extremist muslims get lit up in texas

[jarshale]

not sure why they thought it was a good idea to try a shoot out down here

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/03/us/mohammed-drawing-contest-shooting/

#dontmesswithtexas

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Lol noice!

[Big_Japan]

should have deathmatched more before they tried to play competitive

[Estolcles]

Never thought I'd be praising Texas over something... but there ya go.

[Nazareth73]

Well there is a sure fire way to lure the extremists out. have more art contests and Muslim shooting parties. when you smell the patchouli they are getting close, lock 'n load!

[Estolcles]

God Blessed Texas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbH60wCO-Yw)

[Swish]

pras, USA USA USA

[11bangbang]

ol haji bob should have brought his bard
http://i.imgur.com/OGAoRrP.jpg

[SamwiseRed]

USA USA

[Samoht]

Well there is a sure fire way to lure the extremists out. have more art contests and Muslim shooting parties. when you smell the patchouli they are getting close, lock 'n load!

this almost seems like entrapment. i wouldn't be surprised to see more copycat events spring up with the sole purpose of baiting more extremists to attack.

now i in no way support violence to retaliate against cartoons, but i can see this going too far. at some point, the extremists are going to show up with more men, more guns, and/or just plain old blowing the building up and killing a lot of civilians.

and then what happens?

[Cecily]

and then what happens?

24 hour on the scene coverage by Fox News. Stuff like this is entertainment for our society. Just hope no one you know is involved because that would take the fun out of it.

[Thulack]

this almost seems like entrapment. i wouldn't be surprised to see more copycat events spring up with the sole purpose of baiting more extremists to attack.

now i in no way support violence to retaliate against cartoons, but i can see this going too far. at some point, the extremists are going to show up with more men, more guns, and/or just plain old blowing the building up and killing a lot of civilians.

and then what happens?

Then the government gets what it wants. WW3

[Lune]

I don't usually like anything about Texas, but I like this. Way to go Hoss

http://i.imgur.com/wffPW2W.jpg

[Swish]

lol, newspapers here are censoring the pictures so as not to cause offence to muslim readers... :rolleyes:

[Samoht]

no you morans

then the islamophobia witch-hunt really begins. the tables get turned and american extremists start killing/imprisioning muslims not for what they have done, but what they *might* do. this is not liberty. this is unamerican.

i think it's amazing that this has happened. it's just too bad that the lesson won't be learned. i would absolutely hate to see it continue to happen, though. we're not ready for the consequences. we're not ready to lose our humanity.

[Secrets]

My favorite drawings at the Muhammad cartoon festival in Texas were the two chalk outlines out front.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

24 hour on the scene coverage by Fox News. Stuff like this is entertainment for our society. Just hope no one you know is involved because that would take the fun out of it.

It is rather sickening to see how some people feed off this stuff.

And some wonder why we escape into an elf simulator......

[Barkingturtle]

Je suis
Chuck Norris

[Champion_Standing]

this almost seems like entrapment. i wouldn't be surprised to see more copycat events spring up with the sole purpose of baiting more extremists to attack.

now i in no way support violence to retaliate against cartoons, but i can see this going too far. at some point, the extremists are going to show up with more men, more guns, and/or just plain old blowing the building up and killing a lot of civilians.

and then what happens?

So basically living your life as a non Muslim should be a crime because on any given day you after likely committing more than one offense that would be deserving of death in their eyes.

[Samoht]

So basically living your life as a non Muslim should be a crime because on any given day you after likely committing more than one offense that would be deserving of death in their eyes.

what? who said anything remotely similar to that? i said that i hope people don't start hosting events like these simply to try to lure extremists to attack just to perform justifiable homicide against them.

[Swish]

Maybe 4-5 million whites should go and carve out a slice of Pakistan, declare western laws legal for the white community and see if they welcome us the same way.

[Champion_Standing]

what? who said anything remotely similar to that? i said that i hope people don't start hosting events like these simply to try to lure extremists to attack just to perform justifiable homicide against them.

You said that this was like entrapment. If committing acts that "Muslim extremists" find offensive enough to want to kill you is entrapment then you would simply not be able to live as a non Muslim.

[Lictor]

Local news this morning in dallas spent like 2 mins on the story then moved on to rescue cat story or some shit. Just average day in texas, nothing to see here move along.

[Swish]

Local news this morning in dallas spent like 2 mins on the story then moved on to rescue cat story or some shit. Just average day in texas, nothing to see here move along.

Cat in tree is bigger news, and gives a nice community feel <3

[Ravager]

Cat in tree is bigger news, and gives a nice community feel <3

I demand to know who put that cat there and why.

[Orruar]

this almost seems like entrapment.

Except that:
1) Non-LEO can't be guilty of entrapment. It's a crime that is restricted to members of law enforcement.
2) Entrapment is defined as a LEO engaging in illegal activity to lure/trick others. Showing cartoons is not illegal in a civilized world.

So yeah, it almost seems like entrapment, except that it isn't anywhere close to entrapment.

[Samoht]

oh, okay. there wasn't law enforcement there ready to kill the extremists

except there were.

[Man0warr]

If police weren't there one of the millions of registered gun holders in Texas would have done it.

[jarshale]

What the fuck who added the word extremist to my thread title?

[Champion_Standing]

oh, okay. there wasn't law enforcement there ready to kill the extremists

except there were.

Stop being an idiot

Rnf is for high thinking and philosophy now gtfo

[Samoht]

If police weren't there one of the millions of registered gun holders in Texas would have done it.

but that's not how it went down, and the idiot insisting that only LEO can meet the legal description of entrapment doesn't seem to be aware that it was in fact LEO that carried out the justifiable homicide

[jarshale]

oh, okay. there wasn't law enforcement there ready to kill the extremists

except there were.

So basically you think any event that has security and also might offend people is legally considered entrapment?

[Samoht]

So basically you think any event that has security and also might offend people is legally considered entrapment?

i don't think you've actually read any of the articles, so you don't seem to be aware that it was a police officer who killed the men.

[Pokesan]

thank you samoht. i got a good laugh out of how dumb you are.

[jarshale]

i don't think you've actually read any of the articles, so you don't seem to be aware that it was a police officer who killed the men.

Does it matter who put them down if the 2 terrorists opened fire first?

[Samoht]

Does it matter who put them down if the 2 terrorists opened fire first?

you're not listening... wow

[jarshale]

you're not listening... wow

I'm trying here but nothing you've said makes any sense.

[Samoht]

or you just dont want it to make sense

[Orruar]

oh, okay. there wasn't law enforcement there ready to kill the extremists

except there were.

The police weren't the organizers of the event. They were hired as security by the event organizers. But even if you accept your rather absurd leap of logic, displaying cartoons is still legal. It's not entrapment if it's a legal activity.

[Samoht]

an anti-muslim hate group hosted an event on public property at which a police officer was forced to kill two muslims while defending civilians. i don't really care what your opinion is on free speech or cartoons. i care that other anti-muslim hate groups might attempt to copy this "success" and end up getting civilians hurt. you idiots are just falling for the sensationalized headlines and failing to see how this really affects the people in our country.

[Orruar]

i don't think you've actually read any of the articles, so you don't seem to be aware that it was a police officer who killed the men.

So if someone gets shot by a police officer at any event that "triggered" a person to violence, that event is now considered entrapment? Jesus you SJWs keep getting more and more insane. Why do you fear freedom?

[jarshale]

an anti-muslim hate group hosted an event on public property at which a police officer was forced to kill two muslims while defending civilians. i don't really care what your opinion is on free speech or cartoons. i care that other anti-muslim hate groups might attempt to copy this "success" and end up getting civilians hurt. you idiots are just falling for the sensationalized headlines and failing to see how this really affects the people in our country.

OH I get you now. Yeah the event itself wasn't the best idea. But I mean it's Texas so what can you do.

[Orruar]

an anti-muslim hate group hosted an event on public property at which a police officer was forced to kill two muslims while defending civilians. i don't really care what your opinion is on free speech or cartoons. i care that other anti-muslim hate groups might attempt to copy this "success" and end up getting civilians hurt. you idiots are just falling for the sensationalized headlines and failing to see how this really affects the people in our country.

Anyone who attends such an event knows full well the risk they are running. Some of us simply accept this risk as part of being in a free society. You'd prefer 100% safety even if it meant living in a cage. Hope you enjoy that.

[Samoht]

So if someone gets shot by a police officer at any event that "triggered" a person to violence, that event is now considered entrapment?

are you purposefully using my words out of context to just attack a random person on the internet to make you feel better about your own miserable life (p99 forum superiority complex)? or do you actually have something to add to this conversation?

[Samoht]

Anyone who attends such an event knows full well the risk they are running. Some of us simply accept this risk as part of being in a free society. You'd prefer 100% safety even if it meant living in a cage. Hope you enjoy that.

you can't even comprehend what the next step is from here, can you?

[Orruar]

you can't even comprehend what the next step is from here, can you?

Given that you seem to think this event was akin to entrapment, clearly you think it should be made illegal. Of course, that kind of runs counter to the whole notion of freedom of speech. So why don't you edify us. What is your solution that doesn't involve throwing away some of our most cherished rights?

