JBoot cost

[wormed]

Why aren't jboot MQ's going down in price? I understand that people are more than welcome to camp AC to sell but it sucks that with how often that thing is sold, the price stays consistently the same. I imagine the reason is because there are so many people with SO much money that they just continually pay the price to gear their alts with jboots. Not to mention, I was told by someone that they were on their 105th MQ. I mean... god damn!!

As a Paladin, I don't have a shot in hell unless I just happen to get smacked in the face by AC in some crazy twist of fate.

Yes, when I level up, maybe I'll have more money but 7-8k is still a lot if you're just gearing up through regular channels, and a lot of money generally has to go to your character as well. Since it's a level 30ish Cyclops, mid levels could camp it but it's just impossible atm.

Anyway, sorry, maybe it's a rant. I understand he is a FTE mob which makes it slightly less brutal. Is the AC more common in OOT? Higher level mob so I don't think I can solo that guy until maybe mid 40's I figure.

tl;dr start selling jboot MQ's for cheaper, plz. ;D

[Oleris]

I think like 1.5 years ago they changed the spawn of the one in Oasis/Ro one which made it harder to spawn. So, comes down to OOT spawn.

[Alanus]

On live, I think the OOT one was level 40, too. Not sure if it's that way here.

Paladin gear is pretty cheap, though. You can get deepwater armor real cheap, and Baton of Faith is under 100pp now.

[Pheer]

As a Paladin, I don't have a shot in hell unless I just happen to get smacked in the face by AC in some crazy twist of fate.


One time on my SK i ran directly into AC while running through south ro, someone had been camping it too

miracles can happen dawg

[wormed]

On live, I think the OOT one was level 40, too. Not sure if it's that way here.

Paladin gear is pretty cheap, though. You can get deepwater armor real cheap, and Baton of Faith is under 100pp now.

Definitely. Probably the only reason I'm decently geared is because Paladin stuff is generally cheap. Doesn't mean I have a lot of extra coin to spare. :p I think I've saved up to 1200pp. I quested my own Ro pieces (Boots/Greaves) etc, to save some coin.

One time on my SK i ran directly into AC while running through south ro, someone had been camping it too

miracles can happen dawg

lol, true.

[Nirgon]

ancient cyclops was immune to fire @ least in sro

cannot find prof

[Tankdan]

Supply and demand.

4 years of kunark means lots of alts that need Jboots.

[mr_jon3s]

Pretty much every main on the server needs jboots and every alt. also the price has dropped used to be 8k and I am seeing people sell them for 7k.

[Pokesan]

ancient cyclops was immune to fire @ least in sro

cannot find prof

I remember that being the case

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

7-8k seems more than fair to me. It's a pretty kick ass item, and for some classes it is amazing. Find a zone with lots of mobs easy for you to kill at your level, and mow through them till bags full of whatever, sell off, repeat. Given say level 25, it should only take a month give or take to save 7k.

See, this server isn't going anywhere. All that is happening is Velious is coming out but that does not change much, to be honest. Those jboots are always gonna rock, and are always gonna be there waiting. And I am guessing, so will the players. It takes a lot of pressure off. If you can chill and just farm/sell/save, you got yer jboots. Only downside is if you play w/ friends who are leveling at a certain rate but hell, you could all get together and maybe cut a 6 for the price of 5 deal or something with one of the enterprising AC campers.

If you want the boots, take the time and go for em. They make lower levels especially very nice.

[Ele]

Who is gonna buy traveler's boots?!

[iruinedyourday]

7-8k seems more than fair to me. It's a pretty kick ass item, and for some classes it is amazing. Find a zone with lots of mobs easy for you to kill at your level, and mow through them till bags full of whatever, sell off, repeat. Given say level 25, it should only take a month give or take to save 7k.

Heh I agree, its like priced exactly as it should be for the difficulty to obtain.

Easy camp, little bit of a journey, lots of lawyering, some mq.. Its got the whole package.

If it were any less you'd borderline have to do it yourself half the time.

