<Empire> Vs <The Alliance> Evaluation

[red99playing]

Thanks to everyone who came and fought. These massive fights right here is what red99 is, and will be, all about for a good while to come with Velious this close. In regards to this potential, a big issue should be addressed by the server staff and red99 players, with all due respect.

FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW
4/26/15 Karnor's was recently over taken by Empire while multiple other guilds (The Alliance, for short) were attempting contest the raid spawn. The Alliance on the inside, Empire on the outside.


The issue: Trains


The first wave of Empire died en mass; the casualties on the Alliance were in the single digits until about 16 minutes in, when this happened.

http://postimg.org/image/wpjobqdrt/
and the trains only got worse.

Trains are a common occurrence in large pvp contests, especially when inside of a dungeon, most time by accident. This, however, was inarguably intentional, and turned what was a legitimate contest for a raid mob into a uphill struggle to failure for the Alliance.

The kill feed numbers (YT) for that 30-40mins is an obvious indicator of how victory was accomplished via Empire.

I am not for or opposed to training to contest camps. If server guidelines are going to make it a suspension or ban worthy offense though, either enforce the rule or remove it. Velious is not going to do anything other than exacerbate the issue of petition questing.

This event in particular should be evaluated. If a group of people are losing mass scale battles because they attempt to uphold server rules, or a group of people aren't being given a proper challenge because their opponents are needlessly hindering themselves, it would be wise to set straight the server rules in respect to the effort and soon to be efforts of all participants.

[Veltira]

Remember that time you made a brand new forum account in an effort to hide your identity? That's why we don't care.

[Colgate]

thank god i've trained my guild to zone out when they're standing next to a zoneline and there are mobs attacking them

this is an advanced PvP tactic; i don't expect anyone else on the server to know of this

[Rednaros]

Trains were the least of the problems, try having 100 people zone in at once and instantly desync/ go LD in mass pvp. In the corner of right moat there was literally 40 bodies in the same area, it was completely unplayable.

[Zalaerian]

Gotta watch them pets u know? Fear is mother :)

[red99playing]

Trains were the least of the problems, try having 100 people zone in at once and instantly desync/ go LD in mass pvp. In the corner of right moat there was literally 40 bodies in the same area, it was completely unplayable.

Thank you for being the first to address the topic.

Trains were not a non-factor, and in fact were compounded into a fatal concoction for many players when mixed with the connection issues.

Now with that taken into account; the foothold of the alliance was inside with the trains/connection issues. where as the Empire's was outside.

Who do you think would suffer more?

But beyond the issues of who came out on top, the point to discuss is whether or not training should be made legal

[red99playing]

Also, Could the forum moderator stop screening my posts.

I am just new to the server. You know who I am and I am obviously not here to flame. just discuss a point

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

I have this weird feeling that if the resistance had done any training we would have ate several suspensions. That was why we cleared all the mobs in the front half of kc before the fight started.

[Luniz]

looks photoshopped

[Uuruk]

Thanks to everyone who came and fought. These massive fights right here is what red99 is, and will be, all about for a good while to come with Velious this close. In regards to this potential, a big issue should be addressed by the server staff and red99 players, with all due respect.

FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW
4/26/15 Karnor's was recently over taken by Empire while multiple other guilds (The Alliance, for short) were attempting contest the raid spawn. The Alliance on the inside, Empire on the outside.


The issue: Trains


The first wave of Empire died en mass; the casualties on the Alliance were in the single digits until about 16 minutes in, when this happened.

http://postimg.org/image/wpjobqdrt/
and the trains only got worse.

Trains are a common occurrence in large pvp contests, especially when inside of a dungeon, most time by accident. This, however, was inarguably intentional, and turned what was a legitimate contest for a raid mob into a uphill struggle to failure for the Alliance.

The kill feed numbers (YT) for that 30-40mins is an obvious indicator of how victory was accomplished via Empire.

I am not for or opposed to training to contest camps. If server guidelines are going to make it a suspension or ban worthy offense though, either enforce the rule or remove it. Velious is not going to do anything other than exacerbate the issue of petition questing.

This event in particular should be evaluated. If a group of people are losing mass scale battles because they attempt to uphold server rules, or a group of people aren't being given a proper challenge because their opponents are needlessly hindering themselves, it would be wise to set straight the server rules in respect to the effort and soon to be efforts of all participants.

http://www.newbornbabyzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/babies-cry.jpg

[Uuruk]

Trying to remember the last time i saw Gore at druid rings. I'd hate to think someone blaytenly trained her.

[Genedin]

I saw several resistance forces retreating into the back of the castle in order to try and shake a melee train. I chased a rogue and a paladin into the Verix room. I followed a halfing druid to the steps of the left courtyard until I called off the chase.

If you have pics or video of someone in empire doing it you should post it, otherwise how can you blame one side over the other?

[dontbanpls]

Those are posted, just not in this part of the forum.

[red99playing]

All the trolling / ad hominem aside, should we just make trains outside of the realm of punishment or not?

