Luclin Models Blocked

[Faxi]

I was told that in Velious, the Devs will be blocking any use of the Luclin player models - during the livestream announcement it was stated. Is this true?

Before you bombard this thread with the usual not-classic replies, please just reflect that this doesnt effect anyone else but the user themselves; its for my own personal enjoyment and it has zero gameplay advantages or impact on other players like in-game maps and the other 3rd party apps that players use frequently. It seems like such a small insignificant thing and sucks because I've been enjoying a mix of both classic and luclin models and actually created characters partially based on using luclin models.

So could we just get confirmation on this? I guess i feel like i know the answer already. in any case thanks very very much for this server. i enjoyed it alot.

[wormed]

If you like Luclin models, you are sick in the head.

[Lojik]

I've actually heard that some big races can use luclin models to get up on 2nd floor com without shrink pots. If that's true, I'm willing to bet there are probably other game play advantages.

Plus you're a bad person for liking luclin models

[firesyde424]

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Plus you're a bad person for liking luclin models

Because I'd rather have my character look like something other than a collection of various shaped blocks? Granted the Luclin models aren't perfect by any means, but I still think they look better.

Also, why do people care? This came up several years ago in a thread I made detailing a way to enable the Luclin graphics using the SoD client. I stopped working on it because it was de-railed so quickly by Luclin model hate.

Seriously, why do you people care what the models look like on my screen? Granted, I hadn't heard about the possible exploit for larger races, but I still can't fathom why people care that much. Your screen has the "classic" pixels. You see the blocks and you see my characters in game that way, regardless of what I do or do not have enabled on my client. In no way does my having Luclin models enabled affect your game play. It's completely cosmetic!

So fuck you for trying to impose your game style on me, especially when it makes no difference whatsoever to you and you would have no idea if I hadn't told you.

[caldiar]

I've actually heard that some big races can use luclin models to get up on 2nd floor com without shrink pots. If that's true, I'm willing to bet there are probably other game play advantages.

Plus you're a bad person for liking luclin models

Yeah but female Dark Elves and Wood Elves look better as luclin models. Everything else is ass.

[Ele]

Plus you're a bad person for liking luclin models

If you like Luclin models, you are sick in the head.

[Swish]

Yeah but female Dark Elves and Wood Elves look better as luclin models. Everything else is ass.

Female dark elves in plate? Definitely awesome in old models (although I know its a matter of opinion) :p

http://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2015/04/17/aaa.png

[Daldaen]

Why is an epic rogue camping Yendar? Are you some TunnelQuesting MQer Swish?!?!?

[Brocode]

Why is an epic rogue camping Yendar? Are you some TunnelQuesting MQer Swish?!?!?

The bomb has been planted!

[Pringles]

I use Luclin models, and I don't give two shits what ya'll think. Most of you kids screaming about Luclin models not being Classic are running around with shadows on and other non classic ui shit.... So fuck yo couch.

[Itap]

So fuck you

Simmer down there, pal

[Tipsyer]

For me, the main reason for the dislike of the models was the attack animations. They were slow and kinda clunky. Seeing a female human monk machine gun things with her fists was awesome to me, it didn't look nearly as cool with models on.

Also, plate armor looks odd with them on.

[Swish]

Why is an epic rogue camping Yendar? Are you some TunnelQuesting MQer Swish?!?!?

Redid the epic for my Guise of the Coercer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW5Tzcpx0Os) mask ;)

Not only did I not step on anyone doing their own epic, but I helped a Lord Bob rogue get a piece done by blocking the MQers... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO7XDgo5JBo)

Couple o' YouToob vids there if you have a moment...good eyes though Dal pal.

The bomb has been planted!

http://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2015/04/17/Untitlede10c1.png

[tristantio]

The models are not terrible (definitely good for the time) - however the model's animations were TERRIBLE.

[surron]

Ogre in luclin model form can navigate a lot more areas without a shrink potion than Ogre in classic model.

So while I agree with OP that devs blocking luclin models is an insignificant change it does indeed provide a game play advantage.

[Pringles]

Plus being advertised as classic and being streamed or put on youtube with Luclin models is fail

Better make sure you dont show your UI or shadows then! Cause not classic :rolleyes:

[Swish]

I don't use Luclin models but I'm sure playing in 1920x1080 with 3 chat windows / Duxa UI / etc would offend a few people if I streamed.

[Ele]

Better make sure you dont show your UI or shadows then! Cause not classic :rolleyes:

shadows definitely need to be disabled, extreme advantage in PVP, ruins immersion

[Ezalor]

what kind of twisted individual plays on a server with beautiful classic models as default then jerry-rigs their shit to look fucking terrible

that's like buying a maseratti and swapping in a PT cruiser engine

[curtischoy]

Dwarf luclin models were pretty cool, so were hobbits. The different beards and colors were boss. Can't tell me a bald dwarf with the two braided beard didn't look cool as shit.

[Faxi]

I just think... well theres gonna be "custom content" in P1999 which impacts EVERYONE and is obviously NOT classic. and i dont hear any of the opposition complaining about that.

So why cant Luclin models remain for those that like them? Cant they just be considered harmless custom content?

[Telin]

Pringles your links need changed to .com

[Ele]

I just think... well theres gonna be "custom content" in P1999 which impacts EVERYONE and is obviously NOT classic. and i dont hear any of the opposition complaining about that.

Because the server is basically dead at the point any possible classic content comes out. Plus there will be alternative P99 classic progression servers before the custom content happens in all likelihood.

[stormlord]

Don't agree with this. If someoen wnats to hack the client to show luclin models, why not? I don't like them, but so what. And I do understand the argument some us that if they select to look like the old model then that's the way others should see them. For example, if one of the reasons you select the half elf is because of how the old model looks then if someone uses the luclin models your choice will not reflect on them. It'd be like if I selected a human because I want others to see me that way, but then someone changes the race tables so that humans look like elves. However, trying to GUARANTEE others see you as you selected is futile.

I do think a large part of MMORPGs is the social element of your visual appearance. I do think a lot of players change how they look based on the notion others will see what they change and it'll look the same.

I just don't htink guaranteeing this is worth it. It's always kind of hostile.

[Vaderman]

what kind of twisted individual plays on a server with beautiful classic models as default then jerry-rigs their shit to look fucking terrible

that's like buying a maseratti and swapping in a PT cruiser engine

We live in a world with chubby chasers and people who get off by being vomited on and you need to question preferences about polygons?

[webrunner5]

Yeah but female Dark Elves and Wood Elves look better as luclin models. Everything else is ass.

I agree. A female Dark Elf Melee is hot looking with plate stuff. So is a Female Heffer. I think the Ogre, Troll look stupid in the Luclin models. :p

[Issar]

3 Pages and not one answer to the OP's question. - This thread is classic.

[Guide.Chroma]

I was told that in Velious, the Devs will be blocking any use of the Luclin player models - during the livestream announcement it was stated. Is this true?

Before you bombard this thread with the usual not-classic replies, please just reflect that this doesnt effect anyone else but the user themselves; its for my own personal enjoyment and it has zero gameplay advantages or impact on other players like in-game maps and the other 3rd party apps that players use frequently. It seems like such a small insignificant thing and sucks because I've been enjoying a mix of both classic and luclin models and actually created characters partially based on using luclin models.

So could we just get confirmation on this? I guess i feel like i know the answer already. in any case thanks very very much for this server. i enjoyed it alot.

On the stream it was said that Nilbog would force Classic models if he could . This is from the same man that wishes he could make us use the classic UI.

As has been said over and over, the goal of the project is the classic feel, not literally emulating what was Live EQ. I don't have a dissertation on why he would like to make the changes, but if the same man that brought so many amazing elements to the server wanted to make that change, I would let him.

[Zlain]

Luclin model hate is brought on by ignorant, basement dwelling, plebians.

Removing player choices are never good for a gaming community. I don't care if it's private or not. You can't get all hyped about having
1,xxx people playing your server and at the same time tell them they all they have to wear yellow jackets. you'll lose players.

[Ele]

Luclin model hate is brought on by ignorant, basement dwelling, plebians.

Removing player choices are never good for a gaming community. I don't care if it's private or not. You can't get all hyped about having
1,xxx people playing your server and at the same time tell them they all they have to wear yellow jackets. you'll lose players.

The goal of the server is to create a replica of classic EQ not gain the most number of players.

[Zlain]

And what's the point of it if only 30 people play? That's not to say the luclin graphics are a game breaker for those that use it, but it seems to be the solid stick in the asses of those who don't and when community turns on each other over dumb shit like that why would anyone want to continue? Not even cause of the change, but cause of the vitriol the opposition has to it. It's pointless and does nothing but damage the server in a way a few people using luclin graphics never would/could.

[Ezalor]

you guys have to remember this is someone else's project. they put in all the work, time, and resources. and they did it with a clear intention of recreating the classic experience in their definition of what that is.

so, it doesn't matter if you feel it doesn't effect anyone else. the point of the server is not what YOU want it to be. you are not a paying customer. you are not entitled to a vote, and this is not a democracy.

you are a guest here.

[Ele]

And what's the point of it if only 30 people play? That's not to say the luclin graphics are a game breaker for those that use it, but it seems to be the solid stick in the asses of those who don't and when community turns on each other over dumb shit like that why would anyone want to continue? Not even cause of the change, but cause of the vitriol the opposition has to it. It's pointless and does nothing but damage the server in a way a few people using luclin graphics never would/could.

to create a replica of classic EQ


http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=977737&postcount=30

My 'job' for p99 is spending my free time how I see fit. When I started the project, my goal was to recreate classic everquest so that it may exist somewhere. That continues to be my goal.

It (classic eq) continues to be lost over time as archived pages and historical information vanish.

Visitors to this museum in progress may litter or complain about posted rules, but it doesn't change the objective.

[Bristlebaner]

/barf.

[Voland]

OP misunderstood what was said in Livecast, so we can stop fighting now:)

[Wrench]

On the stream it was said that Nilbog would force Classic models if he could . This is from the same man that wishes he could make us use the classic UI.

didnt watch/listen to the whole thing, but the part i heard rogean said something like he would have to get that taken care of, like he potentially knew how

[Guttzs]

So fuck you for trying to impose your game style on me, especially when it makes no difference whatsoever to you and you would have no idea if I hadn't told you.

Found the fatty

[BlkCamel]

Think it would be hard to code out Luclin models since it is client side. Would have to change clients I think. i.e. wont happen.

[Wrench]

Think it would be hard to code out Luclin models since it is client side. Would have to change clients I think. i.e. wont happen.

they already have checks to make sure the client hasnt been adjusted from what they expect

[iruinedyourday]

the fact that there are people saying luclin models look better.... enplanes why I think everyone looks so terrible at Disnyland.

