When does hybrid xp penalty get removed?

[paladin1118]

I heard it's supposed to happen with Velious but not sure if that means right when they release it or if they're following a timeline for it.

[Oleris]

3-4 months.

[Rhinz2003]

3-4 months.

3-4 months from now, or after Velious is released?

[Swish]

Not on opening night of Velious, it's patched in later (if classic).

Going to be a lot of disappointed iksar SKs noticing it's still slow for them to start with :(

[Thulack]

Thank god we have such non-classic things as spell casting mechanics for... years, but retain such amazing classic mechanics that the developers admitted were stupid as hell once the population figured out class penalties existed and complained about the absolutely dipshit idea.

Consistency, it's the name of the game here at P99!

Feel free to make your own server and do what you want on it ;)

[Lorian]

If Velious is actually launched in August, then the xp penalties would not dissapear until Christmas? That is very far away!! :(

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

All this complaining about exp penalty. What's the rush? Did the doctors only give you 6 months to live and your make-a-wish dream was to lvl an iksar sk to 60?

This server is not going anywhere.

People need to chill. This is not an actual commercial game that will keep releasing xpacs for $$ flow even if they break the game. This is a hobbyist server.

Ever see people who collect model trains? They sit for days watching a train go back and forth, pleased as punch. Keep that image in your mind, because that is p99, too.

[Plaidpants]

All this complaining about exp penalty. What's the rush? Did the doctors only give you 6 months to live and your make-a-wish dream was to lvl an iksar sk to 60?

This server is not going anywhere.

People need to chill. This is not an actual commercial game that will keep releasing xpacs for $$ flow even if they break the game. This is a hobbyist server.

Ever see people who collect model trains? They sit for days watching a train go back and forth, pleased as punch. Keep that image in your mind, because that is p99, too.

Not everyone plays the game the same as you.

[toolshed]

The xp penalty is doing you the best favor you could ever ask for: stalling until the awful endgame in P99. Cherish the level up as much as you can because it gets awful once you are maxed level

[Raev]

All this complaining about exp penalty. What's the rush? Did the doctors only give you 6 months to live and your make-a-wish dream was to lvl an iksar sk to 60?

The problem is finding a group on a hybrid is an exercise in frustration. My *bard* has trouble getting groups; I can only imagine what its like for a Ranger or Paladin.

[Swish]

Got a 53 SK who has a terrible time in KC finding groups, and people slip away when you try to get something started that's a bit unorthodox.

[Plaidpants]

The xp penalty is doing you the best favor you could ever ask for: stalling until the awful endgame in P99. Cherish the level up as much as you can because it gets awful once you are maxed level

Like I said - we all play the game a different way and for different reasons - I have no interest in end game and likely never will - but I also have no interest in burning out due to the harsh exp penalty (in a game that is already extremely time consuming) when I have limited time and several other games I actively play.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Yeah. The grp thing.

How many times does the actual mechanics of grp exp penalties need to be explained before people realize, the penalty works out the same way as if you were playing with a higher level grp member, so if one is truly concerned about maxing exp rate, you should not only ask what class, but also what level.

In a sense it is good people don't understand how the group penalties work. If they did, more people would be trying to make that perfect group where everyone else in the group is -2 level than they are, and are all halflings. Or some other such perfect personal max exp setup.

[Swish]

Why oh why can I never get...

1x Halfling warrior
1x Halfling cleric
4x Halfling rogues

...and all the same level as me? I mean COME ON guys! ;)

[Dulu]

I'm just curious, but what exactly was the rationale, if there ever was one, as to why the XP penalty was implemented on certain classes?

Casters.. 10% Flat xp penalty? Why? Don't they kinda have it hard-enough with having to sit on the ground 85% of the time, pay for spells, find said spells, etc?

I understand the racial penalties, but I think those could have been handled better too. Instead of terrible XP penalties, maybe just further reduce their dexterity and agility. Seems pretty straightforward, but I've never understood the XP penalty system.

