is why BDA goes after it as a guild, so the guild gets more epiced clerics.

Not to name names but how many Ragefires has Tameth killed lol? He's the one that immediate came to mind when it comes to Rafefire farming. There's plenty more just like him where it's just a plat machine.

Luckily, you'll eventually get that heart. You could always be a wizard, necro, mage, or SK which are classes that have almost no shot at seeing an epic on this server.

[RaefLaFrenz]

Not to name names but how many Ragefires has Tameth killed lol? He's the one that immediate came to mind when it comes to Rafefire farming.

speaking of.....lets take a gander shall we? He lists them on his EC thread.



HAPPY CUSTOMERS AKA wielders of the Water Sprinkler of Nem Ankh (http://wiki.project1999.com/Water_Sprinkler_of_Nem_Ankh):
1) Blackless
2) Garviel
3) Jakethe
4) Potsticker
5) South
6) Amedeo
7) Minister
8) Scruf
9) Morphin
10) Lolly
11) Oceanic
12) Ininna
13) Bino
14) Raxna
15) Cyben
16) Junias
17) Perco
18) Conalingus
19) Dukoph
20) Nitsuu
21) Persephone
22) Pabst
23) Avesh
24) Iorde
25) Trifonas
26) Tpar
27) Fervent
28) Pepsic
29) Sedwic
30) Wifie
31) Litany
32) Dinekus
33) Allya
34) Lifebearer
35) Akeldema



http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147013&highlight=tameth


you guys can do the math, 60K a pop.

[theaetatus]

Well at least you didn't get your Ragefire KSd after handing in a pearl like Indignation did last week.

[Daldaen]

Well at least you didn't get your Ragefire KSd after handing in a pearl like Indignation did last week.

KSing Ragefire is a total dick move. This deserves some name and shame.

I don't care if the person turned in then died to Magi or gated out. Or if their 20min from turnin expired. That's just evil to steal someone's Ragefire. Especially a cleric who needs it for their epic.

[arsenalpow]

There are very specific rules for Ragefire. Sirken clarified them for us months ago. He then ruled against his own very specific clarification so I had to show him where he already set precedent and that petition is back in the queue.

Here are the rules as clarified:

http://i.imgur.com/vHZGLtd.png

The TLDR is you get 1 legit attempt or 20 minutes. Period. Suiciding to get the pearl handed in IS NOT an attempt. Switching over to different characters doesn't "abandon" the camp. You give the turn in party 20 minutes or 1 legit attempt.

[Cecily]

speaking of.....lets take a gander shall we? He lists them on his EC thread.

you guys can do the math, 60K a pop.

You guys, I did the math. That's 2100k worth of pops.

[theaetatus]

Indeed. No wipes and 20 minutes weren't up. Waiting for the results of a petition anyway.

[maskedmelon]

You guys, I did the math. That's 2100k worth of pops.
That is a lot of pops....

[Swish]

People still using autofire for the hand in or did that stop?

[arsenalpow]

People still using autofire for the hand in or did that stop?

Couldn't say, like I said before BDA doesn't really do Ragefire outside the few times when we're forced to do it.

[Ella`Ella]

You guys, I did the math. That's 2100k worth of pops.

BDA Guild Charter states:

"80% of all proceeds from the sale of any loot, whether obtained by the guild or by personal means, must be forfeited to BDA leadership upon completion of any sale. You must also include screenshots of sale and include logins to the toon in which the sale took place so leadership can confirm accurate tribute was made."

If you read closer, on page 2112 of the BDA charter, it goes into further detail;

"80% of all proceeds to guild leadership and/or guild bank will be taken as tribute by Glorious Dear Leader [Chest]..."

Doing some quick back-of-the-napkin math, if Tameth popped 2100k from Ragefire in a trio, the BDA guild bank immediately took 1680k with 1344k of which going directly to Chest. The other 73 officers of BDA split the remains equally. Tameth then had to split his remaining 420k with 2 other people for a total take home of 140k.

However, as per Tiggles latest screenshot in a previous thread, we saw that BDA uses approximately 35 members per Ragefire. Thus, Tameth likely netted around 4k total from all his Ragefire turn-ins in total.

[arsenalpow]

Attention seeking

[Nirgon]

Chest I am beginning to back your forumquest

[maskedmelon]

Thus, Tameth likely netted around 4k total from all his Ragefire turn-ins in total.

Ohhhh, that doesn't seem so bad then. Who are we supposed to revile now? Tameth's oppressors?

This was funny though ^^

[ppdanny]

BDA had over 20 people for Tranix last night.. I guess its become a competitive camp for them.

[Swish]

BDA had over 20 people for Tranix last night.. I guess its become a competitive camp for them.

game within a game within a game... holy shit

[arsenalpow]

BDA had over 20 people for Tranix last night.. I guess its become a competitive camp for them.

We're pretty good at keeping that one and the best part is the crowns are being used on actual raid characters instead of being dumped into the market via farmers. The rate is annoyingly low from best I can tell, something like 1/6 or 1/8.

[Man0warr]

We went 11 Tranix without one once.

[Erati]

is Skarlon avail for FTE?

[Nirgon]

I would like my free shot at Tranix that the "neckbeards" can't interfere with

How much red plat can I get for it

[Tameth]

Wait, what the fuck? Since when was I in BDA? I also had many more sales than those listed, some clerics just opted off my "happy customer" list. I sold epics for 65-70k. I sold just the heart for 25-35.

I never turned in a pearl over a cleric main. I never autofired, hell I never even clicked on the screen with a pearl. When I got a Ragefire it was during shitty off hours, uncontested. Say what you will, my services were highly valued. And to the best of my knowledge, the only salty individual that didn't like my presence in the lair was Argh.

[Joyelle]

Tameth isn't / wasn't BDA you spergs. Get some shit right before you open your big mouths and start spewing bullshit.

[captnamazing]

itt: swish is an idiot

[Tulnavara]

Wait, what the fuck? Since when was I in BDA? I also had many more sales than those listed, some clerics just opted off my "happy customer" list. I sold epics for 65-70k. I sold just the heart for 25-35.

I never turned in a pearl over a cleric main. I never autofired, hell I never even clicked on the screen with a pearl. When I got a Ragefire it was during shitty off hours, uncontested. Say what you will, my services were highly valued. And to the best of my knowledge, the only salty individual that didn't like my presence in the lair was Argh.

When I was camping for my cleric epic Tam backed off of both Ragefire and Gimblox for me. Solid guy and definitely not a scum lord.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

This is classic. Just because your server wasn't filled with douchebags does not mean some weren't.

fixed it for you.

[Swish]

itt: swish is an idiot

https://38.media.tumblr.com/43bec1713be83fb662b5dea528092947/tumblr_n9032gmfKR1r5mbvpo1_500.gif

[ppdanny]

I'm almost tempted to ask for this post to be moved to RNF lol

[iruinedyourday]

We're pretty good at keeping that one and the best part is the crowns are being used on actual raid characters instead of being dumped into the market via farmers. The rate is annoyingly low from best I can tell, something like 1/6 or 1/8.

Man you really are the biggest looser on this server after all arnt you. Jesus you whine and cry to no end.

