deflate gate report

[Oleris]

https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/investigative-and-expert-reports-re-footballs-used-during-afc-championsh.pdf


https://i.imgur.com/RJ5EMIS.png


think they will suspend brady for the year and maybe strip the superbowl victory.

[Pokesan]

Don't think there's any chance of stripping the title. Brady, however, is and should be fucked in half by scorpions. A year. Precedent regarding Belichick's fate should stem from 'ignorance is not an excuse' via Sean Payton Bountygate.

[Ezalor]

kraft is a shitbag

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

The -gate suffix refers to systematic corruption or any other type of conspiracy. Someone cheating in a game of hand egg is neither.

[Pringles]

Sportsball?

[Samoht]

The -gate suffix refers to systematic corruption or any other type of conspiracy. Someone cheating in a game of hand egg is neither.

I don't think you fully understand what you're talking about how how long it has been going on. You're own definition fits this situation: The -gate suffix refers to systematic corruption

If these two have been deflating game balls on behalf of Tom Brady for the last three seasons that's both A) systematic and B) corrupt.

[Itap]

I predict Brady being suspended game 1, no stripping of title though

[Champion_Standing]

I don't think you fully understand what you're talking about how how long it has been going on. You're own definition fits this situation: The -gate suffix refers to systematic corruption

If these two have been deflating game balls on behalf of Tom Brady for the last three seasons that's both A) systematic and B) corrupt.

It would be if the entire thing wasn't obviously fixed from the get go, it's more predictable than professional wrestling.

[kaev]

It would be if the entire thing wasn't obviously fixed from the get go, it's more predictable than professional wrestling.

And yet it remains less predictable than the NBA. Everything is relative.

[Samoht]

And yet it remains less predictable than the NBA. Everything is relative.

Poor Spurs fans :(

[Synthlol]

The -gate suffix refers to systematic corruption or any other type of conspiracy. Someone cheating in a game of hand egg is neither.

Watergate was a scandal which exposed illicit activity that made the public feel betrayed. You made up your own definition for the suffix "-gate", but your definition sucks. Just because you don't care about football doesn't mean this is an inappropriate nickname.

Also, saying 'handegg' just makes you seem like whiny little bitch that got picked on as a child and lives on the internet as an adult. Football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football) is a family of sports, and referring to any of them as 'football' is appropriate within the right context.

Please continue trying to dismiss the popularity a sport loved by millions so we can laugh at you more.

[Grimjaw]

The -gate suffix refers to systematic corruption or any other type of conspiracy. Someone cheating in a game of hand egg is neither.

and so how does that relate to Antennagate (http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia/term/62034/antennagate)???

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Cry me a fucking river with your "loved by millions" plea. You know what else is loved by millions? The Kardashians.

[Synthlol]

Cry me a fucking river.

I was mocking you. Why do you think there are tears involved?

[Ezalor]

cant imagine how socially retarded this kid must be irl

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I was mocking you. Why do you think there are tears involved?

You were triggered by "hand egg". Toughen up buttercup.

[Pokesan]

http://i.imgur.com/KkQ4dWY.png

[Synthlol]

You were triggered by "hand egg". Toughen up buttercup.

Triggered? So that's your word to cope with someone making fun of you?

[Champion_Standing]

And yet it remains less predictable than the NBA. Everything is relative.

All pro sports are fixed.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Triggered? So that's your word to cope with someone making fun of you?

Cope? After being called a dudebro by multicolor haired land whales and the white knights cucked by them the past six months, being called a nerd is refreshing.

[Lisset]

Watergate was a scandal which exposed illicit activity that made the public feel betrayed. You made up your own definition for the suffix "-gate", but your definition sucks. Just because you don't care about football doesn't mean this is an inappropriate nickname.

Learn 2 history. Watergate is the hotel where much of the scandal occurred. It was a nickname given to it by the media. In other words, they made up the definition themselves. Since then, -gate has been applied to a variety of scandals in and out of government by the same media. This includes "deflate-gate" and while I don't like it either, it's just as legitimate as any other scandal to which it's been applied.

[Synthlol]

Cope? After being called a dudebro by multicolor haired land whales and the white knights cucked by them the past six months, being called a nerd is refreshing.

Sounds like you're pretty used to not being respected. Must be why you live in a fantasy world where somebody putting your ego in its place somehow means you've gotten the best of them.

Learn 2 history. Watergate is the hotel where much of the scandal occurred. It was a nickname given to it by the media. In other words, they made up the definition themselves. Since then, -gate has been applied to a variety of scandals in and out of government by the same media. This includes "deflate-gate" and while I don't like it either, it's just as legitimate as any other scandal to which it's been applied.

You've failed to state anything that contradicted my post. Just how badly were you aching to tell me I was wrong.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Sounds like you're pretty used to not being respected. Must be why you live in a fantasy world where somebody putting your ego in its place somehow means you've gotten the best of them.

> caring this much about what I think/feel.
Hate to break this to you but I live in reality where I'm shitposting and you're still triggered by the phrase "hand-egg" enough to argue about it for like five hours.

[Patriam1066]

All pro sports are fixed.

I'm staring to believe this after the last super bowl. No other way to explain Pete's play call at the end of the game. Damnit, Seahawks, yall fucking had it...

[Synthlol]

> caring this much about what I think/feel.
Hate to break this to you but I live in reality where I'm shitposting and you're still triggered by the phrase "hand-egg" enough to argue about it for like five hours.

I'm enjoying you throwing the word 'triggered' around as a desperate attempt to preserve your ego.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

your ego.

>still cares this much
Your join date belies the fact that you really should lurk more.

[Synthlol]

I love calling out losers like you and watching them scramble.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

scramble.

I don't think that word means what you think it means. Keep trying though. You're like a squirrel with a machine gun right now, keep firing and eventually you'll hit something.

[Vega]

I'm staring to believe this after the last super bowl. No other way to explain Pete's play call at the end of the game. Damnit, Seahawks, yall fucking had it...

It was the curse of Detroit. There was no way the Seahawks would escape it.

[Glenzig]

I'm staring to believe this after the last super bowl. No other way to explain Pete's play call at the end of the game. Damnit, Seahawks, yall fucking had it...

Losing side always cries that the fix was in. Winning side always denies it. But, yeah sports are very tightly controlled. These rich dudes aren't going to leave billions of dollars up to chance.

[Pokesan]

It was the curse of Detroit. There was no way the Seahawks would escape it.

darrell bevell is from detroit?