[Glenzig]

I'm thinking due to the nature of the event, and the fact that it was Texas, that they were hoping on getting some Muslims riled up. Probably even hoping that something like this would happen. However horrible the idea was though, and regardless of whether or not you find it offensive, you could always just decide to let idiots do what idiots are going to do and not go down there and try to shoot them.

[Samoht]

Given that you seem to think this event was akin to entrapment, clearly you think it should be made illegal.

yeah, you're still arguing a tangent that has nothing to do with what i said.

[Orruar]

are you purposefully using my words out of context to just attack a random person on the internet to make you feel better about your own miserable life (p99 forum superiority complex)? or do you actually have something to add to this conversation?

lol, what context am I leaving out? You very clearly stated you thought this was akin to entrapment, and that just the presence of a police officer at the event which was run by private individuals unconnected with LE still meant LE was engaged in the entrapment. And you still haven't answered how this passes the entrapment requirement that the activity being engaged in (in this case showing cartoons) is illegal. You'll completely ignore this point though since you have absolutely no way to argue it. So just admit this isn't entrapment already.

As for the personal shit in there about p99 forum superiority complex, you're arguing the same as me. So if you really believe all that shit, it really just indicates how you feel about yourself. You should probably consider what you're doing with your life if you feel that way.

[Orruar]

Given that you seem to think this event was akin to entrapment

yeah, you're still arguing a tangent that has nothing to do with what i said.

this almost seems like entrapment

Anyway, please tell us what you think the next step should be. My mind apparently cannot comprehend the next step here, so here's a chance for you to share information with the less informed, which is one of the most noble of acts and precisely why the internet is so wonderful.

[Samoht]

I'm thinking due to the nature of the event, and the fact that it was Texas, that they were hoping on getting some Muslims riled up. Probably even hoping that something like this would happen. However horrible the idea was though, and regardless of whether or not you find it offensive, you could always just decide to let idiots do what idiots are going to do and not go down there and try to shoot them.

i agree that these men (the extremists) did not use their best judgement. they almost seemed like they were prepared with ARs and body armor, and how a single patrol officer took both of them out with nothing but a side arm screams that they just weren't trained well enough to carry out such an attack. but it's just going to escalate from here if hate groups continue to organize these kinds of rallies. next time, they will be trained. we can only hope that there are no civilian casualties.

as far as the first amendment is concerned, it only guarantees the right to peaceably assemble. if you're a hate group that's organizing rallies with the hopes that extremists will show up to fight, you are not protected by the first amendment. we need to stop issuing them permits and stop them from holding their rallies on public property.

the line that has to be drawn is that are we doing this as a free speech demonstration or is this an anti-muslim demonstration. this could easily spiral out of control with more and more anti-muslim rallies being held knowing that some extremists cannot peacefully accept that. if we continue to have them, what happens when foreign fighters trained in guerrilla warfare start appearing to actively combat them?

i do not have any problem with the way this played out. the loss of life is always tragic, but the decision had to be made to save civilian lives. i would support it every time. i just don't want to see it unnecessarily costing civilian lives just to bait out a few extremists that would have otherwise kept quiet and kept to themselves.

[Samoht]

And you still haven't answered how this passes the entrapment requirement that the activity being engaged in (in this case showing cartoons) is illegal. You'll completely ignore this point though since you have absolutely no way to argue it. So just admit this isn't entrapment already.

the activity that they were enticed to commit wasn't showing cartoons, you'll find that the civilians were the ones doing that, not the extremists. thank you. not addressing this tangent any more.

[Champion_Standing]

an anti-muslim hate group hosted an event on public property at which a police officer was forced to kill two muslims while defending civilians. i don't really care what your opinion is on free speech or cartoons. i care that other anti-muslim hate groups might attempt to copy this "success" and end up getting civilians hurt. you idiots are just falling for the sensationalized headlines and failing to see how this really affects the people in our country.

Did you copy this from Huffington post or something?

We have two groups here. One that is exercising free speech in an admittedly distasteful way. Another that believes that it is their duty to murder anyone who violates the tenants of their religion.


And you are concerned about the former......

[Orruar]

the activity that they were enticed to commit wasn't showing cartoons, you'll find that the civilians were the ones doing that, not the extremists. thank you. not addressing this tangent any more.

That's not how entrapment works... If the police walk up to you and show you a cartoon and you shoot them, you weren't entrapped. The police themselves have to commit a crime in order to encourage you to commit a crime. The police were not even the ones displaying the cartoons, but granting your leap of logic that they're still involved since they were there in a security capacity, they weren't committing any crimes.

[Synthlol]

i agree that these men (the extremists) did not use their best judgement. they almost seemed like they were prepared with ARs and body armor, and how a single patrol officer took both of them out with nothing but a side arm screams that they just weren't trained well enough to carry out such an attack. but it's just going to escalate from here if hate groups continue to organize these kinds of rallies. next time, they will be trained. we can only hope that there are no civilian casualties.

as far as the first amendment is concerned, it only guarantees the right to peaceably assemble. if you're a hate group that's organizing rallies with the hopes that extremists will show up to fight, you are not protected by the first amendment. we need to stop issuing them permits and stop them from holding their rallies on public property.

the line that has to be drawn is that are we doing this as a free speech demonstration or is this an anti-muslim demonstration. this could easily spiral out of control with more and more anti-muslim rallies being held knowing that some extremists cannot peacefully accept that. if we continue to have them, what happens when foreign fighters trained in guerrilla warfare start appearing to actively combat them?

i do not have any problem with the way this played out. the loss of life is always tragic, but the decision had to be made to save civilian lives. i would support it every time. i just don't want to see it unnecessarily costing civilian lives just to bait out a few extremists that would have otherwise kept quiet and kept to themselves.

Umm, there's no rational reason to try and kill someone for drawing a cartoon.

If you do this in Texas in front of police, you get shot to death.

It's illegal to attempt murder. It's legal to draw cartoons of prophets. How is anyone in the wrong except those who showed up somewhere with solely a murderous intent. Telling these people they can't organize a cartoon-drawing event is catering to murderous extremists who believe it's acceptable to end a human life for drawing a cartoon of someone. The solution to the problem you lay out is for these kinds of people to NOT show up and try to murder everyone involved. What kind of yellow-bellied pussy are you?

[Samoht]

Did you copy this from Huffington post or something?

We have two groups here. One that is exercising free speech in an admittedly distasteful way. Another that believes that it is their duty to murder anyone who violates the tenants of their religion.


And you are concerned about the former......

no, i'm concerned about more idiots trying to copy this in order to set themselves up to commit justifiable homicide against muslims and getting civilians hurt or killed in the fall out.

[Samoht]

How is anyone in the wrong except those who showed up somewhere with solely a murderous intent.

how do you know that the rednecks who organized this event did not show up solely with murderous intent themselves?

[Samoht]

We have two groups here. One that is exercising free speech in an admittedly distasteful way.

by the way, hate speech is not always a 100% protected right.

[Glenzig]

i agree that these men (the extremists) did not use their best judgement. they almost seemed like they were prepared with ARs and body armor, and how a single patrol officer took both of them out with nothing but a side arm screams that they just weren't trained well enough to carry out such an attack. but it's just going to escalate from here if hate groups continue to organize these kinds of rallies. next time, they will be trained. we can only hope that there are no civilian casualties.

as far as the first amendment is concerned, it only guarantees the right to peaceably assemble. if you're a hate group that's organizing rallies with the hopes that extremists will show up to fight, you are not protected by the first amendment. we need to stop issuing them permits and stop them from holding their rallies on public property.

the line that has to be drawn is that are we doing this as a free speech demonstration or is this an anti-muslim demonstration. this could easily spiral out of control with more and more anti-muslim rallies being held knowing that some extremists cannot peacefully accept that. if we continue to have them, what happens when foreign fighters trained in guerrilla warfare start appearing to actively combat them?

i do not have any problem with the way this played out. the loss of life is always tragic, but the decision had to be made to save civilian lives. i would support it every time. i just don't want to see it unnecessarily costing civilian lives just to bait out a few extremists that would have otherwise kept quiet and kept to themselves.

Maybe its just me but if someone held a rally against my religious beliefs, even if it were illegal for them to do so, I would still not feel in the least bit compelled to take any violent action against them at all. Maybe legal action. Maybe.
If have the freedom to engage in religious practices, then people have the right to disagree. Even if they make fun and are distasteful. Sorry.

[Synthlol]

how a single patrol officer took both of them out with nothing but a side arm screams that they just weren't trained well enough to carry out such an attack. but it's just going to escalate from here if hate groups continue to organize these kinds of rallies. next time, they will be trained.

Stop doing something because somebody will use the threat of violence to stop you? This shit is straight un-American. You should be ashamed of yourself.

how do you know that the rednecks who organized this event did not show up solely with murderous intent themselves?

They didn't show up somewhere uninvited and unwelcome then start shooting. Being taunted doesn't give you a right to kill someone, and using murder to get your way means you deserve to die because you are a threat to the innocent. Your argument is a justification of the belief that it's right to kill people for depicting religious figures. The responsibility is those committing a crime to not commit it - stop blaming the victims.

Just FYI, making yourself out to be a dumbass isn't trolling, and being called a pussy doesn't mean you got the best of anyone.

[Samoht]

Your argument is a justification of the belief that it's right to kill people for depicting religious figures.

no it's not. you haven't been reading my posts at all if you think this is my position.