[myriverse]

If you like Luclin models, you are sick in the head.
But doctor confirmed: you have better eyesight.:p

And who are we kidding-- if you are interested at all in 16-yr-old elf pixels, you're sick in the head.

[Cazlo]

Yeah but female Dark Elves and Wood Elves look better as luclin models. Everything else is ass.

Female dark elves looked like they were slouching.

[iruinedyourday]

guys you cant enplane good art to people that wear cargo shorts and sandals.

[Guide.Chroma]

Again, with Velious coming next month what is the point of working on the classic UI, unless there's going to be another properly timelined Blue(ish) server?!

From what I know, it is actually pretty near impossible, if it was easy he would have finished it already. I personally doubt much work is going into it, but he could work on it if he wanted to because it's what he does for fun.

Per Ele's post, the quotes from Nilbog makes it pretty clear.

The "kids" that complain about Luclin models are no more important to development than the "kids" that berate them. The Devs do all this work for themselves, it's what they enjoy. They owe service to no one.

This isn't a business, they aren't trying to sell their product. Everyone can feel free to complain about the server, but it'll accomplish about as much as trying to teach a snail trigonometry.

[Ele]

Again, with Velious coming next month what is the point of working on the classic UI, unless there's going to be another properly timelined Blue(ish) server?!

Because the differences between Classic UI and Velious UI is about 4 hot buttons and resizable windows?

Because we hope to have a new Classic Progression timeline server eventually and it would be nice to progress with UI changes during that timeline?

Because we shouldn't be using the Titanium or customizable UIs, like DuxaUI?

[kaev]

Gotta love the attempts to frame opinions about pixel aesthetics as moral imperatives. This thread is every bit as :classic: as blocky models and shitty UIs.

I personally prefer most of the classic models and pretty much all of the classic animations (we won't talk about Iksar 2h), but, like, that's just my opinion man.

[BlkCamel]

they already have checks to make sure the client hasnt been adjusted from what they expect

That may be but you don't have to edit the client to enable Luclin models, its built into the client. Only way would be to require everyone to download a new modified client which had that feature disabled. Then they would be able to detect if you made changes.

I just don't see them doing that, as they have never distributed client files and emphasized that during cast. Otherwise your just changing a couple values in your ini file which tells your graphics card which file to display. Same thing goes for all the texture patches people have.

But maybe I am wrong about this, just my understanding from the discussions about this and my understanding of how the client works which may be off.

[iruinedyourday]

whops was trying to fix a spelling error and quoted myself..

meh.

Old art is better!

/q

[Faxi]

On the stream it was said that Nilbog would force Classic models if he could . This is from the same man that wishes he could make us use the classic UI.

As has been said over and over, the goal of the project is the classic feel, not literally emulating what was Live EQ. I don't have a dissertation on why he would like to make the changes, but if the same man that brought so many amazing elements to the server wanted to make that change, I would let him.

well actually i just watched the stream and to be accurate he says: "rest assured we will get them disabled".

so i guess i got my answer ;(

thanks for the reply though.

[jarshale]

And what's the point of it if only 30 people play? That's not to say the luclin graphics are a game breaker for those that use it, but it seems to be the solid stick in the asses of those who don't and when community turns on each other over dumb shit like that why would anyone want to continue? Not even cause of the change, but cause of the vitriol the opposition has to it. It's pointless and does nothing but damage the server in a way a few people using luclin graphics never would/could.

I really doubt disabling new models will drive away the thousands of people that play here.

[Skillslam]

luclin iksar is better in every way

[Evia]

The models are not terrible (definitely good for the time) - however the model's animations were TERRIBLE.

This. 100% this. I actually don't mind some of the models...but those animations! especially when sitting,attacking, casting, and standing. Not only do they sit on their knees (serious who would ever sit like that? I miss my criss cross applesauce yo!) but they do it with like an unnatural looking delay. I'm all about the old models.


On topic though, I don't give a shit if someone uses Luclin models or classic. If you like what you like that's up to you. However if people are getting some sort of advantage by using the new models then I'd say I'd understand (and promote) them figuring out a way to block it. It's like an exploit in a sense.

[blondeattk]

"rest assured we will get them disabled".

Rogean is clearly morphing into this person......

http://www.tumblr.com/search/the%20witchfinder%20general

all you digital witches should tremble!

Rogean probably wears white gloves and funky hat while calling down the judgment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5V_JCO9IRg

P99 reeks with the smell of tyranny these days....

[DrunkGrunt11b]

This is how i play and i could give two fracks what you you think. I like it and i don't care if you do.



http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee411/Thomas_Childers/EQ000015.png~original

[norova]

Not only did I not step on anyone doing their own epic, but I helped a Lord Bob rogue get a piece done by blocking the MQers... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO7XDgo5JBo)


Isn't this an explicit violation of the Play Nice Policy?

Under the Language, Harrassment section:
"Harassment is defined as the intentional targetted abuse of another player by (not limited to) following, taunting, disrupting gameplay, or creating new characters to avoid filter mechanics and/or any of the previous examples."

[khanable]

luclin iksar is better in every way

Maybe if you're on drugs :D too ninjaturtle-y

I for one support the complete removal of luclin graphics

[DrunkGrunt11b]

Maybe if you're on drugs :D too ninjaturtle-y

I for one support the complete removal of luclin graphics

Because luclin models hurt your immersion how?

[Clark]

This is awesome news. Been waiting for this one for years.

[Clark]

Because luclin models hurt your immersion how?

:rolleyes:

[DrunkGrunt11b]

This is awesome news. Been waiting for this one for years.

Should have been trying to have sex for years... Its fun you should try it with someone other than yourself.

[Catashe]

The only Luclin model I like is the Halfling model.. I always found the original one alittle silly.. short plumpy and almost no legs.. Its almost like they got a body and feet and thats it lol

[khanable]

I like the part where drunkgrunt says he doesn't care and then cares a lot

HEH

<3

[Faxi]

This is awesome news. Been waiting for this one for years.

ya know this is just taking pleasure in other's displeasure. why be malicious about something that doesnt affect you at all? nothing is added to your gameplay with this decision.

your game experience doesnt get any MORE classic by me losing the ability to see MY character in luclin models. The devs have succeeded in making the game very classic. the choice of YOU seeing classic models isnt interfered in any way by me seeing my High Elf in 100 polygons rather than 100.

[Taryth]

ya know this is just taking pleasure in other's displeasure. why be malicious about something that doesnt affect you at all? nothing is added to your gameplay with this decision.

your game experience doesnt get any MORE classic by me losing the ability to see MY character in luclin models. The devs have succeeded in making the game very classic. the choice of YOU seeing classic models isnt interfered in any way by me seeing my High Elf in 100 polygons rather than 100.

Welcome to religion.

[Rararboker]

Welcome to religion.

I don't get it.

[iruinedyourday]

ya know this is just taking pleasure in other's displeasure. why be malicious about something that doesnt affect you at all? nothing is added to your gameplay with this decision.

your game experience doesnt get any MORE classic by me losing the ability to see MY character in luclin models. The devs have succeeded in making the game very classic. the choice of YOU seeing classic models isnt interfered in any way by me seeing my High Elf in 100 polygons rather than 100.

If you don't see me how I see myself then:

http://cdn.bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Event_Horizon_8_28_13-726x248.jpg

[Taryth]

I don't get it.

Caring about how others perceive things in cases where it doesn't have any effect on oneself.

[PDX0621]

I'm a huge fan of the Luclin models. I've made that known many times. I'm not sure if I'll continue playing if they take away that option, I guess we'll see. While I don't agree with and wish they wouldn't block them, I didn't know that there is or was a potential advantage with movement or fitting somewhere with new versus old models. If people would just relax, slow down, and play and enjoy the game, I'm sure this would never be an issue. Seeing as how competitive guilds continuously get banned or suspended for doing any and everything possible to gain any conceivable advantage over other people/guilds, I can understand the reasoning for removing them. It's unfortunate and sad that this is the case, but as long as people treat this game like some kind of life or death frantic career, this is what we're left with.

[wormed]

I'm a huge fan of the Luclin models. I've made that known many times. I'm not sure if I'll continue playing if they take away that option, I guess we'll see. While I don't agree with and wish they wouldn't block them, I didn't know that there is or was a potential advantage with movement or fitting somewhere with new versus old models. If people would just relax, slow down, and play and enjoy the game, I'm sure this would never be an issue. Seeing as how competitive guilds continuously get banned or suspended for doing any and everything possible to gain any conceivable advantage over other people/guilds, I can understand the reasoning for removing them. It's unfortunate and sad that this is the case, but as long as people treat this game like some kind of life or death frantic career, this is what we're left with.

I don't agree with them blocking the models, even though they're essentially cancer for the eyes, but to take it so seriously to quit the game? Maybe I'm crazy but I play games for the gameplay, the fun factor, not whether I can see horribly "updated" models or not.

[iruinedyourday]

I don't agree with them blocking the models, even though they're essentially cancer for the eyes, but to take it so seriously to quit the game? Maybe I'm crazy but I play games for the gameplay, the fun factor, not whether I can see horribly "updated" models or not.

To be fair, if they forced ON luclin models, I would quit. Shits cancer.

[PDX0621]

I don't agree with them blocking the models, even though they're essentially cancer for the eyes, but to take it so seriously to quit the game? Maybe I'm crazy but I play games for the gameplay, the fun factor, not whether I can see horribly "updated" models or not.

As corny as it sounds, I started playing p1999 with old models. First few days I played, I got massive headaches and nearly quit altogether. I looked up the Luclin models and the graphics updates and installed them, and have had no problems since. I'm not sure if it was the models or the update or both, but whatever I did seemed go make the headaches go away. If they do block the models and the headaches start again, I've got no choice but to quit. That's why I said I'll have to wait and see. Ironically , I don't mind the old school models THAT much since I played with them and the old UI when I started live. I simply hate the ogre models. Always did. Seeing as my secondary character is an ogre, I dunno if I can hack it.

*edit* I'm sure, as someone already pointed out, I'd say 90% of people who oppose and talk trash about the new models are simply revelling in others displeasure, as they do with many facets of this game.

[Zinyen]

I don't know... the new models are really extremely bad and even when it originally released however many years ago i remember thinking it looked like garbage. that was a major factor as to why i stopped during luclin. the main problem i had with it was it introduced AA. i guess the main appeal of everquest to me was the very very extremely simple gameplay mechanics. once EQ tried to add too many weird mechanics/AA i just feel like it lost it's magic to me as an exploration game and turned into... something else.