[arsenalpow]

Man you really are the biggest looser on this server after all arnt you. Jesus you whine and cry to no end.

Man,*
loser*
aren't*
you?*
Jesus,*

[Freakish]

When I was camping Ragefire Tameth never backed off a ragefire from me.

[Daldaen]

When I was camping Ragefire Tameth never backed off a ragefire from me.

Trollololol.

[iruinedyourday]

Man,*
loser*
aren't*
you?*
Jesus,*

im happy you got things going for you that make you feel complete in life but so do kids with downs.

[Thulack]

When I was camping Ragefire Tameth never backed off a ragefire from me.

Lol ;)

[Fountree]

That is a lot of pops....

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2013/5/17/12/anigif_enhanced-buzz-7962-1368809919-2.gif

[Tameth]

When I was camping Ragefire Tameth never backed off a ragefire from me.

Let's hang out again. You can has Ragefires on red.

[Freakish]

That would involve a lot of work like logging in.

[ppdanny]

So Indignation just trained ragefire and killed me. and during res effects he spawned and I lost turn-in. I seriously hope Indignation gets banned for their constant bull.

[firesyde424]

Thanks to all the folks who helped with RF kill. After five days of camping RF and losing out on the turn-in to a bard, of all things, I finally will have my epic as soon as the damm boat shows up!

[Ele]

Thanks to all the folks who helped with RF kill. After five days of camping RF and losing out on the turn-in to a bard, of all things, I finally will have my epic as soon as the damm boat shows up!

Congrats!

[Troubled]

BDA Guild Charter states:

"80% of all proceeds from the sale of any loot, whether obtained by the guild or by personal means, must be forfeited to BDA leadership upon completion of any sale. You must also include screenshots of sale and include logins to the toon in which the sale took place so leadership can confirm accurate tribute was made."

If you read closer, on page 2112 of the BDA charter, it goes into further detail;

"80% of all proceeds to guild leadership and/or guild bank will be taken as tribute by Glorious Dear Leader [Chest]..."

Doing some quick back-of-the-napkin math, if Tameth popped 2100k from Ragefire in a trio, the BDA guild bank immediately took 1680k with 1344k of which going directly to Chest. The other 73 officers of BDA split the remains equally. Tameth then had to split his remaining 420k with 2 other people for a total take home of 140k.

However, as per Tiggles latest screenshot in a previous thread, we saw that BDA uses approximately 35 members per Ragefire. Thus, Tameth likely netted around 4k total from all his Ragefire turn-ins in total.

That's an old charter. Our new one is iron clad, to make sure nothing ever escapes our greedy clutches:

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tldr; Membership never truly owns anything, not even their cut of the profit.

[Nightbear]

If they wanted to fix the Ragefire scene they really should just death touch anyone FDed in the lair when he spawns. Too many monks, SKs and Necros Poopsock it.
.

I agree but for tranix

[Nightbear]

So Indignation just trained ragefire and killed me. and during res effects he spawned and I lost turn-in. I seriously hope Indignation gets banned for their constant bull.

I would love to see proof

[Raev]

How is this thread not in RNF?

[jpetrick]

So Indignation just trained ragefire and killed me. and during res effects he spawned and I lost turn-in. I seriously hope Indignation gets banned for their constant bull.

Do me a favor. Don't post bullshit about our guild without having any proof whatsoever to back up your claim. Thanks.

[Ele]

Hands up, don't shoot!

[Troubled]

Do me a favor. Don't post bullshit about our guild without having any proof whatsoever to back up your claim. Thanks.

Another example of the big guys crushing out the little guy by lawyering up.

[theaetatus]

So Indignation just trained ragefire and killed me. and during res effects he spawned and I lost turn-in. I seriously hope Indignation gets banned for their constant bull.

Seems to be par for the course for them, sadly.

[ppdanny]

How is this thread not in RNF?

Because the intention of this post was to get the CSR staff to change how this camp is seen. Different servers on live were governed slightly differently depending on how servers acted. I understand that on some servers the encounter was about the FTE race. But on Tarew Marr, it was a line up. Whoever was there the longest was the person who had rights to turning in.

I had been there 5 days when Ragefire spawned for me, and within 10 minutes a guild called Black Company had shown up, done the turn-in and killed Ragefire. A week later, I had my epic because the CSR staff for that server gave me a pearl and I was told removed the loot people got from that Ragefire kill.

[brecon]

The Cleric epic bottleneck was acknowledged by developers after this era, but the problem we are talking about is player generated, not the structure of the quest. The issue is it is a long duration camp with a random spawn, which sucks...but what makes it stressful and lame are the rules of engagement and all the farmers.

In the six months between Kunark and Velious, most people wouldn't waste the time redoing cleric epics over and over and over again. There were other things to do. In fact, if you read the posts, one of the requests people make is to have Nagafen automatically despawn after a few days - people weren't clearning Naggy enough, which meant that they weren't getting enough chances at Ragefire turnins.

This will probably get cleared up a little with Velious. People will be out questing and raiding in Velious, and farmers will shift from RF to Trak, which will be real shitty for Bards, but it's how it will likely be. For the interim, hopefully farmers let clerics exchange pearls for hearts, in exchange for the cash drops.

[ppdanny]

I've been grouped in hand room and had a pipe drop. When the group I was in suggested we roll for it, despite the fact we had a monk in our group who needed it - I was disgusted. I am just glad in this specific instance that the person who won the roll awarded their loot rights to the monk. I'm not sure if a deal was made behind scenes, but this shouldn't have even come to a roll. It should have automatically gone to the monk.

What we face today, never had the time to manifest on classic. There should at the very least be a rule that if a cleric needs for their epic - that they have the rights to the turn-in. If a cleric petitions to have people removed who don't already have their epic / or are not even a cleric then the CSR staff should do so. Of course this means that the staff also have to check to make sure said cleric doesn't already have a epic they are hiding, and that they give the person in question time to go do the final turn-in to verify that they aren't just a farmer cleric trying to make money off MQs.

[Freakish]

The posts I read over the last few days seem to indicate he was a 2-84 hour spawn, not average of 23 hours like it is on this server. I wouldn't be pushing for changes to Ragefire. You're getting more than what's classic.

[ppdanny]

The posts I read over the last few days seem to indicate he was a 2-84 hour spawn, not average of 23 hours like it is on this server. I wouldn't be pushing for changes to Ragefire. You're getting more than what's classic.

I've been here for 4 days and still not managed to get a turn-in. Either beat to it by someone whos only been there for last hour, or because I got trained and while I had res effects I couldn't move to go make the turn-in.

[Daldaen]

The posts I read over the last few days seem to indicate he was a 2-84 hour spawn, not average of 23 hours like it is on this server. I wouldn't be pushing for changes to Ragefire. You're getting more than what's classic.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60446&highlight=Ragefire&page=2

Ele already ClassicQuested that away.

[jpetrick]

This needs to be moved to rants and flames. All this has turned into is people bashing BDA, Tameth and Indignation. The most hilarious part is that one of the two people complaining about our guild wiped to ragefire after 23 minutes had gone by. The other person had himself bound in the lair and died multiple times to Magi all on his own. One of my guildmates even offered to help him get back the xp he lost for being such a dumbass.