[Synthlol]

You may not support it with your beliefs, but your argument is a justification for it. You're just too unaware to realize this. Your brain needs to mature because you obviously have no understanding of the world you live in.

[bloodmuffin]

no it's not. you haven't been reading my posts at all if you think this is my position.

Your either trolling or retarded. Go back to your own fucking posts and reread them.

[Samoht]

You may not support it with your beliefs, but your argument is a justification for it.

my argument that copy cats will see this and try to set up events with the purpose of killing muslims is a justification for muslims killing them? it almost seems too poetic to be wrong :(

i honestly don't care for either side, the hate-groups or the muslims, but my position is solely that i do not wish the violence to spill over and kill civilians. if that makes me un-american, i guess the american thing to do in this situation is to spew hate speech and kill muslims. i don't know if i agree with either.

[Synthlol]

Your either trolling or retarded. Go back to your own fucking posts and reread them.

His mind is underdeveloped; he needs more time to grow into it. Making a fool out of yourself is never trolling.

[Glenzig]

His mind is underdeveloped; he needs more time to grow into it. Making a fool out of yourself is never trolling.

Has it been a while since you've visited these forums?

[bloodmuffin]

True, but for fucks sake. I just want to strangle the kid.

[Samoht]

Your either trolling or retarded. Go back to your own fucking posts and reread them.

hmm, i reread my posts and they seem clear and concise to me, but the replies are often getting derailed by people on tangents that are unable to connect the dots. but i'm the one with the underdeveloped brains according to stupidlol. if he keeps repeating it in every post, maybe he will start to believe it's true. but hey, ad hominem attacks are how you win RNF, not actually proposing valid arguments for your position.

[Synthlol]

hmm, i reread my posts and they seem clear and concise to me, but the replies are often getting derailed by people on tangents that are unable to connect the dots. but i'm the one with the underdeveloped brains according to stupidlol. if he keeps repeating it in every post, maybe he will start to believe it's true. but hey, ad hominem attacks are how you win RNF, not actually proposing valid arguments for your position.

Keep digging that hole, buddy. Let us know what you find down there.

[Cecily]

It's entirely possible that the organizers wanted this to happen. Samoht is dead on with that. It's pretty good bait and Chris Hanson level IRL trolling. A couple dead extremists is probably worth big points in anti-muslim hate circles too.

[Jay F Kay]

How about you just take a step back and focus on things that have an affect on your own life. Are you a muslim that plans on shooting up one of these mohammed cartoon conventions? Or are you someone who would attend such a thing? If the answer is no to both of those questions, why the fuck do you care?

[Samoht]

Keep digging that hole, buddy. Let us know what you find down there.

i kept digging and found solace from cecily :(

oh man

(this is playful teasing, please don't think i mean any ill-will against you, cecily)

[Samoht]

How about you just take a step back and focus on things that have an affect on your own life. Are you a muslim that plans on shooting up one of these mohammed cartoon conventions? Or are you someone who would attend such a thing? If the answer is no to both of those questions, why the fuck do you care?

civilian casualties, next question, please

[Jay F Kay]

civilian casualties, next question, please

there are over 6 billion people on this planet, we can afford to lose a few.

why the fuck do you care?

[Samoht]

pretty sure that's the same question~

[Synthlol]

It's entirely possible that the organizers wanted this to happen. Samoht is dead on with that. It's pretty good bait and Chris Hanson level IRL trolling. A couple dead extremists is probably worth big points in anti-muslim hate circles too.

If someone tries to bait you into murdering them without threatening innocent life, it is your responsibility to not murder them.

[Jay F Kay]

yet you still didn't answer it. Are you crying for every starving child in every third world country? Probably not. Yet you seem to care so much about fat americans possibly dying in some theoretical mohammed cartoon trap to lure extremists out to battle?

again, why the fuck do you care?

[jarshale]

yet you still didn't answer it. Are you crying for every starving child in every third world country? Probably not. Yet you seem to care so much about fat americans possibly dying in some theoretical mohammed cartoon trap to lure extremists out to battle?

again, why the fuck do you care?

I think this guy just empathizes with his fellow man and doesn't want people hurt. Which... I can't really hate.

[Cecily]

If someone tries to bait you into murdering them without threatening innocent life, it is your responsibility to not murder them.

And obviously the religious men with assault rifles didn't rise to the occasion. You can't impose your sense of morality on fanatics.

[Grimjaw]

thank you samoht. i got a good laugh out of how dumb you are.

[Samoht]

If someone tries to bait you into murdering them without threatening innocent life, it is your responsibility to not murder them.

that's not quite how this works. hate speech to incite imminent violence is not protected speech. honestly, i'm not concerned for either party here. darwinism, imo. i just don't want to hear about an explosion that killed innocent civilians not even affiliated with a hate group because the muslims also blew up a near-by building.

not to mention that this event took place in a school.

[Synthlol]

And obviously the religious men with assault rifles didn't rise to the occasion. You can't impose your sense of morality on fanatics.

True, but being free means you stand up for yourself, that you don't let the threat of violence control you. It's what this country was founded on. Telling these men they can't hold a convention that radicals see as grounds for a shooting spree is conceding that it's okay to go on a shooting spree over a cartoon. They are not responsible for these two men showing up with AK-47's and opening fire on innocent people. The men who showed up with AK-47's are. Being free means not being a pussy. Samoht is advocating the opposite - letting the threat of violence control your actions. Or as I like to call it, being a pussy.

[Pokesan]

This is America. We can antagonize anyone we want. Fuck you.

[Cecily]

Freedom, freedom, Murica. They instigated a situation which put innocent lives at risk, knowing full well this had a high probability of happening.

[Patriam1066]

thank you samoht. i got a good laugh out of how dumb you are.

[Synthlol]

that's not quite how this works. hate speech to incite imminent violence is not protected speech.

Muslims have zero right to impose their beliefs on non-Muslims. Doing so with the threat of violence should not be tolerated under any circumstances.

[Pokesan]

Freedom, freedom, Murica. They instigated a situation which put innocent lives at risk, knowing full well this had a high probability of happening.

High probability? Has this happened before?

[jarshale]

High probability? Has this happened before?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

[Pokesan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

Right. Was the blood of the civilians on the hands of the shooters, or the cartoonists?

[Patriam1066]

Right. Was the blood of the civilians on the hands of the shooters, or the cartoonists?

Obviously on the shooters, Cecily is just a retard

[jarshale]

Right. Was the blood of the civilians on the hands of the shooters, or the cartoonists?

shooters obv

[Cecily]

And you expect different results from doing the exact same thing 4 months later?

[jarshale]

And you expect different results from doing the exact same thing 4 months later?

Seeing as how they got a buncha of tacticool operators to secure the event, they knew damn well what was going to happen.

[Cecily]

Which is what I think. The whole thing is pretty funny, but fucking stupid and reckless too.

[Patriam1066]

And you expect different results from doing the exact same thing 4 months later?

What do you advocate? Should we convert to Islam? Abandon freedom of speech? Please enlighten me, I'd honestly love to know.

[Cecily]

Absolutely. Nuke Texas and learn German too.

[Orruar]

Freedom, freedom, Murica. They instigated a situation which put innocent lives at risk, knowing full well this had a high probability of happening.

And if we changed our ways to cater to those prone to violence, all anyone would need to do to impose their belief system on others is to become violent. I'm glad I live in a country where we stand up to violent assholes and value freedom of expression. And I'm glad I live in a country where we mock those who would rather cower in fear to irrational ideologies.

[Ezalor]

"getting the last word in mean you won the argument"

- everyone in this thread

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/168034de55c563ba18.png

[Madbad]

Did you copy this from Huffington post or something?

We have two groups here. One that is exercising free speech in an admittedly distasteful way. Another that believes that it is their duty to murder anyone who violates the tenants of their religion.


And you are concerned about the former......

[GradnerLives]

And you expect different results from doing the exact same thing 4 months later?

There were different results.

No innocent civilians died and the non-sensible violent human being count was dropped by 2.

Forest, trees, etc.

[Pokesan]

"getting the last word in mean you won the argument"

- everyone in this thread

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/168034de55c563ba18.png

Thanks for the attempted posting about posting derail, but please stay on topic.

[Patriam1066]

Absolutely. Nuke Texas and learn German too.

Ah, sounds like a good solution. Unfortunately though, there'd still be muslims killing Dutch filmmakers, yazidis, Christians, Jews.....

Might want to direct those nukes at Mecca, would be more effective

[Champion_Standing]

What the fuck who added the word extremist to my thread title?

only post that made me lol

[Cecily]

I've said my piece. I'm happy the right people got killed, but I'm not gonna wave flags with you celebrating freedom over it.

[Ezalor]

Thanks for the attempted posting about posting derail, but please stay on topic.

apologies for interrupting the fascinating discussion where the 300 lbs everquest player with cystic acne proposes a pre-emptive nuclear strike on the muslim world in response to 2 guys getting murdered

[Patriam1066]

apologies for interrupting the fascinating discussion where the 300 lbs everquest player with cystic acne proposes a pre-emptive nuclear strike on the muslim world in response to 2 guys getting murdered

LOL I was obviously responding to Cecily's joke about nuking Texas. Don't be so butt hurt pussy. Obviously I don't want to nuke Mecca, the fall out might hit Iran

[Synthlol]

And if we changed our ways to cater to those prone to violence, all anyone would need to do to impose their belief system on others is to become violent. I'm glad I live in a country where we stand up to violent assholes and value freedom of expression. And I'm glad I live in a country where we mock those who would rather cower in fear to irrational ideologies.

