Was Holocaust's name change consistent with previous guild wide punishments?

[dontbanpls]

Have the staff ever had to step in to change such a large guilds name because of the intolerant message they spread to the community/world? Does a simple name change and banning of one single character really suffice to stifle the damage that will never be undone by having this organization on the server not once but twice? The red 99 community will never get past this. The videos are uploaded, the threads have been made and the screenshots all over the web.

Do you really feel as though banning one single character while the guild leaders who enabled him walk free is fair punishment?

[Coffee]

It's a website to simulate being an elf 16 years in the past

[heartbrand]

What did you do today in honor of Yom HaShoah? I read books in my kids nursery class and visited the Holocaust Museum.

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

Where is the option for "it's not our sandbox, our opinions do not matter"?

[dontbanpls]

We need to just read through the thread where Taunto makes his statement to find gems from the leadership of holocaust such as this:

PRAS THE (INVISIBLE) EMPIRE, 1488, PRAS IMPERIAL WIZARD GONGSHOW.

YOWL RDY 4 SOME WHITE VELLY?

KILL ALL DARK MEN OF ODUS. LEAVE FAYDWER.



We also have very many people saying that they intend to fully negate the GM's decision by pooling all of their resources in order to return Taunto to their forces under another character. If this crime deserved to be punished it deserves a punishment that means something. Obviously this punishment has meant nothing to their guild and they are rubbing dirt in the entire communities face, staff and players alike.

[orran]

Where is the option for "it's not our sandbox, our opinions do not matter"?

actually without us there is no them so in a way its ours too.

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

Also 95% of the people that post on these forums give our server a bad image. So just ban everyone.

[heartbrand]

Cool, so, you're honoring Yom HaShoah today right?

[Ezpk]

More gray areas...

Some guild leaders have had action taken against them for certain things pertaining to their guild and others haven't. Need a good, concise ruling in regards to what's tolerable and what's not.

Continuing to forumquest for bans or self-righteous causes will just further our unknown debacle of a "legal" system.

[orran]

Cool, so, you're honoring Yom HaShoah today right?

you are a disgrace to jews everywhere, you supported the neo nazis and still defend them. You are just a Meschugener.

[daasgoot]

voted good call by staff

a) banned the tard that created swastika out of corpses.
b) changed the name

i don't want to see anyone else get suspended or banned for the naming violation, i don't think its necessary.

all is well in elf land again

[dontbanpls]

Here we go, holocaust already spitting in the face of the staff by making a new toon for this guy. Total and complete disrespect for the decision and proof of the ineffectiveness of this action against the guild.


http://i.imgur.com/XhnhS1t.jpg

[Dillian]

jews offend me.

[Samsung]

Should be more than a name change, they should be punished. What would put them in their place is to give them the first week of velious off, i guarantee you they will keep their members in line with a punishment like that.

[Eslade]

Leadership should be banned and guild disbanded.

































Also Max is mad.

[Demote]

He's Mad Max for a reason. He is so mad he created a guild to stand up to the ass hats of the server and he is winning.

[Pikrib]

Please don't disband the guild.

It would remove my spy and i'm not sure I could get him back in again.

[Haynar]

I would have voted for every member of the guild be banned.

The guild name was already pushing the limits. And you have to admit, the guild name was just asking for someone to see how far they could push it. Doing stuff like that in some countries would get you arrested IRL.

H

[lite]

I would have voted for every member of the guild be banned.

The guild name was already pushing the limits. And you have to admit, the guild name was just asking for someone to see how far they could push it. Doing stuff like that in some countries would get you arrested IRL.

H

http://puu.sh/hg9AT/bbe2b7f146.jpg

[iiNGloriouS]

I haven't met one person truly upset at the guild name. Received several tells from players in other guilds while lnsing saying that it was bullshit and a funny guild name because of the fact that people were throwing up facades just to get us in trouble.

And its true. We're all sick fucks and not one of you was truly offended. I will say the picture was a bit too far tho, but just talkin bout the guild name.

[fiegi 8.0]

I would have voted for every member of the guild be banned.

The guild name was already pushing the limits. And you have to admit, the guild name was just asking for someone to see how far they could push it. Doing stuff like that in some countries would get you arrested IRL.