Everyone has had bullshit happen to them while camping ragefire. You guys aren't some special fucking snowflake. I had pearls get eaten, people take my ragefire, been trained. I didn't run to the forums to complain. I moved the fuck on. You all should do the same.

[theaetatus]

That post says it all... "Stop whining, we do whatever we want, other people have done it before so why shouldn't we?".

Nice way to run a guild.

[Daldaen]

in·dig·na·tion
ˌindiɡˈnāSH(ə)n/

noun

anger or annoyance provoked by what is perceived as unfair treatment.
"the letter filled Lucy with indignation"
synonyms: resentment, umbrage, affront, disgruntlement, displeasure, anger, outrage, annoyance, irritation, exasperation, vexation, offense, pique; More

Sounds like one of the most classic guilds on P99. Roleplays to fit its name.

[jpetrick]

That post says it all... "Stop whining, we do whatever we want, other people have done it before so why shouldn't we?".

Nice way to run a guild.

You have provided no evidence to back up any of your claims. You are the ones whining and slandering. Good way to present yourself.

[theaetatus]

This isn't a court. I don't need to persuade people either way. I know it happened, it's up to you whether or not you want to believe me. :)

You could have replied "I'm sorry this happened, if it did. We wouldn't endorse this sort of behaviour", but you replied "Tough titties mate, deal with it". That says it all. :)

[jpetrick]

Why would we apologize for something we did not do?

[ppdanny]

Can we get back on point of discussing Ragefire mechanics? I mean if the CSR staff won't police Ragefire in some form outside of standard FTE and the admin staff won't change the mechanics of it to suit this servers need, then maybe there should be some kind of agreement regarding this spawn rather than all this douchebaggery that goes on. I'm not a raid leader, but I can probably work up some kind of proposal that sounds reasonable.

[theaetatus]

"if it did."

Even "We wouldn't do this sort of thing." would have been better than saying you'd be happy with your guildies doing this sort of thing. Like I said, it really says a lot about the spirit of the guild.

[ppdanny]

I will apologize to Indignation for me blatant flaming them on this thread. In my frustration of what has happened I went to the forums like a teenage girl having an episode. I really should have moved on and focused more to the point of this being about Ragefire mechanics and not a flame thread.

After having had some time to cool down... I don't believe I was honestly trained. I think the rogue had agro'd the giants at the entrance by accident (getting too close in range), and when they killed him it put them in range of agro'ing the rest of us near the Zordak spawn point and killed us. I should never have accused Indignation of intentionally training.

[jpetrick]

"if it did."

Even "We wouldn't do this sort of thing." would have been better than saying you'd be happy with your guildies doing this sort of thing. Like I said, it really says a lot about the spirit of the guild.

Where did I say I was happy about any of this? You refute my argument by attacking points I never make. You can stop making strawmans now, we can all see you are an idiot.

If I had my way ragefire would be a rotation, but this isn't my box. Learn to play under the current ruleset or start spamming Rogean to change the rules.

[ppdanny]

TBH a rotation won't exactly work either...

Asgard
Rampage
The Mystical Order
Azure Guard
Bregan D`Aerth
Divinity
Doljonijiarnimorinar
Europa
Indignation
Moonlight Crusaders
Omni
Taken
Anonymous

Thats 13 guilds right there, and there are probably other small off-shoots floating around like Defiance. Not to mention there are independent clerics like Renault right now who are un-guilded and are trying to get their epic as well.

That seems like a lot of cleric epics to rotate through, and I bet a lot of those guilds don't even need a cleric epic anymore. They probably just want the loot from ragefire and to sell/give MQs away to alts/twinks etc.

There needs to be some kind of system in place where clerics needing their epic get priority.

[theaetatus]

Where did I say I was happy about any of this? You refute my argument by attacking points I never make. You can stop making strawmans now, we can all see you are an idiot.


Your response was 'deal with it', and some cliche about snowflakes, now followed by some ad hominem attacks.

You didn't really have an argument to refute, just a bad attitude. It might be a good idea to be a little more diplomatic in future. :)

P.S. I don't think a rotation would work either. The current rules work reasonably well, as most guilds at least stick to them.

[Kayak]

Well at least you didn't get your Ragefire KSd after handing in a pearl like Indignation did last week.

Were you involved in this?

And have you heard of this happening before?
It has happened to us.

- Kayak 60 Rogue <Indignation>

[jpetrick]

TBH a rotation won't exactly work either...

Asgard
Rampage
The Mystical Order
Azure Guard
Bregan D`Aerth
Divinity
Doljonijiarnimorinar
Europa
Indignation
Moonlight Crusaders
Omni
Taken
Anonymous

Thats 13 guilds right there, and there are probably other small off-shoots floating around like Defiance. Not to mention there are independent clerics like Renault right now who are un-guilded and are trying to get their epic as well.

That seems like a lot of cleric epics to rotate through, and I bet a lot of those guilds don't even need a cleric epic anymore. They probably just want the loot from ragefire and to sell/give MQs away to alts/twinks etc.

There needs to be some kind of system in place where clerics needing their epic get priority.

And now you see why my idea for a rotation sucks. People want their epics asap. There isn't a system that you can come up with that you will be able to get all parties on board with. Look at all the effort it took Argh to make Noble cycles happen. Everyone hates each other on this server. I would recommend you don't spend too much time thinking about this. Just try to enjoy this server for what it is or you will get burned out.

[Freakish]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60446&highlight=Ragefire&page=2

Ele already ClassicQuested that away.


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1-4 day spawn that still spawns way to often.

The forum admin of the eqclerics site so gloriously used as a source above agrees.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...3&postcount=11
With a post date of mid-Velious, which I don't disagree with in the post directly above yours.

I agree he has the possibility of being able to spawn late, but he spawns religiously on this server early. There's been only a handful of times he's gone past 27 hours here and thats usually because someone didn't realize he had spawned when they logged off. I've seen him spawn while we were killing his dragon form. That ain't right. Hell, look at the quotes.

Further, in my opinion, its not a simple random number from 1-4 days, it seems to be a bell curve. Though its *possible* to be only 1 day, or all the way out to 4.5, its far more likely to be 2 or 3. I'm not enough of a geek to figure out a median and standard deviation or anything for this though. ; )

I'm not about to go on a classicquest witch hunt, but it seems the quotes about him being more reliable of a multiple day spawn were completely ignored / disregarded.

PS, WTB Maestro 12 hour respawn like classic was.

[psway]

I quit playing after I found out how contested this camp is. Totally drained all my momentum of leveling my cleric(54) up to find out I was going to have buy my Ragefire.

[Lev_Mer]

That is a lot of pops....

thats a lot of $$.. lol why let people ruin the game by playing the economy in EQ.. go play WoW u morans

[Argh]

I quit playing after I found out how contested this camp is. Totally drained all my momentum of leveling my cleric(54) up to find out I was going to have buy my Ragefire.

Some people will let you turn in your pearl to complete your epic so long as its not being camped by a bunch of fucking savages.

[Daldaen]

Can we get back on point of discussing Ragefire mechanics? I mean if the CSR staff won't police Ragefire in some form outside of standard FTE and the admin staff won't change the mechanics of it to suit this servers need, then maybe there should be some kind of agreement regarding this spawn rather than all this douchebaggery that goes on. I'm not a raid leader, but I can probably work up some kind of proposal that sounds reasonable.