You're a worthless coward if you disagree with Orruar's sentiment, but the brave men and women of this country will still protect you from those who would wish take away your freedom, as the shooters in this story tried to. You will absolutely be ridiculed, though. Everyone deserves freedom, but respect is earned.

[Pokesan]

apologies for interrupting the fascinating discussion where the 300 lbs everquest player with cystic acne proposes a pre-emptive nuclear strike on the muslim world in response to 2 guys getting murdered

Apology accepted. Nobody's perfect!

[Big_Japan]

Let's repeat this in every town in the US to draw out the local savages.

[Vexr]

Maybe its just me but if someone held a rally against my religious beliefs, even if it were illegal for them to do so, I would still not feel in the least bit compelled to take any violent action against them at all. Maybe legal action. Maybe.
If have the freedom to engage in religious practices, then people have the right to disagree. Even if they make fun and are distasteful. Sorry.

I'm Muslim and I live in Dallas. I endorse this view.

I'm more inclined to take action against my fellow 'Muslims' who hurt people and give us bad PR. Newbs!

[11bangbang]

no you morans

then the islamophobia witch-hunt really begins. the tables get turned and american extremists start killing/imprisioning muslims not for what they have done, but what they *might* do. this is not liberty. this is unamerican.

i think it's amazing that this has happened. it's just too bad that the lesson won't be learned. i would absolutely hate to see it continue to happen, though. we're not ready for the consequences. we're not ready to lose our humanity.
im absolutely ready...

[11bangbang]

oh, okay. there wasn't law enforcement there ready to kill the extremists

except there were.

go be a bleeding heart sympathizer somewhere else.

[Big_Japan]

Which is what I think. The whole thing is pretty funny, but fucking stupid and reckless too.

Actually I think this is probably one of the safer ways to flush out savages who need to be culled from the herd. All voluntary participants, and armed guards are there ready to end the violence early.

Better here than in some unprotected school 6 months from now.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

apologies for interrupting the fascinating discussion where the 300 lbs everquest player with cystic acne proposes a pre-emptive nuclear strike on the muslim world in response to 2 guys getting murdered

Would make a good South Park episode tho. Maybe the forest animals could come back and stop the ICBM's right before they detonate, and come to the solemn decision that the only safe place they can be detonated is Cartman's ass?

Or has that been done?

[Lune]

Actually I think this is probably one of the safer ways to flush out savages who need to be culled from the herd. All voluntary participants, and armed guards are there ready to end the violence early.

Better here than in some unprotected school 6 months from now.

I've seen this crop up quite a bit in this thread. That wouldn't work. They'd just attack soft targets and then put out tweets / terrorist press releases saying that the attack was in response to offensive cartoons.

For example, American support for Israel and military bases in Saudi Arabia, among other things, is what pissed off Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda. They didn't sink supply ships or attack the offending US military bases, they hijacked some planes.

Terrorism is about only attacking soft targets. These two guys were shitty terrorists.

[Big_Japan]

Which is what I think. The whole thing is pretty funny, but fucking stupid and reckless too.

I've seen this crop up quite a bit in this thread. That wouldn't work.

except it did. i'm not claiming it's a solid strategy for combating islamic extremism in the long term though


These two guys were shitty terrorists.

well, that much is true.

Doesn't your statement that no terrorist would risk attacking such a gathering totally conflict with your earlier statement that said gathering was reckless and stupid?

[Samoht]

except it did.

once. you have the exact attitude we need to avoid. it's not a good idea to use civilians as bait. someone is going to get hurt.

[Grimjaw]

listen you fuckface, this is AMERICA. You're not allowed to shoot people just because they drew a comic that offends you. even if they drew it to offend you. Now go back to your mosque in Mecca

[Samoht]

why don't you quit pretending this is about freedom of speech to you? if you want to see muslims die, why don't you just attack them? quit being a pussy and waiting for them to attack you.

[Rararboker]

Who is this Samoht guy?

Either he is a moderately skilled troll or someone with "special needs". Either way, he seems incapable of understanding how America works.

[entruil]

all that ... hurts in many kind of ways... too bad everything we hear is distorted....

[entruil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeDqEV1ADD4

[Big_Japan]

why don't you quit pretending this is about freedom of speech to you? if you want to see muslims die, why don't you just attack them? quit being a pussy and waiting for them to attack you.

i literally don't have any prejudice against muslims. In fact much of the total war they wage on their side of the world is pretty well justified in light of the judaic boot on their neck.

But I'm more than happy to see anyone who's willing to be the initial escalator of violence removed from being able to bring that violence to me, as would be anyone who cares for their safety

[leewong]

why don't you quit pretending this is about freedom of speech to you? if you want to see muslims die, why don't you just attack them? quit being a pussy and waiting for them to attack you.

No one here is arguing for the eradication of all Muslims. Havent seen it once mentioned or even hinted at. Quit being dense and sensationalistic.

Here are some of the finer points in case you missed them:
1. Being offended doesnt give a person the right to be violent or commit murder.
2. Shooting into a crowd might get you killed.
3. Expression of free speech by the general public or artists is not a hate crime. Three men beating up a man for being gay is a hate crime. A boss that refuses to promote or hire black people is a hate crime. OFFENDING SOMEONE IS NOT.
4. You have a higher chance of winning the lottery than a terrorist killing you. Quit being a coward.
5. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants - Thomas Jefferson

Lol, and you worried more events like this might happen to "lure in terrorist". At which, point do you draw the line and refuse to do anything which might offend Muslims? Is having an atheist convention too offensive? Apostasy gets the death sentence according to Sharia law. How about burkas? Not wearing those is pretty offensive too, right?

Fuck Muhammad right in the ass. Fuck you for suggesting I should give up my liberties for the illusion of peace.

[Samoht]

You're a moran. The American Freedom Defense Initiative wasn't there to practice free speech. It was an anti-Muslim rally. Quit chasing red herrings and trying to confuse people.

[Samoht]

Nobody is advocating against free speech. Nobody is advocating for Muslim rights. To continue bringing them up is a weak straw man that does not address the issue that an anti-Muslim hate group has successfully lured Muslim extremists to violently assault them so that police officers working with the group could kill them in justifiable homicide. I have no problem with the way this played out, but what we do not need is people trying to copy these results. Please do not not innocent civilians as bait against terrorists. We do not need bystanders killed if there's another attack at future hate rallies.

And do not try to compare the American Freedom Defense Initiative to the founding fathers. They are not a free speech group. The do not hold these rallies to raise awareness of free speech. That would be unnecessary in our country. They are an anti-Muslim hate group with a clearly defined agenda. It would be more appropriate to compare them to simulate groups like Nazis and KKK. And like the Nazis and KKK, we do not need them spreading their vitriol in our neighborhoods and putting our civilians at risk.

[Samoht]

Phone typos suck. Someone tell this pice of shit to stop changing words.

[Swish]

http://www.theindianreporter.com/legendary_emails/2011/4th/american_flag_.gif

[Orruar]

Samoht, your entire argument is offensive to me and could cause freedom loving Americans to engage in acts of violence. If you truly believe in the crap you espouse, then you'd agree that the only right thing is for you to stop posting. Otherwise you're a hypocrite.

[Swish]

Nobody is advocating against free speech. Nobody is advocating for Muslim rights. To continue bringing them up is a weak straw man that does not address the issue that an anti-Muslim hate group has successfully lured Muslim extremists to violently assault them so that police officers working with the group could kill them in justifiable homicide.

Why would you want Muslim extremists in your country anyway? Most people can't even get a visa to work there but these guys are ok?

[Samoht]

I find it odd that the American Freedom Defense Initiative is labeled an "anti-muslim hate group" by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

The AFDI is led by Pamela Geller - a known racist. They have another name more appropriate for their cause: Stop Islamization of America. I wonder how many news outlets are using that name.

Samoht, your entire argument is offensive to me and could cause freedom loving Americans to engage in acts of violence. If you truly believe in the crap you espouse, then you'd agree that the only right thing is for you to stop posting. Otherwise you're a hypocrite.

If you want to talk about freedom, try doing it in places that actually need freedom. Go to China. Go to Russia. Hell, even the UK and Australia need help because of their heavy-handed censorship. This group was not trying to spread freedom in the USA. People in the USA are already free. They are trying to spread hate speech in the USA. They are trying to spread xenophobia and racism. We do not need those things in the modern world.

Most people can't even get a visa to work there but these guys are ok?

Trust me, we don't want people on work visas in America. And it's not because they're foreigners; it's because American corporations use them as cheap, virtually slave-like labor. The middle class is disappearing because they value their bottom line over having future customers. They steal all the resources for themselves and leave none for tomorrow, but that's a different argument.

[dafier]

Who is this Samoht guy?

Either he is a moderately skilled troll or someone with "special needs". Either way, he seems incapable of understanding how America works.

I think you are giving way too much credit. You are a true gentlemen. :)

[Samoht]

He just doesn't want to see civilians die with the blood on Pamela Geller's hands.

[Itap]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4_n8X6Srec

Look at the kitty!