[Ohno]

you guys have to remember this is someone else's project. they put in all the work, time, and resources. and they did it with a clear intention of recreating the classic experience in their definition of what that is.

so, it doesn't matter if you feel it doesn't effect anyone else. the point of the server is not what YOU want it to be. you are not a paying customer. you are not entitled to a vote, and this is not a democracy.

you are a guest here.


Unfortunately this line of thinking can ruin their project also. Be careful.

[Jaleth]

I never really got into the classic graphics. Even when I first started playing classic in 2000, I thought they looked outdated; but it's what was available. When I saw the release of the new Luclin graphics, I was pleased I didn't have to look at blocky pixels anymore.

I played a human paladin on live, and although I agree the animations were and are still terrible, I liked the fact the armor and robes had a three dimensional element to them; not painted on per classic.

Trolls and ogres, let me tell you, though I never played one, the classic model's counter-parts looked MUCH better. Since playing table top D&D, and reading books of D&D lore(yes I know they are not the all knowing de facto guidelines to fictitious races) , trolls specifically had an appearance of being tall and lanky with a protruding belly, much like the Luclin models.

Hey its all aesthetics and subjective points of view. I like the Luclin models, but I won't quit if they forced them off. But I did not also realize that there is an advantage in using them until now. . . so I guess not aesthetics then. But I still enjoy them none-the-less.

[Faxi]

Hey its all aesthetics and subjective points of view. I like the Luclin models, but I won't quit if they forced them off. But I did not also realize that there is an advantage in using them until now. . . so I guess not aesthetics then. But I still enjoy them none-the-less.

what game advantage is there to using the Luclin models?

[PDX0621]

what game advantage is there to using the Luclin models?

From what people were talking about previously, apparently you can fit into places with the new models on some races that you could not previously, which you know will be exploited to the umpteenth degree here.

[Issar]

From what people were talking about previously, apparently you can fit into places with the new models on some races that you could not previously, which you know will be exploited to the umpteenth degree here.

From my understanding, it's just that Ogres can fit into places that they could if they were shrunk, otherwise, where everyone else can already go. I personally don't see that as an xploit, but that's just my opinion.

[Jauna]

Yeah but female Dark Elves and Wood Elves look better as luclin models. Everything else is ass.

My druid is a half elf female for a reason. The bikini bottom.

They better not get rid of Luclin models

[Faxi]

From what people were talking about previously, apparently you can fit into places with the new models on some races that you could not previously, which you know will be exploited to the umpteenth degree here.

that sounds like a myth... what are some examples?

[Jaleth]

Don't get me wrong, I hope they keep Luclin character graphics as an option Taxi.

[Dac321]

From what people were talking about previously, apparently you can fit into places with the new models on some races that you could not previously, which you know will be exploited to the umpteenth degree here.


This is 100% true. Back on live I played a Troll warrior, and in order for me to get through a portion of Neriak's cleric guild hall. I had to switch from classic to Luclin models to get through certain hallways.

Whether this actually creates an exploit that would make or break an outcome in end game.. I have no idea.

[Vorkon]

This is 100% true. Back on live I played a Troll warrior, and in order for me to get through a portion of Neriak's cleric guild hall. I had to switch from classic to Luclin models to get through certain hallways.

Whether this actually creates an exploit that would make or break an outcome in end game.. I have no idea.

As another Troll Warrior from back in the day, I can confirm, Old model trolls would get stuck in door frames, Luclin models could crouch through no problem.

I know to get into the bank in Thurgadin as a troll you could spam press crouch while simultaneously mouse clicking open and close on the door and for whatever reason you would eventually squeak through to the other side. I asked a GM about it at the time and he didn't seem to have a problem with it.

Though me and another troll from the guild eventually got ported to a zone that was basically a box that we couldn't get out of and had a 3hour timeout for blocking both the Thurg bank doors by doing the above move mentioned, intentionally blocking the doors, then charging people a toll to get into the bank. Was asked not to do it again because while it may have been considered 'in the spirit of the game', others we're considering it harassment.

[Lictor]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/b0/86/99/b0869959c595dab66c88520664dfa22f.jpg

[skootr]

They should force toggle them on for a month. Then off for a month. Then force non-classic UI, then classic UI. Then all those butthurt on both sides will quit. That's a win for the server in every way.

[Roguejm11]

I watched the Velious announcement and I do not recall them saying they will be forcing old models.

Is this actually true?

[Faxi]

I watched the Velious announcement and I do not recall them saying they will be forcing old models.

Is this actually true?

its true. go to 1:40:50 of the youtube video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3byJ45i9W8

[Jauna]

its true. go to 1:40:50 of the youtube video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3byJ45i9W8

I continued to listen to that, and around 1:45:00 got my interest a little more than the models.

[Safon]

Luclin models shit, players who like them fucked in head

[Rangerboy]

@safon what if people who like classic models are fucked in the head? The truth is, who the fuck cares they are client end features.

[PDX0621]

@safon what if people who like classic models are fucked in the head? The truth is, who the fuck cares they are client end features.

Didn't you hear? EQ is serious business! Burn don't share your pixel preference opinions? Ostracize and burn them at the stake! That will show them the error of their ways! Remember kids, having a differing opinion is wrong!

[Zaela]

Ain't need no luclin models to squeeze through doors. You can just scale the original models down (although it's a bit of a pain because old player race models share a lot of their animation data, would be a chore to get it all for one model and also not affect others).

Not quite the same, but here's a quickie 1/5 scale unshrunk erud newb:
http://i.imgur.com/qtSl2v7.png

I would be interested to see how they'd go about blocking luclin models. It's easy enough to muck with the data files -- overwrite the original models with the luclin versions and such -- so couldn't be anything like forcing a specific file to load first. Unless the whole file was shoved into the dll binary where it's tough to tamper with, I guess. Or maybe some whitelisting checks on the data itself? (num vertices, total size?)

I prefer original models (iksars lost their slithering swim animation -- never forget) but it would be a shame not to let people muck with harmless things on their end.
http://i.imgur.com/5m1CMeM.png?1

[EQJubilee]

If they think the Luclin models give an advantage to the large races over the classic ones just make the Luclin models be 5% larger (large races only). There is no reason to take away choice from the player base that has no effect on others.

[Lorian]

If they think the Luclin models give an advantage to the large races over the classic ones just make the Luclin models be 5% larger (large races only). There is no reason to take away choice from the player base that has no effect on others.

The classic EQ Talibans are asserting power over all other players not to interpret the 'classic feeling of the game' in any other way than their own, even if it is on their own screens only. They are veiled in a burka of blocky classic pixels and refuse anyone to know how their Luclin pixels look.

Welcome to the Caliphate of Classic EQ! :D

[Vorkon]

I'm a fan of older models, but it may just be because the new troll model was ultra clunky in how the attacks worked, using a 2h weapon your character would basically limp backhand things. The original model tended to have better coloration, and whatnot. Regardless of gear on the new model it all just looked like colored plate, when the original models tended to look all mismatched due to the gear having specific graphics and colors.

I personally like the older models, so if the newer models get kibashed, it wouldn't bother me, though if everything is client side and I don't have to see it, I don't have an issue with it.

[curtischoy]

I remember luclin trolls using 2h as a 1h in their right hand and just swung from above.

[Vorkon]

I remember luclin trolls using 2h as a 1h in their right hand and just swung from above.

I believe the hit was actually on the upswing, regardless, the mechanic looked clunky imo. Some of the smaller races looked okay, dwarves and halflings come to mind, but its like the large races were an after thought.

[douglas1999]

I don't get why people who like luclin models always say "Why do you care what I'm seeing on my screen? How does it affect you?". People spend a lot of time and energy playing this game often to get things that are purely aesthetic. They expect that their character is being represented visually the way they intend it to other people. The luclin models are not just bad, they're totally different than the original models and a lot of their armor graphics look completely different. It helps add to a sense of character identity knowing that there is only one way your character will ever look to everyone else. Hell, I'd be happy if they could totally disable those hardware shadows and the "new" water graphics. I hate seeing screens from other people on p99 where everything is some random configuration of new and old graphical settings. "Ohhh hey here's my group in oasis of marr with 2005-era water graphics and shadows and luclin models for some races and not others. Totally looks like classic eq!"

[Taryth]

I don't get why people who like luclin models always say "Why do you care what I'm seeing on my screen? How does it affect you?". People spend a lot of time and energy playing this game often to get things that are purely aesthetic. They expect that their character is being represented visually the way they intend it to other people. The luclin models are not just bad, they're totally different than the original models and a lot of their armor graphics look completely different. It helps add to a sense of character identity knowing that there is only one way your character will ever look to everyone else. Hell, I'd be happy if they could totally disable those hardware shadows and the "new" water graphics. I hate seeing screens from other people on p99 where everything is some random configuration of new and old graphical settings. "Ohhh hey here's my group in oasis of marr with 2005-era water graphics and shadows and luclin models for some races and not others. Totally looks like classic eq!"

You sound like a well adjusted, happy individual. Do you also resent color blind people irl because they don't see everything the way you'd like them to?

You still get to have your aesthetic. Your character still appears to you as you'd like him/her to. Why does everyone else have to see it the same way? I really don't understand why you care so much. It's very strange.

[Ezalor]

personally glad they're removing these monstrosities, and i hope they also include a ban for anyone who had them installed

[Wrench]

Do you also resent color blind people irl because they don't see everything the way you'd like them to?

i like this comparison between people with genetic defects and people who like luclin models

lets expand upon this

[Guide.Chroma]

Since no one has hit arrived to it yet, I'll try to share what the logic behind removing Luclin models would be.

The goal of the server is to recreate Classic EQ. Luclin models aren't classic.

It has nothing to do with anyone's enjoyment. From what I know of Nilbog, he would want people in the future to look at screenshots and videos of p99 and say "shit's classic".

Character models aren't the most important change to make, but it makes sense that Nilbog would want to do it.

[Lorian]

Titanium aint classic either, ban it now.

[Faxi]

Since no one has hit arrived to it yet, I'll try to share what the logic behind removing Luclin models would be.

The goal of the server is to recreate Classic EQ. Luclin models aren't classic.

It has nothing to do with anyone's enjoyment. From what I know of Nilbog, he would want people in the future to look at screenshots and videos of p99 and say "shit's classic".

Character models aren't the most important change to make, but it makes sense that Nilbog would want to do it.

too bad about all those not-classic UI's in the screenshots.

and watching a twitch stream the other day. the guy was using an updating map addon. now that is an advantage.

[Guide.Chroma]

too bad about all those not-classic UI's in the screenshots.

You think that Nilbog wouldn't have us staring at the classic UI too if he could do so easily?