Once upon a time, there was a rotation here I believe.

But now there are many more guilds and many more epics getting sold for MQ.

Personally, I'd be all for a rotated Ragefire. Every guild gets a shot. Unguilded clerics may contact a guild to help them kill it if they had no pearls to turn in.

But the second the "R" word gets used, the neckbeards of the server get their panties in a bunch and throw a temper tantrum. Something about not being able to turn in 10 pearls in a row to sell the loot.

[Nightbear]

Some people will let you turn in your pearl to complete your epic so long as its not being camped by a bunch of fucking savages.

Exactly, we offer to kill/help Ragefire to clerics getting their epic. We offered the same thing to Korai but when other guilds showed up to contest her epic, we contested as well. We even had a member offer to buy her a heart.

I appreciate ppdanny stepping down on the banwagon hate because that's not the kind of guild we are.

And to the other dude who is trying to russle jimmies go back to rnf.

[ppdanny]

The server staff want to encourage competitiveness on this server - so what I have been thinking about is an alternating system.

Naggy Spawn 1: After naggy dies, until the next time he spawns - the kills get reserved for people who need epics for their turn-in. Not for MQing or selling. This should be a first come first serve type of deal and it should be up to person who needs the heart to arrange a raid force.

Spawn 2: After next next naggy dies, it goes to a different class FFA style. This would mean roughly every 2nd week. During this week it should be up to anyone who wants to contest the spawn, with the restrictions being same as that of any other existing raid right now. No pooping right at rage spot - furthermore, in essence of competition it should be said that the tracker cant be a mage, and that the guild who needs to turn-in has to be ready to kill both human form and dragon form when the turn-in in done.

Of course this is only a rough idea. Not necessarily something that would work either.

[ppdanny]

So I again have to further apologize to Indignation - being over tired from poopsocking all day, and frustration of what happened, I mistook the person who trained as someone in Indignation. It wasn't an indignation person at all.

I'm really sorry guys.

[jpetrick]

So I again have to further apologize to Indignation - being over tired from poopsocking all day, and frustration of what happened, I mistook the person who trained as someone in Indignation. It wasn't an indignation person at all.

I'm really sorry guys.

I appreciate you taking the time to post this. I am the only dickhead in our guild, my guys and girls really do go out of their way to help others. This means a lot to me that you have the ability to rectify a wrong.

[Tasslehofp99]

That or you need to be a guest on Sirken's stream at least a dozen times.

lol

[Samoht]

I have a proposal. No rotation. Make a list of clerics that need epics. Ragefire spawns, the first person on the list has 15 minutes to turn in their pearl. If that person is not present or AFK or fails to turn in their pearl for any other reason, the second person has 5 minutes. After 20 minutes of no cleric pearls, Ragefire goes FFA and the current rule-set takes over.

Clerics on the list probably wouldn't even need to provide their own raids. Just a guaranteed heart should be compensation enough for them to negotiate splitting the loot with any guild willing to kill Ragefire for them.

The timer for the 15 and 20 minute windows starts not when Ragefire pops, but when he is first noticed, either by tracking or body checking. Any interested party can then do a /time and take a screen shot to establish their presence and claim to the mob, but that party is in no way obligated to reveal his time stamp until after a pearl has been turned in. This benefits people who are actively tracking the mob over people who expect it to be handed to them.

Of course, modifications to this process would be necessary one Ragefire is implemented in Skyfire assuming it is still in place or needed at all at that point.

[Erati]

and what happens when the Lord Bob of clerics does not acknowledge your list ?

[Samoht]

and what happens when the Lord Bob of clerics does not acknowledge your list ?

Well, Erati, what happens now when a class C guild kills a mob designated for class R? Or KS? Or train?

Guess the outcome would be similar (items deleted and suspended for 7 days but not while any mobs are scheduled to spawn in VP).

[Nuktari]

LOL @ RF Rotation.

I suppose we should put a rotation on Verina Tomb also, heck, any / all mobs related to any / all epics.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/GDWvhVjn7yYCs/200.gif

[Samoht]

Does Verina Tomb drop raid loot now?

[Tameth]

I've seen him spawn while we were killing his dragon form.

http://i.imgur.com/6MycREA.jpg

[Lifebar]

http://static.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/92226-Tom-Cruise-hugs-Val-Kilmer-gif-58Ox.gif

[Nuktari]

Does Verina Tomb drop raid loot now?

No but she's almost always being socked, just like RF, but not to the same degree.

I see your point though, without the incentive of other loot (Ro armor, cash drops), she isn't a mob of high contest. Being unable to MQ that piece is also a benefit. That being said, if the rotation is solely to attune clerics with epics, then you gotta apply that same ruling for all epic mobs that have a line of people shooting for it. And no one is going to do that.

But the principal is the same here, if you want a mob/item, you better put your time in, just like everyone else.

This isn't World of Warcraft where you get high end items on character creation.

[Samoht]

I think the point is missed completely because Ragefire would roll to FFA after a short time, and it would be completely unnecessary for VT or VD to ever roll to FFA because they are completely worthless outside of Enchanters that need epics. They also spawn organically without requiring a quest to be turned in, so you cannot troll someone out of their VT/VD pearl like you can with RF.

Therefore my proposal would not be useful when solving VT or VD disputes. It's only intended to work for Ragefire.

[kaev]

This isn't World of Warcraft where you get high end items on character creation.

Apparently you haven't been paying attention to the folks selling cleric & rogue epic MQs to level 1 alts.

[Pint]

10 pages and nobody just outright told this guy that the gms will not enforce a RF rotation and a player rotation for RF is less likely than a luclin release? You guys gotta stop misrepresenting this server, you can't shave every day AND get ahead on this box.

[fastboy21]

As a guild we (BDA) typically only chase after Ragefires when we have new members looking to finish an epic (which is the case at the moment) but the root cause issue of why Ragefire sucks is because there's plenty of farmers that are only there to duo/trio him for the cash. The cleric MQ, CoF, gaunts of fiery might, red scales, the dragon bag, and potentially the no-drop pieces can be sold for a pile of plat.



You are only half right here. The "root cause" is that we are super far behind the time line: the server is bloated with too many high end (lvls and gear) chars on an order that exceeds live probably 30 times over. It is that far out of whack at the moment.

There is virtually no community based solution to this problem. On live, if you did jerky stuff you could at least be shunned by the server community through shaming and rejection from guilds. Here that isn't an issue for jerky people as folks have a dozen max lvl alts that they could care less about injuring a reputation.

The solution? Either an artificial solution created by the devs to compensate for the situation or you need to basically just accept that this is the way the server is. They have said velious is soon, that will help a bit. They have said they have no plans to hit the reset button or start a new blue server. So...my advice is just to accept it for what it is. This is, with all the issues, still BY FAR the best place to play classic EQ.

It also isn't all about the farmers either. You bought that epic MQ? You bought that red scale to finish your epic? ETC. You are just as much a part of the problem (and a recipient of the benefits) on the server.