[Orruar]

60 years ago, speaking out in favor of negro rights often led to violence. In Samoht's world, we would have made speaking in favor of equality a crime since those doing so clearly were provoking helpless bigots into committing violence.

[Samoht]

The two issues don't parallel. You're just introducing confusion by obfuscation.

[Samoht]

60 years ago, speaking out in favor of negro rights often led to violence. In Samoht's world, we would have made speaking in favor of equality a crime since those doing so clearly were provoking helpless bigots into committing violence.

Did you mean to compare it to the people who protested against integration? That seems like it would be more appropriate.

[dafier]

He knows how to argue and get people off topic and off point. He's not stupid, just wrong about things politically.

I agree that he 'gets people off topic', but disagree that 'He's not stupid' & 'knows how to argue'. Well...no, I am incorrect. He does know how to argue, like a 3 year old.

:)

[Ravager]

People in the USA are already free.

If you say so. There are many disenfranchised groups who would say otherwise. Freedom from oppressive groups, whether they be militants or bureaucrats, isn't something that's won and done. To say we don't need to be vigilant about protecting everyone's rights, even the rights of the hatemongers, is as ignorant as the hatemonger's bigoted messages. Just as it's their right voice their idiotic opinions, it's your right to counter their idiotic opinions with rational argument, or just ignore them. You can't be selective about whose rights you protect. That's the first step away from freedom.

[Ravager]

Nobody is advocating against free speech. Nobody is advocating for Muslim rights. To continue bringing them up is a weak straw man that does not address the issue that an anti-Muslim hate group has successfully lured Muslim extremists to violently assault them so that police officers working with the group could kill them in justifiable homicide. I have no problem with the way this played out, but what we do not need is people trying to copy these results. Please do not not innocent civilians as bait against terrorists. We do not need bystanders killed if there's another attack at future hate rallies.

Women here have the right to vote, the right to an education, to drive, to dress as they please. Maybe we should take away those rights since they might provoke an attack.

[Samoht]

If you say so. There are many disenfranchised groups who would say otherwise. Freedom from oppressive groups, whether they be militants or bureaucrats, isn't something that's won and done.

Other than the police, can you please name for me one militant group on our shores that is actively suppressing the local population? I agree that disenfranchised groups exist, and that we need to update certain laws so that they no longer unequally target those living in poverty, but that's unrelated to the situation that has occurred here.

To say we don't need to be vigilant about protecting everyone's rights, even the rights of the hatemongers, is as ignorant as the hatemonger's bigoted messages. Just as it's their right voice their idiotic opinions, it's your right to counter their idiotic opinions with rational argument, or just ignore them.

Simply voicing ones opinion is a far cry from holding a hate-filled revenge rally at an educational facility because a Muslim outreach program took place there a few months prior. Pamela Geller offered an award based on hatred, not free speech. It is her right, but we do not need more people like her exercising that right with the aim to achieve the same results. We do not need copy cats.

You can't be selective about whose rights you protect.

Who is protecting the rights of the civilians in this scenario? Innocent bystanders were not injured in the Garland incident, but if we allow the tension to scale up, it is inevitable that casualties will occur.

That's the first step away from freedom.

Violence and hatred are not synonymous with freedom. If you continue to take divisive action against your neighbor, one of you will never be free. Pamela Geller is advocating war based on the controversy that her campaign against Islam has started. If we go to war against our neighbors on her behalf, our neighbors will not be free. Freedom is for everybody. Not just white Christians.

[Samoht]

Women here have the right to vote, the right to an education, to drive, to dress as they please. Maybe we should take away those rights since they might provoke an attack.

Those do not seem like hate-filled actions to me.

[Big_Japan]

Those do not seem like hate-filled actions to me.

outlaw trolling

clearly all trolling is "hate"

[Ravager]

Other than the police, can you please name for me one militant group on our shores that is actively suppressing the local population? I agree that disenfranchised groups exist, and that we need to update certain laws so that they no longer unequally target those living in poverty, but that's unrelated to the situation that has occurred here.

Pretty sure those that attacked the rally with assault rifles can be considered militant.


Simply voicing ones opinion is a far cry from holding a hate-filled revenge rally at an educational facility because a Muslim outreach program took place there a few months prior. Pamela Geller offered an award based on hatred, not free speech. It is her right, but we do not need more people like her exercising that right with the aim to achieve the same results. We do not need copy cats.

The rally holders were well within their rights to their peaceful assembly. They did not infringe on the rights of anyone else.

Who is protecting the rights of the civilians in this scenario? Innocent bystanders were not injured in the Garland incident, but if we allow the tension to scale up, it is inevitable that casualties will occur.

The guards that were there. The police that were there.

Violence and hatred are not synonymous with freedom. If you continue to take divisive action against your neighbor, one of you will never be free. Pamela Geller is advocating war based on the controversy that her campaign against Islam has started. If we go to war against our neighbors on her behalf, our neighbors will not be free. Freedom is for everybody. Not just white Christians.

I'm not agreeing with her. But she can scream her rhetoric all day long as it's her right and not violating anyone else's rights. It's everyone's right to listen to her or not. It is nobody's right to murder people at a peaceful assembly and everyone's right to defend themselves from people who attack them, provoked or not.

These terrorists are just assholes who want to kill people. If it's not about cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, they'll find some other reason. Being scared of them does not justify taking away people's rights.

[Samoht]

Women here have the right to vote, the right to an education, to drive, to dress as they please. Maybe we should take away those rights since they might provoke an attack.

I do not agree with oppressing women. If you wish to go to Saudi Arabia and fight for their basic human rights, be my guest. Take the rest of these spineless keyboard warriors with you. I think the lot of you are all talk with no action.

[Ravager]

Those do not seem like hate-filled actions to me.

You don't have to be on the hating side of things for it to be a provocation.

[Ravager]

I do not agree with oppressing women. If you wish to go to Saudi Arabia and fight for their basic human rights, be my guest. Take the rest of these spineless keyboard warriors with you. I think the lot of you are all talk with no action.

And what are you doing? Pretty sure this is a discussion forum where we discuss and exchange opinions. Don't take it so personally that nobody agrees with your idiotic ideas. It's your right to voice them anyway.

[Samoht]

Pretty sure those that attacked the rally with assault rifles can be considered militant.

That doesn't really scream active oppression to me...

The guards that were there. The police that were there.

The same outcome cannot be guaranteed every time.

It is nobody's right to murder people at a peaceful assembly

Nobody has said it was. But we can be responsible in the future and not allow people to try to copy her rally with the intent on drawing more fire.

These terrorists are just assholes who want to kill people.

Terrorists? Is this describing Pamela Geller, the extremists that attacked at the Garland rally, or someone else? Seems ambiguous.

Being scared of them does not justify taking away people's rights.

We also have the responsibility to protect civilians from senseless violence.

[Samoht]

And what are you doing? Pretty sure this is a discussion forum where we discuss and exchange opinions. Don't take it so personally that nobody agrees with your idiotic ideas. It's your right to voice them anyway.

I'm not the one advocating for violence here... Thank you for your concern, though.

[Big_Japan]

We also have the responsibility to protect civilians from senseless violence.

Speech != violence

if ever speech and violence are equated, the elements equating them are what needs removed. not the speech.

Our Constitution guarantees this.

[GradnerLives]

That doesn't really scream active oppression to me...

:rolleyes:

The same outcome cannot be guaranteed every time.

:confused:

Nobody has said it was. But we can be responsible in the future and not allow people to try to copy her rally with the intent on drawing more fire.

:mad:

Terrorists? Is this describing Pamela Geller, the extremists that attacked at the Garland rally, or someone else? Seems ambiguous.

:rolleyes:



We also have the responsibility to protect civilians from senseless violence.

:rolleyes:

[Samoht]

Speech != violence

if ever speech and violence are equated, the elements equating them are what needs removed. not the speech.

Our Constitution guarantees this.

No it doesn't. The analogy of screaming fire in a crowded theater comes to mind. If you create violence, chaos, panic from your words, you are not protected under free speech.

[Big_Japan]

No it doesn't. The analogy of screaming fire in a crowded theater comes to mind. If you create violence, chaos, panic from your words, you are not protected under free speech.

Except that it's an absolutely awful analogy.

Expressing an unpopular opinion is not an incitement to violence or panic, and never will be.

Read this repeated-into-cliche Voltaire quote (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMF5MjzgJrM), similar by Ben Franklin (http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/140634-those-who-surrender-freedom-for-security-will-not-have-nor), or any number of other Enlightenment-era authors and really think about what you're saying when you talk about suppressing the freedom of expression for fear of violence (not even from the expressers or their allies being incited by inflammatory speech, but from their opposition). This sentiment is one of the few that can be described as truly anti-American. Shameful shit.

Do you smile broadly at Janet's monologuing face on the closed circuit TV every time TSA forces you to take off your shoes and step into the nude body scanner?

[Samoht]

Except that it's an absolutely awful analogy.

That's too bad, but it's true, and there is nothing you or I can do about it.

[Samoht]

Expressing an unpopular opinion is not an incitement to violence or panic, and never will be.

That's also not true, by the way. While they have not yet had the perfect example, the Supreme Court in their rulings on hate speech has been alluding to the fact that saying something you know will cause imminent danger will not be protected speech.