I like how its like this steady little economy simulator heh

[wormed]

I'm not saying they're not worth it nor am I saying I'm unwilling to camp them, I'm saying it is impossible with how many high levels camp them. The fact the boots stay so high contrary to how often it is camped is wholly due to the wealth amassed at the top end, not normal economics.

I could have 7k now if my guy was butt naked but unfortunately as you level, you sorta attempt to gear yourself so you're not gibbed in groups and/or can solo ... Sorta.

I'll try later today.

[Itap]

I'm curious as to why OT hammers dropped significantly. Are there that many puppet strings out there?

[Duncon]

I'm not saying they're not worth it nor am I saying I'm unwilling to camp them, I'm saying it is impossible with how many high levels camp them. The fact the boots stay so high contrary to how often it is camped is wholly due to the wealth amassed at the top end, not normal economics.

I could have 7k now if my guy was butt naked but unfortunately as you level, you sorta attempt to gear yourself so you're not gibbed in groups and/or can solo ... Sorta.

I'll try later today.

I never considered Jboots for 7-8k when Sow pots are 100p. Granted there is a mental barrier knowing its 10p each time you click that pot and it is not instant, but its there when you need it / want it.

BTW Any tips for melatite for the Ro stuff. Been trying to buy it without success and don't want to kill gnomes.

[maskedmelon]

JBoots were cheaper before the AC spawn changes. Price is a function of supply and demand and piles of plat at the top. Only way around it is to invest some time, get max level land a couple of high-end drops and then enjoy JBoots and the like on your 2nd, 3rd and and 14th characters ^^

[maskedmelon]

Who is gonna buy traveler's boots?!

What was the sticker price in those again?

[wormed]

I never considered Jboots for 7-8k when Sow pots are 100p. Granted there is a mental barrier knowing its 10p each time you click that pot and it is not instant, but its there when you need it / want it.

BTW Any tips for melatite for the Ro stuff. Been trying to buy it without success and don't want to kill gnomes.

No real tips except try in EC for awhile and if not successful, make a trip to SolA and ask in the zone. I found one being sold in EC and one being sold in SolA. Both were about 15-20p. You could buy them from merchants but they sell for 100p. Not worth it unless you've got the money to spend.

[wormed]

What was the sticker price in those again?

Looks like they were around 6.3k.

[wormed]

JBoots were cheaper before the AC spawn changes. Price is a function of supply and demand and piles of plat at the top. Only way around it is to invest some time, get max level land a couple of high-end drops and then enjoy JBoots and the like on your 2nd, 3rd and and 14th characters ^^

Where is my knight in shining armor that will sell me Jboots for 2k out of the goodness of their EQ hearts for a glorious struggle Paladin? I wish I was a chick. I'd have boots for sure! ;P

[Daldaen]

Where is my knight in shining armor that will sell me Jboots for 2k out of the goodness of their EQ hearts for a glorious struggle Paladin? I wish I was a chick. I'd have boots for sure! ;P

I have 2 60s and a few 50-40s Alts.

I own 0 JBoots and I do just fine.

[wormed]

I have 2 60s and a few 50-40s Alts.

I own 0 JBoots and I do just fine.

;)

[Ele]

What was the sticker price in those again?

Little bit more than Tink bags, but that 1.5 second cast time :(

[wormed]

Kill the PH's only to have it stolen from me when I was literally 2 feet away by Ambit of Taken. Awesome.

[Erati]

I have 2 60s and a few 50-40s Alts.

I own 0 JBoots and I do just fine.

this is a lie hes made fun of all the time bc he depends on silly sow pots at 60!

[Daldaen]

Kill the PH's only to have it stolen from me when I was literally 2 feet away by Ambit of Taken. Awesome.

SRo one or OoT one?

SRo one that's just how that camp goes. OOT one you can get your ring back from Ambit if it was your camp.

[wormed]

SRo one or OoT one?

SRo one that's just how that camp goes. OOT one you can get your ring back from Ambit if it was your camp.