[Melias]

Casters.. 10% Flat xp penalty? Why? Don't they kinda have it hard-enough with having to sit on the ground 85% of the time, pay for spells, find said spells, etc?


At least that makes sense when you take into consideration the power of mage/necro pets, enchanter's charm/mana regen, and the fact wizards can kill most mobs before they get more than a few whacks on 'em.

Hybrid viability wasn't that great until Luclin and later when they started getting good unique spells and when spells unlocked started getting rejiggered.

[paladin1118]

Not on opening night of Velious, it's patched in later (if classic).

Going to be a lot of disappointed iksar SKs noticing it's still slow for them to start with :(


Thanks for the answer.

[webrunner5]

With the track record on here in the past I would not hold your breath that even at Christmas time it will be lifted. I would be amazed if it happens on the real timeline.

I doubt it will be "Classic". :p

[Swish]

With the track record on here in the past I would not hold your breath that even at Christmas time it will be lifted. I would be amazed if it happens on the real timeline.

I doubt it will be "Classic". :p

Whenever it gets patched in there'll be a lot of chat about and probably a ton of iksar SKs in Field of Bone... if that's any hint ;)

[Plaidpants]

With the track record on here in the past I would not hold your breath that even at Christmas time it will be lifted. I would be amazed if it happens on the real timeline.

I doubt it will be "Classic". :p

Yeah - it really makes no sense to wait the additional 2 months or whatever it is. I can somewhat understand waiting until Velious - but trying to stick to the timeline when you're already several years off said timeline is just pretty much pointless if its ready to be implemented when the expansion releases.

[curtischoy]

All this complaining about exp penalty. What's the rush? Did the doctors only give you 6 months to live and your make-a-wish dream was to lvl an iksar sk to 60?

HA!

[BulletCatcher]

Yeah - it really makes no sense to wait the additional 2 months or whatever it is. I can somewhat understand waiting until Velious - but trying to stick to the timeline when you're already several years off said timeline is just pretty much pointless if its ready to be implemented when the expansion releases.

How is your custom private server going?

[YendorLootmonkey]

I'm just curious, but what exactly was the rationale, if there ever was one, as to why the XP penalty was implemented on certain classes?

Casters.. 10% Flat xp penalty? Why? Don't they kinda have it hard-enough with having to sit on the ground 85% of the time, pay for spells, find said spells, etc?

I understand the racial penalties, but I think those could have been handled better too. Instead of terrible XP penalties, maybe just further reduce their dexterity and agility. Seems pretty straightforward, but I've never understood the XP penalty system.

The hybrid classes written up in design documents or conceived in the heads of the devs originally were supposed to have a much larger advantage than they ended up having in practice, especially after Kunark was released.

[Monty405]

Did the doctors only give you 6 months to live and your make-a-wish dream was to lvl an iksar sk to 60?


How do you know so much about my life?

[webrunner5]

How do you know so much about my life?

I hope the Doctors gave you more like a year to live. 6 Months is pushing it for a Ikky SK to 60! :eek: I have had mine for 5 years and it still is not 60 lol.

[Lady Julae]

Not everyone plays the game the same as you.

That said, not everyone can play P99 the way it is meant to be played. :)

[Plaidpants]

How is your custom private server going?

Dumb reply is dumb.

It doesn't make sense - and it perfectly ok to point that out. The timeline isn't classic or remotely close (and their reasoning for not implementing it at launch is driven by a classic timeline goal) and I don't see how anyone could begin to debate that.

[Swish]

Dumb reply is dumb.

It doesn't make sense - and it perfectly ok to point that out. The timeline isn't classic or remotely close (and their reasoning for not implementing it at launch is driven by a classic timeline goal) and I don't see how anyone could begin to debate that.

How much time have you put in on the beta?

[Plaidpants]

How much time have you put in on the beta?