[Samoht]

Here that isn't an issue for jerky people as folks have a dozen max lvl alts that they could care less about injuring a reputation.

or they just join TMO where the asshattery is praised and earns them DKP

[rubinoff]

10 pages and nobody just outright told this guy that the gms will not enforce a RF rotation and a player rotation for RF is less likely than a luclin release? You guys gotta stop misrepresenting this server, you can't shave every day AND get ahead on this box.

[webrunner5]

I'm almost tempted to ask for this post to be moved to RNF lol

Same???

[Nuktari]

Apparently you haven't been paying attention to the folks selling cleric & rogue epic MQs to level 1 alts.

Hahaha. right!

(though, the people buying MQs are still putting their time in elsewhere to get the cash platinums to buy said lvl 1 epics, dat 4 yr kunark)

All in all though, this thread is jokes and nothing will change.

Take it to RnF!

[fastboy21]

or they just join TMO where the asshattery is praised and earns them DKP

I am not defending TMO in the least, but blaming them for the whole thing is a boogey man solution. IF TMO left today, the server would be in the same scenario it is right now with all that stuff.

[arsenalpow]

I am not defending TMO in the least, but blaming them for the whole thing is a boogey man solution. IF TMO left today, the server would be in the same scenario it is right now with all that stuff.

TBH it's a guild by guild thing. We (BDA) try to research the rep of someone when they apply, especially when it's a higher level person that's been around. We look for a specific fit. TMO/IB aren't as discerning. Level 60, decent attendance, can follow directions? you can do whatever else you want basically. Even Dinacarl got to come back, he only got removed after his raid attendance dropped. As long as you're fuel for the machine then you can get away with whatever you want. That culture will always exist though even if it weren't under a TMO or IB banner, there will always be a group that embraces the mercenary mindset; Fuck decency, get money, etc etc

[fastboy21]

TBH it's a guild by guild thing. We (BDA) try to research the rep of someone when they apply, especially when it's a higher level person that's been around. We look for a specific fit. TMO/IB aren't as discerning. Level 60, decent attendance, can follow directions? you can do whatever else you want basically. Even Dinacarl got to come back, he only got removed after his raid attendance dropped. As long as you're fuel for the machine then you can get away with whatever you want. That culture will always exist though even if it weren't under a TMO or IB banner, there will always be a group that embraces the mercenary mindset; Fuck decency, get money, etc etc

Are you saying that there aren't farmers in BDA?

[Ella`Ella]

TBH it's a guild by guild thing. We (BDA) try to research the rep of someone when they apply, especially when it's a higher level person that's been around. We look for a specific fit. TMO/IB aren't as discerning. Level 60, decent attendance, can follow directions? you can do whatever else you want basically. Even Dinacarl got to come back, he only got removed after his raid attendance dropped. As long as you're fuel for the machine then you can get away with whatever you want. That culture will always exist though even if it weren't under a TMO or IB banner, there will always be a group that embraces the mercenary mindset; Fuck decency, get money, etc etc

Dinacarl din do nuffin'. He's a true hero.

[iruinedyourday]

Are you saying that there aren't farmers in BDA?

There's crybabbies i can tell you that for sure.

Sorry chest just messin' w/ ya these last few days. Dont get upset. ;p

[arsenalpow]

Are you saying that there aren't farmers in BDA?

I thought we were talking about asshattery?

[fastboy21]

I thought we were talking about asshattery?

From the perspective I was approaching the discussion, "asshattery" and "farmer" are the same issue. Not all asshats are farmers and not all farmers are asshats.

[arsenalpow]

From the perspective I was approaching the discussion, "asshattery" and "farmer" are the same issue. Not all asshats are farmers and not all farmers are asshats.

Sure, every guild has some farmers, but I think there's a difference between locking up an epic piece via duo/trio that's on some spawn variance versus farming some static spawn bullshit solo. Slowscales soloed hiero a ton and I think that's wildly different from the RF mafia.

[maskedmelon]

I'm not sure this thread is RnF material anymore. It climaxed with Tameth's entrance and has floundered since.

On topic though why isn't Ragefire's spawn irregular like it was on live. Personally I favor less variance because it does not incentivize poopsocking, but am just curious. Anyone know?

[Colgate]

thank god on the red server there is no variance after the 2nd ragefire spawn and we can just kill whoever else is there trying to take it from us

[Samoht]

thank god on the red server there is no variance after the 2nd ragefire spawn and we can just kill whoever else is there trying to take it from us

lol, that's funny because we all know that there's nobody that can contest it since there's only one guild on red, anyway

[ppdanny]

In favor of people not sticking to the actual point of this thread, I hereby request it be moved to RnF - clearly this server doesn't give a crap about whats fairness and in helping upcoming players.

Yesterday BDA members gave Indignation trouble when they got a turnin and someone needed for their epic and they didn't. Indignation had contested because Taken had shown up to contest as well.

Currently, Renault is here ready with pearl and multiple guilds have backed down to give him favor ~ except an officer in BDA named Ossomorte. Everyone who stayed here just wants to help Renault, except for Ossomorte who wants to aggressively compete for turn-in. I thought someone said something earlier about screening their applicants? I hope Ossomorte isn't one of those who does the screen ... or maybe that is why BDA already has the reputation that they do...

[Samoht]

Yesterday BDA members gave Indignation trouble when they got a turnin and someone needed for their epic and they didn't.

L2P (learn to pronoun)

[Raev]

I thought we were talking about asshattery?

The difference between BDA and TMO is that TMO is competent enough to monopolize things more important than King Tranix.

[maskedmelon]

The difference between BDA and TMO is that TMO is competent enough to monopolize things more important than King Tranix.

Lol

[Daldaen]

The difference between BDA and TMO is that TMO is competent enough to monopolize things more important than King Tranix.

Everyone starts somewhere Lorean.

You do remember that TMO was monopolizing Droga for Lockets and Circlets to gouge prices on them back when Kunark was new. Now look at them! Getting like 30% of Class C/FFA dragons.

[arsenalpow]

In favor of people not sticking to the actual point of this thread, I hereby request it be moved to RnF - clearly this server doesn't give a crap about whats fairness and in helping upcoming players.

Yesterday BDA members gave Indignation trouble when they got a turnin and someone needed for their epic and they didn't. Indignation had contested because Taken had shown up to contest as well.

Currently, Renault is here ready with pearl and multiple guilds have backed down to give him favor ~ except an officer in BDA named Ossomorte. Everyone who stayed here just wants to help Renault, except for Ossomorte who wants to aggressively compete for turn-in. I thought someone said something earlier about screening their applicants? I hope Ossomorte isn't one of those who does the screen ... or maybe that is why BDA already has the reputation that they do...

The reputation they do? Gtfo. Like I've said before we only chase RF when we have new clerics in need of an epic, and right now there's at least 2 or 3 I can think of. No one "backs off" for BDA. We get it from both sides these days.

[ppdanny]

The reputation they do? Gtfo. Like I've said before we only chase RF when we have new clerics in need of an epic, and right now there's at least 2 or 3 I can think of. No one "backs off" for BDA. We get it from both sides these days.

Did you just imply Ossomorte is a new cleric in need of an epic?

[Troubled]

Did you just imply Ossomorte is a new cleric in need of an epic?