It was SRo, I can't solo the AC in OOT, I don't think. I know how the camp works because someone explained it to me. Still though, to me, that was some low-brow stuff. I was honestly in attack distance and his instant "uncomfortable" spell hit first (I think - it was hard to tell because it was THAT close). I realize that's how the camp works but I really hope he feels shitty about it. That's just very uncool and hey, maybe that's how P99 is at the top, I don't know.

Still sucks ass. Some people don't have the luxury of having 60's to camp JBoots with ease. Camping it prevents me from leveling as well, or making money, or progressing... really.

Anyway, I'm not saying he wasn't within his rights to do what he did but it still sucks and it wasn't very nice.

[maskedmelon]

Camping it prevents me from leveling as well, or making money, or progressing... really.


That is the beauty of MQ! You can earn your JBoots while leveling without ever having to deal with situations like this or the frustration, lost time and energy associated with it ^^ SoW pots are vastly more economical too. For me it'd take 2-3 years of normal use to burn enough sow pots to pay for JBoots. The pots are also transferable (if they haven't been spent) whereas the boots are an immediate sunk cost. It's like leasing vs. buying, except there is not maintenance associated with the purchase in this case.... ^^

[Daldaen]

That's why I never buy JBoots.

They cost 7-8k I think.

SoW Potions are 100.

Thats 70 Sow Potions for the same price, or 700 casts of SoW, or 25200 minutes of SoW, or 420 hours or 17.5 continuous days of being SoW'd.

Just keep 3-4 on you and every month visit EC and drop another 300-400 on some more.

SoW is 20% faster and lasts twice as long as JBoots.

[wormed]

That is the beauty of MQ! You can earn your JBoots while leveling without ever having to deal with situations like this or the frustration, lost time and energy associated with it ^^ SoW pots are vastly more economical too. For me it'd take 2-3 years of normal use to burn enough sow pots to pay for JBoots. The pots are also transferable (if they haven't been spent) whereas the boots are an immediate sunk cost. It's like leasing vs. buying, except there is not maintenance associated with the purchase in this case.... ^^

It's one of those items that is absolutely ruined by MQ, imo.

MQ is great, I agree, but in this case, this is one of those items that I'm having a tough time feeling great about, especially after what just happened. 100pp is a lot of skrilla if I need to consistently replenish it.

Aaaaaaanyway, I'm just bitching and moaning. But I do hope he feels bad about it!~!!

[Halius]

I don't have jboots either. I can't tell you how many times strafe running saved my ass.

[Daldaen]

It's one of those items that is absolutely ruined by MQ, imo.

MQ is great, I agree, but in this case, this is one of those items that I'm having a tough time feeling great about, especially after what just happened. 100pp is a lot of skrilla if I need to consistently replenish it.

Aaaaaaanyway, I'm just bitching and moaning. But I do hope he feels bad about it!~!!

You seem to be stuck on "consistently" replenishing it.

How often do you play? Every night? A few hours?

How often are you in an indoor dungeon or grouped with a shaman, druid or ranger?

Answer those questions yourself. Then think each dose of a SoW potion lasts 36min. You won't need them indoors or when you're grouped with players who can cast it.

If you played exclusively outdoors and 3 hours a night every night (21 a week) and you always needed to be SoW'd and you only soloed, never grouping with someone who could SoW you. That would cost you 420pp a week to stay SoW'd.

The thing is, most players often travel to and exp in dungeons where you can't SoW or JBoot. Most players often don't need to be running fast when they are in a group at a static camp in an outdoor zone. Many players favor grouping over soloing and at your level 3/14 classes can cast SoW and 2 of those 3 are the most common on the server.

In actuality you probably won't even use more than 200pp a week even playing every day for 3 hours when all that is factored in.

[wormed]

You seem to be stuck on "consistently" replenishing it.

How often do you play? Every night? A few hours?

How often are you in an indoor dungeon or grouped with a shaman, druid or ranger?

Answer those questions yourself. Then think each dose of a SoW potion lasts 36min. You won't need them indoors or when you're grouped with players who can cast it.