[Ezalor]

The SPLC is a politically motivated entity, and has little credibility. Hell, they listed Dr. Ben Carson, a neuro-surgeon who literally saved the lives of dying children, a "monger of hate speech" for his positions on gay marriage. Dr. Carson is wrong about gay marriage, but I seriously doubt that he is full of hate or has hate in his heart toward homosexuals

“Obamacare is really I think the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery” - Ben Carson

clearly the words of an apolitical baby-rescuing intellectual oozing with credibility :rolleyes:

[Big_Japan]

That's also not true, by the way. While they have not yet had the perfect example, the Supreme Court in their rulings on hate speech has been alluding to the fact that saying something you know will cause imminent danger will not be protected speech.

The fact that you have to allude to SC rulings designed to curb dissent that are so new to our hellish, collapsing dystopia of a "free world" that they haven't even been tested demonstrates even further your lack of dedication to the American Constitution.

[Ravager]

Nobody has said it was. But we can be responsible in the future and not allow people to try to copy her rally with the intent on drawing more fire.


This seems to be your focal point, so here are my thoughts on it:

Unless you have a way to divine the intent of a person's heart, I don't think there's benefit in limiting the rights of others just because you're afraid of what someone else might do. You cannot take away someone's rights without taking away everyone's.

[Samoht]

The fact that you have to allude to SC rulings designed to curb dissent that are so new to our hellish, collapsing dystopia of a "free world" that they haven't even been tested demonstrates even further your lack of dedication to the American Constitution.

The rulings are actually from 1942 and 1969. They just have not had any qualifying appeals reach the SCOTUS level yet.

I don't think there's benefit in limiting the rights of others just because you're afraid of what someone else might do. You cannot take away someone's rights without taking away everyone's.

Isn't that the entire premise behind incarceration?

[Ezalor]

What was being said is that he doesn't hate homosexuals or harbor ill will toward them, even if he is against gay marriage.

you mean like when Ben Carson compared gay people to pedophiles? (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/prison-sex-proves-homosexuality-choice-ben-carson-continues-his-tradition-making-absurd-anti) or when he warned that gay marriage was part of a plot by “neo-Marxists” who plan to “bring America down"” (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ben-carson-explains-how-gay-marriage-marxist-plot-impose-new-world-order) or when he said that being gay was a choice (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/prison-sex-proves-homosexuality-choice-ben-carson-continues-his-tradition-making-absurd-anti) because of prison sex? or when he argued that gay marriage threatens free speech? (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ben-carson-warns-americans-are-losing-first-amendment-rights-speak-against-marriage-equality)

you, sir, are fucking retarded

[Glenzig]

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Yikes!

[Glenzig]

“They have no right to say to me that I must change the way I think in order to accommodate what they believe,” he said. “That’s where the injustice comes from, and we have to understand that.” - Ben Carson.
Sounds way too radical to me!

[Ravager]

Isn't that the entire premise behind incarceration?

Prisoners, (at least the justly imprisoned) forfeited their rights when they violated the rights of others. Don't be dense.

[Samoht]

However, the facts speak for themselves: Dr. Carson has saved the lives of dozens of children and its on official record. As far as his credibility on Obamacare goes, he was in charge of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins, so he has more working knowledge of medical administration and healthcare costs than most.

Yeah, but has his position against gay rights earned him a spot on the "banned in the UK" list? If not, he's not even on the same level as Pamela Geller.

[Ezalor]

nothin says u hit a soft spot like a double post

yIkes

[Samoht]

Prisoners, (at least the justly imprisoned) forfeited their rights when they violated the rights of others. Don't be dense.

You made the broad, overgeneralized statement. Not me.

[Patriam1066]

Nah, ezalor is right about Carson. He may very well be the best surgeon alive, but gay people don't pose an existential threat.

Doesn't mean you can't speak out against gay marriage, just means you have to expect resistance when you employ hyperbolic talk about the impending apocalypse that will result from Adam and Steve getting married. Btw, Adam and Steve were still blowing each other before they had the right to marry... I don't get why it matters if they make it official.

[Glenzig]

nothin says u hit a soft spot like a double post

yIkes

YIYKES!!!!

[Ravager]

You made the broad, overgeneralized statement. Not me.

There was nothing broad or overgeneralized about it. You just tried to invalidate my statement with a false premise.

[Samoht]

There was nothing broad or overgeneralized about it. You just tried to invalidate my statement with a false premise.

I found out how to take away one person's rights without taking away everyone else's. I cannot take credit for the discovery, though. I think Plato is due the most respect when it comes to the modern prison system.

[Orruar]

I found out how to take away one person's rights without taking away everyone else's. I cannot take credit for the discovery, though. I think Plato is due the most respect when it comes to the modern prison system.

By your idiotic logic, we still have the right to murder since not everyone murders. We only lock up those that murder, and so everyone who isn't imprisoned still has the right to murder!

[Samoht]

By your idiotic logic, we still have the right to murder since not everyone murders. We only lock up those that murder, and so everyone who isn't imprisoned still has the right to murder!

What a stretch. Can anybody actually follow what this guy is trying to say? Are you sure that I'm the idiot?

[Orruar]

If we grant that the cartoonists are at fault for provoking violence, then we must also grant that women who show skin are at fault for provoking rapists. It's interesting to see that the backwards kind of thinking that puts women in burkas is alive and well in the land of the free, home of the brave. Blame education, parenting, whatever. At least these idiots are a minority.

Don't worry Samoht, you'll live your entire life in freedom despite the fact that if this country was full of people like you, you'd be in chains (and probably have no idea why). And all the while you'll be able to rail against your own freedom thanks to people like these that exercise their freedom of speech even when it's dangerous to do so.

[Samoht]

If we grant that the cartoonists are at fault for provoking violence

Where have I once blamed the victims? I don't think you've been following along very well at all.

[Glenzig]

Who would have thought that a thread about Muslims getting shot at a Mohamed painting rally in Texas would garner such strong opinions?

[Orruar]

Where have I once blamed the victims? I don't think you've been following along very well at all.

You haven't once blamed the victims. You've blamed them about 20 times.

[dafier]

Samoht....

LOL! Truth. He reminds me of this little 90lbs Indian (from India) guy that I work with. Funny thing is; His name is Muhammed!

Anyway....

Christian vs Muslim forever.

It will ALWAYS be like that. If you have any historical and religious education you will know what I say is true.

[Samoht]

You haven't once blamed the victims. You've blamed them about 20 times.

Oh yeah? Got any quotes?

[Samoht]

it's just post after post of petty bullshit and moving the goalposts.

Hi, below you will find an excerpt from my first post in this thread:

now i in no way support violence to retaliate against cartoons, but i can see this going too far. at some point, the extremists are going to show up with more men, more guns, and/or just plain old blowing the building up killing a lot of civilians.

Can you please show me where I have deviated from this stance, or as you phrased it, moved the goal posts?

[Champion_Standing]

Threads like this caused the end of RNF. Mods plz move to off topic and moderate like a normal thread plz.

[GradnerLives]

Oh yeah? Got any quotes?

You've referred to the practice of a satirical cartoon drawing festival as a terrorist baiting exercise multiple times.

You've outright stated that it was their goal to be shot at by extremists, rather than to get together and have a few chucks over an absurd 3rd world pretension that we have the right to not be scared of (read: what it actually was).

Hence blaming the cartoon festival attendees.

U nuts, b?

[Lune]

What the fuck who added the word extremist to my thread title?

Also, the addition of 'extremist' is technically incorrect. Views diametrically opposed to those of the West are common among Muslims.

Pew Research (2013):
Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda.
Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban.
13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/
Wenzel Strategies (2012):
58% of Muslim-Americans believe criticism of Islam or Muhammad is not protected free speech under the First Amendment.
45% believe mockers of Islam should face criminal charges (38% said they should not).
12% of Muslim-Americans believe blaspheming Islam should be punishable by death.
43% of Muslim-Americans believe people of other faiths have no right to evangelize Muslims.
32% of Muslims in America believe that Sharia should be the supreme law of the land.
http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2012/10/31/sixty-percent-of-us-muslims-reject-freedom-of-expression
ICM Poll:
40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK
20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html
Pew Research (2010):
82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers
56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/
WZB Berlin Social Science Center:
65%% of Muslims in Europe say Sharia is more important than the law of the country they live in.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/europe-islamic-fundamentalism
Pew Global (2006)
68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
http://cnsnews.com/node/53865
World Public Opinion (2009)
61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf
NOP Research:
62% percent of British Muslims say freedom of speech shouldn't be protected
1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
People Press Surveys
31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://www.people-press.org/2004/03/16/a-year-after-iraq-war/
Belgian HLN
16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail/1619036/2013/04/22/Zestien-procent-moslimjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtml
ICM Poll:
25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Poll%20Nov%2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Nov04.asp
Pew Research (2007):
26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60
Al-Jazeera (2006):
49.9% of Muslims polled support Osama bin Laden
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden
Populus Poll (2006):
16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist
GfK NOP:
28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf
NOP Research:
68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
MacDonald Laurier Institute:
62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
35% of Canadian Muslims would not repudiate al-Qaeda
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/
al-Arabiya:
36% of Arabs polled said the 9/11 attacks were morally justified; 38% disagreed; 26% Unsure
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/09/10/166274.html
Gallup:
38.6% of Muslims believe 9/11 attacks were justified (7% "fully", 6.5% "mostly", 23.1% "partially")
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/just-like-us-really
Policy Exchange:
1 in 4 Muslims in the UK have never heard of the Holocaust;
Only 34% of British Muslims believe the Holocaust ever happened.
http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVEY/Site%20Download.pdf
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf

[Samoht]

You've referred to the practice of a satirical cartoon drawing festival as a terrorist baiting exercise multiple times.