Did you just imply heart can't be MQed to a cleric in need of an epic?

[ppdanny]

Did you just imply heart can't be MQed to a cleric in need of an epic?

I knew I should have joined BDA - get my epic given to me to fuel their zerg.

[Troubled]

I knew I should have joined BDA - get my epic given to me to fuel their zerg.

app denied

[Renault]

app denied

lol

[ppdanny]

from: noreply@guildlaunch.com
reply-to: noreply@guildlaunch.com
to: <censored>@gmail.com
date: Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 9:45 AM
subject: Your application for Bregan D`Aerth has been accepted!
mailed-by: guildlaunch.com


noreply@guildlaunch.com
12/2/11

to me
Greetings,

Your application to the guild site for Bregan D`Aerth has been accepted. Please visit the site at http://bregan.guildlaunch.com and check your private messages for more info.

This email was sent because you requested to be notified when a decision was made on your application at the time that you applied to the guild site. You will only receive messages if your application is accepted or denied.

-The Guild Site Admin

--- glad I never did join lol

[Troubled]

So you've been on this server for 5 years and didn't expect competition at RF?

[Samoht]

I knew I should have joined BDA
glad I never did join

wut

consistency, man, it's over there --------------->

<--------------- you're over here

[ppdanny]

wut

consistency, man, it's over there --------------->

<--------------- you're over here

no sarcasm allowed apparently

[Samoht]

well you definitely can't have it both ways. you either want BDAs help with your epic (join them) or you're competing with them. what motivation do they have to help a non-guilded cleric with ragefire when they can spawn ragefire on their own?

[iruinedyourday]

well you definitely can't have it both ways. you either want BDAs help with your epic (join them) or you're competing with them. what motivation do they have to help a non-guilded cleric with ragefire when they app any new player on the server and throw as much minor gear at them as possible?

fify

[HalflingWarrior]

It takes about 4 years of cockblocking and asshattery and a lull between new game releases before any major changes to policy take place.

That or you need to be a guest on Sirken's stream at least a dozen times.

Don't blame anyone for the current scene but the ones who created it. This is crap that's been going on since the server's inception and the people who did it then are still here doing it. With the rules as they are, your only choice is to deal with it or get over it.

Let's add that it's these very same people who appear almost EVERY WEEK on Sirken's stream, and who actually engineered the design and implementation of the current "raiding rules."

I also once heard Sirken say that "BDA isn't allowed" on his stream. Anyone know why exactly that is? All I ever see on his stream are TMO, Rampage and Holocaust guild members. Maybe once every 6 months he'll have a group of people from Azure Guard or something on the stream.

[Juryiel]

what motivation do they have to help a non-guilded cleric with ragefire when they can spawn ragefire on their own?

The "Us vs Them" mentality is absolutely not a requirement. Random people in guilds I'm not part of have sent me a tell asking for help with some part of their epic, and I was happy to help if I have the online time. I still remember early when I joined the server when a monk in Taken was trying to gather a force for Xenovorash sometime late at night and me and a bunch of Omni pals went to help out because for whatever reason Taken's force was not available. The benefit was to help make someone happy, that is often motivation enough :) Seeing him complete the fight he really wanted was rewarding to me and those who went to help.

Being in a guild doesn't necessitate that you have to put your guildies first in all situations. Sometimes it's just as rewarding for all the members of one guild to make someone else, especially someone with less resources than you in a smaller guild, happy by helping them out. And sometimes appreciating invested camp time someone is willing to put in and stepping aside that round for a contested mob can also be rewarding. Stuff like that really goes a long way to making EQ an enjoyable experience. This server is far more cutthroat than I remember classic EQ to be in many situations, but this doesn't have to be the case :) On classic EQ people routinely stepped aside when another guild or group was already there in a camp or in a zone in force, rather than trying to leapfrog or out-click each other, so it IS possible.

[HalflingWarrior]

So you've been on this server for 5 years and didn't expect competition at RF?

Such a SAD fucking playerbase

You losers have been poopsocking Ragefyre for FIVE FUCKING YEARS and wonder why there's a rampant RMT problem?

These GMs were able to rout people who've bought as little as 2k or 3kpp and banned their accounts, yet they didn't hit the SUPPLY LINE at all. The people who're moving MILLIONS of platinum around and selling it off for RMT.

The server, at this point, is totally-unclassic and has absolutely zero integrity. Too bad they won't open another, timeline-based blue server because that'd cut into their RMT kickbacks.

[HalflingWarrior]

The "Us vs Them" mentality is absolutely not a requirement. Random people in guilds I'm not part of have sent me a tell asking for help with some part of their epic, and I was happy to help if I have the online time. I still remember early when I joined the server when a monk in Taken was trying to gather a force for Xenovorash. The benefit was to help make someone happy, that is often motivation enough :) Seeing him complete the fight he really wanted was rewarding to me and those who went to help.

Yea sounds rewarding. One might even say, CLASSIC? A large factor in my nostalgia for classic EverQuest, especially as it compares to modern MMOs, was the very aptly named MASSIVE sense of community the game fostered.

People were always helping one another out just for the reward of "making someone's day." People were always running anyones-welcome pickup raids to places like plane of hate/fear, velious armor farming, plane of growth clears.

Unfortunately this server fosters precisely the opposite type of player. The type person whos an extremely narcissistic, borderline sociopathic, asperger's full spectrum loser who's willing to poopsock mobs for 16+ hours a day, for FOUR YEARS concurrent.

[rubinoff]

Unfortunately this server fosters precisely the opposite type of player. The type person whos an extremely narcissistic, borderline sociopathic, asperger's full spectrum loser who's willing to poopsock mobs for 16+ hours a day, for FOUR YEARS concurrent.

http://i53.tinypic.com/14wzqzn.jpg

[zanderklocke]

http://i.imgur.com/6MycREA.jpg

Can you have two dragons up at once?

That would be cool.

[ppdanny]

Thankfully, I only have to do this epic once to replace the one I owe my friend who arranged for me to have the one I have - this camp is not worth the drama...

[Aviann]

Yea sounds rewarding. One might even say, CLASSIC? A large factor in my nostalgia for classic EverQuest, especially as it compares to modern MMOs, was the very aptly named MASSIVE sense of community the game fostered.

People were always helping one another out just for the reward of "making someone's day." People were always running anyones-welcome pickup raids to places like plane of hate/fear, velious armor farming, plane of growth clears.

Unfortunately this server fosters precisely the opposite type of player. The type person whos an extremely narcissistic, borderline sociopathic, asperger's full spectrum loser who's willing to poopsock mobs for 16+ hours a day, for FOUR YEARS concurrent.

You know.... You're right man. You should do something about this shit.

[TrendyDru]

fify

Cleric epic is minor gear? Brb apping on sham for torpor.

PS this thread is hilarious. Probably the first 5+ page thread I've read every post on. I still bitch about torpor. And the fact of spells not going to classes that can use them is he reason I don't pug crypt anymore on the shaman. I've lost torpor too many times. Only do crypt on my shaman with a guild group.

[Tameth]

lol, that's funny because we all know that there's nobody that can contest it since there's only one guild on red, anyway

If you're implying that Holo is the only guild doing Ragefire, you're wrong.