If you played exclusively outdoors and 3 hours a night every night (21 a week) and you always needed to be SoW'd and you only soloed, never grouping with someone who could SoW you. That would cost you 420pp a week to stay SoW'd.

The thing is, most players often travel to and exp in dungeons where you can't SoW or JBoot. Most players often don't need to be running fast when they are in a group at a static camp in an outdoor zone. Many players favor grouping over soloing and at your level 3/14 classes can cast SoW and 2 of those 3 are the most common on the server.

In actuality you probably won't even use more than 200pp a week even playing every day for 3 hours when all that is factored in.

I play daily, ranges from a couple hours to many. I'm always outdoors as I'm generally leveling in Mistmoore as of late, and not many indoor dungeons are busy enough to find groups (SolA, Paw).

I usually solo, however. Mainly because I'm not a fan of staying LFG for long as if I have free time, I'd like to progress my levels and not waste time. I was in Rathe Mountains for a few levels, for example.

200pp a week is still a decent chunk of change. That's the point I'm trying to make. SoW potions are great but they wouldn't replace the functionality of JBoots. FS stuff weighs lots, so does small bronze. They only sell for 3-5p at vendor, and if I want to make any money off the bronze, I need to hit EC, which takes time. Money drops off mobs is inconsequential since it ranges from 5g to 1p. I might get lucky and score a Garg Eye or 2. But anyway, 200pp-400p per week just on SoW pots isn't feasible. Well, it COULD be, but then I'd be saving probably nothing to very little to further develop my character.

EDIT: Giant Skels in Rathe were decent as they dropped about 2p per skel, but never any weapons or anything. I'd sell the bone chips for 10p a stack. That's generally where I was able to save some coin since it was consistent. However, at 33, it's not as good of a level spot any longer. It's ok but fear kiting skels for 3 levels makes you very jaded about doing it more. :D

[Daldaen]

So the purpose of SoW/JBoots is to just run to the vendors to sell FS and run back to MM? Sounds like some WR bags would be more helpful in this. Cheaper ones like light burlap sack, bag of sewn evil eye and box of nil space?

Cause I don't think you need it while EXPing in MM unless I'm wrong?

Can always just nab a SoW before you head to vendors from a random grouping druid or shaman as well.

[Zombiehasslehoff]

Were travelers boots added with velious or later on?

[wormed]

So the purpose of SoW/JBoots is to just run to the vendors to sell FS and run back to MM? Sounds like some WR bags would be more helpful in this. Cheaper ones like light burlap sack, bag of sewn evil eye and box of nil space?

Cause I don't think you need it while EXPing in MM unless I'm wrong?

Can always just nab a SoW before you head to vendors from a random grouping druid or shaman as well.

The purpose of SoW/JBoots is for travel, yes. As I said, I solo a lot too as grouping isn't always the most efficient, even as a Paladin. I've thought of buying some WR bags but then I generally think I should save for JBoots. Then I had this bright idea of camping them for myself... but here we are.

I understand that I don't *need* Jboots, just like I don't *need* many things in this game. However, I was just pointing out that it is literally impossible, barring any sort of spawn miracle, for first time characters to be able to receive an item that should be obtainable for a lvl30 player.

That's all. Sorry.

[Freakish]

You seem to be stuck on "consistently" replenishing it.

How often do you play? Every night? A few hours?

How often are you in an indoor dungeon or grouped with a shaman, druid or ranger?

Answer those questions yourself. Then think each dose of a SoW potion lasts 36min. You won't need them indoors or when you're grouped with players who can cast it.

If you played exclusively outdoors and 3 hours a night every night (21 a week) and you always needed to be SoW'd and you only soloed, never grouping with someone who could SoW you. That would cost you 420pp a week to stay SoW'd.

The thing is, most players often travel to and exp in dungeons where you can't SoW or JBoot. Most players often don't need to be running fast when they are in a group at a static camp in an outdoor zone. Many players favor grouping over soloing and at your level 3/14 classes can cast SoW and 2 of those 3 are the most common on the server.