[Pokesan]

also if you think the NFL is rigged you're a bigger retard than Kagatob

[Clark]

Dirty filthy cheating scum! Texting each other about cheating. Pitiful. Tom Brady should be removed from the league or at least fire the idiot coach.

[Glenzig]

I've been a football fan for a long time. I just really honestly dont get why anyone thinks this helped the pats win the game. Also, the NFL allowed every team to have their own ball prep guys for every game. What did they think was happening?

[Synthlol]

You're like a squirrel with a machine gun right now.

Pelting you with acorns and watching you run for cover is hilarious.

[Pokesan]

I've been a football fan for a long time. I just really honestly dont get why anyone thinks this helped the pats win the game. Also, the NFL allowed every team to have their own ball prep guys for every game. What did they think was happening?

Teams handling their own balls wasn't always a thing. It happened in 2006? 2007? campaigned for by peyton manning and thomas edward patrick brady jr.

makes u think

[Glenzig]

Teams handling their own balls wasn't always a thing. It happened in 2006? 2007? campaigned for by peyton manning and thomas edward patrick brady jr.

makes u think

Yeah. But it was the nfl's call to allow it. It was pretty much a look the other way type of scenario. I'm sure Brady and Manning both abused the system. Along with all the other qb's in the league.

[Pokesan]

Yeah. But it was the nfl's call to allow it. It was pretty much a look the other way type of scenario. I'm sure Brady and Manning both abused the system. Along with all the other qb's in the league.

I don't mean to insult you by implying you're a Pats fan, but the speeding ticket defense? C'mon son!

[Glenzig]

I don't mean to insult you by implying you're a Pats fan, but the speeding ticket defense? C'mon son!

Falcons fan. Would have loved to see either team win to be honest. Both great teams.

[Pokesan]

Falcons fan. Would have loved to see either team win to be honest. Both great teams.

Matt Ryan is awesome and I wish you'd stop wasting him :D

[Patriam1066]

Cowboys fan, and I wanted the Seahawks to win all the way. The pats aren't a great team. The way they beat Baltimore was a chicken shit tactic that shouldn't even be allowed in high school games. "I know, let's line up our linemen to be eligible receivers!" No shame.

[Patriam1066]

Oh and being a cowboys fan sucks ass. They get by Detroit on that BS call only to have Murray fumble a game clinching touchdown against Green Bay lol

[katrik]

I don't know why, but I see TONS of Cowboys hate up here in the Southeast. I dunno why.

[Relbaic]

Cowboys fan, and I wanted the Seahawks to win all the way. The pats aren't a great team. The way they beat Baltimore was a chicken shit tactic that shouldn't even be allowed in high school games. "I know, let's line up our linemen to be eligible receivers!" No shame.

Why shouldn't it be allowed? Football is all about scheming and being smarter than your opponent. Don't be dumb as fuck and cover Vereen (RB I know, but I figured you'd get to this example next) when the Ref reports him as ineligible. Or cover the lineman that gets reported as eligible.

Also let's not ignore the fact that the report also stated that four of the Colts balls weren't properly inflated either.

[Doors]

They're not going to do shit to the pats or Brady outside a minor slap on the wrist. If you actually think the NFL wants the first game of the season to go on without Brady at the helm so all anyone is talking about before, during, and after the kickoff to the 2015-2016 season is deflategate and the superbowl winning team cheating yet again you don't watch much football.

[Samoht]

Why shouldn't it be allowed? Football is all about scheming and being smarter than your opponent. Don't be dumb as fuck and cover Vereen (RB I know, but I figured you'd get to this example next) when the Ref reports him as ineligible. Or cover the lineman that gets reported as eligible.

They actually did break the rules, though. When you make a declaration of an ineligible receiver as being eligible, you're supposed to give the defense time to adjust. The grace period was not enforced (either by oversight of the refs/Ravens or Patriots abusing their lack of familiarity with the rules). Once somebody did tell the Ravens the rules, the Patriots stopped doing it.

Also let's not ignore the fact that the report also stated that four of the Colts balls weren't properly inflated either.

No it doesn't...

[Oleris]

I'm guessing 4 game suspension for Brady which will be appealed down to 2 games.

[Glenzig]

Matt Ryan is awesome and I wish you'd stop wasting him :D

Yeah he got the crap beat out of him in '14. Hopefully this year will be a little better.

[Glenzig]

Cowboys fan, and I wanted the Seahawks to win all the way. The pats aren't a great team. The way they beat Baltimore was a chicken shit tactic that shouldn't even be allowed in high school games. "I know, let's line up our linemen to be eligible receivers!" No shame.

They should have just had Ray Lewis stab the receivers. I hear he's good at that.

[46290]

In the court of public opinion, this report, on the surface, looks to be very damning indeed. Until you start peeling back the layers and the entire thing falls apart. We live in America, where you are innocent until proven guilty. However, this inalienable right doesn’t seem to be afforded to the Patriots, as most of the ‘evidence’ provided is circumstantial and would never hold up in a real court.

It seems painfully obvious after an objective reviewing the ‘findings’ that the Wells firm was given a conclusion, then were told to investigate to find facts to support it. Numerous reports and leaks that came out in the weeks after the investigation started were debunked (1) or subject to multiple interpretations, indicating either a negligent lack of oversight in the investigation or, even worse, as suggested above, that the conclusion was drawn and the Wells firm was given a direction and line of questioning to follow, rather than to run the investigation as a neutral third party.

Let’s then start with an easy statement of fact, that the NFL hired the Wells firm. The league is a significant client of the Wells firm, both in terms of press coverage and billings. It then is not an unreasonable assumption that the firm would then like to keep this client. What easier way to keep a client than to provide them with a report that ‘substantiates’ the claims that are in the league’s best interest?

The whole thing started based on a claim from the Colts that the Patriots were allegedly cheating by using less air in the balls, agreed? What does it say about the culture of the league and the NFL as an organization, that, prior to the game, the game officials, the Patriots organization, or league officials were notified of this prior to the game? This more than suggests that the league cooperated with the Colts in a sting operation. The Wells report buried this issue on page 46 in a footnote.

Overall, and now I’m going to start inserting opinion, I think the whole investigation is a witch hunt designed to tarnish the legacy of the greatest quarterback, coach, and organization in NFL history, based purely on jealousy and spite out of their continued and long term success.

Go Pats. Fuck the haters, we’re on to Green Bay.