[Ezalor]

Titanium aint classic either, ban it now.

shows up to another guy's free classic server

tells the guy what exceptions he should make so that he can enjoy girly luclin models

yells at the unpaid volunteer guides when he doesn't get his way

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Just code it so that if you have luclin models on, you also get a sparkly tail of rainbow particle effects and a unicorn's horn, and your surname gets changed to "Mylittlepony"

Everybody wins.

[Lorian]

If it looks classic for Nilbog on his own machine, surely that would be enough? No need for him to assert control over how my user interface and character models look on my personal machine? I will still look 'classic' in-game to anyone using the blocky models.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

If it looks classic for Nilbog on his own machine, surely that would be enough? No need for him to assert control over how my user interface and character models look on my personal machine? I will still look 'classic' in-game to anyone using the blocky models.

guys, he's not gonna stop. we are entering the "egg him on" phase.

[khanable]

Should do this serious sam style - if you use Luclin models you're followed around by some of those Overthere skorpikus things. :p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e91q5BtlxK0

[Ezalor]

If it looks classic for Nilbog on his own machine, surely that would be enough? No need for him to assert control over how my user interface and character models look on my personal machine? I will still look 'classic' in-game to anyone using the blocky models.

this is surely the civil rights issue of the century

someone inform amnesty international immediately

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

http://i.imgur.com/B6jmK9g.gif

[Lorian]

this is surely the civil rights issue of the century

someone inform amnesty international immediately :D

What would YOU do if YOU had to give up your dreams for freedom?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVkTmnJkAN8

[Farzo]

I use Luclin models, and I don't give two shits what ya'll think. Most of you kids screaming about Luclin models not being Classic are running around with shadows on and other non classic ui shit.... So fuck yo couch.

Not to mention non classic gui's and 1920x1200blahblah resolutions.

Get rekted if u hate luclin models.

I use a combination of luclin and classic models

My body my choice...oh wait...wrong discussion.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Not to mention non classic gui's and 1920x1200blahblah resolutions.

Get rekted if u hate luclin models.

I use a combination of luclin and classic models

My body my choice...oh wait...wrong discussion.

Luclin graphics = baby murder confirmed

[Rangerboy]

To me, Luclin graphics are like PS2 graphics...and Classic graphics are like N64 graphics. I personally don't know why people don't like the Luclin graphics, I think they look fine. I've heard its the "movement" of the Luclin models. Maybe its just the classic "experience" of what some people prefer.You know...that same "classic" experience which requires you to hit sit before you can camp, and have poor gamma to the point where you can hardly see your screen. Some people love this shit...I dont get it, but whatever floats their boats I guess. People can have their Classic or Luclin graphics, I don't care, its client side so that classic experience other people need doesn't have to bother me.

[PDX0621]

^^^ This guy gets it.

[Roguejm11]

People that play on this server play it for their classic experience, not yours.

I played from 1999-2003; I played from before Kunark expansion all the way to Gates of Discord. I leveled, I died, I dinged, I donged, I soloed, I grouped, I dragged corpses, I lost corpses, I paid for SoW, I paid for Jboots, I used to launch the game just to hear the loading music.

We all have our own experiences with EverQuest, our own memories, of guilds, guild members, friends we made and lost, friends we made and never heard from after that 3:00am corpse run.

The point is it doesn't matter whether you like classic models or velious models, because whether I have classic or velious models turned on, the game looks the same on your screen, and its what I want mine to look like on mine. I do not believe it is fair for the devs to force us to the classic scheme when the game works perfectly well with either.

[Millburn]

People that play on this server play it for their classic experience, not yours.

I played from 1999-2003; I played from before Kunark expansion all the way to Gates of Discord. I leveled, I died, I dinged, I donged, I soloed, I grouped, I dragged corpses, I lost corpses, I paid for SoW, I paid for Jboots, I used to launch the game just to hear the loading music.

We all have our own experiences with EverQuest, our own memories, of guilds, guild members, friends we made and lost, friends we made and never heard from after that 3:00am corpse run.

The point is it doesn't matter whether you like classic models or velious models, because whether I have classic or velious models turned on, the game looks the same on your screen, and its what I want mine to look like on mine. I do not believe it is fair for the devs to force us to the classic scheme when the game works perfectly well with either.

Except we're talking about Luclin graphics, which aren't classic.

[webrunner5]

Not to mention non classic gui's and 1920x1200blahblah resolutions.

Get rekted if u hate luclin models.

I use a combination of luclin and classic models

My body my choice...oh wait...wrong discussion.

I use a combo also. No Ogre or Troll though. Ugly to me in Luclin. :eek:

[Telin]

Classic EQ, as defined by this project, stops at Velious. The goal is to recreate that era as closely as possible. This doesn't only mean server side. Luclin models did not exist then and shouldn't be an expected option when choosing to play on this server.

[Ezalor]

^ /thread

[Roguejm11]

Except we're talking about Luclin graphics, which aren't classic.

It should not matter. It is a personal choice that only the player can see.

[Madriu]

It should not matter. It is a personal choice that only the player can see.

Doesn't matter.

For the Keep Kontent Klassic Taliban, they want to control what you see too.

[Rangerboy]

Gamma wasn't as good either in classic days, why don't you change that back to dark like it was in the classic days too? I saw P99 tried it for like a day and everyone hated it lol....hmm...strange...when those classic experiences come back people bitch...

[Millburn]

Gamma wasn't as good either in classic days, why don't you change that back to dark like it was in the classic days too? I saw P99 tried it for like a day and everyone hated it lol....hmm...strange...when those classic experiences come back people bitch...

The brightness issue is specifically a Titanium client issue and if it could be fixed it would be. You guys really don't grasp the whole "Classic Restoration Project" thing going on here do you? Your personal thoughts on how the game should be is not what's up for debate, it's how the game was at a certain point in its history and that's ultimately the objective and destination in the end.

[Daldaen]

It should not matter. It is a personal choice that only the player can see.

Personal choice is playing here or not playing here.

What the Devs elect to do is their prerogative. Fortunately for all true Classholes, Nilbog and Rogean will happily nuke anything unclassic, even graphics, if they have the capability to do so.

[Rangerboy]

Well I heard that custom content could be added if follows the classic path according to the live stream. Is that part of the "Classic Restoration Project" to restore to that point of time Mr Millburn? Looks like a bunch of conflicting logic to me.

[Ezalor]

Well I heard that custom content could be added if follows the classic path according to the live stream. Is that part of the "Classic Restoration Project" to restore to that point of time Mr Millburn? Looks like a bunch of conflicting logic to me.

dude, get it through your thick skull - the staff here is not accountable to you. you are not a paying customer, and it is not your call.

how the staff would like to interpret or define classic is up to them. if you don't agree, then don't play here. you're just stamping your feet like a child who didn't get his candy bar

[Millburn]

Well I heard that custom content could be added if follows the classic path according to the live stream. Is that part of the "Classic Restoration Project" to restore to that point of time Mr Millburn? Looks like a bunch of conflicting logic to me.

Yet you conveniently leave out the part where custom content is a possibility only after the project has completed. Zzzz

[loramin]

dude, get it through your thick skull - the staff here is not accountable to you. you are not a paying customer, and it is not your call.

That.

Also, any custom content is years off, and no one has any idea what server (if any) it will be released on. So on one side you have players, devs, and admins all united in their desire to re-create classic EverQuest on Blue, and on the other side you have a couple of specific devs saying "hey once we've perfected the classic experience, maybe we'll write some custom content and make it available somewhere." Those two aren't contradictory.

[Rangerboy]

@Ezalor you're funny, I wasn't wanting anything. Just think it's funny how people are so butt hurt over client side stuff. who cares.

[Clark]

Using Luclin Models will be a life-time ban.

[wormed]

@Ezalor you're funny, I wasn't wanting anything. Just think it's funny how people are so butt hurt over client side stuff. who cares.

I think you're misinterpreting "butt hurt" with two different mind sets:

1) If you use Luclin models, you clearly have an eye-brain connection problem. These people are not hurt by your use of Luclin models, they just feel sorry for you. I'm in this group.

or

2) It isn't your box, you don't pay anything, nor are you even required to donate, so whatever they feel allows P99 to remain "classic", it's their decision. Get over it.

[Rangerboy]

Yep exactly

[tristantio]

Make sure to get your classic model face set properly - luclin models can change face in game which (when done) updates your classic model's face (but classic model's can't change the face in game).

[Rangerboy]

How can you even know what the face looks like with classic models? its like 4 pixels

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Yet you conveniently leave out the part where custom content is a possibility only after the project has completed. Zzzz

Yeah they are talking years down the line

[Naprox]

As it was stated earlier by somebody, the only reason anyone gives a shit about how I view my pixels thru MY monitor is because they want to be malicious jerks. It has zero bearing upon how YOU play the game or interact with me.

That being said, they are staying true to form with the "zero fucks given" attitude and that won't change as long as we're seeing ever increasing popularity on this server.

As for the fanboys out there agreeing with this zealot like definition of what is "classic" you're making yourselves look like pathetic lapdogs hungering for any small recognition of favor from your master.

The bottom line is everyone has their own threshold of how much is too much. Fortunately, there are other servers available when those thresholds are met.

[Crabbles]

As it was stated earlier by somebody, the only reason anyone gives a shit about how I view my pixels thru MY monitor is because they want to be malicious jerks. It has zero bearing upon how YOU play the game or interact with me.


Not to poke the bear since you're obviously upset, but I disagree. People play p99 to play Classic (as has been said multiple times), but it goes beyond just the individual person. This is an MMO and the community is a large factor. Playing Classic means that everyone is playing Classic, not just the individual player. As a result, if I wanted that Classic feel, but knew not everyone I interacted with was Classic, it would destroy that immersion.

[khanable]

As it was stated earlier by somebody, the only reason anyone gives a shit about how I view my pixels thru MY monitor is because they want to be malicious jerks. It has zero bearing upon how YOU play the game or interact with me.

That being said, they are staying true to form with the "zero fucks given" attitude and that won't change as long as we're seeing ever increasing popularity on this server.

As for the fanboys out there agreeing with this zealot like definition of what is "classic" you're making yourselves look like pathetic lapdogs hungering for any small recognition of favor from your master.

The bottom line is everyone has their own threshold of how much is too much. Fortunately, there are other servers available when those thresholds are met.

lol

[Vorkon]

I don't understand all the vitriol that goes around about this stuff is about, as others have mentioned there are other emu's that give the experience they are looking for, if they disagree so much with the vision that the p99 staff have.

While I use old models because I don't like the Luclin models, it may be hypocritical of me as I also use Duxa for my UI. If they got rid of UI mod's I would likely just adapt to the classic UI that I used forever on live. These changes don't make or break the server for me. The community is on par with what I experienced on live, which is why I continue to play here as I relive old experience with new people.