You've outright stated that it was their goal to be shot at by extremists, rather than to get together and have a few chucks over an absurd 3rd world pretension that we have the right to not be scared of (read: what it actually was).

Hence blaming the cartoon festival attendees.

U nuts, b?

That's not what I've said at all. You probably didn't quote any specific examples because you know they don't exist. Now, when it comes to people who would attend such a rally (hate mongers) vs Muslim extremists, I could see myself not caring which ones die. But I care the most about people unaffiliated with either party.

My position has always been that I do not want people copying Pamela Geller's rally with the intent on luring more extremists out. I do not want a bomb detonating at a Stop Islamization of America rally and taking out several city blocks of civilians. The more rallies that occur, the higher the probability of something tragically bad happening.

[Champion_Standing]

Like I said the only way to make 100% sure that you don't make Muslims want to kill you is to convert.

[Samoht]

Like I said the only way to make 100% sure that you don't make Muslims want to kill you is to convert.

Because they do not openly kill other Muslims?

[Ravager]

That's not what I've said at all. You probably didn't quote any specific examples because you know they don't exist. Now, when it comes to people who would attend such a rally (hate mongers) vs Muslim extremists, I could see myself not caring which ones die. But I care the most about people unaffiliated with either party.

My position has always been that I do not want people copying Pamela Geller's rally with the intent on luring more extremists out. I do not want a bomb detonating at a Stop Islamization of America rally and taking out several city blocks of civilians. The more rallies that occur, the higher the probability of something tragically bad happening.

Would you rather that tragedy happen where there's a force of emergency responders already in place ready to address such a tragedy, or would you rather it happen on a college campus or at a train station?

The people who carry out these attacks are already radicalized. A cartoon of Muhammad is not what's setting them off. They aren't just living a normal life and then hear about someone drawing a picture they don't like and only then, at that moment, decide they should kill people.

[Samoht]

A cartoon of Muhammad is not what's setting them off.

Well they did drive all the way from Phoenix to specifically target this rally. Unless you know of any other business they might have had in Texas...

[Champion_Standing]

Because they do not openly kill other Muslims?

That's a fucking stupid question. Of course they do, but tell me when a Muslim kills another Muslim what are the typical reasons?

[Ezalor]

the MOOZLIMS are coming! the MOOZLIMS are coming!

[Ravager]

Well they did drive all the way from Phoenix to specifically target this rally. Unless you know of any other business they might have had in Texas...

The point is, giving up our free speech rights is not a solution to the problem. Those assholes also tried to go to the other side of the world to kill people, unless you know of any other business they might have had there...

[GradnerLives]

Nobody is advocating against free speech. Nobody is advocating for Muslim rights. To continue bringing them up is a weak straw man that does not address the issue that an anti-Muslim hate group has successfully lured Muslim extremists to violently assault them so that police officers working with the group could kill them in justifiable homicide. I have no problem with the way this played out, but what we do not need is people trying to copy these results. Please do not not innocent civilians as bait against terrorists. We do not need bystanders killed if there's another attack at future hate rallies.

I believe you requested an exact quote?

[Samoht]

That's a fucking stupid question. Of course they do, but tell me when a Muslim kills another Muslim what are the typical reasons?

The same reasons they kill non-Muslims. But to say you're protected from Muslims for converting to Islam would be like saying you're protected from crime because you got a really dark tan.

The point is, giving up our free speech rights is not a solution to the problem. Those assholes also tried to go to the other side of the world to kill people, unless you know of any other business they might have had there...

What stopped them? Did we not give them freedom and liberty to travel as they please? I already know the answer. One of the men had all of the signs of a jihadi, but they only thing we could do to stop him was put him on the no fly list. I personally would have let him travel to Syria a long time ago because he's an American citizen, and we didn't have any other way to legally deport him.

The other was simply a depressed son of a foreign national who was not fitting in well and just needed a little something to push him over the edge... Enter the known jihadi and the perfect target.

So, if they did not have this specific target, would they have carried out an attack? Who knows. But I don't want a bunch of rednecks parading pictures around while hiding behind the cops just so they can watch more of them die. It puts too many civilians at risk.

[Samoht]

I believe you requested an exact quote?

Can you only read bolded words? The very next sentence in that quote absolves them of any blame.

[Big_Japan]

Can you only read bolded words? The very next sentence in that quote absolves them of any blame.

I have no problem with the way this played out

This is a direct absolution of blame? lol ok

[Samoht]

Shrug. I asked for a post where I blamed the victims, and he links a post where I say I have no issue with what they've done, but that I just don't want to see someone causing mass civilian casualties by trying to emulate what they've done.

[GradnerLives]

Shrug. I asked for a post where I blamed the victims, and he links a post where I say I have no issue with what they've done, but that I just don't want to see someone causing mass civilian casualties by trying to emulate what they've done.

You've outright stated that it was their goal to be shot at by extremists

an anti-Muslim hate group has successfully lured Muslim extremists to violently assault them so that police officers working with the group could kill them in justifiable homicide.

successfully lured Muslim extremists

successfully lured

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwZd3P_IEAABF66.jpg

[Samoht]

Oh, look who left out the full quote this time just so he can troll. Nice.

[GradnerLives]

Oh, look who left out the full quote this time just so he can troll. Nice.

The next sentence had you saying that you were ok with them luring muslims to shoot at them. You didn't absolve them of anything.

U nuts, b? srs q.

[Samoht]

U nuts, b? srs q.

ax2 + bx + c = 0

[GradnerLives]

ax2 + bx + c = 0

http://i.minus.com/ibvKMnG2WRNDD0.gif

[Swish]

If anyone needs a summary of the last 5-6 pages, this audio clip gives a quick rundown... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6p1Ck0ab80)

[GradnerLives]

If anyone needs a summary of the last 5-6 pages, this audio clip gives a quick rundown... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6p1Ck0ab80)

I think this one does a better job. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxkq5bHe_fA)

[Samoht]

Despite the unintelligible gibberish and unrelated basketball gif, this bitch is now demanding the government provide her with protection. Geller is quoted on Hannity last night saying that "the FBI, President Obama should provide security" to her. Which one of you is going to foot the bill?

[GradnerLives]

Despite the unintelligible gibberish and unrelated basketball gif, this bitch is now demanding the government provide her with protection. Geller is quoted on Hannity last night saying that "the FBI, President Obama should provide security" to her. Which one of you is going to foot the bill?

No one said she was completely right, we just said you're completely wrong.

Those aren't mutually exclusive opinions.




The gif was me dunking on you btw.

[Swish]

Despite the unintelligible gibberish and unrelated basketball gif, this bitch is now demanding the government provide her with protection. Geller is quoted on Hannity last night saying that "the FBI, President Obama should provide security" to her. Which one of you is going to foot the bill?

Perfect opportunity for them to take out some ISIS scumbags if they tried to strike, and I don't think they would.

It's more than just one person, its the right of free speech and muslims not accepting freedom of speech. Constantly apologizing to them for everything they get mad about only allows this shit to carry on.

[Samoht]

The gif was me dunking on you btw.

I doubt you could even reach the rim.

[Saludeen]

I'm a Muslim in Texas and I don't care if people draw Muhammad. Its not forbidden in the Qur'an and its just drawings anyway. Prohibiting drawings of Muhammad is from man made hadiths which corrupt Islam. Even if they're offensive its not like it harms us and God is Fully-Aware of what they're doing. Muslims need to learn about the streisand effect and stop caring.

[Swish]

I'm a Muslim in Texas and I don't care if people draw Muhammad. Its not forbidden in the Qur'an and its just drawings anyway. Prohibiting drawings of Muhammad is from man made hadiths which corrupt Islam. Even if they're offensive its not like it harms us and God is Fully-Aware of what they're doing. Muslims need to learn about the streisand effect and stop caring.

^^

who gets mad enough to want to kill someone if they burn an American flag? Some restraint required, that's all ;)

[Glenzig]

I love that new so GIF swish. Every time I see it all I hear in my head is,
�� Isn't she lovely? ��
�� Isn't she wonderful? ��

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Hey look, the Gestapo came in again and purged the thread of a bunch of posts, including my post that simply said "I agree with everyone disagreeing with Samhot, this is signifigant because they are people I typically don't agree with."

I'm going to have to start archiving these threads pretty soon. :rolleyes:

[Swish]

I love that new so GIF swish. Every time I see it all I hear in my head is,
�� Isn't she lovely? ��
�� Isn't she wonderful? ��

:D

[GradnerLives]

Hey look, the Gestapo came in again and purged the thread of a bunch of posts, including my post that simply said "I agree with everyone disagreeing with Samhot, this is signifigant because they are people I typically don't agree with."