PS. I’ll end by adding my own footnote, that the scientific agency hired by the Wells firm, Exponent, also concluded that second-hand smoke doesn’t cause cancer, and has often times reached questionable conclusions for their large clients. (2)

PPS. Fuck the Jets, they cheat more than the Patriots. (3) (4)

1. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/…/finally-the-halftim…/
2. http://articles.latimes.com/…/la-fi-toyota-exponent18-2010f…
3. http://yourteamcheats.com/NYJ
4. http://yourteamcheats.com/NE

[Alarti0001]

In the court of public opinion, this report, on the surface, looks to be very damning indeed. Until you start peeling back the layers and the entire thing falls apart. We live in America, where you are innocent until proven guilty. However, this inalienable right doesn’t seem to be afforded to the Patriots, as most of the ‘evidence’ provided is circumstantial and would never hold up in a real court.

It seems painfully obvious after an objective reviewing the ‘findings’ that the Wells firm was given a conclusion, then were told to investigate to find facts to support it. Numerous reports and leaks that came out in the weeks after the investigation started were debunked (1) or subject to multiple interpretations, indicating either a negligent lack of oversight in the investigation or, even worse, as suggested above, that the conclusion was drawn and the Wells firm was given a direction and line of questioning to follow, rather than to run the investigation as a neutral third party.

Let’s then start with an easy statement of fact, that the NFL hired the Wells firm. The league is a significant client of the Wells firm, both in terms of press coverage and billings. It then is not an unreasonable assumption that the firm would then like to keep this client. What easier way to keep a client than to provide them with a report that ‘substantiates’ the claims that are in the league’s best interest?

The whole thing started based on a claim from the Colts that the Patriots were allegedly cheating by using less air in the balls, agreed? What does it say about the culture of the league and the NFL as an organization, that, prior to the game, the game officials, the Patriots organization, or league officials were notified of this prior to the game? This more than suggests that the league cooperated with the Colts in a sting operation. The Wells report buried this issue on page 46 in a footnote.

Overall, and now I’m going to start inserting opinion, I think the whole investigation is a witch hunt designed to tarnish the legacy of the greatest quarterback, coach, and organization in NFL history, based purely on jealousy and spite out of their continued and long term success.

Go Pats. Fuck the haters, we’re on to Green Bay.

PS. I’ll end by adding my own footnote, that the scientific agency hired by the Wells firm, Exponent, also concluded that second-hand smoke doesn’t cause cancer, and has often times reached questionable conclusions for their large clients. (2)

PPS. Fuck the Jets, they cheat more than the Patriots. (3) (4)



You are innocent until proven guilty when it comes to the government being able to take away your freedom. Not for a company to take some money or suspend you to protect your image.

Also in a legal trial Brady wouldn't have been allowed to deny releasing his text message evidence.

As to your scientific libel. Basic physics dictate that those balls wouldn't have deflated to the range they were tested in without 50+ degree drop in temperature. You can't change this fact.

[Samoht]

In the court of public opinion, this report, on the surface, looks to be very damning indeed. Until you start peeling back the layers and the entire thing falls apart. We live in America, where you are innocent until proven guilty. However, this inalienable right doesn’t seem to be afforded to the Patriots, as most of the ‘evidence’ provided is circumstantial and would never hold up in a real court.

This isn't a criminal case. Presumption of innocence is irrelevant. But we do have some pretty damning evidence. McNally stole the game balls from the officials locker room and was filmed taking them into a bathroom. Less than an hour later, the balls were measured again, and they had been significantly deflated. Following the chain of possession, that time in the bathroom was the most opportune moment. Then you have the text messages where McNally implicates himself as the deflator. And he's clearly receiving his directives from Jatremski. It's only implied that they come from Brady, and that's hearsay, but if it can be proven that Brady provided McNally with benefits and favors, then that might be enough for NFL sanctions for Brady. McNally is out for life. Jatremski maybe, too. Will have to differ to Goodell on Brady's punishment, but he could be out of the hall (https://coub.com/view/4uul2).

[Samoht]

As to your scientific libel. Basic physics dictate that those balls wouldn't have deflated to the range they were tested in without 50+ degree drop in temperature. You can't change this fact.

It wasn't even cold that day.

[Alarti0001]

It wasn't even cold that day.

exactly the point... tampering is clear... and there isn't a way that a QB would not detect a difference between a properly inflated ball and one that wasn't (unless of course he's been using deflated balls for a long while now)

[Samoht]

exactly the point... tampering is clear... and there isn't a way that a QB would not detect a difference between a properly inflated ball and one that wasn't (unless of course he's been using deflated balls for a long while now)

The report implies several times these two have been working this scam for at least a few years.

[Grobb 1999]

Da ban hammer, Brady is about to feel it

[Oleris]

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/05/07/tom-brady-suspension-deflategate/

[Glenzig]

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/05/07/tom-brady-suspension-deflategate/

And it could result in a suspension “that could span up to one season,” according to the Miami Herald.

[Barkingturtle]

I expect a fine but I think any suspension is unlikely. I mean, the report dubbed him "probably generally aware" -- Brady retains plausible deniability. More importantly, the league office doesn't want this story rolling over into next season.

Seriously, it's not like Tom did anything truly harmful. It's not as if he smoked a joint or something.

[Samoht]

I expect a fine but I think any suspension is unlikely. I mean, the report dubbed him "probably generally aware" -- Brady retains plausible deniability. More importantly, the league office doesn't want this story rolling over into next season.

I'll admit, I don't read many reports from civil court, but apparently they're phrased in the nicest way possible. Sure, if you interpret it as a layman, "probably generally aware" doesn't sound so bad. But if you read it as a civil lawyer (like the person that wrote the report), it's a pretty strong indictment against Tom Brady.

Seriously, it's not like Tom did anything truly harmful. It's not as if he smoked a joint or something.

Yeah, because habitual cheating isn't harmful to the sport at all.

[Glenzig]

I expect a fine but I think any suspension is unlikely. I mean, the report dubbed him "probably generally aware" -- Brady retains plausible deniability. More importantly, the league office doesn't want this story rolling over into next season.

Seriously, it's not like Tom did anything truly harmful. It's not as if he smoked a joint or something.

No. Wrong! This is a big time huge deal bro! You think this is a game?
I hope he serves time for this!

[Relbaic]

From Robert Kraft:

"What is not highlighted in the text of the report is that three of the Colts' four footballs measured by at least one official were under the required psi level."

From Aaron Rodgers:

“‘I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it,'” Simms said Rodgers told them before the game."

Where's the outrage over these? If the Patriots and Brady are guilty, so be it. It'll suck and I'll be annoyed with my team, but this definitely looks like a witch hunt.

