Iksar shaman creation points?

[pink grapefruit]

Wisdom or stamina? Or both?

[Zehrikrom]

I'd say equal points in both.

[Darkatar]

Put all your points into ogre!

Seriously though, you should have no problem maxing out your wisdom, especially as an iksar. I would go stamina 25 and 5 to wis, personally.

[webrunner5]

I don't care much for a Iskar Shaman. I know the Re gen high up is like having a free Fungi, but they can't use JBB, wear chain Armor, starting stats suck, etc. etc.

It is Barb or Ogre to me, Only 2 worth bothering with. When Velious comes out and even now a Shaman has to at times stand toe to toe with a Mob. And it will happen a LOT in Velious. Lots of mobs summon in that expansion. Lodizal is a great example of that as a Mob, and a Iksar is not going to do as well as a Ogre.

A Shaman is more of a Melee toon than people think. I put ZERO Wis points in my Bard at the start, Str, Sta all the way. And Str, Sta, AC gear almost the way also. Pays to have both types of gear when you can afford it with you. They hit and get hit. Pretend you are a Warrior not a Caster and you will level a LOT faster and loot more gear. When you get your Epic you can Root Rot mobs but even then Root DOES break and they will beat on you hard.

It is a Expensive as hell class to play, I think the most expensive in the game. And they are a turd to play in a group because you NEVER get a break with Canni, buffs, Slows, people being outside the group for Sow etc. etc.

But they will be one of the FEW classes that can solo in Velious, so worth the effort I think.

[Darkatar]

I put ZERO Wis points in my Bard at the start, Str, Sta all the way.

Off-topic.. But, that's good, since bards mana comes from INT, not WIS p:

[webrunner5]

Off-topic.. But, that's good, since bards mana comes from INT, not WIS p:

I meant Barb Shaman lol. Thanks for the correction. :p

[Grobb 1999]

starting stats suck, ...
It is Barb or Ogre to me, Only 2 worth bothering with.... I put ZERO Wis points in my Bard at the start, Str, Sta all the way. And Str, Sta, AC gear...It is a Expensive as hell class to play, I think the most expensive in the game. And they are a turd to play in a group.

A few things jump out at me.

-Solo wise pre 24 (can & regen) they are easier to solo lvl because they have 20 more points of wis vs trolls and the same regen

-putting your points in Str is so dumb I'm surprised the game didn't crash. You can -maybe- argue STA, but WIS is the only Stat you can't self buff and your mana pool depth is set by it so unless you want to Canni for the rest of your life your going to take points in WIS at creation and gear from day 1

-"troll" or "ogre" are really the only two choices. Regen or frontal stun immunity are the choices and you can argue your preference in the priest threads. Barb your paying 5% XP over the life of your character for slam and the joy of being blind till you get a vision item or perm light source And Iksar you get less wis/Sta combined and no slam for the same cost plus zero banking mainland out of kunark (pre velious)without work

-most expensive to play in game? Wut? It's not even in the top 5.

-a turd to play in groups? I think you mean busy , or you can't afk.

[curtischoy]

25 to sta, 5 to wis.

[webrunner5]

A few things jump out at me.

-Solo wise pre 24 (can & regen) they are easier to solo lvl because they have 20 more points of wis vs trolls and the same regen

-putting your points in Str is so dumb I'm surprised the game didn't crash. You can -maybe- argue STA, but WIS is the only Stat you can't self buff and your mana pool depth is set by it so unless you want to Canni for the rest of your life your going to take points in WIS at creation and gear from day 1

-"troll" or "ogre" are really the only two choices. Regen or frontal stun immunity are the choices and you can argue your preference in the priest threads. Barb your paying 5% XP over the life of your character for slam and the joy of being blind till you get a vision item or perm light source And Iksar you get less wis/Sta combined and no slam for the same cost plus zero banking mainland out of kunark (pre velious)without work

-most expensive to play in game? Wut? It's not even in the top 5.

-a turd to play in groups? I think you mean busy , or you can't afk.

Your reading skills are pretty sub par as is your knowledge of playing and outfitting a Shaman on here. :eek:

[eisley]

Shamans are rather expensive because of their spells mainly.

For the record I am an iksar shaman and I did 25 dex 5 sta, with Velious in mind. I'd mainly advise against wisdom, a stat useless once you are under 100% mana, which will be essentially always if you play with efficiency in mind. However, it's not a huge deal where you place your starting points. Do be aware of the ~160k cost of spells.

[Supaskillz]

To answer OP's question. I think how you divide between STA and WIS will end up not mattering much. I think wis is easier to get through items than STA, but at the end of the day I wouldn't be expecting either to be easily 255 maxed especialyl since you are usually preffering to stack gear with +hp than +sta. You can make an argument based on playstyle as well. If you are the type to solo by killing stuff then afk medding, WIS is prolly where you want to be.

To be honest the impact is so small I wouldn't even worry about it. My rogue has most of his points in agi and dex b/c I didn't remember shit after coming back to the game after 11 years.

As to other posts:
How is barbarian even in the running? They get no useful racial perk. Regen and stun immunity trump all starting stats.

Iksars get regen bonus and AC bonus. Velious mitigates the no plate penalty that exists in current content. Losing out on JBB is the big thing as it helps tremendously from 45 to upper 50s. That said if this is your first toon you likely cannot afford one anyway at level 45.

I think Ogre is the best but I would want my shaman to be best equipped for soloing absurd things and the stun immunity helps tremendously with that.

I will actually agree that Shamans are very platinum hungry at the top levels b/c of spells. Pox, Torpor etc are very expensive. Fungi and JBB are the biggest items for shamans and they are expensive. The good news is gear for shamans is that gear doesn't really mean much until you are talking about high end stuff anyway. Also one of easiest epics.

If you dont like having to cast spells constantly in groups... you prolly just dont like playing a shaman in any situation, b/c you will also want to be casting canni constantly solo. (Edit: Little advice on this ground : /stand /cast x /cast x /pause 12 /sit)