They mentioned that this change is ready to be implemented. It isn't being delayed months into the release due to not getting around to it.

What's your point? How much have you donated?

[Swish]

They mentioned that this change is ready to be implemented. It isn't being delayed months into the release due to not getting around to it.

What's your point? How much have you donated?

My point is the people who are screaming for Velious are often loaded with excuses as to why they can't beta test. When the beta server was announced everyone effectively went quiet... because rather than whining about wanting Velious they could now beta test.

Guess how many did? Not many outside of guild events. Now suddenly because it's pushed back to August that sense of entitlement is creeping back again. I've donated to the server but I fail to see how that's relevant.

If you can't and won't wait til August, head to Kegz and chums on Epicemu - where there's apparently still a bunch of broken quests, mobs walking around that shouldn't be in Velious and etc etc. Your posts would be subject to much tighter moderation there though so bear that in mind before you start firing shots.

[Plaidpants]

My point is the people who are screaming for Velious are often loaded with excuses as to why they can't beta test. When the beta server was announced everyone effectively went quiet... because rather than whining about wanting Velious they could now beta test.

Guess how many did? Not many outside of guild events. Now suddenly because it's pushed back to August that sense of entitlement is creeping back again. I've donated to the server but I fail to see how that's relevant.

If you can't and won't wait til August, head to Kegz and chums on Epicemu - where there's apparently still a bunch of broken quests, mobs walking around that shouldn't be in Velious and etc etc. Your posts would be subject to much tighter moderation there though so bear that in mind before you start firing shots.

I honestly don't care if Velious is released tomorrow or in 2 years. I'm as casual of a player as you can find so you're very mistaken. I will likely never experience any Velious content and could never offer any benefit by beta testing (thus donating is my only way to contribute).

My point was that the timeline here is anything but classic (and that's fine and perfectly understandable) - so its seemingly unnecessary to push this out 2 additional months for no other reason than to be "classic" when you're 3+ years behind "classic" (this is assuming that the penalty is ready to be removed at any time as they stated in their announcement stream I believe). As many have stated - the penalty was one of the more stupid things Everquest ever had - and it has unfortunately prevented several of my friends from playing the game more than about a week due to their affinity for paladins/rangers.

[BulletCatcher]

nDumb reply is dumb.

It doesn't make sense - and it perfectly ok to point that out. The timeline isn't classic or remotely close (and their reasoning for not implementing it at launch is driven by a classic timeline goal) and I don't see how anyone could begin to debate that.

Yea... those mother fucking P99 devs getting paid all their phat stacks of cash from our, the communities payments and donations... and they want to release the updates in accordance with their own schedule.

HOW DARE THEY!!!

You have opened my eyes PlaidPants... you truly have... :|

If this were come crazy alternate universe where the Devs DIDN'T get paid, then your argument might not hold much water. But since these guys get paid, then... wait what??? excuse, a gnome is here.... "Yes... hmmmHhhmmm, I see..." PlaidPants... i've got some bad news friend.


And also. Its a private server. I know, I know... you've read that time and time again... But you still don't seem to get it.

[Plaidpants]

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Yea... those mother fucking P99 devs getting paid all their phat stacks of cash from our, the communities payments and donations... and they want to release the updates in accordance with their own schedule.

HOW DARE THEY!!!

You have opened my eyes PlaidPants... you truly have... :|

If this were come crazy alternate universe where the Devs DIDN'T get paid, then your argument might not hold much water. But since these guys get paid, then... wait what??? excuse, a gnome is here.... "Yes... hmmmHhhmmm, I see..." PlaidPants... i've got some bad news friend.


And also. Its a private server. I know, I know... you've read that time and time again... But you still don't seem to get it.

Do you even English?