[Glenzig]

From Robert Kraft:

"What is not highlighted in the text of the report is that three of the Colts' four footballs measured by at least one official were under the required psi level."

From Aaron Rodgers:

“‘I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it,'” Simms said Rodgers told them before the game."

Where's the outrage over these? If the Patriots and Brady are guilty, so be it. It'll suck and I'll be annoyed with my team, but this definitely looks like a witch hunt.

They should all be chemically castrated. End of story.

[Alarti0001]

The report implies several times these two have been working this scam for at least a few years.

The difference in fumble ratio between Pats #1 a the #2 team Ravens? is huge also.

[Alarti0001]

I'll admit, I don't read many reports from civil court, but apparently they're phrased in the nicest way possible. Sure, if you interpret it as a layman, "probably generally aware" doesn't sound so bad. But if you read it as a civil lawyer (like the person that wrote the report), it's a pretty strong indictment against Tom Brady.



Yeah, because habitual cheating isn't harmful to the sport at all.

The phrasing is used to establish guilt in a civil court generally. Enough for a civil court not enough for a criminal court.

[Pokesan]

From Robert Kraft:

"What is not highlighted in the text of the report is that three of the Colts' four footballs measured by at least one official were under the required psi level."

From Aaron Rodgers:

“‘I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it,'” Simms said Rodgers told them before the game."

Where's the outrage over these? If the Patriots and Brady are guilty, so be it. It'll suck and I'll be annoyed with my team, but this definitely looks like a witch hunt.

Is there a difference between inflating the balls before official measurement and deflating them after official measurement?

[Samoht]

From Robert Kraft:

"What is not highlighted in the text of the report is that three of the Colts' four footballs measured by at least one official were under the required psi level."

Of course the Patriots owner is going to lie about what's in the report. Go to page 8 (https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/investigative-and-expert-reports-re-footballs-used-during-afc-championsh.pdf). What he actually means to say is that after testing the first time, they tested a little lighter the second time. You've got to let a little bit of air out every time you test a ball, so come to your own conclusion.

From Aaron Rodgers:

“‘I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it,'” Simms said Rodgers told them before the game."

There's a huge difference between submitting the balls to the officials at 14psi and having the officials deflate the balls to 13.5psi and what the Patriots have done. Let me know when Aaron Rodgers has his ball boy steal the game balls after they've been turned over to the officials and then sneak them into the bathroom to add more air.

[Glenzig]

Of course the Patriots owner is going to lie about what's in the report. Go to page 8 (https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/investigative-and-expert-reports-re-footballs-used-during-afc-championsh.pdf). What he actually means to say is that after testing the first time, they tested a little lighter the second time. You've got to let a little bit of air out every time you test a ball, so come to your own conclusion.



There's a huge difference between submitting the balls to the officials at 14psi and having the officials deflate the balls to 13.5psi and what the Patriots have done. Let me know when Aaron Rodgers has his ball boy steal the game balls after they've been turned over to the officials and then sneak them into the bathroom to add more air.

But...its probably possible that he has based on this quote. Maybe? Close enough.

[Samoht]

But...its probably possible that he has based on this quote. Maybe? Close enough.

Prove it.

[Glenzig]

Prove it.

Dont have to. Its probably probable. Good enough for Brady. Good enough for everyone else right?

[Pokesan]

Dont have to. Its probably probable. Good enough for Brady. Good enough for everyone else right?

The phrase 'more than probable' is lawyer speak for 'this guy guilty as shit'

Stop trolling

[Pokesan]

The phrase 'more than probable' is lawyer speak for 'this guy guilty as shit'

Stop trolling

'More probable than not', oops

[Glenzig]

The phrase 'more than probable' is lawyer speak for 'this guy guilty as shit'

Stop trolling

You kiddin? This whole thing is a troll.

[Ezalor]

how is this 8 pages

the patriots being cheating pieces of shit is a life certainty like death and taxes or the sun rising in the east

[Barkingturtle]

The phrasing is used to establish guilt in a civil court generally. Enough for a civil court not enough for a criminal court.

Of course, Brady's discipline won't be decided in a civil court. It will be decided by the league -- a private enterprise which is interested solely in profit.

The ambiguous phrasing gives the league an out. They can fine Brady to maintain the appearance they give a shit about the game's integrity, while refusing to suspend him for lack of hard evidence. They can kill this story before the end of May. That's what this report is about, dudes.

This a league that only just began testing players for HGH. You think they're going to suspend their golden boy for "probably" knowing his subordinates were doing wrong?

[Glenzig]

Of course, Brady's discipline won't be decided in a civil court. It will be decided by the league -- a private enterprise which is interested solely in profit.

The ambiguous phrasing gives the league an out. They can fine Brady to maintain the appearance they give a shit about the game's integrity, while refusing to suspend him for lack of hard evidence. They can kill this story before the end of May. That's what this report is about, dudes.

This a league that only just began testing players for HGH. You think they're going to suspend their golden boy for "probably" knowing his subordinates were doing wrong?

Yeah how many players are going to be playing through their 5th season of appeals on PED violations this year? You think the NFL really cares about this stuff? They're on top in a big way right now. They don't care about steroids, concussions, spousal abuse, or even homicides. But they better get those dirty Patriots with their flat footballs!

[Pokesan]

How many is it Glenzig? The 5th season PED violation thing.

You seem to know these things, how many players are in that situation?

[Glenzig]

How many is it Glenzig? The 5th season PED violation thing.

You seem to know these things, how many players are in that situation?

A lot.

[Alarti0001]

Prove it.

Imitation is the highest form of flattery. I accept your compliment.

[RevengeofGio]

I rubbed my hands together and let out an evil laugh when I read the report.

PS - that gamer gate guy is a mega douche.

[Lojik]

Every nfl team cheats, it's just people question everything the pats do cause they have been the best team in the league over the last 15 years, and they're sick of talking about the patriots winning. Can you imagine playing a pickup basketball game and some guy crying foul because the ball was slightly under inflated? I swear this whole scandal is straight out of some rejected Will Ferrell sports movie

[Samoht]

people question everything the pats do cause they have been the best team in the league over the last 15 years, and they're sick of talking about the patriots winning.

Or maybe, just maybe, the Patriots are the most winningest team because of their willingness to cheat.

[Glenzig]

Or maybe, just maybe, the Patriots are the most winningest team because of their willingness to cheat.