H

http://footbasket.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/MarcoAirball2.gif

[orran]

Weren't you in holocaust sometime between your 5th and 6th quitting post bud.

yep

keep your friends close

but your enemies closer

[heartbrand]

I would have voted for every member of the guild be banned.

The guild name was already pushing the limits. And you have to admit, the guild name was just asking for someone to see how far they could push it. Doing stuff like that in some countries would get you arrested IRL.

H

So would you have voted for the Staff member who approved the name to be banned as well?

[iiNGloriouS]

Jib, maybe one day you wont be a psycho
At least we hope.

[dis_mornin]

I would have voted for every member of the guild be banned.

The guild name was already pushing the limits. And you have to admit, the guild name was just asking for someone to see how far they could push it. Doing stuff like that in some countries would get you arrested IRL.

H

I wholeheartedly agree and dont think its too late. Ban em all right after u cast Ur vote for Obama

[Crazycloud]

I would have voted for every member of the guild be banned.

The guild name was already pushing the limits. And you have to admit, the guild name was just asking for someone to see how far they could push it. Doing stuff like that in some countries would get you arrested IRL.

H

Stick to programming dawg.

[orran]

looks like zerging maybe wasnt the best idea after all eh?

[Coffee]

Stick to programming dawg.

[snufzaimoverlord]

I would have voted for every member of the guild be banned.

The guild name was already pushing the limits. And you have to admit, the guild name was just asking for someone to see how far they could push it. Doing stuff like that in some countries would get you arrested IRL.

H

I totally support this idea, infact I think we should go even further and ban everyone who has even mentioned the name "Holocaust" on forums or in game. If you're not part of the soloution, you're part of the problem.

A change we can believe in, 2015.

[derpcake]

Doing stuff like that in some countries would get you arrested IRL.

There are some towns here that reeinact the german occupation, and celebrate with germans and what not.

Can confirm, few fucks are given here.

Also, sex before wedding is going to get you killed in some countries. Lets not use "that country would do this" as a base for r99 rules, we really are above that.

[dis_mornin]

Yea in North Korea you are arrested for using the internet.. Maybe Haynar should go live there by their rules to save himself the embarrassment of his opinions

[quido]

Good thing Haynar isn't in charge of who gets banned.

[Uuruk]

Should be more than a name change, they should be punished. What would put them in their place is to give them the first week of velious off, i guarantee you they will keep their members in line with a punishment like that.

Shut the fuck up. You shouldn't even be posting or allowed to play here.

[Mudslinger]

I would have voted for every member of the guild be banned.

The guild name was already pushing the limits. And you have to admit, the guild name was just asking for someone to see how far they could push it. Doing stuff like that in some countries would get you arrested IRL.

H

Where ? Maybe North Korea ? Iran ? China ? Doubt Even the communists in Russia would arrest ya for it.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

I would have voted for every member of the guild be banned.

The guild name was already pushing the limits. And you have to admit, the guild name was just asking for someone to see how far they could push it. Doing stuff like that in some countries would get you arrested IRL.

H

stick 2 da programming. ur an idiot if u think banning 250+ red99 players for a guild name thats been around since the creation of the server is appropriate.

[Uuruk]

stick 2 da programming. ur an idiot if u think banning 250+ red99 players for a guild name thats been around since the creation of the server is appropriate.

Pras it

[Littlegyno 13.0]

I would have voted for every member of the guild be banned.

The guild name was already pushing the limits. And you have to admit, the guild name was just asking for someone to see how far they could push it. Doing stuff like that in some countries would get you arrested IRL.

H

glad i live in mother fucking america. maybe u shud move to somewhere that's more aligned to your idea of censorship and ideological purity.

[Uuruk]

glad i live in mother fucking america. maybe u shud move to somewhere that's more aligned to your idea of censorship and ideological purity.

Pras it

[fred schnarf]

see?

dudes already leveling a new char during business hours

2 weeks tops he will be 50+

so what does it matter?

[lite]

Max, you sure you should be barking in Holo's face like this? Velious is coming and I am sure they will have work for you guys again soon.

Remember that VS stone "Empire" gave you that one time, so Azrael wouldn't whoop their ass again? That was pretty nice, right?