[Salaryman]

Nice pic of me running, but you didnt catch the pointy part of my shoes, which is the best part of my shoes.

[derpcake]

OP is a veteran, posting under his real name, taking a stand against

nm op anon bush twig bush

[red99playing]

OP is a veteran, posting under his real name, taking a stand against

nm op anon bush twig bush

I am not taking a stand against anything. Just trying to develop a dialog about whether or not training should be a punishable offense.

What is your take on the matter?

[Dacuk]

blaytenly

[Madbad]

http://i.imgur.com/Izcd7sm.jpg?1

[Veltira]

Trying to remember the last time i saw Gore at druid rings. I'd hate to think someone blaytenly trained her.

Haha, I see what you did there

[Rushmore]

thank god i've trained my guild to zone out when they're standing next to a zoneline and there are mobs attacking them

this is an advanced PvP tactic; i don't expect anyone else on the server to know of this

Trains happened! with 85 and 50 more sitting in TS you could win the old fashion way! Nice job either way! ;)

[dontbanpls]

I'm guessing we probably did it with our mind powers from inside KC ? lol

[krazyGlue]

Funny how you guys complain about trains in KC.

How did this end up at druid rings hmmmmmmmmmmm?

http://wiki.project1999.com/images/Npc_gorenaire.png

That looks like it's in the valley between the tunnel and kc to me . I don't see a Druid ring

[iruinedyourday]

I'm guessing we probably did it with our mind powers from inside KC ? lol

out of 128 people, surely 1 of them could have been up to mischief..

to be 100% honest, a chaotic train in KC while 213 ppl pvp, is going to happen. If you are talking about all the agroable mobs in the zone, running around agroing everything and switching agro because people are dying.

Gore to the DL rings is a lot less, naturally going to happen.

Personally I'm sure it wasn't a <fresh> call to train gore, surely any of you were as excited those minuets leading up to the battle as anyone else on either side.

no doubt it was just some Empire hater, which is honestly fine. Nobody cared, we lost 2 and went back to business like it wasn't anything cus Empire is really good at EQ.

It was fun the only sad bit was that initial desync which quickly turned back into a great pvp battle anyway.

gg pras clicking on sit buttons.

[Slathar]

pras to the brave soul who trained gore on empire




hilarious

[Jimmybones]

5 mobs with 200 people lol

[syzygyst]

5 mobs with 200 people lol

mad

[Luniz]

http://i.imgur.com/anWI9w6.png

[Doors]

I think it's blaytenly obvious someone trained gore.

[Vanquisher]

out of 128 people, surely 1 of them could have been up to mischief..

to be 100% honest, a chaotic train in KC while 213 ppl pvp, is going to happen. If you are talking about all the agroable mobs in the zone, running around agroing everything and switching agro because people are dying.

Gore to the DL rings is a lot less, naturally going to happen.

Personally I'm sure it wasn't a <fresh> call to train gore, surely any of you were as excited those minuets leading up to the battle as anyone else on either side.

no doubt it was just some Empire hater, which is honestly fine. Nobody cared, we lost 2 and went back to business like it wasn't anything cus Empire is really good at EQ.

It was fun the only sad bit was that initial desync which quickly turned back into a great pvp battle anyway.

gg pras clicking on sit buttons.

bluebie number 102 coming to red joining zerg talkin shit say what?

[Nirgon]

mad

who is this guy, i love this crazy fuck

[syzygyst]

who is this guy, i love this crazy fuck

Crazy like a muthafukkin fox y0.

[red99playing]

I have noticed an interesting phenomena on this forum.

If I do not respond to personal attacks, make personal attacks, or fail to spell correctly, I am invisible. in fact this statement will probably be ignore until after people read their own names.

with that in mind:

Veltira
Colgate
Rednaros
Zalaerian
Sweetbaby Jesus
Luniz
Uuruk
Genedin
dontbanpls
Salaryman
derpcake
Dacuk
Madbad
Rushmore
klepto
krazyGlue
iruinedyourday
Slathar
Jimmybones
syzygyst
Doors
Vanquisher
Nirgon

Your all dum.

Do you think we should keep training a punishable offense?

[jeffd]

pras to the brave soul who trained gore on empire




hilarious

:cool:

[dontbanpls]

Do or don't. Be consistent whatever the decision is. That has always been what I have seen as the issue the server faces. I'm hoping holocaust gets suspended from KC for a week, as was the ruling given the last time they faced a train related punishment. I'm afraid that one player is being used as a scape goat and taking all of the heat however. As if that cleric bounced itself up to the super block?

[Nirgon]

You had 40 more people than us and we're the zerg got ya

[syzygyst]

I concur. it behooves us all to have a modicum of consistency here. What's good for the goose is good for the gander wot? I do also think LNS ad pnp need to go, add item loot and this will be something truly red and fucking exciting to play.
As far as being dum, spell it right before calling me dumb ;)
I consider myself to be an iconoclast, so when I see something worthy of ridicule, I go all jackanapes. I would suggest though, that if my badinage offends, kindly pass over my posts or put me on ignore.