So all the teams that cheat and bend the rules to the point of breaking them are really super successful? By my count there are 32 teams currently that you can be sure would fit the description of cheaters if you were to look into their organizational practices etc. Lets be real about it. Everyone is cheating at least a little bit. I would consider a few lbs of ball pressure a very little bit. Maybe if the Pats are so horribly corrupt as everyone wants to imply based on the flimsy report, they would have something a bit more serious charged against them. Like paying off refs, or running a cash for injuries program, or something that actually directly impacted a game. 2 lbs low on the ball pressure? Really? You think that's worthy of a season long ban and stripping a title? Get real.

[Samoht]

So all the teams that cheat and bend the rules to the point of breaking them are really super successful? By my count there are 32 teams currently that you can be sure would fit the description of cheaters if you were to look into their organizational practices etc. Lets be real about it. Everyone is cheating at least a little bit. I would consider a few lbs of ball pressure a very little bit.

I'd like to know more about these other cheaters. Please, fill me in.

Maybe if the Pats are so horribly corrupt as everyone wants to imply based on the flimsy report

Report seems pretty solid to me. Plus this is the second high profile cheating scandal that they've been found guilty of since Tom Brady joined the team. You don't think he had much success passing against defenses when he knew what coverages they were in before the snap, do you?

2 lbs low on the ball pressure?

They did something against the rules to put themselves at an advantage. You can continue to try to marginalize that or you can accept that they cheated.

[Glenzig]

Its also against league rules to wear certain brands of shoes, or to leave your shirt untucked, or to leave your socks down, or for a coach to walk onto the field of play during regulation. How many superbowl titles should we retroactively strip for the horribly egregious violations of NFL rules?

[Samoht]

I'm pretty sure players and teams are appropriately sanctioned when those kinds of infractions occur. This situation will be no different.

[Samoht]

Imitation is the highest form of flattery. I accept your compliment.

Can you please do me a favor and talk to whomever it was you begged to get your account back and ask them to add a string of zeros to the end of my forum name? There are too many total zeros in TMO, but ten or eleven total zeros should do the trick for the forums. Thanks.

[Alarti0001]

Can you please do me a favor and talk to whomever it was you begged to get your account back and ask them to add a string of zeros to the end of my forum name? There are too many total zeros in TMO, but ten or eleven total zeros should do the trick for the forums. Thanks.

Pssh if you want to be like me you have to put in the work.

[fishingme]

Football is like playing a game of hot potato, the end zone is the kitchen sink

[fishingme]

At any rate, i'd question where the balls were, if they were inside a room prior to the game, 80 degrees to a drop of whatever temperature outside. Other than that, effusion could be likely. I don't follow sports because, i mean really, watching a bunch of men in tights hop on top of eachother, it's not my thing.

[kaev]

At any rate, i'd question where the balls were, if they were inside a room prior to the game, 80 degrees to a drop of whatever temperature outside. Other than that, effusion could be likely. I don't follow sports because, i mean really, watching a bunch of men in tights hop on top of eachother, it's not my thing.

The problem is they create all these absurdly uninteresting charades around the hopping on top of each other part. Seriously, guys, ditch the helmets & armor and just get to the hopping on top of each other in tights bit, k? Hell, ditch the tights and gender exclusivity too while you're at it.

[Xzerion]

I'd like to know more about these other cheaters. Please, fill me in .


http://yourteamcheats.com

[Nirgon]

get that bitch out of your sig we are tired of it you know who you are run on sentence

[Samoht]

http://yourteamcheats.com

A lot of things listed on this site are clearly not related to cheating. It seems like a bunch of National Inquirer type bullshit. Got anything actually substantial?

[Glenzig]

A lot of things listed on this site are clearly not related to cheating. It seems like a bunch of National Inquirer type bullshit. Got anything actually substantial?


They did something against the rules to put themselves at an advantage. You can continue to try to marginalize that or you can accept that they cheated.

[Samoht]

^ clearly did not read allegations from the site. Every team has things listed as "TEAM: All 32 NFL Teams" whether they've ever been formally accused of them or not. Some teams have "NFL-wide" scandals listed as individual infractions and then it says that they were not guilty. Why is this shit even listed if they're not guilty. Site has zero credibility.

[Samoht]

Also, there's a huge difference between an NFL authored report indicating that you're cheating vs some third party website that cites TMZ as their source...

[Glenzig]

Um. All of the reports I read about the team I root for, the Falcons, were substantiated through documents showing that they were fined and or suspended for the infraction. Plus I already knew about them anyway. They all happened. A lot of them were worse than a slightly deflated ball. Nothing major was made about it. No one took a year suspension for piping in crowd noise during games even though the team owner Arthur Blank fully admitted that they did it.
Im not implying that deflating the game balls is against the rules. What I'm saying is that it isn't something that you should eat a year suspension and a title strip for. Fine him. Suspend him a game or two and move on.

[Samoht]

In March of 2015, the NFL punished the Falcons, fining them $350,000, stripping them of their fifth-round draft pick in the 2016 draft and suspending team president Rich McKay for at least 3-months from the NFL's competition committee.

The league also said Roddy White -- the team's former director of event marketing, not the four-time Pro Bowl wide receiver -- was directly responsible for the violation and would have been suspended without pay for the first eight weeks of the 2015 regular season had he still been with the club. The Falcons fired him.

So keeping in line with this, the Patriots should lose a draft pick, pay a fine, and have Tom Brady miss half the season. Unless the Patriots fire him (lol).

But only if they confess. If they continue to argue against blame, sanctions will certainly be more severe.

[Glenzig]

So keeping in line with this, the Patriots should lose a draft pick, pay a fine, and have Tom Brady miss half the season. Unless the Patriots fire him (lol).

No. Where are you getting that from? No one missed half a season. Three months doesn't mean half a season. Basically he got an extended vacation during the off season. Like I said, fine the team, suspend Brady for a game or two, and move on.

[Samoht]

I quoted this before:

Roddy White ... was directly responsible for the violation and would have been suspended without pay for the first eight weeks of the 2015 regular season had he still been with the club.

8 weeks = half a season, no? But once again, the Falcons pleaded guilty. Patriots won't be nearly as honorable after getting caught.

[Glenzig]

8 weeks = half a season, no? But once again, the Falcons pleaded guilty. Patriots won't be nearly as honorable after getting caught.

Right. So the guys that deflated the balls will get suspended is what your saying. And Brady and the rest of the org will get a slap on the wrist fine and a suspension that is absolutely meaningless. If your keeping in line with that report,lets say, the first two preseason games.