You are blocking the way for more of that.

[dis_mornin]

glad i live in mother fucking america. maybe u shud move to somewhere that's more aligned to your idea of censorship and ideological purity.

Where were you thinking Gyno? Maybe Germany circa 1933-1945?

[Pikrib]

I don't think any of those places would care. Hell, in some of them you would get a medal. I would guess you would get arrested in most European countries and Israel.

Swiss law:

In effect since January 1, 1995, Switzerland's new Anti-Racism Law reads as follows:

Whoever publicly incites hatred or discrimination against a person or a group of persons on the basis of their race, ethnicity or religion,

or whoever publicly promotes an ideology that systematically disparages or slanders members of a race, ethnic group or religion,

or whoever organizes, supports or participates in a propaganda action with this same goal,

or whoever publicly through word, writing, illustration, gesture, act of violence, or in any other way disparages or discriminates against a person or a group of persons on the basis of their race, ethnicity or religion, in a way that offends their human dignity or, for any one of these reasons, denies, flagrantly whitewashes [gröblich verharmlost] or seeks to justify, genocide or other crimes against humanity,

or whoever withholds, on the basis of race, ethnicity or religion, a service or product from a person or a group of persons that is offered to the public at large,

will be punished by [up to three years] imprisonment or a fine.

[Crazycloud]

honestly when vely comes out will prob be alot of pvp between azrael/fresh over kunark mobs.

That will b nice for server growth

[HippoNipple]

Also, sex before wedding is going to get you killed in some countries. Lets not use "that country would do this" as a base for r99 rules

I don't think implementing this on Red99 would result in any bans.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

see?

dudes already leveling a new char during business hours

2 weeks tops he will be 50+

so what does it matter?

doesn't matter to be quite honest.

guild name has been present for like 3-4 years?

taunto will be lvl 60 before velious and geared back up, while <Holocaust> and now <Empire> continues to thrive.

already got epic ready for little ole taunto.

[derpcake]

I don't think implementing this on Red99 would result in any bans.

A+

[Rais]

I would have voted for every member of the guild be banned.

The guild name was already pushing the limits. And you have to admit, the guild name was just asking for someone to see how far they could push it. Doing stuff like that in some countries would get you arrested IRL.

H

I agree with name change and had pushed for it while I was on staff. It shouldn't have been allowed in the first place, yet it wasn't and defended by Sirken on more than one occasion and even defended it on his stream.

It isn't the failure of the players, it was on the staff. Why it took so long to even correct is mind boggling.

[Pikrib]

I already reported Taunto to the swiss authorities.

[derpcake]

I already reported Taunto to the swiss authorities.

inc
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03081/swiss-guard_3081561b.jpg

[Wrench]

haynar says outlandish shit all the time some of it specifically to troll

not sure if his post here was serious or not but it is funny how worked up some are getting

[Dillian]

holocaust wast a problem til some little jew got his/her.... prolly his pantys in a bunch. Why banned people for a guild name. Thats dumb. The gms had to create the guild name so that wouldnt make alot of sense. Now i wasnt in holocaust, but they have a much a right to a name as fresh or friends. Bunch of whiney ass people. Fucking crybabys

[dontbanpls]

friends shouldnt be allowed either 2bh its blatantly named after the TV show and supremely unimmersive

[Demote]

Just have to say why are you retards going out of your way to publicly attack Haynar? yes i know we do it to Sirken allot because of some bullshit calls he makes when petitions happen and at times shows favoritism. But i want to know why you would be stupid enough to piss off the programmer that with the click of the Delete button can wipe out all of the progress he made with Velious? Even if hes Trolling what an epic troll it would be that on the 29th of May he says woops deleted it all guess you have to wait another 3 years.

[orran]

holocaust wast a problem til some little jew got his/her.... prolly his pantys in a bunch. Why banned people for a guild name. Thats dumb. The gms had to create the guild name so that wouldnt make alot of sense. Now i wasnt in holocaust, but they have a much a right to a name as fresh or friends. Bunch of whiney ass people. Fucking crybabys

let me explain that for you

they made the guild under the terms it wasnt representing the holocaust that happened in history WW2.

turns out they were a bunch of racist bigots so now they are punishing them for lying to the staff about what they stood for.