[iruinedyourday]

PS this thread is hilarious. Probably the first 5+ page thread I've read every post on. I still bitch about torpor. And the fact of spells not going to classes that can use them is he reason I don't pug crypt anymore on the shaman. I've lost torpor too many times. Only do crypt on my shaman with a guild group.

when you have 1 of every class, you need 1 of every thing. Then 1 to sell!

Cleric epic is minor gear?

for a guild that is pretty proud of what they can do, they sure do spend a lot of time raiding groupable merbs

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Oh? We want classic ragefire where pissants who couldn't react in half a second once every 7 days get involved? They made rage babby mode because it was vicious. You don't want that back. Maybe some skyfire pearls would be to your liking.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Such a SAD fucking playerbase

You losers have been poopsocking Ragefyre for FIVE FUCKING YEARS and wonder why there's a rampant RMT problem?

These GMs were able to rout people who've bought as little as 2k or 3kpp and banned their accounts, yet they didn't hit the SUPPLY LINE at all. The people who're moving MILLIONS of platinum around and selling it off for RMT.

The server, at this point, is totally-unclassic and has absolutely zero integrity. Too bad they won't open another, timeline-based blue server because that'd cut into their RMT kickbacks.

approaching anthrax levels of immersion. Take a step back mate.

[ppdanny]

If a main guild cleric needs this, then it should be right to even camp this to MQ to them, no? Problem is, you can't even prove if a person is a main in this day in age...

[Samoht]

If a main guild cleric needs this, then it should be right to even camp this to MQ to them, no? Problem is, you can't even prove if a person is a main in this day in age...

didn't you JUST admit that you didn't need ragefire yourself and that you were doing it to MQ for a friend?

Thankfully, I only have to do this epic once to replace the one I owe my friend who arranged for me to have the one I have - this camp is not worth the drama...

OH WAIT YOU FUCKING DID

huge hypocrite.

[ppdanny]

didn't you JUST admit that you didn't need ragefire yourself and that you were doing it to MQ for a friend?



OH WAIT YOU FUCKING DID

huge hypocrite.

Yes, I need it to replace the one I owe for the one I have now.
Yes, a guildie needs his epic for his main cleric.

Now stop trolling.

[Samoht]

Now stop trolling.

no u

[ppdanny]

The best part is.. you called me a hypocrite for asking a question. I didn't even make a statement at that point. Not to mention, in that post the situation was made to be hypothetical, but I think you completely missed the word 'If'.

[maskedmelon]

Yes, I need it to replace the one I owe for the one I have now.
Yes, a guildie needs his epic for his main cleric.

Now stop trolling.

Ok now this thread is RnF material lol:

Page 15 OP acknowledges they are engaging in the behavior that they originally complained about.

I don't know if the original post was a troll or if you were serious. If trolling, I applaud. If not, I still applaud because it has been entertaining ^^

[ppdanny]

Ok now this thread is RnD material lol:

Page 15 OP acknowledges they are engaging in the behavior that they originally complained about.

I don't know if the original post was a troll or if you were serious. If trolling, I applaud. If not, I still applaud because it has been entertaining ^^

I guess that means that my friend who I owe a cleric epic to doesn't need his epic.. at least according to you. I'm not doing this to sell like BDA is.. theres a huge difference in that.

So please, can you also go troll elsewhere now?

[Samoht]

I'm not doing this to sell like BDA is.

actually, yes you are.

you stated that you committed a ragefire heart to your friend in trade for a ragefire heart for yourself.

is that not a transaction? it just seems that you're having troubles upholding your end of the bargain.

when you first posted, i had assumed you were a cleric looking for your epic. now the truth is revealed, and you're just one of the people you're complaining about.

so please, continue to bring up that a guild is farming hearts to MQ for their clerics when that's exactly what you're doing yourself. you just seem to be upset that they're more efficient at it than you.

[Ailae]

I guess that means that my friend who I owe a cleric epic to doesn't need his epic.. at least according to you. I'm not doing this to sell like BDA is.. theres a huge difference in that.

So please, can you also go troll elsewhere now?

I don't believe for a second after your behavior yesterday that this is anything other than a MQ to sell. You pop in and out for a good part of the beginning of the window rather than just standing there to contest it, which I'm sorry you aren't camping him to get the turn in if you don't even stay logged in. Get in a pissing match with us, then you log. Pop in and out a few more times, then eventually come back to apologize. Even trying to go so far as to get a temporary invite to our guild to do so. An agreement with every other guild that popped in was to let Renault have the turn in since he was an epicless, guildless cleric, Renault chose us to assist with the kill because we were the ONLY ones who were standing side by side with him the entire time. We had a brief moment with BDA but even they left it to Renault. Then at the tail end of the window you train us with 5 mobs to drag a guildy in, then you show your true colors by contesting it again. Claiming your guildy needs his epic. Which after Renault stood there for the WHOLE time you doing that was the biggest dick move ever and doesn't make you any better than any of these supposed horrible people previously mentioned. If its that important to you to repay your supposed debt, spend 5 days camping items to get 30k and buy the heart and be done with it.

[ppdanny]

I guess you don't understand the fundamental difference of '/auction WTS cleric epic for 60k' and 'thank you for getting me this epic when you did, I am finally able to MQ one back to you on a character I know you are using for the guild and not some twink level 1 cleric running around with an epic'

[Samoht]

oh, i understand the difference just fine, but it looks to me more like you're making unfounded claims against someone just because they beat you to the turn in.

where's the screen shot of the /auc or the link to his thread selling epics?

you're frustrated, i get that, but you already have your epic, am i right? so move on. your "friend" clearly made a bad deal. if it's that important to you, pay him off in plat or something since you don't seem good enough at this game to acquire a replacement heart yourself.

[Tiggles]

I guess you don't understand the fundamental difference of '/auction WTS cleric epic for 60k' and 'thank you for getting me this epic when you did, I am finally able to MQ one back to you on a character I know you are using for the guild and not some twink level 1 cleric running around with an epic'

You just got slammed dunked bro.

No room to talk anymore.

[ppdanny]

oh, i understand the difference just fine, but it looks to me more like you're making unfounded claims against someone just because they beat you to the turn in.

where's the screen shot of the /auc or the link to his thread selling epics?

you're frustrated, i get that, but you already have your epic, am i right? so move on. your "friend" clearly made a bad deal. if it's that important to you, pay him off in plat or something since you don't seem good enough at this game to acquire a replacement heart yourself.

You are right I'm not good enough.. not when I get trained / blocked by the same player . I am done engaging you since judging by most of your forums posts I have read, your objective is to troll.

[Samoht]

You are right I'm not good enough.. not when I get trained / blocked by the same player . I am done engaging you since judging by most of your forums posts I have read, your objective is to troll.

hey, i would have happily supported you up until i found out you were misleading me.

[maskedmelon]

I guess you don't understand the fundamental difference of '/auction WTS cleric epic for 60k' and 'thank you for getting me this epic when you did, I am finally able to MQ one back to you on a character I know you are using for the guild and not some twink level 1 cleric running around with an epic'

Sure it is a subtle one, but I get what you are saying. What level were you when you received your epic. Given that you are finally able to repay this debt, it sounds like it has been quite some time.