[Samoht]

Yeah, no. McNally didn't ask for the balls to be deflated. Jatremski didn't ask for the balls to be deflated. The balls didn't ask for themselves to be deflated. Just like White didn't hook up the speakers himself and would have received an 8 week suspension, Brady will still have a significant sanction as long as he can proceed with grace. He won't be able to, so it's going to be even worse.

[Glenzig]

I'm not sure you actually know how to read.

[Samoht]

Yeah, your argument doesn't hold water, so you resort to ad hominem attacks. Good call. Why did they even move this thread out of RNF?

Quit trying to compare punishment of a team that pleaded guilty and got a lighter sentence with a team that insists on innocence even after they have film of the guy taking the balls in the bathroom after stealing them from the officials locker room and cell phone records where he calls himself the "deflator."

McNally might have been the one who did the actual deflating, but they have proof of him accepting "gifts" from Tom Brady for doing it. Just like White was directly responsible for the noise, Tom Brady is directly responsible for the deflating. His punishment will be appropriately similar.

[Glenzig]

Yeah, your argument doesn't hold water, so you resort to ad hominem attacks. Good call. Why did they even move this thread out of RNF?

Quit trying to compare punishment of a team that pleaded guilty and got a lighter sentence with a team that insists on innocence even after they have film of the guy taking the balls in the bathroom after stealing them from the officials locker room and cell phone records where he calls himself the "deflator."

McNally might have been the one who did the actual deflating, but they have proof of him accepting "gifts" from Tom Brady for doing it. Just like White was directly responsible for the noise, Tom Brady is directly responsible for the deflating. His punishment will be appropriately similar.

So you think that White made the call to pipe in the noise? Or maybe it was Jim McCay that actually made the call to do it and White is the one who carried it out? Get what I'm saying? The person who actually, physically broke the rule is the one who would have eaten the suspension but ultimately got fired. Its called a scapegoat. The person who asked him to do it got a meaningless suspension, the team lost a meaningless draft pick and got an almost insignificant fine. That's the precedent that you can draw from that example. Whether or not they admitted it freely when questioned in not sure. The quote from Blank was after the fact. Its easy to be upfront after you've been caught.

[Samoht]

That's not how the term scapegoat is used at all..

[Glenzig]

That's not how the term scapegoat is used at all..

K.

[Pokesan]

yourteamcheats is a garbage website :)

http://i.imgur.com/uUvDdIQ.png

[Samoht]

According to the website you're defending, Roddy White was directly responsible for piping the noise. Roddy White was the one with the suspension pending but was fired instead. I'm not as familiar with Noisegate because despite all of their effort, the Falcons are still bad and were unable to capitalize on any supposed advantage provided by the extra noise, but if the report found that Roddy White was directly responsible, then Roddy White being punished was not a scapegoat. If you're proposing that someone else made the call and then blamed it on White despite the report would, sure, that would be a scapegoat. But I'm betting that that's not what happened because that's not what was in the report, and you should really let that tangent die because it really has nothing to do with Tom Brady.

Nowhere in the report on Deflategate does it imply that Kraft or Belichick were in on the deflating. If they were, I doubt they would let Tom Brady solely take all the blame. They stand to lose too much. They're going to try to bring up more and more pseudo-science to try to discredit the report. They're going to distance themselves from McNally and Jatremski. But the person directly responsible for the balls getting deflated was no one other than Tom Brady himself. I believe I properly paralleled that to Noisegate earlier when I said that White didn't install the speakers himself.

[Glenzig]

According to the website you're defending, Roddy White was directly responsible for piping the noise. Roddy White was the one with the suspension pending but was fired instead. I'm not as familiar with Noisegate because despite all of their effort, the Falcons are still bad and were unable to capitalize on any supposed advantage provided by the extra noise, but if the report found that Roddy White was directly responsible, then Roddy White being punished was not a scapegoat. If you're proposing that someone else made the call and then blamed it on White despite the report would, sure, that would be a scapegoat. But I'm betting that that's not what happened because that's not what was in the report, and you should really let that tangent die because it really has nothing to do with Tom Brady.

Nowhere in the report on Deflategate does it imply that Kraft or Belichick were in on the deflating. If they were, I doubt they would let Tom Brady solely take all the blame. They stand to lose too much. They're going to try to bring up more and more pseudo-science to try to discredit the report. They're going to distance themselves from McNally and Jatremski. But the person directly responsible for the balls getting deflated was no one other than Tom Brady himself. I believe I properly paralleled that to Noisegate earlier when I said that White didn't install the speakers himself.

Well you actually tried to tie the two incidents together as far as precedent for punishment. Your argument is totally off base anyway. Unless you somehow have convinced yourself that Brady was actually deflating the balls himself, then he wasn't the person directly responsible for their deflation. He would be indirectly responsible. You haven't properly paralleled the two events because you are trying to compare Brady to White. Brady would be McCay. McNally and the other dude would be white. How do you not get this?

[Glenzig]

But you're right. The Falcons are still bad.

[Samoht]

It doesn't line up that way. At all. The owner of the Falcons admitted fault and says that it's not something he would ever do. I haven't read that report. I don't know where to find that report. But I can guarantee that it does not say that he paid the guy off to increase the volume.

Do you know what the Patriots report does say? It says that Tom Brady paid the guy off to deflate the balls. That's direct responsibility. Tom Brady may not have committed the act, but he gave the order. He made the payment. That's what makes him responsible.

[Glenzig]

Investigators said “there is less direct evidence linking Brady to tampering activities” but they said his name was a “constant reference” in the text messages between McNally and Jastremski. Brady and Jastremski spoke by phone at least twice after suspicions of ball tampering became public, according to the report. The report concluded “we believe it is unlikely that an equipment assistant and a locker room attendant would deflate game balls without Brady’s knowledge and approval.”

I'm not sure what you're reading. But this doesn't sound like what you've been talking about at all. Its the most recent story I could find.

[Samoht]

Seems like the source you're reading from doesn't understand how civil reports are written.

[Glenzig]

ABC news. NFL.com says the same thing.

[Samoht]

Directly from the report, page 128:

In addition, we believe it is unlikely that an equipment assistant and a locker room attendant would deflate game balls without Brady's knowledge and approval. Based on our interviews and assessment of McNally and Jastremski, we also do not believe that they would personally and unilaterally engage in such conduct in absence of Brady's awareness and consent. Brady himself appeared to recognize during a nationally-televised interview that it was unlikely that equipment personnel or others would deflate footballs unless they believed it was what Brady wanted.