[Coffee]

HOLOCAUST IN ZONE WATCH OUT, EVERYTIME THEY GET A KILL THEY BUST A NUT!

[Littlegyno 13.0]

let me explain that for you

they made the guild under the terms it wasnt representing the holocaust that happened in history WW2.

turns out they were a bunch of racist bigots so now they are punishing them for lying to the staff about what they stood for.

1 retard = entire guild?

thanks 4 comment but ur stupid

[orran]

1 retard = entire guild?

thanks 4 comment but ur stupid

all retards = pl the 1 retard

= all retards

1 retard for all

all retards for 1





































retard

[Coffee]

inside the mind of a locksmith

[Littlegyno 13.0]

all retards = pl the 1 retard

= all retards

1 retard for all

all retards for 1





































retard

you were in holocaust with rettiwalk. by your logic, you're an account stripper/deleter. creating petition thread for your ban. thanks.

[orran]

NEXT

[fiegi 8.0]

Ain't no point in trying to reason with career flip floppers.

[orran]

same goes for bigots

[Dillian]

http://mattforney.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/retard.jpg Damn orran your real name is Gary?

[dontbanpls]

Just an update Bestow is currently being power leveled by a 6 man squad of <Empire> and it appears his permanent ban will be effective for another day or two before he is back to his position before being banned.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

Just an update Bestow is currently being power leveled by a 6 man squad of <Empire> and it appears his permanent ban will be effective for another day or two before he is back to his position before being banned.

So he can't have another character on the server?

[Stasis01]

Ender the sequel?

[Littlegyno 13.0]

GM's banned 1 character.

As Rogean/Nilbog/Sirken have said numerous times, "Reroll another character."

PRAS THE INVISIBLE EMPIRE

[dontbanpls]

I don't have a problem with him having another character on the server but it seems like the punishment is moot.

[Coffee]

he lost his playtime over arranging his corpse's a particular way

you deleveled your epic vp geared 60 to 30 to grief mistmoor and arranged your corpses for a super cool roleplaying message

you are saying he deserves a perma ban and should not be allowed on this server and you don't, simply because of the design made by the corpse?

[dontbanpls]

I've taken a perma ban on the server before, so I am not saying that at all. What I am saying is that if this offense warranted action it should at least be something that sends a more serious message. The whole server is impacted by what happened, yet one person is taking a very nominal punishment that is tantamount to a one week suspension. He was obviously not the sole contributor to this event, why is he able to be the only person held accountable?

[magician]

It's a website to simulate being an elf 16 years in the past

[dontbanpls]

he lost his playtime over arranging his corpse's a particular way

you deleveled your epic vp geared 60 to 30 to grief mistmoor and arranged your corpses for a super cool roleplaying message

you are saying he deserves a perma ban and should not be allowed on this server and you don't, simply because of the design made by the corpse?

Furthermore you guys have a 6 man group steam rolling through the noobies zones with a deleveled epic warrior harassing every new player you come across right now with level 60 druids(yeah two of them) and a shaman in tow.

[Coffee]

but the image was not offensive

the guild name is not offensive

its the internet, for an old game, with a very small following

This is just another case of the losers playing petitionquest since thats really all there is to compete.

[snufzaimoverlord]

No one is impacted, our resident panel of Jews has given <Empire> the thumbs up after a small tax was paid and movie rights released.

I'm in talks with the Homosexual community about your constant slurs though, they aren't so forgiving.

[Nirgon]

retarded issue
retarded thread

don't slander Haynar, don't care what he said

pls god unplug this server and end the sickness

[dontbanpls]

It doesn't have to be or need to be the things you claim it is. That is the point so many people are missing. These actions have contributed to it being that way and it should be dealt with if we want a bigger population of people interested in the project. We shouldn't have to cater to this deranged behavior.

[Ezalor]

a lot of grandstanding assholes pretending that they actually care about racism or perceived racism here

especially from the #1 psychopath on the server

[dontbanpls]

you can check my post history on my previous forum account mostbitter. I was against the name being an option before the red server was a beta. I frequently posted about how despicable I found it to be even after the guild had been banned originally. I have never changed my stance on this.