In actuality you probably won't even use more than 200pp a week even playing every day for 3 hours when all that is factored in.

See, when I solo I afk. A lot. 36 minutes of sow is more like 15 minutes of effective running. I time my afks by my health / mana situation, not by the timer on my buffs.

Its invaluable to constantly be 30% faster than the mob you're fighting. Especially if you get an add like those chromadrakes in Skyfire which will chain dispell you as you run for the zone!

ps, paid 0pp for all my jboots. Found my first pair in Sro from a spawn that someone had just left. Felt great killing AC as a lvl 35 necro with no cash and silk armor!

[Ezalor]

looked at op's posting history and he is obsessed with items

i think this guy just doesn't understand how to have fun in EQ without complaining constantly about how he has to actually work to get what he wants in EQ

[Daldaen]

But they really shouldn't be available to a level 30 character is the point.

40s-50 was the audience intended for the quest. At which point you can camp it in OOT. Or you could continue trying to camp a zonewide spawn in SRo, though you may be disappointed on a class with no tracking when that situation possibly repeats itself.

But anything contested like these are is going to be an enormous time sink. And the unfortunate reality of the server is that you can likely earn enough Platinum to purchase the item you want before you will find it uncamped and get it to drop for yourself. This is a symptom of too many alt's from too much time in Kunark and a symptom of every player on this server thinking their 6th alt HAS TO HAVE J-Boots, or they simply cannot function. Which is retarded--especially for 6th Alts who see maybe 10 hours of play time a month, a void easily filled by SoW potions.

[Itap]

looked at op's posting history and he is obsessed

Irony, you nailed it

[Crevex]

i have jboots on 6 different characters. imo actual value of the item is much higher than 7k. if they were rarer you'd see people paying 30k for 'em. its a must have item

[wormed]

looked at op's posting history and he is obsessed with items

i think this guy just doesn't understand how to have fun in EQ without complaining constantly about how he has to actually work to get what he wants in EQ

I don't think that is very fair and I don't think that it is true, at all.

I think if anyone cared to look at my post history (why, I don't know), they'll see I made a thread weeks ago asking about a "goal" item; something that, while I was leveling, would accrue my platinum toward. Someone mentioned Jboots. As I leveled, I realized that I could camp them myself. You say I only complain about getting the items? ... but I'm here trying to get them... by myself...

I'm fine with camping. I'm fine with saving up money for something. This thread was simply about the economics of jboots and their value relative to how often they're sold. Unfortunately, the camp left a bad taste in my mouth this morning due to what happened. However, I work toward my own gear.

And here we are.

I have fun soloing, grouping, and leveling. To say I'm item obsessed is false but I guess our definitions of obsession differ. Maybe you're trying to rile me up? But I'm immune, I came from the Quake scene!

[maskedmelon]

The purpose of SoW/JBoots is for travel, yes. As I said, I solo a lot too as grouping isn't always the most efficient, even as a Paladin. I've thought of buying some WR bags but then I generally think I should save for JBoots. Then I had this bright idea of camping them for myself... but here we are.

I understand that I don't *need* Jboots, just like I don't *need* many things in this game. However, I was just pointing out that it is literally impossible, barring any sort of spawn miracle, for first time characters to be able to receive an item that should be obtainable for a lvl30 player.

That's all. Sorry.

I will concede that it is not always the most efficient, but it is almost always the most efficient. I solo probably 85% of the time due to short, frequently interrupted play sessions. Paladins can solo just fine as you are obviously aware, but grouping will almost always yield better xp unless it is with someone 9 levels higher in a hell level or something...

As Dald has broken down, sow pots are vastly more economical than JBoots. Runspeed is not needed for Pally solo and in groups you will likely have it from someone else, or someone else will be pulling and if neither is true it still doesn't matter much ^^ BUT, if you prefer JBoots that is your choice ^^ I can understand that.