[Naprox]

I don't understand all the vitriol that goes around about this stuff is about, as others have mentioned there are other emu's that give the experience they are looking for, if they disagree so much with the vision that the p99 staff have.

While I use old models because I don't like the Luclin models, it may be hypocritical of me as I also use Duxa for my UI. If they got rid of UI mod's I would likely just adapt to the classic UI that I used forever on live. These changes don't make or break the server for me. The community is on par with what I experienced on live, which is why I continue to play here as I relive old experience with new people.

Agreed, adapt and overcome or find greener pastures elsewhere. What concerns me is when people do leave and we're left with fewer people on the server to get the same enjoyment level as we've known.

[PDX0621]

I'd love to see how many of the "models aren't classic" crowd are using aftermarket UI's and tools. Its funny to me how people rarely rag on or care about the insanely unclassic UI's people are running, but mention character models, which only effect the single person using them, and people lose their minds.

[Vorkon]

Agreed, adapt and overcome or find greener pastures elsewhere. What concerns me is when people do leave and we're left with fewer people on the server to get the same enjoyment level as we've known.

I highly doubt you see masses of people leave p99 due to luclin models getting disabled. You'll likely see some people get pissed off and leave no doubt, but the p99 servers would still be loaded with people. People complaining about lack of Luclin and PoP have another option in going to the p2002 emu yet still stay here.

[Naprox]

I highly doubt you see masses of people leave p99 due to luclin models getting disabled. You'll likely see some people get pissed off and leave no doubt, but the p99 servers would still be loaded with people. People complaining about lack of Luclin and PoP have another option in going to the p2002 emu yet still stay here.

That's a good point. The struggle makes their attachment stronger and less inclined to throw it all away. Irony at its best I guess.

[Cazlo]

I'd love to see how many of the "models aren't classic" crowd are using aftermarket UI's and tools. Its funny to me how people rarely rag on or care about the insanely unclassic UI's people are running, but mention character models, which only effect the single person using them, and people lose their minds.

I think most people who get uppity about luclin models are just voicing their opinion about how much they hate them because they think they're ugly. I don't like luclin models either but I don't give a crap if someone else uses them. Unfortunately you're probably right though, hypocrites gonna be hypocrites.

[kaev]

I'd love to see how many of the "models aren't classic" crowd are using aftermarket UI's and tools. Its funny to me how people rarely rag on or care about the insanely unclassic UI's people are running, but mention character models, which only effect the single person using them, and people lose their minds.

I only care about two things:
1. what displays on my screen, i.e. your luclin halfling models aren't on my screen, so I don't care.
2. exploits/cheats, i.e. the troll/ogre using luclin models to move where they could not using classic models is no different than the troll/ogre using some other resize hack for the same purpose, someday i'll smile and nod when the devs come up with a way to stop the cheating.

:shrug: People who cheat at MMO elf-sims puzzle me, always have, always will.

[Lorian]

If you feel this strongly about what settings other people have on their screens on a computer game, I'd strongly recommend taking a break from playing this weekend and have some sex and possible get drunk too. :)

[Voland]

As a result, if I wanted that Classic feel, but knew not everyone I interacted with was Classic, it would destroy that immersion.

It seems like your immersion is quite fragile. Do you also require that everyone stays in-character at all times?

[Crabbles]

It seems like your immersion is quite fragile. Do you also require that everyone stays in-character at all times?

I was just giving a hypothetical, hence the word "if".

[Swish]

No contest Luclin gnomes look way better

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/everquest/images/9/9c/1243667-race_gnome2_super.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120306050042 http://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2015/04/23/g.png

[RiffDaemon]

Gamma wasn't as good either in classic days, why don't you change that back to dark like it was in the classic days too? I saw P99 tried it for like a day and everyone hated it lol....hmm...strange...when those classic experiences come back people bitch...

Unfortunately, that gamma experiment didn't result in a "classic experience." They reverted that change for a reason.

[Glenzig]

No contest Luclin gnomes look way better

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/everquest/images/9/9c/1243667-race_gnome2_super.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120306050042 http://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2015/04/23/g.png

Hahahah. That's so bad! Looks like a really buffed out Patrick Stewart. Old model gnomes look bad. But still way better than that.

[Lorian]

Hahahah. That's so bad! Looks like a really buffed out Patrick Stewart. Old model gnomes look bad. But still way better than that.
The old female model looks like a de-buffed Tasha Yar

[Crabbles]

Apparently someone needs to make a ST:NG video using the Luclin gnome models. Get on it! I'd watch it!

[Glenzig]

The old female model looks like a de-buffed Tasha Yar

Why would anyone play a female? Is this a cooking and laundry game?

[vincin]

both gnome graphics look a bit mentally challenged. derbe derrrrrb

[PDX0621]

I think most people who get uppity about luclin models are just voicing their opinion about how much they hate them because they think they're ugly. I don't like luclin models either but I don't give a crap if someone else uses them. Unfortunately you're probably right though, hypocrites gonna be hypocrites.

I only care about two things:
1. what displays on my screen, i.e. your luclin halfling models aren't on my screen, so I don't care.
2. exploits/cheats, i.e. the troll/ogre using luclin models to move where they could not using classic models is no different than the troll/ogre using some other resize hack for the same purpose, someday i'll smile and nod when the devs come up with a way to stop the cheating.

:shrug: People who cheat at MMO elf-sims puzzle me, always have, always will.

The two answers that sum up my feelings on the matter the best.

[Celticgirl]

I personally love the old classic models.

[Pookieson]

So is this actually a thing? Will Luclin models actually be blocked? How would you even enforce that? Considering we must go around the 'patcher' as it is, and do it ourselves. Banning for luclin models? Laughable honestly.

Your 60 epic monk got banned? MQ or what bro?
Nah, i had my luclin lizards turned on so it didnt look like i was playing a pokemon named Polygon.

If the devs even got behind the idea of enforcing classic models, i would also expect them to crack down on UI's, spell gem icons, textures, shadows, any improved graphics options, all dedicated graphics cards(or at least ones made in the last 10 years), internet connections above 50kbps, and the ability to tab to wiki for a map without crashing. Thats what classic is, not some character models that only I see ffs.

[Secrets]

Classic Vah Shir models are the best.

http://i.imgur.com/gJGEAwD.png

[rollin5k]

Pras the gms for keeping the filth and scum that would use luclin models suppressed.

Nobody wants to see p99 screens with luclin models. What would that say about us? Luclin models represent all that is wrong with this world.

[Lorian]

Nobody wants to see p99 screens with luclin models. What would that say about us?

When did you last unwillingly see a Luclin model in game? NEVER!

When will you next unwillingly see one? NEVER!

More than half of the posters in this thread are positive or at least neutral to Luclin models. As far as I'm concerned, the Luclin models only exist in your head, and if you can not stop thinking on how other players perceive a small part of the game you probably should stop playing for a while. :)

[rollin5k]

Screenshots dawg.

Don't blow a gasket.

[Lorian]

Screenshots dawg.

Don't blow a gasket.

Then I suggest we classify Luclin models as porn and dont post pictures of them on the forum. Problem solved for everyone.

Just like porn, Luclin models are to be enjoyed by myself only, naked in front of the computer.

[Deckk]

I don't get the Luclin models. Not a fan of them at all, to be quite honest. They are better "rounded", yes, but they don't have the endearing features the classic models do.

To each their own, though. But, P99's creators obviously aren't fans. So, I wish you the best in your journey in getting them added.

[Daldaen]

Then I suggest we classify Luclin models as porn and dont post pictures of them on the forum. Problem solved for everyone.

Just like porn, Luclin models are to be enjoyed by myself only, naked in front of the computer.

I'm fine with this. However it should extend to the petition forum.

If your petition needs screenshots to be corroborated, and you only have screenshots with Luclin models, you are not allowed to petition.

GMs and Devs shouldn't be subjected, unwillingly, to your nasty perversion.

[MteniPheet]

Classic Vah Shir models are the best.

http://i.imgur.com/gJGEAwD.png

Classic UI is Classic ;) Really didn't expect UI mods when I started up P99 :P but it's cool either way. The gameplay is still classic. Aesthetics aside.

[PDX0621]

If the devs even got behind the idea of enforcing classic models, i would also expect them to crack down on UI's, spell gem icons, textures, shadows, any improved graphics options

Love it how whenever someone points out the obvious hypocrisy and double standard of picking and choosing what's "classic" vs not, it's almost always immediately glossed over or ignored. Also, those who are the most vocal about hating the models and wanting them removed are using most if not all of the other aftermarket features you listed above.

[Breeziyo]

I'm fine with this. However it should extend to the petition forum.

If your petition needs screenshots to be corroborated, and you only have screenshots with Luclin models, you are not allowed to petition.

GMs and Devs shouldn't be subjected, unwillingly, to your nasty perversion.

Entertaining the thought that people aren't trolling and are legit so absolutely disgusted to their core over seeing different character models in a screenshot is giving me a good laff. I don't use Luclin models here and still use Iksar/Ogre/Troll/Dwarf/Halfling classic models on live just because I feel like they're more true to the race but hoooly shit up until now I thought the Luclin model hate was just playful jabs at people.

Do you guys fall ill when you accidentally see Luclin models in a google image search for "Everquest" as well?

How autistic is the userbase on this server?? This is CWC tearing down a Sonic display because the arms were blue tier.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I'm fine with this. However it should extend to the petition forum.

If your petition needs screenshots to be corroborated, and you only have screenshots with Luclin models, you are not allowed to petition.

GMs and Devs shouldn't be subjected, unwillingly, to your nasty perversion.


+1

[Daldaen]

Entertaining the thought that people aren't trolling and are legit so absolutely disgusted to their core over seeing different character models in a screenshot is giving me a good laff. I don't use Luclin models here and still use Iksar/Ogre/Troll/Dwarf/Halfling classic models on live just because I feel like they're more true to the race but hoooly shit up until now I thought the Luclin model hate was just playful jabs at people.

Do you guys fall ill when you accidentally see Luclin models in a google image search for "Everquest" as well?

How autistic is the userbase on this server?? This is CWC tearing down a Sonic display because the arms were blue tier.
Nah, I played EQ through 2012 on Live. When searching I expect to see that stuff.

However when I come to a Classic Community, I expect to see classic.

People have a Burger King mentality when it comes to P99 and that's what bothers me. They want to pick and choose what *they* want as their own classic.

If they could ban all UIs but the classic ones, remove item linking, DoT damage display, single chat box, single hot bar, remove buff timers, remove cycle NPC/PC hotkeys... I have no doubt a good chunk of people would quit overnight. But I'd be happy as a pig in mud. Cause that's all classic as fuck. And guess what? Without a lot of those features a lot of people who previously could solo content effectively, couldn't anymore. They would stop being efficient when they no longer see their DoTs tick or buff timers. Without their cycle targets and multiple hot bars, people get slower at reacting to trains, adds and mez breaks, etc.