[Ezalor]

so you have consistently feigned outrage about this

congrats

[dontbanpls]

Thanks for speaking for me Ezalor. Not sure what I would do without ya.

[iiNGloriouS]

but the image was not offensive

the guild name is not offensive

its the internet, for an old game, with a very small following

This is just another case of the losers playing petitionquest since thats really all there is to compete.

[Coffee]

religion is fiction

dinosaurs are older than the bibles earth

holocaust is a word

swazi is a symbol

neither have anything to do with racism unless used in the context of Hitler+Germany

[Nirgon]

all thats fine on the screen shot and you can lawyer it but

he wrote "arbeit m..." (etc dont want to be PETITIONED) on the screen shot

That right there kills it, the arm band didn't help either

It was a stupid thing to do

[Demote]

neither have anything to do with racism unless used in the context of Hitler+Germany

heres the point to so many people being against the Name Holocaust not as a guild in general but the name. multiple Holocaust members had or have names such as ReichIII/Mengele. These 2 names showed what the use of Holocaust was truly being used as. Idk if it was just ignorance on the GM's part to ignore this fact or they honestly never saw these toons on at the time as i never truly saw them in ooc chat so unless in the zone with them GM's wouldnt know of there existence. But what Taunto did was fucking stupid and wrong. the fact you are going to lvl up another toon for him and allow him back in your guild when he almost brought your pixel train to a grinding halt is beyond retarded.

[Nirgon]

who exactly is leveling him up right now

[dontbanpls]

Mornin, Kammbo, Gzaz, Orbi, Isawa and there is a low level warrior with epics but his name is escaping me right now

[dontbanpls]

nm the warrior is constanza or some such

[Jimmybones]

nm the warrior is constanza or some such

so powerful

[Smedy]

leadership should be held accountable for tauntos actions, they knew what he was doing, also he didnt do that when he wasnt in holocaust, clearly he was being puppetteered by the higher ups in holocaust

they will always throw forward a sacrificial lamb when shit goes down, look at previous when holocaust was getting banned @ nagafen 2011 and they made pictures of their hierarchy in holocaust where gyno was portrayed as their leader and should take full blame, lol.. the guy is merely a follower at best

gm's swing that hammer, swing it guud, velious is coming, ruin their dreams

[Nirgon]

Ban fishing all time high

[iiNGloriouS]

Ban fishing all time high

[dontbanpls]

Left an option that supports the punishment already in place. Would you prefer that I reword it to be more supportive?

[TacoSmasher]

The offender has had their account perma banned. Justice served and hopefully they learned their lesson. The Holocaust tag doesnt exsist so if you were outraged over that you now have closure.. time to be an alpha and move on.


This thread/forum is just a circle jerk for the same dozen forumquest sickos. How about you guys post some SS of YT accompanied by some sassy trash talk? It would be a lot funner to read than this horse shit. Take out your hate and aggression in game, that is the beauty of a pvp server is it not?

[dontbanpls]

Not looking to take advice from someone who would type "funner".

[TacoSmasher]

Posting from smartphone, grammar and formatting go down the shitter. also i only have my grade 8 education , so im sorry for the terrible adjective choice.

thats all you got though? :(

[FaithlessKR]

Mornin, Kammbo, Gzaz, Orbi, Isawa and there is a low level warrior with epics but his name is escaping me right now

Isawa an Azrael wizard, swing and a miss.

Costanza I'm pretty sure is not de-leveled, as he just got his epic like 2 days ago.

[dontbanpls]

Meh i was the only person online and willing to try to stop this from happening forgive me for not interviewing everyone I noticed

[FaithlessKR]

Meh i was the only person online and willing to try to stop this from happening forgive me for not interviewing everyone I noticed

You need to step back into reality, you're cornhuskering out way too hard

[Mingo]

I think it should be recognized that Rettiwalk is, remarkably, posting very strong, intelligent, not-angry, reason in this entire thread. Whatever happened today, let's start a gofundme to keep it happened.

Red99 needs ONE success story, i like what i see.

[Coffee]

I think it should be recognized that Rettiwalk is, remarkably, posting very strong, intelligent, not-angry, reason in this entire thread. Whatever happened today, let's start a gofundme to keep it happened.

Red99 needs ONE success story, i like what i see.

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