[Uuruk]

I have noticed an interesting phenomena on this forum.

If I do not respond to personal attacks, make personal attacks, or fail to spell correctly, I am invisible. in fact this statement will probably be ignore until after people read their own names.

with that in mind:

Veltira
Colgate
Rednaros
Zalaerian
Sweetbaby Jesus
Luniz
Uuruk
Genedin
dontbanpls
Salaryman
derpcake
Dacuk
Madbad
Rushmore
klepto
krazyGlue
iruinedyourday
Slathar
Jimmybones
syzygyst
Doors
Vanquisher
Nirgon

Your all dum.

Do you think we should keep training a punishable offense?

[red99playing]

@Uuruk

Hahahahahahaha

anyways,


Your thought on trains being a punishable offense?

[iruinedyourday]

Do or don't. Be consistent whatever the decision is. That has always been what I have seen as the issue the server faces. I'm hoping holocaust gets suspended from KC for a week, as was the ruling given the last time they faced a train related punishment. I'm afraid that one player is being used as a scape goat and taking all of the heat however. As if that cleric bounced itself up to the super block?

ok fresh banned from DL for a week, fair.

[Slowride]

All Cry babies all of you.

Stop the petition quest and fucking train back.

Ya need to leave the fucking GMS out of this shit and be adults.

[red99playing]

All Cry babies all of you.

Stop the petition quest and fucking train back.

Ya need to leave the fucking GMS out of this shit and be adults.

A straightish answer, 1 in favor of trains not being punishable. I think.

[Crazycloud]

All Cry babies all of you.

Stop the petition quest and fucking train back.

Ya need to leave the fucking GMS out of this shit and be adults.

Seriously,

YOU did not have GMs holding your hand on live 24 7.

That fact that there were 200 + people in the zone, mobs are GOING TO AGRO LOL. I've seen mobs get agro'd in 30vs30 pvp why wouldn't it in a zone with 200 people?

People cry all day.

[Samsung]

Seriously,

YOU did not have GMs holding your hand on live 24 7.

That fact that there were 200 + people in the zone, mobs are GOING TO AGRO LOL. I've seen mobs get agro'd in 30vs30 pvp why wouldn't it in a zone with 200 people?

People cry all day.

Mobs r going to aggro guys don't mind those 5 hands at the zone line and those knights in vs room lawl

[Crazycloud]

Mobs r going to aggro guys don't mind those 5 hands at the zone line and those knights in vs room lawl

You still don't get it. ITS GOING TO HAPPEN, some idiot is going to run into random shit and bring it. Weather its Empire, Friends, Azrael, Fresh, or just some random in the crowd. Learn to adapt and deal with it.

It happened on live why wouldn't it happen here? If you petitioned that mobs came to a zoneline when there were 200 people in the zone you would get laughed at on live. Stop crying and wasting GMs time on bullshit like this. Gore landed on my guild in DL, fuck it, who cares, you will always have some idiot doing something like this.

The real focus and talk/energy should be towards getting desync fixed.

[Slathar]

You still don't get it. ITS GOING TO HAPPEN, some idiot is going to run into random shit and bring it. Weather its Empire, Friends, Azrael, Fresh, or just some random in the crowd. Learn to adapt and deal with it.

It happened on live why wouldn't it happen here? If you petitioned that mobs came to a zoneline when there were 200 people in the zone you would get laughed at on live. Stop crying and wasting GMs time on bullshit like this. Gore landed on my guild in DL, fuck it, who cares, you will always have some idiot doing something like this.

The real focus and talk/energy should be towards getting desync fixed.

[red99playing]

@ Crazycloud / Slathar

Should I mark you guys down for not punishable then?

[Troubled]

Make sure to submit all your fraps that hides 1 side from training but shows the other. Spend a lot of time on it. Build your case. You think this is a fucking game? Get serious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmXumtgwtak&t=0m33s

[Stasis01]

Slathar loses again - I'd fist pump the air and scream victory except I know Slathar likes his wife to put on a strap on and fuck him in the ass and he loves to take it in all aspects of his life.

[Smedy]

Remember that time you made a brand new forum account in an effort to hide your identity? That's why we don't care.

join date jan 2015 <empire> thank you for your input you valuable red99 warmbody

[jeffd]

If you petitioned that mobs came to a zoneline when there were 200 people in the zone you would get laughed at on live. Stop crying and wasting GMs time on bullshit like this. Gore landed on my guild in DL, fuck it, who cares, you will always have some idiot doing something like this.

The real focus and talk/energy should be towards getting desync fixed.

:o

[Veltira]

join date jan 2015 <empire> thank you for your input you valuable red99 warmbody

Man you got me! Shots fired!

http://media.giphy.com/media/4cz3D8Yhyzcg8/giphy.gif

[Slathar]

Slathar loses again - I'd fist pump the air and scream victory except I know Slathar likes his wife to put on a strap on and fuck him in the ass and he loves to take it in all aspects of his life.

[Karok]

I'm new here but I would vote no on trains, would end with people waiting for you to pull the boss and then dropping the zone on you.