They can throttle zone times and simulate mass-Zerg latency causing LDs (still a big fan of this. You engage dragon with 60 people, 1-3 random people get 2-3 minute stuns cast on them to simulate crashing like would always happen in classic raids from crazy raid lag on shit Internet), if they so choose and I'd be down with that too. That's more limiting hardware rather than actual EQ Mechanics/Interface but that would more correctly emulate the classic EQ experience.

Yet all these people come here and bitch and moan about losing target rings or con colors in targets or compasses or maps. YOU chose to play on a server marketed for its closes ness to Classic EQ. If you want all those convenience features that trivialized the game and dumbed down even the most basic aspects (The number of people who can't understand /loc is baffling to me), EQLive still exists for free. Go play there.

As they say, shits classic.

[kaev]

Entertaining the thought that people aren't trolling and are legit so absolutely disgusted to their core over seeing different character models in a screenshot is giving me a good laff. I don't use Luclin models here and still use Iksar/Ogre/Troll/Dwarf/Halfling classic models on live just because I feel like they're more true to the race but hoooly shit up until now I thought the Luclin model hate was just playful jabs at people.

Do you guys fall ill when you accidentally see Luclin models in a google image search for "Everquest" as well?

How autistic is the userbase on this server?? This is CWC tearing down a Sonic display because the arms were blue tier.

It's their forum RP. They're completely immersed in their chosen role as classholes. They never break character, even when, or perhaps especially when, their Vision[tm] of classholishness compels them to take positions that are indistinguishable from trolling. This is what happens when you abandon any notion of civilized restraint and take your immersion to 11.

Mothers, don't let your children grow up to be classholes!

[Baler]

during the livestream announcement it was stated. Is this true?

If it's on sirken's stream it's probably just talk. very unprofessional.

[Daldaen]

It's their forum RP. They're completely immersed in their chosen role as classholes. They never break character, even when, or perhaps especially when, their Vision[tm] of classholishness compels them to take positions that are indistinguishable from trolling. This is what happens when you abandon any notion of civilized restraint and take your immersion to 11.

Mothers, don't let your children grow up to be classholes!

Nilbog's a classhole.

Do you have a problem with Nilbog?!??!?

[kaev]

Nilbog's a classhole.

Do you have a problem with Nilbog?!??!?

LOL. I don't "have a problem with" anybody contributing to this project. That's especially true of the staff! But I include you and Ele and everybody else putting in time to research and/or test the details that keep things evolving here. I may disagree with specific details and goals and points of emphasis, but so what? That's just my opinion man. ;) This server is great fun, everybody contributing helps make it great fun, even Cucumbers.

[foldupmonk]

Im guessing I am the only one that never notices. EQ looks like EQ to me. I might have luclin models on? IDK, Im sure when I started playing a couple years ago I put them in there. Never thought about it.

[Daldaen]

That's just my opinion man. ;)

I feel this quote needs a "like" tossed in and an image included

[paulgiamatti]

Luclin models are pretty much the reason I quit real EQ in 2002.

I can't even imagine how you could possibly do a worse job designing and animating player models. Just mind-bogglingly bad.

[bloodmuffin]

Trolls, ogres, iksar, gnomes, halflings, dwarfs, and erudites are terrible Luclin models in my opinion. I didn't mind the elves models that much.

Iksar possibly the biggest upset of them all. Did anyone find it appealing? It's like they spent the least amount of time redesigning Iksar, then gave them Kyphosis, as well as the worst facial upgrades imaginable.

[Kika Maslyaka]

As they say, shits classic.

my 2plat: - IMHO Classic is a specific content, mechanics and lore world. In my mind it is not related to hardware or technicalities of user interface.

Death penalty, corpse runs, tough mobs, medding, xp/item camping - all this are part of mechanics. They have 99% impact on gameplay.

Target rings, color con codes, item linking, modifiable UI, and oh my god Luclin models - maybe have 1% impact on PERSONAL PERCEPTION ONLY.

Your corpse run, hell levels, and rarity of items needed for epic is not going away whenever you have colored target ring or not. You won't get mana any faster whenever you have Luclin models on or not.

Unlike some people, my perception of the CLASSIC world is not affected by cosmetic interface discrepancies.

Now MAPS - are tricky ones - they clearly affect gameplay, and not just UI feature.

[blondeattk]

Nilbog's a classhole.

Do you have a problem with Nilbog?!??!?

yes, clearly a retard. all classic nazis are retards.

[kaev]

Nah, multiple chat windows matter. With a single chat window you will probably be filtering so much log data that it will impact your gameplay at times.

Want to know if a mob is casting? No more separate window for spell casting messages. Go-go particle effects! Once upon a time I knew which casting animation was used for gate.

Want to submit a bug report? Might as well resign yourself to attempting to reproduce it with spam on so you can submit a log, tough shit if the original incident killed your toon.

Want to take tells for buffs on a raid? No more tell windows, think about it.

Want to chat with friends elsewhere while in an active group? No more tell windows, IRC maybe?

Want to run a combat parser? Your groupmates just might get tired of you never having a clue what's being said in groupchat because the combat spam drowned it.

Want to screenshot the telltale log message showing how that douchenozzle just trained your group? Better hope you predicted his technique & turned the right messages on.

& etc.


It can be bit of a different game with the primitive UI.

[drktmplr12]

If the devs figure out how to do it you can be almost certain they will force classic UIs.

many tears will be had. if anything is classic. its the tears.

[Daldaen]

Exactly.

And the people who say "we know so much now 15 years late Velious is easy" and the like, are correct... To an extent. But a big reason why the game will be easier than classic is because we are on the Titanium client. If we had an earlier era client, people would find themselves crippled by some of the UI features.

No scroll wheel to 3rd person, I know a handful would quit outright if this was remove, but it wasn't added until GoD era I think. Get used to F9 and Mouselook friends. Looking around a corner to lull mobs would get a more time consuming.

Etc. etc.

[Erati]

No scroll wheel to 3rd person, I know a handful would quit outright if this was remove, but it wasn't added until GoD era I think. Get used to F9 and Mouselook friends. Looking around a corner to lull mobs would get a more time consuming.


die.

[Gatorsmash_da'troll]

it has zero gameplay

Changes troll hitbox and allows you to pass past things that require shrink

[Naprox]

By the time they force the ui and graphics changes, Live will have its shit together and people will just move over to there.

Not going to complain. It's his server and he can run it however he wants. When it stops being enjoyable to play here I'll move on. Simple as that.

[Ele]

By the time they force the ui and graphics changes, Live will have its shit together and people will just move over to there.

Not going to complain. It's his server and he can run it however he wants. When it stops being enjoyable to play here I'll move on. Simple as that.

See ya

[kaev]

By the time they force the ui and graphics changes, Live will have its shit together and people will just move over to there.

Not going to complain. It's his server and he can run it however he wants. When it stops being enjoyable to play here I'll move on. Simple as that.

If the annoyance of adjusting to a different UI robs the game of enjoyment for you, sure that makes sense. I'm pretty sure I'll get over it myself, tho I may rant a little (or a lot) first.

[Daldaen]

If Haynar wasn't trolling and really has buff timers removed next patch...

My Immersion is going to be cranked up to an 11.

[kaev]

If Haynar wasn't trolling and really has buff timers removed next patch...

My Immersion is going to be cranked up to an 11.

See, now that's one of the bits that'll get me ranting. When a change has the primary effect of separating those who go the extra mile with out of game appliances (hello programmable "eggtimer" on the desk) from those who do not, I'm 100% willing to voice my opinion that it's a bad choice. That's actually my main issue with the single chat window also, its greatest effect is to place a much larger value on out of game chat resources.

[Kika Maslyaka]

If the annoyance of adjusting to a different UI robs the game of enjoyment for you, sure that makes sense. I'm pretty sure I'll get over it myself, tho I may rant a little (or a lot) first.

While UI is being dumbed down, please also force everyone onto 33k modem connection, 400 Mgh Celeron CPU and 32MB of ram and 4Mb Video (NON 3D). Oh yeah - random timeouts every 5 min and disconnects every half hour. Now THAT will truly crank up the difficulty and nostalgic value.

EQ UI was BAD to start with - early reviewers clearly called it "unintuitive and cumbersome" even by the 99s standards and expectations.

And while the original UI supposedly will make game harder, we have everyone favorite classical exploit (MQing) that makes the game hellova lot easier than it should have been. So I see that the notion is: lets dumb down the UI to introduce artificial burden, but lets keep an obvious exploit in the game.

[Kevris]

4Mb Video (NON 3D). .

Not classic.

Everquest required a 3D accelerator to run.

[DeathWalking]

If you like Luclin models, you are sick in the head.

[rollin5k]

They should remove mq. Make it even more fucking classic than classic.

[Naprox]

There would be no end to the tears.

[Kika Maslyaka]

Not classic.

Everquest required a 3D accelerator to run.

What I meant no fancy shit with dedicated sub-cpu like NVDIA.
Simple 3D accelerator was built it into my $16 8Mb ATI card - the game worked. But like total crap, and I could not load Kunark zones at all until I got cheap upgrade to Radeon 32MB.

[Pookieson]

Love it how whenever someone points out the obvious hypocrisy and double standard of picking and choosing what's "classic" vs not, it's almost always immediately glossed over or ignored. Also, those who are the most vocal about hating the models and wanting them removed are using most if not all of the other aftermarket features you listed above.

well, duh. how else would the poop sockers dominate the lay men? they use highly modified UI's, high speed internet, computers that easily over power most modern MMO's, have wiki on alt-tab, and teamspeak running with a mic glued to their face while they sh** in a tube sock like Eric Cartman in that awesome WoW episode.

None of this is classic, but its what it takes to compete at 50+ in any shitty raid guild. If you use teamspeak(which P99 could never block) but bitch about luclin models, please put that 12 guage that your grandpa left you in your mouth and pull the trigger with your big toe.

[Telin]

Character models are a part of the game's original design. Trying to compare classic model enforcement to technical advances is apples to oranges.

[Lady Julae]

I really don't understand the player hate with Luclin models. I think they are 1000x better than the "classic" models. Granted, the combat animations have little to be desired, but the overall look of every Luclin model is superior.

If I was a P99 developer, I would seriously consider using everything the Titanium client has to offer, such as additional races and classes as well as the enhanced graphics/UI. One can still keep the "feel" of the game classic via the game mechanics while still delivering a more aesthetically pleasing game.

"Classic" graphics are simply nostalgia. If gamers had a choice, I think almost all of us would love to see EQ Next to be simply EQ1 (same classic zones, game mechanics, etc.) with 2015 graphics, and run it like an EQ1 progression server.