It goes on to say that Brady denied knowing the rules (he helped write them), that he didn't know McNally (he had McNally and Jastremski in the locker room to give them gifts and sign shit for them), and that he refused to cooperate with the investigation.

You're left to interpret that based on that information that Brady is lying about his involvement and trying to cover it up.

[Glenzig]

Directly from the report, page 128:



It goes on to say that Brady denied knowing the rules (he helped write them), that he didn't know McNally (he had McNally and Jastremski in the locker room to give them gifts and sign shit for them), and that he refused to cooperate with the investigation.

You're left to interpret that based on that information that Brady is lying about his involvement and trying to cover it up.

I have never said once that he didn't know what was going on. Let me say it again. He knew. He may have even told them to do it. There is no hard evidence for that, however. So, based on what I have seen happen in other cases of similar severity (not very severe at all), the guys that actually deflated the balls would be the ones that would face the harshest penalty. Brady would be lightly punished due to his "probably having knowledge" of the situation.
I personally have no skin in this game. Not my team. I'm all for punishment, but it should fit the crime. Based on past precedence, that shouldn't be anything nearly as harsh as a lot of people are saying. That's really all I'm saying.

[Grobb 1999]

he was calling the guy on Saturday at 7 in the morning, that's all I need read as guilty as f***

[Barkingturtle]

Do you know what the Patriots report does say? It says that Tom Brady paid the guy off to deflate the balls. That's direct responsibility.

That's not called direct responsibility. It's called conspiracy. Just don't want you to continue suffering that particular ignorance.

And the report says Brady paid him off with autographed items. So what? It implies nothing. That's standard procedure in every locker room. Equipment managers make dick. The collectibles supplement their meager incomes.

If I were Brady, I'd get out in front of this thing and sue the league office and the authors of the report for real damages done to my reputation.

[Grobb 1999]

That's not called direct responsibility. It's called conspiracy. Just don't want you to continue suffering that particular ignorance.

And the report says Brady paid him off with autographed items. So what? It implies nothing. That's standard procedure in every locker room. Equipment managers make dick. The collectibles supplement their meager incomes.

If I were Brady, I'd get out in front of this thing and sue the league office and the authors of the report for real damages done to my reputation.

Lol wut? Guy makes 75k easy when you ask somebody to do something wrong, you are, get this- directly responsible. That's what directly responsible means short bus

[Glenzig]

Lol wut? Guy makes 75k easy when you ask somebody to do something wrong, you are, get this- directly responsible. That's what directly responsible means short bus

Is there any evidence that Brady asked him to deflate the balls?

[Barkingturtle]

when you ask somebody to do something wrong, you are, get this- directly responsible. That's what directly responsible means short bus

You're just wrong.

For example: I could ask you to go fuck yourself, I could even bribe you with a signed shirt, but it is ultimately your decision whether or not to fulfill my request. Maybe it would be different if Tom was holding the dude's family hostage or something and demanding he deflate his balls.

[Grobb 1999]

Is there any evidence that Brady asked him to deflate the balls?

Common sense. All 3 were exchanging text mssgs, Brady won't let them look at his phone and the biggest one of all. No way on this fucking earth does-

a) Brady not notice when any carpenter can tell the difference between hammers and that's only 2 oz. (14/16/18/20) with their eyes closed ( I can)

b) those two do that on their own in the hyper OCD world of professional sports and the NFL especially when they break in each ball by hand over a period of hours

[Samoht]

Wells’ constant use of “more probable than not” in explaining Brady’s role is the standard the NFL was looking for to find him in violation of the rules. The league considers that as good as guilty and just a way of phrasing it in legal terms.

Two days ago, former Bills, Panthers and Colts GM Bill Polian, a former member of the competition committee, said on ESPN that the phrase “is the standard of proof that the NFL has used for about seven years or so that means in English: they’re guilty. . . . This is not running through a stop sign, this is not speeding five miles over the limit. This is a serious competitive violation that has to be treated as such by the league.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/myers-roger-goodell-suspend-tom-brady-deflategate-article-1.2215881

[Glenzig]

Common sense. All 3 were exchanging text mssgs, Brady won't let them look at his phone and the biggest one of all. No way on this fucking earth does-

a) Brady not notice when any carpenter can tell the difference between hammers and that's only 2 oz. (14/16/18/20) with their eyes closed ( I can)

b) those two do that on their own in the hyper OCD world of professional sports and the NFL especially when they break in each ball by hand over a period of hours

Well that's great and all. However, you would think if you were going to rally to suspend a guy for a whole season you could at least supply some evidence beyond purely circumstantial. If you're going with the guilt by association implication, then he should reasonably only be expected to get a fine.

[Samoht]

Well that's great and all. However, you would think if you were going to rally to suspend a guy for a whole season you could at least supply some evidence beyond purely circumstantial. If you're going with the guilt by association implication, then he should reasonably only be expected to get a fine.

Oh my. It's almost as if you've ignored every post in this thread not authored by yourself.

[Glenzig]

Oh my. It's almost as if you've ignored every post in this thread not authored by yourself.

Hows that?

[Samoht]

There's a lot of proof that Brady had the balls deflated, and it's not just circumstantial.

[Glenzig]

There's a lot of proof that Brady had the balls deflated, and it's not just circumstantial.

Hows that?

[Samoht]

Here, I'll link some reading material for you. Please let us know when you've caught up. (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192273)

[Glenzig]

I haven't seen any evidence in any report or any post that Brady asked anyone to deflate his balls. Heheheheheheh. Balls.

[Samoht]

It's too bad that your opinion isn't the one that matters, huh.

[Glenzig]

No it certainly isn't. But, the fact that you're relying on an opinion rather than evidence says a lot.

[Samoht]

https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/investigative-and-expert-reports-re-footballs-used-during-afc-championsh.pdf

Here's the very first thing in this post. A 243 page report filled with evidence and outlining guilt that implicates Tom Brady as the person behind the deflation. Too bad you're going to continue to conveniently ignore it because it differs from your own opinion of what happened. I guess you know better than the people that the NFL actually pays to work on this kind of stuff.

[Pokesan]

eat a billion dicks, Tom

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/597877080894918658

@AdamSchefter 36s36 seconds ago
Filed to ESPN: Tom Brady suspended four games, Pats lose 1st round pick in 2016 and a 4th in 2017, and team fined $1 million, per source:

[Pokesan]

http://i.imgur.com/Dmhxhd2.gif

[Samoht]

Patriots owner Robert Kraft advised commissioner Roger Goodell that employees John Jastremski & Jim McNally have been suspended indefinitely

John Jastremski & Jim McNally can not be reinstated without prior approval of NFL Executive Vice President Troy Vincent.