Now here's a difference for you to consider:

Really your argument at this point is: "Someone was generous to me, so others should be generous to me too so that I can be generous back to him!"

If your friend was the one trying to do his epic, I think people would be more sympathetic to the fact that he gave up his epic to his friend and was now trying to get his own.

You on the other hand are getting mad at others for not helping you repay someone who helped you.

See the difference?

[ppdanny]

Actually, I'm more frustrated with the people getting in my way / violating server rules to stop me.. but thanks for your unwelcome input.

[Samoht]

Actually, I'm more frustrated with the people getting in my way

this is not against the rules.

violating server rules to stop me.. but thanks for your unwelcome input.

training is, though, but it takes substantial proof to have it enforced or the trainers punished. i've been trained many times by TMO members, and never seen them punished. they've even gone so far as to switch to untagged alts and chain fear mobs in my camp to steal the camp. they have literally pulled an entire zones on top of my groups when we were there first just to force us out. you've got to learn to deal with it and move on.

even if someone trained you ultimately preventing you from turning in your pearl, though, you're still not going to be handed ragefire loot. you've actually got to get the pearl turned in and kill the mob yourself. so be ready for the next one, and try to be more vigilant about where you're sitting and avoiding trains.

it's the only thing you can do in this situation.

[Loke]

This thread actually makes me want to log in and farm RF.

[jpetrick]

I wasn't mad anymore at this dude after he apologized for outright lying about my guild training him, but now we learn this dude is farming an epic for someone other than himself? Fuck this guy.

[ppdanny]

Says the guild that has been poopsocking it 18+ hours a day with all epic'd characters there

[Samoht]

Says the guild that has been poopsocking it 18+ hours a day with all epic'd characters there

you have an epic, too...

[Zombiehasslehoff]

Next time on Real Poopsockers of Norrath ...

[jpetrick]

May want to stretch. Otherwise you could hurt yourself with all these mental gymnastics you are doing right now.

[Tameth]

you have an epic, too...

I probably sold it to him :cool:

[Nirgon]

tam tam

thank you ma'am

[skipdog]

The difference between BDA and TMO is that TMO is competent enough to monopolize things more important than King Tranix.

GOLD JERRY, GOLD!!

[Alanus]

I wish epics were not MQable. Were they even MQable on live? I don't recall them ever being MQed

[iruinedyourday]

you guys are making me go red...

[Lifebar]

I bought my heart MQ from Pint many moons ago. Still 100% satisfied. Smooth transfer, would deal again. The server even came down partway through (twice!). Honest, reliable, 10/10.

[Swish]

GOLD JERRY, GOLD!!

http://img.pandawhale.com/158082-thats-gold-jerry-gold-gif-Sein-iBbA.gif

[Nuktari]

you guys are making me go red...

... you can't handle blue!

https://media3.giphy.com/media/SGL6zJNRn36CY/200.gif

[Synthlol]

The train that almost wiped out everyone at Ragefire last night was brought within range of the poopsockers by an AFK Indignation monk named Raffix, who failed to feign before leaving his keyboard with his character in a poorly chosen location.

Snapcaster of <Rampage> has a fraps of the incident.

[Treats]

Ya'll are lucky Ragefire isn't a 7 day spawn yet...

[jpetrick]

Punctuation please. I can't decipher what that run on sentence is trying to convey.

[Synthlol]

Can you wrap your simple mind around it now?

Troll.

[Staypuft]

Haha so sitting by spawns I have a timer on and having 3 fire giants trained on me is my fault. Show me that rule please.

Also your welcome for cleaning up that train while you stood there and got basicly a uncontested spawn.

Gratz on the good drops Rampage.

[Pint]

I bought my heart MQ from Pint many moons ago. Still 100% satisfied. Smooth transfer, would deal again. The server even came down partway through (twice!). Honest, reliable, 10/10.

haha i remember that one, awesome!

[Nightbear]

Troll.

I thought Nuktari was the troll?

[jpetrick]

So someone else trained and its his fault for being there AFK? You're an idiot.

[Pookieson]

fraps or gtfo

[Nuktari]

I thought Nuktari was the troll?

Confirmed: True

[Kayak]

The train that almost wiped out everyone at Ragefire last night was brought within range of the poopsockers by an AFK Indignation monk named Raffix, who failed to feign before leaving his keyboard with his character in a poorly chosen location.

Snapcaster of <Rampage> has a fraps of the incident.

What Snapcasters fraps doesn't show is the AG bard training up and dying for rez properly then ppdanny aka Dragonreborn trying to drag him and getting the bards train then Dragonreborn dies and puts said train on Raffix. Dragon being bound in the lair did help with his train so there is that.
Us dealing with this got snap caster the turnin I don't even know why you bother.

Lets get our facts straight Snappy.
-Kayak <Indignation>

[firesyde424]

What Snapcasters fraps doesn't show is the AG bard training up and dying for rez properly then ppdanny aka Dragonreborn trying to drag him and getting the bards train then Dragonreborn dies and puts said train on Raffix. Dragon being bound in the lair did help with his train so there is that.
Us dealing with this got snap caster the turnin I don't even know why you bother.

Lets get our facts straight Snappy.
-Kayak <Indignation>

Whoever it was that trained, I ended up getting my epic. Dragonreborn rezzed me, then rezzed himself after the train. When Ragefire popped, which coincidentally was a half second before the "earthquake, my rez sickness had decayed just enough that I could drag myself over for the turn-n.

[Synthlol]

What Snapcasters fraps doesn't show is the AG bard training up and dying for rez properly then ppdanny aka Dragonreborn trying to drag him and getting the bards train then Dragonreborn dies and puts said train on Raffix. Dragon being bound in the lair did help with his train so there is that.
Us dealing with this got snap caster the turnin I don't even know why you bother.

Lets get our facts straight Snappy.
-Kayak <Indignation>

Oh, you want the facts do you?

#1 Dragonreborn is no longer in AG because he trained Raffix.

#2 Ragefire spawned after all the fire giants were dead and the casualties were clicked. Indignation got beat by Snapcaster because ya'll were busy bitching about having to deal with the fire giants instead of getting back to the poopsock.

[Nightbear]

The train that almost wiped out everyone at Ragefire last night was brought within range of the poopsockers by an AFK Indignation monk named Raffix.


#1 Dragonreborn is no longer in AG because he trained Raffix.


?

[Synthlol]

What, do you think those two statements are exclusive of each other?

[Nightbear]

So it's our fault because someone that used to be in your guild trained us?

[Synthlol]

Dragonreborn didn't bring any giants within aggro range of anyone near Zordak's spawn. A monk who didn't hit his FD key before going AFK outside of the gate to Nagafen's lair chained them onto everyone. Our cleric and your monk should both know better.

[Tameth]

There's always another ragefire bros. One big thing I learned while camping him. Come back tomorrow. Bring your pearl.






Unless his spawn breaks again which requires a Naggy death to usually reset him.

[ppdanny]

So.. they should take Naggy off the earthquake list of things that spawn.. got me killed multiple times and reset the ragefire timer :( Thanks for screwing me over.

[ppdanny]

Another quake messing up the spawn :(