So, like you said it basically just comes down to travel (to/from groups/bank). Vendoring/banking sucks in general, but you can minimize travel time by 'banking' gold with merchants via market maker type items such as gems. Doing this you can get away with only needing to travel to a bank maybe every 3rd or 4th trip to a closer merchant.

Most of all, don't despair! You have an opportunity to do/get whatever you want in this game, but not necessarily on your terms. What you do/get is up to you ^^ good luck!

[wormed]

But anything contested like these are is going to be an enormous time sink. And the unfortunate reality of the server is that you can likely earn enough Platinum to purchase the item you want before you will find it uncamped and get it to drop for yourself. This is a symptom of too many alt's from too much time in Kunark and a symptom of every player on this server thinking their 6th alt HAS TO HAVE J-Boots, or they simply cannot function. Which is retarded--especially for 6th Alts who see maybe 10 hours of play time a month, a void easily filled by SoW potions.

Yup. Don't get me wrong, I've decided to give up on SRo at this time anyway. Camps are meant to be fun (sorta, at least :p) and this one isn't. No biggy. EQ life goes on.

[Renault]

SRO camp is a wretched hive of scum and villainy. Get a duo parter or trio, xp at named camps in Lguk, profit, you'll have those Jboots in no time.

[iruinedyourday]

That's why I never buy JBoots.

They cost 7-8k I think.

SoW Potions are 100.

Thats 70 Sow Potions for the same price, or 700 casts of SoW, or 25200 minutes of SoW, or 420 hours or 17.5 continuous days of being SoW'd.

Just keep 3-4 on you and every month visit EC and drop another 300-400 on some more.

SoW is 20% faster and lasts twice as long as JBoots.

this logic is sound...

but hey who am I to say, I get hit by a bixi and I'm clicking a stinging wort pot.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I have 2 60s and a few 50-40s Alts.

I own 0 JBoots and I do just fine.


All true! I also just go the extra mile, and save plats for my fool ass to use sow potions. Yeah, you see me sowin, be hatin...

BUT, my point woulod be, if you want them, if you think they would make your lvl 20's-30's fun, just save for them! Take a break from leveling to save! It's a fair price! They rock and will never be obsolete on this server!

And this server ain't going anywhere lol

edit: and no, i don;t do the mq. I don't do *any* mq's, I'm too stupid to do mq's I suspect.

[fadetree]

8k buys a lot of sow pots.

[Swish]

Lock down the OOT AC (BDA style) and you'd see the price go up to 10k probably... and yes, people would still pay it.

[wormed]

One time on my SK i ran directly into AC while running through south ro, someone had been camping it too

miracles can happen dawg

MIRACLES.

I just logged in, it was 3pm and I was in EC. I was like, "Meh, I'll check SRO once before I go back to leveling."

AC spawns. Tagged him. Got Ring. On my way to get the rapier. :)

Woohoo!

[toolshed]

Yup. Try the OOT camp only if you hate your life and have a lawyer on hand to deal with the low life scum that perpetually camp that spawn.

I tried and tried to make the guy spawn in SRO to no avail. Then one night, right before logging, I found the guy just wondering around and killed him. Funny thing - I almost died because of two adds that I got during my fight, haha.

Just camp in SRO for a while and check it when you get on/off. You'll eventually get it

[Rararboker]

I actually feel like I've seen AC in SRO more times since they changed the spawn.

[Salahdin]

Jboots were like 4k on live deep in to pop iirc.

However on this server they are farmed as a way to get Pp so yah prices will be steep. But given what the item is it's pretty amazing.

P.s. play off peak and you can farm yourself a set, a guy in my guild got 2.

[Salahdin]

75% of the time ur in a dungeon or stationery so get some sow pots for the travels between camps.

Save up, or wait till you can solo him.

500pp of sow pots is 50 SOw clickes...you won't be leaving zones/camps that much during the levels needed to save up?

[Cecily]

Alternatively, you could get some buddies together and camp Druushk for a Blood Orchid Katana.

[Salahdin]

Alternatively, you could get some buddies together and camp Druushk for a Blood Orchid Katana.

Sounds easy ;)