[Samoht]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEwWu8BXIAArznb.jpg:large

Patriots going to start 1-3 in 2015.

[Glenzig]

eat a billion dicks, Tom

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/597877080894918658

Ouch! Well I guess we can stop arguing about what his punishment should be and start arguing about whether or not it fit the crime.

I'll put my hat in the ring first. I'm sure Samoht will love it.

I think it was too stiff a penalty. In my opinion it sets a bad precedent for the NFL. No doubt punishment was warranted, but I personally think it was too harsh for what happened. I look forward to coaches and media bandwaggoning against other teams in the future. Its a new era in the NFL. Get beat. Claim they cheat!

[Oleris]

Rogean gonna delay velious another 4 weeks because of this.

[Samoht]

It's more appropriate to say that the Patriots are going to keep cheating and just hope they don't get caught. More sanctioned than TMO.

[Pokesan]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
They had no definitive proof against Tom Brady or #patriots. If Hillary doesn't have to produce Emails, why should Tom? Very unfair!

[MrSparkle001]

This is not nearly as big a deal as they're making it out to be.

[Oleris]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
They had no definitive proof against Tom Brady or #patriots. If Hillary doesn't have to produce Emails, why should Tom? Very unfair!

http://res.cloudinary.com/urbandictionary/image/upload/a_exif,c_fit,h_200,w_200/v1395991705/gjn81wvxqsq6yzcwubok.png

[Oleris]

https://scontent-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11049577_10152745811370163_5332543047569000316_n.j pg?oh=06210e4c0ef2ec11f631a6cada0d7213&oe=55C08AD2

[Alarti0001]

It's more appropriate to say that the Patriots are going to keep cheating and just hope they don't get caught. More sanctioned than TMO.

Prove it.

[Barkingturtle]

At worst, New England will still be 3-1 after the first four weeks and Tom Brady will have gained an extra month of rest.

This is a gift disguised as discipline. GG Pats.

[Oleris]

So, pats will get extra cap space for the games he is suspended. I wonder if they will lure some veteran QB to play, or go with their backups.

[Glenzig]

At worst, New England will still be 3-1 after the first four weeks and Tom Brady will have gained an extra month of rest.

This is a gift disguised as discipline. GG Pats.

People are also forgetting which division they play in. At 1-3 they will probably be tied for first place.

[Ahldagor]

There will be an appeal process. Brady does zero to two games. Pats punishment ends up being the fourth rounder in 2017. The NFL is too concerned with its perceived image right now to not let the thing go away (it's also people's eyeballs too).

[Pokesan]

http://www.istombradyacheater.com/

[Pokesan]

There will be an appeal process. Brady does zero to two games. Pats punishment ends up being the fourth rounder in 2017. The NFL is too concerned with its perceived image right now to not let the thing go away (it's also people's eyeballs too).

also, no - the patriots cannot appeal the fine or pick removal. brady can appeal his suspension, the other stuff is unchangeable.

[Glenzig]

There will be an appeal process. Brady does zero to two games. Pats punishment ends up being the fourth rounder in 2017. The NFL is too concerned with its perceived image right now to not let the thing go away (it's also people's eyeballs too).

Nah. The NFL doesn't really care right now as long as they are continuing to remain firmly in the spotlight. This just sets the 2015 season up to be that much more interesting from an entertainment perspective. Even if Brady sits the first four games, all anyone is going to be talking about is the Pats and what will happen when Brady returns. The ratings for his first game will be through the roof. And the NFL gets to look like they are cracking down on cheating. For them its a win win.

[Barkingturtle]

The ratings for his first game will be through the roof.

Week 6, at the Colts for the Sunday night game. Against the team that snitched him out.

Sure seems like the league knew what they were doing when they made the schedule. I mean, seems more probable than not that the league knew what they were doing.

[Patriam1066]

Week 6, at the Colts for the Sunday night game. Against the team that snitched him out.

Sure seems like the league knew what they were doing when they made the schedule. I mean, seems more probable than not that the league knew what they were doing.

Hahahahaha, nice

[Glenzig]

Week 6, at the Colts for the Sunday night game. Against the team that snitched him out.

Sure seems like the league knew what they were doing when they made the schedule. I mean, seems more probable than not that the league knew what they were doing.

Two days ago, former Bills, Panthers and Colts GM Bill Polian, a former member of the RNF community, said on the P99 forums that the phrase “is the standard of proof that the NFL has used for about seven years or so that means in English: they’re guilty. . . . This is not running through a stop sign, this is not speeding five miles over the limit. This is a serious competitive violation that has to be treated as such by the nerds posting here.”

[Ahldagor]

Nah. The NFL doesn't really care right now as long as they are continuing to remain firmly in the spotlight. This just sets the 2015 season up to be that much more interesting from an entertainment perspective. Even if Brady sits the first four games, all anyone is going to be talking about is the Pats and what will happen when Brady returns. The ratings for his first game will be through the roof. And the NFL gets to look like they are cracking down on cheating. For them its a win win.

Week 6, at the Colts for the Sunday night game. Against the team that snitched him out.

Sure seems like the league knew what they were doing when they made the schedule. I mean, seems more probable than not that the league knew what they were doing.

Hence my parentheses.

[QuantumZebra]

The -gate suffix refers to systematic corruption or any other type of conspiracy. Someone cheating in a game of hand egg is neither.

You're really serious about the whole gamergate thing aren't you?





....lol :rolleyes:

[Glenzig]

You're really serious about the whole gamergate thing aren't you?





....lol :rolleyes:

Hs entire life seems to revolve around it.

[RevengeofGio]

I don't think snitching is a term a bunch of nerds playing on p99 should be using. Red99 would be renamed Snitch 99 if it were. (And that's not even hyberbole)

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

You're really serious about the whole gamergate thing aren't you?

Listen noob.

lurk moar.

Filthy casual.

[Pokesan]

upheld. little weasel destroyed his phone too. legacy over.

[Oleris]

velious delayed 4 weeks due to pressing ceremonial reasons.

[azeth]

legacy over.

/laugh

greatest quarterback to ever play.

[Samoht]

cheatingest quarterback to ever play.

fixed that for you

[FatMice]

138 Pages over a fucking balls PSI. I wonder how many pages can be written about Bruce's balls.

[Champion_Standing]

football is for idiots and fat losers

so is EQ tho so i guess im just being redundant by posting that at all.

[Swish]

baseball is a proper sport, you could all learn a few things and watch it