I'm going to have to start archiving these threads pretty soon. :rolleyes:

#Kagagayte

[Rararboker]

I'm a Muslim in Texas and I don't care if people draw Muhammad. Its not forbidden in the Qur'an and its just drawings anyway. Prohibiting drawings of Muhammad is from man made hadiths which corrupt Islam. Even if they're offensive its not like it harms us and God is Fully-Aware of what they're doing. Muslims need to learn about the streisand effect and stop caring.


This guy gets it. Funny how Samoht has nothing to say to that....

*tinfoil hat*

[Orruar]

This guy gets it. Funny how Samoht has nothing to say to that....

*tinfoil hat*

He just cares so much about the feelings of Muslims that he doesn't dare respond. In chess, this situation is called a Zugzwang. When every possible move only worsens your position, the best move is to not move.

[andrew23]

I don't get it, if I leave a fat sack of cash on the front step, and a thief shows up to steal it knowingly off my porch. He goes to jail, hes a bad guy, no big deal.

But if a gun toting, violent, would be murderer shows up to shoot up a silly (hosting organization irrelevant) art exhibit, the artists are the bad guys?

Lets be honest, that POV is just a huge case of misguided PC because some people can't handle the fact that violence can be the right answer.

Those people are commonly referred to as female reproductive organs.

[Saludeen]

I don't get it, if I leave a fat sack of cash on the front step, and a thief shows up to steal it knowingly off my porch. He goes to jail, hes a bad guy, no big deal.

But if a gun toting, violent, would be murderer shows up to shoot up a silly (hosting organization irrelevant) art exhibit, the artists are the bad guys?

Lets be honest, that POV is just a huge case of misguided PC because some people can't handle the fact that violence can be the right answer.

Those people are commonly referred to as female reproductive organs.

I support freedom of speech, but what if you tore up American flags and hung them on your porch with cartoons mocking the troops? Do you think your house would get vandalized? The people who draw Muhammad do it just to make Muslims angry. Neither of those examples justify violent retaliation, but it would be naive not to expect it.

[Samoht]

I support freedom of speech, but what if you tore up American flags and hung them on your porch with cartoons mocking the troops? Do you think your house would get vandalized? The people who draw Muhammad do it just to make Muslims angry. Neither of those examples justify violent retaliation, but it would be naive not to expect it.


You're right, Cartman. This guy does get it. He hasn't said half of the ultra retarded shit "my free speech gives me the right to say what I want while I hide behind this gun" that the rest of you morans have.

[Samoht]

But if a gun toting, violent, would be murderer shows up to shoot up a silly (hosting organization irrelevant) art exhibit, the artists are the bad guys?

You left out the part that the "gun toting, violent, would be murderer" extremists are actually on *both* sides of this situation. That's why it's so dangerous.

[Swish]

http://melaniekillingervowell.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/bush-kisses-a-saudi-prince2-7-10.png?w=381

[Big_Japan]

You left out the part that the "gun toting, violent, would be murderer" extremists are actually on *both* sides of this situation.

[CITATION NEEDED]

[Samoht]

[CITATION NEEDED]

I'm sorry... Are you actually arguing that the Stop Islamization of America event was not defended with guns?

[Big_Japan]

I'm sorry... Are you actually arguing that the Stop Islamization of America event was not defended with guns?

you equate defense and murder

[Samoht]

I'm pretty sure that right now neither one of us knows what you're talking about.

[Big_Japan]

I'm pretty sure that right now neither one of us knows what you're talking about.

you made this post stating that would-be murderer fanatics are both parties in this Texas shooting:

"gun toting, violent, would be murderer" extremists are actually on *both* sides of this situation

i challenged it with the following:

[CITATION NEEDED]

your citation? to equate defense with murder:

I'm sorry... Are you actually arguing that the Stop Islamization of America event was not defended with guns?

you equate defense and murder



hope this helps friend

[Samoht]

So let me get this straight... You're not actually addressing the content of my post; you're just objecting to the use of a single word - a word that was clearly a quote of someone else's post, and used in the same manner in that post (manner being no parties have actually been proven to have committed murder), but you're only objecting to my use of the word and not theirs? Oh, ok.

[Champion_Standing]

Fucking nerds

[Rararboker]

Lol guy doesn't realize what a joke he is.

This is great.

[Samaritan]

I support freedom of speech, but what if you tore up American flags and hung them on your porch with cartoons mocking the troops? Do you think your house would get vandalized? The people who draw Muhammad do it just to make Muslims angry. Neither of those examples justify violent retaliation, but it would be naive not to expect it.

Perhaps.

But it would also be naïve for the person who chose to vandalize to not expect an appropriate level of response / punishment for their actions if and/or when they were caught.

[andrew23]

^ what he said, if vandalism was the response than those individuals would be handled within the boundaries and rules of that offense. But sadly they chose to bring weapons and attempt a homicide. Which puts our LEOs in the position to use lethal force. I'm not sure what your argument is. Did they think it would stir the pot when they hosted the event , probably. Does that justify attempted homicide? The real losers in this situation are the peaceful Muslims, because it's just another example of violent extremisism to add to the long list.

[andrew23]

Also if you're comparing a peace keeping officer who carries a weapon for the defense of our community, children and loved ones. Than you're an idiot and I hope your family burns in a home invasion/murder/arson to further demonstrate the need for men prepared to do violence on behalf of good people.

[rgostic]

I'm a Muslim in Texas and I don't care if people draw Muhammad. Its not forbidden in the Qur'an and its just drawings anyway. Prohibiting drawings of Muhammad is from man made hadiths which corrupt Islam. Even if they're offensive its not like it harms us and God is Fully-Aware of what they're doing. Muslims need to learn about the streisand effect and stop caring.

I support freedom of speech, but what if you tore up American flags and hung them on your porch with cartoons mocking the troops? Do you think your house would get vandalized? The people who draw Muhammad do it just to make Muslims angry. Neither of those examples justify violent retaliation, but it would be naive not to expect it.

Saludeen, you are what is right in the world.

[Big_Japan]

So let me get this straight... You're not actually addressing the content of my post; you're just objecting to the use of a single word - a word that was clearly a quote of someone else's post, and used in the same manner in that post (manner being no parties have actually been proven to have committed murder), but you're only objecting to my use of the word and not theirs? Oh, ok.

I think equating aggressive attempted murder in the name of religious fanaticism and using violence in self-defense under the same term "murder" is more than just semantics. It's an unstated major premise which, having been called out for, it would appear you can't defend.

[Samoht]

Homicide, murder, shrug. You have no substantial argument, so you're chasing tangents. You're not the first one.

[Alcures]

why don't you quit pretending this is about freedom of speech to you? if you want to see muslims die, why don't you just attack them? quit being a pussy and waiting for them to attack you.

Seems like they did that with the cartoon contest?

Samholt, Are you Muslim? Yes or No.

I'm going to make the assumption that you're not Muslim.

You're calling the two wonderful terrorists "Muslims." Do you think that upstanding normal, peaceful, Muslims really want to be associated with these jokers? Are you trying to offend Muslims by doing so? Think about what you're saying with statements like "anti-muslim." While there may be hate groups out there; killing armed, dangerous thugs like these is not "anti-muslim," it is anti-criminal. Rethink your message man, your thought process is to defend what's dumb for the sake of defending. Taking a rifle to a public gathering with malicious intent because someone drew a cartoon is laughable.

There is a real threat out there however. This is scary how close it actually is to your house wherever you are.

[Aviann]

There is a real threat out there however. This is scary how close it actually is to your house wherever you are.

To be honest, I'd only be scared if I lived in a pussified state without guns. I've seen worse than this happen with my own eyes in the fucking ghetto. These men expected people to show up trying to start shit, and they gunned them down. That's probably what's going to happen in most of the south if given the chance to. No reason to be scared when your entire population is an untrained militia because it'd take a lot more than ISIS to burn us to the ground, lol.

[Fael]

Two naive kids got killed because they had illusions of grandeur. Live by the sword , die by the sword because there is always someone bigger and badder than you, particularly when you are of Arab decent and haven't had benefit of a high protein, high growth hormone diet, and have had minimal training at best (outside of Call of Duty).

Do they even lift ?

*******

This message should not be taken as racist. I have nothing against Arabs, have enjoyed their company greatly both in America and overthere, but they are just small people in general and not very good fighters. They are an extremely gracious, hospitable, and God fearing people (those that are not trying to kill you).

[Aviann]

This message should not be taken as racist. I have nothing against Arabs, have enjoyed their company greatly both in America and overthere, but they are just small people in general and not very good fighters. They are an extremely gracious, hospitable, and God fearing people (those that are not trying to kill you).

You should check out Afghan hand-to-hand combat training. These men are some of the best in the world. Really badass shit

[Swish]

If you had to sum this thread up in a gif, what would it be?

[Big_Japan]

If you had to sum this thread up in a gif, what would it be?

http://i59.tinypic.com/2e1c6ts.gif

[Ahldagor]

If you had to sum this thread up in a gif, what would it be?

http://gifsoup.com/view/151817/muslim-fail-o.gif

[cornisthebest]

why are people still commenting on this stupid thread

[HappyTr33z]

Butthurt idiots died cause a cartoon rustled their jimmies. Good shit, good shit.

[Oleris]

http://i.imgur.com/veVpgZ3.jpg

[Saludeen]

Saludeen, you are what is right in the world.

I don't hear comments like that often, thank you rgostic.