[RiffDaemon]

I really don't understand the player hate with Luclin models....

.... "Classic" graphics are simply nostalgia.

Sounds like you kinda do understand.

[Lady Julae]

Character models are a part of the game's original design. Trying to compare classic model enforcement to technical advances is apples to oranges.

1 Chat Window
1 Hot Bar
1 Spell bar
No MQ
Night Blindness
No Item linking
No Tell windows
No shadows
No Bloom
No enhanced graphics

These were all also in the games original design, yet are kept. This is classic? Luclin graphic overrides were being used since the project began, much how UI overrides were being used. Neither affected how others enjoyed the classic game play P99 offers.

And that is really the point of those using Luclin models. They want a classic "game play" experience, they do not necessarily want "classic" aesthetics. And if I might be so bold, aesthetics and game play are apples and oranges as well. Aesthetics does not implement game play; and while the developers of P99 may feel that they don't have to listen to their community, it's their community that ultimately makes their project worth while. What's the point of the project if no one plays on it?

I see no harm in updated graphics so long as the game play is the same. So rather than turning Luclin models off, make a toggle for those who prefer to keep them on, kinda how EQ2 did with the SOGA models, which looked 100x better than the original models.

[Lady Julae]

Sounds like you kinda do understand.

Oh I understand. I understand that there are some players who love the classic models, and for them, it enhances their classic experience. What I do not understand is why those same people do not want those players who love the Luclin models to enjoy them as part of their classic experience.

Everyone has their own opinion to what classic EQ is for them. For me, it's classic game play mechanics. Aesthetics only make that experience better, as it's proper for 2015. I guess what I am saying is I want EQ1 with better, 2015 graphics. I think most of us do.

[Kika Maslyaka]

speaking of wanting old UI back:

http://www.gucomics.com/comics/2000/gu_20001026.jpg

[PDX0621]

Character models are a part of the game's original design. Trying to compare classic model enforcement to technical advances is apples to oranges.

It's not so much the models themselves, it's the inherent hypocrisy that's so prevalent in most peoples arguments against them. (People don't like and don't want others to use because they aren't classic, yet they themselves use and participate in many unclassic things and don't see the difference.)

[Daldaen]

It's not so much the models themselves, it's the inherent hypocrisy that's so prevalent in most peoples arguments against them. (People don't like and don't want others to use because they aren't classic, yet they themselves use and participate in many unclassic things and don't see the difference.)

A lot of those things they don't have a choice.

You can't not use item links. Well you could yourself but you still have to see everyone else's.

You can not use certain hot keys and UI functions but you are at a severe disadvantage against anyone else using those hotkeys and UI functions.

I'd love to say nuke it all and go 100% classic. Or accept that Luclin and PoP were the two greatest expansions to ever grace this game (sacred be their names, Amen)

[Champion_Standing]

Pretty sure that science proved that Luclin models give you brain tumors. How can they let people use them in good conscience.

[Ezalor]

These were all also in the games original design, yet are kept. This is classic?

no its not classic which is why they will change all of those things too

[kaev]

Pretty sure that science proved that Luclin models give you brain tumors. How can they let people use them in good conscience.

Amen! Preach it Brother C!

[Lady Julae]

no its not classic which is why they will change all of those things too

But my point being that those things that I listed were original game mechanics. They should be fixing those first before aesthetics which do not hinder anyone's game experience. As I said before, I believe most people who think of "classic" EQ simply want a "classic" game mechanics server; and better aesthetics would only serve to better the enjoyment of a classic server. Want proof? Just head over to the EQ Next forums and read all the posts on how EQ Next should go back to it's roots. They certainly imply the old game mechanics, but certainly not the dated graphics.

That said, why not just implement a /toggle switch to satisfy all who play P99? And as far as classic is concerned, EQ only became "unclassic" when they started with WoW and other modern MMO ideas like bazaar, PoK knowledge books and mercenaries. The updated graphics certainly didn't affect the game play.

[Lorian]

accept that Luclin and PoP were the two greatest expansions to ever grace this game (sacred be their names, Amen)

Amen to that! Good that we agree finally!! :D

[PDX0621]

A lot of those things they don't have a choice.

You can't not use item links. Well you could yourself but you still have to see everyone else's.

You can not use certain hot keys and UI functions but you are at a severe disadvantage against anyone else using those hotkeys and UI functions.

I'd love to say nuke it all and go 100% classic. Or accept that Luclin and PoP were the two greatest expansions to ever grace this game (sacred be their names, Amen)

My comment wasn't directed at the devs, but at the players who complain about the models and want them removed, that use many unclassic features themselves and think nothing of it. I'd love to see all the custom UI's, tools, logs, and 3rd part programs many of the "It's Not Classic" people are using.

Pretty sure that science proved that Luclin models give you brain tumors. How can they let people use them in good conscience.

You know, occasionally, just occasionally, it would be refreshing to actually have a legitimate discussion, as I feel like many of us are, without people going full fucking retard at each and every conceivable opportunity they get. Alas, I'm afraid that may be asking to much, considering many in the audience.

[Pookieson]

Character models are a part of the game's original design. Trying to compare classic model enforcement to technical advances is apples to oranges.

but fruit none the less.

[Champion_Standing]

You know, occasionally, just occasionally, it would be refreshing to actually have a legitimate discussion, as I feel like many of us are, without people going full fucking retard at each and every conceivable opportunity they get. Alas, I'm afraid that may be asking to much, considering many in the audience.

Have a serious discussion about Luclin models? Are you being serious? How deep of a conversation is there to be had about Luclin models honestly. It's a matter if personal preference, but if Rogean and Nilbog decide to block them that's the end of it. Discussion over mods plz lock this thread.

[PDX0621]

Have a serious discussion about Luclin models? Are you being serious? How deep of a conversation is there to be had about Luclin models honestly. It's a matter if personal preference, but if Rogean and Nilbog decide to block them that's the end of it. Discussion over mods plz lock this thread.

What, some people disagree with you, so you want to take your ball and go home? Obviously I realize this whole conversion is ultimately meaningless, since we know the models will be removed by the powers that be. That much has already been stated. The hypocrisy of many of the PLAYERS who want them removed is what I am talking about. PLAYERS. PLAYERS. I find the reasoning many want them removed is hypocritical, considering all the other non classic features the same said players use. I find the rationale their arguments and discussing it to be entertaining, even if it's all for not.

[paulgiamatti]

Actually, I remember someone saying that some of the Luclin race models are either bigger/smaller than the classic models, which would have an effect on the areas that said races can traverse. So there are more than purely aesthetic reasons behind dev intervention here.

On the topic of player reasoning, who cares? Most people are just aspergering out about what they look like in game to other people. Not worth discussing.

[Lorian]

Actually, I remember someone saying that some of the Luclin race models are either bigger/smaller than the classic models, which would have an effect on the areas that said races can traverse. So there are more than purely aesthetic reasons behind dev intervention here.

Sounds like bullcrap to me. What is the proof (other than cries from from butthurt classholes) that changing models will change the way the server calculates the area of a player character?

[paulgiamatti]

It's certainly testable. If it were an issue, then height would be also - if the Luclin gnome is slightly taller than the classic gnome, for instance, you'd be able to jump up to areas you wouldn't normally be able to if you were using the classic model.

[Duncon]

Sounds like bullcrap to me. What is the proof (other than cries from from butthurt classholes) that changing models will change the way the server calculates the area of a player character?

Having this (collision detection, etc.) done by the client makes sense to me. I would be surprised to learn the servers run 3D models, but I am no expert.

[PDX0621]

If anything, wouldn't larger/smaller sizes be considered classic? There are places in the game now that are accessible to some races, that others cannot fit without the help of spells/potions.

[paulgiamatti]

Having this (collision detection, etc.) done by the client makes sense to me. I would be surprised to learn the servers run 3D models, but I am no expert.

Right, as I understand it model interaction with zones is mostly client-side, with the exception of certain objects like doors and switches.

[paulgiamatti]

If anything, wouldn't larger/smaller sizes be considered classic? There are places in the game now that are accessible to some races, that others cannot fit without the help of spells/potions.

Afaik the current sizes of classic models are fine, the question is whether the Luclin counterparts have the same dimensions.

[kaev]

Afaik the current sizes of classic models are fine, the question is whether the Luclin counterparts have the same dimensions.

Some dude posted, can't recall which thread, that he can switch to Luclin models to get thru some spots in Neriak with his troll. That specific example doesn't sound particularly game-breaking, but it is a game-mechanical change tied directly to using Luclin models. Somebody else suggested that it is possible to use the "banner jump" trick to get to second floor in City of Mist with an unshrunk fattie by using Luclin models. CoM is an outdoor dungeon, cast Shrink doesn't work there, so that would save use of a potion charge. Again not exactly game-breaking, but still a game-mechanical effect.

Anybody using Luclin models to do something more valuable/useful than those two examples is highly unlikely to post about it here, or so it seems to me.

[paulgiamatti]

Well, there you have it.

Let's punctuate this thread with some Swish not classic gifs.

[paulgiamatti]

http://i.imgur.com/WRepZRX.gif

[PDX0621]

As much as I like the Luclin models, if people can and do use them to exploit certain aspects of the game, then I can understand having them removed. However, isn't that almost classic though? As I'd mentioned before, there are areas of the classic game that are accessible to some races, that aren't to others, running the classic models.

[paulgiamatti]

isn't that almost classic though?

http://i.imgur.com/O5OlM33.gif

[Pookieson]

Some dude posted, can't recall which thread, that he can switch to Luclin models to get thru some spots in Neriak with his troll. That specific example doesn't sound particularly game-breaking, but it is a game-mechanical change tied directly to using Luclin models. Somebody else suggested that it is possible to use the "banner jump" trick to get to second floor in City of Mist with an unshrunk fattie by using Luclin models. CoM is an outdoor dungeon, cast Shrink doesn't work there, so that would save use of a potion charge. Again not exactly game-breaking, but still a game-mechanical effect.

Anybody using Luclin models to do something more valuable/useful than those two examples is highly unlikely to post about it here, or so it seems to me.

OH SHIT. OH SHIT. Lock the servers, call Nirgon, call Rogean, resuscitate Sirken: people are getting up to the second floor of CoM to grind without blowing a click off of their shrink potion!

Even if this were true(i dont know if it is), BOTH sides of this argument currently have access to Luclin and classic models. How would it be considered unfair then? The resources are available to you, your just to classic-tarded to use them.

Regardless, this example, or gnomes jumping further(omfg nerf) are neither significant to anybody or game-breaking to any extent of the word. A real game breaking bug is fucking gnomes looking through walls, but oh wait its classic so its allowed. You hypocritical ignorant..... ill stop, this isnt RnF.