[Doragoon]

I fail to see how BulletCatcher and Swish are unable to see that Plaidpants is not attacking the Devs, not attacking the server, nor being truly critical with regard to the staff or setup by asking a simple question. It was stated that the exp penalty being removed is ready to go, but they wish to hold it off until 2-3 months post velious release to keep true to classic. That being said, he is simply questioning why something like this should be held off to remain classic when there are several examples of things being implemented and timelines followed that were not classic. I feel it is a valid question and is in no way demeaning to the staff or server. What is demeaning to the server is getting offended by the fact that someone brings up a valid point about something that is not logically sound. Do I care either way about penalties being removed? No I do not. But I don't see why Plaidpants should be subject to ridicule for making a valid point. lol :-P

[Catashe]

If Velious is actually launched in August, then the xp penalties would not dissapear until Christmas? That is very far away!! :(

I hope it wouldn't be that long.. On Live.. Velious launched in December and they announced in the following Jan that they were removing the penalties... So what 2 or 3 months? If that? So if they follow the timeline... October? Sure its a long time but at least it will finally get removed..

By the looks of the old patch notes, the penalties got removed on Jan 17th 2001 and Velious Launched on Dec 6th 2000... So thats what? 42 days after Velious launch?

[BulletCatcher]

its the apparent entitlement attitude that Plaid believes his ideas are the best and should be implemented. The current state of things doesn't meet his / her wants. Plaid doesn't seem to understand this aint about him/her. Its about the community as a whole.

Parent's are supposed to tell teach their kids to not be entitled unappreciative little pricks. The devs here at P99 have put in great amounts of time and energy for P99 to be successful, and it is. THen some prick walks in with his initially humble sounding suggestion, but then it becomes a little more rude and entitled with each reply. Things are they way they for a reason. P99 wasn't waiting for some great developer foretold in the original text files of P99 day zero.

P99 will release what it wants when it wants. Be happy that P99 exists. All other EMU servers seem to be bot havens, solo play, and all around ezMode.

[Plaidpants]

its the apparent entitlement attitude that Plaid believes his ideas are the best and should be implemented. The current state of things doesn't meet his / her wants. Plaid doesn't seem to understand this aint about him/her. Its about the community as a whole.

Parent's are supposed to tell teach their kids to not be entitled unappreciative little pricks. The devs here at P99 have put in great amounts of time and energy for P99 to be successful, and it is. THen some prick walks in with his initially humble sounding suggestion, but then it becomes a little more rude and entitled with each reply. Things are they way they for a reason. P99 wasn't waiting for some great developer foretold in the original text files of P99 day zero.

P99 will release what it wants when it wants. Be happy that P99 exists. All other EMU servers seem to be bot havens, solo play, and all around ezMode.

Actually - the only asshat in this thread has been you. Did I ever say I wasn't appreciative? Just because I didn't get on my knees and begin to suck cock in my post doesn't mean I'm entitled and don't enjoy the server. Maybe I should preface every post on this forum with something along the lines of "All hail Nilbog - Please have my babies. You are the alpha and omega. I pledge my life to you". Would that suffice or would I need to do more to the please the sheep on here?

But apparently - by pointing out something that is very much true - I have been come an entitled prick who hates the P99 community, devs and creator.

Now - run along and unrustle your jimmies.

[BulletCatcher]

All hail Nilbog - Please have my babies and you can do no wrong. I pledge my life to you.

Now you get it.

[curtischoy]

imo they are holding back on the hybrid exp penalty removal and what ever other updates because this is something in the timeline that they can keep classic. Yes, of course the timeline now is not what it was, but they weren't able to release Velious in that time frame. They are controlling what they can control.

[Whirled]

27 Ranger LFG
what? too soon?

[Plaidpants]

imo they are holding back on the hybrid exp penalty removal and what ever other updates because this is something in the timeline that they can keep classic. Yes, of course the timeline now is not what it was, but they weren't able to release Velious in that time frame. They are controlling what they can control.

Right - that's exactly what I assume the approach is.