If luclin models are banned but UI's remain non-classic, and teamspeak is not nerfed, and alt-tabbing to wiki is not nerfed, then i have some serious concerns over the use of logic by those in power.

Dont take the only aesthetically pleasing thing about this game from me.

[Kika Maslyaka]

OH SHIT. OH SHIT. Lock the servers, call Nirgon, call Rogean, resuscitate Sirken: people are getting up to the second floor of CoM to grind without blowing a click off of their shrink potion!

Even if this were true(i dont know if it is), BOTH sides of this argument currently have access to Luclin and classic models. How would it be considered unfair then? The resources are available to you, your just to classic-tarded to use them.

Regardless, this example, or gnomes jumping further(omfg nerf) are neither significant to anybody or game-breaking to any extent of the word. A real game breaking bug is fucking gnomes looking through walls, but oh wait its classic so its allowed. You hypocritical ignorant..... ill stop, this isnt RnF.

If luclin models are banned but UI's remain non-classic, and teamspeak is not nerfed, and alt-tabbing to wiki is not nerfed, then i have some serious concerns over the use of logic by those in power.

Dont take the only aesthetically pleasing thing about this game from me.

I agree with all of the above.
More, I find it ridiculous that originally some player races simply could not enter center areas without help of shrink potions - that's some fucked up game balance.

[Pookieson]

Who nerfed my Sig? i want answers now.

[BahamutDF]

I don't personally have an issue with the Luclin models. I don't exactly love them, but I don't personally care if others use them. With that said, I feel this argument is pointless in general because:

A) This is a free gaming project that is not run for profit. As such, Nilbog et. al have absolutely no financial or moral imperative to listen to people arguing in favor of continuing to allow the use of Luclin models
B) You choose to play here and there are other servers with other rulesets and objectives
C) If anything, Nilbog et. al are extremely consistent as they've always stated the goal was to make the server as classic as possible on all fronts.

It's not about personal preference. It's not about what's "good" or "bad" for the server. It's not about being fair or unfair. And it's not about some misguided moral argument, either.

It's very simple: Either play with full understanding of what the objectives are (and have always been), or find another server that is more accommodating to your personal preferences.

/thread yet? Sheesh

[Pookieson]

I don't personally have an issue with the Luclin models. I don't exactly love them, but I don't personally care if others use them. With that said, I feel this argument is pointless in general because:

A) This is a free gaming project that is not run for profit. As such, Nilbog et. al have absolutely no financial or moral imperative to listen to people arguing in favor of continuing to allow the use of Luclin models
B) You choose to play here and there are other servers with other rulesets and objectives
C) If anything, Nilbog et. al are extremely consistent as they've always stated the goal was to make the server as classic as possible on all fronts.

It's not about personal preference. It's not about what's "good" or "bad" for the server. It's not about being fair or unfair. And it's not about some misguided moral argument, either.

It's very simple: Either play with full understanding of what the objectives are (and have always been), or find another server that is more accommodating to your personal preferences.

/thread yet? Sheesh

boot licker.

[PDX0621]

I don't personally have an issue with the Luclin models. I don't exactly love them, but I don't personally care if others use them. With that said, I feel this argument is pointless in general because:

A) This is a free gaming project that is not run for profit. As such, Nilbog et. al have absolutely no financial or moral imperative to listen to people arguing in favor of continuing to allow the use of Luclin models
B) You choose to play here and there are other servers with other rulesets and objectives
C) If anything, Nilbog et. al are extremely consistent as they've always stated the goal was to make the server as classic as possible on all fronts.

It's not about personal preference. It's not about what's "good" or "bad" for the server. It's not about being fair or unfair. And it's not about some misguided moral argument, either.

It's very simple: Either play with full understanding of what the objectives are (and have always been), or find another server that is more accommodating to your personal preferences.

/thread yet? Sheesh

Already addressed.

Obviously I realize this whole conversion is ultimately meaningless, since we know the models will be removed by the powers that be. That much has already been stated. The hypocrisy of many of the PLAYERS who want them removed is what I am talking about. PLAYERS. PLAYERS. I find the reasoning many want them removed is hypocritical, considering all the other non classic features the same said players use. I find the rationale their arguments and discussing it to be entertaining, even if it's all for not.

[Kika Maslyaka]

I don't personally have an issue with the Luclin models. I don't exactly love them, but I don't personally care if others use them. With that said, I feel this argument is pointless in general because:

A) This is a free gaming project that is not run for profit. As such, Nilbog et. al have absolutely no financial or moral imperative to listen to people arguing in favor of continuing to allow the use of Luclin models
B) You choose to play here and there are other servers with other rulesets and objectives
C) If anything, Nilbog et. al are extremely consistent as they've always stated the goal was to make the server as classic as possible on all fronts.

It's not about personal preference. It's not about what's "good" or "bad" for the server. It's not about being fair or unfair. And it's not about some misguided moral argument, either.

It's very simple: Either play with full understanding of what the objectives are (and have always been), or find another server that is more accommodating to your personal preferences.

/thread yet? Sheesh

Fine, lets suppose our direction is 100% Classic regardless of "what's "good" or "bad"". How about number of non classic things that were intentionally implemented? Recharge nerf of lifetap thing? Raid rotation?

[elkay]

Is this still official? P99 forcibly blocking Luclin models next month?

[milsorgen]

It's extremely disconcerting to see so many people so flippant about the use of exploits.

Water is wet and cheating is cheating.

[Millburn]

Luclin models aren't classic. /thread

[elkay]

I'm just trying to get an official word whether "discouraged" or "bannable".

[Baler]

Edit: Shits classic I get that.. but I mean it's also unfortunate and alternative graphics can be a draw for players.

[wormed]

As I've said before, if you actually prefer Luclin models, you need to get your eyes checked, head examined, or both. They're eye cancer inducing disgusting models that look like they were designed by my 1 year old nephew. They've got worse animations than the original models, which is already laughable, and they made everyone look like garbage.

Now, for the people who want them, I really don't care, but know that I look down on you. And I'm pretty awesome, so that's very insulting.

EDIT:

LOOK HOW AWESOME THESE HELMS ARE. FU Luclin models.
http://www.eqemulator.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29595

[Lady Julae]

Just code it so that if you have luclin models on, you also get a sparkly tail of rainbow particle effects and a unicorn's horn, and your surname gets changed to "Mylittlepony"

Everybody wins.

What's so bad about liking better looking avatars?

[Lady Julae]

As I've said before, if you actually prefer Luclin models, you need to get your eyes checked, head examined, or both. They're eye cancer inducing disgusting models that look like they were designed by my 1 year old nephew. They've got worse animations than the original models, which is already laughable, and they made everyone look like garbage.

Now, for the people who want them, I really don't care, but know that I look down on you. And I'm pretty awesome, so that's very insulting.

EDIT:

LOOK HOW AWESOME THESE HELMS ARE. FU Luclin models.
http://www.eqemulator.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29595

You really think that avatars that look like they were built with legos are better looking than the Luclin models? I will agree, the Luclin combat animations lack any wow factor, but the over all appearance of the Luclin model is far superior to the older models.

[Vidar]

What's so bad about liking better looking avatars?

'Better Looking' is a matter of opinion. Luclin models look retarded. Yes classic models are older but that doesnt make them not as good.

[Kika Maslyaka]

'Better Looking' is a matter of opinion. Luclin models look retarded. Yes classic models are older but that doesnt make them not as good.

Oh is it matter of opinion now? And here I thought that its the old models that looked retarded.

[Pscottdai]

yuck, forgot how awful the ogre helm model is in SoV

[Vidar]

Oh is it matter of opinion now? And here I thought that its the old models that looked retarded.

Yes, it is an opinion. Look the word up.

The new models also move retarded. Classic eq models may be old but they are great for what they are. They did great with what they had. The new models...not so much. For being new they sure screwed them up. They could have been awesome.

Something else i wasnt crazy about with the new graphics was how every breastplate had etching all over it. What happened to regular Plate mail?

[Mentathiel]

My issue with Luclin models was mainly to do with consistency; back in the Luclin days especially, you'd have to pick just a few races to 'upgrade' and they would look wrong surrounded by the pre-Luclin races and the fixed-model NPCs.

On the other hand, I don't much care what models other people have. Knowing that there are some model-related exploits makes me a little less apathetic, but I still can't say I am that upset...

[kaev]

'Better Looking' is a matter of opinion. Luclin models look retarded. Yes classic models are older but that doesnt make them not as good.

* Trolls & Ogres lost all of the interesting character to them. Original models were fun & the ass-scratching idle animation was a great feature. Luclin models look like retarded football players who're gonna die slowly and painfully from some horrible steroid-induced malady.
* Iksars went from cool looking lizardman warriors to really stupid-looking juiced bodybuilders with spray-on scales & rubber masks & tails.
* Gnomes... wtf? seriously?? put down the mirror and the coke and back away slowly from the mouse and keyboard, don't come back
* Dwarves went from ugly with character to just ugly
* Halflings... never cared enough to notice how they were changed
* Erudites... lost their unique character, much prefer the original big dome dudes & the most graceful female outline in the game
* Animations so so so bad on the new models
* Half-elf plate helm graphic on the new model is so incredibly horrible that my paladin refused to get a mount specifically to avoid having to look like that on my screen

I could've gotten past most of that, human and elf models in general do look better and I play mostly human & elf chars, but those funky animations and the ultimate horror of the half-elf plate helm were fatal flaws that cannot ever be forgiven.

[wormed]

* Trolls & Ogres lost all of the interesting character to them. Original models were fun & the ass-scratching idle animation was a great feature. Luclin models look like retarded football players who're gonna die slowly and painfully from some horrible steroid-induced malady.
* Iksars went from cool looking lizardman warriors to really stupid-looking juiced bodybuilders with spray-on scales & rubber masks & tails.
* Gnomes... wtf? seriously?? put down the mirror and the coke and back away slowly from the mouse and keyboard, don't come back
* Dwarves went from ugly with character to just ugly
* Halflings... never cared enough to notice how they were changed
* Erudites... lost their unique character, much prefer the original big dome dudes & the most graceful female outline in the game
* Animations so so so bad on the new models
* Half-elf plate helm graphic on the new model is so incredibly horrible that my paladin refused to get a mount specifically to avoid having to look like that on my screen

I could've gotten past most of that, human and elf models in general do look better and I play mostly human & elf chars, but those funky animations and the ultimate horror of the half-elf plate helm were fatal flaws that cannot ever be forgiven.

I know you're technically on my side when it comes to Luclin models but... yo bro, Dwarf model is awesome as fuck!!!!